Rebel News Podcast - June 13, 2019


Trudeau “is turning Canada into a clown country” — and his plastics ban proves it


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42 minutes

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Word count

6,671

Sentence count

501

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Misogyny

4

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Hate speech

23

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Justin Trudeau talks about his love for water bottle boxes, which sounds like a tongue twister by Dr. Seuss. What exactly is a water bottle box? It's a paper-like drink box water bottle sort of thing.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. We've got a fun podcast for you today.
00:00:02.880 It's Justin Trudeau talking about his love for water bottle box, water paper bottle.
00:00:08.400 I don't know. It sounds like a tongue twister by Dr. Seuss.
00:00:11.720 He's talking about water bottle boxes.
00:00:14.480 Have you ever heard of a water bottle box?
00:00:17.220 Trudeau apparently has, and I think I actually found it on Google what he's talking about.
00:00:21.280 Either that or he's still coming down from just a really big marijuana bender.
00:00:27.500 I mean, remember the guy just, is it called a bender?
00:00:30.160 Remember the guy said he still smokes pot since becoming an MP?
00:00:33.140 Why would you doubt him?
00:00:35.180 Anyways, I go through his explanation about water bottle boxes, and I give you my thoughts on that.
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00:01:01.400 All right, without further ado, here is a probably stoned Justin Trudeau talking about water bottle boxes.
00:01:09.060 You're listening to a Rebel Media Podcast.
00:01:12.320 Tonight, hey, would you like a nice, cool box of water to drink?
00:01:18.340 It's June 12th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:20.820 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:26.620 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:30.700 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:01:36.560 Did you see Justin Trudeau the other day answering a very simple question with the most spectacular answer?
00:01:48.900 It was about reducing plastics.
00:01:51.060 A pretty simple question.
00:01:52.500 It's just amazing.
00:01:53.400 Take a look.
00:01:53.800 What do you and your family do to cut back on plastics?
00:01:59.280 We have recently switched to drinking water bottles out of water, out of when we have water bottles, out of plastic, sorry, away from plastic towards paper, like drink box water bottles sort of thing.
00:02:16.540 What did he say there?
00:02:20.620 A paper-like drink box water bottle sort of thing?
00:02:23.900 Is this like Dr. Seuss or something?
00:02:26.360 I just got to show you that again, because I know that if you've been watching Trudeau's CBC State Broadcaster or most mainstream media, you didn't actually see it.
00:02:36.140 And like me, you're probably saying, what did he say?
00:02:38.080 Here, take a listen a second time.
00:02:39.400 What do you and your family do to cut back on plastics?
00:02:44.840 We have recently switched to drinking water bottles out of water, out of when we have water bottles, out of plastic, sorry, away from plastic towards paper, like drink box water bottles sort of thing.
00:03:03.740 Can we get like a breathalyzer test on that guy or something?
00:03:07.520 What exactly is a paper-like drink box water bottle sort of thing?
00:03:14.220 What's he talking about?
00:03:15.760 Is he using marijuana again?
00:03:20.440 I have been in my past a very rare user of marijuana.
00:03:26.520 Yeah.
00:03:27.580 I mean, that's one possible excuse.
00:03:29.080 He was stumbling around a fair bit that day.
00:03:32.560 I don't know if you caught this part.
00:03:33.500 I'm very pleased to announce that as early as 2021, Canada will ban harmful single-use plastics from coast to coast to coast.
00:03:51.880 Did he giggle there?
00:03:56.400 He's got the munchies, maybe? 1.00
00:03:59.100 Anyway, when he mentioned the paper-like drink box water bottle sort of thing, I don't know.
00:04:06.740 I think it was genuinely surprised by the question.
00:04:11.480 There's a pretty softball question put to him by the journalist about what he's done personally to reduce his plastic use as if plastic use is bad.
00:04:21.600 Who even thinks about that?
00:04:23.180 I think he had never thought about the question because, of course, when he's talking about taxing things or banning things or regulating things, those rules are only for the little people. 0.72
00:04:32.300 I mean, come on, this is the guy telling us all to make smarter choices about energy use and burning gasoline in our cars while he flies around in a private jet.
00:04:42.360 I think the question was actually a surprise to him because I don't think he ever, ever in his life has ever thought about, maybe I'll live a smaller life.
00:04:51.340 I mean, that's just for you and me.
00:04:52.580 And I think he stammered in his water bottle, water, whatever answer because he couldn't think of anything he's actually done ever other than a paper-like drink box water bottle sort of thing.
00:05:03.160 That's got to be a Dr. Seuss book one day.
00:05:05.960 I mean, of course, like the rest of us, he drinks water however he bloody well pleases at the moment.
00:05:12.920 And frankly, he never thinks about water bottle, straw, whatever, because it's weird to think about that.
00:05:19.560 If you spend a few minutes on Google, you can find dozens, probably hundreds of pictures of Trudeau drinking bottled water because he's always going to meetings and conferences.
00:05:30.800 And sure, sometimes there's a pitcher of water in glasses, but often there isn't.
00:05:34.820 And bottles are better in many cases because they're individual and they're sanitary and they're convenient and you don't need like a whole kitchen.
00:05:43.280 It is normal to drink bottled water.
00:05:45.300 It is abnormal to renounce bottled water, especially in the grand scheme of our industrial lifestyle.
00:05:51.660 It's extremely abnormal.
00:05:53.280 It's a lie, actually, for this jet-setting, trust-fund, pot-smoking nobody to pretend he lives a small life on anything.
