Rebel News Podcast - What environmentalists are secretly planning for Canada (GUEST： Tom Harris)

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00:00:05.380 Tonight my guest is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition and he's really been doing the Lord's work lately.

00:00:14.380 He sat in on a Zoom call online environmentalist rally of a thousand environmentalists and he's going to bring us the inside scoop.

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00:01:08.740 What is the environmentalist movement organizing online when they think nobody is watching and what on earth are conservatives and free thinkers doing to stop it?

00:01:33.720 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:01:38.740 Normally I don't tell you who my guest is until after my little blurb here but I'm going to tell you right now.

00:01:58.920 My guest tonight is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:02:02.540 And he did something that most conservatives who are concerned about the government and the left using climate change as a means to rob our pockets don't normally do.

00:02:13.720 He listened to the left and the government.

00:02:17.380 You see Tom sat in on an online Zoom environmentalist rally hosted by far left-wing activists from Lead Now and joined by Elizabeth May of the Green Party and Canada's Liberal Environment Minister Jonathan Wilkinson.

00:02:32.200 This thing was completely normalized.

00:02:34.660 Tom joins me tonight to tell us what he heard the environmentalists plotting for Canada with the full endorsement of these mainstream left-wing politicians.

00:02:43.940 Tom, though, also offers an antidote to these radical left-wing environmentalist organizations like Lead Now because we know Lead Now has been up to their anti-conservative baloney for the better part of a decade.

00:02:58.740 And by and large, the official conservatives have been asleep at the wheel through it all.

00:03:04.000 So my guest tonight, in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon, is good friend of the show, Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:03:14.880 Joining me now from his home in Ottawa is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition and another organization, which Tom will tell you about at the end of the show.

00:03:35.380 Now, I wanted to have Tom on the show today because he's written a couple of really great articles since I talked to him last.

00:03:43.680 But he also did a really incredible piece of journalism that involved going to a Lead Now rally that was held on Zoom.

00:03:54.680 And Tom was the eyes and ears of normal people into, I guess, this climate strategy that Lead Now is trying to put together.

00:04:04.940 So joining me now is Tom Harris.

00:04:07.080 Tom, thanks for coming on the show.

00:04:08.680 Please tell us about what happened in the Lead Now Zoom rally.

00:04:12.900 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:13.820 On June 23rd, they had a mass online rally.

00:04:17.640 And when I say mass, I really mean it.

00:04:19.500 There were 40 pages of 25 persons per page.

00:04:23.620 So that's 1,000 people.

00:04:25.980 I've never been on a Zoom call with 1,000 people before.

00:04:29.380 And apparently on Facebook, there were others.

00:04:31.620 So there was easily way over 1,000 people.

00:04:34.440 And they called it Just Recovery for All.

00:04:36.980 It was organized by Lead Now, 350 Canada, and Climate Action Network, and Sierra Club BC.

00:04:43.820 Now, they're just four of hundreds of groups that are calling for what they consider a Just Recovery out of COVID-19.

00:04:50.780 Now, the Just Recovery, you know, it's kind of interesting.

00:04:53.800 It's not just climate.

00:04:55.200 In fact, here's what they say.

00:04:56.280 For years, we have witnessed the results of chronic underinvestment and inaction in the face of the ongoing preexisting crises of, number one, colonialism.

00:05:06.840 Okay, so they're incorporating not just climate change, but what they consider racism against black people.

00:05:14.020 And there were lots of shout-outs to Black Lives Matter throughout the Zoom call.

00:05:18.160 They're also talking about native sovereignty and all sorts of rights the natives should have in addition to, you know, what they already have.

00:05:24.860 They were talking about human rights abuses, migrant workers coming to Canada.

00:05:28.660 And, oh, my goodness, they're not getting all of our services, even though they – whether they should be here is another question.

00:05:35.000 Social inequality, rich versus poor.

00:05:37.580 There was a support for socialism being broadcast throughout.

00:05:41.260 And then, of course, they're linking it all together to environmental degradation and climate change.

00:05:46.840 So they want to reshape our entire society, not just a little bit, but radically.

