Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1396 ｜ You Don’t Have “Mom Rage;” You’re Just Sinning

00:00:00.160 Postpartum rage is not a diagnosis. Do you really have postpartum rage or are you just

00:00:05.920 overwhelmed with busyness? That is not postpartum rage. That is life. That is just what happens to

00:00:13.040 a fallible human when we have a lot going on and we don't have a lot of sleep. Putting the word

00:00:18.020 postpartum before any difficult emotion or any difficulty that we experience almost justifies

00:00:25.340 all of our feelings. I just want you to consider whether you really have postpartum rage or

00:00:32.000 whether you are just struggling with the sin of anger. Hey y'all, welcome to Relatable. Happy

00:00:49.440 Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far. All right, we got a lot to get to

00:00:53.820 today, so I'm just going to jump right into it. This term postpartum rage or mom rage or

00:01:00.920 overstimulated or touched out, all of these terms, all of these words are used to describe

00:01:06.160 this kind of heightened aggravation that moms feel due to domestic demands and demands of life

00:01:12.900 in general. Children who need attention, you've got husbands who want affection, plus you have 1.00

00:01:17.860 all of life's other obligations. And all of this combined surpasses some women's tolerance 0.96

00:01:25.120 threshold. And the overwhelm then translates into anger and bitterness. This is a description that 0.87

00:01:30.940 we see a lot, especially online when it comes to motherhood. And the question is for all of

00:01:37.120 these words specifically, are they real diagnoses? Are these genuine, understandable physiological

00:01:43.440 responses to motherhood? Or are they, like so many other terms in our therapy-laden culture,

00:01:50.300 pathological excuses for sin? These are questions that I've been thinking about over the last

00:01:55.540 few weeks, especially in light of this Lindsay Clancy case, because the plight of mothers,

00:02:01.620 especially postpartum, has taken center stage. The case, as many of you know, if you've been

00:02:07.780 following along, listening to this podcast for the past several weeks, it ended in a mistrial

00:02:12.400 after a lone juror refused to assent to the conclusion that Clancy was not guilty by reason

00:02:17.320 of insanity. Now, something I want to take a deeper look at is how Clancy herself looked

00:02:24.200 at motherhood and how we as a culture looked at or look at and talk about motherhood. In a photo

00:02:31.560 that has been circulating of what appears to be Lindsay Clancy's nightstand, next to a bloody

00:02:37.680 knife, Clancy had a wine glass that said, because kids. And in a Facebook group, you probably

00:02:43.760 remember, she described her middle child, a toddler, as one of the most difficult humans

00:02:47.980 that she had ever met. Now, some people would argue and did argue when I talked about this

00:02:52.820 on Instagram, that these things are totally separate. They're completely irrelevant to this

00:02:57.560 case. I got messages saying things like, these are the cries of a woman who needed help. This

00:03:02.160 is her trying to be honest and vulnerable, asking people for advice. But even if we do separate

00:03:08.340 these statements, that wine glass from Lindsay's guilt, which to me seems kind of absurd in light

00:03:13.360 of the fact that she admitted on multiple occasions to killing her children, the question

00:03:17.620 remains, is this a healthy way to think about motherhood or to talk about our children or to

00:03:23.440 seek advice from others? No, this kind of attitude is not always going to lead to violence. Most

00:03:28.460 times it won't lead to violence or to murdering or mistreating your children, but it's still worth

00:03:34.960 asking, is this a healthy culture and a healthy conversation that we have created about the so

00:03:40.880 called burden of being a mom? This overwhelming empathy for Lindsay online from mothers who

00:03:47.160 exclaim same Lindsay as they relate to the apparent feelings of desperation that Lindsay

00:03:52.940 felt taking care of her kids is at the very least a reason for pause. Christian women should not 0.94

00:03:59.840 see content like that and simply nod our heads knowingly and move along. We have to be thoughtful

00:04:05.100 in all things, but especially when it comes to the treatment of children, we should be thoughtful

00:04:09.540 and we should ask, what is the difference between healthy motherhood and unhealthy motherhood?

