Rebel News Podcast - Trump tried to phone Trudeau on Monday — but Trudeau refused to take the call

00:00:00.000 Tonight, Donald Trump tried to phone Justin Trudeau on Monday, but Trudeau refused to

00:00:05.340 take the call. Does he actually want a trade war with America? It's August 29th and you're

00:00:10.560 watching The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:17.600 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:21.420 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:25.160 You come here once a year with a sign and you feel morally superior.

00:00:28.140 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my

00:00:33.160 bloody right to do so.

00:00:38.880 Let me show you something shocking. You know that on Monday, Donald Trump revealed that

00:00:43.140 he has negotiated a very detailed bilateral trade agreement with Mexico. Bilateral just

00:00:48.440 means two sides, the U.S. and Mexico, as in Canada's not part of it. Well, Trump wanted

00:00:54.120 to talk to Justin Trudeau about that. I don't know what he wanted to say, to invite Canada

00:00:59.640 in to tell Trudeau the details, just to take a reading of Trudeau's views on things. I don't

00:01:05.860 know, whatever. I mean, it's a successor trade deal to NAFTA, the huge treaty that Canada,

00:01:11.140 Mexico and the United States are in right now. It was at the very least a courtesy call to

00:01:15.420 Trudeau. But a leader to leader call like that, who knows what would have been said?

00:01:21.040 What leader in the entire world would not take a phone call from Donald Trump, even if that

00:01:27.560 leader hated him? In fact, especially if that leader hated him. Wouldn't you want to hear

00:01:32.620 what he wanted to tell you? I mean, China's President Xi, Russia's Vladimir Putin, North Korea's

00:01:39.120 Kim. Even if you have a disagreement with Trump, actually, especially if you have a disagreement

00:01:45.420 with Trump, wouldn't you want to hear what Donald Trump thought was so important for you

00:01:50.180 to hear that he wants you to hear it from him himself? I can't imagine turning down such

00:01:56.980 a phone call. I can't imagine anything being more important or urgent, especially if, like

00:02:02.660 Canada, we are dependent on the United States for trade. We are so intertwined with America

00:02:07.320 in every way. Well, Justin Trudeau refused to take the phone call. He refused. Trump called

00:02:14.160 Trudeau wouldn't come to the phone. I'm not kidding. Of course, I only learned about this

00:02:18.360 from the foreign press. Our own state broadcaster, the CBC, would never report something so embarrassing,

00:02:25.260 so revealing about our dear leader. This is from Bloomberg's White House reporter. Look at this tweet.

00:02:32.000 Trump had wanted to speak to Trudeau this a.m. before the Mexico trade deal announcement at 11 a.m.,

00:02:38.840 but Canada said Trudeau had a schedule conflict at the requested hour, sources told me and Josh

00:02:44.640 Wingrove. A scheduling conflict? But that's not true. Every day, Justin Trudeau publishes his schedule.

00:02:52.620 This is his entire official schedule from Monday. It's just, you know, private time.

00:03:00.360 He's got some meetings, maybe, or maybe that's just code for him taking another day off work.

00:03:05.120 He's had more than 20 vacation days so far in 2018, and he calls those personal days,

00:03:12.340 on top of regular weekends and statutory holidays. But it's not like he was at an incredibly important

00:03:17.420 function. He had no public functions. He was not at some critically important summit meeting.

00:03:22.980 He was not even in the House of Commons. He wasn't traveling. And even if he was doing any of those

00:03:27.500 things, could he not really step out of another engagement for 10 minutes, just pretend he had to

00:03:33.520 go to the bathroom or something? I don't know. Sir, I know we're having an important conversation,

00:03:39.300 you know, Youth Council of Papineau. I know we're having an important conversation,

00:03:43.780 dairy farmer of Quebec. I just got the president of the United States on the other line.

00:03:48.840 How about you take a coffee break and I'll be back in 10? Who on earth would say no to that?

00:03:53.760 Who on earth would be more important? And even if they were more important, who on earth wouldn't

00:03:58.180 understand the need for Justin Trudeau to talk to Donald Trump for 10 minutes in the middle and

00:04:02.240 after negotiation? It is obviously not a real excuse. Even if he were on a plane, which he wasn't,

00:04:09.340 the prime minister's plane can take phone calls. It is a lie that could not possibly be true.

00:04:16.200 The truth is that Trudeau was snubbing Donald Trump. Well, Trump returned the favor pretty hard,

00:04:21.820 I'd say. This is what Donald Trump said at his announcement from the Oval Office on Monday

00:04:27.620 with the Mexican president on the speakerphone.

00:04:30.460 Canada will start negotiations shortly. I'll be calling the prime minister very soon and we'll

00:04:39.000 start negotiation. And if they'd like to negotiate fairly, we'll we'll do that. You know, they have

00:04:44.420 tariffs of almost 300 percent on some of our dairy products. So we can't have that. We're not going

00:04:49.820 to stand for that. I think with Canada, frankly, the easiest thing we can do is to tariff their cars

00:04:55.520 coming in. It's a tremendous amount of money and it's a very simple negotiation. It could end in

00:05:00.740 one day. And we take in a lot of money the following day. But I think we'll give them a

00:05:06.020 chance to probably have a separate deal. We could have a separate deal or we could put it into this

00:05:10.500 deal. That's stunning, but it's not surprising. It's stunning because our best friend, the United

00:05:15.060 States, is no longer our best friend, but not surprising, though, because for nearly two years,

00:05:20.440 Justin Trudeau's liberals, with the full support of our state broadcaster, the CBC,

00:05:23.640 have done their best to pick fights with Donald Trump. It's nuts. Trump never really paid attention

00:05:30.840 to Canada before, which was good. He just took us for granted, which is good. Like we take America 0.61

00:05:37.680 for granted, I guess. Trump always instead focused his ire on China and Mexico when it came to trade

00:05:44.000 irritants, because we Canadians more or less have balanced trade with America. That means we buy as

00:05:48.940 much from them as they buy from us. So Trump never really cared about us until Trudeau just started

00:05:54.780 irritating Trump again and again so gratuitously. Sometimes it was just personal attacks. Remember

00:06:00.540 this one right before Trump was elected?

