00:06:28.760And back then, Ayaan Hirsi Ali also was not really, I think, a believer in anything, but had left Islam and talked about the oppression of Islam.
00:06:37.380So you saying that she was reading that book and that probably influenced a lot of what she believed paired with your dad not being a super ardent Muslim, all of that kind of makes sense.
00:06:49.520But then you feel like, OK, well, the rug has been pulled out from under me.0.93
00:06:53.920I want to believe in this. I still, you know, want to believe in this community that I have
00:06:59.800and this power that's bigger than me, that my studies mean something. And you are of what age
00:07:05.640at this time? You said really young, right? Like 10 or 11, 10 or 11, but old enough to really,
00:07:13.620that's kind of when we all start grappling with some bigger, more existential questions.0.58
00:07:17.780So you're going through the Quran, you're trying to finish it for that big celebration. And your parents are generally supportive of this. It sounds like at this point, they're kind of like, okay, whatever you want to do. So as you continue on that journey, what happens? Do you become a super passionate Muslim and evangelist for Islam?
00:07:40.960yeah so um i continued to try and be as good of a muslim as i could be um i never was like one of
00:07:50.920those people who you know tried to bring people to islam like or give dawah as they say but i you
00:07:57.460know tried to adhere to the five daily prayers i continued to go to islamic studies classes i
00:08:02.800continued to you know study the religion um but it did get harder as i got older you know navigating
00:08:10.600middle school and then high school and then not being held accountable like not having anyone to
00:08:17.000hold you accountable to pray on time like all the five daily prayers so you know naturally i did
00:08:24.760kind of start to drift away from praying um and then you know as i as i got older certain things
00:08:31.800started making less sense to me like why do i have to pray at um very specific times a day in a
00:08:37.380language that I don't even speak nor do I understand and it's very ritualistic as well
00:08:43.580like you're repeating the same movements over and over you're saying the same words over and over
00:08:49.060it felt very mechanical and then not only that sometimes I would be worried if I missed a
00:08:56.000certain step if my prayer was no longer valid and it would just kind of like get me out of like
00:09:02.360you know that connection with god like all of that together the fact that i don't know what i'm saying
00:09:08.460um that it's so mechanical and you know the the fear of making any mistakes because if you do
00:09:17.020miss a step or you you know you know do something wrong then it's not valid um all that made me just
00:09:25.380feel like far away from god it made me feel not good enough um there's also like the concept of
00:09:30.980wudu where right before you pray um you have to uh purify yourself so like you wash the right hand
00:09:37.640three times and the left hand three times and you know you go into like rinse your mouth three times
00:09:42.480and then like your nose and then you you know you do all the steps and then you end with uh
00:09:47.060washing your feet so if you miss if you um miss a step of that your prayer is not valid
00:09:53.880if you like do something to invalidate your wudu like let's say like you pass gas
00:09:59.700then you have to do it all over again or else you can't pray like it's just like so ritualistic
00:10:06.080it just felt like so many barriers it didn't feel like a natural connection or relationship with god
00:10:12.660um it felt like i'm just going through the motions so that was the first thing that kind of
00:10:18.260started to like shake my faith in a way like um when i started to really think about those things
00:10:26.240and then i started coming across certain hadiths so i did come across the aisha hadith where you
00:10:33.580know she said that she was six years old when she married muhammad and she was nine when the
00:10:38.940marriage was consummated for just and for just those who don't know a hadith is what a story a
00:10:45.660passage a verse from the quran uh yeah a hadith is actually it's it's separate from the quran
00:10:52.620it's a collection of narrations from the prophet so the quran is like the verbatim speech of allah
00:10:59.220is what they believe like the verbatim speech of god and then the hadiths are everything that
00:11:03.800the prophet uh said to do the things he did himself um so yeah okay quick pause to tell
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00:12:26.740purchase. adelnaturalcosmetics.com, code Allie. So you were about 13 at this point that you
00:12:39.120learned about Aisha. So up to that point, even though you'd be going to Sunday school and you're
00:12:43.000learning the Quran and Arabic and all of that, you didn't really know about this part of Muhammad's
00:12:48.320origin story. Yeah. So it hadn't, I don't remember how I came across it. It might've been on the
00:12:56.780internet. Um, but I, after I came across it, I decided to, you know, there was a, um, Imam,
00:13:04.560his name is Omar Suleiman. And I remember I, he had made a video where he was explaining her age
00:13:12.820and he said that back then women matured faster because it's a warmer environment it's a different
00:13:19.960time period and under higher stress women mature faster so this is so you know since I was 13 and
00:13:27.900he was like an educated imam I was like okay if he's saying that and he's saying there's no issue
00:13:33.480with it and you know he's saying it publicly with this much confidence I'm gonna I'm gonna believe
00:13:39.180that and so I did I do have different thoughts on that now and I don't think that that is the truth
00:13:44.180now with what I've learned but that was a that was another thing that was like okay then um
00:13:50.060there were just more hadiths so there was another hadith that states whoever removes the hair on
00:13:56.440their eyebrows like if women remove their hair from their eyebrows um their Muhammad curses them
00:14:02.940so you know I and then at that point when I heard about that hadith I was probably like 160.50
00:14:07.860So I was getting my eyebrows threaded. And so then this made me feel like really guilty. And it also just made me feel like frustrated and, you know, sort of like resentful because I'm like, why would God care so much to the point that we're cursed for doing that? It just feels like, you know, it just feels like too rigid, you know?0.92
00:14:29.060And like, they always, you're always told like, oh, Allah, he wants religion to be easy for you. Like, you know, religion is supposed to be easy, but it never felt easy. It felt like, you know, because I had also, you know, being in high school, I, you know, had different relationships or I was into, you know, different guys and they weren't Muslim.
