Ep 1242 ｜ Christians, Rise Up. This Is the Moment
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J.D. Vance has some strong words for those who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination, and especially those who are celebrating it. He reminds us that we are called to be peacemakers, and to turn the other cheek and forgive those who persecute us.
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And I've got a message for you from the Word of God that I hope encourages you.
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And so I hope this gives you the bravery that you need.
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Vice President J.D. Vance guest hosted Charlie Kirk's show yesterday.
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And he had some words for the country and especially for those who are celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk.
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There is no unity with people who scream at children over their parents' politics.
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There is no unity with someone who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to excuse his murder.
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There is no unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend.
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There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination.
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And there is no unity with the people who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers,
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who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which they disagree.
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Look, as Christians, we are called to try to make peace with everyone.
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But making peace with people does not mean being weak.
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It means sometimes that we have to restrain evil and punish wickedness on behalf of the most vulnerable.
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People get very confused sometimes about Jesus's commands to turn the other cheek and to forgive and to pray for our enemies and pray for those who persecute us.
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All of those things are commands for the Christian and they are countercultural.
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They are definitely against any kind of spirit of anger and bitterness and vengeance when it comes to our personal relationships.
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People apply that wrongly to how the government is supposed to act.
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When we say, well, we need to punish crime or we need to use the death penalty to punish those who commit this kind of murder,
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people will say, well, Jesus said to turn the other cheek.
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And I just want to take you through that logic for a second.
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If you're saying that Jesus's commands apply to the government, then you would be saying that we should not punish crime at all.
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Because if we should turn the other cheek when people commit these heinous crimes of rape or assault or murder,
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that would mean that we also shouldn't put them in jail.
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And surely I haven't met anyone yet who believes that.
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So I think we have to think a little bit more deeply about what it means to make peace
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What it actually means in these passages is to conduct ourselves in our interpersonal communication,
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in our relationships with grace and forgiveness and foregoing all hypocrisy
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and the kind of resentment that builds up between people,
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understanding that God in Christ has forgiven us so much.
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There is a possibility for repentance and for salvation and for spiritual mercy for this person who killed Charlie Kirk.
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I pray that the Holy Spirit would enter his heart, that he would change,
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that he would see the gravity of what he did and the state of his sinful self apart from Christ bound for hell.
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Because what we see, specifically in Romans 13, that the state, the government, does not bear the sword in vain.
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And when we're talking specifically about this particular person that committed this crime against Charlie Kirk and committed this murder,
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we go all the way back to Genesis 9 in the Noahic Covenant, before the establishment of Israel, before the establishment of any civilization.
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When God says that if you commit murder, then you should be executed.
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If you shed another's blood, if you shed the blood of an innocent person, then your blood will be shed.
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It's for a reason that is still true today because man is made in God's image.
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So I just want you to understand that, yes, as Christians, we should be peacemakers and we should seek to forgive.
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That does not mean that we do not have the responsibility to compel and advocate to our government to exact earthly justice.
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It's not collectively maligning one group because of their socioeconomic status or race.
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It's not an oppressed versus oppressor dichotomy.
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It's not taking away the wealth and the privilege from one group and trying to redistribute it to another group.
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We can look at God's law giving to Israel and his character throughout Scripture to look at what justice should look like.
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If we are going to abide by the creator's rules that the founders abided by.
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Proportional, it is impartial, it is truthful, and it is direct.
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People are very confused about what justice needs to look like today.
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And even though J.D. Vance right there, he's not talking about the death penalty.
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I don't think I know his personal stance on the death penalty, particularly as a Catholic.
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I do hear him emphasizing the government's job to restrain evil.
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That's the same thing I heard Stephen Miller say in the clip that we played on Monday.
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I'm not saying that we should be trying to stoke division because ultimately this is not left versus right.
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We saw people of all races be murdered by these rioters.
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Never forget St. Louis police officer, former police officer David Dorn.
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She was a little eight-year-old girl who was killed by BLM rioters in Atlanta, Georgia a few years ago.
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Has that happened in the wake of the death of one of the right's heroes?