00:06:02.140 I think, however, I've been very, very clear in my approach as a feminist, as someone who has stood

00:06:13.560 clearly and strongly all my life around issues of sexual harassment, standing against violence

00:06:22.100 against women, that I don't need to make any further comment at this time. 0.75

00:06:26.460 That was Justin Trudeau more or less accusing Donald Trump of physical violence against women. A bit

00:06:32.620 ironic now that we know that Justin Trudeau himself groped women. But that's politically insane. That's

00:06:39.580 pretty much how every liberal in Trudeau's office thinks and talks, though. And they haven't really

00:06:43.820 muted it at all over the past two years. Most of the time, Trump just didn't pay attention. Or if he did,

00:06:49.980 he didn't show it. It's like a little mouse nibbling at an elephant's toes. Trump did raise some

00:06:55.260 objections about our 300% dairy import tariffs. But that's not huge in the whole scheme of things.

00:07:01.980 He raised objections to cheap, subsidized Chinese steel being dumped into the U.S. by coming through 1.00

00:07:08.540 Canada. But again, that's not even our problem, really. It's just a small thing. We just have to

00:07:12.940 cut out the Chinese, which is Trump's real rivals. But Trudeau was so irritating so often. And

00:07:18.780 Chrystia Freeland, our foreign minister, was so irritating so often. It had to be on purpose. 1.00

00:07:25.260 Like that speech that Chrystia Freeland gave earlier this year in Washington at the Foreign

00:07:30.140 Policy magazine in a real in-your-face way when she won a Diplomat of the Year award.

00:07:35.100 When people feel their economic future is in jeopardy, when they believe their children have

00:07:41.340 fewer opportunities than they themselves had in their youth, that's when people are vulnerable to the

00:07:47.100 the demagogue who scapegoats the outsider, the other, whether it's immigrants at home or trading

00:07:53.660 partners abroad. So you're in a trade negotiation with Donald Trump and you fly down to his capital

00:07:59.420 city. You meet with a room of chattering class Washington insiders, lobbyists, pundits to bash 0.64

00:08:06.300 Trump. Not very veiled bashing of Trump. Was it really worth it, though, being called Diplomat of

00:08:12.780 the Year? It's sort of like those World's Best Dad mugs. You know, you can buy it any souvenir store.

00:08:20.220 World's Best Dad? I mean, it's not a real contest, right? It's a joke, right? I mean,

00:08:26.860 if you're the World's Best Diplomat, first of all, you probably aren't known

00:08:30.700 because the best diplomats achieve their goals for their country, not for their own celebrity.

00:08:37.100 You know who might actually be the World's Best Diplomat, now that I think about it? This terror.

00:08:41.740 Sergei Lavrov. You know that guy? That's Vladimir Putin's foreign minister. Putin invaded Georgia,

00:08:50.060 and there were no real penalties against him from George W. Bush. So Putin invaded Crimea and annexed it

00:08:57.180 with no real penalties from Barack Obama. Putin shot down a jetliner over Ukraine. Remember that? No

00:09:03.820 real penalties. Putin managed to get Angela Merkel to agree to buy a third of Germany's energy from

00:09:10.380 Russia. Putin managed to essentially take over Syria from Barack Obama. Sergei Lavrov did those things.

00:09:19.180 He doesn't care about giving preening speeches. He gets things done for Putin, awful things sometimes.

00:09:30.220 Can you name anything Chrystia Freeland has got done for her client that is us? In fact, other than Iran

00:09:37.100 or Cuba, is there a single country in the world that you can name that is more sympathetic or more

00:09:43.980 supportive or more allied with Canada today than when Trudeau and Freeland took over?

00:09:49.660 I mean, just think of the big ones. Russia, China, India, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the United States. Can

00:09:59.740 you name a single country that we have stronger ties with now than before Trudeau and Freeland took over?

00:10:06.060 Diplomat of the Year. What a joke.

00:10:08.300 Well, our Diplomat of the Year was in Germany on Monday, giving the same anti-American speech. Isn't

00:10:15.180 that funny? While Mexico and the United States were celebrating their new agreement, you know,

00:10:20.300 as I mentioned the other day, the Mexican foreign minister has visited the White House 45 times and

00:10:26.940 visited the house of Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, 10 more times. That's 55 visits. No wonder he got a

00:10:33.100 great deal. In fact, I'm not sure how Mexico's foreign minister could really have been doing

00:10:37.980 anything else with his time. If he literally had 55 meetings in Washington, I bet he's got to have

00:10:45.980 an apartment in Washington. He's probably, maybe he even lives there. Obviously, this was the most

00:10:52.380 important thing in his life and for his country's prosperity. And he acted like it, don't you think?

00:10:57.260 I haven't heard of him giving any speeches bashing America or getting a Best Diplomat mug. He got a

00:11:04.380 deal instead. And I think it's a good deal for Trump if I read it right. It keeps out cheap Chinese 1.00

00:11:09.980 parts from Mexican-made cars being sold into America. It requires higher labor costs at Mexican

00:11:15.580 car factories so that they don't deeply undercut American factories. That helps Mexican workers,

00:11:21.740 but it obviously helps American factories be more competitive. These are interesting deals.

00:11:26.860 And complicated deals and detailed deals. And there are other parts of this deal too,

00:11:32.540 including on intellectual property. And it goes much beyond cars. And Trump said he's getting

00:11:38.380 along so well with his Mexican counterparts now. They're talking about continuing their talks on

00:11:44.380 other sensitive issues like border security. And if you've met someone 55 times,

00:11:51.580 you probably get along with them pretty well by now. I mean, how many times have you met

00:11:57.260 any friends in your life? You know, both sides are obviously getting something positive out of it.

