Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1380 ｜ Lindsay Clancy Trial： Psychotic Victim or Ruthless Murderer？

00:00:00.320 Lindsay Clancy is accused of murdering her three children in January of 2023, and the

00:00:06.900 trial has a lot of people asking, but what about postpartum psychosis?

00:00:11.980 What about all of the medications she was on?

00:00:15.260 Does this mean that she is not liable legally for killing her children?

00:00:20.500 We're going to explore both perspectives today.

00:00:23.200 My answer, my analysis might surprise you once we dig into all of the details, as well

00:00:29.800 as the arguments for the prosecution and defense. A lot of you have been asking me about this,

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00:01:13.080 Hey, y'all. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful

00:01:17.860 week so far. I didn't get to talk to you guys really on Monday since we did something a little

00:01:21.780 bit different. Had an incredible story that we put out at the beginning of the week, so I didn't

00:01:28.280 get to tell you the biggest news, which is that God's eternal plan of redemption is going off

00:01:33.140 without a hitch, that he's not surprised he's not taken aback by anything. And actually this week is

00:01:38.240 bookmarked by the reminder at the beginning and the end, that God's eternal plan of redemption

00:01:42.480 is going off without a hitch, that God is seeking and saving the lost, that there are testimonies

00:01:47.740 happening on a daily basis that do not make headlines. They're not always going viral.

00:01:52.420 And yet we want to highlight those stories where clearly we see God working and sometimes

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00:02:04.020 those stories as much as possible. It ministers to me, reminds me of God's power of his faithfulness,

00:02:08.920 his relentlessness and giving himself glory and advancing his kingdom. And that's part of why I

00:02:13.580 have these testimonies, not just to edify you guys, but to edify me too, and to embolden me

00:02:18.420 and to fortify my faith too. So go back and listen to or watch Monday's episode. If you haven't also

00:02:23.760 catch Friday's episode, another incredible testimony. Today, we are talking about a subject

00:02:29.820 that we don't always talk about, or at least an umbrella, and that is the umbrella or the

00:02:36.060 category of true crime. And why we are talking about this particular crime story is because

00:02:41.740 it represents an intersection of things that we have been talking about for the past

00:02:47.040 couple of years. And many of you guys have asked me to talk about this tragic story of Lindsay

00:02:54.540 Clancy. Now, after my oldest was born, I would find myself in this state of debilitating worry.

00:03:04.360 I would find myself crying at random times in the middle of the day over completely irrational

00:03:09.580 fears. I see that now they didn't feel irrational at the time. Fears of being, um, of her being

00:03:15.580 taken, being harmed, suddenly developing a deadly illness, totally enveloped. That feeling just

00:03:22.200 totally enveloped me at times. It just completely consumed my thinking. I was scared for people

00:03:28.700 outside of my family to hold her. I was scared to leave her. I was scared to leave with her. I was

00:03:34.300 scared to put her in the car and go somewhere. And I didn't realize it at the time, but I probably

00:03:39.580 had some level of diagnosable postpartum anxiety. And now thankfully it was only anxiety, only worry

00:03:47.740 and fear that was my symptom. And it only lasted for a few weeks as my hormones kind of stabilized

00:03:53.440 and then it dissipated. And I'm very thankful to the Lord for that. I mean, hormones and the pain

00:03:59.280 of recovering from childbirth, the overwhelm of being a new mom, it's just, it's a lot to handle.

00:04:04.600 And sometimes you really don't know how affected you are until that cloud of worry fades and you're

00:04:11.320 able to think clearly again. And so I really only realized retrospectively that I had been

00:04:16.720 in a bad place in those few weeks after I delivered my first baby. I know other people's

00:04:23.380 postpartum experiences have been a lot worse than that. Bouts of really deep depression,

00:04:29.140 even psychotic episodes that have completely debilitated them at what should have been the

00:04:34.880 sweetest time in their lives, true trauma that has had to be overcome by moms after childbirth.

00:04:43.300 And so many of us know women, and maybe you're one of those women who have been somewhere on

00:04:48.500 the spectrum of struggle from a little bit of struggle to a whole lot of struggle post-delivery.

00:04:53.500 So when we, when you and I, when moms hear the case of someone like Lindsay Clancy,

00:04:59.520 our ears perk up.

00:05:00.580 We're interested in all of the different aspects of this because this is a mom, a mom of three

00:05:06.340 like us, and parts of her story were like, I've seen that before.

00:05:10.400 I understand that particular feeling.

00:05:13.720 If you don't know, Clancy is a Massachusetts mom.

00:05:16.500 She is on trial for the murder of her three children, the youngest of whom was just eight 0.67

00:05:21.700 months old.

00:05:22.340 So she was still in that season of postpartum. 0.98

00:05:25.740 So when we hear that, that description, we have two instincts as moms that kick in one, 0.57

00:05:30.480 at least for me, I'll be honest, immediate disgust and anger that anyone could hurt a

00:05:35.920 child, any child, especially their own child.

00:05:38.620 That is my first reaction, that how could someone do this?

00:05:43.340 I don't care what was going on.

00:05:45.060 How could someone so ruthlessly hurt this helpless human being, this human being that

00:05:51.360 is a part of you?

00:05:52.100 Okay.

00:05:52.340 So that is my first reaction. And then there's another thought, and that is mom's understanding

00:06:00.140 of how dark and how out of control for some women postpartum can be. Now, the evidence in this case

00:06:07.100 is indisputable. She confessed to the crime, and yet this is not an open and shut case.

00:06:13.920 It's not a case of whodunit. We know that. There's no question of how, there's no question of where

00:06:19.380 she strangled her children in the basement of her home. The question is not even why.

00:06:26.180 The motive here is actually irrelevant. The question is what? What forces compelled this

00:06:32.100 once doting wife and mother to brutally murder her children? And who, if anyone, had the power 1.00

00:06:39.040 to stop her? A series of emergency room visits, constant phone calls to various doctors, voices

00:06:45.280 in her head telling her to harm herself and her children, and a husband who was a witness

00:06:50.160 to her plunge into darkness and even so left her alone with their children.

00:06:55.800 Lindsay Clancy killed her children. We know that from her own confession, from the evidence that

00:07:01.280 we see. But the defense argues that she was suffering from postpartum psychosis.

00:07:06.560 She was out of her mind and therefore she can't be held legally responsible for their murder,

00:07:11.800 they say. The prosecution, however, says no. Clancy demonstrated planning, strategy,

00:07:18.780 preparation that a truly mentally incapacitated person could not have pulled off. So what's the

00:07:26.040 truth? One could argue that all people who commit heinous acts of violence are at some level

00:07:31.200 mentally unwell and deranged and overtaken by dark influences. Does that remove their

00:07:36.980 responsibility and negate the possibility of justice for their victims? I would say no.

00:07:41.800 Or in Clancy's case, was she also a victim rendered powerless by her own psychosis and

00:07:48.860 the drugs that she was taking to mitigate these symptoms to the point that it would be

00:07:54.100 injustice to punish her?

00:07:56.500 Well, we got to get into it.

