Rebel News Podcast - April 25, 2020


The war on civil liberties： How we're fighting back against Canada's Chinese-style police


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In this episode, an update on the war against civil liberties being fought by some very Chinese-style police forces in Canada. Why should others go to jail when you're not the biggest carbon consumer in the world? And why should you care?

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Today, I sum up for you the first four cases in our Fight the Fines campaign.
00:00:07.200 As you may know, we're doing the civil liberties work that the Civil Liberties Association won't.
00:00:11.860 So I'll take you through those and tell you about our process, and hopefully you'll find it
00:00:16.020 interesting. Before I do, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus.
00:00:21.900 It's all the video versions of these podcasts, plus access to Sheila Gunn-Reed and David Menzies.
00:00:27.300 Okay, here's today's podcast.
00:00:30.000 Tonight, an update on the war against civil liberties being fought by some very Chinese-style 0.99
00:00:48.840 police forces in Canada. It's April 24th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
00:00:55.340 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:00:58.920 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:03.240 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my
00:01:07.840 bloody right to do so.
00:01:14.100 For more than a year, I've been showing you these dystopian videos of policing in China.
00:01:19.680 China has very strong censorship. Since January 1st, China's Communist Party has had full,
00:01:23.920 direct access through a backdoor key into the entire internet that passes through their country.
00:01:29.640 As in, if there's a server in China, a company that's based in China, whatever, they must,
00:01:34.620 as a matter of law, just let China in to see and record and capture whatever they like. 0.99
00:01:40.060 It's not like in Canada and the United States where a government needs to go to court to get a search
00:01:44.500 warrant to snoop. In China, it's just continuous. Frankly, the companies don't even know what's being
00:01:50.400 taken and not. It's just continuous access to everything. Here's our friend Gordon G. Chang telling
00:01:55.080 us a bit about this law a few months back, just to refresh your memory.
00:01:58.600 Clearly, Huawei is a danger. If you allow Huawei into your 5G network, whether it's a core or non-core
00:02:06.400 equipment, it is going to be able to take data. And by the way, that distinction between core and
00:02:13.160 non-core probably is meaningless in reality. China's 2017 national intelligence law requires
00:02:20.620 every Chinese entity to spy if demanded. So that's Chinese law. And the second thing is in
00:02:26.420 the Communist Party's top-down system, nobody can refuse a request from the party to do something.
00:02:34.580 So those contentions by Huawei just don't hold water. As a matter of law, they are under a compulsion to
00:02:41.920 spy. So there's also laws requiring social credit before you even get the right to use the internet,
00:02:48.280 to use a cell phone, to book a plane ticket or train ticket. Isn't that interesting?
00:02:51.780 If you show any anti-social behavior, that's what they mean by social credit.
00:02:55.980 They mean any disagreement you have with the Chinese police state. They'll just simply keep
00:03:00.480 you off the internet, ban you from travel, even from certain apartments in the city. So they're
00:03:05.900 basically relegating you to a pre-industrialized life of being a peasant picking rice if you're
00:03:11.860 badly behaved. That's the total control they have over there. So I've been showing these horror
00:03:16.840 videos from China, which combine authoritarian governments and high-tech gadgets. Some of the
00:03:22.420 gadgets are made by Western companies. Some are being made by Chinese companies. Some are being made
00:03:27.420 by Chinese companies that simply stole the technology from Western companies. I mean, seriously, 0.84
00:03:33.220 after watching the Chinese government in action these past months, would you seriously allow
00:03:37.600 Huawei to build your phone and computer and internet and emergency systems backbone like,
00:03:44.700 I don't know, your 911 system, your military communications? Imagine letting China build that 1.00
00:03:50.040 for you. Yeah. Welcome to Canada. Anyways, the actual virus has come, and I think it's not premature
00:03:55.340 to say. It's now past its peak. The curve has been flattened, or more to the point it was never that high
00:04:00.900 to begin with. So we're getting better. Thank God the death toll was low. I'd even say very low,
00:04:06.040 and I'd call it microscopic for people who didn't have a pre-existing condition.
00:04:11.300 Here's a chart of who has died since the virus came to New York City. Now, this is New York City
00:04:15.760 data. I showed it to you because no Canadian jurisdiction had this kind of specificity.
00:04:19.960 You can see that almost no one, seriously, almost no one, you'd almost be more likely to be struck by
00:04:25.780 lightning than to die as a teenager from the virus. It doesn't happen. It doesn't, unless you have an
00:04:33.600 underlying condition, really, if you're under 60 and you're healthy, you're fine. That may be called
00:04:39.060 comfort of people who are over 60 or unhealthy. Over 70, really, is where the worries start, but
00:04:44.260 statistically, it should be a comfort because now we know we can pull our attention away from people
00:04:50.240 who aren't at risk and give more attention to those who are at risk. So as the medical risk subsides
00:04:56.220 and we understand it better, well, now the economic risk grows. Like I say, people under 60 are fine, 1.00
00:05:01.840 but those are precisely the people who are out of work. It doesn't make sense to me. That's the big
00:05:06.620 crisis now, I think. Did I show you this statistic before? In Alberta, for every 1% the unemployment rate
00:05:12.580 has climbed, there have been 16 more suicides. That's the price of unemployment and poverty and depression
00:05:18.600 and stress. So that translates into about 150 more suicides per percentage of unemployment on a national
00:05:26.380 basis. And of course, unemployment has jumped by about 15% in the last month. So 15 percentage points,
00:05:33.840 150 more suicides per point. So we're well over 2,000 deaths that could be expected from suicides
00:05:39.980 alone from the mass unemployment. And that's just suicide. I should tell you that's more than the number
00:05:45.760 of Canadians who have died from the virus. So the economy is now the biggest danger.
