Rebel News Podcast - Trump calls it a “game changer” — is hydroxychloroquine a cure for Coronavirus？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I'm excited about today's show. I go through a survey of thousands of doctors on

00:00:05.540 the front line around the world, in the United States, but also Spain and Italy, and even

00:00:10.380 hundreds of doctors in China asking them, is there any medicine that particularly works on

00:00:17.440 the coronavirus? And I'll tell you what they say. It's an amazing study. I'm so glad to have read it.

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00:00:43.400 All right, here's the podcast.

00:00:57.660 Tonight, is there a medicine that cures coronavirus? Let me take you a survey of

00:01:04.940 thousands of front line doctors. It's April 3rd, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:11.200 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:14.680 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:19.040 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's

00:01:23.420 my bloody right to do so.

00:01:24.880 A pandemic is one of the few times we really need to rely on authorities and institutions,

00:01:34.960 and I think it's fair to say that ours have failed us. One of the most basic definitions

00:01:39.500 of a country, a place with a border that is enforced against non-citizens, especially dangerous 0.97

00:01:46.640 ones, that's utterly been failed by Trudeau, not just at Roxham Road, but through flights from China

00:01:52.940 and other dangerous places that continue to land daily. Literally every day, David Menzies

00:01:58.640 interviews foreign arrivals at Canadian airports, especially here in Toronto, who can't believe

00:02:03.720 they're just let in with no screening at all. Here's a guy who came in all the way from Mozambique.

00:02:09.480 That's in Southern Africa. It's one of the poorest countries in the world. He went through four

00:02:14.320 airports to get home, but Canada was the only place that didn't take his temperature.

00:02:19.840 What about having your temperature remotely checked? Did you get that done?

00:02:23.620 Not in this country. I'm coming from Mozambique, so I've flown halfway around the world and I got my

00:02:32.560 forehead beeped on the way down and all the way back, except for here.

00:02:37.020 But by the same token, you didn't get your temperature checked here, but you got it checked in Mozambique, right?

00:02:41.420 And Lisbon and yeah, and elsewhere.

00:02:45.540 Oh, sounds like everywhere except here.

00:02:48.480 Well, yeah.

00:02:49.820 Yeah, and our public health officers said things that are just manifestly untrue, like the absurd idea

00:02:55.020 counter to science, also counter to common sense. The bizarre excuse that face masks not only don't work,

00:03:01.940 but they're actually dangerous.

00:03:03.360 Our position right now is that put a mask on someone with symptoms if they should need essential

00:03:11.200 services. Like if you have symptoms, you have to stay at home. You should not be wandering around

00:03:16.900 the community. If you need to get to a medical facility, at that point in time, that mask might

00:03:23.940 actually be useful because you now have infectious droplets that you might send to others. But the

00:03:30.280 key is to keep that two meter distance. Masks have to be utilized appropriately too. Most people

00:03:38.520 haven't learned how to use masks. So there's many practical aspects of this. So our advice right now

00:03:43.680 is there is no need to use a mask for well people. Yeah, that's just not true. In fact, face masks are 0.99

00:03:51.640 the number one tool used by Taiwan and other countries to fight the virus. Trudeau's handpicked doctor

00:03:57.720 spokesman, Theresa Tam, is simply lying to cover up the fact that there just aren't any masks in

00:04:03.360 Canada. I learned yesterday that there's not a single Canadian manufacturer of N95 face masks.

00:04:10.260 That's a high quality face mask. Not one manufacturer in our whole country. Even now, even in April,

00:04:15.820 still none. So yeah, who can you trust? Our health minister? There's no indication that the data that

00:04:22.040 came out of China in terms of their infection rate and their death rate was falsified in any way.

00:04:28.500 She trusts the Chinese dictatorship, which means she's as trustworthy as the Chinese dictatorship 0.98

00:04:34.260 because she just repeats what they say. So she's not trustworthy at all. So who can we trust? Is

00:04:40.300 Donald Trump any better? I think he is. Unlike Trudeau, he's not hiding in his house all day in his pajamas.

00:04:46.340 He's out there chairing meetings, making decisions, making phone calls. He marshaled America's Army Corps

00:04:51.700 of Engineers to build emergency overflow hospitals. He sailed two huge Navy hospital ships to LA and New

00:04:57.920 York. He's not afraid to knock a few heads. When General Motors was quarreling with him about 0.56

00:05:02.860 building ventilators, he dropped the hammer on them using an old law that gives Trump a wartime

00:05:08.760 power to order industrial production. Late last night, when Trump heard that the industrial company 3M

00:05:14.740 was making masks in America but selling them for quick cash to foreign countries, he was so angry,

00:05:19.680 he tweeted about it literally that moment. Yeah, I'm going to take a guess that 3M will not sell

00:05:25.020 a single American-made mask outside the U.S. The question is, which side of that wall will Canada

00:05:31.760 be in? I don't trust Trudeau to get it done. Wouldn't it be nice if we had someone on guard for our

00:05:37.700 national interest like that? Now, the left hates Donald Trump because he beat them in the election.