00:14:52.000But like, according to the Koran, if you're if you're a guy, if you're a Muslim guy, you can marry Christian women and Jewish women.0.64
00:15:01.060But if you're a woman, you can only marry Muslim men.0.82
00:15:06.380So if I had, you know, fallen in love with someone who wasn't Muslim, I would know like in the back of my mind, I'd be like, well, I would be sinning.1.00
00:15:16.020My marriage wouldn't be valid if if I were to marry them and they weren't Muslim.0.91
00:15:21.220and marriage is considered like half of your deen like meaning when you get married you're0.98
00:15:26.200fulfilling like half of your religion basically it's like a huge thing so then that so then if I
00:15:32.760marry someone who's outside of Islam like if I happen to fall in love with someone who's not0.93
00:15:37.140Muslim and I marry them then the marriage is not valid and I'm not fulfilling like a huge part of
00:15:44.620my religion so all this it just it felt like you know restrictive and were you wearing a hijab at
00:15:54.300this point no um i never ended up wearing the hijab i did consider it when i was in middle
00:16:00.780school but i never ended up going through with it but um yeah yeah probably you know had something
00:16:10.000to do with the fact that it wasn't anything that your parents were enforcing. So you felt like you
00:16:16.560were trying to abide by Islam as much as possible. You really cared about this, the theology of it,
00:16:21.900but it's also sounds like at the same time, you weren't fully sold. You weren't wearing a hijab.
00:16:28.120You already had some questions. It felt a little bit too legalistic without having1.00
00:16:34.220a good reasoning for some of the rules. And so at what point did you say, you know what,
00:16:41.440I just don't think I can do this anymore? Yeah. So I would say after I graduated high
00:16:48.600school and went to college, it was like right around that time. And that's when I
00:16:53.680went into new age spirituality. So I basically considered myself no longer Muslim, but I always
00:17:04.040I felt like, you know, there could be some truth to it. And that if I was ever going to go to back0.99
00:17:08.940to an Abrahamic religion, it would be Islam. And I remember thinking, you know, like when I'm more0.98
00:17:14.760stable in life, then maybe I'll go back. But yeah, I, I fell into like new age spirituality. So
00:17:23.860I was really into astrology. I believed in like past lives, reincarnation,
00:17:29.700um chakra balancing meditation mindfulness um psychic readings tarot cards um all of that
00:17:38.940stuff and i and i did find a lot of peace in it um because you know there is a concept of like
00:17:45.060trying to find your higher self um you know doing shadow work to like heal the the parts of yourself
00:17:51.840that are like more broken or that need work so it was like you know you're going to be a better
00:17:58.300person you're trying to grow you know manifestation was also like a big thing and so I did find a lot
00:18:06.420of peace in it and it made a lot of sense to me like reincarnation at the time it felt logical in
00:18:12.000a way and so I you know I remember like there were periods where I was like maybe you know I can
00:18:24.580reconcile some of the new age beliefs with Islam like I remember thinking because astrology was
00:18:29.940probably like my favorite thing that I was into and like doing the whole birth chart reading and
00:18:34.320everything and um you know like horoscope and all that and I was like well maybe it's like
00:18:42.020you know God created the planets and like there is some truth into astrology so you know but
00:18:51.440ultimately, were you reading any particular books on this subject? Were they just kind of friends
00:18:58.080influencing you? How did you kind of go down that witchcraft new age rabbit hole?0.92
00:19:05.000Yes, it was mostly influencers online, you know, people who seemed very well versed in that kind
00:19:14.300of stuff, who like taught that kind of stuff. There weren't really, I didn't really find any
00:19:20.380books on it per se, but yeah, it was mostly just like guidance from other influencers.
00:19:26.280Okay. Gotcha. And, um, tell me a little bit more about when you first heard about Christianity.
00:19:34.280I'm sure that you had heard about it before, but obviously it hadn't been something that was
00:19:40.200appealing to you until you started to think about it differently. So tell us about that.