00:05:51.140 That makes me very sad. Frankly, it feels the same way it felt when Trudeau canceled the Northern
00:05:55.760 Gateway Pipeline and the Energy East Pipeline and the Trans Mountain Pipeline and the Tech Frontier
00:06:00.000 Oil Sands Project. That's what, $40, $50 billion I've listed right there just in construction jobs.
00:06:05.400 Tens of thousands of families who are being told they are not allowed to work. That's what gets me.
00:06:10.640 It's one thing if there were an extrinsic problem, no one wants to buy what you're selling,
00:06:13.820 there's a global downturn in the economy, times are tough around the world. Those sort of exist now.
00:06:18.520 But when those pipelines were killed, look, there was a massive demand for something and investors
00:06:23.220 were willing and able. And it was a politician that nixed it. That's the worst. I mean, right now,
00:06:28.080 the price of oil is so low, some oil futures are actually negative. That's nuts. But imagine if we
00:06:33.440 had three or four massive construction projects on the go right now. Those construction projects would
00:06:38.400 continue to completion because, of course, you don't need the price of oil. It's irrelevant when
00:06:43.520 you're actually constructing something. And by the time these pipelines were operating in a few
00:06:47.940 years, the price of oil would be high again. In the meantime, building the pipes alone would
00:06:51.900 sustain the economy a fair bit. But we've got nothing. But my comparison is this part. You have
00:06:56.620 a job. You have an employer willing to pay you. You want to work. But some politician tells you you
00:07:01.720 can't. Even though we now see the young people don't really get sick from this. And then if we take
00:07:06.860 care of the elderly, we'll all get through it. That's what's frustrating. It's a slow burning pain. But
00:07:10.980 there's another kind of pain, an acute pain, of watching the violations of our civil liberties.
00:07:15.860 At least it pricks me more sharply. It's the difference between a headache and a bee sting,
00:07:21.020 I guess. I get it when I see things like this. This is when I get the bee sting pain.
00:07:26.400 It's being arrested, this mother. You've got to be kidding me. 0.99
00:07:29.920 Why? Wait, wait, wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
00:07:35.900 As a person, does this make sense to you?
00:07:42.900 As a person, not as a police officer.
00:07:46.900 As a person, does this make sense to you?
00:07:49.900 His mother is being arrested for being kissed.
00:07:56.900 Letting her kiss on the playground, she's being arrested. 0.86
00:08:01.900 That's from the United States.
00:08:11.900 That made me so mad.
00:08:13.900 Why did you handcuff her? 1.00
00:08:15.900 Was she going to attack you? 0.57
00:08:17.900 Was she going to run away or something? 0.58
00:08:20.900 Was she a risk of violence?
00:08:22.900 Or did you just really want to humiliate her, especially in front of her kid?
00:08:25.900 I've shown you this outrage from the UK before.
00:08:27.900 Cops actually smashing through someone's door because someone heard that there was a party going on in his house.
00:08:33.900 So the guy was actually alone.
00:08:35.900 Hello?
00:08:36.900 Right.
00:08:37.900 Listen to us.
00:08:38.900 Hello?
00:08:39.900 We're had a call, haven't we?
00:08:40.900 Because we're going to come, otherwise...
00:08:41.900 Right.
00:08:42.900 There might be something going on here, so...
00:08:44.900 Right.
00:08:45.900 We need to double check.
00:08:46.900 I appreciate what you're saying about social distancing, so I'm giving you the distance.
00:08:50.900 Yeah, fuck off.
00:08:51.900 Right, so we need to check the room for a bit.
00:08:53.900 Go, go, go.
00:08:54.900 What's your name?
00:08:55.900 What's your name?
00:08:56.900 Stay away from me.
00:08:57.900 What's your name?
00:08:58.900 It doesn't matter.
00:08:59.900 What are you doing in me house?
00:09:01.900 What are you doing in my house?
00:09:03.900 I've just explained to you.
00:09:04.900 What are you doing in me house?
00:09:05.900 I've just explained to you why we're here.
00:09:07.900 We've had a call that was a disturbance, that's why we're here.
00:09:09.900 You're like, what, so you keep me door in?
00:09:11.900 Should you have opened the door?
00:09:12.900 No.
00:09:13.900 Can you explain that to you?
00:09:14.900 No, I told you why I wouldn't open the door is because of what is going round this virus now.
00:09:20.900 Right.
00:09:21.900 Fuck off.
00:09:22.900 Right.
00:09:23.900 I'm sorry.
00:09:24.900 You might have it.
00:09:25.900 Fucking dole.
00:09:26.900 Don't sign satisfied, everything's alright.
00:09:27.900 Go away.
00:09:28.900 Come on.
00:09:29.900 Get in here, you dickhead.
00:09:30.900 Go on, have a look.
00:09:31.900 We're just checking.
00:09:32.900 I want dickhead. 1.00
00:09:33.900 It's alright.
00:09:34.900 I want Saga and the Swarm Stager.
00:09:36.900 Yeah.
00:09:37.900 Yeah.
00:09:38.900 No going on in here, is there?
00:09:40.900 So what you mean putting me door through for them?
00:09:43.900 We told you.
00:09:44.900 Fucking dole.
00:09:45.900 You fucking pathetic.
00:09:48.900 Get out of here.
00:09:50.900 You absolute disgrace.
00:09:53.900 Haven't you got all else to do?
00:09:55.900 You've put my fucking door through.
00:09:57.900 Yeah, we have.