00:05:42.700 Polite company hates Trump because he's impolite, let's be honest. But I'm sorry,

00:05:47.940 he's a man that's fit for this time. He's a man for the times. He's not infallible. But tell me

00:05:53.900 someone around the world better right now as a national leader. Trump's approval ratings are at

00:05:58.240 all-time high, actually. The TV ratings on his daily briefings are at an all-time high, too,

00:06:03.260 because people want to know. They want to hear directly from him, the decider. They don't trust the

00:06:08.240 media to report what he says fairly. They want to hear from themselves, which is precisely why CNN

00:06:13.660 has stopped airing his briefings. Seriously, they cut away when he gets to the mic. They're too worried

00:06:18.660 that people might like what Trump has to say or realize that they're twisting it. So they're

00:06:22.640 literally blacking out what the president of the United States has to say during this crisis. Imagine

00:06:27.140 that happening in World War II to FDR. CNN and China's state broadcasters are... Tell me the

00:06:34.080 difference between them. If Trump would say two plus two is four, the media would say it's actually

00:06:39.320 five. Or they'd probably try and say something trickier, like, no, two plus two is 22, just to

00:06:45.380 prove Trump wrong on anything. So a few weeks ago, Trump tweeted that there was some hope in finding a

00:06:50.780 cure for coronavirus, or at least a way to treat it, to help some patients survive. I'm not talking

00:06:55.580 about a vaccine to prevent you from getting it in the first place. I'm talking about a drug you take

00:06:59.260 if you already have the disease to help you get through it. Here's Trump's tweet. He said,

00:07:04.600 hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin taken together have a real chance to be one of the biggest game

00:07:12.120 changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains. Thank you. Hopefully they will both.

00:07:20.800 H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents. And then he continues,

00:07:27.500 he said, be put in use immediately. People are dying, move fast, and God bless everyone.

00:07:34.560 And he copied the Twitter accounts of the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration,

00:07:38.100 the Centers for Disease Control, and Homeland Security. Well, the media party exploded. I swear

00:07:42.560 they hate Trump so much. If Trump is fighting against the virus, they will cheer for the virus.

00:07:50.860 I'm not even kidding. They immediately denounced Trump. I'm not talking about doctors denouncing

00:07:56.260 Trump. I actually didn't even see any of that. I'm talking about pundits, political commentators,

00:08:00.360 journalists, know-nothings who had never heard the words hydroxychloroquine or azithromycin before.

00:08:06.660 Who has? Suddenly they knew, they just knew that if Trump liked those medicines, they didn't.

00:08:14.600 Even if it was a virus medicine, it was nuts. In fact, a couple of Democrat governors

00:08:19.300 actually immediately banned those medicines just to show how mad they were at Trump. One reporter said

00:08:25.380 that this, they really, really pulled out the stops on this one. One reporter said that some

00:08:30.480 Trump voter who heard Trump say this ingested something that sounded like hydroxychloroquine or

00:08:40.360 azithromycin, and she and her husband died, or she didn't die, her husband died because they both took

00:08:45.700 it. And oh, did that report go viral, to use a phrase. Everyone laughed and laughed. A stupid

00:08:52.840 Trump supporter following stupid Trump's stupid advice went and got themselves dead. Case closed. 1.00

00:09:00.320 Those drugs were bad. But hang on, they didn't actually take the drug. You can't just get that

00:09:06.220 drug anywhere. What they ingested was aquarium cleaner, not a drug. They ate aquarium cleaner because one of

00:09:15.580 the words sounded the same. They were so desperate to be saved from coronavirus, I guess. But

00:09:20.160 only later did we find out the truth. No, they weren't Trump supporters. They were actually

00:09:25.420 avid Democrats. The wife was a Democrat donor. And no, they didn't take the aquarium cleaner together,

00:09:32.220 let alone as medicine. The wife poisoned her husband and then used Trump as an excuse, as an alibi. So yeah, 0.83

00:09:39.640 that's the science that the media party believes. So I'm not going to put myself forward as an expert

00:09:45.440 in this matter. I'm not a scientist or a doctor. I saw this story about a board certified doctor in

00:09:52.900 New York State who claims to have cured nearly 700 patients using that medicine. But look, I have no

00:09:58.700 idea who that guy is. I didn't want to use just one guy as my proof point. Maybe he's a kook. 1.00

00:10:04.180 But then I came across this. And this is what I want to share with you today. It's a survey of doctors by a

00:10:12.160 company called CERMO. Here's their website. They're basically an app for doctors around the world, if I

00:10:18.060 understand them correctly. Sort of like a LinkedIn, but just for doctors. So it's professional. They share tips

00:10:24.580 and warnings and ask questions about practical things. It sounds really useful to me. Anyway, CERMO asked the

00:10:32.040 doctors in their network around the world some very simple questions about coronavirus. And the

00:10:36.440 medicine that Trump was talking about was one of the questions. So this is very interesting to me.

00:10:40.600 CERMO isn't political. These doctors aren't pundits. They're busy people doing real medicine.

00:10:46.680 And these days, they're doing a lot of talking about coronavirus, of course. So yesterday, CERMO

00:10:51.700 formally published the results of their doctor survey. Let me take you through it.

00:10:56.800 COVID-19 real-time barometer study, March 25 to 27. So it's a few days old now, but it was only

00:11:06.760 published yesterday. I'm sure they'll have an updated version of this survey in the future.

00:11:11.740 I'll tell you what they say if there's anything interesting there. But here's what they said

00:11:14.600 yesterday. Let me start with the methodology. Let me read this in full because I actually think this

00:11:18.300 is very persuasive. Methodology. Wave one of CERMO's COVID-19 barometer survey was launched on

00:11:24.940 March 25 and fielded over three days. Physicians were not incentivized to participate in the study.

