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Trump gets EU to cut tariffs. Why can't Canada get a trade deal with Trump, too？


Summary

Trump and the EU don't get along. Why can't the EU get along with Donald Trump? Is it because the EU is run by a bunch of interchangeable, interchangeable politicians? Or is it because Trump doesn't like the EU?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Tonight, the European Union does a massive trade deal with Donald Trump, cutting tariffs.
00:00:05.640 Why can't we do that?
00:00:07.360 It's July 26th and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.
00:00:15.820 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:00:19.640 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.
00:00:23.360 You come here once a year with a sign and you feel morally superior.
00:00:26.340 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:00:37.100 Donald Trump doesn't like the European Union and by that I mean the political structure,
00:00:42.040 the mini United Nations that has riveted itself to 28 different democracies there.
00:00:47.700 I'm sure Trump loves Europe itself and individual countries, but not the EU.
00:00:52.900 We know this because Trump supported Brexit, the referendum by which the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union,
00:01:00.260 even though two years later the deep state over there hasn't permitted that exit to take effect.
00:01:05.820 And when Trump was visiting the UK earlier this month, he wasn't shy about giving Theresa May some tough talk about how to get out.
00:01:14.300 I did give Theresa, who I like, I did give her my views on what she should do and how she should negotiate.
00:01:26.340 And she didn't follow those views.
00:01:28.180 I would actually say she probably went the opposite way.
00:01:31.520 If you really look, she probably went the opposite way.
00:01:34.380 That's fine.
00:01:34.900 You know, she should negotiate the best way she knows how.
00:01:38.500 Now, so you'd think that Donald Trump and the European Union would get along terribly, right?
00:01:44.680 I mean, he openly mocks them.
00:01:46.900 Can I show you one more clip?
00:01:47.940 Now, this isn't from the EU.
00:01:49.520 This is from NATO.
00:01:50.940 But there's a lot of overlap, right?
00:01:52.800 So here's Trump meeting at NATO headquarters last month.
00:01:56.640 You've seen this clip.
00:01:57.580 And he just blasts the Europeans, same countries, for shirking on their fair share of military spending.
00:02:03.160 And for buying their energy from Russia, which is a paradox, because, of course, that is the mighty enemy against which NATO was created.
00:02:11.620 Remember this?
00:02:12.020 Well, I have to say, I think it's very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia,
00:02:20.500 where you're supposed to be guarding against Russia, and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.
00:02:27.840 So we're protecting Germany, we're protecting France, we're protecting all of these countries.
00:02:33.580 And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia.
00:02:38.340 Remember that?
00:02:39.060 He went on for a long time.
00:02:40.760 It was great.
00:02:41.280 Let me show you one more thing.
00:02:42.340 Do you know who the president of the European Union is?
00:02:46.220 Of course not.
00:02:46.820 Nobody does.
00:02:47.500 Because nobody gets to elect him.
00:02:49.020 And there's another reason.
00:02:50.640 There are actually several presidents of the EU.
00:02:53.480 I know that sounds nuts.
00:02:54.600 You've got the president of the European Parliament.
00:02:58.120 His name is Antonio Tajani, if I'm saying that right.
00:03:01.660 He's from Italy.
00:03:02.800 Never heard of him.
00:03:03.520 No one else has either.
00:03:04.420 Don't feel bad.
00:03:05.100 I bet most Italians have never heard of him.
00:03:07.200 And then there's this guy, the president of the European Council.
00:03:09.780 That's Donald Tusk from Poland.
00:03:13.920 And then there's the president of the Council of the European Union.
00:03:16.960 That's actually rotated amongst the member countries every six months.
00:03:21.420 So right now, it's actually the democratically elected Austrian chancellor, Sebastian Kurz.
00:03:28.520 Now, he'll be gone pretty soon.
00:03:29.560 I mean, can you even actually get to know a job in six months?
00:03:33.500 It's sort of a joke, really, as the whole EU is.
00:03:35.940 But probably the real leader of the EU is this guy with the unfortunate name Jean-Claude Juncker.
00:03:42.700 He's the president of the European Commission.
00:03:45.220 There are a few more presidents, but I'll stop boring you with all their presidents.
00:03:48.220 But can I show you a video that I think sums this all up?
00:03:51.740 These anonymous, interchangeable European bureaucrat politicians.
00:03:55.640 This is actually the very first video I ever saw of Nigel Farage.
00:03:59.360 First time I ever heard of him.
00:04:00.640 Former leader of the UKIP parties, you know, who is in the European Parliament.
00:04:03.840 He was having a go at another European president named Herman Van Rompuy.
00:04:09.280 And this is a bit tough and a bit thrilling to watch.
00:04:12.400 And I'd like to play it for you for 90 seconds.
00:04:15.820 Take a look at this.
00:04:16.460 You have the charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk.
00:04:22.120 And the question that I want to ask, the question that I want to ask, that we're all going to ask, is who are you?
00:04:29.320 I'd never heard of you.
00:04:31.280 Nobody in Europe had ever heard of you.
00:04:34.160 I would like to ask you, president, who voted for you?
00:04:38.660 And what mechanism?
00:04:41.340 Oh, I know democracy is not popular with you lot.
00:04:44.340 And what mechanism do the peoples of Europe have to remove you?
00:04:49.260 Is this European democracy?
00:04:51.600 Well, I sense, though, that you're competent and capable and dangerous.
00:04:57.580 And I have no doubt that it's your intention to be the quiet assassin of European democracy and of the European nation states.
00:05:05.420 You appear to have a loathing for the very concept of the existence of nation states.
00:05:11.260 Perhaps that's because you come from Belgium, which, of course, is pretty much a non-country.
00:05:16.280 But since you took over, we've seen Greece reduced to nothing more than a protectorate.
00:05:25.280 Sir, you have no legitimacy in this job at all.
00:05:28.860 And I can say with confidence that I can speak on behalf of the majority of the British people in saying,
00:05:34.900 we don't know you, we don't want you.
00:05:37.500 And the sooner you're put out to grass, the better.
00:05:41.160 Isn't that great?
00:05:41.900 Not only is that true and fun and slightly painful to watch,
00:05:46.840 but remember that Nigel Farage and Donald Trump are friends, right?
00:05:51.460 Trump even mused about having some sort of official role for Farage.
00:05:54.800 I have no doubt that Farage is a trusted source of information and views for Trump.
00:05:58.840 So you can imagine Trump's loathing for the EU as an institution if his best pal in the UK is that guy, Farage.
00:06:06.380 Trump engages in rhetorical flourishes and insults, too.
00:06:09.500 But he's much more a New York City brawler than that British debate club champ that you saw in Farage.
00:06:15.800 And look at the current president of the EU, Junker, which rhymes just by coincidence with the word drunker.
00:06:23.420 I'm sorry to be mean, but check this out.
00:06:26.500 Look at that guy.
00:06:27.120 Now, I don't know.
00:06:27.980 You might be thinking, well, maybe he's just having ambulatory problems.
00:06:32.300 I mean, maybe he just has problems walking.
00:06:34.940 No, no, hang on a second.
00:06:38.040 I'll show you another clip of him getting drunk, slapping people in the face.
00:06:44.700 He's famous for having cognacs with breakfast.
00:06:47.780 Like, look at this.
00:06:48.720 Look at this.
00:06:50.140 He's just meeting people and making Thai jokes.
00:06:52.900 He's about to slap a face.
00:06:54.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the president of the European Union.
00:07:06.720 Yeah, he likes to drink.
00:07:09.180 I mean, let's stop being mean to him, I guess.
00:07:11.440 But I just want you to know that that is the leader of the European Union.
00:07:19.400 But back to Trump.
00:07:25.760 Underneath all of Trump's blistering insults or his over-the-top praise, Donald Trump is a negotiator.
00:07:34.280 He's a dealmaker, even with people he doesn't like.
00:07:38.200 Look at how Trump is dealt with Kim Jong-un of North Korea.
00:07:41.360 He goes from insulting him as little rocket man to praising him as a great leader, whatever it takes to get a deal.
00:07:46.280 And in this case, to disarm a rogue nuclear state.
00:07:50.080 Makes sense.
00:07:50.860 Trump hates the New York Times, owned by Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim.
00:07:56.280 Trump hates the Times.
00:07:57.920 Trump mocks Slim.
00:07:58.760 But then Slim bent the knee and he called up Donald Trump and said, can we meet and figure things out?
00:08:03.940 And look at how Trump handled that.
00:08:05.840 He wrote, yes, it is true.
00:08:08.240 Carlos Slim, the great businessman from Mexico, called me about getting together for a meeting.
00:08:12.500 We met.
00:08:13.020 He is a great guy.
00:08:13.980 Now, I think they still hate each other, but that's the thing about Donald Trump.
00:08:18.320 He will meet with anyone to try to make a deal with anyone if it advances his interests.
00:08:22.700 And for the past 550 days, that means advancing America's interests.
00:08:27.160 And so it was with John Claude Drunker.
00:08:30.740 It doesn't matter that Donald Trump probably hates him as much as Nigel Farage does.
00:08:34.820 It doesn't matter that we know for a fact Trump hates the EU.
00:08:38.120 Trump has a mission, advance America's trade interests.
00:08:41.540 He was threatening the European Union with huge tariffs and other sanctions because they exclude U.S. goods and services.
00:08:47.980 And more to the point, Trump has proven that he's not bluffing when it comes to a trade war.
00:08:52.500 Not only has he been talking about fighting back with tariffs for decades, but he's done it, taking on mighty China.
00:08:57.760 So Junker and the rest of the milquetoast bureaucrats at the EU, probably risk-averse, probably nervous Nellies when they see Trump, who they surely despise too, who they think is a wild cowboy, erratic, dangerous.
00:09:10.440 He comes up and says, open up your countries to American goods or we will block your European goods from America.
00:09:15.420 And they believe his threat.
00:09:17.780 The whole anti-Trump media, the whole anti-Trump commentariat, they were saying to Trump, don't do it, don't threaten a trade war, don't bring in tariffs.
00:09:24.720 That will hurt us all.
00:09:25.520 And of course, they're right.
00:09:27.080 Trump cutting back trade with Europe would hurt everyone, but it would hurt Europe much, much more than it would hurt America that's having a surging economy right now.
00:09:34.700 And so the Europeans blinked.
00:09:36.460 They blinked.
00:09:37.940 And they didn't, you know, they didn't cave into America.
00:09:42.620 It was bilateral.
00:09:43.540 It was symmetrical.
00:09:44.960 Both sides will now have freer trade.
00:09:47.980 It's truly what Trump talks about, a level playing field.
