Ep 1373 ｜ Pastor： 'Queer Is God’s Design' & 'Hell Doesn’t Exist.' Let’s Debunk
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Summary
On today's episode of Relatable, Beth Beth Stuckey dives deep into theology and answers some of your questions via voicemails about preschool, sleep training, and much more! Resources Mentioned: Queer is God's Design: A sermon from a South Carolina Preacher Blasphemously saying that God is a lesbian.
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Queer is God's design. That is what one preacher from South Carolina is blasphemously saying from
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his pulpit, as well as all different kinds of things about hell. And this might sound crazy,
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but chances are your friends, especially the progressive ones, believe some of this stuff.
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So we will be giving you the responses to some of the things that he was saying in his sermon
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that is now circulating online in today's episode of Relatable, as well as answering some of your
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questions via voicemail about preschool and sleep training and lots of good stuff. We've
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got all of that and more on today's episode of Relatable. Hey y'all, welcome to Relatable.
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Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. Maybe you heard yesterday at church,
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hopefully you did, something like this, that God's eternal plan of redemption is going off
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without a hitch. We have every reason to have hope and have joy because we get to spend eternity
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with him and he's coming back and there's going to be no more wickedness, no more sadness,
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no more cancer, no more abortion, no more oppression, no more blasphemy, like some of
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the things we're going to talk about today. No more craziness. Everything is going to be in
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perfect order, in perfect peace forever and ever. We will get to spend forever with Jesus and with
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the body of Christ and we can rejoice in that. Yes and amen. No matter what is going on in your
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life. No matter what is going on in the world, God is seeking and saving the lost. He is advancing
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the cause of righteousness. He is advancing the truth of the gospel and his kingdom through the
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mostly unseen and unsung work of faithful believers around the world. And you were a part of that by
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being a believer and living your life every step of the way in a way that glorifies God. No, no
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matter how seemingly mundane the next step might be, everything done to honor the Lord echoes in
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eternity and it advances the cause of Christianity, advances God's kingdom. So we are a part of
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something bigger than ourselves. And if you ever want to ask yourself, like, what is really going
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on? The news lies to me. I can't trust everything that I see. What's AI? What's not? If you want
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to know what's really real, if you want to know what's really going on underneath all of the
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headlines, what the government is telling you, all you got to do is read the Bible. That's what's
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really going on at all times. If you want to go down some kind of exciting detour from the
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mainstream narrative, read the Bible. That's never going to be what the mainstream is telling you is
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going on. Read scripture, God's eternal plan of redemption and how it is working out every second
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of every day without hindrance, without interruption, without interference, without
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a hitch. It's amazing. It's a miracle. God's eternal plan of redemption going off without
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a hitch. All right. We got some craziness to get into today. It is Theology Monday and it is going
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to be theology. Last Monday, we had more of like a newsy episode because I had been off for a week
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and we had some things that we need to catch up on. But today we're truly going to dive into some
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theological subjects. Before we do that, just some administrative things. We are hiring. The
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some advice that was given to me early on when I was in college. I learned this,
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just some tips that I would say in applying for a job, and this is not meant to be critical.
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All of this matters. And not just for me as someone who accepts applications and interest
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in jobs all of the time, but for, I would say most employers, I can't speak for everyone,
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but things like this really matter. So when you're applying for a job and you are sending
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an email, you need a subject line. You need a subject line that doesn't have any grammatical
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errors, that doesn't have any spelling errors, that is properly capitalized, and that is relevant
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to what you are doing. Application for, you know, X job opportunity, whatever it is.