00:11:31.900 So no one was paid to do this. The sample represents physicians registered with CERMO,

00:11:36.560 a secure digital online platform designed for physician networking and anonymous survey research.

00:11:42.860 The platform is exclusive to verified and licensed physicians. Given the strategic importance of this

00:11:49.960 topic, a total of 6,227 physicians across all specialties were sampled. The 30 countries included

00:11:56.820 in the sample are United States, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Germany, Italy, UK, France,

00:12:01.760 Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden, Turkey, Poland, Russia, Finland, Ireland, Switzerland,

00:12:05.160 Austria, Denmark, Norway, Greece, Taiwan, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, including China and Hong Kong.

00:12:10.100 Results are reported for individual countries with a minimum sample size of 250.

00:12:15.220 Such as sample size provides for point estimates within a plus or minus 6% precision at a 94%

00:12:21.320 confidence level. In situations where the sample size for a country is below 250, countries are

00:12:26.640 aggregated to provide a meaningful regional view. No weighting factor was applied to any individual

00:12:31.400 sampling unit, either in the selection of physicians who received an invite to participate

00:12:36.280 or in any analysis conducted post-data collection.

00:12:39.420 Some of that might have sounded like statistical mumbo-jumbo to you, but what I saw there was a

00:12:46.380 rigorous survey. Do you agree? Well, certainly more rigorous than any journalist. Anyways,

00:12:52.440 it is what it is. Let's read it. Doesn't it sound more trustworthy than something Justin Trudeau or

00:12:56.820 Patty Heide or Teresa Sam would say? Let's see. I mean, forget the media party. Let's see. And frankly,

00:13:02.200 this is even more credible than what Donald Trump, a politician, would say. These are real doctors

00:13:05.720 actually treating real people around the world. Don't you want to hear what they want to say?

00:13:09.420 Are you curious? I am. Okay, let's get to it. Sample geographic distribution. So here's

00:13:15.300 where the doctors are from. A lot are from America, obviously, including a lot in New York and

00:13:21.120 California. That's useful. Lots in Europe, too, including Italy and Spain, which were hard hit

00:13:26.400 by the virus. You can see Germany in there. And interestingly, 245 doctors in China are on the list.

00:13:32.340 I think that's very interesting. And you can see there are 1,100 others around the world. So let's just

00:13:37.080 go through this. When do you think that your region will pass the peak of the outbreak? That's a good

00:13:44.940 question. So purple is doctors saying the worst is over. Only Chinese doctors say that, 90% of them. 0.97

00:13:50.960 Now, who knows if that's the truth or Chinese propaganda, but it's what they say. Who knows

00:13:55.760 how free those doctors are to speak the truth? Or perhaps it's really true the virus has wiped out so

00:14:00.400 much, ravaged things so badly there, that they really are through the worst of it. It could be.

00:14:07.280 31% in Italy say the worst is over. And pretty much no one else even comes close. That's sort of obvious.

00:14:13.120 So that rings true. Next question. When do you expect your region will be able to lift current

00:14:18.920 restrictions on movements? So you can see the bar that's second from the right. That's China. So half of 0.95

00:14:24.480 Chinese doctors say that within the week or the next one or two weeks. But everywhere else in the

00:14:29.480 world, it's much further into the future. In Italy and Spain, they're talking about a month plus.

00:14:33.760 In the rest of Europe, it's months. In America, it's months. That's what they think it'll be.

00:14:39.220 And here's what they want it to be. That's a little bit different, isn't it?

00:14:42.420 When would you recommend your region lift the current restrictions on movements? So let's just look at

00:14:47.260 the New York numbers. 29% of the doctors there say they want two months plus. 24% say they want about

00:14:54.660 two months. So more than half the doctors in New York want lockdowns for two months or even more.

00:15:01.460 That's a bit scary. There are some other very interesting questions in the survey. We'll have

00:15:07.000 the survey linked on the webpage below this video if you want to go through it. How long does it take

00:15:13.720 to get your virus tests back? What do you as a doctor feel you need to learn more about? Do you

00:15:18.960 think your government is properly balancing healthcare and the economy? Lots of interesting

00:15:23.140 stuff in there, country by country. I recommend you read it. But I want to talk about those drugs

00:15:27.480 Trump mentioned. So look at this question. Please indicate which medications, if any, you have

00:15:33.760 personally prescribed or have seen used in your setting to fight COVID-19. And then they summarize

00:15:40.800 the answers. Three most commonly prescribed treatments from a list of 15 options are analgesics,

00:15:47.600 56%, azithromycin, 41%, and hydroxychloroquine, 33%. Now analgesics, that's just a fancy way of

00:15:54.440 saying pain relief medication. But look at that number two, azithromycin. And number three,

00:16:00.360 hydroxychloroquine. Oh, so exactly what Trump tweeted and exactly what the media party mocked.

00:16:09.600 I'm going to put aside pain medication. Let's look at the actual cures here. Azithromycin,

00:16:16.080 53% of doctors in Italy recommend it and 64% in Spain. And by the way, 42% of doctors in China

00:16:22.920 recommend it. And for hydroxychloroquine, 50% in Italy, 61% in Spain, 43% in China. What do you think?

00:16:30.100 It's pretty clear to me. Okay. This next question is smart because it's, it's one thing to actually

00:16:37.520 prescribe medicine to do something, but what does the doctor actually think works? That's a little

00:16:44.080 bit different, isn't it? So look at the wording here. Of the medications you have personally prescribed

00:16:48.520 or have seen used, please indicate which ones are most effective. So a doctor might just be

00:16:53.500 going through the motions because everyone else is. But this question says, was it actually working?