00:07:58.620 Let's look at the arguments for both the prosecution and the defense.

00:08:02.220 Let's look at the details of this case, some of the things that her husband has said, and

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00:09:49.600 Okay. If you don't know anything about this case at all, we'll get into the details. So Lindsay

00:09:54.640 clancy she was a she was a labor and delivery nurse in duxbury massachusetts three children

00:10:01.620 that she killed she says on january 24th 2023 um the defense does not dispute and lindsey does not

00:10:09.300 dispute as i have said that she killed her three children instead the defense is arguing that the

00:10:14.600 killings occurred while she was suffering from severe postpartum mental illness and specifically

00:10:20.060 psychosis, rendering her not criminally responsible. And the defense's opening statements,

00:10:25.620 Clancy's attorney, Kevin Reddington stated this, this is a young woman that with her husband

00:10:31.280 tried very hard to get the help she needed. She couldn't sleep, took the Zoloft and was spun out

00:10:36.440 of control all because you're going to hear evidence because she was bipolar. Um, so all

00:10:42.860 because as you're going to hear, I think he's trying to say evidence, uh, because she was

00:10:48.500 bipolar. You don't give a bipolar person Zoloft to every one of these doctors and nurses knew

00:10:55.400 that she was suffering from postpartum and now it is turning into psychosis. So not just the

00:11:02.300 argument that she was suffering from psychosis and depression, but also that the medications

00:11:09.280 that she was given and maybe she herself did not realize were actually inducing a more violent,

00:11:15.420 more severe form of mental illness that the defense is arguing she really couldn't control

00:11:20.680 and turned her into someone that they would say she is not. So the central question for the jury

00:11:27.300 is whether she was legally responsible for her actions or whether she was suffering from

00:11:33.060 postpartum psychosis that actually prevented her from forming criminal intent. Her husband

00:11:40.700 is Patrick Clancy or was Patrick Clancy. They are now divorced. Uh, he testified that Lindsay had

00:11:46.460 experienced intrusive thoughts about suicide and about harming her children that she had told him

00:11:52.140 sought six. Did she also tell you at that time at the beginning of December that she was having,

00:11:57.520 um, some other intrusive thoughts? Yeah. She said she had thoughts of harming the kids. Is that

00:12:02.400 correct? Yeah. And did she tell you, um, whether or not she had specific thoughts of how she would

00:12:09.760 harm the kids? No. And she didn't describe that as hearing this external voice telling her to

00:12:15.940 harm the kids, correct? Correct. Lindsay Clancy gave birth to her third child, Callan, May 24th,

00:12:24.920 2022. So to get the timeline, when you hear the attorney asking Patrick, did she tell you in

00:12:31.580 December of these intrusive thoughts, she is referring to December of 2022. That would have

00:12:38.040 been right before, um, she killed her children. Over the following months, she began experiencing

00:12:44.680 worsening anxiety, insomnia, depression, approximately five months postpartum. It's

00:12:51.000 reported she sought psychiatric treatment as her symptoms intensified. She made multiple, uh, ER

00:12:57.120 visits, according to the Boston Globe, who has reported on this case, contacted crisis hotlines,

00:13:02.040 sought hospital care multiple times over these postpartum months. In late December 2022, she was

00:13:08.640 admitted to McLean Hospital for approximately two weeks of inpatient psychiatric treatment

00:13:13.760 and was discharged on January 5th, 2023, just 19 days after her discharge. On January 24th,

00:13:22.520 2023, prosecutors alleged she killed her children before attempting suicide. So Patrick testified

00:13:28.780 that after her discharge from the psychiatric hospital, she appeared to be improving and

00:13:33.280 behave normally. He said, I was hopeful. He seemed or she seemed much better. Patrick also testified

00:13:39.120 that Lindsay gave no inclination that she would harm their children. I guess he's referring to

00:13:43.260 after that point, after her psychiatric stay sought seven. Did anyone ever tell you not to

00:13:49.560 leave your kids alone with Lindsay? No. In January of 2020, 2023, did Lindsay ever tell you that she

00:13:58.160 wanted to harm your children?

00:14:00.600 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:03.300 Did she ever tell you she was going to kill your children? 0.99

00:14:06.180 Yeah.

00:14:06.840 And what did she say about what she went through?

00:14:09.580 She said she heard a man's voice telling her that if she didn't do it now, she would lose

00:14:15.540 her chance or something like that.

00:14:19.720 And did she also tell you that she had had a moment of psychosis?

00:14:25.620 I don't recall.

00:14:28.160 Okay. So there's a little bit of confusion there. I at least have some questions. On the one hand,

00:14:34.560 he says that Lindsay never said that she wanted to kill her children, but he also says that there

00:14:40.580 was a man in her head, a voice in her head saying, if you don't do it now, you'll miss your chance.

00:14:46.680 What is it? And it's a little unclear to me whether he is referring to in that clip,

00:14:52.840 whether he's referring to before her, um, her stay at the, uh, at the hospital psychiatric

00:14:58.020 hospital or after, after her stay, it must have been from how he answered things maybe

00:15:04.500 in December of 2022 before the psychiatric stay, since he did say that afterwards she never said

00:15:11.180 anything about harming the kids and she seemed to be doing better, or there's just some confusion

00:15:15.980 in the testimony. While on January 24th, 2023, according to Patrick Lancy, Lindsay asked him

00:15:23.040 to leave the house to pick up, take out food and medicine for one of their children. Patrick was

00:15:28.500 gone. Prosecutors argue that Lindsay intentionally killed the couple's three children, a five-year-old

00:15:34.360 girl, a three-year-old boy, and then another little boy aged eight months. And just a trigger

00:15:40.960 warning for the details here. She went into the basement, took her children to the basement and 1.00

00:15:46.480 strangled them using exercise bands that they had there. And prosecution, of course, paints this

00:15:52.680 picture that this was something that she planned out. Obviously she had planned the timing of it.

00:15:59.660 She knew that her husband wasn't going to be there because she had asked him to leave 0.96

00:16:04.680 and picked the weapon, picked the, um, method of killing her children, did this methodically

00:16:12.720 and did this purposely would, that's how their argument goes. Um, now after killing the children, 0.98

00:16:19.300 Lindsay allegedly attempted suicide using multiple methods as evidenced by her, um, 0.99

00:16:25.860 injuries. She says that she jumped from the second story window. She had cut marks on her

00:16:31.840 wrists and neck. Um, and she is now paralyzed from the waist down because of that suicide attempt. 1.00

00:16:39.280 And when Patrick returned home, he found Lindsay badly injured, but a conscious outside. And when

00:16:46.460 he found her, she told him that the children were in the basement. Um, he then discovered their

00:16:54.560 bodies, found them there, called 911, telling the dispatcher she killed the kids. And reportedly,

00:17:02.140 this was one of the most difficult parts of the trial. We don't have access to that 911 call.