00:19:45.400yeah so i had heard of christianity growing up um you know i went to a school in the u.s
00:19:53.820predominantly like white school with a lot of christians um when i was in middle school actually
00:19:59.680one of my best friends was a devout christian and he um shared the gospel with me and he actually
00:20:08.740really wanted me to you know become a christian um and i was still a muslim at this point
00:20:14.640and so I remember he would have a bible study he like created a bible study after school he
00:20:20.560invited me to that there were there was one time where he actually you know it was like on the last
00:20:26.200day of school he him and the his other friends who would come they laid hands on me and they
00:20:31.240prayed for me to become a Christian and but I I just always because I had been taught like
00:20:37.720the bible was corrupted the Quran is the the final revelation it's the word of God
00:20:42.920I never took it seriously I never considered it so then after that um you know I like0.96
00:20:49.740coexisted with Christians I had a lot of Christian friends but because of the fact that I had been
00:20:55.920taught these things about the Bible and you know also like they they basically drill it into you
00:21:02.000that Allah has no son Jesus was just a prophet when somebody's telling you like oh um you know
00:21:08.940jesus loves you jesus is is god and he's the son of god like you already you already have those
00:21:14.900guards up in your mind as a muslim so you just like immediately dismiss it and then it's like0.96
00:21:18.740nobody at the time um really knew anything about the quran and how to like uh debunk the quran
00:21:28.420or you know a lot of christians don't even know enough about the bible to even really explain
00:21:33.260certain things about uh christianity or the trinity so it's i think it can be really hard
00:21:39.820for a lot of christians to reach muslims and i think nobody was really able to reach me
00:21:44.060so what so then when i was in new age the people that i was following that i was that i mentioned
00:21:50.840i noticed one by one they started to encounter jesus like in visions or they they had
00:21:58.960supernatural experiences and then they immediately denounced all the new age practice
00:22:04.520and they became a christian and so this like it started to happen more and more and i would see
00:22:13.680on my youtube on my uh like youtube home page um new age to christianity testimony
00:22:20.580and i i never like at that time i wasn't consuming any religious content like i was consuming new
00:22:26.920content but I found it like just very weird that you know so many kept popping up and I remember
00:22:32.820pressing not interested um at some point because like it was kind of making me uncomfortable
00:22:37.660because like I said I thought if I was ever going to go back to an Abrahamic religion it would be
00:22:43.440Islam so I wasn't understanding why like why is it Christianity why why is everybody seeing Jesus
00:22:51.520Cause I'm like, okay, if all these people are having encounters with Jesus, then, you0.85
00:22:57.640know, Christianity is true, but then I have to figure out was the Bible really corrupted.0.72
00:23:02.260And so I kind of just avoided it until I would say I was like, uh, I was 20, 23 or 24.0.93
00:23:12.420Finally, my favorite new age, um, creator, one of my favorite new age creators, she ends
00:23:20.360She had her own experiences with Jesus. She was on like some meditation retreat with Joe Dispenza and Jesus came to her when she was in a meditation.
00:23:31.960This happened to her like three different times. And he said, open your heart to me. And then she had, you know, experiences after that, like crazy experiences after that.
00:23:40.560So then after hearing her testimony, I was like, okay, I will give Christianity a chance.
00:23:46.580And that's kind of when I started to like be more open to it, but it still took some
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00:25:26.700Going to church, talking to Christian friends, reading your Bible. What was it?
00:25:30.480yeah so my plan was to go to um like basically go to different churches so I was actually at
00:25:39.940that time coincidentally I was moving to a new area where there were it was like in the south
00:25:46.140so there were more churches around and it's like a more Christian environment because where I was
00:25:51.540from there were Christians but it was also a very diverse area so um and it was also like a very
00:25:57.640liberal area so there's like a lot of atheists a lot of uh you know other religious groups so then
00:26:04.660I was going to go to an area where there's like a lot like way more churches so I was like okay
00:26:09.280this is a good opportunity to go to church and explore Christianity but then um it did take a
00:26:15.920year after that because with the move and the new environment and the new life changes I did
00:26:21.840fall into like a depression. So I, you know, like didn't, um, go to churches. I would like,
00:26:30.060didn't really want to leave the house. And then, um, but eventually after I, you know, moved past
00:26:37.080that, I did end up going to Bible studies and I did end up going to churches. And this was maybe
00:26:43.280like, um, six to nine months after I had moved. And so I, at first I really liked the Christian0.93
00:26:51.380environment I loved how loving everyone is like it was very different from the Muslim environments
00:26:56.560that I came up the most that I came from like the Muslim communities there was a lot of judgment
00:27:01.460in the Muslim communities I remember I once got like a super long text from my aunt when
00:27:08.420because she was saying that you know she's afraid I'm going to go down the wrong path because
00:27:12.880I was in a relationship and I guess she didn't really like the way I was dressing and you know
00:27:18.600she knew my mom was an atheist. And she told me that there was a wedding, there was a family
00:27:23.160wedding that I had not been able to attend. And she said that everybody at that wedding was talking
00:27:28.820about how there was a picture of me wearing shorts. And so I felt, you know, I just felt
00:27:33.700that kind of judgment. And then same with like, at the mosque, there's, it's like they look down
00:27:39.460on you and they, they basically view themselves as better than you. So what I enjoyed about the
00:27:45.120christian environment was you know they it was like genuine love not you know that judgment but
00:27:53.120still like it wasn't really clicking because i didn't really understand i think looking back i