00:09:50.920 Yeah, they reduced more barriers because they had more barriers, but it's equal access for both sides.
00:09:55.600 Amazing.
00:09:56.160 Here, watch this.
00:09:57.400 Already today, the United States and the European Union have a $1 trillion bilateral trade relationship, the largest economic relationship anywhere in the world.
00:10:09.040 We want to further strengthen this trade relationship to the benefit of all American and European citizens.
00:10:17.260 This is why we agreed today, first of all, to work together towards zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers, and zero subsidies on non-auto industrial goods.
00:10:32.740 Thank you.
00:10:33.120 Well, the stock market surged in the wake of that announcement.
00:10:37.080 They were nervous about a trade war.
00:10:38.600 They're celebrating this trade deal.
00:10:40.660 Record highs for the Dow Jones.
00:10:43.260 And look at this hilarious picture of Junker kissing Trump.
00:10:47.220 I don't know if he was drunk or sober, maybe a bit of both.
00:10:50.280 Maybe just relieved that he's not in a fight with Trump.
00:10:52.480 Junker kissed Trump, and Trump thought it was a funny enough moment that he tweeted it.
00:10:58.240 Look what he wrote.
00:10:59.260 It is funny.
00:11:00.080 He said, obviously, the European Union is represented by Junker, and the United States, as represented by yours truly, love each other.
00:11:07.880 Tell me that's not funny.
00:11:09.540 Tell me that's not funny.
00:11:10.900 That is funny.
00:11:11.980 I wonder what Nigel Farage thinks of that.
00:11:14.060 Trump has the best of all worlds.
00:11:15.300 He gets to insult the European when he wants to.
00:11:18.380 He gets a trade deal from them when he wants to.
00:11:20.520 He gets the photo op to Nigel Farage so far.
00:11:23.540 I like Nigel Farage, but he only has one of those three.
00:11:27.040 America first.
00:11:28.000 Hey, can we get a bit of that?
00:11:29.480 Can we get a bit of the Canada first action?
00:11:32.380 As in, maybe Justin Trudeau could get a deal with Trump, too.
00:11:34.980 We are far more reliant on the U.S. market than the Europeans are.
00:11:38.520 We are far more vulnerable through a trade war with Trump than the Europeans are.
00:11:42.560 Trump specifically has threatened our auto sector with a 20% tariff.
00:11:46.400 That would kill 160,000 jobs in Ontario almost immediately, say the Canadian banks.
00:11:51.280 So why doesn't Trudeau just go down to the White House like Junker did, swallow his pride
00:11:55.740 like Junker did, and get a deal with Trump like Jean-Claude Junker did?
00:12:00.800 You know that Junker hates Trump.
00:12:02.140 We know, of course, he does.
00:12:03.000 He's a European.
00:12:03.740 But he feared Trump more than he hated Trump.
00:12:06.680 So he got a good deal for the EU.
00:12:09.040 In what?
00:12:09.480 One day?
00:12:11.440 Do you think that's possible with Trump?
00:12:12.860 Of course it's possible with Trump.
00:12:13.840 He's a Manhattan property developer.
00:12:15.540 He moves fast.
00:12:17.340 It's Trudeau's fault that we don't have a deal now.
00:12:19.660 Remember these headlines?
00:12:20.920 For six months, Trudeau pushed demands on Trump that NAFTA have all sorts of weird inclusions
00:12:26.180 like feminism and global warming, things that don't belong in a trade treaty, things that
00:12:30.180 he knew, things that he knew Trump wasn't interested in, things that were just for Trudeau's
00:12:35.160 own virtue signaling back home.
00:12:36.660 So we don't have a deal with Trump.
00:12:39.680 Trudeau's being passive aggressive about it.
00:12:41.120 He's picking fights with Trump.
00:12:43.200 Gerald Butts, Trudeau's principal secretary, has more or less admitted in this tweet that
00:12:47.760 they want to fight with Trump to use it as a 2019 re-election tactic.
00:12:51.280 Vote for us.
00:12:51.840 We hate the evil Trump.
00:12:53.500 Imagine sacrificing 160,000 Ontario jobs just for a campaign slogan.
00:12:58.240 That's Trudeau and Butts.
00:12:59.320 But look at what Mexico's doing.
00:13:01.480 So Europe got their deal.
00:13:02.900 Now Mexico has a new president.
00:13:04.540 Did you know that?
00:13:05.040 He's a radical leftist.
00:13:06.360 Let me pronounce his name.
00:13:07.120 Andres Manuel López Obrador.
00:13:09.700 You know Trump's views on Mexico.
00:13:11.380 You know that other than China, it's the country he's most upset with when it comes
00:13:14.740 to trade and immigration.
00:13:17.100 But Trump is an opportunist in the best meaning of that word.
00:13:19.420 He looks for opportunity.
00:13:20.560 He just went from war to peace and a kiss with Junker in what, 24 hours?
00:13:24.620 And now with a new Mexican president, Trump sees a new opportunity, just like he's trying
00:13:28.440 to go from war to peace with North Korea, though that is obviously much more serious.
00:13:33.120 Look at this.
00:13:34.800 Congratulations to Andres Manuel López Obrador on becoming the next president of Mexico.
00:13:40.120 I look very much forward to working with him.
00:13:41.880 There is much to be done that will benefit both the United States and Mexico.
00:13:45.000 Hey, talk about turning over a new leaf.
00:13:46.840 Am I right?
00:13:47.360 That's Trump for you.
00:13:48.920 Now look at this headline.
00:13:50.520 Look at this.
00:13:51.620 So this is a week ago.
00:13:52.820 Trump says U.S. may have separate trade deal with Mexico.
00:13:57.000 And then underneath, can you see it there?
00:13:58.420 It says NAFTA ministers said to meet in Washington later this month.
00:14:02.180 Trump says relationship with a new Mexican president is great.
00:14:05.580 Isn't that amazing?
00:14:06.480 And then this news, just five days later, look how fast things are moving.
00:14:10.140 This headline, Mexico wants August NAFTA deal as Trump vows dramatic action.
00:14:16.380 An agreement would let next president focus on domestic issues.
00:14:19.420 Negotiation's set to pick up this week with Washington meetings.
00:14:22.920 Do you see how fast they're moving?
00:14:25.100 Trump sees an opportunity.
00:14:26.220 New Mexican president, new chance.
00:14:27.960 They're moving so quickly.
00:14:29.780 Trump wants a deal with Mexico in August.
00:14:31.960 August starts next week.
00:14:34.040 And why not?
00:14:35.220 He got a deal with Junker.
00:14:37.500 So that's Mexico.
00:14:39.960 In Canada, our prime minister is still on holidays.
00:14:45.140 Do you see that?
00:14:45.660 It says personal days.
00:14:46.480 He's still on holidays.
00:14:47.840 He's been on holidays for a week.
00:14:49.080 He doesn't care.
00:14:49.880 He doesn't care about a mass murder in Toronto.
00:14:51.740 He doesn't care about a trade deal with the U.S.
00:14:54.420 Everyone in the world is getting their trade deal with Trump.
00:14:56.640 And they're good trade deals.
00:14:58.160 They're good deals.
00:14:59.740 And by the way, Trump offered such a deal to Trudeau.
00:15:01.760 He said it in the form of a laugh.
00:15:04.120 The moment he sat down with Trudeau at the G7 summit.
00:15:06.680 But it's not a joke.
00:15:07.900 It's pretty much the deal that Junker just took.
00:15:10.280 Remember this?
00:15:11.880 Justin has agreed to cut all tariffs and all trade barriers between Canada and the United States.
00:15:19.840 That got a laugh.
00:15:20.420 But I'm sorry what's so funny about that.
00:15:21.900 Well, isn't that what free trade means?
00:15:23.980 Don't we actually have a free trade deal with the U.S. right now?
00:15:27.080 Isn't Trump in jest offering something to us that's amazing?
00:15:32.180 Free access to their huge market, the most important market in the world.
00:15:35.040 Don't we need that right now just to keep our auto industry, for example?
00:15:39.280 Why wouldn't Trudeau have responded, well, let's have a deal.
00:15:42.920 Let's do a deal.
00:15:45.040 Trudeau could have said, deal.
00:15:46.720 Let's have the lawyers write it up.
00:15:47.920 And Donald, let's just hang out and have fun in Quebec for the next day.
00:15:50.000 He could have said that, and it would have happened.
00:15:53.120 Why didn't we say yes?
00:15:54.640 Why didn't we take the yes there?
00:15:56.920 That's exactly what Trump and the EU are doing.
00:15:59.480 Zero tariffs.
00:16:01.120 So why was that taken as a joke?
00:16:03.620 The European Union has already agreed to buy a lot more U.S. agriculture and U.S. liquefied
00:16:08.620 natural gas, or LNG.
00:16:10.520 It's winning, winning, winning all the way.
00:16:12.060 Well, why can't we get a deal?
00:16:12.980 I know why, because Gerald Butts wants to fight, because Justin Trudeau wants to protect
00:16:18.040 the Quebec dairy cartel.
00:16:20.840 But Junker just took the same deal, and I bet Mexico will take it too.
00:16:26.040 And who knows what will come out of Donald Trump's negotiations with Russia.
00:16:29.540 I don't know.
00:16:30.200 Canada is being run by a man-child in Justin Trudeau, who's being manipulated by an extreme
00:16:34.720 ideologue in Gerald Butts.
00:16:36.360 Trump is getting his deals.
00:16:37.920 He's a dealmaker.
00:16:39.000 He's working on a deal with North Korea.
00:16:40.560 He got a better deal from NATO.
00:16:42.400 They're spending more money on the military now.
00:16:43.960 He just got a huge EU trade deal.
00:16:46.260 He'll get his Mexico deal, I bet, with people who hate him, and people who he surely hates
00:16:51.920 in return, but he's a grown-up.
00:16:53.380 In Manhattan property deals, you deal with people you hate all day long, and you make
00:16:56.600 billions of dollars if you can do it.
00:16:58.680 Donald Trump is making trillion-dollar deals now for Americans and for others, too.
00:17:03.000 I am sorry to make this prediction.
00:17:05.700 We're going to screw it up.
00:17:06.740 Canada's going to screw it up.
00:17:07.660 Justin Trudeau's going to screw it up.
00:17:08.800 The whole world is about to get better because of these deals, these trade deals, the whole
00:17:12.100 world.
00:17:12.800 But our petty little prince is keeping Canada out of those deals.
00:17:16.920 What a shame.
00:17:18.520 Stay with us for more.
00:17:19.440 You shut your lips right now and listen.