00:06:02.160 In fact, our own Sheila Gunn-Reed fairly recently received an Access to Information document that shows, surprise,
00:06:08.940 Trudeau is a huge purchaser of bottled water on our dime, of course.
00:06:15.300 I guess we don't pay him enough money to buy his own bloody water.
00:06:18.780 Here, take a listen for a couple of minutes to this.
00:06:20.940 Now, in that exclusive Access to Information package, there were expensive trips to the Nespresso boutique and multiple purchases at different expensive health food stores totaling thousands of dollars.
00:06:35.700 And one expense stuck out for me back then, especially considering Trudeau once co-authored an op-ed in the Toronto Star back in 2008 titled The Case Against Bottled Water.
00:06:48.300 You see here, the Trudeau family, in just one month, according to their own expense claims, spent over $300 on bottled water.
00:06:58.020 You can see the bureaucrats have blocked out what brand they were purchasing for the Trudeaus in the submitted grocery store receipts.
00:07:05.240 But they have identified these expense claims in the summary sheet as water.
00:07:11.240 That's water bottles, friends, not, as Trudeau says, paper-like, drink box, water bottles sort of things.
00:07:18.860 Because that's just something Trudeau made up on the spot because he's a complete and total BS artist.
00:07:25.140 The Trudeaus spent $300 a month on bottled water.
00:07:28.960 The expense forms don't lie.
00:07:31.780 And then Trudeau just announced today that you and I can't use plastic forks anymore when we picnic.
00:07:38.280 Yeah.
00:07:39.400 You've got to watch that whole video.
00:07:40.620 Sheila did a great job.
00:07:42.180 $300 a month on bottled water.
00:07:44.680 You know, we buy bottled water here at the office for our staff.
00:07:48.920 We don't spend $300 a month on water.
00:07:51.500 And there's almost 20 of us here at our office.
00:07:53.480 How does Trudeau spend $300 a month for his own household?
00:07:58.860 To buy 400 half-liter bottles of water from Costco is $6.39 delivered.
00:08:09.720 That's $0.16 a bottle.
00:08:12.060 If we spend $300 a month on water, it's my math right, that's 1,800 bottles of water per month.
00:08:22.240 There's only 20 weekdays a month.
00:08:24.380 That would mean we'd go through almost 100 bottles of water a day.
00:08:29.340 We'd all have to be drinking five half-liter bottles of water a day.
00:08:35.780 I don't even think that's possible.
00:08:38.480 How does Trudeau do it with his small family?
00:08:43.780 Well, that whole paper-like drink box water bottle sort of thing, I think it actually might
00:08:48.920 be a real thing.
00:08:50.100 I didn't know this.
00:08:51.800 There's something actually called boxed water.
00:08:57.880 It's actually, as you can see, called boxed water is better.
00:09:00.520 And they sell boxes of water, and they have all these glamour shots of people drinking water
00:09:09.880 out of boxes.
00:09:11.680 Boxed water is better.
00:09:12.720 It's written right there on the carton.
00:09:14.320 So you can not only virtue signal to anyone around you what a thoughtful snob you are,
00:09:19.240 but it's obviously targeting people like Trudeau who constantly need affirmation.
00:09:24.080 They constantly need flattery, even from an inanimate object.
00:09:28.460 It's perfect for a trust fund ne'er-do-well pot smoker like Trudeau who needs his narcissism
00:09:34.940 fluffed up all the time.
00:09:36.880 Imagine actually needing to be told, buy a carton of water that you are better than others
00:09:43.260 around you.
00:09:44.020 This was made in a lab just for Trudeau.
00:09:47.680 But you have to pay for that snobbery.
00:09:50.840 I showed you that 40 half liters, or so 20 liters of water from Costco, is $6.39 delivered.
00:09:59.180 Well, the boxed water people, look at this. 0.99
00:10:02.120 They will sell you a 12-pack of one-liter bottles.
00:10:07.680 Do you see it down there at the bottom?
00:10:10.180 For $35.74 U.S.
00:10:14.740 Now, this is just water, by the way.
00:10:17.700 There's no medicine in it.
00:10:19.680 There's no vitamins.
00:10:20.920 There's no sprinkles of gold or diamonds.
00:10:25.560 It's just water.
00:10:26.720 It's not even added things.
00:10:29.300 It's not even bubbles.
00:10:31.480 It's just water in boxes.
00:10:34.380 And it's $35 U.S. for 12 liters.
00:10:39.200 That's about $46 Canadian dollars.
00:10:42.800 Oh, and shipping.
00:10:44.060 They actually ship you the water.
00:10:46.560 They ship it for miles.
00:10:48.700 They ship it.
00:10:50.980 Now, normal people get water from a tap, or like from a Costco bottle of water, whatever.
00:10:56.120 It's a convenience item.
00:10:56.840 Imagine shipping.
00:10:58.700 Not just the additional cost.
00:11:00.300 I mean, shipping 12 liters.
00:11:02.220 That's what, about 25 pounds of water?
00:11:04.720 So I can only guess the cost of the shipping.
00:11:07.080 But this is supposed to be environmental or something?
00:11:09.580 You're shipping water, a little personal shipment of water?
00:11:12.640 Ding dong, your water's here.
00:11:14.300 Oh, thanks, man.
00:11:15.140 This is $46 worth of water and $40 shipping, $100 a bottle.
00:11:19.120 Maybe that's what the Trudeaus are doing. 1.00
00:11:21.120 But let's get back to the reason we're all talking about this joke.
00:11:24.380 Because Trudeau says we have to ban what he calls single-use plastics,
00:11:29.840 like bottles for bottled water.
00:11:32.140 So he was asked what he's doing personally, and he stammered a bit.
