Rebel News Podcast - War for free speech continues： Tommy Robinson in Copenhagen

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. Today, I give you a podcast account of what I saw in Copenhagen, Denmark.

00:00:06.540 I went there because Tommy Robinson was receiving a World Free Press Award.

00:00:10.940 That was very interesting. My engagement with Antifa outside was interesting.

00:00:16.820 But the most interesting part of all was Tommy Robinson explaining

00:00:20.880 how Facebook had put him on a secret blacklist.

00:00:26.120 Well, if it's a secret blacklist, how do you know about it?

00:00:28.920 Well, incredibly, the head of Facebook in Denmark told him.

00:00:34.200 All right, I'll let you... Well, you can't see it.

00:00:36.280 I wish you could see it because some of it is in Danish and we have subtitles.

00:00:39.660 But I think you can get the gist of it on the podcast.

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00:01:00.840 Okay, here's the podcast.

00:01:09.080 Tonight, the war for free speech.

00:01:19.480 I'll show you the latest battle from Copenhagen, Denmark.

00:01:22.580 It's January 20th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:27.940 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:31.660 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:35.740 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody

00:01:40.620 right to do so.

00:01:41.600 As you may have noticed, I went to Copenhagen, Denmark on Friday, because on Saturday, Tommy

00:01:52.200 Robinson received the prestigious Free Press Society's award in that city.

00:01:56.180 That's quite an honor.

00:01:57.600 Tommy joins the ranks of British philosopher Roger Scruton, commentator Douglas Murray, our

00:02:02.620 friend Mark Stein, as a defender of free speech and journalism.

00:02:06.820 It was such an encouraging place to be, a larger room in, a pretty large room, hundreds

00:02:13.140 of people in the Danish parliament was the venue, and it was packed.

00:02:16.460 In fact, I saw them turning away someone at the door who didn't have a ticket because it

00:02:20.360 was sold out.

00:02:21.320 I actually didn't have a ticket myself either.

00:02:24.000 I had no idea Tommy was going to win this prize until I happened literally by coincidence

00:02:28.680 to call him up to say Happy New Year on, I think it was Thursday, and he mentioned

00:02:32.680 he was off to Copenhagen.

00:02:33.820 I follow Tommy pretty closely, and the fact that he was winning this major prize, and

00:02:39.040 I hadn't seen a peep about it anywhere except in Danish, I guess, shows me that the media

00:02:44.000 is not obsessed with Tommy Robinson.

00:02:47.040 They're obsessed with hating him.

00:02:48.880 Let me give you an example of that.

00:02:50.140 Here's the Daily Mail.

00:02:51.580 That's a big British newspaper, claims to be conservative, claims to support the working 0.76

00:02:55.340 class.

00:02:55.800 But look at this story.

00:02:57.060 They're literally trying to claim that Tommy Robinson, who was in solitary confinement for

00:03:02.920 66 days in Belmarsh Prison, because he has a kettle and apple juice and some tins of tuna

00:03:09.200 that he had to buy with his own money, by the way, which I think is quite odd, but at least

00:03:13.420 they let him buy as much food as he wanted this time, unlike when he was in solitary confinement

00:03:18.580 in Onley Prison, they actually called that a luxury, to have a kettle and tuna and a TV

00:03:26.080 set.

00:03:27.340 Luxury living, I swear.

00:03:29.600 And The Sun, that also claims to be a right-wing working class newspaper, same story.

00:03:34.000 Really, they all repeat each other.

00:03:36.020 I tell you that to prove that the media will literally report any jot or tittle about Tommy's

00:03:41.280 life, no matter how tiny, to sell newspapers and also to smear and undermine him.

00:03:46.420 They hate him professionally, it's like their job to hate Tommy, it's a bit gross, but not

00:03:51.620 a single mainstream media report about Tommy winning the world's most prestigious free

00:03:55.860 speech prize, not one.

00:03:57.580 It's weird because Russia Today, which is owned by the Kremlin, they actually sent a camera

00:04:03.520 to the event, to a free speech event, Russia, and they filmed Tommy and they filmed the event

00:04:08.760 and they filmed the protesters outside.

00:04:10.820 Now, they didn't actually say a word in their video, no commentary at all, no spin, they just

00:04:15.120 turned on their camera and recorded the sounds of what they saw, both sides, Tommy and his

00:04:20.420 critics.

00:04:21.840 I'm sorry, but how weird is it that a state broadcaster from an authoritarian regime like

00:04:26.360 Russia covers a free speech award fairly?

00:04:31.540 They just turned their camera on and showed what was happening.

00:04:34.380 But no mainstream media from the West did the same.

00:04:37.320 Don't tell me they didn't know about it.

00:04:40.100 They all follow Tommy's every step.

00:04:41.940 They certainly follow my tweets, so they would have heard about it.

00:04:44.480 Don't tell me it wasn't a visually interesting or newsworthy event.

00:04:47.620 I can assure you it was.

00:04:49.340 In the Danish parliament, protesters outside, it was a news event.

00:04:53.540 The mainstream media just didn't want to tell the other side of the story, that their

00:04:56.380 own hatred for Tommy Robinson is not shared uniformly.

00:04:59.360 That in fact, in Denmark, he had a hero's welcome in the parliament.

00:05:02.460 Here's the Danish MP, Marie Krarup, who had a short introductory comment.

00:05:06.440 She was glad to host Tommy and the Free Press Society.

00:05:08.880 And one of the reasons they did was because the parliament is a high-security facility.

00:05:13.480 That I, as a parliamentarian state, am able to provide to this hall where we can hold

00:05:21.560 meetings that are high-security, which this is, as I understand it.

00:05:26.080 So, I'm very happy that the Free Speech Society has invited you.

00:05:33.400 I'm very much fortunate what you're saying.

00:05:36.340 And I'm happy that it's possible to host you here in the parliament.

00:05:42.400 So, thank you for coming.

00:05:43.640 I spoke with some of my friends from the Free Speech Society.

00:05:46.740 I had met them back when I won the prize in 2014 for fighting against Canada's censorious

00:05:51.800 human rights commissions.

00:05:53.600 And I told them that I don't believe that either the UK or Canada would have permitted such

00:05:59.340 an event in our parliaments.

00:06:01.020 I just don't.

00:06:01.840 I mean, Canada's parliament bans rebel journalists like me and David Manzies and Kian Bexte and

00:06:06.940 Sheila Gunn-Reed from even covering the prime minister on parliamentary premises.

00:06:11.540 They even banned us from covering the election debates till the federal court slapped them

00:06:15.740 down.

00:06:16.560 Anyways, it was a great event.

00:06:17.960 Full House.

00:06:18.720 Great speech by Tommy.

