Rebel News Podcast - Were our great-great-grandparents better at handling the Spanish flu pandemic a hundred years ago？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Today, I do something a bit different.

00:00:01.820 Instead of talking about the coronavirus today,

00:00:04.460 I talk about the Spanish flu just over 100 years ago.

00:00:07.760 And I ask the question, were our great-great-grandparents

00:00:10.980 smarter at fighting that flu than we are at fighting this virus?

00:00:15.880 I'd encourage you to become a Rebel News Plus subscriber

00:00:19.100 because I've got so many old-timey photos I want to show you.

00:00:22.120 Just great photos of different masks from 1918-19.

00:00:26.760 And there's this sunlight hospital I want to show you.

00:00:29.380 Obviously, if you're listening to this as a podcast,

00:00:32.020 you'll use your own imagination.

00:00:33.760 But if you had a subscription to Rebel News Plus, you could see the video.

00:00:38.220 I show you things that just, they were riveting to me.

00:00:42.100 I don't know. Maybe you find them as interesting as I do.

00:00:45.460 I think there's a lot we could have learned

00:00:46.960 from the common sense of people 100 years ago.

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00:01:07.080 Tonight, were our great-great-grandparents

00:01:19.780 better at handling the Spanish flu pandemic 100 years ago?

00:01:23.420 It's April 27th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

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00:01:41.600 The closest thing to a plague that's ripped through Canada

00:01:49.960 was the Spanish flu back in 1918-1919.

00:01:54.640 You know, we name diseases after places they're from.

00:01:56.820 It's not racist to call it the Spanish flu,

00:01:59.240 or to say Ebola, which is a river in Africa.

00:02:02.580 I'm just telling you that because the Chinese Communist Party

00:02:05.360 and its repeaters in the media party

00:02:07.500 keep saying it's racist to call it the Wuhan virus or the China virus.

00:02:11.400 Anyways, the Spanish flu was so deadly, 0.81

00:02:14.140 about 50 million deaths worldwide.

00:02:17.660 Soldiers coming home from the Great War,

00:02:19.020 cooped up in poorly ventilated ships crossing back the ocean.

00:02:23.280 About half a million died from the Spanish flu in the United States,

00:02:27.180 and 50,000 here in Canada.

00:02:30.160 And we only had a population of just over 8 million Canadians back then.

00:02:34.400 So proportionately, that would be like more than 200,000 dead today.

00:02:41.400 It looks like we're past the worst of the Chinese virus by now,

00:02:44.180 and the total death toll in Canada is just over 2,500.

00:02:46.940 So I know it's incredible to say it,

00:02:49.300 but the Spanish flu was nearly 100 times as deadly.

00:02:55.060 Or phrased another way,

00:02:56.300 what we're going through for now, for whatever reason,

00:02:59.560 is only 1% as deadly as that.

00:03:02.500 Here's a public notice published in 1918 by the mayor of Kelowna, B.C.,

00:03:07.980 one of the best places in the world, I might add.

00:03:10.460 Notice is hereby given that in order to prevent the spread of Spanish influenza,

00:03:14.140 all schools, public and private, churches, theaters, moving picture halls,

00:03:18.600 pool rooms, and other places of amusement, and lodge meetings

00:03:21.480 are to be closed until further notice.

00:03:23.140 All public gatherings constituting 10 or more are prohibited.

00:03:28.760 D.W. Sutherland, mayor, Kelowna, B.C., 19 October in 1919.

00:03:32.920 Now, I don't think it worked,

00:03:34.820 but it's like a time machine reading that, isn't it?

00:03:37.760 I wonder how long that went on for.

00:03:39.660 How long did students go without school back then?

00:03:41.520 I can't believe that Canada in 1918, 1919

00:03:44.260 would have tolerated bans on churches for long.

00:03:47.240 But I noticed that there was none of this made-up idea of social distancing.

00:03:52.620 I had never heard that phrase before last month, had you?

00:03:55.580 And certainly not mass house arrest for every Canadian,

00:03:58.920 which is basically what we're living under.

00:04:01.600 You'll notice that in Kelowna there,

00:04:03.200 they banned theaters and movies and pool halls,

00:04:05.980 but not restaurants or businesses.

00:04:08.400 They weren't crazy.

00:04:09.260 We cleared out all of our hospitals these past months,

00:04:15.080 making chronic cancer patients wait,

00:04:18.340 making elective surgery wait.

00:04:20.020 So we put people in pain

00:04:21.500 and made their lives worse for a surge that never came.

00:04:25.780 In the United States,

00:04:26.800 where the president didn't sulk in his basement for a month

00:04:29.500 in his pajamas like Justin Trudeau has,

00:04:31.840 their military built emergency hospitals and convention centers

00:04:34.680 and sailed massive Navy hospital ships to LA and New York.

00:04:38.860 But thankfully, they were never needed.

00:04:40.560 They were never used.

00:04:42.240 We were worried that hospitals would look like war zones.

00:04:46.360 Now they sort of look like sorority parties.

00:04:49.680 I'm not mad at those nurses and orderlies and doctors

00:04:51.960 across Canada, the United States, the UK,

00:04:54.820 partying in hospitals, making little videos like that.

00:04:57.740 I'm making my point.

00:04:59.020 The hospitals are pretty much empty.

00:05:01.020 You know, photography had just been born

00:05:05.140 before the U.S. Civil War.

00:05:07.920 So there are a few classic photos of the men

00:05:10.620 and the carnage of Abe Lincoln.

00:05:13.800 It makes it much more real to see the photos

00:05:16.540 than an ancient battle

00:05:18.140 for which we only have paintings and stories.

00:05:20.320 By the time 1918 came around,

00:05:22.300 photography had advanced greatly.

00:05:25.040 Cameras were common.

00:05:26.340 Look at this handsome group.

00:05:27.900 You don't see people dressing up like that

00:05:29.460 unless they're going somewhere very special these days, do you?

00:05:31.940 And everyone with a hat, I like that.