00:17:08.840 It's not publicly available, but from the journalists who have reported on that,

00:17:12.700 that was just a gut-wrenching moment for those that were in the courtroom, especially the family,

00:17:19.620 but also, also the jury. Um, let's talk a little bit more about Patrick Clancy because, um, I've

00:17:26.500 seen a lot of questions about him and about, okay, how is it, how is it possible that he saw

00:17:32.180 all of this happening, all of this unfold, her psychiatric stay saying that she had voices in

00:17:38.260 her head saying explicitly just a month or so before this, that she felt like she wanted to

00:17:44.260 harm the children. Um, how, how is it possible that he saw all of this firsthand and then still

00:17:53.100 left his children alone with Lindsay? And I don't have the answer to that. I don't think anyone has

00:17:58.380 the answer to that, but because there is so much chatter and so much conversation about that

00:18:03.160 online, I think it's just worth looking into some of his testimony and looking into some of those

00:18:09.480 curiosities. Um, so he has been a central witness in the criminal trial in defense of Lindsay,

00:18:16.200 I should say in January of 2023 on an online fundraiser for medical bills, funeral services,

00:18:22.380 and legal help. Patrick wrote that he had forgiven Lindsay. He said this, I want to ask all of you

00:18:27.680 that you find a deep within yourselves to forgive Lindsay. As I have the real Lindsay was generously

00:18:32.700 loving and caring towards everyone. Me, our kids, family, friend, family, friends, and her patients

00:18:38.520 because she was an L&D nurse. The very fibers of her soul are loving. All I wish for her now

00:18:43.540 is that she can somehow find peace. He did an interview with the New Yorker in 2024

00:18:49.820 where he said, I wasn't married to a monster. I was married to someone who got sick.

00:18:54.800 The New Yorker interview also noted that he did not contact Lindsay after the killings at all.

00:19:01.200 So he just left. He says that this was a personal decision. He wasn't legally prohibited

00:19:05.240 from separating from her, but he got away from her, uh, during this time after the killings.

00:19:12.440 I can't only imagine how traumatizing it was for him to find the, um, the dead bodies of his

00:19:19.660 children in the basement. So I don't have any commentary on his separation from her during

00:19:24.460 this time. He divorced Lindsay, and then he remarried in July of 2026, shortly before the

00:19:31.380 trial. During the court hearings, he has described Lindsay as a loving, attentive mother before her

00:19:36.700 mental health deteriorated after the birth of their youngest. He says she was very dedicated.

00:19:41.520 She did everything. She started reading the books at them books at three months. She made up songs

00:19:45.760 for them. According to Patrick, their marriage was good. In interviews with police shortly after

00:19:50.060 the murders, he stated that he and Lindsay had an amazing marriage, got along great. They tell

00:19:54.480 each other that they love each other multiple times a day. That said, according to Lindsay's

00:20:00.440 diary. They had been growing apart during her psychological problems. Also something that

00:20:04.760 sometimes happens in postpartum. Glancy wrote that she felt horribly guilty about her marriage,

00:20:10.000 stating, I want to connect with Pat again. I know he needs it. I need it. According to Patrick's

00:20:15.040 testimony in the trial, he was aware of her medical treatment and monitored her condition.

00:20:20.300 Patrick testified that after her hospitalization, he would check in with her every morning. I would

00:20:24.420 ask her in the morning how she's feeling, how she slept. He also helped her obtain emergency

00:20:29.180 psychiatric care. We said that she did all those ER visits. He helped her go to the ER. According

00:20:35.520 to his testimony, Lindsay was reluctant to be admitted to inpatient treatment after two emergency

00:20:39.860 department visits. According to CT Insider on January 1st, I assume that's 2023. She was scared

00:20:47.940 and didn't want to go to inpatient treatment. But after two trips to the emergency department,

00:20:51.760 I told her she had to go. He was aware of her extensive medication regimen. Patrick testified

00:20:57.760 that she was receiving prescriptions from multiple providers and explained to jurors why many pill

00:21:02.920 bottles were partially full because dosages were frequently changed. Now, reportedly these were

00:21:09.340 multiple providers that were not always in communication with each other. These were

00:21:13.740 various experts. These were different doctors who were prescribing all kinds of psychotic

00:21:21.600 medications or medications to try to treat things like depression and anxiety,

00:21:26.340 who were not always communicating. Now it is a little bit difficult for me to understand how

00:21:32.160 that's possible. I do know how hard it is to be a patient, especially a patient. If you're like her

00:21:37.760 and you're really suffering, you're already not mentally well. The doctors don't interact. They

00:21:43.200 don't call each other. They don't make it easy. It's the patient's job to kind of advocate for

00:21:47.440 herself, but they always ask what other medications are you on? And they are supposed to know this

00:21:53.820 interacts with that, or you need to get off of that to do that. And there should be some

00:21:58.120 communication, especially in a dire situation like this. I don't know the answer for why that

00:22:04.080 was not happening. I don't know the answer for why her husband didn't say, Hey, Hey doc. Okay.

00:22:10.340 She's already on these medications. Is that okay? Or maybe he did. And for the doctors,

00:22:14.720 it was a dereliction of duty. We'll get into all of the medications that she was taking and their

00:22:19.180 interactions and their possible symptoms in just a second. So let's get a little bit more into

00:22:25.880 the prosecutions, the prosecutions argument. What we're seeing mostly is look, this was a woman who

00:22:33.240 suffered from psychosis. She had all of these different issues. Some people say her husband

00:22:37.800 failed her. Some people say the doctors failed her, but the prosecution, they assert she knew

00:22:43.680 what she was doing and she made a choice and justice is prison. So we're going to take a look

00:22:49.660 at those medications. What was she on? Who prescribed them to her? What were the interactions

00:22:57.040 that could have caused a psychological firestorm in her brain that may have compelled her if the

00:23:04.400 defense's argument is to be held up and is to be believed to commit this murderous act against her 0.92

00:23:12.160 children. And so we'll get into that as well as some of the postpartum recovery that she had to 0.99

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00:25:18.840 and recovery. Like what was her postpartum like that seemed to kickstart this large concoction,

00:25:25.720 this long list of medications. According to Patrick's testimony, Lindsey's first two deliveries 0.99

00:25:31.760 were actually the most difficult, so not the third one. He didn't specifically say how the

00:25:36.620 babies were delivered, but the details seem to be consistent, not with a C-section, with a vaginal

00:25:42.400 birth. Of course, it's not just C-sections that can be traumatic. All different kinds of births

00:25:46.740 can be traumatic. So it sounds like they were tough. With Cora's delivery in 2017, he said

00:25:52.180 there was a lot of tearing and Lindsay bled a lot. Lindsay only had 10 to 11 weeks of maternity

00:25:58.140 leave. He said, which was what she was really anxious about. She just really struggled with

00:26:03.540 the date of going back to work. And that in itself is tragic. I've had both kinds of birth,

00:26:09.740 both kinds of births come with their difficulties, come with their physical pain and physical

00:26:15.080 recovery. And that really affects your mind. It just affects your mindset. And it was actually

00:26:21.620 recovering from my C-sections and recovering from birth that gave me so much sympathy for

00:26:27.240 those who deal with chronic physical pain because it really affects just how you see

00:26:34.220 the world and just your willingness to go about your day, the energy level you have,

00:26:41.740 even if it's not specifically correlated to those things, it really just affects your

00:26:46.340 mentality. And just like a small example of that. Okay. So you're in a lot of pain when you're in

00:26:52.480 labor. If you've ever been in pain and then you get an epidural, you are a new person. Okay. So

00:26:59.680 you go for seven centimeters or however long, that's how long it was for me. And I was like

00:27:05.280 in the zone. Okay. I am so mentally focused and I'm in so much pain breathing through those

00:27:11.320 contractions and you just like, you are so consumed with that. It's all that you can think

00:27:16.340 about really is your pain and getting through that. You get an epidural, you're cracking jokes.