00:27:59.580didn't really understand um the theology enough and so it wasn't really making sense um i i didn't
00:28:07.400really know what it meant when people said like oh jesus died for your sins i never knew what that
00:28:12.800meant like what does it mean to like die for your sins um i was like that sounds nice and it sounds
00:28:17.700nice that he like laid his life down for us because he loves us but i don't know what that means
00:28:21.180and that's because i didn't know about the whole um sacrificial system you know the um blood
00:28:27.900atonement system in the old testament that's literally the whole foundation of the of the0.89
00:28:33.160forgiveness of sins in the old testament because the quran you know completely removes all of that1.00
00:28:38.380so you're not taught that as a muslim you're not given that context so at first it wasn't really1.00
00:28:42.280making sense but then I um I went to a farmer's market one day and there was um there was a booth
00:28:51.560for an orthodox church and I'm I consider myself non-denominational but you know they were dressed
00:28:58.040in like um the attire like the priest was dressed in like the whole attire and I was like okay that
00:29:03.160looks interesting so I was like I'll go and like I'll see what what it's all about so then I go
00:29:08.560there I pick up a pamphlet and um I go back to my car and I'm reading it and the way that they
00:29:15.520are describing heaven and hell it it really resonates with me so basically heaven is being
00:29:22.960with God you know it's like the presence of God and then hell is separation from God because God is
00:29:29.000is um ultimate goodness so when you're separated from him it's going to feel like torture it's
00:29:35.280going to feel like hell and i was like that makes a lot of sense to me and honestly that's kind of
00:29:40.180like when i was into new age and like i i still believed in like a creator i did believe that
00:29:47.400you know god there was a you know the universe of the creator was the ultimate source of goodness
00:29:52.320so i was like okay you know what this makes sense i like this and then you know concept of theosis
00:29:57.780which um other denominations of christianity would call to say would call sanctification
00:30:03.880which is basically you know trying to become more christ-like or more um god-like you know
00:30:09.920trying to have like as in have more godly characteristics like the fruits of the spirit
00:30:15.320basically and so that resonated with me because coming from new age where it's like you're trying
00:30:20.520to find your higher self i was like okay that makes a lot of sense to me so then i was like
00:30:27.300okay you know what i then i was like you know what i'll sit down and i will read the bible for
00:30:33.440myself I had gone to some bible studies but um I had never really sat down and read the gospels
00:30:39.780for myself so I started with the gospel of John I read it I was very surprised because
00:30:46.560Jesus was making it very clear that he is the son of God and that he was that he is divine like as
00:30:52.840Muslims were taught that Christians are taking these verses out of context and so you know that's0.90
00:30:59.840what i had always thought like i never read the gospel so i thought like christians were just
00:31:04.300misinterpreting certain things he said i like to say that he was god but he never really said that
00:31:08.720but i was like when you're reading it like you're reading him say that like he is the bread of life
00:31:13.340for example or you know um he he gives eternal life and that he is the bread that came down
00:31:19.800from heaven you read certain things and it's like a mere prophet wouldn't say that he wouldn't
00:31:24.200say that the only way to the father is through him, that, you know, you need him for salvation.
00:31:30.540So I was like, okay, he is saying he's divine. So then the next step is to figure out was the
00:31:37.740Bible actually corrupted? Like I was taught, that's like the biggest talking point when it
00:31:42.360comes to Christianity that you're told about Islam. So, um, I was like, if the Bible was
00:31:49.280corrupted then it had to have been corrupted like so severely to the point where the entire
00:31:54.740new testament was changed because the whole like the whole gospel is surrounded around jesus and0.79
00:32:03.340his sonship and his divinity and his sacrifice all of which the quran denies so if it was really
00:32:12.060corrupted to say these things then it's at that point it's corrupted to entirely different book
00:32:16.640so it didn't take me that much research to realize and to learn that not only was the bible not
00:32:24.000corrupted but it's actually more well preserved than most ancient texts like if you were to look
00:32:29.620up which i've tried this if you were to google which ancient text has the best preservation
00:32:35.140what will come up is the new testament or the dead sea scrolls which contains
00:32:40.000the Torah which is like the in the Old Testament so I was like okay wow so it there's no there's
00:32:50.160really no evidence of corruption it has more manuscripts it has the New Testament has over
00:32:57.44025,000 manuscripts if you if you accept Homer's Iliad if you accept that the Homer's Iliad we
00:33:04.700have today is the same as the original, then you should have no doubt in the New Testament
00:33:09.280that we have today that it's the same as the original. So then after I learned that,
00:33:13.880I was very surprised and I was like, you know what? That's it. I decided that I was ready to
00:33:22.220give my life to Christ after that because the New Testament is based on, not only is it talking
00:33:28.220about how Jesus is divine, but it's also based on eyewitness testimonies from his closest
00:33:32.880companions people walked with him lived lived with him you know witnessed his miracles witnessed
00:33:38.880his crucifixion and then saw him after he rose from the dead and John talks about how Thomas
00:33:45.140like at first he doubted and he was like I will not believe that Jesus had risen from the dead
00:33:51.320until I see him for myself and I see the wounds in his hands and I put my fingers in the wound
00:33:56.800in his side so then jesus does appear to him and he's like you know touch my hands like the nails
00:34:03.260in my head the nail wounds in my hands like feel my side and then thomas says my lord and my god
00:34:08.700to jesus so i say all that to say that hit there were people there were real eyewitness accounts
00:34:16.200from his closest companions that yes jesus did rise we did see jesus risen from the dead we did