00:05:52.780 And I'll tell you a little later why we should be quite concerned about this because, you know, when they can get 1,000 people on a Zoom call, they can bring in – the Minister of the Environment actually appeared, Elizabeth May, various other MPs that we can talk about later.

00:06:07.600 We have to take them pretty seriously because, boy, they've got a big movement.

00:06:11.360 So the Minister of the Environment, the Federal Minister of the Environment was involved in this call that's basically denouncing Canada as racist and basically saying for a complete and total phase-out of the fossil fuel industry here in Canada, a major segment of the Canadian economy.

00:06:33.160 And I also think it's quite interesting that a bunch of white environmentalists are – who are actually, I would suggest, doing real acts of colonialism by damming Canada's Indigenous communities to generational poverty by eliminating that really aggressive vehicle to wealth creation called the fossil fuel industry.

00:06:57.960 I mean, I mean, we know the largest employer of Indigenous people in Canada is fossil fuels. 0.99

00:07:04.100 It's mining.

00:07:05.320 It's oil and gas.

00:07:07.180 It's really a way out.

00:07:09.260 And in Alberta here, a lot of our Indigenous groups partner with industry.

00:07:14.620 They incorporate their own businesses.

00:07:16.720 The bands own businesses like the Mikasoo Cree in oil and gas.

00:07:22.780 And so when you have these largely white environmentalists telling them that they need to get out of the fossil fuel industry, that feels a little bit like colonialism to me.

00:07:31.880 But please, tell me what the Environment Minister had to say in all of this, because this is crazy.

00:07:37.440 Well, the Environment Minister gave a prerecorded presentation to the group, but he does obviously take them quite seriously because he's trying to appease them.

00:07:45.640 It was interesting, though, as soon as Elizabeth May got on, she attacked the minister and she said all these words, you know, and we're still in a climate crisis.

00:07:54.360 And it's interesting if you actually look at the lead now just recovery for all, one of their axioms.

00:08:00.660 They say that we should be making the transition towards a low carbon economy.

00:08:05.340 Canada will therefore be more prepared for any future crises.

00:08:08.600 Well, how can you be more prepared for future crises if you get rid of your least expensive, most abundant, most reliable sources of energy?

00:08:17.940 I mean, they want us to rely on wind and solar power.

00:08:21.200 And then they go on about all the jobs that will be created.

00:08:24.160 But, you know, it's interesting, Sheila.

00:08:26.020 The people leading this call were all very young, either late teens or in their 20s, early 20s.

00:08:33.060 And yet when I scanned the group, you know, as I say, a thousand people online, when I went page after page, many of them, if not the majority, were late middle aged people learning and watching and seniors.

00:08:45.760 OK, so what you have is a little bit like the Children's Crusade.

00:08:49.240 You have these extremely young people who are advocating causes and charging off in different directions, really not knowing what they're talking about.

00:08:57.020 But they're very good at organizing and activism.

00:09:00.840 And this is where conservatives should be quite concerned, because, I mean, real conservatives, not like Peter McKay, who in many cases will actually support what these people are saying.

00:09:10.740 But, you know, they are talking about organizing Zoom calls with MPs across the country, from coast to coast, with hundreds of people and hundreds of constituents.

00:09:20.460 And I've signed up, actually, to be involved in these so I can hear actually what goes on, because, you know, they say they want to be nonpartisan and they want to be, you know, open minded.

00:09:30.440 Well, will they be open minded to alternative points of view?

00:09:32.960 That'll be interesting to see.

00:09:34.900 But, you know, the conservative movement has, generally speaking, not taken these groups seriously enough.

00:09:40.400 What we need is to have opposing groups who also meet with their MPs, have Zoom calls, sign petitions.

00:09:47.800 I mean, this petition that they just sent to the government had over 100,000 signatures.

00:09:54.460 OK.

00:09:55.000 And, you know, people who are on the line, like the NDP environment critic, Laura Collins from Victoria.

00:10:01.280 I mean, they're taking it very, very seriously.

00:10:03.920 They really want to reshape Canada, not just from an environmental perspective and energy, getting rid of our least expensive, best energy sources.

00:10:12.360 They want to bring in all kinds of other causes, like I listed at the beginning.

00:10:15.940 Essentially, they want to see a utopian or maybe dystopian is a better way to put it, a socialist government and socialist society in which many of their ideals are being lumped in with the climate scare.