00:06:19.640 I'm going to show you something from his speech that I didn't know before and that actually

00:06:24.040 shocked me.

00:06:24.700 And that doesn't happen a lot anymore that I'm shocked by things.

00:06:28.200 I'll show you that in a moment.

00:06:29.660 But first, let me show you an interaction from outside the parliament.

00:06:33.960 I arrived a bit early.

00:06:35.620 Actually, I was literally on the street walking in Copenhagen and I heard a car honk and obviously

00:06:39.920 I ignored it because I was on the sidewalk.

00:06:41.820 Walking in Copenhagen, obviously no one was honking at me, but actually they were.

00:06:46.760 It was Tommy in a vehicle being driven by a police officer who was escorting him to the

00:06:52.300 parliament.

00:06:52.800 And they offered me a ride.

00:06:53.960 Honk honk, get in.

00:06:54.880 They said, I couldn't believe it.

00:06:55.780 I interviewed Tommy briefly in that short car ride.

00:06:58.780 Isn't that funny?

00:06:59.280 In the United Kingdom, police often come to arrest Tommy.

00:07:03.700 In Denmark, the police are a security protection detail for him.

00:07:08.100 So they dropped Tommy off at a special entrance and I walked around to the main door and I

00:07:12.820 immediately saw about 30 Antifa types.

00:07:15.280 And I thought, oh, I've got 10 minutes, 15 minutes to kill before it starts.

00:07:19.320 Why don't I go talk to them?

00:07:21.360 Now, I'm in Denmark and I don't really know the lay of the land that well.

00:07:24.900 So out of a friendly courtesy, I asked a cop if he minded if I went over to interview Antifa.

00:07:30.700 I mean, I knew he'd say go ahead, but it was my way of introducing myself to the cops

00:07:34.820 in a really friendly way.

00:07:37.100 I was a little being a little obsequious just because I wasn't on my home turf and I wanted

00:07:40.760 to say, hey, oh, it's just me.

00:07:42.660 I'm going to go talk to them.

00:07:43.460 And the cop said, sure.

00:07:45.600 Well, let me show you the next five minutes of what happened.

00:07:47.520 Hi guys, how you doing?

00:07:50.540 What's your name?

00:07:51.760 I don't have a name.

00:07:52.420 You don't have a name.

00:07:54.360 You have a message to them?

00:07:56.460 Don't get, don't get.

00:07:57.880 Don't get.

00:07:59.880 Don't get.

00:08:00.500 Don't get.

00:08:30.480 Well, I went there to talk to the Antifa protesters, and I think they spoke pretty good English, but they could tell that I wasn't like them.

00:08:40.180 I wasn't dressed in black. I had a shower today, and there's another few indicia that they knew I wasn't on their side.

00:08:47.440 So a ringleader came out and got in my way and touched my selfie stick. 1.00

00:08:53.040 The cops came in and calmed everything down pretty quick and asked me to give them a couple of feet.

00:08:56.820 I will. I'm not like the Antifa. I don't believe in censoring people.

00:09:01.400 I sort of want to do the opposite, ask them what they believe in.

00:09:04.700 But just a reminder that there is an alliance.

00:09:09.780 Why are you filming everybody?

00:09:11.180 I'm filming because it's a free country. What's your name?

00:09:15.220 Please stop filming. We're not happy about being filmed.

00:09:17.960 I can tell that, but it's a protest. Protests can speak to the public, aren't they?

00:09:22.740 Yeah, please turn the camera around.

00:09:24.320 I'm not going to do that because I'm a free country.

00:09:25.820 I don't mind. Oh, yeah. Hello, I'm Brian from Black Lives Matter.

00:09:29.560 Fuck off or racist. But people don't want to be filmed. 1.00

00:09:32.880 So do you mind, please, turning around?

00:09:35.580 Hi there.

00:09:40.820 Pardon? Do you speak English?

00:09:44.100 Okay. Well, it looks like the police don't want me to provoke.

00:09:50.060 I'm getting a gentle push from the police lady behind me. 0.95

00:09:53.520 How are you? So I'm going to sign off now because I got to, I'm going to go in.

00:09:59.260 I'm going to take this away now, okay? Because you're joking.

00:10:02.220 Do you have a ticket?

00:10:03.300 I'm on the guest list.

00:10:04.520 Yes. Then you need to go now.

00:10:06.220 Get a minute. Talk to this gentleman.

00:10:07.480 He said hello to me.

00:10:08.440 You can joke over there.

00:10:10.920 Oh, wait.

00:10:11.520 So you do speak English?

00:10:13.800 Well, I'm getting a gentle push or a back rub from a lady cop, which is a little bit disappointing.

00:10:22.100 I mean, it is the Free Press Society. It is sort of a gentle massage.

00:10:25.840 My last chance for what?

00:10:31.360 Just go over there, all right?

00:10:33.600 You need to stay inside of this, okay?

00:10:35.620 So if I'm over here, you'll arrest me?

00:10:37.060 No, he's going to do it.

00:10:37.880 If I stand over there, you'll arrest me?

00:10:39.900 You'll arrest me if I stand over there?

00:10:41.800 At a Free Press Society event?

00:10:43.980 You'll be famous.

00:10:45.340 You'll be famous.

00:10:46.240 There's no press cards.

00:10:47.500 There's no press cards in Canada.

00:10:49.940 So if I stand here, you'll arrest me?

00:10:52.300 No.

00:10:52.860 Will she arrest me if I stand here?

00:10:55.740 It's very strange.

00:10:57.460 The censorship at a Free Press event.

00:11:05.780 Anyways, as usual, it's the cops who buckle because they know that the path of least resistance

00:11:12.080 is to push around free speech activists as opposed to anti-foot thugs.

00:11:17.740 I wasn't roughed up in any way, but I was handled a little bit.

00:11:21.020 It's a little bit disappointing.

00:11:22.860 But I'll go inside now where the MPs, at least, still believe in freedom.

00:11:26.880 Yeah, a bit disappointing.

00:11:29.380 That, I think that's cops pretty much everywhere these days, isn't it?

00:11:32.620 Take the easy way, take the path of least resistance.

00:11:35.820 Which means moving peaceful people out and caving in to violent people.

00:11:39.960 That's not what a cop should do.

00:11:41.680 We've seen more and more of that in Canada, too, as our own David Menzies repeatedly gets

00:11:46.220 manhandled by cops for literally no reason.

00:11:49.120 He went to report on a pro-terrorist vigil in Toronto after that Iranian terrorist was killed.

00:11:55.040 And the police literally told David Menzies he could not call Osama bin Laden a terrorist

00:12:01.660 or he'd get arrested.

00:12:02.640 Remember that?