00:04:13.680 Is this kind of content, this speech, this attitude honoring to the Lord? Is it nurturing

00:04:19.020 to my kids? Is it helpful to me? Is it edifying to others? And really importantly, is it true?

00:04:25.800 Is this true? Now, for me, as someone who has written about and spoken against the dangers of

00:04:31.620 what many years ago I dubbed toxic mommy culture, this whole thing has caused me to take an even

00:04:37.480 deeper look into the language that is used around women's emotions, especially when it comes to

00:04:44.720 postpartum. I've had three kids. We've got another on the way. I know very, very well the real

00:04:50.500 emotions, the overwhelm that can come with these seasons, but how motherhood and womanhood are

00:04:56.380 discussed online makes it seem like these emotions and the actions that flow from those emotions

00:05:01.780 are completely uncontrollable to the point where our agency is totally removed.

00:05:06.980 Now, how do I square that mentality, that assessment of women in the postpartum era

00:05:14.180 with 2 Timothy 1.7, which tells me that God has given me as a Christian,

00:05:19.540 a spirit of love and of self-control. How do I square that with Romans 8.6, which tells me that

00:05:24.820 God gave me as a Christian, not a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but one of

00:05:29.460 a daughter who gets to call on the creator of the universe is my father.

00:05:33.860 Like, is the Holy Spirit really snuffed out by lower progesterone or fluctuating estrogen

00:05:38.640 or sleeplessness?

00:05:39.940 Is God's power not perfected in my weakness? 0.95

00:05:43.260 Like, these are questions that I think Christian women are obligated to ask when it comes to 0.65

00:05:48.120 how the culture talks about our emotions and talks about postpartum and motherhood.

00:05:54.000 To believe that the difficulty of postpartum is a justification for rage, bitterness, or

00:06:00.160 even violence is for us to deny the power of the gospel in our lives and deny the power of the

00:06:07.260 spirit to rule our body. And then some will say, I've seen this, and I think this is a well-intentioned

00:06:13.060 response to the toxicity that we've seen, the negativity that we've seen online about children

00:06:18.040 and child rearing. They'll say, okay, well, to combat that, we just need to talk about how easy

00:06:24.080 and fun and joyful motherhood can be. And that is true. It can be all of those things. And I

00:06:30.140 think it's great to talk about the joys and the ease and the fun of motherhood, but I don't think

00:06:35.160 that is the answer. I don't think that is the key antidote to toxic mommy culture because hormones

00:06:43.620 and sleeplessness and overwhelm and physical pain, they're very real. They're part of living as

00:06:49.680 humans, part of being finite, part of a fallen world, even in some ways, part of Eve's unique

00:06:55.260 curse. And I think part of human nature is to seek to alleviate pain. Some women are seeking

00:07:02.580 that alleviation through SSRIs, through commiseration online, but we Christians know

00:07:08.160 better that there is a better source of satisfaction and healing than what we see on

00:07:12.860 social media or even what we can get in a psychiatrist's office. So how do we as Christians

00:07:19.040 navigate this world of toxic mommy culture as thoughtful people, elevating the truth of the

00:07:24.520 gospel without minimizing the challenges of living in a world that is tainted by sin and all of its

00:07:30.840 effects. And so that's the first topic that I want to explore today, both on my own and with a very

00:07:36.060 wise guest, Audrey Brogy. She's a mom of five. She's a grandmother of 17, and she is a mentor 0.95

00:07:43.360 to thousands and thousands of women over the years as a pastor's wife, as someone who has

00:07:48.100 written Bible studies, who has led Bible studies, who's spoken to so many women about how to mother

00:07:53.780 and how to be a wife in a way that is biblical, that is lovely, that is joyful, even when it's

00:07:59.580 difficult. And she's really going to set us straight when it comes to how Christian women

00:08:04.320 mother well. Tough love given in the most gracious way. That really encouraged me. I know

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00:08:14.100 Grace Anna. And today is just going to be a taste of what you'll hear from them on October 10th.