00:11:35.820 And he said, well, I'm using boxes of water.
00:11:38.680 I think that's what he meant by all this.
00:11:41.440 Now, you know what a box is, right?
00:11:45.140 He's talking about a Tetra Pak.
00:11:46.580 You know what that is, right?
00:11:48.000 It's ubiquitous.
00:11:49.360 It's like, oh, those are Tetra Paks.
00:11:51.060 Drinking boxes for kids.
00:11:52.260 There's so many different things.
00:11:55.320 They're all made by a packaging company called Tetra Pak.
00:11:59.760 The great thing about Tetra Pak, you don't have to refrigerate them.
00:12:04.000 You can refrigerate them, but it's a wonderful packaging invention.
00:12:08.140 It's decades old, actually.
00:12:10.920 Have you ever ripped open a Tetra Pak, like a drinking box like that?
00:12:13.680 I'm sure you have.
00:12:14.320 Or even just looked at the little hole in it when you pierce it with a plastic straw?
00:12:18.680 You'll notice there's a little bit of aluminum foil in there.
00:12:22.200 You know that, right?
00:12:24.160 And you know there's plastic in the Tetra Paks, right?
00:12:26.420 I mean, if you were just to pour water in a box made of paper, you know it would leak, right?
00:12:33.280 Here, let's let the friendly people from the brilliant company Tetra Pak explain the miracle of their boxes.
00:12:40.900 Take a listen.
00:12:41.600 Each layer helps protect the food or drink inside the package in its own way.
00:12:46.660 The outermost layer of polymer protects the package from moisture.
00:12:51.980 The paperboard gives it strength and rigidity.
00:12:55.180 In our aseptic packages, a second layer of polymer glues the paper to the foil,
00:13:00.960 which in turn acts as a barrier against light and oxygen and enables induction sealing.
00:13:07.920 Finally, the inner layers of polymer protect the package from the product inside.
00:13:12.960 Yeah, now you know that the word polymer and polyethylene, you know, just like polyester,
00:13:21.000 you know that's just a very precise way of saying the word plastic, right?
00:13:25.100 You know what polymer is a plastic.
00:13:27.620 Well, here's how the snobs at the Box Water Company handle this little teeny tiny wrinkle.
00:13:33.540 They say, this is in their frequently asked questions, they say,
00:13:36.380 why do our boxes need thin aluminum and polyethylene layers?
00:13:40.740 And their answer is, the aluminum foil serves as a barrier to light, flavor, and oxygen,
00:13:47.440 which enables the contents to last for months without preservatives or refrigeration.
00:13:52.460 The polyethylene acts as a watertight barrier and helps keep our boxes shape.
00:13:57.000 Hey, guys, did you know that you need foil and plastic to keep your water for months?
00:14:05.600 What? What? What?
00:14:08.560 But they say right there, in case you didn't know,
00:14:14.700 that you need the plastic to make it waterproof.
00:14:17.580 So Trudeau's answer that he reduced his use of plastic bottles
00:14:23.080 by replacing it with his use of plastic and paper and aluminum
00:14:28.560 at nearly, what was that, $4 a liter?
00:14:32.220 Now, gasoline is $1.60, and we're all shocked by that.
00:14:35.520 Imagine paying triple $1.60 for a liter of water plus shipping.
00:14:42.060 Why are we doing all this? Why are we talking about this?
00:14:44.860 Well, it is true that in some parts of the world, there is a problem with plastic garbage.
00:14:51.860 And all of those places are in Asia.
00:14:55.140 Most of them are in China, actually.
00:14:56.560 Other places like Indonesia, too.
00:14:58.740 It's not straws that Trudeau wants to ban.
00:15:03.400 It's industrial-scale plastic from China, where we are not.
00:15:09.960 But let me read the tweet by which Trudeau launched this whole comedy.
00:15:13.480 Look what he said.
00:15:15.520 He said,
00:15:16.460 Canadians throw away 3 million tons of plastic waste every year,
00:15:21.200 15 billion plastic bags a year,
00:15:24.580 57 million straws a day.
00:15:28.840 They end up in our oceans, beaches, parks, and streets.
00:15:31.480 And this has to stop.
00:15:32.800 We owe it to our planet and to our kids.
00:15:34.780 And he's looking so thoughtful there, or stoned.
00:15:36.740 I'm not sure which.
00:15:38.580 Okay, did he catch it there?
00:15:39.660 Hang on a second.
00:15:40.140 He said 50 million straws a day.
00:15:43.520 You know what I mean?
00:15:44.240 Like a drinking straw.
00:15:46.980 You know there's only like 36 million Canadian people, right?
00:15:50.600 So he's saying that we're using about two straws a day for every man, woman, and child.
00:16:00.680 Have you used two straws today and yesterday, and will you tomorrow and every single day?
00:16:08.460 No, I don't think you have.
00:16:10.640 That is crazy.
00:16:11.940 Where did that number come from?
00:16:15.680 57 million straws a day, a year, I'd say.
00:16:18.640 I'd probably use more than two a year.
00:16:21.380 A day?
00:16:23.520 Well, it turns out he's actually citing a homemade-style activist report put together,
00:16:28.660 as you can see by the city of Vancouver.
00:16:32.300 They've got an extreme left-wing city council.
00:16:34.620 You'll recall they declared a climate emergency, blah, blah, blah.
00:16:36.740 And if you look at this homemade report, they cite 57 million plastic straws a day.
00:16:44.660 And do you see the little footnote there?
00:16:46.040 It says footnote two.
00:16:47.220 And you see at the bottom, it says, assuming the same usage rate in Canada as estimated for the U.S.