00:12:03.000 If I was to call Osama bin Laden a terrorist, that would be against...

00:12:07.300 I have a question, please.

00:12:07.680 Am I clear?

00:12:08.260 I know you're not clear, sir.

00:12:09.220 I can't call Osama bin Laden.

00:12:11.620 And it incites a breach of the peace.

00:12:13.140 He would be placed under arrest.

00:12:14.680 Terrorist?

00:12:15.340 Oh, what am I going to be arrested for?

00:12:17.620 What am I going to be arrested for, sir?

00:12:19.520 Another event, another cop, said that David was not a real journalist, so he had no rights.

00:12:25.760 As if our Canadian constitution gives free speech only to a list of approved people generated

00:12:31.060 by the government.

00:12:32.200 David, by the way, is the only journalist here at Rebel News who actually does have a

00:12:35.960 journalism degree, I should tell you, but I don't hold that against him.

00:12:39.900 What you're doing, so I'm cautioning you this off.

00:12:42.440 This is not journalism.

00:12:43.820 Do you have a journalism pass to be here?

00:12:45.800 Yes, I do.

00:12:46.520 I have press credentials.

00:12:47.760 No, you don't.

00:12:48.560 See, that's a lie.

00:12:50.220 I'm in a public place. 0.58

00:12:51.360 Yeah, that's gross.

00:12:52.740 When cops start sounding like Antifa, you've got yourself a problem.

00:12:56.240 Anyways, it was a great event, this award for Tommy, and I've been to dozens of these

00:13:00.780 things.

00:13:02.820 I feel like I sort of know what they're about, but I learned something new at this one, and

00:13:08.540 it was from Tommy's acceptance speech.

00:13:10.460 I'm going to play a few minutes straight from that speech now, so you'll see Tommy speaking.

00:13:15.720 This is his acceptance speech.

00:13:16.920 He had just won the free speech award, and he's giving actually a one-hour presentation.

00:13:20.340 You can find the whole thing on our website, tommyprize.com, if you want to see the whole

00:13:24.880 thing.

00:13:25.480 Anyway, in his speech, he plays some clips from Danish TV.

00:13:29.720 They're in Danish, but there's subtitles in English underneath.

00:13:32.860 This is truly incredible.

00:13:34.460 Now, this is a few minutes long, but I think you have to watch the whole thing, okay?

00:13:38.640 So watch this, and I'll come right back.

00:13:39.860 You can hear the Danish journalist asking him some questions about these applications.

00:13:44.000 If you're watching Guardian, there's something else that Tommy Robbins, who has asked on Facebook

00:13:50.760 to half-fugge muslimers. 1.00

00:13:52.760 He says, if he doesn't have done anything, how can I, as a journalist, check if you have

00:13:57.760 documentation for your opinion towards Tommy Robbins?

00:14:00.460 He says, if he doesn't have done anything, he says, if he doesn't have done anything else.

00:14:07.460 There isn't one post, really.

00:14:09.460 Let's have a little look at what they said in their press statement that went around the

00:14:14.340 entire world.

00:14:15.340 This went on the world's media, okay? 0.99

00:14:18.340 A post urging people to terrorise and behead those who follow the Koran. 0.98

00:14:23.460 Total lies. 0.60

00:14:26.460 Now, this interview with the head of communication has actually revealed a lot.

00:14:31.460 It revealed that I'm a designated hate figure, and people can go on Facebook and they can

00:14:37.460 write what they want about me.

00:14:39.460 In fact, using their guidelines, they can encourage murder about me, and it will not

00:14:42.460 get deleted.

00:14:43.460 But anyone says one positive word about me, they can be deleted.

00:14:47.460 Now, this would seem unbelievable.

00:14:49.460 Only negative stuff can be said about me all morning.

00:14:53.460 Let's see.

00:14:54.460 It's a hard reaction against him.

00:14:56.460 He has been overlooked.

00:14:57.460 But what's happening now, is that people who are talking about Tommy Robbinson from

00:15:02.460 fjernet of their opinion, are blocked, are blocked, or are being treated

00:15:05.460 and are being treated completely on Facebook.

00:15:07.460 How does that work?

00:15:09.460 Our rules are not to be talking about Tommy Robbinson.

00:15:13.460 You should probably strive for him.

00:15:15.460 I'm going to have an 18-pillar announcement there. 1.00

00:15:17.460 I'm going to have an idiot or something. 0.99

00:15:18.460 I'm going to have something. 0.99

00:15:22.460 Okay, so I'll ask you again explicitly.

00:15:25.460 We have laws in the UK, we have laws across Europe that prevent incitement to hatred.

00:15:30.460 We have criminal laws, and they're good laws, and people should be prevented from inciting

00:15:34.460 violence against people, I believe.

00:15:36.460 But what have I done?

00:15:38.460 What have I been convicted of by court of law?

00:15:41.460 What is it, I believe?

00:15:43.460 My opposition to Islam is what's resolved in this. 1.00

00:15:48.460 Literally any mention of publicity around me is removed, as this TV network found out

00:15:53.460 themselves, when they advertised the fact that I would be on their show, that they would

00:15:57.460 be disgustingly.

00:15:58.460 Not me on there.

00:15:59.460 Not promoting me.

00:16:00.460 Disgustingly.

00:16:01.460 I can't wait to open the forwards.

00:16:02.460 I can't wait to open the questions, although, at the same time you said, I'd call

00:16:03.460 talk more.

00:16:04.460 I can't wait to comment on Tommy Robbinson with the best news.

00:16:05.460 Lordøblum

00:16:06.460 The next time I recorded, I wrote things these to be taken from you.

00:16:08.460 I believe, the voice mentioned was once again he's began atapatizle at the

00:16:10.460 time.

00:16:11.460 We should do something about Tommy Robinson.

00:16:13.460 What is the best article on Tommy Robinson we should read in the redaction?

00:16:18.460 It took 9 minutes, and the proposal was removed.

00:16:22.460 Is it possible for the understanding of a phenomenon like Tommy Robinson,

00:16:26.460 and the possibility of talking about the thinking he represents,

00:16:30.460 that such a proposal was removed?

00:16:41.460 How many thousands of million people in my country have Facebook?

00:16:44.460 It's their main source of news.

00:16:46.460 They're now in control of that.

00:16:48.460 The ability for people to hear the other side of the story,

00:16:50.460 which is what we pride ourselves on, has now gone.

00:16:53.460 Who authorises who can and can't have Facebook?

00:16:58.460 Who is making these decisions?

00:17:00.460 Let's see.

00:17:02.460 So how can we go after this one?

00:17:04.460 Well, as I said, this complete list is 8-year-old.