00:10:29.560 So I think we should take this quite seriously and to the best extent we can organize opposition to this because, you know, they otherwise left unopposed with 100,000 signatures to their petition, 1,000 people at least in that one Zoom call.

00:10:48.080 You know, they're going to actually start to really sway our society and change the way we operate.

00:10:52.720 I mean, they're vehemently anti-capitalist.

00:10:55.240 They want to have socialism, not recognizing that the source of our income is our success in the capitalist fossil fuel industry.

00:11:02.760 So, you know, we can talk about later some of the things that we're doing to get ready to oppose this.

00:11:08.680 But indeed, it is serious when these groups are so vocal and so confident, even though they really don't know what they're talking about.

00:11:15.900 You know, you raise two very important issues in the things you just said.

00:11:21.180 First of all, the fact that this environmentalist Marxist revolution, I think this is just another prong of the Marxist revolution happening all around us.

00:11:30.220 When you factor in, like, BLM and these Occupy Redux autonomous zones that are popping up all over the place, including Toronto, and then, you know, this Marxist environmentalist revolution that's happening online.

00:11:47.060 And like you say, conservatives are asleep at the wheel.

00:11:49.420 This is being led by young people, and we should have been prepared for this, knowing full well that Greta Thunberg is going on her second year of scolding adults. 0.98

00:12:02.460 It's fascinating to me to see the number of adults who are willing to be scolded by young people who absolutely have zero life experience at all.

00:12:11.440 I mean, a lot of these people, like you point out, sitting in on these calls, they're older people.

00:12:15.940 They've raised teenagers.

00:12:17.440 They know that teenagers know next to nothing about a lot of things.

00:12:22.320 So why are they sitting there taking advice from these young people? 0.99

00:12:25.760 It's very strange.

00:12:26.940 It is strange.

00:12:27.920 I mean, I was struck by how very young they were and how idealistically driven they were.

00:12:34.020 You know, many of them are probably still living with their parents.

00:12:36.640 Oh, for sure.

00:12:37.180 I mean, they don't actually have to earn a living.

00:12:39.660 I mean, in many cases.

00:12:41.560 And, you know, one of the things they say here, they say there's no way we can go back to normal.

00:12:45.840 Normal was gross inequality and runaway climate change.

00:12:49.760 Well, it was interesting that Elizabeth May corrected them on that.

00:12:53.880 You know, obviously there isn't runaway climate change.

00:12:56.400 She's trying to avoid that. 0.62

00:12:58.060 She says we have a narrow window.

00:12:59.660 This is what the website says.

00:13:00.840 We have a narrow window of opportunity to shape the government's plans so that we come out the other side of the pandemic, better equipped to take care of each other and the planet.

00:13:10.020 Well, you know, it's going to be very difficult for Canada to get back to normal even without these changes.

00:13:16.720 OK, it's a little bit like you're trying to rescue somebody and somebody else is pulling them underwater.

00:13:21.380 I mean, the bottom line is we've had a huge impact of this COVID-19, and if we can get back to normal, we'll be very lucky.

00:13:29.660 The last thing we need to do is pile on top of the requirements for recovery all these demands, and they call them demands, of the left-wing groups.

00:13:38.260 I mean, as I say, the best thing we can do is focus on getting back to normal as soon as possible, and these groups, you know, they can work on their causes later, but they want to incorporate them all into the actual recovery, and the government, sadly, is listening.

00:13:54.920 Oh, yes.

00:13:55.540 The government has written this sort of stuff into some of their big business loans, the bailout loans, that they have to have a climate plan if they want to qualify for any sort of government help.

00:14:07.080 It's like having a values test before they put you on a ventilator. 0.72

00:14:09.940 It's very ridiculous.

00:14:11.720 Yeah, that's actually a really good analogy, a values test before we save your life. 0.96

00:14:16.640 Yeah, it's true.

00:14:17.960 I mean, imagine if we did that in other government services like health care, and yet nobody seems to bat an eye when Justin Trudeau shoehorns all this stuff into the life support for these large job creators.