00:16:53.400 So the number 57 million is extrapolated from a U.S. number.
00:17:01.480 And do you see it says, the link there, ecocycle.org, be straw free.
00:17:06.740 Do you see that?
00:17:07.860 If you click on that, you'll come here to a website run by a kid.
00:17:17.780 By a kid.
00:17:20.200 There he is.
00:17:21.140 He's a cute kid.
00:17:22.200 He's a cute kid.
00:17:24.180 He set up this website when he was nine.
00:17:28.420 He was nine years old.
00:17:30.560 His name is Milo Kress.
00:17:32.940 Now, he's a teenager now, but he's not a scientist now.
00:17:36.700 This is a kid's story.
00:17:39.080 And this kid, who was nine when he started this, guessed that Americans use 500 million.
00:17:47.000 I'm surprised he didn't say gazillion.
00:17:48.860 He said, hey, Milo Kress, you're nine.
00:17:54.380 I got a question.
00:17:56.340 Excuse me, Milo.
00:17:57.600 Call on line one from the prime minister's office.
00:18:00.440 Prime minister, who's that?
00:18:02.120 I'm playing soccer now.
00:18:04.540 No, put down your toy truck and the prime minister's on the line.
00:18:08.000 Hi, Milo.
00:18:09.640 You're nine.
00:18:10.860 And I'm Justin Trudeau.
00:18:12.320 I have the intellectual curiosity of a nine-year-old.
00:18:14.900 So we're really going to get along.
00:18:16.280 How many straws do you think there are?
00:18:18.660 Wow, Justin, I think there's 500 gazillion.
00:18:22.060 All right, then.
00:18:23.160 Thanks, Milo.
00:18:23.920 You can go back to your toy trains now.
00:18:26.820 Now, the city of Vancouver took that number and said, well, that means Canada's proportion
00:18:31.160 would be 57 million.
00:18:32.480 I showed you the footnote.
00:18:33.720 I'm not making this up.
00:18:34.980 They took it from a nine-year-old boy.
00:18:36.600 And Trudeau repeated that.
00:18:38.020 It is a child's guess, uncorroborated by anything.
00:18:41.640 It is clearly false.
00:18:42.940 And Justin Trudeau has announced his plan to ban plastics because of what a child said
00:18:49.240 on a blog.
00:18:51.020 I swear on a Bible, that's where the number came from.
00:18:55.680 Hey, watch this just one more time because it's so funny.
00:18:58.760 What do you and your family do to cut back on plastics?
00:19:03.420 We have recently switched to drinking water bottles out of water, out of when we have water
00:19:11.300 bottles, out of a plastic, sorry, away from plastic towards paper, like drink box water
00:19:20.040 bottles sort of thing.
00:19:21.960 I think maybe Milo Kress is his new speech writer.
00:19:26.420 Just going, I mean, Gerald Butts has left a void in the organization.
00:19:30.280 And who is the deep thinking guru who is guiding Justin Trudeau so astutely through life?
00:19:37.380 I got my money on a nine-year-old boy named Milo Kress.
00:19:42.160 I don't know, just saying.
00:19:44.780 I'm sorry, that quote there about the drink water fiddle faddle bottle metal is not only
00:19:49.900 the stupidest thing I've seen, it's also the funniest thing I've ever seen.
00:19:55.740 So naturally, this hour has 22 minutes.
00:19:57.760 The official government comedians on the state broadcaster, they've done their level best
00:20:04.180 not to mention anything about it.
00:20:07.920 Yeah, it's too funny.
00:20:10.760 It's perfect for mockery.
00:20:13.040 But just like CBC News won't show you the gaffe, neither will the CBC's government comedians.
00:20:19.700 Some things are too funny to joke about.
00:20:21.700 If this level of stupidity came from anyone on the right, it would be front page in the
00:20:27.580 newspapers, top of the broadcast on the nightly news.
00:20:30.300 If Doug Ford was quoting a nine-year-old boy for science policy, if it were Donald Trump,
00:20:36.260 it would be in both the New York Times and Saturday Night Live.
00:20:40.280 But it's the world's stupidest prime minister.
00:20:43.420 And so all the journalists and comedians who work for him nod along piously and say how
00:20:48.060 much they look forward to using paper straws.
00:20:52.020 What a clown country Trudeau is turning us into.
00:20:55.260 Stay with us.
00:20:55.700 Well, when we were kids, we used to dress up sometimes as cowboys and Indians.
00:21:14.900 But if you were to go to a costume party dressed as an aboriginal person wearing a fringed leather 0.98
00:21:20.900 garment and a headdress, that would be intolerable these days.
00:21:25.100 You would be accused of cultural appropriation.
00:21:29.020 I don't know.
00:21:29.960 I don't think people who call their sports team the Red Men, as my high school team was
00:21:35.680 called, I don't think they called them that in a disparaging way.
00:21:38.320 No one names a sports team after something they don't admire.
00:21:41.740 But alas, that's out of fashion.
00:21:43.580 But what about when the missing and murdered Indigenous Women's Commission did some cultural 1.00
00:21:49.040 appropriation of their own?
00:21:50.480 When they took the word genocide that historically is only applied to massive systematic extinguishment
00:21:58.820 and ethnic cleansing like the Jewish Holocaust in the Second World War, like the Armenian Holocaust
00:22:03.300 at the hands of the Turkish Muslims.
00:22:05.620 What happens when a slow motion crime wave of aboriginal murders that the police say are overwhelmingly 0.97
00:22:15.280 committed by men in their lives, spouses, even family members?
00:22:20.760 What happens when they call that a genocide?