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Send an email. Don't just send the attachments. I've gotten emails that have no body in the email
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and it's just an attachment. That's rude. Don't do that. Say Allie. You could say hiring team,
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but since you know I'm the one hiring, I think it's better to address people by name. Don't say
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to whom it may concern. Say Allie, say a little something in the body of the email, and then
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attach your resume and cover letter. When it comes to the resume and cover letter, this is really
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important. The resume should only be one page and it should be a PDF. I can speak from experience
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that when you are going through so many applications, you kind of develop these really
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quick filters to say, okay, I'm not even going to read that resume just because you don't have time
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to thoroughly read every resume. And so there are some things that will just completely discount it
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right away. If I see a resume that's sent as a word document, I'm not going to read it. If I see
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a resume that is more than one page, I'm not going to read it. Same thing with cover letter,
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letter. There's no reason for these to be more than one page. Um, and you make sure it's concise
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by keeping it to only the most relevant information.
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So I don't need to know what GPA you got in high school.
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I don't need to know what classes you took in college.
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I don't really need to know about your extracurriculars.
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I don't need to know that you are an intern in youth group.
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but they're not relevant to the position I'm hiring for.
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do you have the relevant experience for this role?
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I can assume a little bit just from you reaching out, but that will come out in later conversations
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What the, they need to know initially is do you have the relevant experience for this
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Um, so that's the advice that I would give to you.
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And I would also say, do not apply for a job that you do not have relevant experience for.
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I'm like, maybe just by chance, or maybe God is just going to connect me to this job that I have
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no business applying for whatsoever, but I'm just going to take a shot. And of course, anything is
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possible, but it is not a good idea. It's not a good idea. It actually demonstrates that you
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probably didn't listen to the person who was saying that they are looking for a particular
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job and that's never a good foot to start on. So only apply for jobs that you have relevant
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experience for. When we're looking for a social media manager, I'm looking for someone with social
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I warned you on Instagram, do not be competent around me in the next few months because I will
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try to hire you. So if you are a competent, like-minded person that has any relevant experience
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in the social media realm, but in the media realm in general, then feel free to send me an email
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jobs at alibethsucky.com. And I hope that those little tips will help you no matter what you are
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applying for out there. All right, let's get into it. Let's get into some of this craziness and
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So there was this pastor and his sermon, if you can even call it that, going around online,
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woke preacher clips. He is always circulating some of the crazy things that so-called progressive
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Christians are saying. The reason why I think this is relevant, I mean, this person might seem
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kind of obscure. What do we care? What a Lutheran preacher is saying in Greenville, South Carolina,
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but it is important for us to know that wokeness did not die. It might've seemed like that after
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Donald Trump became president, that they are fading into obscurity, but understand that the
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mentalities that are in, I say so-called progressive Christianity, because I think that's
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an oxymoron. There are people who identify as such, but I actually don't think that those two
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things can go together at all, that this mentality is prevalent and that it's going to get more
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prevalent as people are looking for some semblance of meaning in religion and some things about
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Christianity that they like without actually having to die to self, without actually having to
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give up their worldly values. You'll remember Jubilee when I sat in the middle of 20
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professing liberal Christians and we went through all the claims on gender and sexuality and
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abortion and things like that. And so I feel very, very familiar and by the grace of God
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equipped to handle these kinds of arguments. And today we are going to be talking not just about
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the sexuality aspect, although we will, that's a huge one when it comes to those who identify as
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progressive Christians, but also the existence of hell and the definition of sin. This particular
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pastor says that hell doesn't really exist as a physical place except for the manifestation of
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anti-LGBTQ discrimination here in America, that that is actually what makes hell. So let's go
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through some of his claims about homosexuality not being a sin, hell not existing. And I want
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to try to help you think through these and give you words and tools so that you can respond to
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similar arguments in your own life. Let's go ahead and place up for who had the nerve to tell you or
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any of us or this world for that matter, that being queer makes for an awful person. What in
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that he decided to buy a pet rock, paint it like a poodle, name it Percy, and take it for walks
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because he was too lazy to own a real pet, was he thinking when he told you this? And I assumed that
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it was a man because in most cases it always is. Why has Christianity, the religion of a humble
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brown-skinned immigrant from Nazareth, become the religion of bigotry? Who had the nerve to tell any
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of us that we would be going to hell for the way god created us to be okay there's a lot there we're
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just going to ignore percy and the pet rock thing for a second and we're going to move on to more of
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going to play another clip of that, another part of a sermon in just a second, but we got to break
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this down. Who had the nerve to tell you or any of us or the world that being queer makes for an
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awful person? I assume it was a man who had the nerve to tell any of us that we would be going to
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hell for the way God created us to be? Here's the answer. Who told us that it's possible for us to
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go to hell? Who told us that hell exists? Jesus did. And it's not just people who are gay. As
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Romans 3.23 tells us, all have sin and fall short of the glory of God. That said, we'll circle back
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to the question of homosexuality as a sin in just a second. Let's talk about the existence of hell.