00:17:08.460 And what are the list of people who are completely out of Tommy Robinson?

00:17:11.460 It's a list of people who, over our common rules of hate speech,

00:17:18.460 who actually doesn't allow people to support them.

00:17:22.460 Can you see the list?

00:17:23.460 No, I can't.

00:17:24.460 How long is it?

00:17:25.460 Well, I don't know.

00:17:26.460 I don't know.

00:17:27.460 I don't know.

00:17:28.460 I don't know.

00:17:29.460 I don't know.

00:17:30.460 I don't know.

00:17:31.460 I don't know.

00:17:33.460 It's not my role to be lediged in all the details of this.

00:17:38.460 Who has to decide who is on the list?

00:17:41.460 We have the team that is working on our politics.

00:17:44.460 So, some of Facebook's ancestors?

00:17:46.460 Yes.

00:17:47.460 And it's a work they are doing,

00:17:50.460 in cooperation with external experts, when they are doing it.

00:17:53.460 Thank you.

00:17:55.460 I've never seen anything like that before.

00:17:58.460 I've never heard of anything like that before,

00:18:00.460 other than, in rumors, banning someone for false reasons.

00:18:05.460 I mean, that I've heard of.

00:18:06.460 It's absurd to say Tommy wanted to behead people.

00:18:09.460 That's actually the style of the folks who want to kill Tommy.

00:18:13.460 That's not what Tommy says.

00:18:14.460 It's absurd.

00:18:15.460 It's absurd.

00:18:16.460 They eventually admitted it absurd, but they stand by their banning of him.

00:18:19.460 They literally say the only things you are allowed to post about Tommy online

00:18:23.460 are defamatory things.

00:18:25.460 You can only disparage Tommy.

00:18:27.460 Being neutral or supportive will get you banned.

00:18:29.460 You banned.

00:18:30.460 Have you ever heard anything more Orwellian in your life?

00:18:33.460 Full credit to the Danish TV station for actually asking those questions.

00:18:37.460 That's actually a shocker, too.

00:18:39.460 That TV station doesn't particularly like Tommy.

00:18:42.460 Honestly, they don't, but I guess they're true enough liberals in that Danish way.

00:18:47.460 They're not hardcore leftist radicals.

00:18:50.460 They're not anti-foot types.

00:18:51.460 They're not authoritarian bullies.

00:18:52.460 So they asked the question, but the banality and the calmness and the smiles

00:18:56.460 with which this Danish Facebook spokesman answered,

00:18:59.460 it was as if he was saying the whole time,

00:19:01.460 what are you going to do about it?

00:19:02.460 I mean, really, what are you really going to do about our secret enemies list

00:19:08.460 and our, you know, our crazy, what are you going to do about it?

00:19:11.460 I mean, Facebook is one of the richest companies in the world

00:19:14.460 and certainly one of the most powerful.

00:19:16.460 They're not afraid of Denmark, a country of five million people.

00:19:19.460 They might buy Denmark as a joke.

00:19:22.460 Authoritarians like Justin Trudeau get along well with Facebook

00:19:26.460 because they share the same enemies.

00:19:28.460 And Trudeau can do deals with Facebook.

00:19:31.460 He'll tax them lightly, maybe.

00:19:33.460 Or he'll regulate them lightly, as long as they do his political dirty work for him.

00:19:37.460 I mean, really, how long before we are depersoned here in Canada, too, like Tommy Robinson was.

00:19:43.460 And after that, I guess, how long until you're depersoned?

00:19:48.460 Stay with us for more.

00:19:50.460 Først slettede Facebook den radikale højrefløjsaktivist Tommy Robinsons profil.

00:20:07.460 Facebook slette opslag, der støttede Tommy Robinson.

00:20:11.460 Facebook slette opslag, der bare nævner Tommy Robinsons navn.

00:20:15.460 Han siger selv, at han ikke har gjort noget.

00:20:17.460 Hvor kan jeg som journalist tjekke, at I har dokumentation for jeres anklage mod Tommy Robinson?

00:20:23.460 Ja, altså, der er ikke sådan et opslag, som så er det, det var.

00:20:30.460 Og hvor kan jeg som journalist tjekke dokumentationen for jeres anklage?

00:20:34.460 Jamen, det kan du ikke endnu.

00:20:36.460 Og det er ikke fordi, jeg kan sidde her og love, at det kommer du til at kunne på et bestemt tidspunkt.

00:20:40.460 Så hvor kan man gå efter i svømmene?

00:20:43.460 Altså, som sagt, den her konkrete liste er ikke offentlig.

00:20:47.460 Og det er en liste over dem, der er helt udelukket som Tommy Robinson?

00:20:50.460 Det er en liste over de personer, hvor vi ud over vores almindelige regler imod hate speech,

00:20:57.460 faktisk heller ikke tillader folk at hylde eller støtte dem.

00:21:01.460 Kan man se den liste?

00:21:02.460 Nej, det kan man ikke.

00:21:03.460 Hvor langt er den?

00:21:04.460 Jamen, det ved jeg ikke. Jeg har faktisk heller ikke set den selv.

00:21:07.460 Står Hitler på den? Står Pol Pott på den? 0.83

00:21:10.460 Det ved jeg ikke.

00:21:11.460 Det er det mest fantastiske ting, jeg har vist.

00:21:14.460 Det konfirmer alle mine bedre bedre bedre om Facebook,

00:21:18.460 og faktisk mest sociale medierne i San Francisco,

00:21:22.460 som er, at de har et sikre set af regler for politisk hygien.

00:21:28.460 Og det mest fantastiske part om dette er,

00:21:30.460 at du kan tale om Tommy Robinson på Facebook,

00:21:33.460 men bare hvis du defamer ham.

00:21:36.460 Men det ville ikke hapnet i Canada,

00:21:38.460 vil det?

00:21:39.460 Jeg mener, vi er ikke så ruff som Tommy Robinson,

00:21:42.460 og hvis det var å hapne,

00:21:43.460 det ville hapnet til en ruffian like mig.

00:21:45.460 Not a respected Ph.D.

00:21:49.460 who writes for the leading newspapers of our country,

00:21:52.460 like Mark Milkey, vil det?

00:21:55.460 Well, in fact, it has.

00:21:57.460 And joining me now via Skype from Alberta

00:21:59.460 is our friend Mark Milkey

00:22:01.460 to talk about an experience he had with Facebook.

00:22:04.460 Mark, great to see you again.

00:22:06.460 Ezra, thanks for having me on.

00:22:08.460 Facebook is in an interesting position these days,

00:22:10.460 isn't it?

00:22:11.460 Yeah, now we had you on not too long ago

00:22:13.460 about your new book called The Victim Cult,

00:22:16.460 and how the culture of blame hurts everyone

00:22:20.460 and wrecks civilizations.