00:17:38.820 We are all free humans here.
00:17:40.140 We are going to be told by white trash what to do anymore.
00:17:44.140 Okay.
00:17:44.700 That is for sure.
00:17:46.100 You're talking to us.
00:17:48.020 I did nothing but respectful.
00:17:48.920 And we are working to build relations with our neighbors.
00:17:54.800 Take off.
00:17:55.480 I will be.
00:17:55.960 You have no right here.
00:17:58.860 I have every right to me.
00:17:59.520 You don't have any right.
00:18:01.160 Of course I do.
00:18:01.840 Let me see your Indian status card.
00:18:03.680 I don't need any Indian status card.
00:18:04.080 Let me see your Indian status card.
00:18:05.960 I can show you my card.
00:18:06.460 Then you don't have that right.
00:18:07.780 Now take off.
00:18:09.060 No, sir.
00:18:09.500 That's not how it works.
00:18:10.500 That's how it works.
00:18:11.700 If you're not on your best behavior, you have to leave.
00:18:14.520 We're not here to agitate you.
00:18:15.360 Take off.
00:18:16.340 None of that is true.
00:18:16.960 Take off.
00:18:18.140 Opinions are not the law.
00:18:19.060 Take off.
00:18:19.920 We're not here to agitate you.
00:18:22.280 Don't touch me.
00:18:23.540 We're not here to agitate you.
00:18:24.500 You're touching me with your violent presence.
00:18:28.460 You don't need to do that.
00:18:29.420 Yeah, I do.
00:18:29.920 No, that's not necessary.
00:18:31.120 Yeah, you're filming us without consent.
00:18:32.680 You can leave.
00:18:33.600 This is...
00:18:34.320 Well, I'm going to be back.
00:18:35.600 Hey, you...
00:18:36.240 Don't f***ing touch me.
00:18:37.720 No, don't f***ing touch me.
00:18:39.840 I have you guys to go.
00:18:40.460 It's time to go.
00:18:43.380 You guys...
00:18:44.220 It's time to go.
00:18:45.300 It's time to go.
00:18:46.240 It's time to go.
00:18:47.180 I literally came here to take photos.
00:18:48.580 It's time...
00:18:48.920 That disgraceful scene happened in Burnaby, B.C.
00:18:51.640 at the illegal slum shantytown
00:18:54.900 by professional actors and other paid protesters
00:18:58.080 against the Kinder Morgan Pipeline expansion.
00:19:01.340 Not only are they super gross,
00:19:03.200 and as you can see,
00:19:04.440 the racists calling Andrew Mann white trash,
00:19:07.380 making racial demands that he prove his aboriginal status
00:19:11.060 before standing on the public road.
00:19:13.060 It looks like they assaulted the person holding the camera.
00:19:16.920 We'll talk to Andrew in a minute about this.
00:19:18.920 But they're all in contravention of an order by the public,
00:19:24.300 by the Burnaby municipality,
00:19:26.960 to vacate their illegal shantytown.
00:19:31.100 Well, joining us now is Andrew Mann,
00:19:33.820 the person in that video.
00:19:36.040 He's with Suits and Boots.
00:19:38.040 And he joins us now.
00:19:38.900 Andrew, nice to meet you.
00:19:39.940 Tell me a little bit more about what we saw there.
00:19:44.240 Who was holding the camera?
00:19:45.740 What happened when they were jostled?
00:19:47.780 Give us a few more facts.
00:19:50.380 Yeah.
00:19:50.740 All right.
00:19:51.100 So the main fact I want to start off with, Ezra,
00:19:53.420 is that I didn't go up there as a...
00:19:56.600 Well, they didn't know I was a Suits and Boots supporter
00:19:59.040 when I was up there.
00:19:59.860 What Suits and Boots first?
00:20:00.860 Let me stop you right there.
00:20:01.720 It sounds great.
00:20:02.320 Yeah.
00:20:02.720 Okay.
00:20:03.100 So Suits and Boots is great.
00:20:04.940 Suits and Boots is a non-for-profit,
00:20:08.600 pro-resource lobbying group.
00:20:11.140 We are out and about trying to garner support
00:20:14.640 for our resource sector in Canada
00:20:16.160 and trying to counter the protesters
00:20:19.340 that seem to be getting away with far too much aggression,
00:20:22.720 that seem to be getting away with...
00:20:24.320 It's just they're getting leeway from the media
00:20:27.520 and from the politicians
00:20:29.000 to do essentially what they want, when they want,
00:20:32.940 and Suits and Boots,
00:20:34.620 we just decided it was about time
00:20:36.240 that somebody stood up for the working man,
00:20:38.200 the jobs, and the resource sector,
00:20:39.740 and that's our job.
00:20:40.720 So are you the Suits side or the Boots side?
00:20:43.560 I'm the Boots side.
00:20:44.740 If you're looking behind me here,
00:20:46.380 you can see a blank white wall,
00:20:48.320 and I'm just sitting in a little corner
00:20:49.520 on our job site right now.
00:20:50.960 Well, thanks for having me.
00:20:51.720 So are you an electrician?
00:20:52.920 Is that your background?
00:20:54.780 I'm an electrician, yes, sir.
00:20:56.060 Right on.
00:20:56.380 You're a working man,
00:20:57.340 and there'd be a lot of jobs
00:20:58.900 that would come from any of these construction projects.
00:21:01.300 They're multi-billion dollar
00:21:02.440 shovel-ready construction projects.
00:21:04.620 It's incredible that they're blocked by some hippies.
00:21:07.240 So you went up there,
00:21:08.440 and you were very well behaved,
00:21:10.060 at least in the clip I saw.
00:21:11.220 You did not swear.
00:21:12.340 You were not antagonistic.
00:21:13.500 You were not physical.
00:21:15.020 All the things that happened to you,
00:21:16.620 tell me a little bit more about what they said and did,
00:21:18.660 and who was it holding the camera?
00:21:20.040 Was that your wife?
00:21:22.620 That was my fiancée holding the camera, actually.
00:21:25.340 And it sounds like she looked like she was pushed.
00:21:27.400 Was she pushed?
00:21:29.080 Yes, she was pushed.
00:21:30.620 You can hear at the end of the video,
00:21:32.480 I came down with the most thunderous voice
00:21:35.880 I think I could muster up saying,
00:21:37.680 you stay away from her.
00:21:39.360 You don't touch her.
00:21:40.400 And that's because, well, they touched it.
00:21:42.840 And you know, as the man in that relationship,
00:21:44.640 it's my job to jump in and ensure her safety.
00:21:47.240 And that's exactly what I did.
00:21:48.460 Well, you're exactly right.
00:21:49.400 And it's telling to me
00:21:51.020 that they didn't have the courage to push you around.
00:21:54.120 I mean, they came right in your face.
00:21:55.480 That was pretty gross.
00:21:56.620 And I think he brushed up against you.
00:21:58.500 But classic Antifa move,
00:22:00.980 classic alt-left cowards,
00:22:03.180 they go after the woman.
00:22:04.420 It always happens.
00:22:05.740 They've done it to our reporters, too.
00:22:07.340 Sheila Gunn-Reed,
00:22:08.560 when Lauren Southern was with us,
00:22:10.300 Faith Goldie,
00:22:11.400 they always beat up
00:22:13.560 or try to beat up the women.
00:22:15.120 And I think it says a lot about them, doesn't it?
00:22:19.660 I couldn't tell you why they do that,
00:22:21.920 but you're correct.
00:22:22.720 It seems they go for the easy target,
00:22:24.660 the low-hanging fruit.
00:22:26.320 Victoria is five feet tall.
00:22:28.120 I'd be surprised if she weighed over 100 pounds.
00:22:30.420 She is the easiest target you could find.
00:22:32.360 And the protesters after the video cutout
00:22:36.540 told me to go back to my car
00:22:37.800 with my underage girlfriend.
00:22:39.660 Well, she's not underage, first of all.
00:22:42.080 She's exactly my age.
00:22:43.760 And they assaulted her,
00:22:46.280 which leads me to think
00:22:47.300 they, in their mind,
00:22:48.380 just assaulted a minor.
00:22:50.100 How is that logical?
00:22:51.520 So that is, theoretically,
00:22:53.300 the lowest-hanging fruit.
00:22:54.540 An under-100-pound minor female
00:22:56.600 is what, in their head,
00:22:57.860 they assaulted at that time.
00:22:59.100 Now, we sent our own Sheila Gunn-Reed
00:23:01.340 to that same location a few days ago.
00:23:03.680 We knew that they would come
00:23:05.240 and try and rough her up
00:23:06.200 because they've done it before.
00:23:07.140 So we sent a professional security guard.
00:23:10.340 And because of that,
00:23:11.820 she was okay
00:23:12.480 and our cameraman was okay.
00:23:14.500 Were there any private security
00:23:16.700 or police there?
00:23:18.080 Was there a police car?
00:23:19.160 Did any authority observe this altercation?
00:23:23.620 No, sir.
00:23:24.380 There was no private security
00:23:26.000 and there was no RCMP presence up there.
00:23:31.280 When did this all happen, by the way?
00:23:32.800 When did that video,
00:23:33.900 when was it filmed?
00:23:35.400 It was filmed Monday night
00:23:36.520 at around 7 p.m.
00:23:37.600 All right.
00:23:38.060 So I know for a fact,
00:23:39.500 because I've seen a copy of it,
00:23:41.000 the city has issued an injunction,
00:23:43.020 which is basically a way of saying
00:23:44.380 a court, a legal order,
00:23:45.740 a legal order saying,
00:23:46.860 get out,
00:23:47.480 we're going to clear out
00:23:48.440 your shantytown, your slum.
00:23:50.560 Sounds like they're still there.
00:23:51.680 Is that right?
00:23:53.660 Oh, they're clearly still there.
00:23:55.140 I hear the deadline was
00:23:56.380 6 a.m. Saturday morning
00:23:57.960 for them to be a vacated site.
00:24:00.160 And they're clearly still on site.
00:24:02.520 They don't intend to leave.
00:24:06.520 And I think they will do
00:24:08.720 whatever they need to to stay.
00:24:10.200 They don't want to leave their site.
00:24:11.840 You know, you have two people.
00:24:13.800 They may be mentally ill.
00:24:14.920 I don't know.
00:24:15.320 You have an older man
00:24:16.880 and a middle-aged woman there.
00:24:18.320 I don't think it would be tough
00:24:19.380 to very gently pick them up,
00:24:21.240 put them in the back of a police vehicle,
00:24:22.760 take them to court or whatever.