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the Bible explains that hell is eternal fiery punishment for sin. One misconception is that
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Jesus never talks about eternal punishment, but Jesus himself actually refers to hell multiple
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times in the new Testament. He refers to hell far more than he refers to heaven. Matthew 23, 33 to
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the Pharisees, you serpents, you brood of vipers. How are you to escape being sentenced to hell?
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And one thing I just want to say about the Pharisees, because I see another misconception
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a lot, especially among those who call themselves progressives, is that while the Pharisees were
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the religious people, and that's why Jesus didn't like them, Pharisees were in authority. And so
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that's why Jesus bucked against them. They were keepers of the law. And that's why Jesus had a
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problem with them because he was some kind of rebel. Jesus didn't care about religion. He
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didn't care about law. He didn't care about rules. He cared just about relationship. That is a
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misconception of what Jesus came to do. Jesus came to fulfill the law. Yes. And so we are not
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bound to the cleansing and ceremonial law of the old Testament that has been fulfilled in Christ,
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but he doubles down upon the moral law. What he points out with the Pharisees and with the
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Sadducees and some of the religious leaders at the time is not that, Hey, you're too good at
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keeping the law. His problem was the hypocrisy. His problem was that they didn't understand
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that the law is also about your heart posture, that obedience to God starts on the inside.
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That's why he says, if you look at a woman lustfully, you have already committed adultery.
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That is not Jesus saying, oh, you're keeping the law too well, you law keepers. He's saying,
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no, you are law breakers down to your heart. You don't even understand the spirit of the law.
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And so I just want you to understand that, that his message to the Pharisees is not a message to
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religious people. It's a message to rebellious people. It's a message to people like the
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Pharisees who are not truly following God. They might be honoring God through lip service,
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through their external appearances or saying that they are, but in their heart, they don't believe
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in his authority. Mark 9, 43 through 48. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It's
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better for you to enter life crippled with two hands than to go to hell, to the unquenchable
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fire, Jesus calls it. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter
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life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it
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out, it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown
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into hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched. And so this preacher, when
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he mocks the idea of hell and the existence of hell, like he is mocking Jesus's own words. Jesus
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calls hell the unquenchable fire. Luke 12, four through five. I tell you, my friends, do not fear
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those who kill the body. And after that have nothing more that they can do, but I will warn
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you whom to fear. Fear him who after he has killed has authority to cast into hell. Fear God. Of
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course, there is also good news is that yes, there is a hell and there is also a heaven. John 3 16
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tells us that whoever believes in him and jesus will not perish but have everlasting life we get
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reconciliation to god we get spared from that eternal punishment not because of anything we do
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but because of what god has done for us through christ we read that in ephesians 2 as well
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and so yes there is a hell and the hope that we have to escape the flames of hell the just
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punishment that we deserve for our sin is found in jesus that's the mercy not in glossing over
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hell's existence or the existence of sin the next claim that he makes christianity has become this
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religion of bigotry he says why is christianity the religion of a humble brown-skinned immigrant
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from nazareth become their religion of bigotry so here we see the intersectionality if someone
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is brown-skinned if someone is an immigrant that they must also be accepting of homosexuality and
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transgenderism and all of these things this is critical theory queer theory being projected onto
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the Bible. This is not Christianity. This is not someone who loves God and his authority and wants
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to read the Bible asking, how can I glorify God? This is someone who wants to use a religious text
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to justify sin, to justify and to downplay what God calls an abomination. That is blasphemy.