00:22:25.740 Is that cultural appropriation?
00:22:27.140 It's a good question.
00:22:28.120 That was a question put by our friend Barbara Kaye in a recent column of the National Post.
00:22:31.720 And she joins us now.
00:22:32.940 Barbara, great to see you again.
00:22:35.220 Thanks, Ezra.
00:22:35.920 Same here.
00:22:36.640 I want to say right off the bat that here at The Rebel, we're very sympathetic to aboriginal
00:22:40.260 people.
00:22:40.960 And I think of all the different identity groups in Canada, it's actually the one that I think
00:22:45.900 I do have certain exceptions.
00:22:48.060 I mean, I generally renounce and reject all identity politics, grievance politics.
00:22:53.280 But I do carve out, and I think I have an intellectual basis for doing so, a special care, even a duty
00:22:59.800 of care, to use a legal phrase, for aboriginal folks who were here first.
00:23:04.520 I don't know if that's the inner liberal in me, but it's just how I feel.
00:23:09.240 That said, this slow motion crime wave against aboriginal women, usually committed by, frankly, 0.65
00:23:16.320 aboriginal men committing crimes, that ain't a genocide.
00:23:19.500 And calling it a genocide doesn't make it so.
00:23:21.920 That's my view.
00:23:22.520 What do you think?
00:23:23.060 Well, I think genocide is a very important word and a very heavily freighted word, and
00:23:29.920 we should be very careful about when we apply that, because there's nothing worse.
00:23:33.280 Literally, there's no worse crime against humanity.
00:23:36.800 And I'm willing to stipulate that many aboriginal peoples have been victims of genocide.
00:23:42.380 The Spaniards and the Belgians wiped out entire populations, and they did it purposefully 1.00
00:23:46.540 and intentionally, and I'd argue perhaps what happened to Canadian aboriginal people is not
00:23:52.220 exactly a genocide.
00:23:53.380 But even if it were, you could argue that, you know, in the past, that there was a systematic
00:23:59.640 attempt to or to allow them to disappear or to, you know, get rid of them in one way or
00:24:07.180 another.
00:24:07.400 But we're talking, I was appalled because the missing and murdered indigenous women and 1.00
00:24:14.660 girls inquiry had a narrow set of parameters to work within, and that was to inquire into 1.00
00:24:22.480 this, as you put it, a crime wave.
00:24:25.120 What happened to these women? 1.00
00:24:26.540 They were killed as individuals, not as members of an ethnic group.
00:24:30.120 They were killed as individuals.
00:24:31.420 And it was a subject for law enforcement to discover and to investigate under the criminal
00:24:38.960 code.
00:24:40.100 You know, genocide is something that happens way outside of criminal codes.
00:24:43.660 It's also not something that happens to one sex or the other.
00:24:48.980 You can say that the massacre, for example, Sprenica is often referred to as a genocide, but
00:24:54.980 I would call it a massacre because it was only men. 0.72
00:24:57.520 And there's never been a genocide that was strictly for women.
00:25:02.520 That just has never happened.
00:25:03.540 So it's a bad use of the word.
00:25:05.740 You know, that's a very interesting point.
00:25:07.760 As I mentioned on the show the other day, RCMP and other police forces have cleared 88%
00:25:14.160 of the cases.
00:25:15.280 So it's not like there is a mystery.
00:25:17.720 By the way, the clearance rate for non-Aboriginal murder victims, women murder victims, is 89%.
00:25:23.760 So it's almost identical.
00:25:24.720 And I don't know, what I thought was going on there was, I thought it was political, obviously.
00:25:33.360 I thought it was rhetorical, obviously.
00:25:35.180 I thought it was cementing a grievance industry rooted in grievances.
00:25:39.760 And that's why I despair so much about it.
00:25:41.920 I believe that Aboriginal people in this country have a real problem. 1.00
00:25:45.880 The problem is economic lack of opportunity, health problems, substance abuse problems,
00:25:54.520 violence.
00:25:55.580 There is a real problem there.
00:25:57.480 But by saying, no, no, no, this is a genocide issue.
00:26:00.740 It's racism.
00:26:01.840 You're all victims because of it.
00:26:03.560 I think that arrests any possible progress because it shifts the locus of the problem
00:26:10.420 from, okay, how can we fix alcoholism on this reserve?
00:26:13.520 How can we fix a crime problem on that reserve?
00:26:16.420 It switches the blame to, I don't even know to whom, because I don't even know who theoretically
00:26:23.500 has perpetrated this genocide.
00:26:25.200 I think it's extremely unhelpful to actually solving the real problems that Aboriginal people 1.00
00:26:30.560 face, Barbara.
00:26:31.900 Well, I agree.
00:26:32.920 And that was the point of my column was to say that if you keep deflecting, I mean, I think
00:26:38.740 the fix was in for this inquiry to begin with.
00:26:41.040 You know, there were several chairs of the report who quit.
00:26:45.560 And I think one of the reasons they probably quit is because they were being told, this is
00:26:49.600 how we're going to frame this.
00:26:50.840 I think the result was known before the inquiry was done, that that was how it was going to
00:26:56.280 be framed, was that this is an example of an ongoing, that was the word they used, that
00:27:01.540 this is an example of an ongoing genocide.
00:27:04.740 That's like saying that what's happening in Germany today, the rise of anti-Semitism in
00:27:10.860 Germany today is part of an ongoing genocide.
00:27:14.400 It just isn't.
00:27:15.560 Racism does not mean genocide.
00:27:17.460 A higher crime rate from the general population does not mean a genocide.
00:27:22.680 None of these things means genocide.