00:05:34.140 That one woman in the middle 1.00

00:05:34.940 doesn't seem to be wearing her mask right.

00:05:37.060 It's not covering her nose.

00:05:38.540 Don't tell the woman on the right.

00:05:39.760 She might throw her in jail. 1.00

00:05:41.480 They're not practicing social distancing

00:05:43.180 because they're all wearing masks,

00:05:45.080 so they don't need to.

00:05:46.000 They surely made their own masks

00:05:47.800 or their masks were made locally.

00:05:49.480 So there's no such thing as a mask shortage

00:05:51.500 because they weren't trying to import them from China.

00:05:54.260 People back in 1918, 1919 knew basic skills

00:05:57.820 like how to sew, didn't they?

00:06:00.480 This mask seems to cover just the nose, not the mouth.

00:06:04.500 Not sure how that works.

00:06:05.800 They look like a kind of bird, I think.

00:06:09.120 Hmm.

00:06:09.740 Here's a fellow making a fashion statement.

00:06:11.240 That statement could be different things, though.

00:06:13.080 I'm a pirate.

00:06:13.900 Arr.

00:06:14.540 Or I'm dying.

00:06:15.640 Arr.

00:06:16.220 Not sure which.

00:06:17.960 You know, in Canada,

00:06:18.740 people started making masks these past months,

00:06:21.340 including Aboriginal people making stylized masks

00:06:25.040 with Indigenous iconography.

00:06:27.740 That sounds great.

00:06:29.480 I'd like to get a cool mask like that.

00:06:31.620 Stay safe.

00:06:33.060 Fly your flag of Aboriginal pride a bit. 0.86

00:06:35.880 Make some money for the community.

00:06:37.360 Have a quality product, not some junk from China. 0.75

00:06:39.740 I really like the idea

00:06:40.980 that there were some Aboriginal artists making masks.

00:06:44.880 But the CBC literally published this article

00:06:46.920 targeting the Aboriginal community,

00:06:49.400 lying to them,

00:06:50.200 telling them that masks don't work.

00:06:53.000 Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster said that.

00:06:55.180 They lied.

00:06:55.720 Of course they did.

00:06:56.780 They were taking their cue from Teresa Tam.

00:06:59.440 Masks have to be utilized appropriately, too.

00:07:03.280 Most people haven't learned how to use masks.

00:07:05.240 So there's many practical aspects of this.

00:07:07.580 So our advice right now is

00:07:09.340 there is no need to use a mask for well people.

00:07:13.340 Yeah, pretty sure that's not true.

00:07:15.920 Hmm.

00:07:17.020 Pretty sure everyone knows that's not true.

00:07:18.900 Today, everyone knows it.

00:07:20.920 And our great-great-grandparents would laugh

00:07:22.940 at our stupidity for thinking otherwise. 0.61

00:07:24.760 Here's some Seattle cops wearing masks in 1918.

00:07:27.920 Masks made for them by the local Red Cross.

00:07:30.000 I'd trust the Red Cross over junk made in Chinese factories, 1.00

00:07:34.140 wouldn't you?

00:07:35.200 This photo is also from Seattle in 1918.

00:07:38.460 Wearing a mask, telling someone else

00:07:40.240 he has to have a mask on to get on the trolley.

00:07:42.680 I think maybe that's a staged photo to make the point.

00:07:46.180 Hey, guys, bring a mask.

00:07:48.640 Sounds like there were plenty of masks to go around, though.

00:07:51.540 And people were making them themselves.

00:07:52.940 Remember, that was an age where men had a handkerchief on them.

00:07:56.040 And women did, too. 0.95

00:07:57.860 So making a mask wasn't actually that big of a deal.

00:08:00.820 Here's a poster by the Alberta Board of Health in 1918.

00:08:07.700 The bottom half is how to make a mask.

00:08:09.860 Pretty simple instructions, followed by apply over mouth and nose,

00:08:13.300 as shown in the picture.

00:08:14.120 So yeah, our great-great-grandparents were smarter than

00:08:16.840 Teresa Tam and the World Health Organization today.

00:08:19.620 Let me read the top part of the poster.

00:08:22.000 So that's more sound advice right there in 1918 on a poster

00:08:50.640 than Justin Trudeau's government gave to sick arrivals

00:08:53.340 jetting in from China and Iran and Italy for months.

00:08:58.140 For months, there was nothing.

00:08:59.140 And then there was just this one-line touchscreen question,

00:09:01.840 have you been to Hubei Province, China?

00:09:03.780 And that's it.

00:09:04.280 Just come right on in.

00:09:05.300 Thanks for touching the touchscreen.

00:09:08.000 Here's a New Zealand health pamphlet from the Spanish flu.

00:09:11.960 It's not a public health order.

00:09:13.800 This is advice, suggestions by the local hospital board.

00:09:18.280 I'll paraphrase it because there's too much to read.

00:09:20.020 Go to bed directly when you feel symptoms.

00:09:22.180 That's good advice.

00:09:23.400 Go to bed in a room not occupied by a person who's well.

00:09:25.740 Good advice.

00:09:26.720 Take a drink of any kind of as hot as possible.

00:09:32.820 Take a light diet.

00:09:34.600 Don't depress yourself by looking at the bad side.

00:09:36.780 That's good advice.

00:09:38.960 Remember, the large majority of persons who take ill get well.

00:09:41.680 That's good.

00:09:43.100 Only one member of the family of the house should visit the patient's room.

00:09:46.720 Don't allow people to come into your room.

00:09:48.380 Look at this.

00:09:50.380 If no doctor has prescribed for you, take ammoniated quinine in a half to a teaspoonful dose in

00:09:57.900 plenty of water every four hours.

00:10:01.040 Add one teaspoonful of boric acid or borax.

00:10:06.000 That's pretty specific, isn't it?

00:10:07.300 I'm going to come back to those points in a moment.

00:10:09.480 So don't forget those.

00:10:11.440 Let me skip ahead.