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Okay. His problem here is not with Christians. It's with Jesus. It is Jesus who says in Matthew
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19, four through five, that God created us in the beginning, male and female, and joined us together
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in marriage as one flesh. It is God in his word that calls homosexuality depravity. As we read
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in Romans one, this preacher is confusing biggest, uh, bigotry with the establishment of right and
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wrong, which God establishes not us. And if God is love first John four, eight, then nothing he
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says or does can be hateful or bigoted. He goes on to say more interesting things about hell
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because of how america treats lgbtq people apparently america is hell he says here's
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who in the world had the nerve to tell us that hell is actually real it is not a real place
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it is not in the bible it is not of god it is not a real place except for the literal reality
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being enacted in 2026 against all number of people who don't fall into the right category
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A literal hell of flames is 100% completely absurd.
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More absurd than the dumb pet rock joke I just made.
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So who had the nerve to tell any of you that you're too queer,
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that you're too masculine, too gay, too feminine, or simply too much?
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Don't they know, look at your bulletin cover, queer is God's design.
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It's so interesting to me that the people who are attending that church
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and these, all of these churches, like James Tallarico's church down in Austin,
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but they're old. Sorry, not anything against older people, but I just think it's strange.
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Like we see progressivism as something that is younger, but they're always very sparse
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elderly crowds in these mainline progressive churches. I just find that. Yeah. See, you can
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see right there. I just find that so strange. Okay. We'll get into my response in just a second.
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Okay. Let's talk about this claim. Hell is not of God. He says, furthermore,
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who in the world had the nerve to tell us that hell is actually real. It is not a real place.
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It is not in the Bible. It is not of God. Okay. Again, his problem here is with Jesus. Hell is
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of God because it is his judgment. Now it's not of God in that it's good and wonderful. And it's,
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it's not that it is that it is a place that exists because of his justice and because of
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his judgment and because of his wrath. Matthew 25, 41, depart from me, you cursed into the
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eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. That's Jesus. Second Thessalonians 1,
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6 through 8. Indeed, God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you,
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Christians, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us. When the Lord Jesus
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is revealed from heaven and his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who
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do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. And for those who are
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like, gosh, this just seems so terrible. I want you to think about all of the horrible things
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that go on in the world, all of the injustices, the crimes that happen against children. I want
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you to think of the sweet Christians, their babies, their children who are being beheaded,
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who are being dismembered in places like the Sudan and Nigeria. I want you to think about
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horrors of things like the Holocaust, all of the terrible things that go on. And I want you to
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listen to that feeling that you have inside of you that wants things to be made right. That wants
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the bad guy to be exposed, to be caught and to get his comeuppance. That is natural. We feel that
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when we're reading a book, we feel that when we're watching a movie, we feel that when we turn on the
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news, like when will the evil doer get his recompense? Hey, I think that is natural in all
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of us because it is a longing for something that will manifest itself in eternity. That one day
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everything will be made right. That the enemy, that those who wage evil, those who hurt the
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vulnerable, those who are exploiting, those who can't help themselves, that one day they will be
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punished. If not for the grace and the coverage that is given to them by Jesus, they will be
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punished. Satan, his minions, all of those who practice those works of darkness that have caused
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so much bloodshed and oppression for years and years and years. God will do away with it.
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All of us want that. You want that. You want the bad guy to lose and you want goodness to win. Now,
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progressive, conservative, you could disagree on who that is. Ultimately, it's not up to us.