00:27:24.160 But the word is being used to, as you say, to really pour on the blame, to deflect any
00:27:34.620 blame from within.
00:27:37.160 And as you say, most of these crimes were committed by members of their own communities, male members
00:27:43.180 of their own communities.
00:27:43.880 So how can a genocide, it makes no sense whatsoever.
00:27:47.820 And I think it was an overreach because many people reacted the same way I did.
00:27:51.180 And they went, hey, come on, you know, you want reconciliation.
00:27:55.420 This is not the way to get it.
00:27:56.940 Yeah.
00:27:57.200 You know, I really am interested in the fact that right at the top, you mentioned some of
00:28:01.420 the conquistadors.
00:28:03.100 I mean, I read the diary of Bernal Diaz and how he conquered so many Mesoamerican aboriginals. 0.88
00:28:11.360 Perhaps that could have been called a genocide.
00:28:13.320 Maybe the extinction of the Beotok, if I have my history right there. 0.98
00:28:19.060 Maybe that was a genocide.
00:28:20.540 I don't know.
00:28:20.960 I frankly don't know enough about it.
00:28:21.820 Well, they don't call it that.
00:28:22.860 They call it a displacement.
00:28:24.700 Well, I don't know enough to make a judgment.
00:28:27.360 But it would be one thing to say a particular discrete event that resulted in the ethnic
00:28:34.600 cleansing.
00:28:35.140 I would be open to a conversation about that, though I would say, how does that help us move
00:28:39.760 forward in 2019?
00:28:40.720 But what I think you're right when you say, what makes this unique is that Trudeau said
00:28:45.800 it is ongoing.
00:28:47.260 Trudeau is a specialist at apologizing for things in the past, especially the far past,
00:28:52.920 because it's not really an apology.
00:28:54.940 It's his way of saying, hey, guys, I want to show you how much better I am than other
00:28:59.020 people.
00:28:59.380 So it's not an ironic apology, but it's saying, by apologizing for someone else, I show you
00:29:06.380 how morally superior I am.
00:29:09.020 So I don't even take them as apologies.
00:29:10.840 I take them as virtue signals.
00:29:12.600 I think this marks a strategic departure for Trudeau because it's the first time I can ever
00:29:18.500 recall that, at least rhetorically, he includes himself as one of the blameworthy parties.
00:29:24.760 That's what happens when he says it's an ongoing genocide.
00:29:28.260 He's implying that he's part of it.
00:29:31.000 I guess he is.
00:29:33.720 To me, these are such empty words because what did he do?
00:29:37.660 What has he done personally?
00:29:39.640 You know, other genocides, you can point to the people in power and say, hey, look, Kristallnacht,
00:29:46.960 that was endorsed by the government, that was carried out by the police.
00:29:51.580 So when he says it's an ongoing genocide, who's he talking about?
00:29:55.240 Are the RCMP laying waste wholesale to communities?
00:30:00.640 It doesn't make any sense.
00:30:02.820 And by the way, the real stupidity in saying that is that it's going to have international
00:30:09.200 consequences.
00:30:10.240 Now everybody in the world is like, well, Canada, how can you talk about human rights anywhere
00:30:15.020 else in the world?
00:30:16.080 Aren't you guilty of an ongoing genocide of your own indigenous communities?
00:30:20.640 This is going to have repercussions, not to mention the word reparations will soon be
00:30:25.580 very much in the news because when you have a genocide, then you have reparations, right?
00:30:30.460 You know, that is a great point that I had not even contemplated.
00:30:33.440 I mean, there was talk about reparations in the United States for slavery.
00:30:37.980 And again, you could theoretically say, all right, if someone was deprived of their freedom
00:30:42.980 as a slave, maybe there is some compensation of reparations for their heirs.
00:30:47.120 I mean, I could see the legal case, even if it's practically or politically inappropriate.
00:30:51.240 There was a wrong done.
00:30:53.080 That was not a genocide, by the way, in the United States.
00:30:56.360 But no, of course not.
00:30:57.460 And by the way, Germany, Germany paid out huge reparations, but they paid them to the
00:31:02.160 survivors.
00:31:02.880 They didn't pay them to the descendants.
00:31:04.000 That's right.
00:31:04.900 And it was not generic.
00:31:07.240 You will absolutely see the call for reparations.
00:31:10.940 And again, I think that's hobbling the Aboriginal community because it's much easier and lazier 1.00
00:31:17.740 to say, give me reparations rather than to say, all right, how do we build a sustainable
00:31:22.400 economy on a reserve?
00:31:25.040 I want to touch on something, though, the international fact, because right now, Canada is in a quarrel
00:31:30.540 with China.
00:31:31.960 We're in a quarrel with Saudi Arabia.
00:31:34.740 We're in a quarrel with everybody under Trudeau and Freeland.
00:31:38.060 But how can we ever again raise our finger and wag it at China over Tibet, over the Xinjiang 0.62
00:31:49.700 Uyghurs. 1.00
00:31:50.460 That's the Muslim province, East Turkestan or West Turkestan.
00:31:54.680 Who are actually in concentration camps, like real concentration camps, millions of them.
00:32:02.280 And nobody over here, I think, is making as big a deal about that as we should, perhaps.
00:32:07.280 You know, I remember during the Soviet Union, before the Berlin Wall fell, there were standard
00:32:13.020 Soviet talking points.
00:32:14.380 Whenever the West would criticize the Soviet Union, Soviet propagandists would say, well,
00:32:20.160 look at your treatment of American blacks and look at your treatment. 0.63
00:32:22.860 And, you know, it would sting a little bit because it would, it would, there was a grain
00:32:28.460 of truth underneath it.