00:10:12.160 Don't go outdoors except into direct sunshine.

00:10:17.680 Here's an outdoor sunshine treatment.

00:10:20.420 The patients of the flu virus were laid in the fresh air, their faces exposed to the sun.

00:10:26.280 I know that sounds like an old wives' tale, but no.

00:10:29.540 Here's an excerpt from the American Journal of Public Health back in October 1918 and an

00:10:35.200 editorial by the doctors called Weapons Against Influenza.

00:10:39.620 That was the name of the article in the journal.

00:10:42.040 So this is a scholarly journal.

00:10:44.620 Believe it or not, they said the most effective remedy was sunshine.

00:10:50.320 I'm talking about fighting the Spanish flu, which is an H1N1 virus.

00:10:53.180 Let me read.

00:10:54.620 The open-air treatment of Brooks was found by the Massachusetts State Health Department

00:10:59.020 to be the most valuable factor in reducing mortality.

00:11:01.920 Apparently, the fatality of hospital cases was reduced from 40% to about 13% by the treatment.

00:11:10.220 An invaluable incident to this treatment is the fact that in the open air, the immunity

00:11:14.780 of the nurses and physicians is enormously increased, leaving them to carry out the great

00:11:19.740 amount of work confronting them.

00:11:21.960 So that's pretty much the opposite of the orders of every politician and bureaucrat in Canada.

00:11:25.740 Don't go to the park.

00:11:26.820 We'll arrest you if you walk your dog. 0.54

00:11:28.620 Or if you go out and get sunshine, stay in your house.

00:11:30.420 Stay in the dark.

00:11:33.100 And we can see those cooped up in a closed space, like seniors' homes, is where so much 1.00

00:11:41.300 of the deaths in Canada happen.

00:11:42.900 That sunshine treatment, they had it right 100 years ago, didn't they?

00:11:46.920 So wear masks, self-quarantine if you're sick, get sunshine and fresh air.

00:11:52.280 By contrast, let me show you a clip from Calgary last week when a dozen police descended on a

00:11:56.600 pastor who was feeding the homeless, and they gave him a huge fine.

00:11:59.500 This is not an event.

00:12:02.300 This is not your picnic in the neighborhood for the fun of it.

00:12:06.640 We are providing necessities of life to those that you and your bosses refuse to provide.

00:12:13.880 Can you guys do the respective social distancing?

00:12:16.480 He's allowed to get...

00:12:17.040 Stand back for me a little bit.

00:12:18.140 I need eight feet.

00:12:19.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:12:19.780 I need eight feet.

00:12:20.600 Stand back.

00:12:21.680 Okay?

00:12:21.980 Or what?

00:12:22.380 You're going to f***ing threaten me and f***ing abuse me.

00:12:25.000 Hey, guys.

00:12:26.260 Do not do that.

00:12:27.200 Tell them not to touch me.

00:12:28.840 Six feet away.

00:12:29.180 Six feet away for everybody.

00:12:30.360 Back up now.

00:12:30.980 That's for everybody.

00:12:31.840 Yeah, I don't think cops in 1918 would have pushed around pastors feeding the homeless.

00:12:36.680 I think the cops might have actually helped feed the homeless, and the cops wouldn't have

00:12:40.560 ticketed someone for feeding them.

00:12:42.560 And if they were all high and mighty like that, they probably would have had the consistency

00:12:46.140 to wear a mask themselves.

00:12:48.100 What clownery.

00:12:49.480 The Calgary cops were breathing on and being breathed on, but boy, were they ever going

00:12:53.720 to give out tickets.

00:12:54.460 I mentioned the advice from the New Zealand Hospital Board to take quinine water.

00:13:01.160 You probably know that water by its commercial name, tonic water.

00:13:05.740 It's got that bitter taste.

00:13:07.740 People have a gin and tonic.

00:13:09.240 It's a very certain taste.

00:13:10.360 That's the quinine.

00:13:11.500 If you can believe it, it's an anti-malaria medication.

00:13:15.460 It's been taken for 150 years.

00:13:17.960 Of course, when it's prescribed, it's often in pill form.

00:13:21.120 One quinine-based medicine is called hydroxychloroquine.

00:13:24.800 And wouldn't you know it?

00:13:27.080 That's what Trump suggested taking in a tweet and in a press conference.

00:13:30.220 And so incredible, the Trump derangement people immediately said, you're a fool.

00:13:34.860 And they spent a month disparaging that medicine that they had never heard of before.

00:13:38.620 I love this satirical article in the Babylon Bee about a liberal who was saved by hydroxychloroquine

00:13:43.060 but wanted to die just to prove Trump wrong.

00:13:45.800 Anyways, that was some advice 100 years, too.

00:13:49.600 Take quinine.

00:13:50.840 That's what they would have called hydroxychloroquine.

00:13:52.700 And bleach, actually.

00:13:56.360 You saw that.

00:13:57.040 Remember that recommendation of using boric acid or borax?

00:14:02.660 They were mocking Trump for saying similar things, too.

00:14:05.500 I swear, Trump should use reverse psychology one day.

00:14:08.200 Say something literally the opposite of what he wants, what he believes, and watch the media

00:14:12.180 and the Democrats support his real position.

00:14:14.640 And sun-like.

00:14:15.400 Trump was talking about UV radiation and sun-like the other day, too.

00:14:19.500 And poor did they mock him.

00:14:20.880 Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful

00:14:27.380 light, and I think you said that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it.

00:14:32.440 And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do, either

00:14:36.680 through the skin or in some other way.

00:14:40.740 And I think you said you're going to test that, too.

00:14:42.960 Sounds interesting.

00:14:43.920 We'll get the right folks who could.

00:14:44.800 Right, and then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute.

00:14:50.840 And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

00:14:59.660 Because you see it gets on the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs.

00:15:03.240 So it would be interesting to check that.

00:15:04.680 So that you're going to have to use medical doctors with.

00:15:07.360 But it sounds interesting to me.