00:09:58.900 I hope you're gonna fucking...
00:09:59.900 What are you gonna fucking do to that?
00:10:02.900 Oh, shut your fucking mouth, you fucking brain-dead cunt. 0.96
00:10:07.900 We'll be going here.
00:10:08.900 Get out.
00:10:09.900 Fucking paid what 20 grand a year to be a fucking knobhead.
00:10:13.900 Fuck off.
00:10:14.900 Get out.
00:10:15.900 Am I fucking out?
00:10:17.900 Get the fuck out.
00:10:19.900 What are you?
00:10:20.900 Bye.
00:10:21.900 Bye.
00:10:22.900 Bye.
00:10:25.900 Fucking idiots.
00:10:26.900 Broke me fucking door.
00:10:29.900 Look at the fucking state of this.
00:10:33.900 Huh?
00:10:35.900 British fucking police.
00:10:38.900 Look at the fucking state of it.
00:10:41.900 Imagine the UK, the home of the castle doctrine.
00:10:45.900 A man's home is his castle. 0.98
00:10:47.900 Not even the king himself can enter a man's home without a search warrant.
00:10:50.900 But these cops heard there were, I don't know, a couple people having a party.
00:10:54.900 So they smashed the door.
00:10:56.900 One more video.
00:10:57.900 What for?
00:10:58.900 What for?
00:10:59.900 Spike, are you harassing me? 1.00
00:11:00.900 What for?
00:11:01.900 I haven't done nothing wrong.
00:11:02.900 Tell these blake.
00:11:03.900 What, what, what?
00:11:04.900 Give me the definition of harassment.
00:11:05.900 Give me the definition of harassment.
00:11:06.900 Give me the details.
00:11:07.900 Give me the piece.
00:11:08.900 I've seen your car.
00:11:09.900 Shut up. 0.95
00:11:10.900 Shut up. 0.95
00:11:11.900 And if you want to fucking step to me and pull for your chest out, something like that,
00:11:14.900 then fine.
00:11:15.900 I'll lock you up.
00:11:16.900 We'll do that, shall we?
00:11:17.900 I'll make something up.
00:11:18.900 So that cop just says he'll make something up.
00:11:20.900 What an outrage.
00:11:21.900 Now, these are all foreign videos, just like the China videos I've shown so often.
00:11:25.900 That's not Canada, right?
00:11:27.900 Well, wrong.
00:11:28.900 And so I want to tell you a little bit about the battle that we've started to fight.
00:11:31.900 We can't fight the virus itself.
00:11:33.900 That's beyond our expertise.
00:11:34.900 And we can't help the economy other than to add our voice to those calling for an opening
00:11:39.900 up of more businesses.
00:11:40.900 But we can certainly help on the civil liberties side.
00:11:43.900 That's what's happening.
00:11:44.900 We have the Chinese virus, but we also have the virus of Chinese-style social credit, really.
00:11:50.900 That's what they call it.
00:11:51.900 Oh, you have a house party.
00:11:53.900 We'll bash your door into check.
00:11:54.900 It's not actually a crime.
00:11:55.900 It's social control.
00:11:56.900 But the Canadian civil liberties groups, including the Canadian Civil Liberties Association,
00:12:00.900 whose middle name is Civil Liberties, they've announced that they simply will not fight
00:12:06.900 any cases during this crisis.
00:12:09.900 They just plain old say it.
00:12:11.900 They don't have the resources to fight.
00:12:13.900 What?
00:12:14.900 I checked.
00:12:15.900 They have a budget of more than a million and a half bucks, especially for this.
00:12:18.900 And they have a network of pro bono lawyers.
00:12:20.900 That means Top Gun lawyers who agree to do some free legal work as a form of charity.
00:12:25.900 So the 1.5 million doesn't even have to be spent on the lawyers themselves.
00:12:28.900 But they literally will not help anyone.
00:12:31.900 What a joke.
00:12:32.900 They say that if you get hit over the head with a billy club or fined for sitting by yourself
00:12:36.900 in a park or whatever, just send them an email about it and they'll put it in their big book
00:12:41.900 they plan to publish in a few months.
00:12:43.900 They won't actually help you.
00:12:44.900 They won't actually fight the authoritarian virus, but they'll do an autopsy after it's
00:12:48.900 all done and tell us how bad it was.
00:12:51.900 What on earth?
00:12:52.900 This is their moment.
00:12:53.900 This is why they were created.
00:12:54.900 This is why people donate to them.
00:12:55.900 This is their very name.
00:12:56.900 And they're just sitting it out.
00:12:58.900 Why?
00:12:59.900 Well, I can't stand it.
00:13:00.900 And as I think you know, we've reached out to some civil liberties lawyers that we know,
00:13:04.900 like Sam Goldstein here in Toronto.
00:13:06.900 And we put together our own homemade civil liberties association.
00:13:09.900 Lawyers across the country.
00:13:10.900 And we take in cases through our website at fightthefines.com.
00:13:14.900 There's a form there that people can fill out just to tell their story.
00:13:17.900 And then Sam calls the people who fill out the form, checks them out.
00:13:21.900 And if it's a case that fits, we'll take it.
00:13:23.900 And then we assign that case to a lawyer, either Sam himself if it's in Ontario,
00:13:27.900 or other lawyers in other jurisdictions like Sarah Miller in Calgary. 1.00
00:13:31.900 And then one of our journalists interviews the client and interviews the lawyer and tells
00:13:36.900 the story.
00:13:37.900 See, we want to win not only in the court of law, but in the court of public opinion also.
00:13:41.900 We want to have a teachable moment, as the left would say.