00:08:19.440 And then after we talk to Audrey, we're going to look at the lone holdout juror in the Lindsay

00:08:25.540 Clancy trial, the media's treatment of him, the concern we should all have about what

00:08:31.640 the aftermath of the mistrial means for justice in our country.

00:08:36.660 What does it mean when it comes to how we look at truth and morality and responsibility,

00:08:42.380 all of these things that affect not only us, but affect our children and grandchildren

00:08:47.320 who will live in this country and also be subject to our justice system. That really matters. Now,

00:08:54.720 before we get into the first topic of toxic mommy culture and how we can reassess some of this

00:09:00.740 terminology like postpartum rage and touch doubt and all of these things that seem to justify so

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00:11:40.200 just exaggerating this? There are so many examples of this all over Instagram and TikTok. Moms

00:11:45.240 calling their kids brats, berating their children, doing social media content for laughs that makes 0.72

00:11:52.840 their kids cry. You probably remember that trend of moms like cracking eggs. They like their child 1.00

00:11:59.480 thinks that, Oh, I get to bake with mommy. This is so fun. She sets up a camera and then instead

00:12:05.340 of cracking the egg on the side of the bowl, she cracks the egg on their forehead. And these little 0.93

00:12:10.040 kids, I mean, they're little, they're two and three years old. They're shocked and they start

00:12:14.940 crying and the mom starts laughing and people are like, Oh, you're just too sensitive. You care

00:12:19.980 about that, you know, too much. The kids are fine. Well, it's not that I think that the kids have a

00:12:24.820 concussion. It's not that I think that they're going to be permanently scarred physically or

00:12:28.740 emotionally forever, but it is mean. I cannot imagine. I have a three-year-old. I cannot

00:12:33.740 imagine doing something to intentionally hurt and embarrass her and then posting it, editing that

00:12:41.080 and then posting it. I mean, what it speaks to is just a hardness of heart and a narcissism

00:12:46.380 that I think is actually driving a lot of rage and anxiety in moms, not the kids themselves.

00:12:53.660 But then there's also content, kidding or not, of moms posting their children, trying to just

00:13:00.080 be affectionate to them or laying on them and then expressing just outright annoyance about that.

00:13:06.920 Here's a montage of that, SOT7. So this says, when your only son that you don't like tries

00:13:13.780 to lay down on you. This is a little bitty baby, like just a few months old. Do not have children.

00:13:20.140 Do not do it to yourself. The rage I have inside of me, the depression and the wanting to I have

00:13:27.820 inside of me, they are a parasite. And that means that they will not only suck every thing of your 1.00

00:13:35.300 energy, but they will also suck every ounce of your soul from your body. And then here you have

00:13:41.320 a mom. She's driving. Her son is like playing with the fat on her arm. And then you see the 1.00

00:13:48.920 boy being forced to sprint to, this is like probably four years old sprint to catch up

00:13:54.640 with the car. He looks genuinely distressed. She starts driving faster. She's filming him.

00:13:59.240 He starts crying. By the way, I guarantee this entire thing was set up. She probably told her

00:14:04.660 son to start doing that to her arm just because she saw this on social media and she thought that

00:14:10.400 it would make funny content. This probably wasn't even a spontaneous thing. Also, who cares? Who

00:14:16.200 cares if your child is like making fun of the fact that you have fat on your arms? Like who cares?

00:14:24.400 That's not actually something to be offended by. Do you know, like if I were offended by the things

00:14:30.420 that my kids said about me while I am in my third trimester pregnant, like I would be offended

00:14:36.320 constantly. They just call me big belly mommy. That's just like what they, that's like my

00:14:41.080 nickname now. And so if I were to actually be offended by the things that they say to me,

00:14:47.940 I would be better all the time. But this kind of thing is monetized. It's commercialized at the

00:14:53.780 expense of children. Some might see it as just like sarcastic, dark humor, kids need to toughen

00:14:59.140 up, but never before have kids been publicly exploited in this way for clicks. Like no other

00:15:06.800 generation has had to deal with this form of a public humiliation ritual that kids are having

00:15:13.560 to endure from the very people that they were created to trust and to rely on for their care.