00:32:29.660 But of course, it was propaganda to divert from the Soviet Union's own malice. 0.60
00:32:33.520 I see that happening for a generation now, because when you confess to a genocide, there's no doubt
00:32:41.500 left anymore.
00:32:42.080 You confess to it.
00:32:43.480 Mm-hmm.
00:32:43.960 Yeah.
00:32:44.900 I don't know.
00:32:45.760 Let me ask you, there was, I saw there was some, I think it was the Organization of American
00:32:49.960 States, POOBA, who actually said he was now going to investigate Canada.
00:32:55.200 And Trudeau and Carolyn Bennett implied they're fine with that and they'll cooperate.
00:32:59.420 That's a whole other level when you've got foreign troublemakers coming here to poke around. 1.00
00:33:05.620 They won't go to North Korea.
00:33:06.760 They won't go to Iran.
00:33:08.000 They won't go to Venezuela.
00:33:08.840 That's right, yeah.
00:33:09.300 But now they're going to come poke around here and basically try and prosecute us.
00:33:14.900 Didn't the UN come just a few years ago and they were touring somebody, some, or was
00:33:19.600 it an NGO touring around the North and, and saying, oh, you know, this is, people are starving.
00:33:26.400 Yeah, food security.
00:33:27.740 They had, yeah, yeah, food security.
00:33:29.420 And that was a made up thing that everybody laughed at and it was so stupid, Canada, such 1.00
00:33:33.760 a large food exporter.
00:33:35.560 But, but when we confess to genocide, we, our prime minister, how can we not allow foreign 1.00
00:33:42.580 observers to come in and investigate?
00:33:44.360 How can we not?
00:33:45.940 Well, I, I, I just wonder if he was aware of all the implications.
00:33:50.080 He must have been because surely he had some advice on, on the, on the legal implications
00:33:55.600 of using that word.
00:33:56.760 I can't believe that he did not.
00:33:58.500 And he took that gamble for what, what's the real reason behind it?
00:34:02.660 Something, one of my readers wrote to me and says, oh, this is, he did this to discredit
00:34:07.620 Jody Wilson-Raybould with, with the indigenous communities.
00:34:12.640 And I'm like, gee, what kind of a trade-off is that?
00:34:16.760 I see the argument, I wouldn't say to discredit, but take the energy away to say, no, no, no.
00:34:20.620 I am so pro-Aboriginal.
00:34:22.700 I'll go so crazy far for you.
00:34:25.140 No one else would say such a crazy thing.
00:34:27.320 So you can still love me, even though I fired the first Aboriginal attorney general in Canadian 1.00
00:34:32.120 history and humiliated her and she was right and I was wrong.
00:34:36.000 But it's not going to work.
00:34:38.140 I don't think it's going to work at all.
00:34:39.380 It's not going to make the grassy-narrows protesters any happier. 0.97
00:34:42.820 By the way, I think Jody Wilson-Raybould has a real chance of winning as an independent
00:34:46.220 in Vancouver-Granville.
00:34:47.740 And I hope she does.
00:34:49.080 Yeah, I do too.
00:34:50.960 Well, listen, Barbara, it's always a pleasure to talk with you.
00:34:52.680 You are one of the bravest columnists in the, I'm going to call the National Post the
00:34:56.600 mainstream media because it is a large newspaper with a mainstream audience.
00:35:01.520 And I congratulate you.
00:35:02.380 You continue to write things that I'm just so glad you do.
00:35:06.220 And I hope you continue to have the ability to publish them widely because you're, you
00:35:12.220 are one of the few people to say things that are politically incorrect and speak when the
00:35:17.440 emperor has no clothes.
00:35:18.540 And I am just so grateful that you have that power.
00:35:21.560 Thank you.
00:35:22.100 I'm grateful that they keep letting me publish this stuff.
00:35:25.340 Yeah.
00:35:25.580 Credit to them.
00:35:26.320 Credit to them.
00:35:26.880 Yes.
00:35:27.100 Well, thank you, my friend.
00:35:27.800 And let me just give them a shout out for those who want to read Barbara's article.
00:35:31.180 I highly recommend it.
00:35:32.180 It's in the National Post.
00:35:33.700 The headline is Genocide Appropriation Makes Reconciliation Harder.
00:35:39.360 And it's just an outstanding read.
00:35:40.780 Great to see you.
00:35:41.520 And we'll keep in touch.
00:35:42.420 Thanks, Barbara.
00:35:43.420 Thank you, Ezra.
00:35:44.440 All right.
00:35:45.000 Stay with us.
00:35:45.780 More ahead on The Rebel.
00:35:57.480 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about Trudeau bringing back the hate speech
00:36:00.840 law and Andrew Scheer letting it happen.
00:36:03.520 Don writes, Andrew should be fighting tooth and nail to protect free speech.
00:36:07.620 Absolutely imperative.
00:36:09.100 Don, you're so right.
00:36:09.900 And I got to say, I mean, as you know, I was part of this battle in 2013.
00:36:13.800 I don't know if I ever mentioned it to you.
00:36:15.320 I actually met with Stephen Harper privately about this matter to try and convince him.
00:36:19.900 He had some very specific questions for me.
00:36:22.100 I did my best to answer them.
00:36:23.600 And maybe I convinced him because he did proceed to repeal Section 13.
00:36:27.340 I mean, I, one of the things I recall telling Harper back then is how unanimous, not just
00:36:34.760 conservatives, but I think the broader Canadian community is for free speech.
00:36:39.140 I think that 99% of conservatives in Canada support free speech.