00:14:33.920 You did point out that this is by Lead Now, and Lead Now, conservatives should have done something to prepare themselves for Lead Now, since Lead Now has been at this for, I would suggest, the better part of a decade.

00:14:53.320 They organized the Vote Together campaign back in, I believe it was 2015, that they identified key, they say they're non-political, but they helped identify key ridings where the conservatives would be benefiting from a vote split between the left, and organize progressive voters to vote together, be it for the liberals or the NDP, whoever could stop the conservative.

00:15:22.400 And so they're doing that sort of work again right now.

00:15:27.260 You can see they're working with the NDP, they're working with the liberals, they're definitely working against the conservatives.

00:15:34.580 And where were conservatives and conservative groups and just groups who would present an alternative to whatever Lead Now is offering?

00:15:43.380 Where have they been, where have they been the last 10 years?

00:15:47.240 And when conservatives were in power, they didn't do much to deal with these sort of foreign-funded third-party groups meddling in our democracy.

00:15:55.180 Yeah, and when the conservatives got into power, they changed their position entirely on climate change.

00:16:00.580 I mean, it's almost like they want to be with the in-crowd, you know, and the in-crowd is defined supposedly by our media.

00:16:06.860 But, you know, I think that there are huge numbers of Canadians who are totally fed up with this. 0.95

00:16:12.920 And if you had a politician stand up, whoever wins the conservative leadership, if they were to stand up and say, look, this is ridiculous.

00:16:19.700 We're not going to restart the economy with all these shackles attached to us.

00:16:24.560 We're going to get back to a strong society in which we take advantage of our really bountiful fossil fuel resources to build Canada into a country that we're proud of.

00:16:34.400 And, you know, I think conservatives, generally speaking, are far too complacent.

00:16:39.260 You know, these groups, they advocate that they're nonpartisan.

00:16:42.580 In fact, this was a big point in the whole Zoom call.

00:16:45.720 Oh, we're nonpartisan.

00:16:47.280 But then, of course, you look at the screens.

00:16:49.220 They said, everybody, hold up your signs so that we can actually give a minister, give the minister a message, you know.

00:16:55.300 Well, I held up my sign, which said something like, adapt to climate change.

00:16:59.780 It'll be interesting to see if that gets sent to the minister.

00:17:02.360 But, you know, I really do think that conservatives have got to be more active because these people are radically trying.

00:17:09.660 Well, they're not just trying.

00:17:11.080 They're succeeding in changing our society in ways that will ruin Canada, quite frankly.

00:17:17.000 Now, I want to go into your article that was published in America Out Loud.

00:17:23.020 You wrote it with Dr. Jay Lair.

00:17:26.820 It was published on the 16th in America Out Loud.

00:17:29.620 And it deals with some of these shackles that you are referring to when we restart our economy.

00:17:38.120 And the article is titled Forget Wind and Solar Power for COVID Recovery.

00:17:42.220 And it seems as though green energy is the focus of the COVID recovery.

00:17:46.940 This is their moment in time where they want to rewrite our economy instead of restart it in a way where it can grow back to where it once was.

00:17:56.500 And you sort of dissect the problems with this sort of green recovery focus that we're seeing from the liberals.

00:18:04.380 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:05.980 You know, in many ways, perhaps unintentionally, I don't know, but the left are often sabotaging causes they hold dear by promoting wind and solar.

00:18:16.240 I mean, think about it.

00:18:17.560 Wind turbines in Spain alone, and we talked about this when we were being, you know, we were at the COP meetings in Spain.

00:18:23.740 They're killing millions of birds and bats in Spain alone.

00:18:27.240 200 birds per year per turbine, 400 bats per year per turbine.

00:18:32.020 So if you care about nature and conservation, you should really oppose wind turbines.

00:18:37.880 Similarly, if you really care about social justice and the poor, you should oppose wind turbines because they're jacking the prices up hugely.

00:18:46.540 And we're forced to pay for it because, of course, there's so much government subsidies.

00:18:51.340 If you're concerned about people who don't have the wealth to live or to just simply move when a turbine is put up, you should be against wind turbines.

00:19:00.000 Because Shelly Correa, for example, from Lincoln County in Ontario, she moved to Lincoln County.

00:19:06.120 It's very much like, you know, Andy of Mayberry's country area.