00:22:21.460 We went through it, and I really liked your premise.

00:22:24.460 It's that victimology, it undermines groups that embrace it,

00:22:31.460 whether it's aboriginal bands or Yasser Arafat,

00:22:35.460 and you have case studies.

00:22:37.460 And I think you wrote this with a great sympathy

00:22:40.460 to groups that are downtrodden in some way.

00:22:43.460 It's almost like a prescription of don't do this

00:22:46.460 because you'll be trapped in that negative spiral.

00:22:49.460 It almost felt like a tough talk, tough love, self-help guide

00:22:55.460 for minorities, I think.

00:22:58.460 Is that the spirit in which you wrote it?

00:23:01.460 Well, indeed.

00:23:02.460 And just a warning, right?

00:23:03.460 There have been 113 billion people in the history of this planet,

00:23:06.460 and seven billion of us are alive now.

00:23:08.460 We're going to knock into each other, even accidentally,

00:23:11.460 never mind the people among us and in history that seek to do harm.

00:23:15.460 So the question then is, what do you do about it?

00:23:17.460 So yeah, that's a basic premise of the victim cult.

00:23:19.460 Not that you deny that people have been harmed in history or now,

00:23:22.460 but how do you actually constructively combat that if you're a victim

00:23:26.460 or certain groups have been victims?

00:23:29.460 I mean, a friend of mine from the Ottawa Film Society,

00:23:33.460 Freethinking Film Society, described the book as very sympathetic,

00:23:37.460 a very sympathetic county of minorities and aboriginals as well.

00:23:41.460 So it's not that I'm denying that harm has occurred in history or now.

00:23:45.460 The key point of the book, though, is you better watch out

00:23:47.460 that you don't just get stuck there.

00:23:49.460 Otherwise, you're going to end up in the position of a lot of people

00:23:53.460 where you end up creating new victims.

00:23:55.460 So, and Barbara Kaye in the National Post noticed this.

00:23:58.460 You noticed this.

00:23:59.460 I mean, the book has been excerpted in the New York Post.

00:24:02.460 So along comes Facebook last week after begging me to advertise

00:24:06.460 for weeks upon end, you know, those annoying ads that sometimes

00:24:09.460 pop up in Facebook from Facebook.

00:24:11.460 So I decided to give it a whirl.

00:24:13.460 I put in a couple of ads, including one, by the way, on, you know,

00:24:16.460 are we too tough in Western civilization with a picture of John A. McDonald.

00:24:20.460 Well, after an initial couple of small runs of these ads,

00:24:23.460 testing them out on the Toronto market, the Calgary market, other markets,

00:24:27.460 I get these messages from Facebook that the ad has now been banned.

00:24:31.460 And when I appeal, they don't reinstate the ad.

00:24:34.460 What they do is they ban my advertising account.

00:24:36.460 This is Facebook vis-a-vis the victim cult.

00:24:38.460 We've got an image on the screen right now of your Facebook page

00:24:43.460 that you sent us showing, like, it's just a picture of the thumbnail,

00:24:49.460 a picture of the front of your book, a new book from Mark Milkey,

00:24:53.460 The Victim Cult.

00:24:54.460 And it just, you know, know someone who plays the victim.

00:24:57.460 This ad rejected.

00:24:58.460 This ad rejected.

00:24:59.460 And I think we have one more image to show as well,

00:25:03.460 if we can put that up on the screen.

00:25:05.460 This is the John A. McDonald one.

00:25:08.460 It's popular to blame multiple ills today on those long dead,

00:25:12.460 be they John A. McDonald or Christopher Columbus,

00:25:14.460 and then engage in Taliban-like raising of their statues.

00:25:18.460 And it goes on.

00:25:19.460 This is banned.

00:25:20.460 And I just want to read a little bit and then I'll throw right back to you, Mark.

00:25:23.460 But let me read the reason why this was banned.

00:25:27.460 It's incredible.

00:25:28.460 This ad can't run because it promotes products, services,

00:25:34.460 schemes or offers using deceptive or misleading practices,

00:25:41.460 including those meant to scam people out of money or personal information.

00:25:45.460 Example products that claim to boost Facebook likes.

00:25:48.460 These types of practices don't comply with our advertising policies.

00:25:51.460 You're selling a book.

00:25:54.460 You're not selling, you know, you're not a Nigerian prince asking people for their social insurance numbers.

00:26:00.460 You're selling a book.

00:26:02.460 And I think your book, in fact, I'm pretty sure it became a bestseller on Amazon.ca.

00:26:07.460 They're calling your book or your ideas, I'm not sure which, a scam.

00:26:13.460 Yeah.

00:26:14.460 I mean, it's like the guys at Facebook have never read books before, right?

00:26:19.460 I mean, maybe they're just busy tweeting at each other or in Davos or something.

00:26:23.460 I don't know.

00:26:24.460 I mean, it's incredible to me that, again, this is a book where it took eight years to get the victim call done.

00:26:31.460 It's been praised around the country now.

00:26:33.460 It's been reviewed, like I said, in some major newspapers, excerpted in the United States even.

00:26:37.460 I said an excerpt the other day from Australia on a website.

00:26:41.460 So there's obvious interest in this book.

00:26:43.460 And I'm very careful, again, to point out that people, you know, sometimes end up as being victims.

00:26:49.460 But what are you going to do about that?

00:26:51.460 But for Facebook, I mean, maybe it started with an algorithm, but I have appealed this now two times.

00:26:56.460 Well, there must be a human being somewhere in Silicon Valley or wherever, you know, Facebook hires its editors from that must have looked at the site by now, my own website, looked at the victim cult book and the reviews that I sent them and said, this is hardly, you're right, not only a Nigerian prince, not only am I not a Nigerian prince promoting some Ponzi scheme or attempt to get your bank account information.

00:27:18.460 I mean, this is on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca.

00:27:22.460 You promoted it.

00:27:23.460 I mean, it went up the charts when we talked in November.

00:27:25.460 So there's obviously there is obvious interest in the victim cult.

00:27:29.460 And it's not like I'm hiding.

00:27:31.460 My website has all sorts of reviews on it.

00:27:33.460 It's all over.

00:27:35.460 You know, it's a local bookstores across the country.

00:27:37.460 So, I mean, they didn't do any due diligence.

00:27:40.460 And I'm still kind of waiting on appeal.

00:27:42.460 As of this morning, I'm looking at the four ads that I created at Facebook's request.

00:27:47.460 Facebook business bugging me.

00:27:49.460 And they're still banned as of this morning.

00:27:52.460 Yeah.

00:27:53.460 We've got those four ads on the screen right now.