00:15:09.760 Oh, the media laughed and laughed and laughed at that one.

00:15:14.220 Donald Trump is so stupid.

00:15:17.440 Imagine actually suggesting sunlight and fresh air and borax.

00:15:23.000 Does he just make stuff up?

00:15:25.160 What an idiot.

00:15:28.660 Yeah, no, actually.

00:15:29.780 Check out this video from a biosciences research group affiliated with Cedars-Sinai Hospitals.

00:15:35.380 Take a look.

00:15:39.760 Take a look.

00:16:09.760 Take a look.

00:16:39.760 I don't know anything about that.

00:16:56.000 Other than that seems to be what Trump was talking about, the catheter with UV light.

00:17:00.700 He wasn't prescribing it.

00:17:02.140 He said he was interested in learning more about it.

00:17:04.160 He said it sounded helpful.

00:17:05.680 He said light helps.

00:17:07.080 I wonder if those folks back in 1918 would have at least given it a shot, try to save some lives.

00:17:15.060 Now, obviously, the 1918 virus killed many more Canadians than did the 2020 Chinese virus, almost 100 times more proportionally, as it showed.

00:17:23.060 Why is that?

00:17:23.680 Well, obviously, the virus back then was deadly, or obviously we have better health care now, not only to deal with acute crises, but I think in general.

00:17:31.960 I think people are healthier.

00:17:33.000 I mean, we're fatter for sure, but that's another way of saying we're not malnourished.

00:17:36.760 A lot of chronic conditions that may have made people weaker back then aren't factors now.

00:17:41.600 We can fix those things.

00:17:42.620 To be candid, I think that the relatively low death toll today isn't a function of anything that public health care bureaucrats did or politicians did, and certainly not police telling people they can't walk their dogs in the park.

00:17:54.780 But here's what I also know.

00:17:58.120 Our great-great-grandparents didn't use the excuse of the virus to send the country into a Great Depression or to arrest people for leaving their houses.

00:18:08.340 See, did you find those photos and handbills from 1918, 1919 interesting?

00:18:13.460 Those old-timey remedies?

00:18:14.780 I did.

00:18:16.900 I must have looked at 50 photos.

00:18:19.460 Well, tomorrow, unless some urgent news breaks, I'm going to tell you the most incredible story that I think we can learn from of when the Black Death came to the French port of Marseille in 1720, the last city in Western Europe to have the plague.

00:18:40.760 It's a terrifying story, but also some interesting lessons about quarantines and borders that we can learn from, too.

00:18:53.040 That's tomorrow.

00:18:55.100 Stay with us for more with Mark Morano next.

00:19:10.760 The solutions are out there.

00:19:26.100 There's no turning back.

00:19:33.940 I don't think the people in charge are near nervous enough.

00:19:40.760 That's Planet of the Humans, a new movie presented by Michael Moore.

00:19:47.580 I'm not 100% sure what that means.

00:19:50.460 I think they're piggybacking on his name and credibility.

00:19:54.200 He's one of the most successful documentary filmmakers of all time.

00:19:58.080 He's an icon of the left.

00:20:00.000 But in this shocking movie, he criticizes the schemes and scams of the global warming industry itself, savaging heroes, including Al Gore.

00:20:14.220 Here, take a quick look at this clip.

00:20:16.820 You might ask yourself, how could men destroy what remains of nature to enrich themselves?

00:20:22.600 Well, that's why they're billionaires, and you're not.

00:20:31.420 The takeover of the environmental movement by capitalism is now complete.

00:20:36.700 Environmentalists are no longer resisting those with a profit motive, but collaborating with them.

00:20:41.480 Your take on that, about $100 million pre-tax from a country that bases its wealth on fossil fuels, isn't there a bit of hypocrisy in that?

00:20:50.860 Well, I get the criticism.

00:20:52.760 I just disagree with it.

00:20:54.180 I'm proud of the transaction.

00:20:55.880 You couldn't find for your business a more sustainable choice.

00:21:01.020 What is not sustainable about it?

00:21:02.840 Because it is backed by fossil fuel money.

00:21:05.180 I get it.

00:21:05.680 I get it.

00:21:06.160 I get it.

00:21:07.560 The only reason we've been force-fed the story climate change plus renewables equals worse saved is because billionaires, bankers, and corporations profit from it.

00:21:18.640 And it's not just political banter.

00:21:20.660 They ask basic questions like the amount of energy and effort and mining and fossil fuels to make a wind turbine or a solar panel.

00:21:29.900 Well, there's no way it makes sense financially, but there's no way it makes sense environmentally.

00:21:35.860 Take a look at this clip.

00:21:37.720 The sun is renewable, but the solar arrays are not.

00:21:42.420 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:21:43.140 There's got to be something renewable.

00:21:44.500 Glass is renewable.

00:21:46.480 Glass is not renewable.

00:21:48.020 Iron is renewable.

00:21:51.200 Aluminum, that's renewable.

00:21:52.560 I reset my pop cans, solar cans.

00:21:54.580 I know it's renewable.

00:21:55.320 Yeah, the problem with all of these materials is that it takes an incredible amount of energy to mine and process all of the materials that go into building something like this.

00:22:05.860 You use more fossil fuels to do this, then you're getting benefit from it.

00:22:11.220 You would have been better off just burning the fossil fuels in the first place instead of playing pretend.

00:22:15.320 Now, I think there are obviously still flaws with this film, but it says things that were unsayable, and maybe that's Michael Moore's strength.

00:22:24.480 He's the only one who could call out the left on this because of his impeccable left-wing bona fides.

00:22:32.560 He's a hero on the left, the hard left, the progressive left, the Bernie Sanders left.

00:22:39.400 Well, you can imagine the reaction to this film, Planet of the Humans, has been outrage on the left.

00:22:45.800 Here is a lengthy rant by the leader of Canada's tiny green party, Michael Moore's dreadful, ill-informed, unhelpful film.

00:22:58.880 Oh, you know, he's on the right track.