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It's not about our political enemies or our politics at all. It's about who God calls
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unrighteous. And so if at all you feel like a struggle with that, think about the worst things
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that go on in the world, don't you want those people to pay? You want them to repent, yes,
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but if not that, you want them to pay. Evil is not going to be tolerated forever. And that's
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actually really good news. That's hope that we have. Hebrews 12, 28 through 29, therefore let
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us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken. And thus let us offer to God
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acceptable worship with reverence and offer. Our God is a consuming fire. And that's just to say,
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That's not saying that in that case, we're talking about hell, but we are talking about
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fear of God. We are talking about a God who doesn't tolerate unrighteousness,
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who won't tolerate evil forever. Romans 5, 5. But because of your heart and impenitent heart,
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you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be
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revealed. God is holy. God is just. God is righteous. He is a doler of punishment in the
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most just way possible. And that is why the gospel is such good news that he has sent us a way to
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escape the judgment that we deserve by sending his son, Jesus, to die on the cross for our sin,
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to pay the price of our sin, that whoever believes in him by grace through faith will not perish,
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but have everlasting life. Then he goes on to make a very strange claim. This preacher,
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America is hell. Hell is not a real place except for the literal reality being enacted in 2026
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against all number of people who don't fall into the right category the truth is america is the one
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of the most prosperous free and legally protective societies in history is america perfect by no
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means unfortunately we still have babies inside the womb who are not legally protected um and so
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there are all kinds of things that we as christians want to work toward more justice a better future
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for vulnerable people like babies inside the womb i have a feeling that this pastor is not including
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those babies who don't have equal rights under the law, but legally can still be
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murdered in the United States. I have a feeling that he's talking about something very abstract.
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He's talking about how America is such a horrible place for so-called queer people,
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for immigrants. And yet those people never move. They never move. In fact, you've got people
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migrating here by the millions every year because there's nowhere else to go. America is one of the
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most prosperous the greatest country in the world no matter what your background is there's no better
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place no better place for you um we have all kinds of federal laws that prohibit different kinds of
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discrimination that have been written into law uh for decades millions of people that is part of why
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millions of people every year block here and so this idea that we are some bastion of evil or hate
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or bigotry. It's just not mirrored in reality. Then he makes this horrific claim. Queer is
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God's design. He said, who had the nerve to tell any of you that you're too queer, that you're too
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masculine, too gay, too feminine, or simply too much. Don't they know? Look at your bulletin cover.
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Queer is God's design. I think it's telling that he has to point to the bulletin cover and can't
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actually point to the Bible. God's design from the beginning was marriage as a union between a man
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and a woman. And we read this earlier. We paraphrased this earlier. We were talking about
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Jesus and how he defines marriage, but he is answering questions about divorce. And he goes
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all the way back to the beginning and decides to define marriage according to the creation account.
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Jesus says, have you not read? Have you not read? That's how you answer progressive, by the way.
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Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said,
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therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife and the two
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shall become one flesh so they are no longer two but one flesh what therefore god has joined
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together let not man separate and i just want to point out something because i do meet people who
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profess to be christians who really discount the importance of scripture of memorizing scripture
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that's why i'm so thankful for my evangelical upbringing from a very early age you are learning
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scripture scripture scripture memorization memorizing the books of the bible memorizing
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John 3, 16, memorizing Genesis 1, 1, Genesis 1, 27, so many pieces of scripture. You guys ask me
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all the time, how do you recount so quickly and recall these Bible verses? It's because I went to
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Christian school. It's because I went to church multiple times a week. Of course, I had Christian
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parents too, but Bible memorization in the evangelical world is emphasized from such an
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early age. And I see people, especially from other traditions, kind of discounting that, like
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it's not really important, but do you read the words of Jesus? If you read the words of Jesus,
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you will see so many times. Have you not read? Have you not read? And how does he rebut Satan?
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When Satan tries to twist God's word, the way that this pastor does, he cites God's word. He
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cites his, the word of God, Jesus cites the word of God back to Satan to declare God's authority.
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Um, Jesus knew the word not only because he was the word himself, but because he had also in his
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human form studied the word. And that's a model to us. The way you know how to rebut the way,
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you know, just intuitively how to get to the answer to these very strange statements that
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progressives make some are, which are a lot trickier than this is have you not read? You
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read the word of God, you know, the word of God, there's no other way to do it.