00:12:05.820 You know that it was a success for Mexico when that crazy Trump hater, I don't know if you know this

00:12:11.340 guy, he's the former Mexican president, Vicente Fox. He is a kook on Twitter. And here's one of his tweets,

00:12:19.340 this is translated by Twitter automatically into English. He was tweeting about how important a deal

00:12:27.900 this was for Mexico. Today, there is much to celebrate. Great triumph for Mexico for President

00:12:34.300 Pena and his great negotiating team. Bravo. Great win. You know, it's, we all win. Trade is always a win.

00:12:40.860 So, this guy hates Trump. He has in the past condemned this same Mexican government for dealing

00:12:49.420 with Trump. But then Mexico pulled a rabbit out of a hat for both sides. I guess Trump has done

00:12:56.460 enough deals in his life to know the best ones are ones where both sides can say they won something.

00:13:03.500 So, Chrystia Freeland saw this and she hopped on a plane and flew from Germany where she was giving

00:13:07.740 her Trump bashing speech. She flew to Washington and listen what she had to say when she landed there 0.75

00:13:13.820 yesterday. Really paved the way for what Canada believes will be a good week is the fact that Mexico

00:13:23.100 has made some significant concessions, particularly in the area of labor and of rules of origin on cars.

00:13:31.340 For our government, good jobs for working people in Canada has always been our priority. And these

00:13:42.460 concessions really are going to be valuable for workers in Canada and in the United States who have

00:13:51.180 been concerned for some time about their jobs going to lower wage jurisdictions.

00:13:55.740 So, she's really trash talking the deal that Mexico got, implying that they really got taken 1.00

00:14:04.780 advantage of by the Americans. Boy, they were so dumb to do a bilateral deal instead of having Chrystia

00:14:11.660 Freeland there to help them with the hard parts. I think that's what she was saying there.

00:14:18.300 Well, here's the Mexican ambassador to Canada on TV the other day. He sounds pretty happy,

00:14:24.940 sounds pretty confident. He's not spiking the football or anything. I don't think so.

00:14:29.420 He's just saying, yeah, his country got a deal. Take a look.

00:14:33.420 Actually, the Canadian government, the prime minister just a few minutes ago has said

00:14:39.020 and yesterday global affairs that they welcome the progress made. We hope that these

00:14:45.660 that these breakthroughs that Mexico made with the U.S. will be positive and will be good for Canada.

00:14:57.100 So, today, this morning, Chrystia Freeland was finally invited for a meeting with the U.S. trade

00:15:05.820 representative. Now, that's a special office with the top negotiator in America, Robert Lighthizer is

00:15:11.340 his name. He's not elected like Chrystia Freeland. He's appointed. All he does is do deals. He's a pro.

00:15:18.220 He's not an ex-journalist like Chrystia Freeland. So, Freeland finally gets a meeting at his office.

00:15:25.580 And you know who else is coming? Jared Kushner, the consummate Trump fixer is there too. And as you

00:15:31.900 know, he's also Trump's son-in-law. In some ways, he's being Trump's secret weapon. He's like,

00:15:36.860 they call him the Trump whisperer. He's the guy who gets tough deals because he's family. He can

00:15:42.620 speak candidly to the president in ways that no one else can because you can't really fire family.

00:15:47.100 And here's how that went. Let me quote. Jared Kushner just walked in for the meeting with Canada.

00:15:55.820 The Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs is not here. She is late. Late. But, but we know she was

00:16:06.700 in town. She, she flew in yesterday. She was late. How? Did she get lost? We saw the clip of her

00:16:16.780 standing in front of that same office on, on Tuesday. So she knows where it is. Did she just

00:16:21.580 hit the snooze button on her alarm too many times? And maybe her staff forgot to phone her 0.80

00:16:26.060 at the, at the hotel. Did she have a more important meeting like Justin Trudeau claimed to? Was this not

00:16:34.700 the most important meeting in her entire public life? And oh, also for the lives of, I don't know,

00:16:41.820 160,000 people who work in Ontario's auto industry who will get smacked by Trump if we get a trade war.

00:16:49.820 Late. Late for a meeting with Jared Kushner and the trade rep. You know, that's a psychological tactic.

00:16:56.460 That's a dominance play. I'm making you wait. I'm more important than you so you can wait for me when

00:17:04.220 I'm good and ready. It's the same bizarre move that Canada played last year. Remember this trade

00:17:09.820 deal in Vietnam when all of our other allies were there? Remember Australia? And you see that empty

00:17:15.420 chair there with the Canadian flag in front of it on the left, bottom left of the screen there?

00:17:21.580 Canada just didn't show up. We didn't just spite America. We spied, spited all those countries.

00:17:27.100 See the Japanese flag there? No notice, no warning, no courtesy, no diplomacy, no explanation.

00:17:34.540 We just didn't show up. By we, I mean Trudeau and his cabinet. You know,

00:17:38.780 you can do that kind of power move, I guess, if you're Donald Trump himself. But not even too often,

00:17:45.180 because then people think you're just unreliable. Your word doesn't mean anything. You're not a promise

00:17:49.900 keeper. Whether people love you or fear you, they have to know you mean what you say. And not showing up

00:17:55.820 at a scheduled meeting. That's actually not a sign of toughness. It's a sign of unreliability,

00:18:00.860 of unseriousness, of capriciousness. And that doesn't work if you are Chrystia Freeland,

00:18:07.740 who is already known for all of those flaws, and whose boss, Justin Trudeau,

00:18:12.780 just refused to take a phone call from Trump on Monday. In the past, when negotiating with teeny tiny

00:18:19.340 Belgium, you know, the country that's famous for making chocolate, Chrystia Freeland thought

00:18:27.260 crying would get her a trade deal. Remember that? 0.97

00:18:30.700 Canada has worked really hard. And I personally, I've worked very hard.

00:18:34.860 But it seems evident for me, for Canada, that the European Union is not capable,

00:18:47.820 now, to have an international agreement, even with a country with such European values as Canada.

