Rebel News Podcast - Will Calgary taxpayers get saddled with hosting unaffordable Olympics？ (Guest： William McBeath, Save Calgary)

00:00:00.000 Are Calgary Mayor Nahid Nenshi's expensive Olympic dreams just melting away?

00:00:06.680 Did they ever really stand a snowball's chance in hell?

00:00:10.160 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:30.000 Over the past week or so, Calgary Olympic bid news has been breaking and breaking and breaking.

00:00:37.060 It's crazy. It's happening so fast.

00:00:39.940 We've had dueling taxpayer federations, one in Calgary and one in Sweden, cross-endorsing each other's bids.

00:00:47.320 We've had leaks and memos and secret meetings on city council and city councillors saying that they don't even know what's going on anymore.

00:00:56.880 We've had the Olympic bid fall apart completely based on Notley's refusal to loosen the public purse and give the Olympic bid a penny more than $700 million,

00:01:08.500 which is still a lot of money since we are, you know, broke.

00:01:12.200 Tuesday morning when I recorded my interview with my guest today, the Olympic bid was dead and it was buried.

00:01:19.060 And then the bid miraculously came back together last night at 10.30 with a cost-sharing agreement being reached between the feds and the city and the province.

00:01:31.020 That involves drastic cuts to, of all things, the security budget.

00:01:35.880 As I'm filming this right now, city council is meeting to decide whether or not this latest cost-sharing agreement will be enough to continue forward with the November 13th public plebiscite,

00:01:48.640 where Calgary taxpayers finally get their say about whether or not they want to pay for the Olympics at all.

00:01:54.300 By the time you watch this, Calgarians will know if they're getting a plebiscite or a quick end to the Olympic bleeding.

00:02:02.540 Joining me tonight in an interview we recorded what feels like weeks ago because there has been just so much news and political wrangling in the interim

00:02:11.700 is our friend William Macbeth from Save Calgary to explain to us how Calgary taxpayers got into this Olympic mess in the first place.

00:02:32.540 Joining me now from Save Calgary is William Macbeth.

00:02:42.700 William, you're my go-to guy as far as the Olympics, actually as far as everything sort of Calgary taxpayer related.

00:02:50.300 And you've been on the Olympics beat from the very beginning and we have a lot to talk about since last time we talked.

00:02:57.020 Things are changing so fast. I think we talked about this probably a month ago and there's been a lot of news since.

00:03:04.540 Let's talk about some of the more fun stuff.

00:03:07.180 Although this thing is falling apart so fast that it's all sort of fun to me.

00:03:12.620 Do you see how quickly this is blowing up in politicians' faces?

00:03:16.400 The spiteful part of me enjoys that.

00:03:17.840 But there's these dueling taxpayer organizations that are sort of like pointing at each other saying,

00:03:24.240 no, you want this thing, no, you want this thing. Why don't you tell us a little bit about that?

00:03:29.180 You're absolutely right.

00:03:30.300 And so what's happened is that a lot of cities have done the math on hosting the Olympics

00:03:37.340 and realized that as the Olympics are being held today, it's just unaffordable to put on an Olympics the way the IOC demands and requires them to be put on.

00:03:51.140 It's a number in the billions. Tokyo, for example, had a budget of $12 billion for their Olympics.

00:03:58.720 They just came back a few days ago and said it's going to be higher than that.

00:04:02.760 It's going to be $25 billion. So more than double in the cost.

00:04:07.160 So what we're seeing now are here in Canada, we have the Canadian Taxpayers Federation who have done a lot of good work on scanning up for taxpayers.

00:04:14.500 There's a Swedish equivalent to that. Not sure entirely what they're called because their name's in Swedish.

00:04:22.140 But the Calgary Taxpayers Federation endorsed Stockholm's bid for the Olympics because Stockholm had said that they would use no taxpayer dollars in hosting the Olympics.

00:04:33.280 Stockholm, perhaps not thrilled with the idea that they would be saddled with billions of dollars in Olympic-related costs,

00:04:39.760 have endorsed Calgary to host the Olympic Games.

00:04:42.980 So, you know, we joke about this being the Olympics that nobody wants.

00:04:47.320 It's now the Olympics people are trying to force on to other cities so that they don't get stuck with the bill.

00:04:53.220 It's like a big frozen hot potato that nobody wants.

00:04:58.320 You're just tossing it around.