00:27:20.780 You're like, you're a totally new person because the pain is gone. I think people discount how

00:27:25.580 much physical pain can have an effect on your mental health. I have, I don't know if that's

00:27:30.460 what was going on with Lindsay Clancy here. I just want people to understand like postpartum

00:27:35.240 is a lot. It's a lot, especially your first birth. And then the 2019 delivery he says was pretty

00:27:40.680 traumatic. He was in a breached position. It caused significant bruising and tearing. Um,

00:27:46.900 adding that this recovery was even more difficult than the first. He said her mental state was fine

00:27:51.820 until she had to go back to work. She received 18 weeks of leave that time. So there's just a lot

00:27:58.800 going on emotionally and physically in her life. According to Patrick Callen's 2022 birth was

00:28:04.360 actually relatively quick. There wasn't as much physical trauma, which is interesting. Did it

00:28:09.900 compound over time. Maybe, I don't even know, maybe it had zero effect. The first two births,

00:28:14.980 maybe they had zero effect whatsoever on her mental state after 2022, after she gave birth.

00:28:21.280 I'm not trying to make the case that there should be excuses at all, but we can just be able to say

00:28:28.340 independently, those first two births probably had a big effect on her mental health. We don't know

00:28:34.120 If that had any kind of causal effect in what happened after that, especially since Callan's

00:28:40.000 birth, the, her third baby's birth seemed to be easier than the other two, but she certainly was

00:28:46.260 no stranger to difficulty when it came to those, um, postpartum that postpartum trauma that she

00:28:52.440 had to work through in the anxieties. Now, in light of all of that, she was on medications.

00:28:58.320 She was on medication specifically for depression and anxiety, whether or not she had been on

00:29:03.900 pain medication previously for the tearing. I'm not sure. I don't really know pre 2022 what led

00:29:12.820 to all of these, all of these medications being prescribed. But what we know for sure is that at

00:29:19.780 the time of her children's murder, she had been prescribed 13 different drugs. Clancy received

00:29:26.500 prescriptions for these 13 drugs from six different healthcare practitioners. We had two

00:29:33.120 doctors, one registered, two, one registered nurse, one nurse practitioner, um, and then

00:29:38.880 another doctor. So three different doctors and two nurse practitioners. So here are the 13 drugs.

00:29:46.060 Um, and I'm going to try my best to pronounce these correctly. There's, um, a me triptaline.

00:29:53.140 This is an SSRI. SSRI stands for selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor. So it is supposed

00:30:00.360 to boost the hormone serotonin in your brain to make you more emotionally even keel as we'll get

00:30:06.800 into. The problem with that is that the science doesn't actually prove that when someone is

00:30:11.460 struggling with anxiety or depression, that it's a serotonin problem. And there's no test that we do

00:30:17.360 to see whether or not someone's serotonin level is too low or too high. But that's the theory that

00:30:24.860 these SSRIs are supposed to help someone be more emotionally even keel. So that's one that she was

00:30:30.340 on. Um, buciferone is used to treat anxiety. This is another drug. It's not an SSRI, but it's also

00:30:37.820 supposed to affect serotonin and dopamine. Now the relevant side effects of amitriptyline is

00:30:45.900 suicide or self-harm, worsening mood feelings of depression. Okay. The relevant side effect

00:30:52.340 of buciferone, anxiety, nervousness. So these, this SSRI and this other so-called anti-anxiety

00:30:59.640 medication, it affects serotonin. And one of the side effects could actually be worsening anxiety

00:31:04.900 and worsening suicidal thoughts. She was also on clonazepam. This is, um, okay. So many big

00:31:13.420 chemical words have been benzodiazepine, which is a central nervous system depressant. It's

00:31:19.040 prescribed to treat seizures, panic disorder. It's like Xanax or Valium, and they're supposed

00:31:23.680 to slow down activity in your brain. Now, relevant side effect to something like Xanax or Valium is

00:31:30.780 a thought of suicide or self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression. And then you have

00:31:36.800 diazepam. She was also on this. This is also in that same category like Xanax or Valium. It's

00:31:44.740 prescribed to treat anxiety and seizures, relevant side effects, thoughts of suicide,

00:31:50.800 self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression. Another thing about this particular drug is that

00:31:56.480 it can interact with amitriptyline, which she was also taking, causing altered consciousness

00:32:02.440 and confusion. Okay. And then we have, uh, this is Prozac. This is the, uh, category name is

00:32:10.600 flu, fluozatine, fluozatine, goodness. So many of these words. This is also an SSRI prescribed to

00:32:18.000 treat depression, OCD, eating disorders, relevant side effects here. This is all according to the

00:32:23.540 Cleveland Clinic. Thoughts of suicide or self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression,

00:32:28.660 hydroxyzine. This is an antihistamine prescribed to treat allergies and anxiety, relevant side

00:32:34.340 effects, drowsiness, hallucinations, confusion. She was also on Lamictal, an anti-epileptic and

00:32:42.980 mood stabilizer prescribed to treat bipolar disorder. Relevant side effects, thoughts of

00:32:48.560 suicide and self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression. You have lorazepam. This is also

00:32:55.060 in the same category as something like Xanax or Valium, prescribed to treat anxiety. Relevant

00:32:59.880 side effects, thoughts of suicide and self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression. Warnings,

00:33:05.780 this particular drug may amplify the effects of amitriptyline, which again, Clancy was prescribed,

00:33:12.540 and other drugs in this category like Klonopin. You've probably heard of that as well. Another

00:33:19.340 drug she was on was mirtazapine, and this is prescribed to treat depression. It can also

00:33:26.300 interact with something like Xanax or Valium, relevant side effects, thoughts of suicide or

00:33:31.560 self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression. She was on quetiapine, an antipsychotic prescribed

00:33:38.440 for schizophrenia or supposedly antipsychotic. I don't even like using these things because they're

00:33:43.180 not really anti any of that. They're just changing your serotonin levels. Prescribed for schizophrenia

00:33:48.400 and bipolar disorder. It interacts again with things like Prozac, which she was on, relevant

00:33:54.300 side effects, thoughts of suicide and self-harm, worsening mood, feelings of depression.

00:33:58.660 She was also on another SSRI called Zoloft, prescribed to treat depression. That can lead

00:34:06.380 to thoughts of suicide, self-harm, worsening mood. Trazodone is an S-A-R-I, serotonin antagonist

00:34:14.240 and reuptake inhibitor. It's also supposed to increase serotonin, but in a different way.