00:34:22.600see him do all these things we did hear him say these things about himself and so you know and
00:34:28.220they 11 out of the 12 of his apostles let themselves be killed for preaching about him
00:34:35.660nobody would let themselves be killed for a lie so that all that after i had realized all of that
00:34:42.660i decided i was ready to give my life for correct to christ
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00:35:47.360so then i made my first prayer to jesus which i had always afraid to do as a muslim uh and and
00:35:57.220even like that during that year where i was exploring christianity i was like i don't know
00:36:02.200if i will ever feel comfortable praying to jesus i might just focus on like praying to the father
00:36:07.240um but at this point i i actually made my first prayer to jesus and i was like you know i i give
00:36:14.400my life to you. And I just want you to use me as a vessel to carry out your will. And then after
00:36:20.320that, I started to, you know, revisit Islam. And then I also started to come across new information
00:36:29.400about Islam that I didn't know before. And the way it happened was like, I wasn't even looking0.71
00:36:36.260for it. I just was coming across it. And then I had the strong conviction to start making videos
00:36:42.100and to post about what I was learning because it was kind of filling me with like this sort of anger
00:36:48.820because I'm like you know these a lot of these things are hidden they're not talked about in
00:36:53.560the Muslim community and I and I know I knew for a fact that a lot of Muslims did not know these
00:36:58.080things and so I was like you know a lot of people are being deceived and when I had went back to
00:37:05.300read the Quran and read about you know what it says about Jesus and his crucifixion reading how
00:37:12.020it says Jesus wasn't actually crucified it was just made to appear so with no other explanation
00:37:18.360behind it it just felt like made up like how do you expect me to believe that when we have all
00:37:23.760these Christian you know uh eyewitnesses non-Christian sources that say that he was
00:37:30.380crucified but yet all you're gonna tell me like God is writing this book and all all God like all
00:37:36.180Allah is gonna tell me so oh I just made it appear so and you're not gonna give any other
00:37:39.640explanation at that point I was like this just sounds ridiculous I was like seeing everything0.97
00:37:45.380in like a new lens and so that like I was filled with this like sort of anger I guess and I felt
00:37:53.960like this strong desire to start posting videos about what I was learning and before this I had
00:37:58.980never like made content like that I never thought I was ever going to make content like that
00:38:03.040like speaking in videos making videos like that but I was like I don't really care I don't care
00:38:08.920how i look in this video i don't care who's gonna see it i'm just gonna i want more muslims to know
00:38:13.800about this and i want them to know the truth about the bible the truth about jesus because0.76
00:38:17.620lying about all this all these things it's contradicting history it's contradicting a0.64
00:38:23.020book that actually was never corrupted to begin with so i feel like i i want i just want muslims
00:38:29.340to know these things and so i made the i started making the content and right away the videos
00:38:34.680started to blow up which i what you know was not expecting but i do believe that it was the holy
00:38:41.320spirit who put it on my heart to start talking about these things who also introduced me to
00:38:46.720these things because like i said i started coming across this information about islam
00:38:50.120without even searching for it um and so yeah and i and i believe you know it was god who
00:38:57.640you know spread my videos um to more people and a lot of muslims have reached out to me and told
00:39:03.820me that, you know, they have left Islam. They have become Christian from my content. And so,
00:39:10.400yeah, it's, it's very amazing. And it's like, I've never expected it, but that's pretty much
00:39:15.320how, how it happened. Wow. I want to go through just some of them, the topics that you have
00:39:21.620tackled that you've kind of debunked. You mentioned one earlier about Aisha. She was
00:39:29.400married to Muhammad when she was six, but apparently she was not, it was not consummated
00:39:35.740until she was nine. Now you say that it was taught that, well, she was, she had different hormones or
00:39:44.160she matured faster and so she looked like a full grown woman at nine years old. Therefore it's not
00:39:52.220pedophilia what did you find out about that what is the real truth yeah so first of all when we
00:40:01.300actually look at scientific studies and we look at you know the um civilizations from like
00:40:07.760all the way to like you know 1400 bc you know 500 bc and and all these areas with warmer climates
00:40:16.480which Muslims say caused Aisha to mature faster, they actually matured slower and they started0.73
00:40:25.420menstruating later. The average age of menstruation among that time in that region was like 14 to 17.0.82
00:40:33.620So if anything, Aisha would have matured later. And then not only that, when we read the Bible,1.00
00:40:40.620which is from the first century so that's 600 years before Aisha we see that Jesus calls
00:40:50.040um she calls he calls a 12 year old girl little girl when when he's raising her from the dead
00:40:57.380and she's she's referred to as a child so if a 12 year old is a child and a little girl0.53
00:41:03.080in the first century then Aisha you know she should have been even more so a child according
00:41:10.200to their logic so or according to like science scientific studies so and then you know not only
00:41:19.900that but there are hadiths like the hadiths show that she was still a child at six she was she was
00:41:27.960not even seen as an adult so for example there's a hadith that that states that after the consummation
00:41:36.300So after they even had intercourse and, you know, they had already been married, they started living together because it wasn't until the marriage was consummated that they were living together.
00:41:44.240And there is a narration from that time where Aisha was playing with dolls and with her friends.0.58
00:41:50.760And then Mohammed comes in and then, you know, her friends get scared and go away.
00:41:55.320And then he calls them back. But she's playing with dolls.0.76
00:41:57.840And the narration specifically says that she was allowed to play with dolls because she had not yet reached puberty.