00:04:59.600 Now, since we talked last time, the Alberta government has said that they will give money we don't have to the prospect of an Olympics,

00:05:11.320 although it was much lower than I anticipated the Alberta government would give in pursuit of an Olympics.

00:05:18.840 So that's sort of good when you consider the bad things the Alberta government just willy-nilly spends our money on.

00:05:26.940 Right. No, you're absolutely right.

00:05:28.360 And we said it before, I think, once on your show, that it was when the province forced the city to hold a vote

00:05:35.320 on whether or not to hold the Olympics, that it was a surprising day that it was our NDP government

00:05:40.600 who were being the voice of democracy and reason in this.

00:05:45.900 And I'll say it again.

00:05:46.580 Weird. Twilight zone. Twilight zone stuff.

00:05:49.520 They are being the voice of comparative fiscal responsibility when it comes to these Olympics.

00:05:55.300 So even though the Olympic Big Committee won't publicly admit this, privately, they were convinced that for this public funding model to work,

00:06:05.700 the city would pay about $500 million, the province would pay $1 billion, and the federal government would pay $1.5 billion.

00:06:14.340 And combined, that would get us to that $3 billion number that is in the proposed bid plan.

00:06:21.300 Now, what happened, of course, is Rachel Notley and her government came out and announced $700 million.

00:06:26.580 And announced $700 million and not a penny more, even if the costs escalate,

00:06:31.760 which happens, as far as I can tell, in every single Olympics that's ever been held since ancient days in Athens.

00:06:38.480 So it was a big blow to the Olympic Committee.

00:06:42.860 And it meant that there's a hole now in how much money they need from taxpayers from different levels of government

00:06:49.280 in order to put these on.

00:06:50.760 The Feds just came out late last week through the media and announced two important things.

00:06:56.620 One, that they would fund up to $1.75 billion, which is a very big number, bigger, I think, than some were expecting.

00:07:03.220 But that they would only be matching the contribution that was coming from the city and the province.

00:07:09.560 So if the city's in at $500 and the province is in at $700, that's $1.2, and the Feds put in $1.2 billion,

00:07:17.540 then that brings us to $2.4, and that leaves a $600 million hole in the funding plan for these Olympics in 2026.

00:07:27.420 Now, I know that Save Calgary sort of did a rundown of how much the Olympics would cost each and every Calgary taxpayer.

00:07:36.220 Was that at the old projection or the new one?

00:07:39.060 This, and credit to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation who put that out, I would say what it did was look at,

00:07:49.260 assuming that $3 billion number was accurate, what would it cost a Calgary household,

00:07:54.820 not just for their municipal share, but their share of the provincial taxes that they pay

00:08:01.400 and their share of the federal taxes that they pay.

00:08:03.480 And they came up with a conservative figure of $2,000 per Calgary household to host these games.

00:08:11.620 And again, that assumes that every project comes in on budget.

00:08:15.960 That presumes that they sell every event to the level that they're predicting to sell,

00:08:21.420 which is virtually sold out, that there are no unforeseen costs,

00:08:25.080 there are no unforeseen increases in things like security or transportation

00:08:30.480 or any of those sorts of things, which also frequently spiral out of control

00:08:35.580 when you're hosting an event of this magnitude.

00:08:38.800 Unreal.

00:08:40.080 Just when you think about the things that the average struggling Calgary family,

00:08:45.700 not even struggling, but let's just say decently middle-class family in Calgary

00:08:51.340 could do with $2,000.

00:08:54.420 Nenshi wanted Calgarians to spend it on a legacy party for himself.

00:08:59.380 It's going to be appalling.

00:09:01.740 Yeah, no, and it's even worse here in Calgary because, as I think most folks know,

00:09:07.320 Calgary's been hit hard by the tough economic times that have affected Alberta.

00:09:12.580 Unemployment is high.

00:09:14.120 Our downtown office towers have a very high vacancy rate,

00:09:18.480 which means the amount of money the city normally gets from property taxes from businesses

00:09:23.540 is dramatically lower than it has been in previous years,

00:09:26.900 which puts more of the burden on house owners, on homeowners to make up the shortfall.

00:09:33.880 So they could be faced with the double whammy of not only $2,000 for an Olympics that,

00:09:39.220 as we've seen, nobody wants, along with also a massive property tax hike

00:09:45.200 in order to just balance the books or even come close to balancing the books at City Hall.