00:23:01.520 Well, joining us now to talk about this and what it means and the strengths of this movie and its weaknesses is our friend Mark Morano.

00:23:08.140 He's the boss of ClimateDepot.com, and he joins us for a escape.

00:23:11.400 Hey, Mark, great to see you again.

00:23:12.420 Hey, thank you, Ezra. Happy to be here.

00:23:15.820 Yeah, what can I say?

00:23:17.140 I mean, this is a tour de force by Michael Moore, and we knew this movie was coming.

00:23:23.680 I think it was last summer, last fall.

00:23:25.660 Michael Moore had given some interviews and had been shown at some film festivals,

00:23:29.520 but he had actually talked about how he didn't know about solar and wind and how unreliable and how it couldn't replace fossil fuels.

00:23:35.840 And he got a lot of flack then, but not too much.

00:23:37.840 It's sort of faded. The movie's out now, and it just lays waste.

00:23:43.120 My favorite clip is the scene with Richard Branson and Al Gore, and I don't know where they got this.

00:23:49.480 It was at some renewable energy thing, and they had one of those fake media interviews.

00:23:54.740 But they asked him, is Al Gore a prophet?

00:23:57.020 Asked Richard Branson, sitting next to Al Gore, and he goes, it depends how you spell it.

00:24:00.940 And they all have a big belly laugh.

00:24:02.400 To me, that encapsulates what Michael Moore was able to uncover.

00:24:08.220 He goes through people like Bill McKibben, the hero of the climate movement, personal friend of Al Gore, is shown grappling, hemming, hawing.

00:24:16.780 Can't think of who funds 350.org.

00:24:20.060 He's asked repeatedly.

00:24:21.800 Again, I'm not even sure what media outlet.

00:24:23.540 I don't recognize these are like, you know, these must be like indie media on the left, progressive, that I've never even heard of.

00:24:29.840 But the reporter's actually grilling him, and Bill McKibben can't name a single donor, and she keeps saying, you don't know who funds you?

00:24:38.560 It's an amazing film.

00:24:39.920 However, and I think you alluded to this, the issues are he believes in climate alarmism severely, and his solution is essentially overpopulation, less people.

00:24:49.640 And I think that's where the movie fails, but if you just take that out of the equation, which isn't that big of a part, and focus on the fact that this is, quote, friendly fire from someone on the progressive left aimed at the progressive left, this is an amazing aha moment for many on the progressive left, particularly Michael Moore and his producer, Jeff Gibbs, who is the voice you hear in the movie.

00:25:12.500 Yeah, you know, that Branson moment, you're so right on that, because he poses as this organic, woke hero.

00:25:22.120 The guy's got an international airline.

00:25:24.260 I mean, I admire him for his capitalism, but I admire him for his chutzpah, for him to pose as a friend of the environment.

00:25:33.400 First, take a quick look at that clip that you're referring to.

00:25:36.380 Is Al Gore a prophet?

00:25:37.820 You know, there's a saying, only Nixon can go to China.

00:25:50.740 That is, Nixon was so strong on anti-communism, it's really how he made his name,

00:25:56.440 that when he went to communist China to do a deal to break Mao Zedong and others away from the Soviets to realign them against Russia,

00:26:08.280 that's such a dangerous, risky thing, but people said, well, we know that Nixon, of all people, won't go pro-communist.

00:26:17.080 He's got to be smarter than that.

00:26:18.640 He was trusted because he was a right-winger on communism.

00:26:21.740 I think that's the same thing here.

00:26:24.180 I mean, if you look at Michael Moore, from Roger and Me, his anti-GM movie to Fahrenheit 9-11,

00:26:31.880 bowling for Columbine, his anti-gun movie, Trumpland, like the guy really is a hero to the left.

00:26:39.740 There's no pet cause he hasn't championed.

00:26:41.740 So he has really 20, 30 years of goodwill, and for him to deploy that at Al Gore, at all these heroes of the left,

00:26:53.760 it really would be as shocking as if I came out for a carbon tax and announced I was transgender.

00:27:01.880 Like, it's that kind of shock value.

00:27:03.940 What do you think happened?

00:27:08.060 Do you think he's just a universal skeptic and he just hated the fact these billionaires were tricking everyone?

00:27:14.720 Do you think he's just a perpetual dissident and he wanted to fight the power and he realized the powerful were the Al Gore's?

00:27:20.500 What made him flip?

00:27:23.120 Well, I think you hit directly on it.

00:27:24.860 First of all, Michael Moore went to Cuba and all he could talk about was how great Castro's literacy rates were and how great the health care system was.

00:27:33.800 That gives you an idea of his bona fides on the left.

00:27:37.260 I mean, this guy, you can't get more respect.

00:27:39.700 He also, by the way, and this is interesting because I think there's an honest part.

00:27:43.500 He honestly believes what he presents, meaning he, in 2016, was one of the few on the progressive left.

00:27:49.380 I mean, the progressive left and the mainstream were convinced Donald Trump would never win.

00:27:53.060 And Michael Moore called it early on and said that everything he sees, Trump's going to win.

00:27:57.660 So he has that streak in him.

00:27:59.860 Now, I think it's exactly what you say, Ezra.

00:28:03.060 He realized early on, and if you watch even up to the first like 10 minutes of the movie, he talks about the Obama stimulus, the $90 billion, the things that led to Solandra and the other debacles.

00:28:14.540 But he has all the clips and interviews and Richard Branson and others at the time, Al Gore and President Obama bragging about all the money that's going to come and all the all the energy and how fossil fuels are finished.

00:28:26.960 And this is they're going to just take over.

00:28:28.860 And this is all they've ever waited for.

00:28:30.560 Blah, blah, blah.

00:28:31.280 And essentially, bupkis happened. 0.99

00:28:33.900 OK.

00:28:34.480 And Michael Moore knows that.

00:28:35.940 So what happened was, and I think this is exactly what you say, he doesn't like big corporations, concentrations of wealth.