00:16:59.080 37% of physicians who have treated COVID-19 patients believe hydroxychloroquine is the

00:17:05.360 most effective therapy of a list of 15 options. Now, interestingly, unfortunately, 51% of American

00:17:11.760 doctors say nothing is the most effective. But 23% and 18% say the two Trump drugs work.

00:17:18.300 In the other jurisdictions though, Italy, Spain, the rest of Europe, China, they overwhelmingly say

00:17:24.260 the two Trump drugs work best. In Italy and Spain, which have had it the worst, they say

00:17:30.320 hydroxychloroquine is the best. 62% of doctors say that. Now I want to learn why. And I want to learn

00:17:36.780 why American doctors don't agree. Maybe they just haven't had the unfortunate experience of mass

00:17:42.460 infections yet. I don't know. But I'm pretty open to trusting doctors from Italy and Spain,

00:17:48.520 at least more than, you know, the Communist Party of China or the World Health Organization.

00:17:53.360 Now there's a few more questions, but I want to show you one more that's sort of technical,

00:17:56.940 but it shows what kind of survey this CERMO company does. Really practical stuff for doctors

00:18:02.420 to use. Here's this one. What hydroxychloroquine treatment regimens have you prescribed or have seen

00:18:10.520 used in your setting? The two most common treatment regimens for hydroxychloroquine were

00:18:16.780 38% of people saying 400 milligrams twice daily on a day one, 400 milligrams daily for five days. And

00:18:23.800 26% say 400 milligrams twice daily on day one and 200 milligrams twice daily for four days. Now,

00:18:30.740 obviously I have no idea, but that's the point. These are thousands of doctors around the world

00:18:36.100 say, well, this is how I do it. Well, this is how I do it. I'm going to trust these people talking to

00:18:41.140 each other about, well, have you tried this or maybe do this or give a big dose at first and then

00:18:45.320 cut it? Whatever. I think I trust these 6,200 doctors around the world more than I trust Justin

00:18:51.160 Trudeau, Patty Heidi, Teresa Tam. Don't you? Now, look, I don't know. I don't know. But I do know one

00:18:58.020 thing. Our Canadian political leaders have failed us. Our media has failed us. Our official

00:19:04.160 doctor politicians like Teresa Tam have failed us. But I think these thousands of doctors on this

00:19:11.180 survey on the front lines, I think they're worth a listen. To hell with the media party who are

00:19:18.760 actually cheering for the virus. Stay with us.

00:19:34.160 Welcome back. Well, the world is in chaos and panic. Massive unemployment in Canada and the United

00:19:41.300 States and surely Western Europe, too. How many people will die is yet unknown. But of course,

00:19:47.860 any death is a tragedy. The Communist Party of China bears so much blame for covering up and lying.

00:19:54.080 But there is one group that is cheering, cheering for the virus. Look at this poster, this handbill.

00:20:03.940 Corona is the cure. Humans are the disease. And that outlandish, anti-human propaganda, that death 0.99

00:20:19.940 cults manifesto is actually signed. That's not an anonymous piece of graffiti. That is a professionally

00:20:30.100 graphically laid out document signed by Extinction Rebellion. That is Greta Thunberg's street gang.

00:20:41.060 Typically, they just shut down streets in protest, whether in London, England or Edmonton, Alberta.

00:20:46.660 Here they are cheering for a virus that is killing people. But at the end of the day, is that not the

00:20:54.120 most succinct summary of the global warming philosophy that people are the problem? Joining us

00:21:01.780 now via Skype is our friend Mark Morano, the top boss at climatedepot.com. And I must say,

00:21:07.560 Mark, you're looking pretty sharp today. I like your quarantine wear, if I may say so.

00:21:12.980 Thank you. This is my flatten the curve flat cap. And then I'm here at home self-quarantine. But

00:21:21.480 actually, you know, I've been getting out a lot actually to do essential shopping and running and

00:21:26.540 all that. So it's it's you. Virginia is one of the states on complete lockdown, allegedly. So we'll see

00:21:32.120 how long this lasts. Right. Well, you look in good spirits. I'm very glad to hear that and to see you

00:21:36.820 in good health. Now, you, of course, have been tracking the anti-human nature of globalist

00:21:46.840 environmental extremists. At the end of the day, if you think human development and GDP and

00:21:52.480 prosperity and development is bad, what you're really saying is that people are bad. Am I right?

00:21:58.560 You are. And this is goes in line with many environmentalists who've said that humans are

00:22:05.160 the virus on the planet and that we need to be eradicated. We have a voluntary human extinction

00:22:10.760 movement that is only partially satire. And actually, they actually mean it. And they talk

00:22:16.460 the warnings of overpopulation, Paul Ehrlich. It all goes along with that. You have people like

00:22:21.620 Andrew Revkin, the former New York Times reporter who talks about the Anthropocene as though humans

00:22:26.460 have now taken over the, you know, one of the epics of the planet and where it's now, you know,

00:22:31.860 it's all it is, is the human caused epic. And other, you know, people who study this say that's

00:22:36.480 not the case at all. But with the case of Extinction Rebellion, calling, you know, the humans what they

00:22:41.900 have here, what's interesting is the media reached out and some, some in Extinction Rebellion tried to

00:22:48.160 say, oh, now we disavowed this. We had nothing to do with it. The problem is Extinction Rebellion by its

00:22:53.280 own charter is a leaderless, decentralized group. And so suddenly when it's finally convenient,

00:22:59.460 they can't find someone who they claim now as a leader who's going to disavow this.