00:13:44.900 Show Canadians that it's okay to say no to a cop who wants to break into your house.
00:13:47.900 It's okay to say no to a cop who wants to handcuff you for being with your daughter in
00:13:51.900 a park or for walking your dog.
00:13:53.900 We have to remember that we're free and that a pumped up pandemic panic doesn't change that.
00:13:58.900 So since we launched Fight the Fines a week ago, we've had, I think, 11 cases present
00:14:03.900 so far, and nine of them are pretty legit.
00:14:05.900 So far we have four cases that have gone through that process I described.
00:14:09.900 We've had a lawyer interview them, our reporters talk to them, we made a video, we've taken
00:14:12.900 the case, and the others are in the process.
00:14:15.900 I'd like to show you some snippets of the four cases we've taken first.
00:14:20.900 Each of them is frustrating in its own way, and I want to ask you, does the policing look
00:14:24.900 like Canada or a bit more like Russia or Iran or, you know, China?
00:14:29.900 Here's our very first case.
00:14:30.900 It was a pastor who was feeding the homeless in Calgary.
00:14:33.900 This is not an event.
00:14:34.900 This is not your picnic in the neighborhood for the fun of it.
00:14:39.900 We are providing necessities of life to those that you and your bosses refuse to provide.
00:14:47.900 You've got all kinds of events happening right now, and yet the Calgary's finest are not bothering them.
00:14:56.900 This is the hypocrisy of this city.
00:14:59.900 This is the hypocrisy of our wonderful, fearless leaders.
00:15:04.900 Where is the head named she? 0.99
00:15:06.900 The mayor of this city.
00:15:07.900 Can you guys do the irrespective of social justice?
00:15:10.900 Stand back for me a little bit.
00:15:11.900 I need your feet.
00:15:12.900 I need your feet.
00:15:13.900 I need your feet.
00:15:14.900 Stand back.
00:15:15.900 Okay?
00:15:16.900 Or what?
00:15:17.900 You're going to f***ing threaten me and f***ing abuse me.
00:15:19.900 Hey, guys.
00:15:20.900 Do not do that.
00:15:21.900 Tell him not to touch me.
00:15:22.900 Six feet away for everybody.
00:15:24.900 That's for everybody.
00:15:26.900 That's for everybody.
00:15:27.900 That client, Arthur, makes a good point.
00:15:28.900 This wasn't a fun picnic.
00:15:29.900 This wasn't like when you invite friends over for a lark.
00:15:32.900 This wasn't a social event.
00:15:34.900 This was a feed the homeless project.
00:15:36.900 It wasn't optional.
00:15:37.900 It was essential.
00:15:38.900 It wasn't a party.
00:15:39.900 It was feeding people who were too marginal even to be allowed in the homeless shelter for whatever reason.
00:15:43.900 And they sent a dozen cops and that one cop pushing them?
00:15:47.900 Okay, here's the second case.
00:15:49.900 This is a man who had police come to his private house and demand to know how many people were having dinner.
00:15:54.900 You guys have to disassemble.
00:15:56.900 I'm not.
00:15:57.900 I'm not.
00:15:58.900 We're not.
00:15:59.900 We're practicing our freedom of religion.
00:16:00.900 They can't come against our religion.
00:16:01.900 Well, we'll come back then.
00:16:02.900 You get another ticket.
00:16:03.900 I don't care.
00:16:04.900 That's fine.
00:16:05.900 I'm not paying it.
00:16:06.900 You can tell your supervisor that too.
00:16:07.900 How did they know how many people were having dinner at his house?
00:16:10.900 Were they spying on him?
00:16:11.900 How do you feel about that?
00:16:12.900 Cops coming to your house?
00:16:13.900 Like, how would you feel?
00:16:14.900 Here's another case.
00:16:15.900 This one frustrated me so much.
00:16:17.900 Some measures put in place, I guess, on the 3rd with the Eastern Ontario Health Unit, some guidelines.
00:16:23.900 And the officer popped into our business.
00:16:26.900 It would have been the 5th of April when he popped in, late in the afternoon, to inform us that we weren't in compliance with the new rules that were laid out by EOHU, Eastern Ontario Health Unit.
00:16:39.900 And immediately we began reading over the document that he left us.
00:16:46.900 He had told us that he's not going to be issuing a fine at this time.
00:16:50.900 He would allow us a little while to read over things and put these measures into place, which would be the plexiglass and the arrows on the floor for social distancing.
00:16:59.900 So he wasn't going to fine us until he spoke it over with Dr. Paul Remuliotis at the Eastern Ontario Health Unit, and they would determine whether a fine would be put in place.
00:17:08.900 However, the officer come back within the hour, and he fined us $880.
00:17:16.900 Look at those two.
00:17:17.900 They're just shell-shocked.
00:17:18.900 First they were robbed, and the cops didn't seem to care about that.
00:17:22.900 And then the cops come by, tell them to put up that plexiglass thing and the tape or whatnot.
00:17:27.900 But then they came back in less than an hour to fine them.
00:17:30.900 No discretion, no common sense, just punishing two hardworking citizens.
00:17:34.900 I'm so angry about that, aren't you?
00:17:36.900 And then our fourth one, we just released this this morning.
00:17:39.900 Take a look at this.
00:17:40.900 It's crazy.
00:17:41.900 I brought her out to do her business, and I was out here maybe five minutes, six minutes.
00:17:46.900 I came back to the back door.
00:17:48.900 I don't use the elevator because I don't want to run into any people.
00:17:52.900 To the third floor, and I got to the third door.
00:17:55.900 There were two policemen standing in front of my apartment with masks on, like yourself.
00:18:01.900 And they had the ticket already made out.