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homosexuality is by definition against god's design scripture describes it as an abomination
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a natural explains the penalty for persisting in this sin just as persisting in other sins in
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rebellion to god is hell that is the result of course the old testament says this it was
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so forbidden that it was called an abomination in leviticus 18 22 and then we see of course
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in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, that they were destroyed because of this sin, not the sin
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of a lack of hospitality, but because of this sin, because of this form of sexual immorality,
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Jude 7 emphasizes that just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise
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indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, that's also what homosexuality is referred
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to in Romans 1, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Romans 1, 26 through
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27, God through Paul makes clear that homosexuality is actually against God's order. 1 Corinthians 6,
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9 through 10 emphasizes that the unrighteous, which includes all manner of sin, the sexually
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immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy, drunkards,
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revilers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. Okay. And so God takes very seriously sin.
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He takes very seriously sexual sin because it's a sin against your own self. It is a sin against
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the body that God created for you. And it is a distortion of God's created order. And in that
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way is unnatural. Even if someone feels that they were born this way, even if someone feels it is
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innate and intuitive. It is still unnatural and it is against God's order. People will say, oh,
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you act like it's so much worse than everything else. Or they'll say, what makes you, what,
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why does this make you an awful person? I had this kind of confrontation when I was on Jubilee. It's
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no, no, no, it's not that. It's that we are all awful people apart from Christ. Like no matter
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what you've done, whether you've only told one white lie in your sin, that sin is big enough to
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separates you from God. Now, I'm not going to say that this kind of sexual sin is the exact same as
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every other sin, because it is a sin against your own body. It has different and bigger consequences
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than some of the other sins. But spiritually, every single sin separates you from God.
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It's not to say that people who are same-sex attracted can't also have other wonderful
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characteristics that we admire in them. It's not that. It's that it is a sin. All sin separates
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us from God. We are all called to deny ourselves. We are all called to deny the sins that we
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struggle with, take up our cross and follow Christ. And God gives us the grace to do that.
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So you actually have to hate someone. You have to hate someone to be a Christian and not tell
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them this truth. If you know that God is love and you know that God is the authority, the most
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loving thing that we can do is agree with God. This pastor doesn't agree with God. This pastor
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is guilty of self-idolatry and is leading himself and others to hell. That's the unfortunate truth.
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you know i think it's interesting to also just to look at what other people think about hell
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what people who profess to be christians think about hell the life way did a 2025 state of
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theology study many americans believe hell exists but far fewer have an orthodox idea of what sends
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people to hell 62 of americans believe there will come a day 62 that's actually higher than i would
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have thought. When Jesus returns to judge everyone who has ever lived, and 50% believe hell is a real
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place where certain people will be punished forever. Again, more than I would have thought.
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This is down quite a bit from a few decades ago. Barna's 2003 study on the subject showed that 71%
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of Americans believed in hell. Belief in a literal hell is especially common among black Protestants
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and evangelical Protestants. Compared with Catholics, only 64% of professing Catholics
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believe that there is hell and mainline Protestants, 59%, not surprising at all. Mainline Protestants,
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very liberal, most Catholics, sorry, but very liberal. Um, at the same time, relatively few
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Americans believe that all people deserve hell because of even the smallest sin. Only 23% agree
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that even a minor sin merits eternal condemnation. That does not surprise me. We have been told that
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we are innately good, that we are all born good, um, that we have to learn bad things. Of course,
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that's not true if you have been around children you can see that there is you don't have to teach
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anyone to lie you don't have to teach someone to be selfish you don't have to teach someone to try
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to get their own way before they you know put the needs of others before themselves you have to teach
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someone those things you have to teach them virtue if you have to cultivate selflessness
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um and then and so we've been taught the opposite however and so only 23 believe that a minor sin
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merits eternal condemnation. 71% disagree. Even among Christians, that doctrine is held by a
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minority. Only 38% of evangelical Protestants. Oh my gosh. We have a doctrine and discipleship
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crisis in the church. 34% of black Protestants and 19% of mainline Protestants and Catholics
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affirm this idea that sin merits hell. Wow. The Bible is clear. Even sins that we may think are
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minor, um, are enough to keep us out of heaven because, because God is perfectly holy. So he
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can't tolerate sin. James writes for whoever keeps the whole law, but fails in one point has become
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guilty of all of it. James two 10. Similarly, Paul writes to the Romans for all have sinned and fall
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short of the glory of God. Romans three 23. But the good news is that we can be forgiven of our
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sin in Christ. That is the only way to escape hell. Romans six 23 says for the wages of sin
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is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus, our Lord. So that is the very,
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very good news. All right. Now we just have time for some voicemails and I do have two ads to do.