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He was just kind of a symbol of something that people on the left think is systemic, and it's actually not.
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But Charlie Kirk, he was someone that millions and millions of people on our side around the world admired.
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Have we seen anyone scared to leave their homes?
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Have we seen any business board up their windows?
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Are police officers scared for their lives right now?
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Do we see plans of vengeance coming to fruition?
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And I love this kind of clear language from J.D. Vance.
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To have this kind of moral clarity in the White House is so incredibly important.
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And what I can pray is that justice, true, biblical, proportionate, impartial justice manifests itself.
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And that this administration, if it accomplishes nothing else, that it would accomplish its godly responsibility, its God-given obligation to restrain evil on behalf of the most vulnerable.
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I've always said that one way to love your neighbor, one way to love your neighbor is to fight crime.
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One way to show compassion for the most vulnerable, to stand up for the truly marginalized, the truly defenseless, is to do everything you can to stop violence in the streets and to protect them from those who give no regard to their well-being.
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And so this is the righteous obligation of the government to do what they can to put a stop to evil.
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Okay, we've got a lot more to say about J.D. Vance's comments on Charlie Kirk's podcast.
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Okay, so he's got a word for the people who are celebrating or excusing or downplaying
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in any way this horrible assassination sought for.
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So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out in hell.
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We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility.
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And there is no civility in the celebration of political assassination.
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It's what a lot of people have been saying, that there are consequences for celebrating
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And if you're possessed by a demon, I don't want you to be a pediatric nurse.
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I don't want you working at the old folks' home.
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I don't want you to be a professor shaping the minds of future leaders and voters.
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So yes, you should be calling the employer of people who are out and out celebrating or
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There has to be social ostracization for those people.
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As Stephen Miller said yesterday, we will not live in fear, but you will live in exile.
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That is what the justice system is for when people are actually committing crimes.
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I'm not talking about punishing people legally for their speech, but when people are actually
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committing crimes, these cells of violence and radicalization that we're seeing across
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the country, our justice system is supposed to go after those.
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And when it comes to people who are celebrating this assassination, there are social consequences
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And if you didn't want that to happen, shouldn't have killed the nicest guy on the right.
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St. Paul tells us in the book of Ephesians to put on the full armor of God.
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Let all of us put on that armor and commit ourselves to that cause for which Charlie gave
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his life, to rebuild a united states of America and to do it by telling the truth.
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Don't partner with darkness, but instead expose it.
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That's what the book of Ephesians tells us to do.
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There's so much wisdom in the book of Ephesians.
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My friend and I, I feel like I've probably told you this before, but I can't remember.
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My friend and I, when we were in college, we decided to memorize the whole book of Ephesians,
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which I don't think there's another book that I've memorized in full.
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I've memorized lots of bits and pieces of the Bible over time, but we decided to memorize
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and recite to each other just for fun, the entire book of Ephesians.
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I really encourage you to challenge yourself in that way because you have heard me do it.
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You've heard me just tell you Ephesians 2, and I keep going and going because like 13
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years ago, my friend and I decided to memorize it and recite it.
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And it really does hide the word in your heart.
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And you're just reminded of the gospel all the time.
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You're reminded of these verses all of the time because you have it locked away in your
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So, wow, what a gift it is to hide God's word in your heart and how amazing it is that
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it is living and active, that every time something happens, it bubbles up.
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And God is so good that he has given us his will in his word so that we don't have to wonder
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But this ancient text that is always applicable to us in every single moment is ministering
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to our hearts when we read Scripture and when we memorize Scripture.
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But it's so important to know and understand truth right now.
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So there's this other clip from J.D. Vance where he basically recites the Nicene Creed,
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and the Nicene Creed in general is what unites kind of Catholics and Protestants that generally
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I mean, this is so much of the gospel that is being publicized in Charlie's name to millions
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Now, the most important truth Charlie told is this, that long ago, a man begotten, not
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made, came down from heaven and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary and
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For our sake, he was crucified under Pontius Pilate and suffered death and was buried and
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Charlie believed, as I do, that all the truth he told flowed from that fundamental principle.