00:42:03.720so what that means is even when the marriage was consummated even when they had intercourse she
00:42:09.740had still not hit puberty she was still prepubescent um there's another narration and
00:42:15.220these are all completely authentic narrations you can actually find them on sunnah.com
00:42:19.320um sunnah means like um the life of the prophet what he said like what he did that's the sunnah
00:42:26.560you're supposed to follow the quran and the sunnah so sunnah.com actually has all these hadiths so0.87
00:42:31.640if you don't believe me like go because a lot of muslims they don't they'll they won't believe me0.95
00:42:35.420they'll think i'm making this stuff up it's all in the books and it's you can access what's in1.00
00:42:40.740the books on sunda.com they have like majority of the hadiths on there so there's that hadith
00:42:46.080where she's playing with dolls there's another authentic hadith where um right before her mom
00:42:53.140was going to give her to muhammad her mom was fattening her up with cucumbers and dates to make0.88
00:43:00.300her more suited for for intercourse um then we see in another narration another authentic0.92
00:43:08.160narration Aisha was getting accused of it was like some sort of scandal where she was caught with a
00:43:15.960another guy basically she had gotten lost this uh man was bringing her back to the caravan to
00:43:21.760Muhammad's caravan people started talking and was like oh she was uh cheating on Muhammad with this
00:43:26.880guy so then muhammad questions you know muhammad questions um you know some other people around so
00:43:34.720there's this uh one servant uh woman who he's asking about aisha like have you ever noticed
00:43:40.800anything suspicious or wrong with aisha and then she said no um all i would say about her is that
00:43:47.600she's a girl of immature age and at this time aisha was 13 so this servant the servant woman0.71
00:43:52.780is saying oh yeah this 13 year old girl Aisha she's you know just a child of immature age who
00:43:59.100sometimes she leaves the dough out that you know the animals will eat them but eat the dough but
00:44:03.580other than that you know she's fine so but the key is that she's called a girl of immature age
00:44:09.140so all this together it shows no Aisha was was not an adult she was fully a child and then there's
00:44:16.100also uh another authentic narration where a kid who was 15 years old muhammad deemed him too young
00:44:23.800to fight in in um in battles so unless you're going to say that you know um girls and boys have
00:44:32.080you know they do have a different timeline but if you're going to say the the difference is so
00:44:37.020drastic that somehow a 15 year old boy was still considered too young but her at nine was considered
00:44:43.000suitable for intercourse, that just doesn't make sense. You know, they're alive at the
00:44:47.480same time period. So all that together, there's just no way that you could ever say Aisha was an
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00:45:57.240And when you bring this up to Muslims, because I've seen this debate before,
00:46:02.640I've seen a Muslim apologist say, well, you know, the Bible justifies that sort of thing, too.
00:46:09.620I've even seen someone pull out this random assertion, which I had never heard before.
00:46:14.800Well, Abraham actually or Abram actually married Sarah when she was three or married a three year old or something like that.
00:46:25.520Very strange. But like, what do you say to that kind of response from Muslims to say, well,0.77
00:46:31.640you know, it's no different than what the Bible teaches in certain places.0.95
00:46:36.580Yeah. So what they'll say is, um, Rebecca was three, um, you know, Isaac married Rebecca when
00:46:44.340she was three. There's, if you actually read, if you actually read her story in the Bible,
00:46:52.100you read, you know, what's going on. She was having a full on conversation with him. She was
00:46:57.980carrying buckets of water from the well to um feed the camels she and the bible literally says
00:47:05.060that she was of marriageable age there's nowhere in the bible that ever says she was three that
00:47:11.100where that comes from is a later rabbi a jewish rabbi who he's using the number three as uh
00:47:19.580symbolism because in judaism numbers they carry um like symbolic meaning but there is no evidence
00:47:26.860whatsoever that she was three the evidence actually says the exact opposite and then
00:47:32.200anything that they bring up in the bible they're like for example how you know muhammad had
00:47:38.480concubines he had sex slaves so when you bring that up they'll be like oh well this like david0.73
00:47:43.080had concubines solomon had concubines but the thing is they were literally condemned for having0.94
00:47:48.400concubines it literally says that that brought them farther away from god and not only that
00:47:54.200but they're not our standard of morality jesus is our standard of morality and you know he is god0.98
00:48:00.020he's not just a mere human but whereas for muslims muhammad is considered their objective
00:48:04.480moral standard because that's what the quran says the quran says that muhammad is the perfect
00:48:08.820example so you can't really use the prophets from uh the bible to say like oh well you know
00:48:14.800this prophet in the bible did this because that's not who we model ourselves after but yet you are
00:48:19.980supposed to model yourself after Muhammad. So that's what I tell them. Right. And I do just0.92
00:48:26.500want to note the first time we meet Abram and Sarai in Genesis 11, verse 29 says the name of
00:48:36.100Abram's wife was Sarai. And then the immediately following verse is now Sarai was barren. She had
00:48:42.100no child. Obviously, that's not how you describe someone who is prepubescent. You can only be
00:48:49.140barren if you are of childbearing age. You don't call a child who doesn't even have the function0.95
00:48:56.080of conceiving barren. And I always bring people back to creation as well. We see in the very0.67
00:49:02.840beginning that he made us male and female, but not only that, the command that he gave Adam and Eve
00:49:08.360was to be fruitful and multiply. Again, you only have the capacity to do that as a man or a woman
00:49:16.160post-puberty. So we see man, woman from the beginning, there's never any confusion about