00:34:18.720 It's prescribed to treat insomnia, schizophrenia. What can it cause? Thoughts of suicide and self-harm,

00:34:23.820 worsening moods, feeling of depression. Also on Ambien, a sedative prescribed to treat

00:34:29.360 insomnia, relevant side effects, mood and behavior changes, anxiety, nervousness, confusion,

00:34:34.440 hallucinations, irritability, hostility, thoughts of suicide or self-harm, worsening mood,

00:34:39.680 feelings of depression. So apparently, reportedly, she was on all of these drugs at the same time,

00:34:47.480 six different providers. And her husband, again, has said like, what's the deal? Why was she on

00:34:52.840 all of these at the same time. We didn't know they interacted. I just think that there should

00:34:56.860 have been on someone's part here, more intervention, more questions asked more like,

00:35:04.320 Hey, she's getting worse and worse and worse. She's hearing voices. We got to stop. We got to

00:35:09.720 stop. We got to figure out what exactly is going on here. While I do understand how difficult it

00:35:15.660 is to be a patient. It's hard for me to understand how all of this went on for so long and how it

00:35:22.620 seems like none of these providers spoke up and said, okay, let me take a look at this. This is

00:35:27.560 not, this is not right. Last year, we interviewed a doctor, Dr. Joseph Witt-Doring. He's a board

00:35:34.700 certified psychiatrist. He also worked as a medical officer at the FDA's division of psychiatry

00:35:39.600 products. Um, and he argued that one of the problems with all of these drugs, all of these

00:35:45.860 so-called antidepressants, SSRIs, is that studies show the premise. Studies show that the premise

00:35:53.220 they are based on is actually unsupported by evidence. There was a major 2022 review in

00:35:58.780 molecular psychiatry that found no solid evidence that people with depression have lower serotonin

00:36:03.940 levels. And this doctor that I had on my show points out that there is still no blood test.

00:36:08.660 There's no brain scan that can objectively diagnose depression. It is a symptom checklist.

00:36:14.040 And so you are giving someone a medication that changes their serotonin.

00:36:17.020 You have no idea if serotonin is the problem.

00:36:20.080 And so if you are putting someone on something that is affecting their serotonin, which is

00:36:24.280 an important hormone in mood regulation, but that was never the problem in the first place,

00:36:29.220 you're just giving them the side effects.

00:36:31.060 You're just giving them the cons and none of the pros from emotional regulation.

00:36:36.020 Now I know what people say.

00:36:37.480 I was on an SSRI.

00:36:38.860 It saved my life.

00:36:40.140 It is possible that a mood regulator or a medication that basically blunts your emotional

00:36:47.600 response to things and shortens the spectrum of emotions that you can feel, it is possible

00:36:53.940 that that can bring someone back from the brink of dark depression.

00:36:59.020 It doesn't make them happy.

00:37:00.600 It doesn't treat their depression.

00:37:02.080 It doesn't ever get to the underlying cause, but it is possible that an SSRI can have that

00:37:09.240 effect, but it can also have all of these other effects, especially if the root cause is never

00:37:15.020 addressed. 17% of Americans are now on psychiatric medication. Millions unknowingly are at risk of

00:37:22.460 drug-induced brain damage while being told that their drugs are safe. According to this doctor

00:37:27.400 with Doreen, patients who stop psychiatric drugs even gradually can suffer protracted withdrawal

00:37:32.740 that feels like permanent brain damage. And so that's one of the things that typically they are

00:37:38.100 not told when they are put on these medications. It can cause neurotoxicity. It can also trigger

00:37:45.400 a condition called, um, uh, tardive, uh, tardive dysphoria that includes apathy, dissociation,

00:37:53.320 chronic fatigue, agitation. He notes that multiple people have taken their life because the symptoms

00:37:59.800 from this can be so extreme. It can drive people to suicide. Um, Zoloft, very popular women are

00:38:07.920 two and a half times more likely to be taking an SSRI like Zoloft than men, especially women

00:38:14.660 in their 30s, 40s, and 50s. So what we are seeing in this case with Lindsay Clancy is clearly that

00:38:22.560 it wasn't just the psychosis, but it was also this cocktail of medications that clearly had

00:38:27.680 an effect on her mental state. Again, that's not even making a judgment about whether or not she

00:38:32.940 should be legally liable for the death of her children. That's just stating what is most likely

00:38:38.620 to be true, that at the very least, these medications weren't helping. We also last

00:38:43.360 year had another doctor on Dr. Adam Jurato. Uh, he warned of the, uh, many dangers of being

00:38:50.540 prescribed SSRI specifically during pregnancy, but it also applies to that postpartum period.

00:38:56.900 He is a maternal fetal medicine specialist. He is the chief of maternal fetal medicine

00:39:02.520 at Metro West Medical Center. He has called for stronger FDA warnings for SSRIs, especially for

00:39:09.360 pregnant mothers. He said, patients regularly tell me that essentially the only counseling

00:39:13.960 they received is that SSRIs don't affect the baby. They don't cause complications. They don't

00:39:18.080 affect the breast milk. He says that's not accurate. SSRIs can be very difficult to get off

00:39:23.040 of. So the time to think about these things is long before pregnancy. He has highlighted how

00:39:29.060 SSRIs are actually pushed on mothers, both before pregnancy, during pregnancy, and after,

00:39:34.940 even though they can alter things like your own brain function, but also fetal brain development.

00:39:41.100 Prenatal exposure can lead to all kinds of things for the baby. And of course, postpartum,

00:39:46.220 it can make you feel even worse. And so all of this plays into the defense's argument

00:39:54.520 that says that, look, this was beyond her control. Someone dropped the ball here. It wasn't her.

00:40:02.340 She was trying to get the help that she wanted. That's what they're arguing. And she just couldn't.

00:40:07.320 This was beyond what she could handle. So here is the defense. Kevin Reddington making his case

00:40:14.560 saw one. More medications spiraling, continuing on down. Pat lived this and he will testify to

00:40:23.280 what they went through. At this point, at the end of November, around Thanksgiving,

00:40:27.820 she's reporting disassociation and confusion. They put her on Remeron. This is around Thanksgiving.

00:40:33.860 Things were so bad at this point that her mother and father came up from Connecticut

00:40:38.980 and live with them to take care of the kids to help because she was walking

00:40:44.500 around absolutely a zombie. This is a woman that did not get medication, did 1.00

00:40:55.540 not get the medical treatment that she so deserved. This is a woman that was

00:41:00.820 suffering from psychosis at the time that she went down to that basement.

00:41:08.980 so that's one side of this story that clearly i i would say that she was it was a disservice to

00:41:20.000 lindsey all of these people in her life who weren't willing to speak up against the doctors

00:41:26.660 apparently and say something is really wrong she needs to get off these medications now she did go

00:41:33.060 to the psychiatric hospital maybe that was the attempt maybe that was the attempt there but

00:41:38.240 long before that, what was going on with these providers and all of these people who were around

00:41:43.500 her who didn't stop to think like she's on all of these medications. Maybe this is making it worse.