00:27:55.460 Three of them have a similar look.

00:27:56.460 And then there's that John A. McDonald version.

00:27:59.460 Now, I think I know the answer, but I'll ask anyways.

00:28:03.460 You have had no direct contact with any human at Facebook.

00:28:07.460 You've only been filling out automated forms, like a basic appeal form, right?

00:28:12.460 Yeah.

00:28:13.460 And automated responses, I think, copy and paste, perhaps.

00:28:16.460 If there is a real human being behind them, it's hard to tell. 0.87

00:28:18.460 I mean, look, this is how silly this is.

00:28:20.460 My aunt, who lives in another part of the country, you know, relatives like to promote

00:28:24.460 your, you know, your books and what you do, of course, right?

00:28:26.460 And we all have proud parents, proud aunts, all that kind of stuff.

00:28:29.460 Well, my aunt said when she forwarded one of these excerpts a couple of weeks ago

00:28:34.460 on which these ads are based, she received a warning from Facebook about forwarding this

00:28:39.460 particular promotion.

00:28:40.460 I think it might've been a John A. McDonald one.

00:28:42.460 So when you have an intelligent conversation about Canada's first prime minister, John

00:28:47.460 A. McDonald, and perhaps that maybe some of the anti-Western civilization folks are overdoing

00:28:51.460 it just a little bit.

00:28:53.460 Yeah.

00:28:54.460 You get a warning from Facebook if you're my relative that you shouldn't promote this

00:28:58.460 dangerous point of view.

00:29:00.460 I mean, look, Facebook is a private company.

00:29:02.460 I guess it can do what it wants.

00:29:03.460 I'm not asking for it to be thumped on by government.

00:29:06.460 What I'm asking for is a business, Facebook, which seeks me out and wants my advertising

00:29:13.460 dollars, not then turn around and waste my time by saying, maybe take a look at this ad

00:29:18.460 again.

00:29:19.460 Maybe this isn't working for us.

00:29:21.460 Maybe it's not working for you, Facebook, but it seems to be working for a lot of people

00:29:24.460 buying it off Amazon and their local bookstores.

00:29:27.460 Well, I, you know, when you said it's a private company, that's the sound of the libertarian,

00:29:33.460 the property rights absolutist.

00:29:36.460 And I think I was such a person until even four years ago.

00:29:42.460 But after Donald Trump won the 2016 election, after Brexit had won short months before that,

00:29:50.460 Brexit sort of sneaked through and then Trump made all of Silicon Valley and said,

00:29:54.460 what just happened?

00:29:55.460 And if you've watched, I don't know, the Google town hall the week after the election where

00:30:01.460 senior executives were literally crying, where they said, we can't let this happen again.

00:30:06.460 That's when the great censorship began, the great demonetization of conservative sites

00:30:12.460 and this extreme censorship.

00:30:15.460 They say they're against disinformation and foreign meddling.

00:30:20.460 That's a cover for the fact that they are the ones disinforming and meddling.

00:30:24.460 I mean, let me say the obvious.

00:30:26.460 Facebook, which is a company based in California, is censoring Canadian political commentary,

00:30:32.460 Canadian books.

00:30:33.460 They're meddling in our national discussions.

00:30:36.460 And when you have 2 billion of the world's 7 billion people on Facebook,

00:30:41.460 you now have a private company owning the public square.

00:30:45.460 It's like a company town.

00:30:47.460 And simply saying, well, if you don't like the way the policeman is being unfair in this

00:30:52.460 company town, we'll then move to another city.

00:30:56.460 I don't think those libertarian arguments work anymore when the company town becomes a

00:31:01.460 company country.

00:31:02.460 Well, let me raise a different problem.

00:31:04.460 Go ahead.

00:31:05.460 Let me raise a different problem.

00:31:06.460 I think that's at the core of all of this.

00:31:08.460 No one in their right mind has the expertise.

00:31:12.460 No one in their right mind can or should censor others content.

00:31:16.460 When we're talking about debates over words, over meanings, over civilizations, we're not

00:31:20.460 talking about a call to action, a call to violence in my book or most books.

00:31:25.460 I mean, you're talking about legitimate debates, never mind anybody's opinion of them

00:31:29.460 is legitimate or not.

00:31:30.460 So Facebook's problem is a problem with modern progressivism is that it's actually not liberal.

00:31:36.460 And by that, I mean, they should go back and read John Stuart Mill in addition to reading

00:31:40.460 the victim call.

00:31:41.460 They should go back and read John Stuart Mill on Liberty because no one can be an expert

00:31:45.460 in everything.

00:31:46.460 You can't possibly parse policy or idea debates if you're a 21 year old kid sitting in Silicon

00:31:51.460 Valley as an editor or wherever you've been assigned by Facebook to edit from.

00:31:55.460 You can't possibly negotiate these debates between billions of people, many of whom are

00:32:01.460 just as smart or smarter than you if you're sitting at Facebook trying to figure out

00:32:04.460 what's legitimate content or not.

00:32:06.460 So the best thing to do is to go back and read John Stuart Mill and actually figure out

00:32:11.460 that, listen, if you actually want to get the best ideas out there, if you actually want

00:32:15.460 good societies, you know, civilized societies, what you need to do is to let people debate

00:32:21.460 ideas.

00:32:22.460 Some of them are going to be wrong.

00:32:23.460 Some of them are going to be wacky.

00:32:24.460 But the best thing to do is to get them out there in the public square.

00:32:27.460 The moment you start, even as a company, censoring others, and you're right, there's 2 billion

00:32:32.460 people that belong to Facebook.

00:32:34.460 The moment you as Facebook begin censoring, not like radical calls to violence, but I

00:32:39.460 mean idea debates, whether it's me or Jordan Peterson or someone else, the moment you do

00:32:44.460 that, you actually do a disservice.

00:32:46.460 Because then you're going to get people go underground with some wacky ideas and there's

00:32:50.460 lots of people out there that have those.

00:32:52.460 And they're going to go underground and then you're going to get smacked one day with an

00:32:56.460 election or a result or an event that you don't like.

00:32:58.460 The best way to combat pernicious ideas, and there are lots of them, and I could combat some

00:33:03.460 of them in the victim cult, is to actually let these debates go on.

00:33:06.460 Again, I'm not talking about, you know, allowing people to post videos, you know, inciting people

00:33:11.460 to violence or terrorism.

00:33:13.460 We're talking about simple idea debates.

00:33:15.460 Why are some aboriginals in Canada poor?

00:33:17.460 Why do some succeed?

00:33:18.460 Why have East Asians in the United States and Canada succeeded despite past discrimination

00:33:23.460 in both countries?

00:33:24.460 Those are good things to think about.