00:28:43.000 And so he sees the green energy scam for exactly what it is.

00:28:46.580 The Soros, the Bransons, the Al Gores, all of these into this, the so-called renewable fields.

00:28:53.020 And he sees all the con that they're doing and who's profiting and who's making money and who's not delivering on their promises.

00:29:00.040 And for his troubles, Ezra, Josh Fox of Gaslin, Michael Mann of the Climategate, United Nations hockey stick fame, infamous, signed petitions, pressured the distributor.

00:29:12.200 For a brief time, there was the distributor had agreed to pull the movie.

00:29:15.960 And then because of pressure against censorship from many conservatives, they decided not to pull the movie.

00:29:22.100 You have the left going bonkers right now trying to censor Michael Moore's message.

00:29:27.340 Yeah, now, I think that, I mean, I remember that clip you're talking about when Michael Moore early on called Trump a winner.

00:29:38.440 I want to play a very quick clip of a speech he gave in Michigan in 2016 before the election.

00:29:45.260 And here's what this said.

00:29:46.560 And I've played this clip a dozen times.

00:29:48.880 I haven't played it recently.

00:29:49.780 But what it showed me is that for all his partisanship, and I remember when Michael Moore had a pride of place at the Democrat nomination, I think it was in 2000, I forget what year it was.

00:30:00.440 But he was a real Democrat Party hero, but he was not so blinded by partisanship.

00:30:05.100 He, there's this little anecdote he told about Trump going right in to talk to the CEOs in Detroit, saying that if they'd better bring their manufacturing back to America, and if they didn't, he'd punish them, or they should be punished.

00:30:22.780 He could get past any aesthetic differences he had with Trump to realize, oh, my God, maybe this guy's right.

00:30:30.480 And he, let me just play the clip for you, because I thought it was so telling.

00:30:33.300 Take a look at this.

00:30:33.880 Whether Trump means it or not is kind of irrelevant, because he's saying the things to people who are hurting.

00:30:41.500 And it's why every beaten-down, nameless, forgotten working stiff who used to be part of what was called the middle class loves Trump. 0.56

00:30:50.460 He is the human Molotov cocktail that they've been waiting for. 0.94

00:30:56.500 The human hand grenade that they can legally throw into the system that stole their lives from them.

00:31:01.980 Here's what I take away from that.

00:31:03.460 I dislike Michael Moore in about five different ways, but I think he has a grain of intellectual honesty.

00:31:10.480 Even though I think he's wrong, I think his stats are often wrong.

00:31:14.460 Any guy who could say, you know, Trump is talking to the working man in a way the Democrats aren't, that's honesty.

00:31:19.220 And I think when he looks at that oleaginous Al Gore, who took all the money from Qatar to buy his TV network, when he sees that, I think there's enough authenticity deep, deep, deep hidden within him that he said, I am not a sucker.

00:31:38.980 I am not going to be suckered by these guys.

00:31:41.360 That's my theory, that he has a scrap of honesty, and he said, I'm going to call out these swindlers.

00:31:46.720 I think you're right.

00:31:49.700 In fact, where I think this is very consistent with Michael Moore, he doesn't like that sort of nexus of government, corporate, basically aligning to what he sees as screwing the little guy, crushing the little guy.

00:32:04.560 So what happened here, he followed the money.

00:32:07.960 And if you go back, I remember CBS News even reported, you know, the Obama stimulus package went to nine out of 10 or some high number, 80 percent Democratic donors to Obama.

00:32:18.240 He could see a financial scheme when one was presented, and he saw it with green energy.

00:32:25.220 And then to have his producer go out, and some of the most just powerful scenes of the movie aren't with these big political figures.

00:32:32.020 They're with the low-level activists at these demonstration events with solar panels and windmills out in the desert, you know, and even in parking lots and other places where they do all the flashy stuff, and they mention all this great stuff about renewable.

00:32:46.780 They start asking in Michael Moore's film inconvenient questions, and then the advocates, the salesmen for solar and wind are admitting on camera, well, you know, this would only be enough to power a few houses, even though we're taking up all these football fields, et cetera.

00:32:59.420 And then they talk about how much it is to make the solar panel.

00:33:03.280 At one point in the film, they refer to the green energy as a pretend energy, you know, kind of like we can pretend to get energy from these compared to fossil fuels.

00:33:12.980 So it is just phenomenal that someone on that side – he joined someone by the name of Michael Schellenberger, who actually was one of the architects of the Green New Deal and was all excited with Obama's stimulus package.

00:33:25.220 And he, too, became disillusioned.

00:33:27.260 He is now – he's still much – not as much as Moore, but still believes in a climate, you know, that we have to deal with climate, that it's a problem.

00:33:34.880 But he is now against the entire green energy movement.

00:33:37.380 And he's actually spoken very highly of this movie, Michael Schellenberger.

00:33:41.260 So he's a major figure on the left, Time Magazine's hero of the environment.

00:33:44.960 So Michael Moore is not alone in this transition.

00:33:47.660 So I would tell my fellow climate skeptics out there, support Michael Moore.

00:33:52.860 I know a lot of people are still attacking him for his overpopulation, for his climate alarmism.

00:33:57.520 Let's look past that and let's embrace him because he's not going to have many friends on the left after this.

00:34:03.220 Yeah, you're so right.

00:34:04.160 And I agree with you.

00:34:05.360 He still accepts the premise that there's a problem with too many people, even though the movie's called Planet of the Humans.

00:34:12.140 I mean, listen, I think humanity is the best thing about the earth.

00:34:17.900 And I don't think we're actually overpopulated.

00:34:20.500 I think, you know, actually there's more people eating better food and more nutrition now than ever in history.

00:34:28.520 I think that that's sort of a gloom and doomism that's been around since the Club of Rome 50 years ago.

00:34:35.360 But put aside those deeper ideological things.

00:34:38.420 As you point out, at least he is taking on the false, the hucksters, these people with the snake oil salesmen saying,

00:34:48.020 I deeply support your belief that there's a problem.