00:36:45.800 Like there's no, it's not like even the carbon tax where you have a few weirdos like Michael
00:36:50.740 Chong and Patrick Brown and Preston Manning who support the carbon tax.
00:36:55.140 Like I can't even name three conservatives in Canada who support censorship.
00:36:59.560 Can you?
00:37:00.940 And even the broader community.
00:37:03.580 Yeah, they've got a bunch of grievance huckster lobbyists coming to Parliament saying censor,
00:37:07.260 censor.
00:37:07.740 But even still, most normal Canadians and even liberals of good faith and even not hyper
00:37:15.180 partisan journalists, everyone knows free speech is the way.
00:37:19.840 It's the Canadian way.
00:37:21.080 It's our Canadian values.
00:37:22.300 It's Section 1 of our Bill of Rights, Section 2 of our Charter of Rights.
00:37:26.380 This isn't hard.
00:37:29.380 This is a way that Andrew Scheer could unite the Conservative Party, throw some red meat to
00:37:35.940 the base.
00:37:36.780 And by the base, I mean 99% of the party.
00:37:39.360 And show he's not going to get pushed around by the censors.
00:37:42.040 I can't believe that he's scared away from this because what some liberal losers are saying.
00:37:47.720 Let the liberals own censorship.
00:37:49.440 They will hurt themselves on it.
00:37:52.640 Matt writes,
00:37:53.520 I'm disappointed so far in Andrew Scheer, like Mr. Rogers.
00:37:56.400 He tries to be nice to everyone and it will not succeed.
00:38:00.260 Listen, I know there's a difference between elected politics and punditry.
00:38:03.860 I'm not worried if I don't persuade 50% of the people because I'm not going to lose an election.
00:38:10.020 So I don't have the same mission as a politician, which is to get elected.
00:38:16.460 And I believe that there are some, sometimes you have to choose your battles.
00:38:21.780 But my God, this is a battle to choose.
00:38:24.080 As I just said a moment ago, this is unifying not only for the Conservative base,
00:38:28.300 it's energizing for the Conservative base.
00:38:30.540 It takes on a real concern amongst Conservatives these days that our side is being censored.
00:38:34.960 And do you really think that outside the echo chamber of Parliament's Justice Committee,
00:38:40.380 do you really think that Canadians, even new Canadians who are allegedly represented by these censor lobbies,
00:38:47.100 do you really think most people who came to Canada from the third world where they have censorship are saying,
00:38:52.240 yeah, I'm totally for eroding the freedoms that make Canada great.
00:38:57.180 Woo, I love the government making decisions for me.
00:39:00.180 No, and you know, I should tell you that in fact there are some immigrant communities to Canada
00:39:05.760 for whom the pain of censorship is especially acute because the memory is especially fresh.
00:39:12.000 I know this from any people I know from the former Soviet bloc.
00:39:18.280 That's why to this day Eastern Europe is much more vigorous about defending its freedom than the lazy Western Europe
00:39:24.180 because we're complacent in North America and Western Europe.
00:39:26.960 I put it to you that anyone who came to this country from, say, Cambodia, Vietnam, Venezuela,
00:39:35.680 do you think they like the idea of government censorship?
00:39:37.640 So I think Andrew Scheer thinks, oh, it's all the cool kids are for censorship.
00:39:41.760 Yeah, no, just some journalistic and lobbyist losers.
00:39:45.860 I think he goes with free speech.
00:39:48.460 He makes it actually a leading point in the campaign.
00:39:51.560 I think you're going to pick up 5%.
00:39:53.160 And more than that, put Trudeau on the back foot.
00:39:57.680 Mr. Sonny Ways wants to censor his opponents.
00:40:00.760 No surprise there.
00:40:01.940 We saw him censor Jody Wilson-Raybould.
00:40:04.880 Liza writes,
00:40:06.560 If the petition is big enough, Andrew Scheer might start doing his job.
00:40:09.320 I have my doubts, but of course I signed.
00:40:11.180 Somebody has got to do something.
00:40:13.120 Well, that is part of our role here federally with Andrew Scheer,
00:40:17.100 especially if he becomes prime minister.
00:40:18.520 And this is what I said about Jason Kenney.
00:40:21.440 Jason Kenney is premier of Alberta now,
00:40:23.620 just like Doug Ford is premier of Ontario.
00:40:27.920 Both of their oppositions are to the left.
00:40:31.120 The judiciary is to the left.
00:40:33.440 The universities are to the left.
00:40:35.120 The media is to the left.
00:40:36.920 Every single force in Canada is pulling Jason Kenney, Rob Ford,
00:40:40.840 and every other conservative politician to the left.
00:40:43.180 That is not appropriate, therefore, that our role is to pull them back to the right,
00:40:48.000 to help them walk a straight line,
00:40:50.000 and to hold them to account where they are happy to go to the left.
00:40:53.360 No, no, no.
00:40:54.280 Part of our role is to stand up for conservative values.
00:40:57.120 And just as Andrew Scheer used to whip his party to support the Paris Global Warming Scheme,
00:41:02.680 we opposed that and he finally recanted.
00:41:04.680 It is our job to say uncomfortable things to Andrew Scheer
00:41:08.440 when he is becoming a carbon copy of Trudeau.
00:41:13.420 And we'll do that.
00:41:14.700 If he were smart, he'd grab onto Section 13 and fight for it,
00:41:18.760 fight to keep the repeal.
00:41:20.140 That's my view.
00:41:22.280 Well, folks, that's the show for today.
00:41:23.720 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,
00:41:26.980 to you at home,
00:41:28.220 keep fighting for freedom while you still can.
00:41:34.680 We'll be right back.