00:41:51.220 And that is sadly our responsibility today. You have to speak up for yourself. In this case,

00:41:56.320 she probably wasn't able to. You have to speak up for the people in your life. We can't have

00:42:00.700 the white coat syndrome where we are intimidated by the experts anymore who say, trust the science.

00:42:05.060 You cannot do that. COVID proved to us that you can't just trust the science blindly. You can't

00:42:11.140 trust the FDA. You can't trust the CDC. You can't trust your doctor just because they have a few

00:42:16.900 extra letters behind their name. You have to be willing to do your own research. And people make

00:42:23.620 fun of that phrase, but what else are you supposed to do? Because this is what happens when you only

00:42:28.200 listen to your doctor. And by the way, this is what happens when you get the second, third,

00:42:32.300 fourth, fifth, and sixth opinion, and you still end up with a cocktail of drugs like this that

00:42:37.420 probably induced some kind of psychosis. So we're going to have to take it upon ourselves at some

00:42:44.140 point to make sure that what we are being prescribed is actually good for us and not

00:42:49.300 only listen to the people who claim to be experts. I'm thankful for the expertise of doctors.

00:42:55.380 I really am. I am not anti-medicine, but clearly it's not enough. Not enough.

00:43:01.200 Now we've got all of this, but then the prosecution still has an argument. The prosecution says they

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00:44:21.200 you have your, you have your point. And this is Allie paraphrasing here about everything that went

00:44:26.540 on. She, I don't think the prosecution is disputing that maybe she went through some hard times or

00:44:32.020 maybe she had all of these drugs in her system that were not helping. However, they argue that

00:44:38.880 the pattern of her behavior demonstrates intentionality and purpose and that she knew

00:44:46.020 she had enough clarity of mind to know what she was doing. The prosecution argues that the killings

00:44:51.360 were planned, that they were deliberate. They were actually not the product of a psychotic break.

00:44:56.280 They state that her actions showed deliberate premeditation, extreme atrocity or cruelty.

00:45:03.920 And they claimed that she had awareness of what she was doing.

00:45:08.220 There is the argument of prosecutor Jennifer Sprague.

00:45:13.180 She points out that Lindsay waited until Patrick left the house, actually before that told him to leave the house.

00:45:19.860 So she had preplanned even before Patrick had left the house, had him run two errands, the takeout and the medication. 0.99

00:45:26.280 use that window of time to kill the children one by one and then attempted suicide. They argue

00:45:33.320 that these actions show organization and purpose rather than an inability to appreciate reality at

00:45:40.480 all. NBC legal analyst Michael Coyne has said the prosecution will also likely argue that her

00:45:45.580 behavior after the killings demonstrates consciousness of guilt so that she tried to

00:45:50.780 take her own life, which they will argue shows, you know, what she did. Many people experience

00:45:57.160 severe mental illness without losing criminal responsibility. The prosecution will argue

00:46:02.100 the prosecution's argument does not hinge on whether she was sick or not, but rather whether

00:46:07.680 she meets the legal standard for lack of criminal responsibility. Um, according to court TV,

00:46:13.720 uh the prosecution opened up the trial that day by having medical witnesses doctor witnesses

00:46:22.840 talk about the awful injuries of her children um they focus on dr michael snyder who treated

00:46:32.180 cora that was her five-year-old and again trigger warning for this said the young girl was blue

00:46:38.100 She had bruising on her neck. She had blood coming out of her nose. They tried to revive 1.00

00:46:43.920 this little girl for 30 minutes, but emergency room doctors pronounced Cora dead again after

00:46:50.380 she had been strangled in front of her siblings. Supposedly, I don't know who died first with 0.81

00:46:55.600 these exercise bands. Medics flew Callen. This is the baby, the eight month old baby to Boston

00:47:01.820 Children's Hospital's emergency room after doctors were initially able to get his heart beating

00:47:06.200 again. He was cold on arrival. He was limp. He was not making any purposeful movements on his

00:47:12.220 own. His pupils were fixed and dilated, and he had ligature marks around his neck with some swelling

00:47:18.320 of the neck. A doctor said that Callan's brain had swelled to the point that it had overwhelmed

00:47:24.100 the capacity of the skull, was herniating through its base. The infant's heart began to beat on

00:47:29.720 its own. Um, but he was never able to recover. They removed him from life support days later,

00:47:37.840 doctors and nurses who treated Clancy said that she was unresponsive when she arrived to the

00:47:42.800 hospital, but she was breathing on her own and they intubated her. They had, she had to have a

00:47:48.700 blood transfusion. I don't see in this report what it was like treating the middle child who was

00:47:54.940 three years old. But what the prosecution is trying to show here is that these injuries they

00:48:00.740 believe are consistent with someone who had a plan and who didn't just lose control suddenly

00:48:08.660 and beat them to death or do something rash, but she had a weapon. She knew what she was going to

00:48:16.220 do and she did it. And this was again, months after she had had psychiatric, actual psychiatric

00:48:22.820 treatment in months after she had originally said that she was going to, or a month rather,

00:48:29.340 to harm the children. Prosecutors have filed a list with the court of 182 potential witnesses.

00:48:36.540 The defense's potential witness list contains 65 names, including Patrick, his parents,

00:48:41.580 Lindsey's parents, some of their friends and associates. Other than Patrick, the rest have

00:48:45.860 not testified yet. CVS pharmacy worker who testified that she had a normal interaction

00:48:51.060 with Lindsay Clancy hours before the children's death was called by the prosecution again to show

00:48:56.340 she wasn't in some psychiatric breakdown. Also called by the prosecution was a hostess from the

00:49:03.360 restaurant where the Clancy's ordered dinner on the evening of the children's deaths. She said it

00:49:07.740 was a totally normal interaction. So they will show, look, if she has the ability to compartmentalize

00:49:13.820 her mental health problems, she had the ability to not murder her kids. Several first responders,

00:49:19.440 police officers, firefighters, paramedics were all called by the prosecution just to show how

00:49:25.420 horrific these injuries were. And in their opinion, purposeful emergency physicians who

00:49:31.360 treated the children, as we just cited, and the providers involved with Lindsay Clancy's care

00:49:35.700 after her injuries, who, as we just read, said that she was unresponsive, but then that she was

00:49:41.040 very calm and was actually able to chronicle, um, everything that happened. So my opinion,

00:49:49.380 it's not cut and dry. It's not cut and dry. I think that the combination of psychotic, uh,

00:49:56.140 psychosis medications that she was on so-called antidepressants clearly had an effect on her

00:50:03.560 mental health. I don't think that that is disputed. I think she had some kind of very

00:50:09.320 deep mental issue. I think a lot of people in Lindsay's life failed her. I will say that I

00:50:15.300 cannot say 100% that that is the cause primary, secondary, tertiary cause of her killing her 0.84

00:50:24.680 children. I don't know. I don't know that. And even if it is a tertiary say cause of her killing