00:15:21.060 So it's this kind of culture that desensitizes us to true child abuse, that desensitizes us to

00:15:27.860 the degradation and the objectification of children that makes us bitter about motherhood

00:15:34.340 as some kind of burden rather than a blessing. And I even think it infects some well-meaning

00:15:41.920 moms, some Christian moms who have adopted some of these terms that I see on social media,

00:15:47.220 like postpartum rage. Like I hear this, like I just have postpartum rage or people will say

00:15:51.640 they have postpartum anxiety or postpartum depression. And postpartum depression is a real

00:15:57.700 diagnosis. Postpartum anxiety is a real diagnosis that you can have in the weeks, days, and sometimes

00:16:06.180 months after you have baby. And it might just be more than changing emotions. It might actually

00:16:13.820 be this deep, dark, emotional pit that you are in, that you are trying very hard to get out of

00:16:20.240 and can't. So I am not negating that reality, but I think so often it's not that you have some

00:16:28.040 pathological problem. It's not that you have some medical diagnosis. Like you're just tired.

00:16:34.600 You just have a lot going on. Postpartum rage, by the way, is not a diagnosis. Do you really

00:16:41.380 have postpartum rage or are you just overwhelmed with busyness? Did you just get four hours of

00:16:47.400 sleep last night? Do you just have like a lot going on with just having a baby and having to

00:16:52.940 take care of two toddlers? That is not postpartum rage. That is life. Like that's not being touched

00:17:00.020 out or being overstimulated or having some kind of medical diagnosis. That is just what happens

00:17:06.860 to a fallible human when we have a lot going on and we don't have a lot of sleep. And I think

00:17:12.480 putting the word postpartum before any difficult emotion or any difficulty that we experience

00:17:19.120 almost justifies all of our feelings. It justifies the bitterness and anger and the malice and the

00:17:26.520 resentment that we are told to put away by the word of God. And suddenly it's excused because

00:17:33.480 it's just postpartum. And so I just want you to consider whether you really have postpartum

00:17:41.200 blank, like postpartum rage, or whether you are just struggling with the sin of anger.

00:17:48.280 And another question that we won't see on social media, are you doing everything that you can

00:17:56.160 to mitigate that? I think that we have this idea that when you're postpartum, you have no control.

00:18:03.000 You don't have control over your emotions. You don't have control over your body and some things,

00:18:07.020 some bodily functions, postpartum, you don't have control over. That's true. I'm not talking

00:18:11.180 about that, but you don't have any control over your flesh at all, that there's nothing that you

00:18:16.900 can do to mitigate these negative feelings. I just don't think that's true. I was just talking

00:18:21.760 to a friend the other day about this idea that, oh, I just have like this postpartum anger and

00:18:28.700 rage. It's like, okay, yeah, but actually you're just angry because you're waking up earlier than

00:18:35.200 you want to. And you feel overwhelmed as soon as you wake up. What if you change your morning

00:18:40.880 routine. Are you in the word of God? Are you listening to worship music? Are you saturated

00:18:45.700 in prayer? Are you asking for help spiritually, emotionally, physically from the people who can

00:18:51.820 help you, who are willing to help you? That's not to say that those feelings don't come from a real

00:18:57.480 place or don't have a real source, but don't pathologize them to excuse sin. That's the point.

00:19:04.000 I think sometimes women really just need to hear tough love. Yes, motherhood can be hard. 1.00

00:19:09.880 postpartum can be hard, especially if you have a difficult birth. Like if you had a traumatic birth

00:19:14.800 and your body is healing and you are going through a lot of pain, that can very deeply affect your

00:19:22.560 mental, uh, your mental stability. Absolutely. But I remember a guest, um, a couple of years

00:19:31.360 ago that I had on the show, he said something that just stopped me in my tracks and made me

00:19:35.020 think so differently about just how our mental state can affect what we do. And he said, your

00:19:42.300 body can't make you sin. Your body can't make you sin because we're indwelt with the Holy Spirit.