00:24:24.460 I mean, I don't think it,
00:24:25.400 like it doesn't look like
00:24:26.320 these are heavily armed bodybuilders.
00:24:29.140 I think really half a dozen police
00:24:30.780 could come and clear this whole thing up
00:24:32.660 and then you bring in, you know,
00:24:33.940 a 1-800-got-junk truck
00:24:37.060 to pick up their shantytown.
00:24:38.740 Like, it should not be
00:24:39.600 a logistically difficult thing to do
00:24:41.480 other than the lack of political will.
00:24:44.240 There is no one in Burnaby,
00:24:45.840 whether it's a police, prosecutor,
00:24:48.200 politician, or the press,
00:24:50.200 willing to go in and fix this problem.
00:24:52.420 I mean, the fact that
00:24:53.360 they're defying the order...
00:24:54.140 Oh, you know, I would like to just...
00:24:57.140 I wouldn't say there's not a police.
00:24:59.040 And I can't speak for the political side there
00:25:01.020 because I don't get involved
00:25:01.920 in Burnaby politics.
00:25:03.540 But the police officers that came
00:25:05.520 and assisted me in trying
00:25:07.020 to find my license plate
00:25:08.200 and to take the report after the assault,
00:25:11.380 they were interested
00:25:12.980 in the clearing of the camp.
00:25:15.440 They didn't seem to want it there.
00:25:16.920 They understood that they have
00:25:18.300 to follow orders from their superiors.
00:25:20.120 Got it.
00:25:20.400 So I'd say it's unfair to say
00:25:21.640 there's not a single police in Burnaby
00:25:23.020 that wants that gone.
00:25:24.000 Thank you for the correction.
00:25:25.320 I accept your point.
00:25:26.140 The beat cops are probably sick of it,
00:25:28.380 but the brass are political.
00:25:30.180 I appreciate that important distinction.
00:25:32.700 Again, that's sort of
00:25:33.340 a boots and suits distinction.
00:25:34.660 The boots.
00:25:35.240 The boots on the ground,
00:25:36.320 the cops on the beat
00:25:37.180 want these hippies and hobos gone.
00:25:39.580 But the political brass
00:25:40.860 are paying attention
00:25:41.560 to what John Horgan, the premier,
00:25:43.260 or Justin Trudeau,
00:25:44.120 the prime minister,
00:25:44.740 have to say.
00:25:45.120 That's my theory.
00:25:47.520 Well, it's probably
00:25:48.680 not an incorrect theory.
00:25:51.040 So it sounds like
00:25:52.360 you have filed a police report.
00:25:54.660 You've got the video evidence,
00:25:56.480 or at least partial video evidence.
00:25:58.140 Do you think the police
00:25:59.320 will take any action?
00:26:00.980 Because I think,
00:26:01.860 I'm not sure if what happened to you
00:26:03.320 could be called an assault.
00:26:04.460 Maybe.
00:26:05.460 But it looks like
00:26:06.740 what happened to your fiancé
00:26:07.920 definitely was.
00:26:08.720 So in the video,
00:26:11.060 what happened to me was,
00:26:12.740 you can see that I clearly
00:26:14.040 got brushed by that elder.
00:26:16.000 And I would never press charges
00:26:17.480 on him for any reason.
00:26:18.620 I can respect him enough
00:26:19.700 to not instigate any further.
00:26:22.600 The young fellow
00:26:23.340 that pushed my fiancé
00:26:24.640 also shoved me around too.
00:26:27.340 And at the end of the video,
00:26:29.680 you'll have to pay real good attention,
00:26:31.180 Ezra,
00:26:31.420 but I advise that you watch
00:26:33.360 the last 10 seconds of the video.
00:26:35.320 You'll see on the ground,
00:26:36.300 there is an aluminum piece of metal
00:26:38.760 that's used to support road signs
00:26:41.040 on construction sites
00:26:41.980 laying on the ground.
00:26:42.940 And you'll see it in the video,
00:26:44.380 and then you'll see it get picked up,
00:26:45.780 and then you'll see the shadow of it
00:26:47.080 facing directly at my body
00:26:48.760 in the video.
00:26:49.940 And the scrawny guy
00:26:52.380 who shoved Victoria
00:26:54.480 and also shoved me
00:26:55.420 picked up that piece of aluminum
00:26:57.340 in attempts to joust me
00:26:58.880 back to my car.
00:26:59.960 And then followed my fiancé
00:27:01.820 back to the car with it.
00:27:03.040 No, you don't need to do that.
00:27:05.580 No, that's not necessary.
00:27:07.320 Yeah, you're filming us
00:27:08.100 without consent.
00:27:08.880 You can leave.
00:27:09.800 This is...
00:27:10.540 Well, I'm going to be back.
00:27:11.800 Hey, you...
00:27:12.440 Don't f***ing touch me.
00:27:13.920 No, don't f***ing touch me.
00:27:16.040 I have to go.
00:27:16.640 It's time to go.
00:27:17.200 Okay.
00:27:19.660 You guys...
00:27:20.440 It's time to go.
00:27:21.500 It's time to go.
00:27:22.440 It's time to go.
00:27:23.380 I literally came here
00:27:24.300 to take photos.
00:27:25.320 Well, there you go.
00:27:26.020 So did you give this video
00:27:27.540 evidence to the police?
00:27:30.080 Instantly.
00:27:30.700 The police,
00:27:31.320 they arrived,
00:27:32.380 pulled out their laptop.
00:27:33.300 I plugged my phone
00:27:34.040 into their laptop
00:27:34.700 and he transferred the file.
00:27:36.780 All right.
00:27:37.320 Well, listen,
00:27:37.700 I hope they do something.
00:27:38.820 I got to tell you,
00:27:40.040 I accept your observation
00:27:42.100 that the deep cops,
00:27:44.220 the actual police
00:27:45.020 on the street,
00:27:45.660 want to uphold the law.
00:27:47.240 No one goes
00:27:47.800 to the police academy
00:27:48.800 saying,
00:27:49.300 I want to be
00:27:49.680 a political hack.
00:27:50.780 They want to go
00:27:51.500 uphold the law.
00:27:52.620 Or saying they want
00:27:53.780 to be a pushover.
00:27:54.840 Yeah.
00:27:55.100 What police officer
00:27:56.420 do you know
00:27:56.980 on the ground
00:27:57.620 admits to wanting
00:27:58.960 to be a pushover?
00:28:00.200 None of them.
00:28:00.960 They want to uphold the law.
00:28:02.600 Well, this will be up
00:28:03.500 to the prosecutors
00:28:04.220 who are intensely political,
00:28:05.740 I fear.
00:28:06.420 Well, listen, Andrew,
00:28:07.100 I'm glad you're safe.
00:28:07.840 I'm glad your fiancé is safe
00:28:09.060 and I'm glad you videoed it.
00:28:11.260 I'm afraid that,
00:28:13.220 well, we'll have to find out.
00:28:14.480 I do not think
00:28:15.180 that there is a political will
00:28:16.300 to clear these rubby-dubs.
00:28:17.880 They should be gone
00:28:18.660 in an hour
00:28:19.380 and the pipeline
00:28:20.660 should proceed.
00:28:21.780 But I fear
00:28:22.880 that no one in authority
00:28:24.100 has that courage.
00:28:24.900 I'm glad you do
00:28:25.600 and congratulations to you
00:28:26.880 and the Boots and Suits team.
00:28:29.740 Yeah, well, I think
00:28:30.640 we have the momentum.
00:28:32.040 I think that maybe
00:28:33.180 the political will
00:28:34.040 isn't there,
00:28:34.920 but the issue for eviction
00:28:35.960 has been made by the city.
00:28:39.540 And maybe I'm a bit
00:28:42.080 of an optimist,
00:28:42.800 but I think that this event
00:28:43.740 was the catalyst
00:28:44.440 for people getting involved
00:28:46.000 in doing something.
00:28:47.120 I can't see a reason
00:28:48.560 for the city of Burnaby
00:28:49.640 to keep this going
00:28:51.520 much longer
00:28:52.120 where it is an actual
00:28:53.440 hazard to safety
00:28:54.520 of the citizens of Burnaby
00:28:55.680 and the residential area
00:28:57.180 of Burnaby Mountains.
00:28:59.380 So I want to say
00:29:01.980 that something might happen.
00:29:03.200 I'm very optimistic
00:29:04.240 and forward-looking here.
00:29:05.460 And, you know,
00:29:06.060 the sooner something happens,
00:29:07.120 the sooner we get
00:29:07.680 those shovels in the ground
00:29:08.580 and the sooner
00:29:09.020 those jobs are made.
00:29:10.000 We need to get our oil
00:29:11.520 workers back to work.
00:29:12.820 Well, you're a young guy.
00:29:14.000 You're working hard.
00:29:14.760 You're in love.
00:29:15.260 You're engaged.
00:29:15.940 Everything's positive
00:29:16.760 and happy to you.
00:29:18.100 I'm old and cynical.
00:29:18.980 I've seen the mayor of Burnaby
00:29:20.400 positively say
00:29:21.940 that he would be
00:29:22.740 a protester too.
00:29:24.000 So you be the young pup,
00:29:26.060 the optimist,
00:29:26.760 I'll be the old dog
00:29:28.200 who's a pessimist
00:29:29.160 and maybe my expectations
00:29:31.860 will be exceeded.
00:29:32.700 I hope you're right, Andrew.
00:29:33.840 I just...
00:29:34.480 It'll do well for us
00:29:37.560 if they get out of there.
00:29:39.520 And, you know,
00:29:40.140 I'm very happy
00:29:41.360 that we were able
00:29:42.600 to get on top of this
00:29:43.520 and show that
00:29:44.420 this is like it up there
00:29:45.300 because the last thing
00:29:46.460 I want is for some children
00:29:47.640 or anybody going around
00:29:48.720 in that community
00:29:49.420 to be treated unfairly,
00:29:51.480 to be shown racist behavior
00:29:53.800 towards them
00:29:54.560 or get aggressive
00:29:55.600 just for being in the area.
00:29:57.360 And I had to thank
00:29:58.820 the media last night
00:30:00.500 for coming out
00:30:02.080 and asking them
00:30:03.200 what I asked them to say.
00:30:04.220 I just wanted to
00:30:05.200 let the Burnaby RCMP
00:30:06.520 know in the Burnaby city
00:30:08.100 that we need to issue
00:30:09.740 a statement saying
00:30:10.760 that it's unsafe
00:30:11.400 to go up there.
00:30:12.200 And I think they've got the memo.
00:30:14.060 Yeah, great.
00:30:14.740 Well, listen,
00:30:15.660 I'm glad you're doing...