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So I just thought that was a beautiful tribute.
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I thought that it balanced strength and faith and hope and peace really well.
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We need peace through strength, not just externally, but internally as well.
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As I've said before, when, you know, before Charlie, like we all thought on the right, we
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were bringing words, we were bringing beliefs, but they were bringing weapons and they were
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And this is a very different battle than the one that we thought.
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But again, in order to do that, we have to root out evil.
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Now, on Monday, we talked about all of the revival, the awakening that we are seeing across
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These so many people who have reached out to me personally, people that I've known in
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life, also just followers and fans sending me messages saying, I'm going to church.
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Um, I was talking to my makeup artist this morning and she was so deeply affected by Charlie's
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And of course she didn't, she didn't know him personally, but it is comforting to me when
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I talk to so many people who feel because Charlie was murdered that they lost something.
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And it's sad, of course, but the reason that it is assuring is because I know that this
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has changed everything, it's changed everything ultimately, I think, in a way that God will
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bring glory to himself and that will lead to change that will be good for the country.
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Now, would I have chosen, would anyone have chosen for it to go this way?
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I hate that Charlie was an impetus for anything.
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I wish that there could have been a revival and reawakening without this.
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And I do think that that had already kind of been started, but again, God is in the
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He is in the business of making beauty out of ashes and thwarting Satan's schemes.
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I just want to play you this clip of Forrest Frank.
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A lot of people are saying that they lost followers, they lost friends, they had to block
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people because they said something about Charlie Kirk.
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And, you know, Forrest, as I've talked about, we did a segment, Charlie and I did, on Fox and
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And I said that there is genuinely good music now that is glorifying God.
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And I talked about going to a Forrest Frank concert and Charlie had talked about Forrest
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And so Forrest just did this kind of like a dedication video to Charlie, didn't make a
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Well, after he got backlash, this is what Forrest had to say.
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30,000 people unfollowed me because I posted about Charlie Kirk and I said that Jesus Christ
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I don't want you to do any of that if you don't do this one thing.
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And that is follow Jesus Christ, the King of all kings, the Lord of all lords, the one
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So if you have not gotten your heart right with him and dropped down on your knees and
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I just want you to know that Jesus Christ is here and he loves you.
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Okay, like that's just I just want y'all to know out there, especially y'all who just
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And the fact that he said that he repents for not being bolder in his platform, someone
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that I think very unapologetically shares the gospel, but maybe he feels like he's been
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reticent to say some things that are true for fear of backlash, like that is really big.
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Elisa Childers, she's going to be speaking at Share the Arrows.
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She posted on X a confession that a few years ago she was asked to speak at a conference
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with Charlie, but she believed some of the progressive lies about Charlie, that he was
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She did the only thing that we can ever do when we mess up, when we make a mistake, when
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And she said this was to her shame and that she was wrong about Charlie and that she watched
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all this footage of Charlie and realized that he was a minister of the gospel, that he wanted
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And I'm not just talking about non-Christians waking up.
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I am talking about Christians who have been shaken because of this.
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And I feel like I have been even more reinvigorated.
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I mean, at first, my reaction, of course, was fear and anxiety.
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But gosh, this has so firmly established the importance of bold truth tellers.
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And this has awakened, I think, this just spirit of courage.
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And when it hits one person, that torch is passed to the next and the next.
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And I've been thinking about this quote that I heard from my friend, Seth Gruber.
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He has an organization, a pro-life organization called the White Rose Resistance.
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And he got this name from the White Rose Resistance of Christians in Germany who fought against
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And Hans and Sophie Scholl were these young 22 and 24-year-old brother and sister pair that
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And they were beheaded for their advocacy for fighting against Nazism and fighting on behalf
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of their fellow image bearers of God in Germany.
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At the age of 22, Sophie Scholl wrote a letter to her mother explaining what the real problem is.
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She said that the real problem weren't the evildoers, but the cowards.
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The real damage is done by those millions who just want to survive.
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The honest men who just want to be left in peace.
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Those who don't want their little lives disturbed by anything bigger than themselves.