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Okay, let's do some voicemails. Let's do voicemail number one.
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Hi, Allie. I was wondering what your thoughts are on about reading other churches or religions
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books of scripture, like the Quran or the Book of Mormon specifically, so I can maybe talk to
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my friends of other faiths and like understand their perspective better. Because sometimes I
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feel like we use the same words, but maybe they mean different things to, you know, to people in
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different faiths. So is that okay? Yeah, just want to know your thoughts. Thanks.
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I don't think it's wrong to read the Quran or the Book of Mormon as a Christian to try to
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really understand like a primary source for what these people believe. I wouldn't do it alone and
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I wouldn't do it without your Bible. I wouldn't do it without supplemental resources from Christians
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who really have studied and understood these texts. Because I think it would be easy in the
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Book of Mormon to be like, oh yeah, well, you know, that kind of makes sense. But we have to be reading
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it as a brand. We have to be comparing it to the word of God to make sure that everything totally
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aligns. We know the word of God is our standard. And so again, I don't think it's wrong to read
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those texts to understand where they are coming from, but a lot of scholars have done a lot of
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work, understand the historical context, have cross referenced these texts and that they would
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probably be better equipped than you or I to be able to explain the meaning of these books and
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how they align with scripture. So I don't know necessarily that you have to go to the primary
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source to understand, um, their perspective. And again, do so in community, do so with the
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leadership and mentorship of other mature Christians do so alongside your Bible. I think
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if you do all of those things prayerfully, then it can be okay. Um, also don't think it's necessary
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though, to evangelize to those people in your life. Okay, let's do voicemail number two.
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Hi, Allie. I'm a first-time mom, and I absolutely love being a mom,
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but I am currently staying at home. That's not the plan forever. I am going to find a job,
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hopefully work from home job to be with my baby, but my husband is working, and so because I'm
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nursing I'm the one getting up with him at night to feed him and the nights are just really hard
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but I'm the only adult awake in the house I'm just kind of struggling through it and you know
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I spend time reading my bible and I have shows that I watch and things to listen to but I was
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just wondering if you had any advice for how to get through the nights because they're just a
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little bit hard as a first time mom to be the only grown-up thanks yeah it is really hard and just
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sleeplessness is really difficult in general. Um, but certainly when you're up at night and you feel
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lonely, you don't want to waste your time or fry your brain, just scrolling on your phone. You want
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something that's redemptive and good, obviously podcasts and sermons and all of those things,
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listening to the Bible can be really helpful. I think watching TV is fine. Although that could
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keep you awake, that can keep your baby awake. It's probably not actually the best thing for you
00:40:08.220
to have that blue light coming into your eyes, prayer, all of that. If there's a friend who is
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also nursing throughout the night is, can y'all send each other encouragement? Those are just
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some practical tips I would give you, but then I would go beyond that and maybe tell you something
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that's slightly controversial, which would be at a certain point when you are comfortable to
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try to establish some kind of routine so that your baby will start sleeping through the night.