00:34:51.500 So buy my carbon credit, signed Al Gore.

00:34:54.100 So at least he's taking on the charlatans.

00:34:56.880 And that's really the front line.

00:34:58.760 I think, though, that he's doomed.

00:35:01.980 Because although he has a following and he has an authenticity, he is so small compared to the various forces he's going up against who have billions, billions of dollars.

00:35:16.880 And filmmaker, well, Al Gore is the one who got the Nobel Prize and the Oscar.

00:35:20.940 And so he's going up against an army of propagandists.

00:35:26.240 I think he's going to lose this one.

00:35:27.940 He's going to be unpersoned, much like the co-founder of Greenpeace, Dr. Patrick Moore, has been erased from Greenpeace's history because he's a skeptic of them.

00:35:38.660 I admire what he's done here.

00:35:40.700 I think it was career suicide.

00:35:41.940 I do.

00:35:44.240 I mean, if you could see the reaction, I'm following this on Twitter.

00:35:47.280 Josh Fox, who did Gasland, has been leading this charge against Michael Moore's film.

00:35:53.560 But the comments, people are saying, I've been a lifelong fan.

00:35:56.380 I've loved everything you've done.

00:35:57.820 I can no longer tolerate this.

00:35:59.680 I will have nothing to do.

00:36:00.780 You have destroyed yourself in my eyes.

00:36:02.780 People emotional, people almost in tears and crying, just vicious, upset.

00:36:08.260 And I think you're absolutely right.

00:36:09.240 But I don't think Michael Moore really cares.

00:36:10.600 I don't think he wants that kind of adulation from the left.

00:36:14.260 I think he'll be happy to sort of be a curmudgeon of everyone.

00:36:18.020 And I think, who knows?

00:36:19.840 I mean, I spent a lot of time in my book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change, focusing on politically left-wing scientists and commentators who reverse themselves and are now skeptical of global warming.

00:36:31.880 I don't think it's a very far stretch once man realizes the con of the Bill McKibben's, of the Al Gore's, of the Richard Branson's, of the George Soros and all these, the funding, this stuff.

00:36:42.080 Once you realize that, you start looking into the science and you realize, hey, wait a minute.

00:36:46.360 The same people pushing climate alarmism are the same people pushing solar and wind to replace fossil fuels.

00:36:52.800 And it ain't going to happen in any technologically feasible way at any time in the future that we can foresee.

00:36:58.920 So, once he starts unraveling it, I don't know how he can hold on to his other views.

00:37:03.460 And you mentioned, Ezra, overpopulation.

00:37:05.280 I mean, the new problem is underpopulation.

00:37:08.120 Many of the same people who were worried in the 70s and 80s of overpopulation have now reversed themselves and are looking at it as population stabilizes.

00:37:16.660 We're going to be facing a decline in population later this century based on latest projections.

00:37:21.240 So, the key to population, by the way, if you're worried, wealthier.

00:37:25.680 The wealthier the country and the societies are, the less the population stabilize and actually end up declining, especially if you take out immigration.

00:37:34.540 So, it's an amazing thing.

00:37:36.040 Wealth equals prosperity, health, life, stabilizing population.

00:37:41.260 That's what you would want.

00:37:43.120 Well, you know, I'm amazed by this turn of events.

00:37:48.360 I think that maybe Michael Moore, at the end of the day, is a gadfly, a leader of the opposition, so to speak, who, you know, always wants to be on the outside.

00:37:59.740 And I think society needs people like that.

00:38:01.640 I think we have too many conformists.

00:38:04.180 And even though I know that I disagree with him on so many things, including his past body of work and his underlying ideology,

00:38:11.820 the fact that he has made the choice to take on his own team shows an honesty that I did not know he had in him.

00:38:20.740 And I'm impressed with it.

00:38:23.040 By the way, you mentioned Josh Fox, who's leading the charge against Michael Moore.

00:38:26.280 I recall learning when I was writing my book about fracking called Groundswell,

00:38:31.400 that Josh Fox was supported by the government of Venezuela, an OPEC country, in his movie Gaslands.

00:38:40.120 So, it's no surprise to me at all that Josh Fox is attacking Michael Moore.

00:38:47.440 Josh Fox will work for cash, as so many of these activists will.

00:38:51.160 Listen, it's very interesting.

00:38:53.000 Last word to you.

00:38:54.220 Is there any advice you'd give to Michael Moore on what to cover next?

00:38:59.160 Well, first of all, just on Josh Fox real quick, he did the absolute, just pure propaganda showing the well water on fire,

00:39:07.740 which was a known thing, you know, with well water and going back to 1920s, 30s.

00:39:14.340 So, he did a whole con to try to scare people about fracking.

00:39:17.100 But the advice to Michael Moore is very simple.

00:39:19.600 You know, just keep following the evidence.

00:39:22.680 And it is, again, this isn't Michael Moore just did an opinion piece.

00:39:25.320 He exposes them in this movie, in the interviews, and in the documents, and in the just following them and on camera.

00:39:32.660 It's an embarrassment to watch.

00:39:34.080 You feel bad for the renewable energy hucksters out there who've been selling all this nonsense.

00:39:39.680 So, my advice is just to stay strong.

00:39:41.900 But he doesn't really need my advice.

00:39:43.260 I mean, he's going to do what he does.

00:39:44.360 And I think he'll like this.

00:39:45.440 He's riding this controversy all the way to, I think there's 3 million viewers so far on YouTube,

00:39:50.960 just in the last few days for his film because of this controversy.

00:39:54.760 Yeah.

00:39:55.340 Well, very interesting.

00:39:56.400 Great to catch up with you, Mark.

00:39:57.540 Thanks very much for joining us today.

00:39:59.580 Thank you, Ezra.

00:40:00.340 Appreciate it.

00:40:01.080 All right.

00:40:01.300 There you have it.

00:40:02.080 Mark Morano, the boss of climatedepot.com.