00:23:03.120 This is actually the sentiment of the mainstream Extinction Rebellion. Don't let anyone tell you

00:23:08.940 otherwise. Yeah. I mean, I don't know why they would deny it because it's particularly crass, perhaps,

00:23:15.280 but that is their essential message. Now, Greta Thunberg herself, she did a very strange

00:23:21.100 Instagram post about two weeks ago where she didn't claim she had the virus. In fact,

00:23:28.160 she sort of said the opposite. She said, oh, I have the sniffles, but I've quarantined anyways.

00:23:32.940 It was a very strange thing, obviously not written by her. We know it's been revealed that she has a team,

00:23:39.480 a PR team that handles her social media account. It just, to me, it struck me as so obvious. Like,

00:23:46.240 she wasn't sick. She didn't look sick. She didn't claim to be sick, but she just wanted, hey guys,

00:23:51.380 don't forget about me. I know you're all talking about this virus. Can we talk about me for a bit?

00:23:55.440 And she even made this post just very recently. She said, school strike week 85. Act responsible.

00:24:05.780 Your actions can be the difference between life and death for others. But she's not talking about

00:24:11.800 the virus. Climate strike online, stay at home Fridays for future. School strike for climate,

00:24:19.400 flatten the curve. And scroll down just a little bit there. School strike for the climate.

00:24:24.620 And she posted that actually just today. That's the thing, Mark. Every school has been struck,

00:24:34.640 if not by the virus itself, by virus panic. Everyone's striking from school now. And it's not good.

00:24:43.360 We're all shut down. We're all in a panic mode. We are de-industrializing in a way. This is the

00:24:49.560 unhappy future that they wanted for us. Shut down the factory, shut down the roads, stop driving,

00:24:56.600 stay at home. This is actually what they said was the utopia. They wanted de-growth, de-work,

00:25:05.300 GDP decline. This is what they promised us.

00:25:07.920 It is. And first of all, a couple of comments. We've seen a lot of, you know, progressives coming

00:25:14.800 out and getting their moment in the sun. I may have had the virus. I didn't get a test,

00:25:19.560 but I certainly had the symptoms. I think I was sick with it. This was a way for Greta to make 0.92

00:25:23.520 herself relevant, first of all, to announce that she might have had the virus, her and her dad.

00:25:27.620 We see Chris Cuomo on CNN with the same thing, describing, you know, a night of nightmares

00:25:34.040 and shivering from a fever. So people, this is a similar way celebrities have used drug rehab. In

00:25:41.140 other words, if your career isn't getting much attention, what better way than to check into a

00:25:45.340 posh rehab facility and suddenly your name's all over the news and you're getting well-wishers and

00:25:50.280 you're back on your agent's desk as being relevant. So interestingly enough, the irony is not lost that

00:25:56.600 you have the school strike movement actually out there now calling for continued school strikes

00:26:01.980 when there is no school. So this whole thing is silly, but it's absolutely, this is the template

00:26:08.040 by which the climate emergency, Extinction Rebellion, Greta Thunberg, the United Nations

00:26:12.600 all want to follow. Just think, Ezra, it was only a couple months ago that we were talking about

00:26:17.840 flight shaming and stopping airline travel except for essential flights. And Greta went all out of the 1.00

00:26:24.340 way to take that ridiculous yacht made of plastic and have their crew fly. But now just a few months 0.66

00:26:30.800 later, almost all airlines are grounded. They have to be ecstatic and they're publicly saying it at

00:26:36.680 Climate Depot. I've been covering this on a daily basis. Green environmental activists after activists

00:26:41.960 just sort of marveling at how society was so quickly shut down for the virus. And they're saying

00:26:49.040 we need to, we need to have this power for climate change. So they are taking notes and they are

00:26:54.100 coming after the virus to, to, to continue these policies. Yeah. And it's not just radical activists

00:27:00.180 who are saying, isn't this marvelous? This is actually the green utopia. We want no one flying,

00:27:05.080 no one traveling. If you look at the massive spending bill that Nancy Pelosi sent through the Congress,

00:27:12.500 it had Green New Deal elements. I mean, it had a lot of pork in it, but they really do want to 0.98

00:27:18.960 use this, never let a crisis go to waste as a Rahm Emanuel, uh, Barack Obama's early chief of staff

00:27:26.860 said, I fear that the government will take control and power, not only over economy, but over our civil

00:27:37.880 liberties, uh, if they can do it for a virus pandemic, well, we already have a climate emergency

00:27:46.680 declared in many legislatures around the world. Uh, the virus threat may or may not be as dire as

00:27:52.900 people say, I'm starting to become more skeptical of that. But what it did is it gave them the template,

00:27:58.880 the precedent, the legislation, the, um, the test drive for what they theoretically could do

00:28:06.180 for a climate emergency.