00:50:32.140 her children, does that mean that she shouldn't go to prison? Does that mean that she should not

00:50:37.960 get the punishment that other murderers get. As the prosecution argues, there are a lot of people

00:50:45.880 who are on a lot of different awful medications who go through a lot of awful things who don't

00:50:50.680 murder their children with exercise bands. There are a lot of people who are murderous,

00:50:57.780 who have some kind of mental health issue that was probably a cause of what they did,

00:51:02.460 who we still expect to go to prison. At the same time, if she was completely out of her mind,

00:51:10.840 completely powerless, completely taken over by these medications, I don't know whether or not

00:51:17.520 it's fair to hold her completely liable for this. Now, the possible outcomes here is one of the

00:51:23.320 outcomes is not that she walks free. She can't walk at all because she is also partly paralyzed,

00:51:29.340 but it's not that she's going to go free and live free. If the jury convicts Lindsay Clancy of

00:51:34.300 murder, she faces life imprisonment without the, without the possibility of parole. If the jury

00:51:40.040 finds that she lacked criminal responsibility because of mental illness, she would be found

00:51:44.380 not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility and committed to a state

00:51:48.260 psychiatric hospital rather than a prison with no maximum mandate subject to annual evaluation.

00:51:53.540 She could be committed for life, but she could also be released. She's not going to be released

00:51:58.860 right away, no matter what, but she could be released. I just want us to have a fair assessment

00:52:04.360 of this. I think, I think that both sides have their case to make. And I do want to remember

00:52:10.460 that the primary victims, no matter where you land on this, the primary victims are the kids.

00:52:14.720 Okay. The primary victims here are the children who were ruthlessly murdered,

00:52:20.140 whether or not their mother was in the right mind and should be held criminally liable.

00:52:25.820 that will be decided by the jury. But I don't want all of our focus to go to this woman. We

00:52:31.620 can have compassion for her, but the primary recipients of our compassion should be these

00:52:36.780 children who for sure did nothing wrong in this. And this is a tragedy. And whether or not this is

00:52:43.780 the driver of what she did, there is a lot to assess in the medical and mental health industry

00:52:49.540 that is actually inducing forms of psychosis and are making people in so many cases worse.

00:52:58.180 It is worth assessing every single drug that you are on that has any effect on your mind

00:53:05.220 at all. Christians need to be a lot more serious about that. It's not demonizing all medicine, 0.96

00:53:11.380 certainly not demonizing all doctors. The two people that I listed as experts who are against

00:53:16.620 these SSRIs are doctors. I think that medicine is very important. Expertise is very important.

00:53:22.960 But again, take control of your own health. You and your husband on the same page. Don't be afraid

00:53:30.060 to stick up for yourself. And if you do need help, if you need help, if you are feeling like

00:53:35.920 you are on the verge of harm or anything like that, if you are hearing voices, you need help

00:53:40.840 right now. You need people in your life, people in your church, people in your family. Don't worry

00:53:46.980 about being embarrassed. You need help right now. And husbands or wives, if either of you hear the

00:53:55.440 other one saying, hey, I need help, you take it dead seriously. And you do not leave your children

00:54:00.900 alone with someone who says that they are struggling in this way. That is not a judgment

00:54:04.740 on them, on them morally, but it is to say that you care about the safety of your children. I

00:54:10.980 think it's safe to say, and I'm sure he feels this way too, that Patrick Clancy shouldn't have left

00:54:16.320 his kids alone with his wife. That is, that is true. There's a lot that happened here that should

00:54:21.260 not have happened that I think could have been prevented. Um, what an awful, awful tragedy. So

00:54:28.240 let me know what you think. There are a lot of different aspects of this. Let me know, um, in

00:54:32.240 the comments, uh, in the messages, what you think about this. We will see as the trial continues to

00:54:36.760 unfold, what the jury decides. And as more witnesses come to the table, I'm sure that will

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00:56:05.500 Okay. I just got to talk about, speaking of mental health, I got to talk about this video

00:56:10.740 that was going around. The glorification of mental disorders is really playing a big part

00:56:16.280 in all of this, is playing a big part of glorifying SSRIs, even when they are not necessary.

00:56:22.440 and using a mental health disorder. I wouldn't even call this what we're about to watch necessarily

00:56:28.500 mental health disorder, but some kind of diagnosis as an intersectionality identity point to make you

00:56:36.200 seem more oppressed and therefore more interesting than you are. So this video went viral on X. I

00:56:43.320 think it was originally on Tik TOK. This woman, she looks to be an adolescent, I don't know,

00:56:47.920 maybe twenties, having an autism reveal party where she cuts a cake to see if she has autism 0.96

00:56:53.180 or ADHD. Thought three.

00:57:17.920 okay i just find that extremely odd i've worked with a lot of people and kids and adults with

00:57:26.860 special needs kids on all different levels of the autism spectrum these are really wonderful

00:57:33.460 and interesting human beings that should be treated as people of full value full worth

00:57:40.940 with respect, image bearers of God, it is also not this. It's also not this. This person,

00:57:50.000 anyone who has been around someone, especially an adult with autism, with actual diagnosed

00:57:54.640 autism, who has a difficult time in social settings, who gets easily overstimulated,

00:58:00.280 easily nervous with loud sounds, with lots of people yelling at them and yelling in their

00:58:05.240 faces has a really difficult time. In many cases, I know it's not all one, um, there are various

00:58:12.380 diagnoses here, difficult time in social settings. You can look at this and be like, this is not that

00:58:19.360 this, this is not that I have been all around all different levels of autism. And this is not that.

00:58:27.340 So when you have people who are just your normal everyday people who maybe feel a little bit

00:58:32.360 awkward or like, I don't know, they can't make eye contact with someone because they weren't

00:58:37.220 raised to make eye contact with someone who believe that they are autistic. And by the way,

00:58:41.980 many of these assessments are self-assessments, by the way, um, celebrating in a room with all

00:58:48.480 of their many, many friends. You just have to wonder what's going on here. Why are people

00:58:53.620 looking for attention in this way? Um, it's not a one-off this kind of weird video for context

00:59:00.280 between 2011, 2022, autism diagnoses among us adults rose, um, or between 26 to 34 ages

00:59:08.520 increased by approximately 450%. Okay. By the way, you don't develop autism. You are born with

00:59:15.720 autism. You can even see signs of kids who are truly autistic when they are baby babies.