00:19:01.100 And after negotiations, Freeland didn't go for the tears. She thought sending cute little

00:19:08.380 email emojis, you know what I'm talking about, those little smiley faces? That would do the job.

00:19:14.060 Remember that?

00:19:14.700 The European Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom and I call each other sisters in trade.

00:19:21.580 We sign our emails, hugs.

00:19:23.340 Really? You actually do that?

00:19:25.020 Yes, we do.

00:19:25.580 Wow.

00:19:26.060 We sometimes send each other smiley faces in particularly difficult moments.

00:19:29.500 Yeah, that didn't even work with the chocolate-making superpowers. I don't think that's working with

00:19:36.460 Donald Trump. You know, that looks weak and pitiful, but even that was better than the pure disrespect

00:19:45.660 of not taking phone calls and not showing up for a meeting. Hey, let me ask you something.

00:19:52.860 Do you think Donald Trump actually means it when he says he wants to put tariffs on our auto industry?

00:19:59.980 I think he means it. Manny Montenegrino convinced me of this this week.

00:20:04.700 Trump has already put tariffs on Canada for certain things. He's in a huge trade war with China.

00:20:10.460 That's why he smacked our steel for the Chinese steel that's being put through Canada. Trump just,

00:20:15.580 I think it was today, his last quarter's GDP growth was revised upwards to 4.2% on a quarterly basis.

00:20:22.620 His economy is so strong right now. Remember, they're 10 times larger than us.

00:20:28.860 He won't even notice a bump in the road if Canada retaliates.

00:20:33.980 I think Trump actually wants a war. Manny convinced me of this so that Trump can bring

00:20:38.780 our Canadian auto industry back down to the United States. And once you move those factories there,

00:20:46.540 they ain't ever coming back. I actually think Trump wants a trade war to relocate those factories.

00:20:53.980 The crazy thing is Trudeau is behaving like he wants a trade war too. Justin Trudeau already killed off

00:21:01.900 Canada's oil and gas and pipeline industry with the help of Rachel Notley. A hundred billion dollars gone.

00:21:07.180 Now he's gunning for Ontario's auto industry, Trudeau. I think his strategy is exactly what

00:21:14.780 Stephen Harper warned us about. Trudeau wants to run against Trump in the 2019 Canadian election.

00:21:22.700 If that really was your strategy, you would refuse phone calls. You would show up late for meetings.

00:21:28.540 You would give insulting speeches too, wouldn't you, if you were trying to scupper the deal. I'm sorry,

00:21:33.020 my friends, unless something changes, in the next 48 hours, which is what Trump says the deadline is,

00:21:38.940 I think we are heading into a deep recession in this country, courtesy of our Diplomat of the Year

00:21:45.180 and her man-child of a boss. Stay with us for more. 0.99

00:22:03.020 Well, I am loathe to criticize the Catholic Church. And you know why? It's because it's a hobby of the 0.51

00:22:12.540 left. They hate the Catholic Church. At least when the Church lives up to its creed, Church morality,

00:22:19.980 such as on abortion or other matters touching on social issues, the left hates the Church. And my

00:22:26.940 view is if they're doing something wrong, they don't need me to pile on. More often, it's the reverse.

00:22:32.300 Christians are persecuted. It's one of the reasons we went to Iraq last year to help those Christians

00:22:37.980 there. But there is a scandal within the Christian Church, within the Catholic Church, and it is

00:22:42.780 growing. And when Catholics who love the Church join the criticism, I think perhaps it's time to

00:22:48.940 give them a listen. And one of those is Michael Knowles, the host of the Michael Knowles Show on

00:22:53.900 the Daily Wire. And he's an ally of our friend Andrew Claiborne. He joins us now. Michael,

00:22:58.540 great to see you again. Thanks for coming back on the Ezra Levant Show. It's nice to have you.

00:23:02.860 Good to see you. Thanks for having me. You know, I really don't like criticizing the Catholic Church

00:23:06.620 because it's criticized so often and in such bad faith. But you have a very interesting article

00:23:12.620 today about the 11-page letter written to Pope Francis by the former nuncio, that's the Church

00:23:19.820 ambassador to Washington. So a senior member of the Church, I think by any measure, he doesn't have an

00:23:26.620 ax to grind. This is not some scheme or scandal mongering. And he outlines some serious accusations

00:23:34.220 about sexual molesters in the Church. But worse than that, what appears to be a cover-up at the

00:23:40.460 highest levels? Why don't you tell our viewers what the facts are?

00:23:43.900 So this is a little opaque, I think, to people who are not within the Catholic Church. And it's

00:23:49.660 probably opaque to people even who are Catholics. The way to think of this is this ex nuncio,

00:23:55.820 Carlo Viganò, is an archbishop. He's a high-ranking official. He's retired. So he's not a member of the

00:24:02.300 College of Cardinals. He doesn't have anything personally to gain from this. But this was the

00:24:07.260 Vatican's representative to the United States. The United States and Germany fund the Catholic Church.

00:24:12.380 This is a major, major position. And what he has said in this 11-page testimony is that the Pope

00:24:18.860 covered up for an abusive priest, Cardinal McCarrick, who was thrown out in disgrace just

00:24:25.820 a few weeks ago. What the testimony outlines is that the abuse of McCarrick, McCarrick's abuse

00:24:33.100 against other priests and seminarians was brought to Pope Benedict. Pope Benedict basically isolated him,

00:24:40.060 took him out of public ministry, said, live your life out in prayer and penance. Then when Pope

00:24:45.580 Francis was elected, he restored the prominence of Cardinal McCarrick, sent him as an envoy to China,

00:24:51.500 and put him back out in public. It is worth pointing out that what the testimony alleges is that Pope Francis

00:24:57.740 knew of his abuse against other priests, not against minors, though the Cardinal has been accused of

00:25:03.060 molesting minors as well. What's amazing about all of this, an analogy would be, say, if Nikki Haley

00:25:10.580 made these accusations about the president or John Bolton or Secretary of State or something like that,

00:25:15.380 it's that high a post. Not many things are unprecedented in the history of the Catholic

00:25:20.100 Church. 2,000 years of history means everything has precedent. This is unprecedented. A high-ranking

00:25:27.700 official, not only accusing the Pope of knowing about this, but of calling on the Pope to resign.