00:19:49.140 Nothing is too hard for God. Like we were given, as we said earlier, a spirit of power and of

00:19:54.560 self-control that is not hindered by what our hormones are up to. That's not hindered by our

00:20:00.820 sleeplessness. That doesn't mean that those things aren't difficult. It just means that our reliance

00:20:06.200 on the Lord needs to increase. It doesn't change what we are called to. Joy, love, peace, patience,

00:20:13.800 kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, self-control. Postpartum is not like an excuse

00:20:20.620 period for sin and for bitterness and for anger. And I think many times we're convinced that it is.

00:20:27.900 And I just wonder if women took more responsibility for our emotions and our actions, even in those 0.65

00:20:33.520 vulnerable moments, if we would actually be better off. 0.99

00:20:38.820 Are you contributing to the edification or the degradation of motherhood and motherhood culture?

00:20:47.100 Because the attitude that's out there, that all is justified in postpartum, all manner of rage

00:20:52.660 and violence and anger and whatever it is postpartum, when that attitude saturates our

00:20:57.660 culture, it becomes much easier for people to look at a woman who murdered her children and say,

00:21:03.520 well, yeah, she snapped. Motherhood is just hard. Kids are just really hard. And the system failed 1.00

00:21:09.820 her and the SSRIs and her husband and her parents and the nanny and her job and American feminism

00:21:18.220 and capitalism and all of these different things, the patriarchy, everything just failed her rather

00:21:23.300 than saying, no, no, no. Whatever you think about these other factors here, whatever you think about

00:21:29.880 those things, the truth is, is that she made a decision and being postpartum and even having

00:21:36.540 the difficulty of the emotions that come with being postpartum do not alleviate our responsibility

00:21:42.140 as sinners and our need to rely on the Lord to help us not sin, to sanctify us and to strengthen

00:21:48.600 us. That's why I wrote that book. You're not enough. And that's okay. Escaping the toxic

00:21:53.320 culture of self-love. That's where I started really writing about toxic mommy culture,

00:21:57.980 because ironically, like within toxic mommy culture, you see so much about self-love and

00:22:04.240 self-focus and self-fulfillment and all of these things promise to liberate you. Do those women 1.00

00:22:09.700 that we just played you on TikTok, do they seem liberated? No, they're trapped by the God of 0.97

00:22:16.360 self. They are bearing this really heavy burden, this really difficult yoke of serving themselves

00:22:22.480 and believing that they deserve a frictionless, happy life. And kids don't lead to a frictionless

00:22:29.100 life. They don't lead to a convenient life. That is absolutely true. And if your priority

00:22:36.080 is being comfortable and being convenient and being happy, then yeah, motherhood is going to 1.00

00:22:40.480 have a rude awakening. But as Christians, we know that that's not our purpose. Purpose is to glorify

00:22:45.440 God, to love other people, to be holy, to be made holy, to be sanctified takes difficulty and there's

00:22:51.640 joy found in that rather than just an ease. So our mentality and our words and our agency and all of

00:22:58.860 that should be completely different as Christian women than what we see in the world. That's not 0.90

00:23:03.320 denial of the difficulty. That's not just smiling and pretending like nothing is wrong or never

00:23:09.040 asking for help. It is saying, yes, I do need help. And that is not going to be found in complaining

00:23:14.740 online. That is going to be found in my savior who promises that his power is perfected in my

00:23:21.520 weakness. Now this culture that has been created, this toxic mommy culture is not without its

00:23:28.880 victims. It's not without its very real consequences. Yes, we see Lindsay Clancy,

00:23:32.840 the online reaction to that. But then you have these copycat stories. You've got a woman in

00:23:38.640 Illinois, prosecutors say a mother who was closely following Clancy's trial went to kill her own

00:23:43.940 child. This just happened a few weeks ago. I don't even want to get into all the details of this. I