00:09:49.580 And Calgary City Hall already wants to raise taxes just to pay for basic municipal services,

00:09:56.340 and they still want to pursue this Olympic bid at all costs.

00:10:02.100 You know, any sane, rational person who just looked at this from a cost-benefit standpoint

00:10:08.360 will come to the same conclusion we did, which is this is not a good deal.

00:10:11.800 Despite what the pro-Olympic people will tell you,

00:10:15.820 the Olympics do not solve every single problem a city is facing.

00:10:20.000 They will not bring head offices to Calgary.

00:10:22.500 They will not raise the price of oil.

00:10:25.000 They will not change the minds of British Columbians and Montrealers to let us build new pipelines.

00:10:31.000 These are not things that an Olympics will do.

00:10:34.360 What they will do is layer on costs to taxpayers,

00:10:38.060 and I think that our city council has been used to, for a very long time,

00:10:44.360 simply hiking taxes and telling citizens,

00:10:46.840 it's for your own good, trust us, we know what's best for you.

00:10:51.420 And this time around, taxpayers said, no, we've had enough.

00:10:53.940 We've had enough of you just raising our taxes and spending the money on whatever project you favor,

00:10:59.700 whether that's million-dollar cycle lanes or public art that people think is leftover construction material.

00:11:06.060 And this time they said, no, we've had enough.

00:11:09.300 This plan doesn't make sense for Calgary and Calgarians,

00:11:11.580 doesn't make sense for my family, so I'm not supporting it.

00:11:14.900 You know, it's funny that you brought up Whistler,

00:11:17.380 because wasn't Whistler one of the sort of satellite cities that might get part of the events

00:11:25.440 if a Calgary Olympics went forward?

00:11:26.940 And I know that some people were sort of saying, oh, you know, like,

00:11:30.560 we can't give Whistler a piece of the pie if BC doesn't let us build a pipeline.

00:11:36.820 I say give them the whole pie.

00:11:38.140 Give them the whole thing.

00:11:39.120 Give them the pie, the kitchen, all the fruit, everything.

00:11:42.580 Take the whole thing, you know.

00:11:45.120 That's, again, the spiteful part of me acting up.

00:11:47.620 Now, I wanted to talk to you a little bit about some of the leaked information

00:11:56.440 that's being leaked out of Calgary City Hall about the Olympics.

00:12:00.880 We're so used to secrecy around Calgary City Hall.

00:12:04.820 They do so much in camera, so out of the view of the public,

00:12:09.220 that it's become such a problem that city councillors don't even know what's going on

00:12:13.860 with regard to the Olympics.

00:12:14.960 Sean Chu said he had no idea about some of the stuff the mayor was saying

00:12:21.360 with regard to the Olympics.

00:12:24.560 It's become really hard to find out what is actually true in this Olympic saga

00:12:30.480 because you're absolutely right.

00:12:31.960 I like to make the joke that city council's left hand didn't know

00:12:35.240 what its far left hand was doing when it came to these Olympics.

00:12:38.460 As of Friday, what we know is that apparently, according to the mayor,

00:12:46.020 the fact that the federal government was going to require matching funds

00:12:49.780 from the city and the province came as a surprise.

00:12:52.180 Except we know that's not true because in September, there was a letter from the feds

00:12:57.740 stating, reminding Calgary about its funding for major sporting events policy,

00:13:02.880 which said, we only matched and we weren't prepared to give more than that.

00:13:06.620 So for the mayor to say that that was a complete surprise is just not true.

00:13:11.520 We also learned that they are considering using money earmarked for other projects

00:13:17.640 in order to top up the missing money from the Olympic bid.

00:13:22.600 And that could include taking money from Calgary's Green Line LRT expansion.

00:13:27.100 So, you know, a project which has been announced half a dozen times

00:13:31.440 by half a dozen governments of every level.

00:13:35.120 And, you know, it was supposed to be twice as long as it is now.

00:13:39.000 And now they want to take hundreds of millions of dollars out of that,

00:13:41.540 which means either building, what, a quarter of what the Green Line was supposed to be

00:13:46.680 or delaying its construction for years and years.

00:13:50.620 So that gave us a huge surprise, particularly the city councillors who, you know,

00:13:54.960 have the Green Line scheduled to run through their wards

00:13:57.280 and have been promising this to their voters, you know, during the last election.

00:14:01.340 So all of these things just sort of popped up over the weekend.