00:25:32.420 And the Pope, just as he has done with all of the other criticism during his pontificate,

00:25:36.980 is refusing to give an answer. He is dismissing the concerns of very high-ranking, very credible,

00:25:43.300 serious people. He's dismissing them. He's referring to answer. And another appointee who seems to have been

00:25:51.060 backed for Cardinal by that disgraced Cardinal McCarrick, a man in Chicago named Cardinal Cupish,

00:25:58.900 has responded on the Pope's behalf and said, the Pope has other things to talk about. The Pope has

00:26:04.820 bigger plans for the environment, for illegal immigration. He doesn't want to talk about all 1.00

00:26:10.580 of the abuse and the cover-up that he's implicated in. It is outrageous. The statement from Cardinal

00:26:16.580 Cupish on the Pope's behalf is stunningly tone-deaf. It is perhaps the most tone-deaf

00:26:21.700 statement since Marie Antoinette's apocryphal let-them-eat-cake statement. And this demands

00:26:27.620 an answer, and this demands that heads must roll. It's funny you mention the Pope's other priorities.

00:26:33.860 And again, I'm Jewish myself, and so I don't like picking on Catholics because, I mean,

00:26:38.580 they're picked on too much in my view. But when I was in Iraq, I thought, where is the Pope?

00:26:44.740 He's talking about the environment. He's talking about global warming. He's talking about

00:26:49.220 political matters. There's this one image I can't get out of my mind. I'll put it on the screen right

00:26:52.820 now. It's the Pope meeting with Muslim migrants in Europe. And here's a picture that Pope Francis

00:26:59.780 kissing the feet. Now, I know enough New Testament, even though I'm Jewish, to know that Jesus washed the

00:27:06.900 feet of travelers hot in the desert. And that would be just a real

00:27:11.860 mercy because it's hot and dry and sweaty or whatever. But I don't think Jesus kissed

00:27:18.900 the feet. I think he just washed them. Here's Pope Francis kissing feet, but not of a

00:27:24.500 Christian martyr, not of a Christian refugee fleeing the region, but of a Muslim migrant.

00:27:29.620 And I thought, you know, there's a billion Muslims in the world. There's more than 20 Muslim countries.

00:27:35.460 There's Saudi Arabia. The Pope should focus more on Popish things. I don't know. When you say the

00:27:42.020 Pope deferred to environmental concerns, that pricked me because that frustrates me.

00:27:48.100 I think this is a matter for the Pope, this Cardinal McCarrick.

00:27:53.460 Yes. You know, this pontificate has bred a lot of confusion. It's very frustrating because we need

00:28:03.940 clarity now more than ever. And it's bred a lot of confusion, not just on certain matters of state,

00:28:09.300 not on certain political matters, but on matters of 2000 year old doctrine. There were a litany of

00:28:14.740 examples of this and the Pope has been very unclear. I don't mind the Pope humbling himself

00:28:21.860 and making a humble gesture toward Muslims. I think that's all well and good, but it has to be more

00:28:28.180 than a performance, you know, or is it a performance or is it the real thing? This Pope has called for

00:28:33.780 transparency. This Pope has called for an end to clericalism. This Pope has said that bishops should

00:28:39.140 retire and leave when it's time for them to leave. And yet, what are we getting from the Francis

00:28:43.620 pontificate? We're getting obfuscation. We're getting what appears to be the height of clericalism,

00:28:49.460 the height of bishops covering up for one another, of refusing to speak to the media,

00:28:54.180 of refusing to answer, not just questions from the press and secular authorities, but refusing to

00:28:59.380 answer questions raised by their own cardinals, the height of clericalism and a refusal to engage with

00:29:06.020 critics. If, if the Pope wants to make these gestures, that's all wonderful, but they have to be

00:29:11.620 backed up with reality. They can't just be a performance for the cameras. And there is a lot

00:29:16.580 of confusion and a lot of answers are being demanded right now. The Catholic laity are up in arms. This

00:29:22.820 is absolutely horrifying. And the behavior has not gotten any better. It's wonderful to go around to

00:29:29.140 Ireland and say, please forgive us, please forgive us. You have to put a seriousness behind those words,

00:29:35.300 or else they're just words, words, words. We're not getting that from Pope Francis. And I wish he

00:29:41.140 would answer it because what, what the rest of us in the Catholic lady are seeing is nothing but

00:29:45.860 stonewalling and the Catholic lady are going to vote with their pockets. You know, I think it's 1.00

00:29:51.300 perfectly fine to keep contributing to your parish and keeping the lights on. But I don't think a

00:29:56.260 Catholic should donate a single penny to bishops appeals, to the various charities related to the

00:30:01.620 U.S. Council of Catholic bishops until we get answers, and until people are held accountable

00:30:06.980 for this. Wow, that's heavy duty. You know, not all of our viewers, I mean, only a certain portion of

00:30:12.580 our viewers are Catholic, and only a certain portion would probably be regularly practicing Catholics. But

00:30:19.620 I think there are wider implications. And my proof of that, let me show you, it's the New York Times

00:30:24.340 weighing in on the subject, in defense of Pope Francis, criticizing conservatives who were pouncing.

00:30:33.300 It's almost a, it's almost a comical headline. And the New York Times is not a particularly Catholic 1.00

00:30:39.380 newspaper. It's sort of their religion is secular liberalism. They are standing with the Pope. I think

00:30:45.780 it's like their support for John McCain. They liked John McCain when he was an enemy of Donald Trump.

00:30:51.460 I think the New York Times hates the Catholic Church, but they're standing for Pope Francis

00:30:57.300 because they don't like his more moral or conservative critics. That's my theory. What do you think?