00:33:26.460 But apparently Facebook is, you know, run by, I don't know, content editors that don't

00:33:31.460 get the value of actually having good liberal debates.

00:33:35.460 Yeah.

00:33:36.460 Well, you're making the moral points and you're talking about the long-term cultural benefits

00:33:40.460 of a free-ranging debate.

00:33:42.460 Those things you talk about, like incitement to violence, they already exist as crimes no

00:33:47.460 matter where they happen online in real life.

00:33:49.460 So we already have a lot to cover that.

00:33:51.460 Exactly.

00:33:52.460 I've been focused on this censorship issue pretty solidly for two years.

00:33:56.460 I mean, some could say a dozen years.

00:33:58.460 Mark, there's something in the States called the Communications Decency Act, and Section 230

00:34:03.460 of it grants immunity to companies like Facebook, Google, if they're simply a neutral platform,

00:34:11.460 sort of like a bulletin board in the public square that anyone can tack their message on.

00:34:16.460 If someone puts a illegal message on a bulletin board, you don't sue the bulletin board company

00:34:22.460 that someone tacked something onto if they're neutral, right?

00:34:26.460 It would be like suing a pay phone if someone made a death threat on the pay phone.

00:34:31.460 Well, the pay phone company's not listening to every call.

00:34:33.460 They're a neutral platform.

00:34:36.460 But when these companies start changing from neutral platforms where everyone is allowed

00:34:43.460 to talk other than pure obscenity, threats, et cetera, the things covered by the Communications

00:34:51.460 Decency Act, when they start censoring and editing, in my mind, they should lose their

00:34:57.460 immunity under Section 230.

00:35:00.460 And if they want to truly be editors of the entire world, let them be legally liable for

00:35:06.460 editing the entire world.

00:35:08.460 And I don't think they want that.

00:35:09.460 I don't know if you've looked that deeply into censorship on these platforms, but I am far

00:35:15.460 more afraid, Mark, of anonymous censors who don't even give you the courtesy of talking

00:35:21.460 to you and giving you their name.

00:35:22.460 At least when I went before the Human Rights Commission a dozen years ago, they gave me

00:35:26.460 some paperwork.

00:35:27.460 I knew who the complainant was.

00:35:28.460 I had a chance to say my piece.

00:35:30.460 I saw who my prosecutor was.

00:35:32.460 I still hated it.

00:35:33.460 But this is far worse.

00:35:34.460 Anonymous, cold, done.

00:35:36.460 You don't even know what happened.

00:35:38.460 And it's just, there's no appeal.

00:35:40.460 Well, and the appeals, again, seem to be lost in some algorithmic, you know, maze of bureaucratic,

00:35:48.460 you know, private messages that are copied and pasted, perhaps.

00:35:52.460 So it's, look, I mean, you're the expert in the legal issues here, and these would be

00:35:57.460 the states and Canada.

00:35:59.460 I mean, I'm loathe to tell a private corporation what it wants to do.

00:36:03.460 But I mean, look, maybe an analogous example is going back to the 1980s, where AT&T in the

00:36:08.460 United States had to be broken up, precisely because it had such a natural monopoly of

00:36:13.460 a position.

00:36:14.460 I don't claim to be an expert in natural monopolies in the public square these days.

00:36:20.460 I do think, I do wonder if there is a problem, though, with a corporation that has 2 billion

00:36:25.460 people, run by people out of Silicon Valley, God bless them, but, you know, that don't seem

00:36:32.460 to understand.

00:36:33.460 They cannot be experts in everything.

00:36:35.460 They cannot adjudicate between debates in the public square.

00:36:38.460 So they shouldn't try.

00:36:39.460 Yeah.

00:36:40.460 Well, listen, I, when I saw that this happened to you, I was most alarmed, because I'm used

00:36:47.460 to this happening to people like Tommy Robinson, and myself, and our company here at The Rebel.

00:36:52.460 But I regard you as one standard deviation more calm, one standard deviation more philosophical,

00:36:59.460 even professorial than us.

00:37:01.460 So if they're coming for Mark Milkey, and this is a form of a compliment, by the way.

00:37:06.460 I know.

00:37:08.460 If they're coming for you, the dam has been broken.

00:37:12.460 I think that we are not quite the first line, but we're the first line of defense.

00:37:17.460 If they're coming for Mark Milkey, we're already at the second, third ditch already.

00:37:22.460 It's time for everyone to do something.

00:37:24.460 And the crazy thing is, there's nothing you can do, other than maybe bust up the cartels

00:37:31.460 as Teddy Roosevelt did 100 years ago.

00:37:33.460 Mark, it's good to have you on the show.

00:37:35.460 Let's at least do something positive out of this.

00:37:37.460 What's the website?

00:37:38.460 I guess Amazon.ca is a good place.

00:37:41.460 Amazon.ca, local bookstores, markmilkey.com.

00:37:44.460 You can find the book all across the internet and in your local bookstores.

00:37:48.460 I recommend people go to Amazon.ca, and the reason for that is that helps your bestseller rankings.

00:37:55.460 So folks, if you type in The Victim Cult, it'll pop up there.

00:38:00.460 I know because I've done it myself.

00:38:01.460 You can add Mark Milkey, and you'll find it very quickly.

00:38:05.460 May I encourage you to defy the censors?

00:38:08.460 It's an excellent book, by the way.

00:38:10.460 Buy it for the book itself, but buy it to defy Facebook's censors.

00:38:15.460 Do that at Amazon.ca, so at least Mark gets the bestseller rankings.

00:38:19.460 Last word to you, Mark.

00:38:20.460 Do you think this was actually just a glitch in the algorithm,

00:38:25.460 or do you think this is what we're going to see a lot more of going ahead?

00:38:29.460 I think who designed the algorithm is the problem,

00:38:32.460 and Facebook needs to seriously consider a backing off from attempts to downgrade views

00:38:38.460 they think they might even disagree with.

00:38:40.460 I mean, how can you criticize a book?

00:38:42.460 How can you ban a book without even having read it?

00:38:45.460 So I think the core problem is just the thinking, perhaps, in Silicon Valley these days.

00:38:50.460 But I think you're absolutely right.

00:38:51.460 Look, I've seen you fight back against this nonsense,

00:38:54.460 and I think that one of the things I recommend in The Victim Cult is

00:38:57.460 if you think you've been unfairly treated, don't think like a victim.

00:39:00.460 Fight back, and that's what we're doing.

00:39:02.460 Yeah.

00:39:03.460 All right.

00:39:04.460 Well, listen, I'm so glad to have you on the show.

00:39:05.460 Thanks for your time.

00:39:06.460 I wish you good luck.

00:39:07.460 And keep us posted.