00:14:05.880 And credit to Don Braid, who did release some of these things through, you know, his columns.

00:14:14.460 There are a lot of angry councillors that they were kept in the dark.

00:14:17.080 And it makes me think, well, now you know how the voters and taxpayers of Calgary feel

00:14:21.840 all of the time when it comes to City Hall.

00:14:24.500 We never get told what the real story is.

00:14:27.160 And you're now finally getting a taste of what it's like to be locked outside

00:14:31.100 from big decisions about big spending and about the future of our city.

00:14:36.020 Now, we're recording this Tuesday morning.

00:14:39.780 It will air Wednesday evening.

00:14:42.460 So a lot of things.

00:14:43.320 So this is changing very fast.

00:14:45.040 It's going to happen sort of in the interim.

00:14:47.720 But what is happening right now with regard to the Olympics?

00:14:52.840 Absolutely.

00:14:53.380 Right as we're talking back and forth, the City Council has an Olympic bid oversight committee.

00:15:00.240 And that committee is meeting right as we speak in order to consider a motion

00:15:04.740 to withdraw Calgary from consideration of the 2026 Winter Olympics.

00:15:10.540 If that motion goes through and, you know, unless there's been yet another shocking development

00:15:17.180 in the middle of the night, and given how these Olympics have gone, that's entirely possible.

00:15:22.520 Unless something dramatic has happened, that motion will be approved.

00:15:26.640 And it will go to City Council tomorrow, Wednesday, for the vote of full council.

00:15:32.400 And if so, that would be the end of Calgary's Olympic bid.

00:15:35.480 The plebiscite would be cancelled.

00:15:37.720 We would presumably stop spending money on a bid at that point.

00:15:41.980 Although, you know, who knows?

00:15:43.740 Because BigCo, the company in charge of our bid, is not yet subject to any freedom of information

00:15:48.940 laws.

00:15:49.260 So we have no idea what they're doing or how they're spending money.

00:15:52.100 But it would be the last gasp of these Olympics.

00:15:56.980 They would fall to the ground at that point.

00:15:58.980 Well, it's pretty clear I wouldn't be mad at that.

00:16:04.960 I also know that there are some questions around how the plebiscite was going to be handled.

00:16:11.380 Because I don't think that was entirely clear.

00:16:13.560 And there are some problems with the Calgary municipal election.

00:16:18.060 And I know a lot of people were concerned that those would sort of bleed over into the new

00:16:22.380 plebiscite.

00:16:23.900 No, you're absolutely right.

00:16:25.460 It's kind of funny to think that Calgary apparently has never run an election before.

00:16:30.600 And they have absolutely no idea how to run one and have appropriate safeguards.

00:16:36.020 So one of the things we learned is that if you've requested an advance ballot, your name

00:16:43.520 is added to a list.

00:16:44.640 And that list will be available to scrutineers for the different sides of this plebiscite

00:16:50.020 to be able to cross-reference to voters who are voting.

00:16:53.940 But that is the silliest way I've ever heard of maintaining voter security.

00:16:59.280 In elections that I'm familiar with, there's a list of people who can vote.

00:17:03.020 We call it a voters list.

00:17:04.480 And if you voted through advance poll, you requested a mail-in ballot, then we would cross

00:17:09.380 your name off that voters list.

00:17:11.240 So you can't come and vote on election day.

00:17:14.620 Well, the city doesn't do that.

00:17:15.880 The city just assumes either we'll be able to look through a list thousands of names long

00:17:20.920 every single time a voter comes to cast their ballot on the day of the plebiscite, or that

00:17:27.000 because there's a penalty for voting twice, no Calgarian would risk it. 0.78

00:17:31.120 It is frankly a ridiculous position for the city to maintain.

00:17:35.700 And it makes me wonder if Calgary has ever had a free and fair election in the last however

00:17:42.360 many years, because apparently they don't believe in voter security.

00:17:45.680 They don't believe in proper controls.

00:17:47.520 They don't believe in maintaining the integrity of their own elections.

00:17:50.320 It sounds like a weird job creation strategy to overcomplicate the voting process by having

00:17:57.080 to put eyeballs on the voters list over and over and over again.

00:18:01.520 I wanted to ask you, do we have any idea how much this whole pursuit of thinking about an

00:18:10.520 Olympic bid has cost Calgary taxpayers so far?

00:18:15.320 Short answer, no, we don't.