00:19:09.400 And she was promised that they wouldn't put up a wind turbine near her house.

00:19:13.560 This was during the Kathleen Wynne administration for Ontario.

00:19:17.240 And sure enough, they put up a 60 plus story wind turbine, only 500 and 550 meters from her house, approximately.

00:19:26.240 OK, so they just did it anyways.

00:19:28.620 And of course, she can't afford to just simply pack up and leave.

00:19:31.620 I'm sure her property value has gone way down because who wants to live beside one of these monstrosities?

00:19:36.700 So, you know, in many cases, the causes that the left say they hold dear are being sabotaged by these wind and solar projects.

00:19:46.760 And of course, if you're building a massive solar station in the middle of the desert, you completely upset the desert ecosystem.

00:19:53.500 In California, they're building something called Project Gemini, which is a huge solar station.

00:19:58.680 And believe it or not, under the Trump administration, they have actually approved what will be the largest solar station in U.S. history.

00:20:06.580 And they have to collect up all these endangered tortoises during the construction phase, hold them somewhere else.

00:20:13.080 Half of them will likely die and then put them back in under the solar panels.

00:20:18.160 So, yeah, you talk about environmental destruction.

00:20:20.640 And where do you think all these materials are coming from?

00:20:23.520 In many cases, they're coming from China.

00:20:25.580 OK, with these rare earth elements from China and from Africa, mined under incredibly bad environmental conditions, often using coal as their source of energy to make the wind turbines, which I always find kind of ironic.

00:20:40.240 And of course, there's human rights abuses where they use slave labor and child labor.

00:20:44.540 So, again, these are causes the left say they hold dear.

00:20:48.880 And yet they're advocating energy sources that are not only inefficient and will cost us a fortune, but will hurt the people they say they care about.

00:20:58.080 And, you know, I think that what's happening here is because the movement is largely led by very young people, they just really haven't put two and two together and realize that they're really being bamboozled.

00:21:09.640 That, in fact, it's sabotaging their own causes.

00:21:13.020 Yeah, it's funny that the movement, the environmental movement is led by people who really have only paid attention to the weather, maybe the last year of their life.

00:21:27.760 They don't actually have experience when you think about like, OK, well, five years ago we had a really terrible winter or three years ago we had a lot of rain.

00:21:37.040 And then four years before that we had a drought and our crops didn't grow.

00:21:41.120 They don't really have that sort of anecdotal historical data to put what they are seeing and experiencing today into context.

00:21:49.240 And then they're turning that lack of historical knowledge into an entire political movement.

00:21:55.840 And they are running roughshod over the rest of us because we're letting them.

00:22:00.060 Well, that's right.

00:22:00.680 Because they're very brave, you know, and I will give that to them.

00:22:03.700 They are showing, to some extent, what we should be doing.

00:22:06.660 I mean, having the courage to speak out for what we believe in.

00:22:09.980 And, you know, if they were to do fundamental research, they would understand very quickly that their causes don't make any sense, not just in the climate, but in all sorts of areas.

00:22:18.800 And I'll give an example.

00:22:20.460 I'll send you a link to what is probably the very best database in the world of extreme weather events.

00:22:27.520 And that is the records that are kept for every state in the United States, all 50 states.

00:22:31.620 And they record when the highest temperature was, the lowest temperature, the most snow, the most rainfall, all that sort of thing.

00:22:37.560 And what you'll find is that in the whole of the 21st century, only two states set their maximum temperature record, just two out of 50 in that whole 20 years.

00:22:47.200 If you go back to the 1930s, I believe it's 1936, where you had something like 15 states set their all-time high records, and those records still stand.

00:22:58.720 And, you know, I find it quite interesting because 2018, for example, there was only one record set in the whole U.S.

00:23:05.420 And remember, this is a pretty big area for statewide records.

00:23:09.900 And that was the largest hailstone in the history of Alabama.

00:23:12.900 It was actually five inches in diameter.

00:23:15.660 If you can imagine hail coming down, if there was one at five inches, there must have been lots of them at three and four.

00:23:21.600 So, I mean, it would have been a real bombardment.