00:18:04.900 They whipped it out like Matt Dillon and handed it to me.
00:18:08.900 $880.
00:18:10.900 I was just outraged.
00:18:13.900 I didn't go downtown Walmart.
00:18:15.900 I didn't go downtown Sarnia.
00:18:16.900 I didn't go anywhere.
00:18:17.900 Just out here to this parking lot to let my dog do her business. 1.00
00:18:21.900 As a matter of fact, if you and I were to go in the back door right now, and we walk up to the third floor, I can guarantee you we won't run into anybody because they want to use the elevator and I don't use the elevator.
00:18:33.900 Just for the specific purpose of not running into anybody.
00:18:37.900 So that senior citizen, I think he's a senior, he's living on his own in an apartment. 0.59
00:18:41.900 He says he never leaves his room other than to walk the dog for a bit.
00:18:44.900 He takes the stairs down so he doesn't bump into anyone else in the elevator.
00:18:48.900 They all take the elevator.
00:18:49.900 So he takes the dog out to the parking lot for a pee and then he goes back into his apartment.
00:18:52.900 What are the cops saying here?
00:18:54.900 That he literally cannot leave his house ever?
00:18:57.900 And how about his dog?
00:18:58.900 Is he not allowed to take his dog out to do his business?
00:19:00.900 Where should his dog go pee?
00:19:02.900 In the apartment?
00:19:04.900 If so, is this being done in the name of health?
00:19:08.900 I bet it was that Trump hat, you know.
00:19:10.900 I bet that's why he got the ticket.
00:19:12.900 So those are our first four cases.
00:19:14.900 Each one more frustrating than the next.
00:19:16.900 We have a bunch more that we're working on, some faster than others.
00:19:19.900 And we're getting more every day through our complaints form.
00:19:21.900 I see the complaints as they come in.
00:19:23.900 I can hardly wait to show you some of them, but I want to make sure we do it right.
00:19:27.900 It's bad right now.
00:19:30.900 I think this is important work.
00:19:32.900 And it's work that the official people aren't doing.
00:19:34.900 The Canadian Civil Liberties Association is literally throwing up its hands in the audience,
00:19:38.900 not taking a single case.
00:19:40.900 Seriously, guys, why not just shut down?
00:19:42.900 The name is false advertising.
00:19:44.900 You know, it's not the first time we've acted as a civil liberties group because no one else would.
00:19:48.900 We've been fighting for freedom of speech, often alone in court.
00:19:52.900 No allies from the Civil Liberties Association, the Canadian Association of Journalists,
00:19:56.900 Canadian Journalists for Free Expression, Reporters Without Borders.
00:20:00.900 They've never once lifted a finger.
00:20:01.900 And you know what?
00:20:02.900 That's fine.
00:20:04.900 I think we're doing okay on our own.
00:20:08.900 I think we're doing something important.
00:20:10.900 And if you agree, well, please help us out.
00:20:12.900 We're paying our lawyers, not a ton, but enough to get them working hard and fast.
00:20:16.900 You can go to fightthefines.com to chip in.
00:20:19.900 And almost every day we'll have a new case that we put up on that website.
00:20:24.900 I actually think we're going to make a difference.
00:20:27.900 In fact, I see that the Ottawa police have announced that they're going to stop arresting people
00:20:32.900 just for sitting on a park bench.
00:20:33.900 You can tell that the police are starting to feel public support is falling away.
00:20:37.900 I don't want public support for the police to crater.
00:20:39.900 I don't want the police to be Chinese-style bullies. 0.82
00:20:42.900 That's a reason we're pushing back to let the world know what's right and what's wrong.
00:20:46.900 Let the public know and let the cops know, too.
00:20:49.900 Thanks for supporting us.
00:20:51.900 Stay safe.
00:20:54.900 And if you get a ticket, give us a call.
00:20:57.900 Stay with us for more.
00:21:10.900 Also, Prime Minister, we've seen a spike in anti-Asian violence in different parts of our country.
00:21:14.900 In B.C., an elderly man with dementia was shoved out of a store by an assailant that brought up remarks about COVID-19.
00:21:20.900 We now have a Conservative leadership candidate that is asking for Dr. Tam to be fired
00:21:25.900 and is accusing her, the WHO in China, of being in cahoots.
00:21:29.900 What is your message to Canadians as they see this?
00:21:33.900 Intolerance and racism have no place in our country.
00:21:39.900 Canada has succeeded because of our diversity.
00:21:43.900 It is one of our greatest strengths.
00:21:45.900 And the millions of Canadians of all different backgrounds who are working together, many, many of them on the front lines to help their fellow Canadians deserve better than this from all of us.
00:22:00.900 We need to continue in our resolve to be an open, welcoming, respectful country.
00:22:07.900 And I think all Canadians expect that of every politician.
00:22:12.900 Well, a perfectly orchestrated duet, a media party journalist blending an alleged attack on a Chinese-Canadian senior citizen out West
00:22:22.900 with a legitimate question as to the ongoing tenure of Dr. Theresa Tam, Justin Trudeau's chief public health officer.
00:22:31.900 Theresa Tam getting every single possible piece of advice, every decision wrong, her advice not to wear face masks, her advice not to close borders,
00:22:40.900 her knee-jerk reaction back in January calling people racist that they were concerned about no quarantines.
00:22:47.900 Everything you could get wrong she has, quite likely because she continues to work for the World Health Organization.
00:22:53.900 But by fusing that with a question about an alleged racial attack in Vancouver,
00:22:59.900 well, that just set up that softball right perfectly over the plate for Justin Trudeau to hit a home run in his mind.