00:18:18.280 And the reason is, again, because so much of the information isn't publicly available.

00:18:24.120 You know, it might become publicly available months or years down the road, but right now

00:18:29.360 we don't.

00:18:29.860 But what we do know is they've already spent millions and millions of dollars preparing

00:18:36.240 for the bidding process.

00:18:39.720 And they've now spent millions and millions of dollars on the bid process itself.

00:18:44.840 And they've spent however much money on their public engagement sessions, which are being

00:18:51.760 held around town and which are discovering, by the way, that people are overwhelmingly opposed

00:18:57.700 to hosting these Olympic Games.

00:18:59.960 I would venture that the number so far is in the tens of millions of dollars.

00:19:04.860 It cannot be less than that, given how much has been spent to date on staff, on, you know,

00:19:12.360 reports, on a boosterism, on promotion.

00:19:17.080 There's paid advertising, all of these things.

00:19:19.520 So that number is in the tens of billions.

00:19:21.540 How many tens of millions?

00:19:22.940 Well, we don't know.

00:19:23.580 That's some more of that transparency from Calgary City Council.

00:19:28.780 Now, I wanted to ask you, who do you think is going to get stuck with this Olympics?

00:19:35.500 What happens if literally nobody wants it?

00:19:39.140 So there are still three cities in contention for the 2026 Olympics.

00:19:44.900 And by the way, this is not the first time that they've come down to having few to no options

00:19:52.660 on it.

00:19:53.280 For one of the Summer Olympics, or Winter Olympics, sorry, it was Beijing versus Kazakhstan.

00:20:00.200 And by default, it kind of went to Beijing, a city notorious for, you know, not having a

00:20:05.760 ton of snow in the winter months.

00:20:07.900 So not entirely certain how that's going to work.

00:20:09.520 If Stockholm follows through on its threat to withdraw, if Italy can't get guaranteed federal

00:20:16.100 funding and withdrawals, and if in the next 48 hours, Calgary City Council puts a bullet

00:20:21.500 in the head of our Olympic bid, that would leave nobody.

00:20:25.480 And so the IOC has spoken to the poor people of Salt Lake City who hosted the Olympics a while

00:20:33.400 back and secured them as the backup site for the 2026 Olympics.

00:20:40.900 You know, what did Salt Lake City ever do to deserve two Olympics?

00:20:45.800 I guess they're just too nice to say no to the big bad IOC and their, you know, who want

00:20:50.780 their expensive two week taxpayer funded luxury vacation every two years.

00:20:55.620 Oh, how terrible.

00:20:56.900 Now, when the, when God willing, the Olympics gets axe murdered, what is on the agenda for

00:21:05.680 Save Calgary next?

00:21:06.700 What's your next big thing on the horizon to save Calgary taxpayers from, you know, spending

00:21:14.500 money that they don't need to?

00:21:16.840 There's, there's so many things.

00:21:18.620 It's, it's hard to even know what to choose from.

00:21:21.420 There's the forthcoming massive property tax hike, because what I love is that the city

00:21:28.520 isn't going to present its financial update and preliminary budget until the day after

00:21:33.360 the plebiscite.

00:21:34.500 So what good timing?

00:21:36.520 Let's wait until after the vote to reveal a more accurate financial picture of, of where

00:21:43.240 the city of Calgary is at.

00:21:44.340 But that's going to happen.

00:21:45.360 And we're fairly certain it's going to include a, a simply catastrophic tax hike for, you

00:21:52.940 know, certainly homeowners, possibly also businesses.

00:21:56.300 And so that's definitely going to the top of our chart.

00:21:59.520 This Olympics also, this plebiscite process has showed us the incredible flaws that exist

00:22:04.860 with how Calgary runs and holds elections.

00:22:06.640 And the time to fix that would be well before the, the next municipal election, where we

00:22:12.860 hope to, you know, maybe make some real change, especially of this time, the election is run

00:22:17.980 fairly inaccurately.

00:22:19.580 So that's going to be on our list.

00:22:21.600 And there's some perennial favorites that I'm sure will crop up public art.

00:22:26.900 I just saw a new $900,000 piece that was announced and shown today.

00:22:33.200 To me, it looked like a bunch of, you know, metal wire that had been turned into a boomerang.

00:22:40.540 So not sure what it's meant to be, but it costs $900,000.

00:22:44.820 So that's going to be on the list.