00:23:24.340 But, I mean, the bottom line is if they did some research, they would realize that the actual statistics that are there, that go back through the historic record,

00:23:33.960 show that hurricanes and tornadoes were far worse in the past than they are now, and all the other extreme weather events that they get all excited about.

00:23:41.440 And that doesn't mean we shouldn't address climate change.

00:23:44.880 We should.

00:23:45.500 And, in fact, the new group that we're starting, one of the things we're going to focus on is adaptation to climate change, because climate will change no matter what we do.

00:23:55.520 The biggest fear, of course, is global cooling, because in a country like Canada, there's nobody farming north of us.

00:24:01.560 So, whose farming practices do we adopt if, indeed, it gets a lot colder?

00:24:05.980 If it gets warmer, well, so what?

00:24:07.460 We can actually use the farming practices in Arkansas.

00:24:10.580 So, yeah, we should prepare for climate change.

00:24:12.920 But, mainly, we should be preparing for cooling, quite frankly.

00:24:18.080 You know, I'm glad you raise farming practices, because I've always thought it to be quite ironic that the same people who are opposed to, I guess, if you care about climate change, and depending on how you look at it, sometimes I do,

00:24:34.540 it's the same people who oppose, like, drought-resistant or seeds that are GMO-modified to deal with a shorter growing season.

00:24:46.680 It's always the people who are opposed to GMO seeds that would help us adapt to climate change if it is, indeed, going to create shorter growing seasons or longer growing seasons or more droughts.

00:24:57.900 Those are the same people who are ringing the alarm bell about climate change.

00:25:01.100 It's very strange that they would oppose the very things that would create a solution to the problem they say we're all going to face.

00:25:08.420 Yeah, I think largely they're anti-Western civilization.

00:25:12.100 Thank you.

00:25:13.560 And the best way to do that is to cripple us with, you know, incredible restrictions on how we operate, not allow us to use the things that would actually help save us if there was a climate crisis, which there isn't.

00:25:26.040 I mean, you're talking about just over one degree Celsius rise since 1880.

00:25:31.140 So everything they're talking about really has to be sometime in the future based on computer models that don't work.

00:25:37.800 Because if you actually look at the real data, there's nothing going on.

00:25:42.500 Yeah.

00:25:42.700 I read somewhere the other day that Alberta hasn't had, or at least where I live, my region of Alberta hasn't had a day over 28 degrees Celsius since I think it was 2018.

00:25:54.060 So, I mean, they told me that every year is going to get hotter and hotter and hotter and we're all going to die.

00:26:01.220 And yet the last two years with more people, more fossil fuel usage, more fossil fuel mining, we haven't seen that play out.

00:26:10.640 And yet they tell me the threat is immediate, 12 years or 10 years or 11 years or whatever it is.

00:26:16.640 Now, Tom, you've been very generous with your time, but you have an exciting new thing you want to tell us about because you are offering us a solution to these uninformed, youthful activists who are sort of running roughshod over the rest of us.

00:26:33.980 You, instead of just pointing out the problem, you're offering a solution.

00:26:36.980 So please tell us about that.

00:26:38.080 Yeah, we're just on the verge of launching a new group.

00:26:41.340 We're not going to use the name Climate Realism Canada as we were before.

00:26:45.460 I mean, you know, there's various problems with that name.

00:26:47.760 It sounds a lot like Al Gore's group, Climate Reality Canada.

00:26:51.040 But what we're calling the group, and it's a not-for-profit incorporated corporation that's just about to start, and we'll be making a big announcement about this, is called Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy.

00:27:03.360 Okay, because that's what we want. We want sensible climate policy, policy that actually matches the economics and the resource availability that we have in Canada and the science.

00:27:14.320 Now, we're not going to focus so much on the science.

00:27:16.360 We're going to actually direct people more to the International Climate Science Coalition or to Friends of Science, who are really superb.

00:27:23.360 And people should check that out. Friendsofscience.org, I believe, is their website.

00:27:27.620 And we're going to work with them quite a lot in Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy.

00:27:32.120 And we're really going to focus hard on the policy aspects and what it would happen to Canada if we actually did what these environmental groups are advocating that we do.

00:27:44.380 And for that reason, we have Bob Lyman, who's working with us. He's extremely good on policy formulation.