00:23:07.900 But is it true? Is criticizing Trudeau or Theresa Tam inherently racist?
00:23:15.900 That's what the Chinese embassy says. It says even referring to the source of the virus as China is racist.
00:23:22.900 And complaining about China's delay in warning the world, that's racist.
00:23:28.900 Well, we'll talk to the man at the center of the kerfuffle.
00:23:32.900 The question that was put to Trudeau was about a conservative party leadership candidate who has recently publicly called for the firing of Theresa Tam.
00:23:42.900 His name is Derek Sloan. He's the MP from Hastings, Lennox and Addington.
00:23:48.900 He's running for the Tory leadership and he joins us now via Skype.
00:23:51.900 Hi, Mr. Sloan. Welcome to the show. Thanks for coming back.
00:23:54.900 Thanks a lot for having me on here. I'm pleased to be here.
00:23:57.900 Well, I know that my colleague Kian Bextie did a biographical style interview with you some weeks ago.
00:24:03.900 So I would refer our viewers to that if they want to catch up a little bit.
00:24:06.900 I'd prefer to talk with you about this current kerfuffle.
00:24:10.900 Why don't we start off with your case as opposed to the media liberal criticism of it.
00:24:16.900 What is your view on Theresa Tam and how did you express it?
00:24:20.900 Right. Well, so I should point out that my criticism has nothing to do with obviously her race or her gender.
00:24:29.900 It has to do with decisions that she made.
00:24:31.900 And you laid them out very well earlier on in this program here.
00:24:35.900 We know that Taiwan very early, December 31st, alerted the World Health Organization of this pneumonia like flu that was coming out of China.
00:24:47.900 China, of course, started arresting doctors and other whistleblowers.
00:24:53.900 The very day after that, January 1st, Taiwan began screening.
00:24:57.900 And today they've had under 500 total cases and I think about six deaths.
00:25:03.900 And, you know, you listed some other things that Theresa Tam did.
00:25:08.900 She believed the information that China was putting out that the virus was not transmissible from human to human.
00:25:16.900 Taiwan and other countries were giving us some strong indication that that was not the case.
00:25:21.900 They waited until very late to implement travel bans when the U.S. and European countries and Taiwan were already banning and screening flights and other types of things.
00:25:34.900 So we wait. I mean, another thing she gave away.
00:25:37.900 She was part of a task force that decided to give away 16 million tons of personal protective equipment to China and then turned around and said that, you know, masks are not helpful to us.
00:25:47.900 So, I mean, I may not have even mentioned everything. It's hard to remember at all.
00:25:51.900 But the fact is, is that she gave us poor advice.
00:25:56.900 And, you know, when when that type of thing happens, if we were playing a game of hockey, if you score on your own net, the coach is going to bench you.
00:26:04.900 And I'm saying we got to bench Tam.
00:26:06.900 Yeah. You know, the trick that the liberals and the media use here is the trouble with criticizing China, because China is the name of a country.
00:26:17.900 It's the name of a brutal dictatorship, the Chinese Communist Party.
00:26:22.900 But it's also the name of an ethnicity.
00:26:25.900 So criticizing the Chinese virus or the Chinese government is very easily rhetorically elided into a criticism of the Chinese race.
00:26:34.900 But as you point out, Taiwan, which is also Chinese, they were they're very hostile to Communist China because they know Communist China lies and spreads pandemics.
00:26:47.900 So, I mean, it's it's obvious to me that you can criticize the Chinese government without being against the Chinese ethnicity.
00:26:55.900 And I think you showed it by citing Taiwan.
00:26:58.900 I think that's a trick.
00:27:00.900 And I wasn't surprised to see Trudeau use it against you.
00:27:04.900 But I want to point out that some conservatives have actually jumped on Justin Trudeau's bandwagon.
00:27:11.900 I see Michael Chong has implied that your criticism was racist.
00:27:17.900 I'm troubled that we are buying that Communist Party of China line that to criticize China is to be racist.
00:27:27.900 Yeah, I think it I think it is an issue.
00:27:30.900 And frankly, I wonder if anybody saw the video that I put out and read the letter that I put out.
00:27:37.900 All of this stems from a three minute video I put out on my social media and a letter that I sent out to Conservative Party members.
00:27:44.900 If anyone watches that video or reads the letter, there is no mention in there about Dr.
00:27:50.900 Tim's ethnic background or anything of that nature.
00:27:53.900 So, you know, for some of these people who are making comments, I wonder, did they just read the headlines or did they actually read what I put out?
00:28:00.900 Well, I don't think they even read anything at all.
00:28:02.900 They just thought, oh, we're starting to lose public support.
00:28:06.900 Theresa Tam has made so many strange statements.
00:28:10.900 We need to shift gears.
00:28:11.900 Here's a quick clip from your video presentation that caught the ball rolling.
00:28:15.900 Here, take a look at this.
00:28:16.900 One of the issues with Justin Trudeau's handling of this situation has been his reliance on the advice of Dr. Theresa Tam.
00:28:24.900 Theresa Tam, we sent an email out today asking, does she work for Canada or for China?
00:28:30.900 And I encourage you to read that email.
00:28:33.900 There's some interesting information in there.
00:28:35.900 It was Dr. Theresa Tam, who is on a special panel on the World Health Organization right now.
00:28:42.900 She also parrots their information at every available opportunity.
00:28:46.900 We know for a fact that China covered up many details concerning the coronavirus outbreak.
00:28:53.900 There's been a study that was done in England that suggested if China had come out with the truth, we could have potentially avoided up to 90% of the cases that we have today.