00:31:03.380 It's amazing how they weigh in. It's also amazing because of their blithe ignorance,

00:31:08.340 which I suppose we shouldn't be surprised at, at this point. They're trying to portray Archbishop,

00:31:13.860 rather, Ex Nuncio Vigano, as a conservative, as though this were a civil war in the church that is

00:31:20.260 strictly along partisan lines like we have in the United States. That isn't the case. There are

00:31:25.140 theological disputes with Pope Francis and more traditional Catholics might be called conservative

00:31:31.700 or something like that. But the question here is about rank corruption in the highest echelons of

00:31:37.700 the Catholic bureaucracy. That's what this is about. This is not fundamentally about theological issues,

00:31:43.220 though it is a strange coincidence that all of the, virtually all of the high-ranking prelates who have

00:31:48.980 been involved in these cover-ups seem to issue, or seem to rather put forth, a progressive

00:31:57.540 Catholic theology and sense of the liturgy and sense of the church that goes against 2,000 years

00:32:04.740 of teaching. Another aspect that the New York Times might want to point out, they talk about the

00:32:08.580 conservatives and the progressives in the church as though these are two equal parties, as if they have

00:32:14.740 moral equivalence or something. When you're talking about an institution that we Catholics believe was

00:32:21.380 divinely instituted with the immutable teachings of the incarnate Lord, there is not a moral equivalence

00:32:28.660 between people who want to conserve that and people who want to change that. You know, when it comes to

00:32:33.060 the Catholic Church, really, there ought only to be conservatives, because we are conserving our

00:32:38.180 institution and our doctrine. Of course, the New York Times doesn't know any of that, and so for them,

00:32:42.980 the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But it really makes a great point, because for how long did the

00:32:47.940 New York Times hit on the Catholic Church, beat up on the Catholic Church for sexual abuse scandals,

00:32:54.100 and for not being clear enough, and for not being transparent enough? Now, the Catholic laity, and some

00:33:00.180 as high-ranking as the ex nuncio vigano, are calling for that transparency, and what do they do? They play

00:33:06.100 petty politics, because they don't care about the sex abuse scandal, they don't care about transparency,

00:33:10.980 they don't care about justice for victims, what they care about is that pushing their own left-wing 0.88

00:33:15.620 agenda, and it's repulsive. Well, there's a lot to chew over there, and I am an amateur of this

00:33:23.140 subject. It's not something I immerse myself in, so you've certainly given us a lot to think about.

00:33:26.820 For those who want to delve a little deeper, may I recommend Michael Knowles' column on the subject,

00:33:31.060 which you can find at dailywire.com. Thanks so much for being here today, Michael.

00:33:35.220 Thanks for having me. Good to see you again. All right, likewise. Well, there you have it,

00:33:38.660 Michael Knowles. He's the host of the Michael Knowles Show on the Daily Wire. Great people there,

00:33:43.700 Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan. He hosts that show every Monday to Thursday. Stay with us. More ahead on The Rebel.

00:33:51.380 First of all, why are we still fighting against certain veterans groups in court? Because they're 0.86

00:34:11.060 asking for more than we are able to give. Well, that was Justin Trudeau telling a wounded veteran

00:34:17.540 that veterans are just asking for more than he can give. I mean, come on. Well, news comes of

00:34:24.180 someone that Veterans Affairs under Justin Trudeau has all the money in the world for. The strange

00:34:30.740 thing, though, is he is not a veteran. I'm talking about a convicted killer named Christopher Garnier.

00:34:37.620 He was convicted of second-degree murderer, but he's not a vet. He's not a soldier. And yet,

00:34:44.100 he is receiving payments from a veterans affairs program for soldiers with PTSD, post-traumatic

00:34:54.260 stress disorder, which is by virtue of the fact that someone else in his family was a veteran.

00:35:03.220 Joining us now to talk about this incredible story is our friend, Lee Humphrey. We've had him on the

00:35:09.300 show before, of course. He's the president of James International Security Consulting,

00:35:12.740 and he's now a Conservative Party of Canada nomination candidate for Calgary Center. Lee,

00:35:17.780 welcome back to the show. This is so crazy. Can you confirm the facts I've just read to our

00:35:24.260 viewers here? Because I just want to make sure I'm not getting this story wrong. It sounds too crazy to

00:35:29.140 be true. A non-veteran is getting PTSD money meant for veterans, and he's a murderer. How? How?

00:35:37.220 Yeah, well, what they've done, Ezra, is they've taken an incredibly important program, which was set

00:35:44.740 up to ensure that the families of veterans who are suffering from PTSD, and often it's the families

00:35:51.780 who bear the brunt of the outrage and of the anger a veteran may display as he's working his way through

00:35:58.500 his PTSD issues that would allow those those family members to get treatment as well and to help them

00:36:07.540 deal with understanding the veteran and understanding the issues he's going through.

00:36:13.940 They've twisted that in the sense that the gentleman that we're talking about, the convicted murderer that

00:36:20.580 that we're talking about, his father served as a military policeman, and I understand was diagnosed

00:36:28.100 with PTSD, which I must presume was service-related because that is the criteria. And as part of that

00:36:37.220 treatment, somehow they extended it to his son, who is now claiming to suffer from PTSD

00:36:45.620 PTSD for the nightmares he's experiencing related to killing a Halifax police officer,

00:36:53.700 strangling her to death. That's not PTSD. That's called grief.

00:36:57.700 Yeah, or remorse. Or maybe it's remorse or something. And that's the craziest fact here. So the murderer,

00:37:06.980 not a veteran, murders a cop, and his own murder is his own source of stress. Am I getting that? Because

00:37:17.060 that is the cherry on the icing on the cake of crazy. So it's his own murder that has caused him

00:37:23.540 the stress for which he is being paid by the veterans. Is that just the final chain link of crazy,

00:37:31.540 hearly? It is in the sense that this does not belong in the realm of Veterans Affairs Canada,

00:37:38.900 which has a very limited budget that is very much needed to deal with legitimate cases involving

00:37:45.860 veterans and their families to help them recover from service injuries and wounds, mental or physical.