00:30:16.840 Should we go ahead?
00:30:18.120 I just wanted to
00:30:19.540 bring this up,
00:30:20.640 breaking news.
00:30:21.440 I just got an update
00:30:22.680 from my fiance
00:30:23.540 who's been very active
00:30:24.660 in keeping me up to date
00:30:25.640 while I'm at work.
00:30:26.360 She's at home
00:30:26.780 taking care of the house
00:30:27.640 and I'm here,
00:30:28.820 you know, working.
00:30:29.620 And she just sent me a message.
00:30:31.420 Would you mind
00:30:31.820 if I read it to you?
00:30:32.540 Go ahead, yeah.
00:30:34.260 Check out this one guy.
00:30:36.420 I'll tell you his name.
00:30:37.940 His name is Kelvin Gawley.
00:30:39.720 Check out Kelvin Gawley's
00:30:41.040 latest tweet.
00:30:42.120 Burnaby is seeking
00:30:43.120 court order
00:30:43.800 to force Camp Cloud
00:30:44.780 to leave.
00:30:45.720 Great thing,
00:30:46.220 I just received that text
00:30:47.220 at 1117 Pacific Time.
00:30:49.660 Well, I hope
00:30:50.520 something comes from it,
00:30:52.240 but you know what?
00:30:55.020 I hope you're right,
00:30:56.060 Andrew.
00:30:56.340 I hope I'm wrong.
00:30:57.160 I hope you're optimistic
00:30:57.900 and hope are redeemed
00:30:59.260 and vindicated
00:30:59.900 and I'm glad you're fighting
00:31:00.960 because we need this pipeline
00:31:03.480 for moral reasons
00:31:04.780 and rule of law reasons
00:31:05.980 as well as...
00:31:07.080 That's what I...
00:31:08.660 Rule of law.
00:31:09.820 It's very important
00:31:11.060 that we keep that in mind.
00:31:12.500 It's the rule of law
00:31:13.260 and I was very careful
00:31:14.520 I was up there
00:31:15.080 to not step out
00:31:16.860 of the boundaries
00:31:17.420 that the law puts around me
00:31:18.640 and I think that is why
00:31:20.000 we came across the well
00:31:21.020 in that video
00:31:21.620 because we followed
00:31:22.540 the rule of law.
00:31:23.500 Good for you.
00:31:24.400 Well, you know what?
00:31:25.180 Maybe, Andrew,
00:31:25.800 maybe you're giving me
00:31:26.600 a little bit of hope here too.
00:31:28.480 I'm glad you're picking up
00:31:29.580 the torch and fighting it.
00:31:30.700 I mean,
00:31:30.880 it's been a long battle
00:31:32.620 and I'm glad
00:31:33.160 you've got enthusiasm
00:31:34.080 and hopefully
00:31:35.800 you'll have a result
00:31:36.620 and keep it up
00:31:37.140 and stay safe, okay?
00:31:38.900 Yeah, hey,
00:31:39.600 one quick thing for you, Ezra.
00:31:40.680 I just wanted to see
00:31:41.580 if I could say this.
00:31:43.400 Suits and Boots,
00:31:44.160 just on behalf
00:31:44.880 of the organization,
00:31:46.200 we're fairly new.
00:31:47.220 You've probably done
00:31:47.780 your research into us
00:31:48.580 since we opened.
00:31:49.280 We only opened up
00:31:50.080 as our first event
00:31:50.960 was May 26th,
00:31:52.160 the Rally for Resources
00:31:52.960 here in BC.
00:31:53.840 Right.
00:31:54.920 We're going to be doing
00:31:55.920 a tour.
00:31:57.400 We're going to be going around
00:31:58.540 and we're going to start
00:31:59.560 spreading the word
00:32:01.260 about resource development
00:32:02.280 in BC.
00:32:02.700 We're really trying
00:32:03.440 to, as you said,
00:32:04.480 pick up that torch
00:32:05.320 and walk with it
00:32:06.160 and make sure
00:32:06.560 that people know
00:32:07.120 that there are
00:32:07.900 organizations fighting
00:32:09.560 for the jobs
00:32:10.140 of the oil workers
00:32:10.900 and we're going
00:32:11.360 to be going around.
00:32:12.320 What's your website
00:32:12.880 where people can find them?
00:32:13.780 My website is
00:32:14.420 suitsandboots.ca.
00:32:16.940 All of our information
00:32:17.860 is there.
00:32:19.440 Anything that your viewers
00:32:21.240 or listeners
00:32:21.760 are going to want to see
00:32:22.660 on our organization
00:32:23.800 is all on the website.
00:32:25.900 Good.
00:32:26.140 Well, I like your style
00:32:27.100 and the fact
00:32:28.500 that you're getting out
00:32:29.080 and organizing.
00:32:30.160 Keep us posted.
00:32:30.760 We'd love to stay
00:32:32.760 in touch with you
00:32:33.320 and help spread the word.
00:32:34.540 We can maybe even
00:32:35.100 send out an email
00:32:35.840 to our people
00:32:36.440 in the region
00:32:36.880 who might be interested.
00:32:37.780 So let's continue
00:32:38.740 this conversation offline.
00:32:39.960 But for now,
00:32:40.800 thanks for giving us
00:32:41.460 the report
00:32:41.920 and it sounds like
00:32:43.680 you're not done fighting
00:32:44.340 and that you're
00:32:45.200 my kind of guy.
00:32:46.500 Thanks for giving us
00:32:47.760 the news.
00:32:49.180 Thanks, Ezra.
00:32:49.680 You have a great day
00:32:50.500 and stay safe out there.
00:32:52.160 Yeah, you sure will.
00:32:53.500 Well, there you have it.
00:32:54.840 Andrew Mann.
00:32:55.700 What a good egg, eh?
00:32:56.780 I enjoyed meeting him.
00:32:58.560 He's the boots part
00:32:59.620 of the Suits and Boots.
00:33:00.680 He's an electrician.
00:33:01.380 Joined us from the job site.
00:33:03.120 But he and his fiancé
00:33:04.420 went out there
00:33:05.260 to confront the bad guys
00:33:06.680 and I'm glad
00:33:07.540 they weren't hurt
00:33:08.500 in a serious way.
00:33:09.980 But you saw
00:33:10.680 the lawlessness
00:33:11.500 that's there
00:33:12.740 and Andrew's hopeful.
00:33:14.440 Maybe I shouldn't be cynical
00:33:15.500 but I've just been
00:33:16.480 disappointed so many times
00:33:17.640 in the politicians
00:33:18.360 and the prosecutors
00:33:19.960 in this country
00:33:20.620 so we'll see.
00:33:21.560 All right.
00:33:22.340 Stay with us.
00:33:23.000 More ahead on the road.
00:33:35.240 Well, it was about
00:33:36.040 two years ago
00:33:36.640 that I first read
00:33:37.300 something absolutely terrifying
00:33:38.720 written by Eric Schmidt,
00:33:40.560 senior executive at Google.
00:33:42.040 He was writing
00:33:42.480 in the New York Times
00:33:43.540 dreaming about a future,
00:33:46.160 his vision for the future
00:33:47.620 of technology
00:33:48.500 and the internet.
00:33:49.780 And there's one phrase
00:33:50.760 that he used
00:33:51.420 that has stuck with me
00:33:52.480 ever since.
00:33:53.780 He said
00:33:55.460 he wanted to develop
00:33:57.360 a spell check
00:33:59.740 but for hate.
00:34:02.440 As in,
00:34:03.160 if you had an idea
00:34:04.280 that had the wrong emotion,
00:34:06.800 the wrong feeling,
00:34:08.220 something that you
00:34:09.660 thought was hateful
00:34:11.200 or that he thought
00:34:11.980 was hateful,
00:34:13.040 your computer would
00:34:14.320 delete that,
00:34:15.520 auto-correct it,
00:34:16.460 just like if you type
00:34:17.880 in the wrong word
00:34:18.840 it would fix it for you.
00:34:21.160 Today we see
00:34:22.200 Jack Dorsey,
00:34:24.000 the president of Twitter,
00:34:25.700 talking about
00:34:26.500 ensuring that
00:34:27.300 conversations are
00:34:28.560 healthy.
00:34:30.100 But if you say
00:34:30.840 things that are not healthy,
00:34:32.180 they'll be corrected too.
00:34:34.040 That's bad enough
00:34:34.820 when it comes to ideas
00:34:36.120 and censorship.
00:34:37.460 But what about
00:34:38.160 when it goes one level
00:34:39.220 deeper in the internet?
00:34:40.620 If you are no longer
00:34:42.320 allowed to even
00:34:43.240 process credit cards
00:34:44.980 or accept money
00:34:46.640 from your viewers
00:34:47.420 because some
00:34:48.660 far-left-wing
00:34:50.120 alt-left executive
00:34:51.700 like Eric Schmidt
00:34:53.000 or Jack Dorsey
00:34:53.780 says,
00:34:54.740 you have the wrong feelings.
00:34:56.220 Your conversations
00:34:56.920 are not healthy enough.
00:34:59.600 Well, a man
00:35:00.000 who follows this beat
00:35:00.900 more closely
00:35:01.460 than anyone else
00:35:02.320 in the world
00:35:02.840 is our friend
00:35:03.960 Alan Bokhari.
00:35:05.460 He is the
00:35:06.260 Breitbart News
00:35:07.380 senior technology
00:35:08.660 correspondent
00:35:09.300 and he joins us
00:35:10.580 now via Skype.
00:35:11.420 Alan, great to see you again.
00:35:12.500 Welcome back to the show.
00:35:14.460 Thanks, Ezra.
00:35:15.000 Good to be here.
00:35:15.920 You know, I've just read
00:35:16.960 your very comprehensive
00:35:18.100 report called
00:35:18.880 Stripe, PayPal, Patreon.
00:35:22.120 The right is being banned
00:35:23.500 from online fundraising.
00:35:25.480 Not just fundraising,
00:35:26.440 any sort of commerce at all.
00:35:28.300 Tell me,
00:35:28.920 I mean, I think most of our viewers
00:35:30.180 are familiar with PayPal
00:35:31.180 because that's what we use
00:35:32.780 here at The Rebel.
00:35:33.420 We use Stripe as well.
00:35:34.920 Patreon.
00:35:35.620 I think we've heard of it.
00:35:36.460 A lot of our viewers,
00:35:37.240 it's what Dr. Jordan Peterson uses.
00:35:40.100 But between those three companies,
00:35:42.560 they pretty much dominate
00:35:44.700 online commerce
00:35:45.660 the same way Google
00:35:46.560 dominates search.