00:23:48.920 had to delete my X app on my phone, y'all, because after talking about the Lindsay Clancy case and

00:23:53.840 reading about it so much. That was my entire timeline of women complaining about motherhood, 0.99

00:24:00.300 complaining about their kids, mistreating their kids online. And then stories like this,

00:24:04.380 this woman, Corey Walsh, who killed her two-year-old son after becoming super invested

00:24:09.040 in the Lindsay Clancy trial. I don't even want to talk about how she murdered this precious little

00:24:14.120 two-year-old boy. And I just, I couldn't look at it anymore because it just is so sad. Like

00:24:21.240 the spirit of darkness that lives in so many people, male and female, but we're seen in a very 0.98

00:24:26.880 special, particular, and also archaic, almost tale as old as time way among women who are

00:24:33.280 sacrificing their children on the altar of the God of self. And then of course, we have the removal

00:24:38.340 of women's agency in cases like the 22-year-old Damone Fleming. She killed her three-year-old

00:24:43.660 and 11-month-old sons back in 2022, but only a few weeks ago, the Bronx judge on the case found

00:24:50.100 her not responsible by reason of mental disease or defect, calling this postpartum psychosis.

00:24:56.460 Again, she was 11 months postpartum. That is outside the window that the DSM-5 says you can

00:25:01.100 even have postpartum psychosis. And so again, we're just using this term postpartum to justify

00:25:07.460 all manner of sin and let it not be so for Christian women. Let it not be so for us. 0.99

00:25:13.820 Let us not contribute to this toxic mommy culture even one bit. If you need help,

00:25:19.320 seek help. If you need wisdom, seek wisdom. If you need advice, if you need to vent to someone

00:25:26.940 with the purpose of being edified and equipped, then go do that at your local body, um, at church

00:25:34.380 to an older female mentor, that's the healthy way to do it. And right now, thankfully we have this 0.96

00:25:41.840 amazing, um, woman mentor who is on the show and she's going to, like I said, set us straight 0.99

00:25:48.400 when it comes to motherhood? How do we approach it in a way that honors God,

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00:27:18.980 Audrey, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. So excited and honored to have you and

00:27:24.020 Grace Anna at Share the Arrows. And I understand you just welcomed grandchild number 17.

00:27:30.320 That is correct. That is correct. Number 17. And you know what? Every single time is just as

00:27:37.040 thrilling as the last one. Yeah. Oh, I'm sure. What an incredible blessing. Okay. You and Grace

00:27:45.580 Anna will be talking about motherhood, being a wife and mom, and just the joy and the difficulty

00:27:51.460 in that and how we do that in godly ways. And this is against kind of a backdrop of something

00:27:56.920 that maybe has been happening forever, but because of social media has become more popular.

00:28:02.120 And that's what I call toxic mommy culture. And it's this trend of not just saying that things

00:28:08.120 are hard, but really harping on your kids and how burdensome being a mom is, especially with

00:28:15.140 the Lindsay Clancy trial. We even saw moms posting on social media, like same Lindsay,

00:28:21.260 which is very scary, but basically saying, yeah, I kind of have that murderous rage about motherhood

00:28:26.180 too. So tell us, where do you think that is coming from, and how do we as Christian women combat that?

00:28:33.840 Well, one of the things that I think it comes from is just the more a culture drifts away from

00:28:39.440 the truth of God's Word, the more there's rejection of what the Word of God says, the more we see the

00:28:44.880 worst of our sin nature come out. And even when we think it won't happen to mothers because we have

00:28:49.880 that natural God-given instinct to love and protect our children, but when we are left to our own way,

00:28:56.180 When we abandon the Lord, we see the full expression of our sin nature.

00:29:00.340 And for everyone, it doesn't go as extreme as what we're seeing today, but it's a progression.

00:29:06.060 It begins that way.

00:29:07.040 That's what I think. 0.99

00:29:07.880 Even when I was younger and my children were young, there was still a lot of even Christian 0.92

00:29:14.160 women doing exactly what you just said, who were constantly complaining about their children.