00:37:53.060 What we have here is something that, you know, Corrections Canada does involve

00:37:58.500 counseling to help prisoners come to grips with the fact that they have committed a crime

00:38:07.220 and to help them get to that point where they can be remorseful and they can understand the feelings

00:38:14.980 that they have and how wrong they were and what they did was wrong. And I guess as part of the

00:38:20.900 rehabilitation, move on from that. But this has nothing to do with Veterans Affairs in any way,

00:38:26.100 shape or form. It only takes money away from actual veterans and actual veterans families that need

00:38:32.180 this money and this help desperately. Yeah, that's so frustrating. You know,

00:38:36.020 I was reading some media stories, including on the CBC. Now there's been various versions,

00:38:40.740 but one of the stories I was reading on the CBC, and it may have been updated since that moment.

00:38:46.180 I searched for keywords, liberal, Trudeau, Seamus O'Regan. That's the Veterans Affairs Minister.

00:38:52.980 I think it may have been added in a subsequent version, but there was no mention of this when

00:38:57.460 I first checked it. And this happened. I mean, the murder itself happened in 2015

00:39:03.460 and the Veterans Affairs payments subsequent to that. So this was under Trudeau's watch. And we

00:39:07.940 just saw Trudeau saying, vets are asking for more than we can give. And if this had happened under the

00:39:14.660 tenure of Justin Trudeau, excuse me, of Stephen Harper and the conservative government, Lee,

00:39:21.700 I am absolutely certain that the word Tory or conservative or Harper would have been in the

00:39:27.220 headline. And it would have, the blame would have been placed on the political decision maker,

00:39:32.340 the cabinet minister, the prime minister. But because this is under Justin Trudeau, this is my own

00:39:38.980 theory here. The state broadcaster is just saying, Veterans Affairs made the mistake. They're not

00:39:44.180 even calling him to say, Veterans Affairs made the decision. The government made the decision.

00:39:48.900 And they're doing their best to, like the headline I see here in the CBC, Veterans Affairs stands by

00:39:54.340 policy paying for PTSD help for murderer who never served. And I see now that in a subsequent version

00:40:02.740 that Seamus O'Regan's name is added lower down in the story, I find that frustrating, that there's

00:40:08.900 the political nature of this has been bleached out of it.

00:40:11.700 Absolutely. I mean, the CBC, you know, loves to use the word government when there's a negative

00:40:18.340 story as if we forget who is in charge of that government. It is Prime Minister Trudeau. And in the

00:40:24.340 case of Minister O'Regan being added, his name is only added in the sense of the Conservative Party

00:40:34.020 critic calling on him by name to intervene in this case and review it at the very least. But this should

00:40:43.700 be cancelled immediately. Veterans Affairs is not responsible to fund the mental rehabilitation

00:40:52.340 of a murderer who didn't serve with us. And twisting this program, you know, which was meant as if this

00:41:02.020 young man had been somehow influenced by his father's PTSD, which which would be a legitimate use of 1.00

00:41:08.340 those funds. That just isn't the case. And we need to be really clear about this, Ezra. The Trudeau

00:41:15.060 government made a decision to provide limited Veterans Affairs Canada funding

00:41:21.780 to a convicted murderer, while at the same time denying that they have sufficient money to give

00:41:31.060 veterans what they actually need. That's all this is. It's plain and simple. And they can dress it up

00:41:37.620 any way they want. But it doesn't change the hard facts. Yeah. You know, earlier this year, I went on a

00:41:45.300 short speaking tour. And I did it in various Legion halls across Canada, which is great. I love going

00:41:50.580 to the Legions. And in every single Legion hall I went, they were a little bit run down.

00:41:55.940 And we were talking about Omar Khadar getting the $10.5 million payment from Justin Trudeau. And I

00:42:02.180 thought, I mean, I remember going to the Legion hall in Mississauga. I thought this place hasn't had

00:42:07.780 $10.5 million spent on it by any government, conservative or liberal, in the last 20 years.

00:42:14.340 Like the building was fairly run down. I just wish one day, Justin Trudeau and the Liberals would treat

00:42:20.260 our own Canadian forces and vets as lovingly as they treat Christopher Garnier, second degree murderer,

00:42:27.940 and Omar Khadar. I find it very frustrating, their priorities. Last word to you, Lee.

00:42:32.500 Yeah. Well, I have to agree with you there. I mean, I founded a Facebook page called Veterans

00:42:40.260 for the Conservative Party of Canada. And we have about 32,500 odd supporters now. And next to the

00:42:48.100 Omar Khadar settlement and the video of Mr. Trudeau admonishing the young PPCLI corporal in Edmonton,

00:42:59.700 this has really hit a nerve with our supporters. They are viscerally angry about this misdirected

00:43:09.620 use of funds that are clearly meant for veterans and their families. And they want it stopped and

00:43:15.220 they want it stopped now. And I hope Mr. O'Regan and Mr. Trudeau are listening. Mr. O'Regan has a

00:43:23.300 Veterans Town Hall tonight in St. John's. And I'd be shocked if this is not brought up and he is

00:43:30.420 forced to address this because people are angry about it. Very interesting. We'll have to keep our

00:43:34.980 eyes peeled. Hopefully, there'll be some video footage of that. I bet someone in the audience

00:43:39.140 will have a cell phone camera at the very least. Well, Lee, it's great to have you back on the show.

00:43:43.060 Thanks very much for your time today. All right. Thank you, Ezra. Anytime. All right. There you have it.

00:43:47.620 Lee Humphrey, of course, has been on the show many times as an expert commentator on matters of

00:43:53.060 international security and counterterrorism. And he is the Conservative Party of Canada nomination

00:43:59.060 candidate in Calgary Centre. Stay with us. More ahead on The Rebel.