00:27:49.900 And, you know, it's interesting, the World Economic Forum and others keep talking about net zero by 2050.

00:27:55.360 So we're asking, well, before the Canadian government imposes yet more climate restrictions on us, increases more tax and everything else, don't we have a right to ask them for their evidence?

00:28:08.180 Because, like you said, their forecasts are not coming true.

00:28:12.040 None of the UN forecasts for climate change have come true.

00:28:15.140 And yet we're basing Canadian government policy on the supposed authenticity of these forecasts when you look at the future.

00:28:22.880 So surely Canadians have a right to say, look, you have the onus to prove to us that it's worth spending all this money on trying to stop climate change.

00:28:33.340 And, of course, we're going to point out things like Canada's contribution to greenhouse gases in the world is trivial in comparison with China.

00:28:40.440 But more importantly, we're going to point out that, to a large extent, CO2 is a great thing to want to increase.

00:28:48.320 And in today's America Out Loud, and if people go there, AmericaOutloud.com, we have a new piece about to come out as to how conservatives have to change the way they use language.

00:28:59.860 Because right now we're supporting our enemies by calling it carbon pollution or carbon emissions.

00:29:05.840 It's not. It's carbon dioxide.

00:29:07.600 That is one of the greatest hoaxes of the whole climate debate, that we could have tax against the gas that you breathe out.

00:29:14.800 I mean, it's really amazing that they could have bamboozled people so thoroughly on this.

00:29:21.480 So, yeah, Canadians for climate, let's get it right here, right?

00:29:25.480 Yeah.

00:29:26.020 Canadians for sensible climate policy work on adaptation and continue the research so that someday we may be able to forecast what the climate will do in the future.

00:29:36.340 And that's our group.

00:29:37.200 We're about to start, and I'll let you and everyone know as soon as we're ready.

00:29:41.840 Please.

00:29:42.140 I'm looking forward to that.

00:29:44.620 One of the things that Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science is so great at doing is breaking down these really large, complex ideas and, you know, with words that you don't use in your everyday parlance and digesting it in a way that normal people can both understand but arm themselves with.

00:30:05.540 So I'm very excited to hear that Canadians for sensible climate policy will be doing the same because I think people really need to understand.

00:30:13.300 We hear net zero and we think it sounds good, but what does that mean for your family?

00:30:17.620 What does it mean for your SUV?

00:30:19.320 What does it mean for your bank account?

00:30:20.920 There's not enough of that out there.

00:30:23.380 So I'm very excited.

00:30:25.080 Please let me know when you launch because we're going to have you back on the show for sure.

00:30:28.640 Well, it's going to be a great group, and we're going to be helping coordinate all the various climate realist groups together so that we have a unified approach.

00:30:37.580 One of our main supporters will be Friends of Science.

00:30:40.620 Oh, that's fantastic, Tom.

00:30:42.400 Thank you very much for coming on the show today.

00:30:44.800 You're always, like I said, so generous with your time.

00:30:47.220 We'll have you back on very, very soon.

00:30:49.860 And have a great Dominion Day.

00:30:52.000 Yes, exactly.

00:30:53.660 Thank you, Sheila.

00:30:54.520 Thank you, Sheila.

00:30:54.540 Thank you, Sheila.

00:30:54.620 Thank you, Sheila.

00:30:58.620 I like what Tom Harris is doing.

00:31:04.420 He realizes it's not enough to just be against the radical environmentalist plans for your life and your money.

00:31:14.020 You have to actually do something about it, and you have to do what the left does, and that's network and organize and build opposition to something, to build a real unified movement.

00:31:27.680 So I wish Tom the best of luck with Canadians for Sensible Climate Policy.

00:31:32.580 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:31:34.940 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:31:37.380 Have a wonderful Dominion Day.

00:31:39.680 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:31:42.820 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:31:47.460 We'll be right back.

00:31:49.700 We'll see you next week.

00:31:50.340 We'll see you next week.

00:31:51.480 Bye.

00:31:52.940 Bye.

00:31:54.740 Bye.

00:31:54.820 We'll be right back.

00:32:24.820 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - July 02, 2020

What environmentalists are secretly planning for Canada (GUEST： Tom Harris)

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