00:29:20.300 And I know I didn't want to do that. 0.61

00:29:22.920 Motherhood is hard.

00:29:23.800 We can all agree to that.

00:29:25.300 There's stresses. There's times we feel worn out, burned out when we're, you know, we're just over the top. But I also believe that when, and I'm talking about Christian women now, when we're taught the word of God, when we're given God's perspective on it, it changes everything.

00:29:42.880 It's like when you get up in the trees and you look down and you see the big picture,

00:29:47.020 it changes your perspective.

00:29:49.260 And one of the things I've said so many times over the years, and I said it to myself,

00:29:53.600 perspective makes all the difference in the world.

00:29:56.140 And I think that's true.

00:29:57.800 And that's one of the reasons that I spend so much time, you know, talking to young women

00:30:04.760 about this, wanting to help them with the perspective and to know that God sees it,

00:30:09.460 God knows it. And yet he's entrusted it to you. And I always go back to Mary, the mother of Jesus.

00:30:15.920 And I think that was an entrustment he gave to a fallen human woman to raise the savior of the 0.65

00:30:21.820 world. And it's not a nothing job. And so sometimes when you can get that perspective,

00:30:27.560 it changes the way you view the hard moments. At least it did for me.

00:30:32.760 mm-hmm there's a woman who might be listening to this right now in this moment and she's taking a

00:30:40.600 moment to listen to this podcast maybe during nap time or on the way to school pickup and she's

00:30:45.700 like okay audrey well i am in the trenches right now i've got maybe it's not only the normal

00:30:52.200 everydayness of having little children maybe she's got a child with special needs maybe she's

00:30:58.620 a single mom. She's a widow. There are so many situations that someone could be listening to 1.00

00:31:03.140 this and saying, okay, but what's the perspective for me? So if you're talking to that mom who just

00:31:08.740 feels like she is in the midst of a lot of hardship, what do you say to her?

00:31:14.320 Well, I tell her that God knows that. God knows that life is hard. The general principle for all

00:31:19.420 of life is that it's hard. That we all have hard times in our lives and God wants to use those

00:31:24.860 hard times to mold us and shape us and sanctify us. And again, it comes back to the perspective

00:31:29.380 of God's word and making sure that we are filling our tanks up in the mornings that we are. You know,

00:31:35.440 I tell women all the time before your feet hit the floor in the morning, and it could be that

00:31:40.020 you're nursing a baby, you know, in that early morning time. But before your feet, when you 0.76

00:31:44.980 first open your eyes, if you go ahead and give your day to the Lord, say, Lord, I don't know what

00:31:49.240 you're going to what you have for me today. I don't know what struggles I'm going to face with

00:31:53.280 a disobedient child. I don't know what I'm going to face with a baby that won't stop crying. I don't

00:31:58.920 know, but you know, and I want to give you my day and I want to walk by the Spirit so that I don't

00:32:05.620 carry out the desires of the flesh, as Galatians says. So fill me with your Holy Spirit and help

00:32:12.420 me to make those choices moment by moment, because it comes back to, we do have to live moment by

00:32:18.060 moment. I send that encouraging, there's an encouraging song that I love. It's called Grace

00:32:23.400 for the Moment, All That I Need. And I listened to it all the time when I was a young mom,

00:32:28.920 because God always reminded me that we need grace for the moment. We think, oh, I want to have a

00:32:33.620 great day. Well, how do you have a great day? When I say great, I don't mean that everything

00:32:38.380 is going perfectly. I just mean a great day in terms of trusting God and not denying the

00:32:44.380 hardships, you know, because we don't do that. It's hard. That's hard. But at the same time,

00:32:48.740 it's like, well, I can, I want to trust you, Lord, with my day. I want to trust you, Lord,

00:32:53.280 with my hour. I want to trust you, Lord, for the next 10 minutes. I want to trust you, Lord,

00:33:00.020 for the next second. And it comes back to that hard attitude toward the Lord and trusting him