00:44:02.980 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about Senator John McCain passing away and why the left

00:44:18.820 suddenly likes him now that he's dead. Robert writes, you have to admire the fact that McCain

00:44:24.100 had the guts to strap himself into his jet and fly over Hanoi, risking being shot down by Vietnamese 1.00

00:44:29.700 surfaced to air missiles. It is a pity that he spent his final days as a vengeful, sore loser.

00:44:35.220 That's my take, too. We must salute the most heroic thing he ever did in his life, which I would

00:44:41.140 say is not even flying a jet into a war. But when he was captured and tortured to willingly decline

00:44:49.380 to be let go early. As you remember, his father, the admiral, was actually the

00:44:54.340 commander-in-chief of the entire war in Vietnam. So the Viet Cong wanted to release him early.

00:45:00.260 Imagine saying, no, I will stay and continue the beatings and torture and starvation that I have

00:45:05.620 because I'm not going to let myself out earlier than these other guys. That, I think, showed

00:45:09.860 character. But once he got back to America, he was just a typical politician. Not even typical,

00:45:15.780 I think he was worse than most. But let us remember his finest hour now that he has passed away,

00:45:21.220 and that was what he did in Vietnam. On my interview with Anthony Feary about Donald Trump's trade deal

00:45:27.380 with Mexico and Canada being left out, Paul writes, Trudeau's strategy of running against Trump is a

00:45:32.740 very stupid strategy. I also don't think Canadians hate Trump as much as the left think they do.

00:45:37.700 The auto industry will only be the first to go. Count on that. Well, you know, I think you're right.

00:45:44.500 I have some liberals in my family. I'm not going to name names. We all have the black sheep in our

00:45:53.940 family. And I always say, I don't bring up Trump because it's just going to lead to an argument,

00:45:59.700 but I always say, other than his personality, can you name a single thing that you object to?

00:46:07.220 And they stammer and they can't because, oh, well, he said this and he said that and he was mean here.

00:46:14.260 They don't have a substantive argument. And it's just that they've been conditioned through repetition

00:46:23.060 by the media party to say, Trump, bad. I hate Trump, drumpf. You know, I think Canadians have it worse

00:46:30.340 because we get all the late night talk shows from America that's completely anti-Trump. We get the

00:46:34.900 CBC completely anti-Trump. We're supposed to be anti-Trump. So people just say, oh, I'm anti-Trump.

00:46:41.540 I don't think they could tell you a reason why. And I think that to be pro-Trump in Canada is to

00:46:46.580 invite being punched on the street. And so I think that number is a false number. It's telling

00:46:53.700 pollsters what they want to hear. Are you against Trump? Oh, yes, I'm against Trump. I think

00:46:57.460 Trump is fighting for America first. So he, in fact, may come to be an enemy of Canada. He may,

00:47:05.860 in fact, throw us into a recession, but it's not through hostility. It's through defending his

00:47:09.700 own interests. And if Trudeau insists on standing with the dairy cartel, I remind you that Donald

00:47:13.860 Trump is the one who has revived the Keystone XL pipeline, the only pipeline to the oil sands that

00:47:18.500 will be built during Trudeau's tenure. Keith writes, what if Andrew Scheer gets into the PM's office and

00:47:25.220 is as liberal as Trudeau? Voting him in just to rid ourselves of Trudeau is not a plan. We keep

00:47:30.580 doing that and we never get good government. Well, I think that even a left-wing, wobbly

00:47:38.740 Andrew Scheer would be better than Justin Trudeau. I just think so. Not just because Andrew Scheer

00:47:44.420 himself is not as corrupt as Trudeau. We don't emphasize how corrupt Trudeau is. Remember,

00:47:50.100 he's the first prime minister to be convicted of breaking the conflict of interest laws four times.

00:47:56.260 His whole party is full of graft and corruption in small and large ways. I think how Gerald Butts

00:48:03.540 billed more than $100,000 just to move from Toronto to Ottawa. You can't even, I don't even know how you

00:48:10.420 do that, but that's how much he charged for the move. So there's all sorts of corruption. I don't think

00:48:14.340 you'd see that with the conservatives. I don't think that Scheer would be as insanely left-wing.

00:48:20.340 But yeah, he would, if he is what he is now, he would be liberal compared to Stephen Harper,

00:48:25.940 for example, certainly compared to Maxime Bernier. But my beef with Andrew Scheer is not that he would be

00:48:34.260 worse than Justin Trudeau. He would not be. It's that he won't win as a half conservative.

00:48:40.500 I was watching the other day, and we should put it up in full on our website, Doug Ford's speech at

00:48:46.260 the Federal Conservative Convention. And he had a whole section on don't let the media

00:48:52.100 scare you. Don't let the media bend you from your path. That was Doug Ford's secret to success.

00:48:58.020 That's what he told the delegates. My objection to Andrew Scheer being so soft on things is not

00:49:04.420 just that I don't want him to be soft on things. It's that I know he's not going to win if he is.

00:49:10.100 All right, folks, that's the show for today. I don't understand what kind of weird game of

00:49:15.300 chicken Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland are playing with America. I just don't think it's

00:49:19.860 going to end well for Canada. I just don't think that we're a big enough dog in the fight to survive

00:49:26.500 a fight. And I tell you, if Donald Trump called me, I just, I would never be able to come up with an

00:49:36.420 excuse powerful enough to explain not picking up the phone call. What possibly could Justin Trudeau

00:49:44.340 have said? And don't think Donald Trump missed that message. And I think he's going to wreak

00:49:49.460 his vengeance on our economy. And I think we're all going to hurt. And I say that with no glee.

00:49:54.820 That's the show for today, folks. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World

00:49:58.740 Headquarters to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:50:11.700 Peace.

00:50:14.100 Peace.

00:50:22.820 Yes.

00:50:23.460 Uh,

00:50:24.660 you

00:50:25.540 too.

Rebel News Podcast - August 30, 2018

Trump tried to phone Trudeau on Monday — but Trudeau refused to take the call

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