00:29:03.900 The World Health Organization parroted Chinese misinformation coming out from the Communist Party of China.
00:29:12.900 And basically what they said was that, no, there's no human to human transmission when they knew very well that there was.
00:29:18.900 They said, no, there's no reason to have travel bans when, in fact, the countries that did early travel bans were very successful in keeping the number of cases at bay.
00:29:29.900 Theresa Tam followed the World Health Organization every step along the way.
00:29:34.900 She accused Canadians who were concerned about this virus initially for being racist.
00:29:39.900 She also suggested that travel bans were unnecessary.
00:29:43.900 And as late as January 14th, she suggested that human to human transmission of the coronavirus was not happening when very credible evidence suggested that it was.
00:29:53.900 Well, look, I agree with you that the criticism of you was shallow.
00:29:57.900 It was false. And I think it was not informed.
00:30:02.900 I don't think people actually read your publication, which I thought, I mean, frankly, it's what we've been saying around here for a while.
00:30:08.900 It's even what Jason Kenney, the premier of Alberta, has been suggesting that he was not willing to wait for Theresa Tam to approve certain medicines because of her connection to the World Health Organization and its communist Chinese bosses.
00:30:23.900 I mean, I really don't think it's a controversial position to say that China runs the World Health Organization.
00:30:30.900 But I just want to press you one more time.
00:30:32.900 I see that a number of conservatives have thrown you under the bus here, too.
00:30:37.900 My own hunch is they're just trying to virtue signal and show how holier than thou they are.
00:30:42.900 But I find it dispiriting when conservatives engage in the kind of race baiting racial politics of the left.
00:30:52.900 Do you have anything to say about that? I mean, I know your caucus colleagues with Michael Chong, but he's just one of several who took a swipe at you.
00:30:59.900 Well, I like to maintain a posture of respect towards my caucus colleagues, but I would I would say this.
00:31:08.900 The the party is is, yes, I support the public face of the party, but the party is made up of the party members.
00:31:15.900 And I can tell you, Ezra, I have received nothing but strong support from party membership over what's happening right now.
00:31:22.900 And we're in the middle of a leadership race and those members are going to get the chance to elect a true conservative.
00:31:28.900 And, you know, people are letting the true color show.
00:31:31.900 And so I'm not going to make a negative comments about anybody else.
00:31:34.900 But this is the time now for those real conservatives out there to get involved and to vote for someone who's not going to apologize for being conservative and isn't going to make somebody else apologize either.
00:31:45.900 Yeah. I think that as the risk from the virus itself passes or subsides, I think it'll it'll allow us to address some of the systemic problems here.
00:31:57.900 We're too obedient to China. We're too reliant on China for critical imports, anything from medicine to basic medical equipment, even more and more on food.
00:32:08.900 Putting aside the crisis of the virus itself, let's say three months, six months, a year from now, do you have any changes you would like to see in the Canada China relationship or even the Canada UN Canada World Health Organization relationship that has been clarified because of the last couple of months?
00:32:29.900 Yeah. So I've already put out a pronouncement that are if I was leader of the party or prime minister of the country, I would be reviewing our World Health Organization funding and probably maybe eliminating it altogether, pending on how this turns out.
00:32:44.900 As far as far as China is concerned, and again, you know, you've made it clear, I've made it clear, this isn't about Chinese people. This is about the Communist Party of China led country known as China. We would we will see both in this country, I hope, but in others, a complete rethinking of our relationship with China. And that's something that needs to occur. 0.57
00:33:08.900 Well, let me ask you one more thing, because we are dependent on the grassroots. In a way, it's similar to a leadership campaign, you have to talk to people by email, by video. And you know, if you're on the right track, if people spend a few bucks to buy a membership, or even chip in a donation. So you, in a way, we're in the same kind of business.
00:33:28.900 And I am always cheered when I see an obviously ethnic Chinese name supporting our campaigns. Every day, I see more people with a Chinese name supporting the rebel, donating, signing a petition. And it reminds me of what I said earlier, there's Taiwanese Canadians, there's mainland China Canadians who want democracy, there's persecuted minorities, whether it's Tibetans, or
00:33:58.580 the Falun Gong or the Falun Gong or Uyghurs. So it's a good reminder to me that just because some white liberals like Justin Trudeau, and whoever that reporter was, try to make it out that opposing China is being racist. There's actually other countervailing Chinese communities.
00:34:14.580 So my question to you is, have you thought of or do you have any coalitions with China democracy activists, whether they're, you know, the Epoch Times kind of people, or Falun Gong? Because if you become the anti-China candidate, you could actually have a lot of Chinese people on your side, because they know you're against the government, not the ethnicity.
00:34:40.080 Well, we already have a lot of that. We have ethnically Chinese people in some very high positions in our campaign. And you may know this, I know this, there's a lot of Chinese conservatives, and there's a lot of Chinese card carrying conservatives. And I can tell you that none of those are upset by this. And in fact, they're as upset as you and I are about the misinformation coming out of communist China.
00:35:08.620 I know you're at home right now. And so you got the whole family. We're all in the same situation. Let me ask you one more question. Before we go.
00:35:19.480 Sure.
00:35:20.740 I observe something that Trudeau does, and I see Trump do it occasionally. And I think it's there's a validity to it. I mean, a few months ago, Trump wrote a tweet that was gushing with praise for President Xi Jinping of China.
00:35:36.120 And it felt so false, and it rang so false to me. And I thought, I bet he's doing that because there's something quiet that's happening, either a trade deal or a health deal, or there's probably some private favor that we don't quite see, and Trump is making a concession.