00:22:46.560 And I have no doubt that when it comes to this city council, there is no shortage of issues

00:22:50.900 for Save Calgary to be pursuing in the coming months.

00:22:53.820 Well, William, how do people support Save Calgary?

00:22:56.940 How do they find out what you're up to next?

00:23:00.420 Absolutely.

00:23:00.860 A few things that we, you know, use to try and stay in touch with voters is through our

00:23:06.300 Facebook page, facebook.com slash Save Calgary, through our website, savecalgary.com.

00:23:12.820 We have a mailing list and send out weekly emails on issues of concern.

00:23:17.360 I got to stop you there.

00:23:18.480 Those are the best written political emails I get every single week.

00:23:22.880 I think they're yours.

00:23:23.700 I think you're writing those.

00:23:25.080 They're really good.

00:23:25.600 Well, we really appreciate that.

00:23:26.740 Thank you.

00:23:27.160 It's a lot of fun to poke.

00:23:28.860 You know, I know that we're not very popular at City Hall.

00:23:31.880 In fact, I heard from a friend who works over there that Save Calgary gets mentioned quite

00:23:38.880 a lot in some of those closed-door sessions.

00:23:43.360 And they find us bothersome as a group.

00:23:46.020 So that's a point of pride for us.

00:23:47.940 So certainly through our website, through our email list, follow us on our social media,

00:23:51.200 particularly through Facebook.

00:23:52.280 And we very much appreciate the support and enthusiasm, the positive comments we get from

00:23:57.600 voters who think, finally, there's someone who actually cares about me and my family and

00:24:01.760 my taxes, not just the big special interests down at City Hall.

00:24:05.560 Can people donate to Save Calgary?

00:24:08.480 Absolutely.

00:24:09.200 We are grassroots funded.

00:24:10.620 And if you go to our website, if you check us out on Facebook, there are links to give

00:24:14.260 us money.

00:24:14.660 If you sign up for our email, sometimes we put in a pitch for that.

00:24:18.080 And we're very grateful for contributions we get, which allow us to do the research, to

00:24:22.740 do the public awareness, to run the issue campaigns that we do to try and keep this City

00:24:27.520 Hall a little more accountable than it's been in the past.

00:24:30.200 Awesome.

00:24:30.760 William, I want to thank you so much again for how generous you always are with your time.

00:24:35.860 And I want to thank you for, I think you guys really spearheaded the charge against the

00:24:41.620 Olympics and for transparency.

00:24:43.280 So I think Calgary taxpayers owe you guys a debt of thanks.

00:24:48.080 Well, thanks, Sheila.

00:24:48.820 It's always great to be here.

00:24:49.880 And we, you know, are so happy to be helping make life a little bit more affordable for

00:24:53.780 Calgary voters.

00:24:54.720 Amen.

00:24:55.320 Thanks, William.

00:24:56.400 Thanks.

00:25:09.800 Again, I want to reiterate, as I'm filming this, Calgary City Council is meeting to decide

00:25:15.500 whether or not the bid will go forward after a new cost-sharing agreement was reached late

00:25:21.760 last night.

00:25:22.280 The new cost-sharing agreement cuts a couple million dollars out of an already low-balled

00:25:28.020 $610 million allocated for security and policing to keep the Calgary public safe during the Olympics.

00:25:35.640 For perspective, it cost $1 billion to provide security and policing for the Vancouver 2010

00:25:42.520 Olympic Games.

00:25:44.080 And Calgary's Olympic Games will be held 16 full years later.

00:25:49.260 I can't see how the numbers are going to hold up.

00:25:52.280 And I hope and pray they don't.

00:25:53.940 I hope by the time you're watching this gun show tonight, the Frankenstein monster of the

00:25:59.960 Calgary Olympic bid is finally dead.

00:26:03.460 And if it isn't, the Calgarians will have another chance to kill it November 13th at their

00:26:09.140 plebiscite.

00:26:10.200 And in the meantime, you'll have the good folks at Save Calgary looking out for taxpayers'

00:26:15.080 best interests.

00:26:16.160 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:26:18.720 Thank you so much for taking the time to tune in.

00:26:21.240 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:26:25.460 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:26:51.240 Thank you.

00:26:52.240 Thank you.

00:26:53.240 Thank you.

00:26:54.240 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - November 01, 2018

Will Calgary taxpayers get saddled with hosting unaffordable Olympics？ (Guest： William McBeath, Save Calgary)

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