00:28:09.800 It absolutely has. And they are liking what they're saying. And here's the thing now,

00:28:14.700 from their point of view, and you can almost understand this from the social progressive left, social

00:28:20.080 justice, if you completely demolish your economy, and by the way, President Trump, I would argue at this

00:28:26.800 point, uh, in early April has by listening to what I call the big public health, the bureaucratic public

00:28:33.440 health in America, including Dr. Fauci has essentially dissolved his entire presidency,

00:28:38.820 uh, in terms of any economic gains. I mean, he listened to them. Now I predict there's going to

00:28:43.920 be a huge public divorce of Trump and public health because public health is unelected. All it's like

00:28:50.300 the old speed limit thing. If speed limits at 15 mile an hour, save one life. Why isn't it worth it?

00:28:56.320 So this is where they are. Public health is never going to allow Trump to restart the economy. There's

00:29:01.680 going to be a public divorce where Trump says enough, we've got to restart the economy here in

00:29:06.340 America. Already we're seeing this essential businesses. We have, um, uh, Hobby Lobby in the

00:29:11.640 United States has declared themselves self-declared, and I give them more power to them, an essential

00:29:15.760 business. And they're reopening and defiance of local governments and state governments. So when this

00:29:21.760 starts happening and there's more movement to reopen and more stuff, public health is not going to

00:29:26.300 like it. They're going to, and by the way, despite the fact there's not excess deaths globally and

00:29:30.740 even in Italy, that's the shocking thing. If this was truly a, you know, some massive killer of

00:29:36.000 humankind, humankind, you would be seeing excess deaths of what you'd normally see this time of

00:29:39.800 year. And it's not in the data. And you can go on my Twitter feed to see some of the stats on that.

00:29:44.520 I don't want to turn this into a Corona thing, but my point is the left progressive left knows that

00:29:51.040 if you're rebuilding an economy, which we are now, and by the way, I oppose the stimulus. I, you know,

00:29:55.420 I can't believe we have Tea Party Republicans elected 2010, Ezra. I spoke at one of the rallies,

00:30:01.420 15,000, 20,000 spontaneous rallies in 2010. These were leaders elected to fight big government

00:30:08.500 chiefly because of Obamacare and Obama's $900 billion stimulus, which led to things like

00:30:14.240 Solyndra and other things. They were elected. One member of the Tea Party class, Representative

00:30:19.700 Thomas Massey of Kentucky, voted against it. So we are seeing a complete realignment. The Tea Party was

00:30:24.780 a farce and a fraud. I'm here to say that to you right now. This might be shocking you. I don't

00:30:29.720 know. But I'm sitting back here watching political realignment. And Donald Trump's lowest moment of

00:30:35.500 his presidency, Ezra, was teaming up with John Kerry to bash Representative Massey for this debt bomb

00:30:41.440 stimulus that he did. So sorry, you probably weren't expecting that from me. So part of me thinks,

00:30:47.200 why wouldn't the progressive left pounce on this moment when America doesn't seem to care about

00:30:52.060 fiscal health, economics, debt? Why not pile on with the Green New Deal? And my question is, 0.90

00:30:58.340 what is our real argument at this point? I feel like an idiot many times in the past arguing 0.99

00:31:02.200 the climate agenda is a central planning. It's going to cost all this money. And in two weeks, 0.99

00:31:08.040 we bombed out some of the worst case scenarios of the climate expenses with what we've done to

00:31:12.560 our economy. So as you can see, I'm processing all this. And this is something that will be opposed.

00:31:19.120 The Green New Deal is coming down for round two and the next stimulus. But it's something that I 0.87

00:31:24.360 can understand why they're trying to push it right now. Well, I mean, it is true that there is a deep

00:31:30.200 state. Those are permanent decision makers who do not come and go with elections. And in many cases,

00:31:37.120 they have an area of expertise that makes people defer to them. Normally, we refer to the deep state

00:31:43.680 in the intelligence community, security community. We saw the deep state fight back against Donald

00:31:49.880 Trump, you know, James Comey, the FBI, things like that. But I suppose it is accurate to say there's

00:31:54.840 a deep state on the health care side. And you're right. They have a mentality that you want in a

00:32:01.520 doctor. Like if you go to a doctor voluntarily as a patient, you want your doctor to say, well,

00:32:06.940 here's all of my advice and please follow all of my advice because I got to keep you as healthy as

00:32:12.160 possible. And you can make those choices. But you give that doctor not, you know, the doctor-patient

00:32:18.320 relationship, but a powerful fiat make orders to the whole country relationship. And that's not

00:32:25.640 normally how we deal with doctors. And they may want to stamp out every single case, but they're only

00:32:31.340 thinking like a doctor. They're not thinking about the many millions of people who are not sick, but

00:32:38.780 are now unemployed. Let me just throw one last point to you and then I'll let you close. I went

00:32:43.980 through the New York City casualty stats yesterday. As of yesterday, there were 1,397 deaths in New York

00:32:51.500 City, but 18 and under, which is almost 20% of New York's population, by the way, there was a single

00:32:59.600 death and it was someone with a pre-existing condition. So here you have a population, not a single

00:33:05.760 death by Corona alone. And yet we've shut down all the schools. We've put along a school strike. So I think

00:33:13.120 we have to start balancing the advice of well-meaning doctors with the advice of other people saying, what

00:33:21.100 are you doing to the whole economy and industry? Last word to you, Mark.