00:35:47.540 Am I right?
00:35:48.680 More or less,
00:35:49.220 there are two levels
00:35:50.000 of online fundraising.
00:35:51.380 There are these
00:35:51.820 crowdfunding platforms
00:35:53.640 which are essentially
00:35:54.460 fundraising,
00:35:57.300 fundraising online.
00:35:58.340 So in the same way
00:35:58.920 that in the past
00:35:59.800 people would like
00:36:00.340 go around with a tin
00:36:01.380 and collect donations.
00:36:03.420 Patreon is a bit like that.
00:36:04.700 And there are also other sites
00:36:05.820 like GoFundMe
00:36:06.460 and Kickstarter
00:36:06.980 where people are allowed
00:36:07.780 to create campaigns,
00:36:10.180 create causes
00:36:10.880 and allow people
00:36:11.460 to donate to them.
00:36:12.420 You can also develop
00:36:13.580 an income stream
00:36:15.380 through Patreon.
00:36:16.040 This is what Jordan Peterson does.
00:36:17.120 It's what many figures
00:36:19.340 on the right do.
00:36:20.660 Many YouTubers,
00:36:21.380 I got off to CAD,
00:36:22.500 Laura M. Southen,
00:36:23.060 used to have a Patreon
00:36:23.640 before she got banned.
00:36:26.080 Brittany Pettipon
00:36:26.860 also got banned from Patreon.
00:36:28.140 It's a way for people,
00:36:29.340 because so much of content
00:36:30.800 on the internet is free,
00:36:32.100 whether it's making YouTube videos
00:36:33.720 or writing articles,
00:36:36.960 one of the ways
00:36:37.660 independent commentators
00:36:38.980 support themselves
00:36:39.560 is by allowing their fans
00:36:41.480 and their followers
00:36:42.020 to contribute to them
00:36:43.020 on a monthly basis
00:36:44.000 via platforms like Patreon.
00:36:46.500 And that essentially
00:36:48.260 is their income,
00:36:48.920 it's their livelihood.
00:36:50.020 The problem, of course,
00:36:51.040 is that these platforms,
00:36:52.480 especially Patreon,
00:36:53.420 increasingly,
00:36:55.180 are much like Twitter
00:36:56.020 and Facebook
00:36:56.540 run by people
00:36:58.660 who are pretty politically biased
00:37:00.160 and they enforce their rules
00:37:01.120 in an uneven manner.
00:37:02.680 And in my article,
00:37:03.800 I looked at two or three examples
00:37:05.980 where right-wing YouTubers
00:37:08.080 have been banned
00:37:08.840 from Patreon.
00:37:10.360 Brittany Pettipon
00:37:10.940 was the most recent.
00:37:12.400 They banned her
00:37:13.100 for supporting a group
00:37:13.860 called Defend Europe.
00:37:16.500 And Patreon argued
00:37:19.220 that this group
00:37:19.860 was a violent organization,
00:37:22.120 even though the group
00:37:22.520 specifically disannounced violence.
00:37:23.780 They'd never encouraged violence
00:37:25.260 to engage in violence
00:37:26.080 as far as I can tell.
00:37:27.820 But they used that excuse
00:37:29.080 and they banter anyway.
00:37:30.200 See, there's some websites
00:37:31.320 that we use, Indiegogo sometimes.
00:37:33.660 That's a crowdfunding website.
00:37:35.400 But there's a deeper level, too.
00:37:37.540 I mean, just any sort
00:37:39.220 of credit card transaction service.
00:37:41.500 Not even, I mean,
00:37:42.320 Patreon is more than just
00:37:44.600 a credit card facility.
00:37:45.740 It's a system.
00:37:47.960 You can put videos up.
00:37:49.320 You can build lists.
00:37:50.260 So it's a whole one-stop shop.
00:37:52.400 But at an infrastructure level
00:37:54.960 deeper than that,
00:37:55.920 this would really be like
00:37:57.200 Visa or MasterCard saying,
00:37:59.220 we don't like what you're doing,
00:38:02.600 so we're going to ban you
00:38:04.060 from using Visa or MasterCard.
00:38:06.780 Is that the analogy, Alan?
00:38:09.240 Basically, yes.
00:38:10.300 And the problem is
00:38:11.820 it's all interconnected.
00:38:12.720 So platforms like Patreon
00:38:14.260 and Kickstarter
00:38:14.840 rely on technologies
00:38:16.660 like PayPal and Stripe,
00:38:20.560 which process payments
00:38:21.680 through credit cards
00:38:23.300 like Visa and MasterCard.
00:38:26.400 So if Visa and MasterCard
00:38:28.040 decide to cut you off,
00:38:29.720 then you won't be able
00:38:31.300 to use PayPal or Stripe anyway.
00:38:33.020 And equally,
00:38:33.880 if Visa and MasterCard go to,
00:38:35.100 or a bank like Wells Fargo
00:38:36.620 go to companies like PayPal or Stripe
00:38:40.320 or who will then go to companies
00:38:42.860 like Patreon and Kickstarter
00:38:43.860 who rely on their service
00:38:44.640 and say,
00:38:45.100 well, you can't allow this person,
00:38:46.540 it creates kind of chain reactions.
00:38:48.860 So I'd say Patreon,
00:38:50.940 Patreon's like the third level.
00:38:52.160 Then there's processes
00:38:53.660 like PayPal and Stripe.
00:38:55.640 And then there's banks
00:38:56.480 and credit cards.
00:38:58.660 So at the very,
00:39:00.240 and banks and credit cards
00:39:01.300 have been known
00:39:01.780 to cut off people
00:39:02.300 for political reasons.
00:39:03.040 And it's not just people
00:39:03.660 on the right eye
00:39:04.260 that this goes all the way
00:39:05.060 back to 2011 and Wikileaks.
00:39:09.040 In 2011,
00:39:10.520 first PayPal cut off service
00:39:12.340 to Julian Assange and Wikileaks
00:39:14.160 and then MasterCard
00:39:15.000 and Visa followed suit.
00:39:16.420 So this has been happening
00:39:17.600 for a long time.
00:39:18.440 It's been happening
00:39:18.820 to anyone who's considered
00:39:20.140 beyond the pale
00:39:22.780 by the establishment
00:39:23.620 as Julian Assange was in 2011
00:39:25.200 probably still is.
00:39:27.380 So it's not even just the right,
00:39:30.020 although the right are
00:39:30.580 being particularly affected
00:39:31.460 right now.
00:39:33.020 And actually,
00:39:33.440 that's why
00:39:33.840 the Electronic Frontier Foundation,
00:39:36.480 which is a liberal group,
00:39:37.560 they advocate for liberal causes
00:39:38.740 like Obama's
00:39:39.840 net neutrality regulations.
00:39:41.040 They're concerned by this too.
00:39:42.100 They say that
00:39:42.780 banks and payment processes
00:39:44.620 are becoming
00:39:45.640 de facto internet censors.
00:39:47.900 Well, that's the thing.
00:39:48.520 I mean,
00:39:49.240 anyone who's opened up
00:39:51.060 an account with,
00:39:52.780 let's say, a law firm.
00:39:54.600 I mean,
00:39:54.740 we were doing business
00:39:56.080 in the UK.
00:39:56.860 We just worked
00:39:58.020 with a new law firm
00:39:59.360 to help Tommy Robinson.
00:40:00.660 Our viewers know that.
00:40:01.540 When you open a new account
00:40:03.420 with a law firm,
00:40:04.420 they have lots of
00:40:05.500 anti-money laundering rules
00:40:07.400 and know-your-client rules.
00:40:09.940 So we had to send them
00:40:11.680 our incorporation documents.
00:40:14.700 We had to prove
00:40:15.280 we were legit
00:40:15.980 because they wanted
00:40:17.140 to make sure
00:40:17.880 we weren't money laundering
00:40:19.440 drug money
00:40:20.100 or other proceeds of crime.
00:40:21.580 So I get it.
00:40:22.680 That was not
00:40:23.880 an ideological test.
00:40:25.340 It was to make sure
00:40:25.940 we weren't criminals.
00:40:27.280 And I was fine with that
00:40:28.220 and we do that all the time.
00:40:30.460 The names you've named,
00:40:31.820 Brittany Pettibone,
00:40:32.800 I think our former reporter
00:40:34.260 Faith Goldie
00:40:35.040 was just cut off
00:40:36.440 by PayPal too.
00:40:37.500 She was cut off
00:40:38.020 by PayPal, yes.
00:40:39.640 I mean,
00:40:40.100 I know Faith pretty well
00:40:41.220 and putting aside
00:40:42.260 whatever political comments
00:40:43.940 people might have,
00:40:45.360 she's never committed
00:40:46.220 a crime in her life.
00:40:47.240 She wouldn't hurt a mouse.
00:40:48.880 I mean,
00:40:50.080 that's what,
00:40:50.920 I accept banks
00:40:53.700 and other,
00:40:55.080 you know,
00:40:56.280 credit card facility,
00:40:57.760 whatever,
00:40:58.380 checking against crime
00:40:59.540 or terrorism,
00:41:01.000 you know,
00:41:01.340 for example.
00:41:02.840 But Brittany,
00:41:04.780 Pettibone,
00:41:05.660 Faith,
00:41:06.100 Goldie,
00:41:07.260 they're not even,
00:41:09.020 they're not even
00:41:10.460 five degrees
00:41:11.180 of separation
00:41:11.880 from crime.
00:41:13.420 That's what scares me
00:41:15.000 is this is pure politics
00:41:17.480 and if they can do that
00:41:18.500 to Faith,
00:41:18.940 they can do that to me,
00:41:19.940 they can do that to you
00:41:20.900 and pretty soon
00:41:21.800 you won't be able
00:41:22.580 to open a bank account
00:41:23.400 at all.
00:41:23.680 By the way,
00:41:24.120 Rebel UK was not,
00:41:26.160 no bank would open
00:41:27.160 an account for us
00:41:28.020 when Tommy Robinson
00:41:29.120 worked for us.
00:41:29.740 What do you make of that,
00:41:30.560 Alan?
00:41:31.220 Wow.
00:41:32.160 Wow,
00:41:32.680 that's the big news
00:41:34.060 in itself,
00:41:34.540 frankly.
00:41:34.980 I mean,
00:41:35.580 the way the banks
00:41:37.200 operate is pretty
00:41:37.800 insidious now.