00:39:09.460 If they do change course, let us know.

00:39:12.460 If they do let you back on, let us know.

00:39:14.460 But as you saw at the top of the clip with that Danish Facebook executive saying,

00:39:19.460 no, no, we have secret blacklists.

00:39:22.460 I mean, it's right out of the book 1984, secret blacklists.

00:39:27.460 I feel we're in for darker days.

00:39:30.460 Mark Mielke, great to see you.

00:39:31.460 Thanks for your time.

00:39:32.460 Thank you, Ezra.

00:39:33.460 All right.

00:39:34.460 There you have it.

00:39:35.460 On Rebel News.

00:39:44.460 You know, one of the things I try and keep in mind as a journalist and for the journalists

00:39:48.460 we have is try not to talk about yourself too much.

00:39:51.460 I mean, I know my show is very opinion oriented, so I do a lot of I think and I believe.

00:39:56.460 That's the commentary stuff.

00:39:57.460 But for the news stuff, no one cares about the journalist.

00:40:00.460 I mean, journalists are self-centered by nature.

00:40:03.460 I suppose you're telling people about the world.

00:40:05.460 You feel like you have some high place, some celebrity.

00:40:08.460 But I think that the public doesn't care as much.

00:40:13.460 So I'm reluctant to go heavy duty on us, us, us.

00:40:17.460 But the fact that this censorship is coming for the media first makes it a large theme for the rebel.

00:40:23.460 You know what I mean?

00:40:24.460 I mean, we have so many fights when cops try and censor us, when Facebook or YouTube or Twitter tries to censor us, when we're deplatformed.

00:40:33.460 We're deplatformed.

00:40:34.460 And none of that is why I started Rebel News five years ago.

00:40:38.460 I started Rebel News and we're coming up on our fifth anniversary next month.

00:40:41.460 None of that is, you know, why we got into this business.

00:40:46.460 That's sort of talking about ourselves, right?

00:40:48.460 We were deplatformed.

00:40:49.460 We were censored.

00:40:50.460 But that is actually becoming a broader public policy problem.

00:40:54.460 Censorship and that clip I showed you from Facebook is the most terrifying.

00:40:59.460 Well, hey, before I go, can I show you a short ad I made for the Rebel News cruise?

00:41:07.460 Take a look at this.

00:41:08.460 We're doing another cruise.

00:41:10.460 I can't believe it.

00:41:11.460 We're sailing out of Vancouver.

00:41:12.460 We're going up to Alaska.

00:41:15.460 Don't worry, though.

00:41:16.460 We're going when it's super warm out.

00:41:18.460 We're leaving July 4th, 2020, sailing up the Inside Passage.

00:41:23.460 We're going to Ketchikan and Juneau.

00:41:26.460 That's the capital.

00:41:27.460 We're going to Skagway.

00:41:28.460 That's where so much of the gold rush started.

00:41:30.460 That is an amazing little town.

00:41:32.460 We're going to Glacier Bay.

00:41:34.460 That's where the glaciers calve off into the water and become icebergs.

00:41:39.460 I've done this cruise before.

00:41:41.460 It is so much fun.

00:41:43.460 It's very interesting, very different than a Caribbean cruise.

00:41:46.460 But here's what makes it the Rebel News Cruise.

00:41:49.460 Look at this guest list.

00:41:51.460 All of our on-air talent.

00:41:53.460 My friend David Menzies.

00:41:54.460 Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:41:55.460 Kian Bextie.

00:41:56.460 As well as some of our favorite guests.

00:41:59.460 Raheel Raza.

00:42:00.460 Candace Malcolm.

00:42:01.460 Manny Montenegrino.

00:42:03.460 And Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum.

00:42:06.460 By the way, this will be just a week after the Conservative Party chooses its Conservative leaders.

00:42:11.460 So I know Manny will have a lot to say about that.

00:42:14.460 Now, on this cruise, your time is your own.

00:42:17.460 But remember, we're going to be at sea for two full days out of the seven.

00:42:22.460 So on those days at sea when there's not that much to do, we will have panel discussions with the talent I've just outlined.

00:42:29.460 Q&A sessions, you can really mix it up with our people on a whole range of issues.

00:42:34.460 And every night at dinner, we'll eat together.

00:42:37.460 So on each night, you'll rotate to a different table and you can meet a different Rebel personality.

00:42:43.460 These trips are wonderful.

00:42:45.460 We've done them before.

00:42:46.460 I don't know if you know, but we've had Rebel cruises in the past.

00:42:50.460 We went to the Caribbean.

00:42:52.460 Here's some images of that.

00:42:53.460 Now, this will be a little bit different climatically, but it'll be just as much fun.

00:42:58.460 Half the fun is meeting your fellow Rebels.

00:43:01.460 And because we're sailing out of Vancouver, it's easier and more affordable to get to.

00:43:06.460 So please sign up now.

00:43:08.460 There's different kinds of cabins.

00:43:10.460 Take a look here.

00:43:11.460 There's fancy big suites if you want or more affordable smaller cabins.

00:43:17.460 But really, you're not going to be spending that much time in your cabin.

00:43:20.460 You're going to be on the boat.

00:43:22.460 Of course, all meals and things like that are included.

00:43:25.460 All the details are at rebelnewscruise.com.

00:43:30.460 In my life at Sun News at the Western Standard before that and here at Rebel,

00:43:35.460 I've done about 10 of these cruises.

00:43:37.460 And I have to say that they're some of the fondest memories I have because just for a week, I turn off the cell phone and I can spend time with our people without being rushed.

00:43:48.460 I'm not just dashing off an email.

00:43:50.460 I don't have to run.

00:43:51.460 Seven days we'll hang out together.

00:43:54.460 We'll see you at breakfast.

00:43:55.460 We'll see you at lunch.

00:43:56.460 We'll see you in Skagway or Juneau.

00:43:58.460 It's that low rush, low stress, hanging out, making friends.

00:44:04.460 I have to say these cruises are the best way to meet your fellow Rebel viewers and your favorite Rebels on TV.

00:44:13.460 So find out more and sign up quickly because the cruise is coming up in July.

00:44:17.460 Get all the info at rebelnewscruise.com.

00:44:21.460 So you coming?

00:44:23.460 I think it's going to be fun.

00:44:25.460 Have dinner with Kian. 0.99

00:44:26.460 Have lunch with David.

00:44:27.460 Hang out with me.

00:44:29.460 Let's spend a week together.

00:44:30.460 Go to rebelnewscruise.com.

00:44:31.460 That's it for today.

00:44:32.460 Until tomorrow.

00:44:33.460 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - January 21, 2020

War for free speech continues： Tommy Robinson in Copenhagen

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