00:33:24.040 Well, yeah, there's a study out today saying I think it's four times the level of people projected to commit

00:33:31.640 suicide than projected to die from this virus. In other words, you're losing your house, your home, your car,

00:33:38.200 stress, livelihood. There's a big picture here and public health bureaucracy. Keep in mind, we are talking

00:33:44.200 about, I call him the totalitarian in chief, Anthony Fauci. I mean, he came out today and said he doesn't understand why the

00:33:49.960 entire country is not shutting down. It's not his job to understand that. We have Trump's economic advisor,

00:33:55.640 Larry Kudlow, saying, well, we'll be able to reopen the economy when the doctors say we can. That's not

00:34:01.300 America. We never elected doctors. There's so many other issues besides this virus. You can do a whole,

00:34:08.920 my hero in this, by the way, is Peter Hitchens. If you can get an interview with him, I'd recommend it,

00:34:13.400 the UK, from the UK. Peter Hitchens is pointing out that they're basically the death toll is being

00:34:21.300 juiced, torqued up, in the words of Al Gore when it comes to the UN, in the sense that people are

00:34:26.320 dying with corona, but not because of it. So if you're a terminal cancer patient and you happen

00:34:31.260 to test positive, which is many false positives and asymptomatic cases, suddenly you're a victim of

00:34:36.160 corona, even though you were on your deathbed. So there's, and they're also weaponizing the virus

00:34:41.720 count. They're counting things in a way that they never did with flu and pneumonia. Again,

00:34:46.520 a way to juice up the death count, to have a daily death toll. And I think President Trump will realize

00:34:51.800 this. I think he's within two weeks of realizing it, and we are going to have a bloodbath. By the

00:34:55.840 way, Ezra, there already have, Democrats are already laying the groundwork for the next round of

00:35:00.440 impeachment, possibly before the 2020 election, for President Trump not acting quick enough and

00:35:06.200 ignoring the warnings. And again, this is Bill Gates, I predict a pandemic. We've been

00:35:11.340 expecting a pandemic since 1918 and the Spanish flu. So anyone predicting bad things and bad

00:35:17.340 viruses, that's not a prediction. I'm sorry. We should have been prepared as a country better.

00:35:23.420 That's not President Trump's fault. If anything, it's big public health's fault. Well, they sit back

00:35:28.180 there. They were, you know what they were doing before this happened? Daily, nightly, a war on vaping

00:35:33.180 in America. The CDC, knowing full well that these were illegal black market vapes out there for THC,

00:35:40.920 nothing to do with stuff you would buy in a store, told people to stop vaping while they allowed

00:35:45.060 cigarette smoke. This is what happened. Then you have the World Health Organization, who literally

00:35:49.400 declared climate the greatest threat two years ago, and they're involved in all these ridiculous

00:35:53.520 climate studies. We're now taking the word of World Health Organization, and not only taking the word,

00:35:57.900 but taking policy direction. Big public health is self-interested lobbying organizations. Yes,

00:36:04.900 they care about the public. Yes, they do important work. But there's also that element of the progressive

00:36:09.600 left. I'll leave you with this. Steve Malloy at Junk Science has said, just like an education,

00:36:15.540 he doesn't know a single conservative or libertarian involved in public health anymore,

00:36:19.700 because you're just not welcome. This is about remaking society into a nanny state,

00:36:26.220 and nothing can be more seen than we're seeing with this virus right now, and the climate activists

00:36:30.560 are taking note. I'm sorry if that was more than you brought up today, Ezra, but I've been on

00:36:34.900 quarantine and just busting to get all this out. Well, thank you, and the sun is beaming down. It

00:36:40.860 looks like you're in a gorgeous place in Virginia there. Well, you've given me a lot to think about,

00:36:45.600 and I'm trying to work my way through this. On the one hand, I want to acknowledge that there is a risk

00:36:49.920 here, and I want to acknowledge that the risk may be hidden because of communist China's secrecy

00:36:55.320 and cover-ups and things like that. So I want to remain open-minded to the possibility that this

00:37:01.940 is bad. On the other hand, go ahead. Yeah. I don't want to act like I'm not taking the virus

00:37:10.000 seriously. It is a very serious virus. It's new, so our defenses aren't up, and it's in a pandemic

00:37:15.620 phase. You don't want to overhaul. I understand flatten the curve, but there are things we could

00:37:20.400 have done less severe, like we could have quarantined old people, quarantined the vulnerable,

00:37:25.620 supported hospitals. You had businesses and social distancing. You could have allowed churches.

00:37:31.740 There's all kinds of things you could have done by getting the message out, but this is the heavy

00:37:34.920 hand of government. We have the New Jersey governor now telling its citizens today that even inside the

00:37:40.320 home, you should practice social distancing. People being arrested, roadblocks set up, people

00:37:45.860 demanding police bananing where you want to go. This is not an America worth living in because of

00:37:50.900 a virus scare. I'm sorry. Yeah, that crazy talk about social distancing within your own house,

00:37:58.480 police check stops on the road. I don't believe that will last long or end well if it does last

00:38:04.980 long, especially if you have 10, 20, 30 million Americans out of work. I just don't think that's

00:38:10.840 unsustainable. Mark Morano, very interesting talk. This is what happens when government shuts

00:38:17.380 everything down. There is more to life than being afraid of a virus and worried about it,

00:38:22.380 however legitimate the virus is, and that's what's been lost here, and I think Donald Trump

00:38:26.380 is going to wake up very soon. I think you're probably right. All right, Mark Morano, great to

00:38:30.260 catch up. So much to think over. Great to see you. All right, appreciate it. There you have it,

00:38:35.960 Mark Morano. The sun was beaming down on the video camera there, but I think we saw him pretty well,

00:38:42.000 and we certainly heard him loud and clear. What do you think of Mark's comments? Very interesting.