00:49:22.360is she a child? Are they even able to have children yet? The purpose of marriage within
00:49:28.340Christianity, one of the main purposes is procreation. And that is only biologically0.97
00:49:34.880possible at a certain age. I wonder if you believe, I mean, it would be hard for me to see
00:49:40.700otherwise, that Muhammad, the founder of Islam, having married a six-year-old, is that what
00:49:49.320justifies so much of the behavior that we tend to see in Islam, not just in the Middle East,
00:49:55.920where you literally have child brides and child sex slavery, but also a lot of the0.99
00:50:02.800stories that we hear about sexual predation by these radical Muslim communities in places like1.00
00:50:10.240Europe. Like, is it even seen within Islam as a moral problem or is it kind of glossed over0.96
00:50:17.680because of what Muhammad did? Yeah. So I would say in the West, it's seen as a moral problem0.98
00:50:24.820because, you know, um, a lot of Muslims in the West, they don't know about these hadiths or,
00:50:30.800you know, they're taught like, um, I should matured faster. So she, so Muhammad did never0.98
00:50:36.480actually married a child or now a new thing that's that's starting is like to reject the
00:50:41.780hadiths altogether uh it was always the case that if you reject hadiths you're not actually
00:50:46.500following islam because you need the hadiths to actually understand the quran so um if you
00:50:54.300there's like a whole thing now where there are muslims who have started to reject the hadiths0.98
00:50:59.500because there are so such like disgusting crazy things in the hadith books um and they're they're0.97
00:51:06.160calling themselves quran only now there's like a huge especially on tiktok there's like a civil war0.59
00:51:12.340in the muslim community where the sunni muslims who still follow the hadith and the quran both
00:51:17.980they're they're calling these um hadith rejecters um non-muslims and saying that they they're
00:51:24.600basically apostates from islam and they're you know it's getting like just really ugly on there
00:51:29.400but the truth is yeah you cannot be a muslim if you reject hadith so what now what a lot of people
00:51:34.800in the west are trying to do is say oh aisha was never actually six or or nine she was actually
00:51:40.20019 because like they're doing some like weird historical calculation but nobody until the
00:51:47.38020th century ever said that aisha was uh 19 it the it has always been that she was six it's like
00:51:54.500a modern thing because now people are starting to learn about it and realize how problematic it is
00:51:58.900But now when it comes to the Middle East, I think that, you know, people, it's more accepted and it's more common knowledge over there.0.91
00:52:11.100And so child marriage is definitely a thing.0.78
00:52:14.160According to, you know, Sharia law, which is in a lot of these Muslim countries, you can marry a child.0.99
00:52:22.600Some places have, you know, the minimum age be nine.0.95
00:52:26.760um but what the what it says is that you know she just has to be physically able to bear intercourse0.91
00:52:34.060that's what the the sharia law says that's what the schools of islamic jurisprudence says that
00:52:40.460as long as she's able to physically bear intercourse you could sleep with her it doesn't
00:52:45.180matter if she's menstruated or not um so it's it's sinful if you think that you would cause harm0.51
00:52:51.420like you know tearing but if not you can you could say this is this is what the sharia books say i'm
00:52:58.460not saying that all muslims practice it in the middle east i'm not saying all countries do
00:53:03.380but there are definitely countries where the the minimum age is nine because of um based on
00:53:09.240muhammad's marriage and these are what the the sharia law says this is what the religion teaches
00:53:16.160So to me, it just shows that it's not a religion from God.0.93
00:53:19.520Even if Muslims weren't to be practicing it, it still shows that the fact that it even came,0.90
00:53:26.560this religion even, you know, has these things.0.99
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00:54:32.480it seems to me like so much of islam is about sex like the fact that men are promised0.93
00:54:43.020you know a fleet of virgins when they go into paradise and so the idea of heaven and islam is0.98
00:54:50.100like an eternal brothel for men women aren't promised that you know the same kinds of gifts0.98
00:54:56.600of perpetual, consequenceless sex. And it contrasts so much from Christianity. I mean,0.97
00:55:04.240Jesus even says in heaven, like you're not married or given in marriage. It really is
00:55:09.140all about fellowship with Christ. It's all about worship of him. And that is what we look forward
00:55:14.880to. No satisfaction of carnal desire, no like, you know, whitewashing of sin or re
00:55:21.800a furbishing of sin to make it better in heaven. It's really like what we look forward to is that
00:55:27.780there will be no sin and that we don't have to worry about carrying that burden and that we get
00:55:32.980to spend forever with him. There's just such a difference. Islam really seems to be driven by
00:55:39.120man's carnal desire for sex and domination. I don't know if you think that's an unfair1.00
00:55:44.040description, but when you're talking, I'm like, it seems like that's what it comes down to in a
00:55:49.420lot of ways yeah no i i 100 agree with that um it is definitely a very carnal religion that that
00:55:58.800revolves around sex for sure um yeah so the quran actually says so men who are martyrs they get the
00:56:08.90072 virgins that a lot of people hear about um and these virgins they they'll never lose their
00:56:14.740virginity they'll be perpetual virgins um but in the Quran for everyone else who isn't a martyr
00:56:20.740you get two virgins and the Quran describes them as like their breasts are full and like like these
00:56:27.580swollen breasts like the fact that the Quran that Allah in the Quran the creator of the universe0.79
00:56:32.760is even describing the breasts of these two virgin women that you're gonna get is is crazy0.73
00:56:38.880And then we see, you know, Muhammad was allowed to have an unlimited amount of wives, but everyone else was able to have up to four wives.