00:40:05.820 And we're going to embed that Michael Moore YouTube video on our website.

00:40:09.820 Of course, as Mark and I both said, we don't agree with everything the man says.

00:40:13.300 But to have a man of his station make those points is very rare indeed.

00:40:17.700 So, you can watch the whole movie elsewhere on our website.

00:40:20.200 Stay with us.

00:40:21.400 More ahead on the rebel.

00:40:31.220 On my monologue Friday about the war on civil liberties and how we're fighting back at the

00:40:35.320 fightthefines.com, Rhea writes,

00:40:39.040 It's Trudeau's assault on civil liberties just like his Chinese masters want. 1.00

00:40:43.760 You know, it's so unnecessary.

00:40:46.060 But because the public is worried and because they're trusting authority and because no one

00:40:54.620 knows what to do, they're granting Trudeau permission to use his bullying authority.

00:40:59.720 There have been a few attempts to push back.

00:41:02.240 One of the only effective things I can point to Andrew Scheer about lately is that he spoke

00:41:07.900 out against Trudeau's attempt to grab all legislative and spending power to rule by fiat

00:41:14.360 till the year 2021.

00:41:15.240 So, there was a push back at that.

00:41:17.340 Even the media party thought Trudeau went too far.

00:41:19.340 But his out of control spending, his deference to the globalists of the UN.

00:41:24.500 I think Trudeau's going to take advantage of the situation to make everything worse.

00:41:32.380 To me, the tip off of that, the worst case, was Dominic LeBlanc's plan to bring in a ban

00:41:39.660 to criminalize inappropriate chatter about the virus.

00:41:44.200 I don't know if that'll ever see the light of day, but the fact that we're thinking about

00:41:46.740 it shows their mindset.

00:41:49.080 Paul writes, this is madness.

00:41:50.660 It's happening in Ireland as well.

00:41:51.860 No such thing as the Civil Liberties anymore.

00:41:54.300 Yeah, I just can't get over the fact that the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, look

00:41:58.060 at their middle name, Civil Liberties, they're not fighting these cases.

00:42:01.600 They say they're going to do some report about it after the fact.

00:42:04.760 That's like saying, I'm not going to save your life.

00:42:06.200 I'll do an autopsy after you're dead.

00:42:09.460 On my interview with Derek Sloan, Steve writes, I don't think it's racist to criticize her,

00:42:13.940 Teresa Tam.

00:42:15.120 It has nothing to do with her race.

00:42:16.420 It's her manner.

00:42:17.720 No, it's not even her manner.

00:42:18.940 Her manner suggests a style or a tone or a personality.

00:42:23.820 It's not her manner.

00:42:24.780 I don't care about her manner.

00:42:27.100 You know, people said Stephen Harper was a cold fish.

00:42:29.540 I don't care.

00:42:30.880 I'm not looking for a boyfriend or a girlfriend.

00:42:33.220 I just want someone who's going to give me good advice.

00:42:36.700 I don't care what they look or sound like, what their manner is.

00:42:38.940 In fact, her manner is rather cool and cold and clinical.

00:42:46.000 I don't care.

00:42:47.060 Her manner doesn't bother me in one bed.

00:42:49.340 It's that she takes instructions from the World Health Organization.

00:42:52.200 Her instructions are colored by the interests of communist China.

00:42:56.160 And she's telling us things that are such obvious BS.

00:42:58.160 And my big point of showing the Spanish flu from 1918, 1919 was to show you how all of

00:43:04.400 her advice flies in the common sense of our own great grandparents.

00:43:08.880 I mean, she said foolish things.

00:43:12.680 Brian Jang writes, no, it's not racist.

00:43:15.560 A lot of Asian people want her fired. 1.00

00:43:17.180 It's not sexist either.

00:43:18.220 A lot of women want her fired too. 1.00

00:43:20.120 Well, exactly.

00:43:20.640 I think one of the most effective world leaders in the face of this Wuhan coronavirus has been

00:43:27.260 the president of Taiwan, who happens to be an Asian woman.

00:43:32.740 That's not why she's so good at it. 0.99

00:43:35.780 She's good at it because she doesn't trust communist China, because Taiwan has been expelled 0.52

00:43:39.760 from the World Health Organization.

00:43:41.420 So they learned, A, don't trust the World Health Organization.

00:43:44.680 And B, you're on your own.

00:43:46.020 Make your own decisions.

00:43:46.720 So the fact that they freed themselves mentally, politically, psychologically, financially from

00:43:52.560 the World Health Organization means they could actually take care of their people.

00:43:56.020 They could have quarantines for incoming people from China.

00:43:59.640 They could build a national mask production and then assist them to distribute the masks

00:44:04.880 so the Chinese don't buy them all up and bring them back to the mainland.

00:44:08.020 That is the best countervailing role model to Theresa Tam. 1.00

00:44:14.360 Now, President Tsai of Taiwan or Theresa Tam of Hong Kong, both are ethnically Chinese.

00:44:22.980 I love President Tsai.

00:44:25.320 Tam's got to go.

00:44:26.860 It's got nothing to do with gender or race.

00:44:29.220 It's brains and heart and loyalty to our country rather than the globalists.

00:44:34.500 President Tsai loves her country and it shows.

00:44:36.340 I think Trudeau and Patty Hajdu and Theresa Tam are literally obeying the UN's orders and

00:44:45.180 that's killed people.

00:44:47.460 Well, folks, that's the show for today.

00:44:48.720 I hope you join in tomorrow.

00:44:50.680 I don't know what you thought of me about me going deep on the Spanish flu.

00:44:53.560 I learned so much about the plague and Marseille, France, when I was doing some work on my presentation

00:45:00.460 tomorrow.

00:45:00.860 I do hope you'll come back and tell me what you think of it.

00:45:04.700 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,

00:45:08.060 good night and keep fighting for freedom.

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Rebel News Podcast - April 28, 2020

Were our great-great-grandparents better at handling the Spanish flu pandemic a hundred years ago？

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