00:35:53.500 Trump is that way sometimes. And so part of me thinks, well, maybe one of the reasons why Justin Trudeau seems so submissive and obedient to China is because we have some critical moment.
00:36:06.400 And behind the scenes, we're going to get Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor released.
00:36:11.240 Or behind the scenes, China's going to send us a bunch of medical gear.
00:36:15.100 But it's been 500 days since those two Michaels were kidnapped. And when we sent jets for the medical gear, they were sent back empty.
00:36:24.140 So I'm wondering if you believe Trudeau is getting tough with China in quiet to let them save face, or if he's the same in private as he is in public, just obsequious and obedient.
00:36:38.400 I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think anything's going on behind the scenes in terms of some kind of crucial negotiation that's about to break.
00:36:49.200 I think he's always obsequious and fawning towards other countries.
00:36:54.040 I think he's concerned in a long-game sense that he has to be nice, otherwise they're going to crack down on us even more.
00:37:00.400 But I don't think there's any specific strategic objective right now or a strategic win that we're about to have.
00:37:08.360 I wish it was the case, but I doubt it. I think this is everyday Trudeau, and it doesn't matter what day of the week it is. It's the same old.
00:37:15.480 Last question for you, and it's how you started things, actually, on Taiwan.
00:37:19.140 And we've watched Taiwan over the last few months with great admiration, how they detected the problem early, how they quarantined travelers, how they had mask production.
00:37:31.580 We admire that little democracy.
00:37:33.800 But they have been marginalized by all the world, including by Canada and including by the United States.
00:37:38.760 I wonder if you were the conservative leader and if you actually became the prime minister, if you would change Canada's relationship with that country, would you consider giving it full diplomatic status?
00:37:53.680 Right now, they don't even have a formal embassy.
00:37:55.780 Would you visit Taiwan, perhaps?
00:37:58.140 What would you do, if anything, to welcome Taiwan into the community of nations?
00:38:03.900 I would certainly consider that.
00:38:07.440 And you're right.
00:38:07.960 They've done an excellent job in terms of dealing with this crisis.
00:38:11.620 And they know as well as anybody the true nature of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:38:17.020 So I think that I think we as a world community or at least a Western community need to rethink our relationship with China and start giving these other nations in that area more love, so to speak.
00:38:30.860 And I think Taiwan would be a great place to start.
00:38:33.900 All right.
00:38:34.460 Well, we'll leave it there.
00:38:35.260 Thanks so much for joining us today.
00:38:36.640 I know you've got your hands full at home like so many of us do.
00:38:40.020 Derek Sloan, appreciate your time and keep in touch with us as the campaign continues.
00:38:44.960 Thank you so much.
00:38:46.360 All right.
00:38:46.800 There you have it.
00:38:47.220 Derek Sloan is the MP for Hastings, Lennox and Addington.
00:38:51.040 He is a leadership candidate for the Conservative Party of Canada.
00:38:55.160 Stay with us.
00:38:55.700 More ahead on The Redwood.
00:38:56.420 Hey, welcome back.
00:39:05.980 On my monologue yesterday about being in a cold war with China, Norbert writes,
00:39:10.340 China is fighting a cold war against the West and building their communist empire.
00:39:14.760 They absolutely are.
00:39:16.160 And they're doing a lot of it through commerce, especially in Africa.
00:39:20.620 They go in with a deal.
00:39:22.300 They agree to build some huge infrastructure in an African country.
00:39:27.100 They bring in Chinese crew to do it.
00:39:29.500 And if that country defaults on the debt, well, China owns the port, the airport, the tower.
00:39:35.960 They're taking it over through money.
00:39:40.280 Brandon writes, China should be boycotted. 0.57
00:39:43.420 Yes.
00:39:44.120 But how do you do that when 90% of your medicine comes from China?
00:39:48.480 When, I mean, I say again, fish.
00:39:51.020 I know that's a strange thing to say, but you would think your fish comes from the lake,
00:39:54.440 the sea, a lot of fish in your supermarket comes from China.
00:39:58.420 Half of the world's apples are from China.
00:40:01.360 Now, probably not that you eat, but it's, I mean, I just, I don't even want to talk about
00:40:04.940 food from China.
00:40:05.800 That terrifies me.
00:40:06.620 But we got to get off of China.
00:40:09.900 Roland writes, it really makes me wonder what Trudeau admires most about China.
00:40:13.620 Forced organ donation, forced labor, forced sterilization, forced censorship or infiltration
00:40:18.280 of our government.
00:40:19.920 Well, carrot and stick, right?
00:40:21.500 Well, the carrot is, here's a donation to the Trudeau Foundation.
00:40:27.000 Here's, I don't know what other the carrots are, but the stick is, well, I suppose taking
00:40:32.540 Canadians hostage.
00:40:33.540 But I think, have you ever heard of that old Soviet term, kompromat?
00:40:38.600 That means compromising material.
00:40:42.420 You know, I know our media, if they have kompromat on Justin Trudeau, they hide it for him.
00:40:48.200 Like, all the media knew about the blackface stuff, they just didn't publish it, because
00:40:51.840 they're on his side.
00:40:53.220 But what if China, one of the world's leading surveillance states, has everything that every 0.65
00:40:59.620 journalist has, probably just for hacking into those journalist computers, plus everything
00:41:03.940 else out there.
00:41:04.500 What if China actually has some devastating kompromat on China?
00:41:08.180 Given Trudeau's lifestyle, alcohol, drugs, women, I'd say the likelihood is fairly high.
00:41:17.580 Folks, that's the show for today.
00:41:19.640 Until Monday, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good
00:41:24.100 night, and keep fighting for freedom.
00:41:26.200 We'll see you next time.