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Those who won't take measure of their own strength for fear of antagonizing their own weakness.
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Those for whom freedom, honor, truth, and principles are only literature.
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If you don't make any noise, the boogeyman won't find you.
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Those people who roll up their spirits into tiny little balls so as to be safe.
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Narrow streets lead to the same place as wide avenues.
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And a little candle burns itself out just like a flaming torch does.
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Sophie's bravery, her death, helped fan the flame of Nazi opposition throughout the world.
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And I just want to remind you, Christian, that your heritage is not one of cowardice.
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I think a lot of people can look out at the chaos of our world and say, it's never been worse than this.
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They're getting darker than they've ever been before.
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It's harder to live like a Christian than ever.
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Let me remind you that Christians used to be fed to lions.
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Let me remind you that Christians used to be beheaded and their heads placed on top of stakes and lit on fire.
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Let me remind you that Christians have been tortured, that they've been butchered, that they have been betrayed, that they have been bruised and battered for their faith.
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Let me remind you of the fate of our Lord, who was full of grace and truth, who only shared truth, who healed the sick, who helped the poor, who touched the untouchable.
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He was the kindest and most loving individual that ever lived, that ever walked the earth.
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I've been thinking a lot over the past few days about Stephen.
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Stephen, who is described as being full of grace and power.
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Stephen, full of grace and power, was doing great wonders and signs among the people.
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Then some of those who belonged to the synagogue of the freedmen, as it was called, and others, paraphrasing that part, rose up and disputed with Stephen.
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But they could not withstand the wisdom and the spirit with which he was speaking.
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We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God, which, of course, was not true.
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And they stirred up the people and the elders and the scribes.
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And they came upon him and seized him and brought him before the council.
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This man never ceases to speak words against this holy place and the law.
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For we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and will change the customs that Moses delivered to us.
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And gazing at him, all who sat in the council saw that his face was like the face of an angel.
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And then Stephen took this opportunity to share the gospel.
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This is the road through the Old Testament from the very beginning until our Messiah, this Jesus, arrived and you rejected him.
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You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit as your fathers did.
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Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute?
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And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the righteous one, whom you have now betrayed and murdered,
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you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.
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So Stephen, out of love for these people, out of a love for God, out of a desire for these people to know truth and accept Jesus as the Messiah,
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Maybe in our day they would have called him a bigot.
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This person, Stephen, who had a face like an angel, who was so peaceful, so calm and full of grace and power.
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Wouldn't all of us want to be described that way as full of grace and power?
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Over and over again, we see that no matter how kind Christians are, no matter how nice we are, no matter how perfect our tone is,
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there will be people because they don't understand the truth, because they don't know the truth,
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because they are depraved in mind, who will want to kill us.
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So anyone out there who would like to say, well, Charlie was killed because of how he spoke,
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because he was divisive, because of his politics.
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No, Charlie was killed because he was a forth-telling prophet.
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And because the prophet in so many different eras has been murdered, has been executed.
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I'm not claiming that he was a foretelling prophet, that he could see the future,
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Through the power of the Holy Spirit, he was able to give such prescient and precise language
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to describe the evil spirit of the age and to call people to repentance.
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And because of that, he made people very angry.
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But the history of Christianity doesn't stop with someone being killed.
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The history of Christianity starts with not Jesus' crucifixion, but his resurrection.
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And because of that, we see the manifestation of the resurrection
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throughout the past 2,000 years of Christian history,
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that when Christians are killed, Christians are multiplied.
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Christians tell the truth, Christians are killed, and then Christians are multiplied.
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That's the pattern that we are seeing right now.
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We are living through the same cycle that Christians have lived through for years.
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And what a blessed privilege that we get to be vessels of courage,
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and making sure that God's purpose of multiplication happens.
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Wow, what a terrifying age, but what a privileged moment that we get to live in.
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Let us meet this moment with the fullness of strength of the power of the Holy Spirit
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that God has placed in every single believer for the past 2,000 years.
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From Herod to Harris, the Holy Spirit is alive and well in the lives of believers.
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All right, I've got more encouragement for us in just a second.
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