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I know some people are super anti sleep training. They think it's cruel. They think the only thing
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that sleep training is, is making your baby or allowing your baby to cry for hours without
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comfort. That is so not the kind of sleep training we did in our house, but we did try to establish
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independence. We did put in place routines. We did taking care of babies. I love taking care of
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your baby to start falling asleep and falling back asleep independently. When that happens,
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that will be a game changer for your life and for your mentality and all of that. Some people
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just think that exhaustion has to be part and parcel with being a mom of a baby. And part of
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that, yes, in the very beginning, but it doesn't have to be like that forever. We actually waited
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too long with our third to start establishing those routines. I was waking up four to five
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times a night by myself feeding her because I was nursing and it was miserable. I was sick all the
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time. I felt awful. I was mentally foggy. It wasn't good for me as a mom of three kids. It wasn't good
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just in general for my like relationships and friendships and my ability to do this podcast.
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And it was really me just not wanting to do the discipline of like, of doing the proper sleep
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training. So when it comes time for that, I don't know how old your baby is. I would just really,
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really encourage you to do that. It is really important for you to sleep through the night
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as much as you possibly can. I am so not about the co-sleeping until your kid is five. Like I
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know that in some crunchy circles, like they, people think that's beautiful and awesome and
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great. I don't, I don't, I don't think it's good. I don't think it's good for you. I don't think
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it's good for your marriage. And so just as soon as you can start to establish those practices,
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disciplines, and routines to try to get your baby to sleep through the night. Um, if your kid is
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chunky, by the way, if your baby is chunky, my babies have been chunky. They're fine. They're
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fine. They don't need to feed, you know, like three to four times a night. They just don't,
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they'll be okay until the morning. I promise. Um, okay, let's go with voicemail number three.
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Hi, Allie. I am calling from a small town in South Georgia where my three kids attend
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the most precious little preschool we have here. My older two daughters have graduated
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and they're no longer an issue here, but my son still has two more years at this precious
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preschool. However, it's at a Methodist church and the Methodist church just hired a new pastor
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who is a woman. I am feeling conflicted about what to do and the message I'm sending to my son
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to a school where the preschool sometimes affiliates with the pastor of the church.
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Please help. Thanks. It's a no from me, dog. Like, I'd be saying no. I wouldn't be sending
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my kid to um a christian preschool that has a woman pastor because that typically has a trickle
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down effect on everything else they teach and i just care about those doctrines at least that
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are underneath the doctrines that they're teaching my kids i highly doubt that they'll be teaching
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kids about like female pastors about lgbtq stuff and all of that it probably is a precious preschool
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and i also understand just wanting to stay there for another year i really do understand that we
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have had a Christian, uh, church preschool that we have absolutely loved. We have absolutely loved
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for years. And I just will always hold those teachers so like closely in my heart. So I do
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understand the emotional and even spiritual attachment that you have to the institutions
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that have loved your children. However, if that church hired a female pastor, we'd be like raising
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a respectful ruckus for a lot of different reasons. Um, but it just wouldn't, it wouldn't
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align anymore. It just, it wouldn't align. And so I'm, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, no,
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I'm going to say there's probably a Baptist, a sweet Baptist preschool in your area that is just
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as precious and would be just as good for your child's socialization and education. Um, and
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doesn't have that issue of compromising on a significant doctrine. So that's my belief in
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that. My other controversial opinion, I guess, advice that I give some parents is that I think
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that Christian preschool is great. Some people are anti-preschool altogether. This is just an
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aside, by the way. Obviously, this caller agrees with me on this, but I think that Christian
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preschool is awesome. I think it's great for your kids. Every individual kid is different. Maybe
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your kid doesn't go to school till kindergarten. They're perfectly fine. That's great. It has been
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so good for my kids and forming friendships and like routines and all different kinds of things.
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And I love to teach them at home, but they learned a lot there too. And so like, I just think it's
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really important to find teachers and schools that align with your values, that will love your kids
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and shape your kids and help your kids grow. I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan of sweet Christian
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all we have time for today. Okay. We will be back here on Wednesday. We've got news. So tell me what
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you want to talk about on Wednesday. Um, the things that you want covered that you want me to
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address. We're always taking your suggestions and don't forget if you are looking for a job
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