00:59:21.260 And you might not realize it until maybe you have another child and you compare the two and you're

00:59:26.100 like, oh, that's why like they had that reaction to the vacuum. Like that's why they had that

00:59:32.020 fixation. Okay. That starts to make sense. Again, it's not all of the same, but there's not like

00:59:37.380 rapid onset autism or ADHD or things like that. I think that all different kinds of social

00:59:44.320 awkwardness can develop when you are not put in the proper social settings. And when you're put

00:59:48.640 in front of a screen all day, that does not mean that you are autistic. And again, I think that

00:59:54.280 this is something that is odd to have like a reveal party for. Researchers note that part

01:00:00.340 of the increase reflects broader diagnostic criteria, greater recognition. That is true,

01:00:05.240 but it also seems like this is partly a social contagion. A Washington Post analysis of nearly

01:00:10.760 900 US TikTok users found that TikTok's algorithm promotes mental health content

01:00:16.600 more aggressively than any other topics. And you might say, well, yeah, mental health,

01:00:20.800 that's a good thing. No, no, no. It's not always saying, hey, you should get better. It's here's 1.00

01:00:25.120 your list of medications. Here's your list of diagnoses. Let me, this random TikToker,

01:00:29.980 diagnose you. There are also hashtag super popular antidepressants has accumulated over 1.3

01:00:38.680 billion views on TikTok. Hashtag Lexapro, the popularity of that hashtag, according to the

01:00:47.840 Wall Street Journal tripled between 2022 and 2025. You've also heard of clinical psychologists

01:00:54.720 talking about patients coming in that say that they have Tourette's, that say that they have

01:00:59.240 different illnesses or different tics that they have because they actually learned them on TikTok,

01:01:05.540 not because they developed them, which I really think is trivializing a sickness that some people

01:01:11.900 truly have that they are suffering from, again, in order just to get attention. So we have this

01:01:17.760 over-medicalized world. And in some cases, the over-medication and the over-diagnosis is actually

01:01:24.460 being glamorized. It is now a vessel through which you can get attention and sympathy. And,

01:01:30.820 you know, I think it all started back, you know, in the millennial day, MySpace, Facebook,

01:01:36.540 where everything became so personalized. Even the away messages on AIM, everything became about how

01:01:43.880 unique you were. Like, what could you say that perfectly represents the uniqueness of who you

01:01:48.960 are? What Disney princess are you? What Lizzie McGuire character are you? You have these dolls

01:01:54.840 that are supposed to look exactly like you that you can buy. And individually, none of these

01:01:59.640 things may be bad or unhealthy, but when they accumulate in someone's life, you start to get

01:02:05.240 the idea that I am special, that I am the most important. You start to get main character

01:02:13.720 syndrome. And when you start to lose attention, when you start to lose uniqueness, especially if

01:02:19.900 you are like a straight white person today, well, then you got to find another way to get that

01:02:26.300 attention. And you got to find another way to be special and to be different. Is that the case in

01:02:33.460 all of these diagnoses that have increased over the years? No, but I certainly think there is a

01:02:37.960 social contagion that is being induced by videos like this. Who doesn't like rainbows and cakes

01:02:44.500 and to be cheered on? And if you find a way to do that by taking Lexapro or being diagnosed with

01:02:50.180 ADHD, why not do it? Again, when basically you have to become your own advocate and your own

01:02:57.660 doctor, because doctors in some cases don't take the professional role seriously, this is what we

01:03:02.640 get. And it's a problem. And that is why Maha took root. That's part of why. And that is why

01:03:09.060 just in general, people have to take more seriously actual health, which is being integrated

01:03:14.900 spiritually, emotionally, mentally, and physically, because this body, this mind,

01:03:20.080 the soul that God has given us are all ours to steward. Sometimes that means medication.

01:03:26.120 Sometimes that means an actual diagnosis. Other times it means being confident in who we are in

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01:04:41.060 pitter patter, just because I haven't seen Hillary Clinton's face in a while. So let's play that. 1.00

01:04:54.040 Speaking of psychology and pop psychology, I want to say something that I said on Instagram

01:05:00.620 because a lot of people are getting their, not even just diagnoses, but even getting their like

01:05:06.580 lack of success diagnoses, like why aren't you further along in life diagnoses from Instagram

01:05:12.580 and TikTok. And one of the reasons that pop psychologists on social media tell us that

01:05:17.620 we're not doing as well as we could, or that we're not as happy as we could is something called

01:05:22.960 imposter syndrome. Some people say you have imposter syndrome. And I hear this a lot. And

01:05:29.060 I've thought about this and I can relate to it. You walk into a room, you are totally qualified

01:05:33.200 to be there, but you feel like you're not. You have this nagging suspicion that you shouldn't

01:05:36.440 be there. But I've noticed that people use that term about any feeling of mediocrity that you

01:05:42.360 might have when in fact it could just be that you were actually mediocre in that situation

01:05:48.640 because we've all been there. Not every feeling of insecurity is imposter syndrome. I just want

01:05:54.600 to say that not every feeling that you are inadequate or that you are incompetent or that

01:05:58.620 you don't belong is imposter syndrome. You might have those nagging feelings because in this

01:06:03.900 situation you are inadequate and that you don't belong. We have all been there, by the way. I

01:06:09.440 promise if you are 22 years old, you have no experience. You are walking into a job and you're

01:06:13.580 like, I got a lot to learn. I don't have what it takes yet. That's not imposter syndrome. That's

01:06:17.880 you hearing something that is true in your brain that you don't have what it takes yet.

01:06:22.280 That doesn't mean that you'll never have what it takes. That means that you need to work harder

01:06:26.200 because I think that when we listen to all these pop psychologists, you can tell that I think so

01:06:31.620 much of psychology and psychiatry has just gone awry in kind of little ways like this and then

01:06:36.800 in big ways that we talked about in the beginning. When you dispel or minimize all of your feelings

01:06:43.340 of insecurity as imposter syndrome, then you forego opportunities to grow so that you can

01:06:49.520 one day be confident in what you bring to the table. Sometimes the problem is not a lack of

01:06:54.040 self-esteem. That's what women hear over and over again, that it's all a problem of a lack of self 0.98

01:06:57.840 love, a lack of self-esteem. Sometimes you actually don't have what it takes. Sometimes you are

01:07:03.560 actually less capable than you want to be or you need to be. Sometimes you feel insecure because

01:07:11.980 you should be insecure in this particular moment. Are there also times that Satan, the accuser,

01:07:16.620 tells you that you don't belong somewhere, tells you that you don't have what it takes when in

01:07:21.120 fact you do? Yeah, of course that's true. But it's worth assessing for a second if we are having

01:07:27.920 those suspicions because they're actually grounded in something real. I think actually when I look

01:07:35.420 around, it's not a problem of imposter syndrome that the world has. It's a problem of like you

01:07:40.720 don't have imposter realization. Maybe you have feelings of being an imposter because you're an

01:07:44.900 imposter. Like maybe that's, maybe that's the problem. Maybe you have too many imposters and

01:07:49.720 people who think too highly of ourselves. The problem so rarely today is that we don't think

01:07:54.380 highly enough of ourselves. So something to consider. I think a little self-honesty would

01:07:59.040 all put us in a better place and make all of us a lot more fulfilled. All right. That's all I got

01:08:06.960 to do today. That's all I got. I know it's a long, full episode. Christians need to take over

01:08:13.480 psychiatry and psychology. It's got problems. All right. We'll be back on Friday with an 1.00

01:08:18.720 encouraging testimony from a D transitioner. See you guys then.

01:08:36.960 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 05, 2026

Ep 1380 ｜ Lindsay Clancy Trial： Psychotic Victim or Ruthless Murderer？

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