00:41:38.640 I mean,
00:41:38.860 if you look at
00:41:41.240 what they're doing
00:41:41.680 in terms of
00:41:42.200 gun control
00:41:43.000 in America,
00:41:44.540 they're refusing
00:41:45.120 to work with businesses
00:41:46.220 that don't need
00:41:47.040 a range of
00:41:47.540 progressive demands
00:41:48.880 on gun control
00:41:49.560 like the sale
00:41:50.380 of bump stocks
00:41:51.120 and high capacity
00:41:52.080 magazines.
00:41:53.280 So now businesses
00:41:54.860 that are operating
00:41:56.780 legally in the US
00:41:57.660 in line with
00:41:58.640 the Second Amendment,
00:41:59.820 they can't work
00:42:00.880 with some of
00:42:01.220 these big banks.
00:42:02.560 So the way
00:42:04.320 that the financial
00:42:06.180 institutions
00:42:07.140 are being operated
00:42:07.720 at the moment
00:42:08.140 is kind of a way
00:42:08.960 to bypass democracy
00:42:10.200 and bypass constitutions
00:42:11.620 because it's essentially
00:42:12.560 a few executives
00:42:13.320 making a decision
00:42:14.120 to cut people
00:42:15.240 out of the
00:42:15.540 economic system
00:42:16.180 altogether.
00:42:17.780 You know,
00:42:18.540 it's done
00:42:21.120 when it's done
00:42:21.820 through the government,
00:42:22.980 like these money laundering
00:42:23.920 rules I've mentioned
00:42:24.840 and obviously
00:42:25.760 we comply with those.
00:42:26.980 We have a,
00:42:27.580 you know,
00:42:27.820 we're a legitimate company.
00:42:29.260 We have no problem
00:42:30.280 with those rules.
00:42:32.100 That's imposed
00:42:33.060 by the government.
00:42:34.380 But the kind of censorship
00:42:35.520 you have described
00:42:36.820 and by the way,
00:42:37.700 let's put it up
00:42:38.320 on the screen
00:42:38.760 so our viewers
00:42:39.340 can take a look
00:42:39.980 at it once more time.
00:42:41.360 The essay is called
00:42:42.440 Stripe, PayPal, Patreon.
00:42:43.760 The right is being banned
00:42:45.360 from online fundraising.
00:42:46.700 It's an article
00:42:47.080 on Breitbart.com.
00:42:50.080 That is not
00:42:51.000 a governmental decision
00:42:52.140 and so you don't have
00:42:53.060 the checks and balances.
00:42:54.600 When the rules are passed,
00:42:56.120 they're scrutinized
00:42:56.800 in a legislature.
00:42:58.240 They may be subject
00:42:58.980 to public comment
00:42:59.840 and committee
00:43:00.380 and amendments
00:43:00.960 and votes
00:43:01.540 so there's a transparency
00:43:02.860 in what the rules are
00:43:03.820 in the first place
00:43:04.760 and then how the rules
00:43:05.860 are applied.
00:43:07.940 There's the checks
00:43:08.660 and balances
00:43:09.180 in whatever legal
00:43:10.200 procedure is there.
00:43:11.320 I mean,
00:43:11.700 even if you're having
00:43:12.700 a fight,
00:43:13.280 let's say,
00:43:13.600 with Revenue Canada
00:43:15.000 or the IRS,
00:43:16.940 there's checks and balances.
00:43:18.320 You have certain rights
00:43:19.160 and appeals
00:43:20.240 but when you're shut down
00:43:21.760 by a credit card company,
00:43:23.060 PayPal, Patreon, Stripe,
00:43:24.500 there's no process.
00:43:25.660 They just announce it to you
00:43:27.180 and you can go pound sand
00:43:28.780 and if you look
00:43:29.300 at your terms of service,
00:43:31.260 they're written in a way
00:43:32.180 that you really have no rights.
00:43:33.400 They say,
00:43:33.800 take your business elsewhere.
00:43:35.400 I'm,
00:43:35.940 my terror,
00:43:37.100 my great fear,
00:43:38.220 Ellum,
00:43:38.460 is that the censorship
00:43:40.500 of the 21st century
00:43:41.640 will not be done
00:43:42.780 by governments.
00:43:44.140 It'll be done
00:43:44.920 by crony capitalists
00:43:46.520 in league with governments
00:43:47.880 to whom censorship
00:43:49.360 is outsourced
00:43:50.520 as,
00:43:51.800 and there's a quid pro quo
00:43:52.900 favor.
00:43:54.080 PayPal, Stripe,
00:43:54.860 Patreon,
00:43:55.540 Facebook,
00:43:56.000 YouTube,
00:43:56.380 Google
00:43:56.680 will do this censorship
00:43:58.080 for politicians
00:43:58.940 and in return
00:44:00.060 they may get favors
00:44:01.100 whether it's tax treatment
00:44:02.480 or immunity
00:44:03.300 from other things.
00:44:04.580 That's terrifying
00:44:05.420 because it is
00:44:06.160 one big black box.
00:44:07.160 What do you think of that?
00:44:09.720 I totally agree.
00:44:10.960 I think the trend now
00:44:11.820 is for the left
00:44:12.780 to use cooperation.
00:44:13.860 I mean,
00:44:14.000 it's interesting
00:44:14.340 because then you have
00:44:14.760 the left used to be
00:44:15.300 so anti-corporation
00:44:16.300 and anti-capitalist
00:44:17.260 but now cooperation
00:44:18.840 are the great ally
00:44:19.580 of the left.
00:44:20.180 They're using them
00:44:20.700 to enact their policies
00:44:21.520 without winning
00:44:23.440 any form of elections.
00:44:25.740 You mentioned
00:44:26.480 that they'll tell you
00:44:28.520 to take that business
00:44:29.180 elsewhere
00:44:30.140 and that's the only thing
00:44:31.780 a lot of free market
00:44:32.580 libertarians would also say
00:44:33.560 well,
00:44:33.760 just build a competitor
00:44:34.620 to Patreon
00:44:35.040 if you don't like
00:44:35.520 what they're doing
00:44:35.980 but that's exactly
00:44:36.900 what people have done.
00:44:38.560 Lauren Southern
00:44:39.040 made her own
00:44:39.760 fundraising system
00:44:41.860 when she was banned
00:44:42.340 from Patreon
00:44:42.800 and Chuck Johnson
00:44:45.100 made his competitor
00:44:45.900 and there was another
00:44:46.460 competing service
00:44:47.520 called Maker Support
00:44:48.280 which was made
00:44:49.020 as a sort of
00:44:50.120 politically neutral
00:44:51.000 alternative to Patreon
00:44:52.520 and what happened
00:44:54.040 was they
00:44:54.460 striped
00:44:55.840 the payments process
00:44:57.280 initially agreed
00:44:58.840 to do business with
00:44:59.480 and then cut up
00:45:00.040 support entirely.
00:45:01.700 So it's not even possible
00:45:03.400 to build a competitor
00:45:04.460 if you can't
00:45:05.960 keep competing services
00:45:06.900 and you know
00:45:07.340 that goes beyond
00:45:08.320 crowdfunding platforms
00:45:10.080 just any platform
00:45:10.940 if you can't raise money
00:45:11.960 on the internet
00:45:12.520 how are you going to build
00:45:14.680 how are you going to build
00:45:15.440 these competing services?
00:45:17.800 Yeah, you know
00:45:18.180 and we learned a little bit
00:45:19.460 about that about a year ago
00:45:20.460 when our DNS server
00:45:23.780 I didn't even know
00:45:25.460 what that was
00:45:26.000 I still don't even really
00:45:26.940 know what that was
00:45:27.620 that's some deep part
00:45:29.240 of internet structure
00:45:30.520 infrastructure
00:45:31.560 just gave us
00:45:32.980 one day's notice
00:45:33.920 no explanation
00:45:34.680 no reason whatsoever
00:45:35.620 they said
00:45:36.060 we're kicking you off
00:45:37.420 in one day
00:45:37.940 find another DNS server
00:45:39.240 and
00:45:40.840 you know
00:45:43.020 if you can't find
00:45:44.860 another DNS service
00:45:45.740 you're effectively
00:45:46.240 banned from the entire internet
00:45:48.060 Yeah, and what's a DNS server
00:45:50.140 and I mean
00:45:50.520 I had never dealt with them
00:45:51.680 there's so many
00:45:53.100 deep levels
00:45:53.840 of the internet
00:45:55.000 that
00:45:55.800 I know what you're talking about
00:45:57.580 Lauren Southern
00:45:58.060 and Chuck Johnson
00:45:58.720 they tried to set up
00:45:59.780 alternatives
00:46:00.200 but there was always
00:46:01.340 some utility style
00:46:03.220 backbone
00:46:03.960 that they had to deal with
00:46:05.660 and there's so few of those
00:46:07.460 in some cases
00:46:08.340 I mean
00:46:10.400 they truly have a monopoly
00:46:11.580 you can't set up your own
00:46:13.360 I got a question for you
00:46:14.320 today
00:46:14.740 even if you set up
00:46:16.140 a competitor
00:46:17.160 to PayPal
00:46:18.020 or Stripe
00:46:19.040 which are the processes
00:46:20.240 the second level
00:46:21.080 you then have to deal
00:46:21.840 with Visa and MasterCard
00:46:22.840 who have already
00:46:23.420 who have kind of
00:46:24.160 political
00:46:24.740 you've kind of
00:46:25.640 supported people
00:46:26.180 like Julian Assange
00:46:26.780 in the past
00:46:27.320 so there's always
00:46:28.500 one more level
00:46:29.300 you have
00:46:29.620 of gatekeeping
00:46:30.260 you have to go through
00:46:31.320 Yeah, yeah
00:46:32.220 I mean
00:46:32.540 I suppose you could
00:46:33.660 set up a bank
00:46:34.660 itself
00:46:35.360 but that too
00:46:36.480 could be subject
00:46:37.120 to boycotts
00:46:37.940 if people would
00:46:38.440 refuse to trade
00:46:39.220 with it
00:46:39.580 I mean
00:46:40.360 it really is
00:46:41.200 like you're facing
00:46:41.980 economic sanctions
00:46:43.080 but they're not
00:46:44.040 passed by a country
00:46:45.120 they're passed by
00:46:45.940 this oligopoly
00:46:47.240 these plutocrats
00:46:49.560 of the left
00:46:50.480 it's as if
00:46:51.940 they're putting
00:46:52.320 economic sanctions
00:46:53.220 on their enemies
00:46:53.760 I want to ask
00:46:54.380 because I saw
00:46:54.980 a tiny flicker
00:46:56.160 of hope today