00:38:47.020 We want to take care of people. That's our friendship. That's our sense of community. That's

00:38:52.980 our risk management. But at what cost to our liberty and to our economy and to our common sense?

00:39:00.500 Stay with us. More ahead.

00:39:05.960 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday. Paul writes, anyone living paycheck to paycheck who

00:39:15.640 has been laid off is already in trouble. That's actually a large percentage of the people out

00:39:19.800 there. Well, yeah, obviously. I mean, listen, we're all in a way living paycheck to paycheck,

00:39:24.320 unless you were a very thoughtful, you know, you know, the ant in the grasshopper in times of

00:39:31.280 plenty. Are you really stocking money away? But that's hard to do. That's hard to do. And a lot

00:39:35.460 of people just didn't. And a lot of the people laid off. A huge number are restaurant workers who

00:39:41.080 are probably young and not that skilled. And they're living on tips from, you know, cash tips

00:39:47.520 and stuff. Those folks don't have savings. Jen writes, I like that the chart breaks down deaths

00:39:55.120 by age and contributing factors. It does provide more perspective to the issue. This whole quarantine

00:40:00.420 business is a difficult subject. Where is the balance of prudence and liberty? You're talking

00:40:05.440 about the New York City death statistics, and I find them useful too. They're very clear, like very

00:40:11.440 clear breakdown by age and by underlying condition. And listen, patterns, that's what we do. That's part

00:40:20.360 of thinking. Can I see a pattern here? Can I understand the world by seeing something happen again and

00:40:25.900 again? And what we were seeing in those New York City stats is that no one, no teenager or less,

00:40:34.680 no one under 20 really, in New York City has died from the virus. And that's almost 2 million people.

00:40:44.260 One person who was a teenager died, but he had another condition. And yet every school in New York

00:40:50.920 is closed. Riddle me that. Go to the other end of the spectrum, 75 and up, that's a high risk group.

00:40:58.540 And if you're 75 and up with an underlying condition, diabetes, cancer, respiratory, okay,

00:41:04.220 we got to lock down those seniors homes. We got to lock down places where seniors are because that 1.00

00:41:09.300 is where we got to be really rigorous. Can we do that, please? And let the kids go back to school

00:41:15.780 and let the 20-something waiters go back to the restaurants. And can we get a little less

00:41:22.800 one-size-fits-all, please? That's all I'm saying. If you think for a second I'm saying who cares about

00:41:27.940 the seniors, I'm actually saying the opposite. I'm saying let's keep the economy from cratering

00:41:32.880 by letting young people go to work. They want to work. And let's just redirect our care and attention 0.94

00:41:38.540 to those seniors. I'm fine stationing a cop outside every senior's home. And instead of a

00:41:44.560 bullet gun, how about a thermometer gun that you either aim at long distance or you touch to

00:41:49.740 someone's head? You know, instead of having cops tool around saying, oh, there's five people in a

00:41:54.800 playground because they've been cooped up in their house for a week. Hey, how about lay off that family 0.80

00:42:00.280 who are living together anyways? And how about, you know, I would be totally cool with having a cop

00:42:05.560 outside a nursing home taking everyone's temperature on their forehead. Oh, you got a

00:42:12.040 fever, you ain't going in there. That, how's that not smarter? I don't know. You tell me if I'm wrong.

00:42:17.640 Grace writes, we need to figure out how to get people back to work, not how to quarantine people

00:42:22.200 and shut down the economy. Well, I took a poll on my Twitter stream the other day. Now, granted,

00:42:28.000 that's self-selected. I said to people, what's the greatest risk? The virus, the economic breakdown,

00:42:35.560 or the infringements on our civil liberties over overacting police and in surveillance.

00:42:43.520 The number one answer was economic. The number two was police and viruses was number three,

00:42:47.960 because you know what? You know, every death is a tragedy, but we are all going to die.

00:42:52.940 I don't want that to happen prematurely for anyone. But so far, thank God and knock on wood,

00:42:58.900 the death toll in Canada is not shocking. It's not the kind of death toll that we have been panicked

00:43:07.500 into believing. And if our numbers here are similar to in New York, it's a very particular demographic,

00:43:14.660 seniors with underlying conditions. So I think if anyone is under 50 and healthy, you know,

00:43:23.060 they might get sick, but they're not going to die. That's the math out of New York. And this is not me

00:43:29.160 trying to be callous or sound callous. If you have a hundred people who could go out into the world

00:43:35.920 and fix this problem, instead of spreading them out evenly, why don't you have 90% of them focus on

00:43:43.220 the real risk groups? And the other 10% just focus on, okay, is everyone wearing a mask? Is everyone,

00:43:49.260 you know, washing their hands? So have 10% of your work on the 90% who don't need the help

00:43:54.860 and have 90% of your focus on the 10% who do. I don't know. I'm open to advice. I'll tell you one

00:44:01.920 thing. Trudeau, Teresa Tam, and Patty Hajdu are taking their advice from the World Health Organization

00:44:07.320 and the Chinese Communist Party. They are of no help. In fact, I think they're dangerous.

00:44:12.020 All right, that's the show for today. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at

00:44:15.100 Rubble World Headquarters to you at home, good night, stay safe, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - April 04, 2020

Trump calls it a “game changer” — is hydroxychloroquine a cure for Coronavirus？

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