00:56:49.180And then not only that, but, you know, going back to the Hadiths, authentic narrations in Sahih al-Bukhari, which is the most authentic collection of Hadiths,
00:56:58.880there was an instance where at, when him and his army went away to battle, they were, they told
00:57:08.120Muhammad, Hey, we're afraid that since we're away from our wives, that we're going to commit adultery
00:57:12.380and we're going to sin. Like, what should we do? Um, they had even asked him at some point, like,
00:57:17.400should we just castrate ourselves? Cause they didn't want to sin. So then what Muhammad did
00:57:22.180is he allowed temporary marriage um with like women who you know either were captives or0.81
00:57:30.740just like well actually you can you can um if you have war captives you know you could sleep with
00:57:36.600them without marrying them and it's not a sin but like he allowed temporary marriage to women so
00:57:42.240that they could relieve like satisfy their sexual desires and then they could get divorced right
00:57:48.380after now in sunni islam it's no longer allowed that that was abrogated but for a time that was
00:57:55.640allowed by muhammad according to sunni islam um which i just think is crazy like to just that it's
00:58:02.140it's basically just devaluing what marriage actually is like in christianity marriage is a
00:58:07.480is a lifelong covenant and it says that the that two shall become one flesh it shall be united to
00:58:13.780one flesh. And, you know, Jesus even says that in the past, God had allowed divorce because their
00:58:20.900hearts were hard, but God hates divorce too. And there was no concept, you know, God's ideal plan
00:58:27.460for marriage never included polygamy. But now all of a sudden you have Muhammad saying, oh,0.87
00:58:33.260if you're like to his army, like, oh, you guys can just temporarily marry this girl and then
00:58:38.520have intercourse and then, you know, divorce her and move on with your life. That's not what real
00:58:43.020marriage is so it is a very carnal religion it is surrounded you know there's there's so many
00:58:49.100narrations i could tell you also just about muhammad's personal life we we get so many
00:58:54.340narrations of things that we just didn't really need to know like for example there's one
00:58:58.340where it says that muhammad would have intercourse with all nine of his wives
00:59:02.280in one night and then wouldn't shower until he was done with all of them then there are a lot0.99
00:59:07.640where um aisha she said that she would uh scrape the semen off of his clothes with her fingernails0.90
00:59:14.560um before he would pray like his clothes were covered in semen it's like0.77
00:59:19.000they're so it is very sex centered for sure yeah wow i didn't know about a lot of those i didn't
00:59:29.600know how carnal it actually was and i imagine that there's a lot of people in general but like
00:59:35.780you said specifically muslims that don't even that don't even know that um so from a christian
00:59:41.920perspective as someone who was not raised muslim i should say that from that perspective who
00:59:47.180obviously doesn't know all of the quranic teachings the hadith everything that you're
00:59:54.840talking about is it even possible for someone like me to effectively witness to a muslim if
01:00:02.820I don't know all of those things. And yes, of course, we share the gospel and God is going to
01:00:07.560make hearts fertile and all of that. That's the work of the Holy Spirit. But is there a particular
01:00:13.480strategy or a particular step that we should take over on this non-past Muslim side to try to0.93
01:00:22.980witness to the Muslims that we know? Yeah. So I would say it can be a really
01:00:30.740hard thing to approach um when it comes to you know everything that i just mentioned about
01:00:36.000muhammad it a lot of muslims now have started to hear about aisha's age and they have started to
01:00:41.620hear you know maybe not everything that i mentioned but definitely i think her age is
01:00:46.920something that comes up a lot and you know when you bring that up immediately they can start to
01:00:51.900think that you're judging them or stereotyping the religion so then it like puts their guard up
01:00:56.940So I would say like when we're witnessing to Muslims, maybe to start off with, it probably wouldn't be the best to bring up the moral issues with Muhammad, but maybe I would say explaining, you know, the context behind Jesus's sacrifice, you know, having a good understanding of the Old Testament.0.94
01:01:21.580And then being able to defend the validity of the Bible, because most Muslims, the Bible, they think that it's corrupted and they don't know why they don't have any proof of it.0.96
01:01:33.840But since they've been taught it and no one has ever really told them different.0.96
01:01:36.900And it's like it's treated as a fact, like it's treated as like this well-known fact.
01:01:42.100And for me, I think I had assumed like, yeah, the Bible is corrupted because so many people are saying if it wasn't the truth and somebody would have came out and said that already.
01:01:50.420So I was very surprised when I learned that it wasn't because I'm like, then why is it such a widely held belief?
01:01:59.360So I think starting with being able to, like, defend the validity of the Bible and the preservation of the Bible, being able to, you know, explain, you know, the fact that people witness these things, people witness his crucifixion and his resurrection, and, you know, just having a good understanding of the theology is a good place to start.
01:02:23.500um also just like maybe you know focusing on the continuity aspect between christianity and islam
01:02:31.400because islam it's supposed to be from the same god and it's supposed to be a continuation of our
01:02:35.980religion yet it contradicts it in in so many ways like it doesn't mention the the atonement
01:02:43.000sacrificial system it leaves out passover one of like the biggest um like the biggest holy days
01:02:51.300in the Old Testament, the biggest event in the Bible, because it was during the time of Pharaoh
01:02:56.320and the Quran mentions the Exodus story and mentions, you know, the signs that were given
01:03:02.480to Pharaoh, but the one that it leaves out is Passover. So then, you know, bringing up these
01:03:08.400issues and being like, it's so widespread in the Bible and it's such an integral part of the Bible
01:03:14.920that there's no way that part can be a corruption. So why does the Quran never mention it? I think
01:03:20.620starting with those things and then maybe bringing up the moral aspects to like, you know, ease them
01:03:26.540into it would be a good way to start. Okay. That's a really helpful perspective. Well, gosh, I could
01:03:33.400keep talking to you on and on about all of the different perspectives that you have. We'll have
01:03:37.500to have you back on and just kind of go through those rapid fire. But I really encourage people
01:03:42.480to, in the meantime, go to your page. You've talked about such interesting things like
01:03:47.400what you think about john the baptist and how that differs from the muslim perspective on things
01:03:53.400um jesus reciting psalm 22 my god my god why have you forsaken me and i wish we had time to
01:03:59.580get into all of that but i just really encourage people to check you out to check you out to watch
01:04:04.440your videos to share your videos it's eternal bread of life instagram tiktok thank you so much
01:04:10.740for taking the time to share your testimony and just for what you do thank you so much for having