00:46:56.720 and we'll put up
00:46:57.640 Trump's tweet
00:46:58.300 this morning
00:46:58.760 we were talking
00:46:59.340 about Jack Dorsey
00:47:01.060 the hard left-wing
00:47:02.460 activist
00:47:03.100 of Twitter
00:47:04.220 and I'm not using
00:47:05.260 that as an insult
00:47:05.960 I'm observing
00:47:06.720 he's a big supporter
00:47:09.080 of the violent
00:47:09.820 street group
00:47:10.960 called Black Lives Matter
00:47:12.140 he has
00:47:13.280 you know
00:47:14.960 he's republished
00:47:16.700 approvingly
00:47:17.940 documents calling
00:47:19.740 for the censorship
00:47:20.500 of the right
00:47:21.180 he's a real extremist
00:47:22.640 and just in the
00:47:24.240 past few days
00:47:24.760 he's been talking
00:47:25.380 about healthy
00:47:26.320 public conversations
00:47:27.540 and that he himself
00:47:28.560 will be in charge
00:47:29.240 of that
00:47:29.540 I see today
00:47:31.180 no one less than
00:47:32.880 Twitter user number
00:47:33.900 one
00:47:34.260 Donald J. Trump
00:47:35.700 tweeted
00:47:36.820 that
00:47:38.100 Twitter's
00:47:39.860 censorship
00:47:40.540 of conservatives
00:47:41.320 is outrageous
00:47:42.080 and a must-end
00:47:43.100 and we'll show
00:47:43.460 that tweet
00:47:43.860 on the screen
00:47:44.480 so he says
00:47:46.660 he's going to do
00:47:47.240 something about it
00:47:47.980 or he might do
00:47:48.840 something about it
00:47:49.420 or he must do
00:47:50.060 something about it
00:47:50.800 do you believe
00:47:52.140 that Donald Trump
00:47:53.360 will actually
00:47:54.500 try to
00:47:56.620 make
00:47:57.380 the internet
00:47:58.820 neutral
00:48:00.300 in terms of
00:48:01.860 its partisanship
00:48:03.080 do you think
00:48:03.820 he will actually
00:48:04.740 be a trust buster
00:48:06.280 like Teddy Roosevelt
00:48:07.540 was to the oil companies
00:48:09.460 a century ago
00:48:10.220 do you think
00:48:10.740 Donald Trump
00:48:11.660 might bust up
00:48:12.500 these internet trusts too
00:48:14.180 well I certainly hope so
00:48:17.080 the problem is
00:48:18.420 he doesn't have
00:48:18.820 a lot of time
00:48:19.360 for like two or three months
00:48:20.740 before the midterm elections
00:48:22.480 and I don't think
00:48:24.220 you can bring in
00:48:24.700 regulation
00:48:25.140 and new legislation
00:48:27.180 so quickly
00:48:28.780 and get past
00:48:29.400 all the free market
00:48:30.200 ideologues
00:48:31.360 and the Republican Party
00:48:32.640 before the election
00:48:33.600 so if the tech companies
00:48:35.200 want to tip the scales
00:48:36.560 for the upcoming election
00:48:37.700 I think they're probably
00:48:38.840 going to be able
00:48:39.460 to do it
00:48:40.360 and there's not much
00:48:41.240 that can be done
00:48:43.060 to stop them
00:48:43.620 I think
00:48:44.020 after the election
00:48:44.960 and looking at the results
00:48:46.380 of the election
00:48:46.880 and how social media
00:48:49.700 plays into that
00:48:50.440 I think we'll see
00:48:51.340 probably start to see
00:48:52.360 a lot more pressure
00:48:53.080 but I certainly think
00:48:55.160 but Donald Trump's tweet
00:48:56.100 was you know
00:48:56.420 very positive
00:48:56.900 and I certainly think
00:48:57.760 that Republicans
00:48:58.240 if they want to
00:48:59.900 compete on a level
00:49:01.120 playing field
00:49:01.760 on the internet
00:49:02.340 they're going to have
00:49:04.080 to get past
00:49:05.080 this fear
00:49:05.720 of regulating
00:49:06.460 private businesses
00:49:07.220 because you know
00:49:08.660 these monopolies
00:49:09.260 have grown such a
00:49:10.300 have accumulated
00:49:11.580 such a vast amount
00:49:12.500 of power
00:49:12.980 over the political process
00:49:14.220 and such a vast amount
00:49:16.900 of power
00:49:17.160 to curtail
00:49:17.580 you know
00:49:17.880 First Amendment rights
00:49:18.780 and Second Amendment rights
00:49:19.620 for ordinary Americans
00:49:20.420 it's a going to come down
00:49:23.540 to regulation
00:49:24.140 I think
00:49:24.500 and I think Republicans
00:49:25.220 will have to get over
00:49:26.220 their misgivings
00:49:28.580 about that
00:49:29.100 yeah
00:49:29.560 as I always say
00:49:30.760 if Donald Trump
00:49:31.340 doesn't bust up
00:49:32.480 these tech titans
00:49:33.880 they'll bust him up
00:49:35.060 I think it's a race
00:49:35.980 Alan it's great to see you again
00:49:37.620 thanks very much
00:49:38.180 for spending the time
00:49:38.860 with us
00:49:39.220 alright
00:49:41.580 well we'll keep in touch
00:49:43.360 for sure
00:49:43.720 the most important beat
00:49:44.940 in the world
00:49:45.860 I put it to you
00:49:46.680 is the political activities
00:49:48.680 of the internet giant
00:49:50.480 stay with us
00:49:51.300 more ahead on The Rebel
00:49:52.720 Hey welcome back
00:50:04.760 your viewer feedback
00:50:05.860 on my monologue yesterday
00:50:06.940 about ISIS
00:50:07.720 claiming responsibility
00:50:09.140 for the Toronto shooter
00:50:10.080 Billy writes
00:50:10.760 Peter writes
00:50:32.560 one has to wonder
00:50:33.860 why there is a segment
00:50:34.640 of Western nations
00:50:35.540 that is desperate
00:50:36.160 even frantically desperate
00:50:37.840 to deny any Islamic connection
00:50:39.540 to the many terror attacks
00:50:40.680 what is their motive
00:50:41.780 well not just that
00:50:43.840 but to turn evil into good
00:50:45.680 I see the National Post
00:50:46.680 published an op-ed
00:50:48.020 by Terry Glavin
00:50:48.800 who says
00:50:49.180 we should rally around
00:50:50.580 the parents of
00:50:51.900 Faisal Hussain
00:50:53.840 the National Post
00:50:55.200 published an op-ed
00:50:56.140 saying we all have to
00:50:57.300 get together
00:50:57.780 and support
00:50:58.380 the terrorist parents
00:51:00.820 what
00:51:02.460 what
00:51:03.320 and by the way
00:51:04.680 they're awful parents
00:51:05.420 besides having
00:51:06.860 a terrorist as a son
00:51:07.960 their other son
00:51:09.000 is a drug dealer
00:51:10.060 who's actually in a coma
00:51:11.300 right now
00:51:11.700 for a drug overdose
00:51:12.520 and if the report
00:51:14.260 I read this morning
00:51:14.800 was accurate
00:51:15.220 that's where Faisal
00:51:16.420 got the gun from
00:51:17.120 don't tell me
00:51:17.740 the parents
00:51:18.440 didn't know
00:51:18.880 what was going on
00:51:19.500 in the family
00:51:20.080 yes sorry
00:51:22.440 National Post
00:51:23.500 I used to know you
00:51:24.300 I used to work for you
00:51:25.120 no I don't support
00:51:26.840 this family
00:51:27.220 not one bit
00:51:27.740 they're a terrorist family
00:51:29.200 frankly I think
00:51:30.220 they should be deported
00:51:30.900 if it's possible
00:51:31.640 Paul writes
00:51:33.680 that demented
00:51:35.080 high school teacher
00:51:35.820 is the face
00:51:36.380 of leftist insanity
00:51:37.440 you're talking about
00:51:40.040 when our own
00:51:41.320 David Menzies
00:51:42.120 went to Danforth
00:51:43.340 to interview people
00:51:44.160 and I don't know
00:51:44.640 if you saw the whole video
00:51:46.000 you can watch all
00:51:46.840 eight minutes of it
00:51:47.560 on YouTube
00:51:47.920 it's a viral video
00:51:48.820 almost 100,000 people
00:51:50.200 have watched it already
00:51:50.920 David just goes there
00:51:51.980 very gently
00:51:52.620 to talk to people
00:51:53.840 about how great
00:51:54.420 the Danforth is
00:51:55.300 and what they think
00:51:55.860 of the neighborhood
00:51:56.380 and this crazed
00:51:58.280 high school teacher
00:51:59.220 comes forward
00:51:59.920 and starts shouting
00:52:01.240 at David
00:52:01.800 and calling him
00:52:02.920 a fascist
00:52:03.560 and a racist
00:52:04.040 and David just kept
00:52:04.960 really calm
00:52:05.500 the whole time
00:52:06.060 it was quite
00:52:06.920 it was quite
00:52:08.000 a telling thing
00:52:09.200 unbelievable
00:52:10.420 and you know
00:52:11.340 I was so impressed
00:52:12.080 with David
00:52:12.500 just staying calm
00:52:13.780 despite this crazy woman
00:52:15.100 being shouting
00:52:15.720 shouting at him
00:52:16.560 for 10 minutes
00:52:17.060 when she boasted
00:52:18.520 that she's a high school student
00:52:19.800 and that's how
00:52:20.420 that's how she rolls
00:52:21.440 in high school
00:52:22.160 I thought
00:52:23.000 absolutely she
00:52:25.540 I believe her
00:52:26.360 because in Toronto
00:52:27.740 and in many schools
00:52:29.400 across North America
00:52:30.240 frankly
00:52:30.680 teachers have become
00:52:31.980 weaponized
00:52:32.740 and politicized
00:52:33.580 and they use their classrooms
00:52:34.620 as political petri dishes
00:52:36.220 that's just awful
00:52:36.960 well that's our show
00:52:38.640 for today
00:52:39.240 until tomorrow
00:52:40.120 on behalf of all of us
00:52:41.440 here at Rebel World
00:52:42.080 Headquarters
00:52:42.580 good night
00:52:43.060 and keep fighting
00:52:44.400 for freedom
00:52:44.900 my Rib Woo
00:52:50.280 I think
00:52:50.680 I think
00:52:51.220 it's impossible
00:52:52.320 to all of us
00:52:52.800 in a positive perspective
00:52:54.300 and seeing
00:52:54.740 as a result
00:52:56.080 when the
00:52:57.160 House
00:52:58.460 Relic
00:53:03.000 on this
00:53:03.560 the
00:53:04.520 public
00:53:09.240 harm