00:33:06.680 that he's going to meet us in those hard moments and show us what the next thing is that we need

00:33:11.920 to do so, or to trust him with. Yes. You know, everything that you're saying reminds me of the

00:33:19.940 story that I learned about the hymn, I Need Thee Every Hour, which is another way to say grace for

00:33:26.100 the moment. And the author, for those who don't know out there, Annie Hawks, she wrote this. This

00:33:32.660 is in the late 19th century, in the 1800s. She said, one day as a young wife and mother of 37

00:33:38.980 seven years of age, I was busy with my regular household tasks during a bright June morning in

00:33:43.860 1872. Suddenly I became so filled with the sense of nearness to the master that wondering how one

00:33:50.580 could live without him, either enjoy or pain. These words were ushered into my mind. The thought

00:33:55.820 at once taking full possession of me, I need the every hour. I think that so many women think of 1.00

00:34:04.460 motherhood as mundane or small, or when you think about it, not from the perspective that you're

00:34:10.960 talking about from the trees, but down in it. Well, this is just another dirty diaper. This 0.93

00:34:15.680 is just another meal. This is just another dish that I have to clean. This is just another fight

00:34:21.720 that I have to break up between siblings. We don't think about actually in this moment, I need God's

00:34:29.360 grace. Like I need God's presence just as much, maybe in a different way than the soldier who's

00:34:35.340 in war or the persecuted Christian who is taking a big risk for their faith. We as moms, I think,

00:34:41.900 have this way of minimizing the importance of what we do so that we are not led to the throne

00:34:48.400 of God to ask for his help, even in the moments that seem very small. You know, what you just

00:34:55.140 said, it brought to my mind when you said that the person in the trenches or we're raising those

00:35:00.520 people, you know, they started out as little babies in our arms. They started out like you

00:35:06.240 think of Timothy, when Paul says, you know, the sincere faith that was first in your mother and

00:35:11.400 your grandmother. And from childhood, you've known the Holy scriptures. They took that role seriously

00:35:16.580 in the life of their little, their little boy, and they molded him and shaped him so that he

00:35:21.920 would be ready for Paul says, Hey, I want that. I want him. You know, he was ready because, and

00:35:27.640 God had a great task for him to do, but, and the great task that Lois and Eunice had was just as

00:35:34.160 great in terms of what they instilled and what they were bringing up. And that's another thing

00:35:39.120 to grab hold of because I think sometimes, and it was true in my generation and it's true even more

00:35:45.180 now, I think because of social media and all the comparison things, but we tend to want to grab

00:35:51.420 hold to what's easy for me. And that's, and I'm not saying that we don't need to take care of

00:35:56.180 ourselves. We should, so we can do what God's called us to do. That's why we take care of

00:35:59.780 ourselves. But to, to forget, there's not just about, oh, so I can spend more time scrolling

00:36:05.100 on my phone or I want the children just to be quiet so I can do this or do that. But no, this

00:36:10.540 is, this is the trenches. And I remember one time when one of my children was young

00:36:16.560 And he was, now I said he, but I have four boys, so they're nameless.

00:36:22.220 But he was having such a bad day.

00:36:25.080 I always like to be careful what I say about my kids.

00:36:28.200 But he was having such a bad day.

00:36:30.380 And it seemed like all I was doing that day was working on obedience.

00:36:34.360 And I remember thinking in my head, I was so frustrated.

00:36:37.720 And I remember thinking, you know, there's so many other things we need to do today.

00:36:42.000 And I just need to get this behind us.

00:36:44.480 And I remember I was sitting in a chair holding him and, you know, and he wasn't liking that.

00:36:51.860 But I just asked the Lord for his grace.

00:36:54.100 And I just remember feeling overwhelmed with it was that there was nothing else more important

00:37:00.380 than I needed to do that day than deal with this child, than deal with him biblically.

00:37:06.040 That it was he wasn't keeping me from doing what the other things.

00:37:10.380 This was part of the training because he has a sin nature.

00:37:13.420 I have a sin nature. And when you have a lot of sin natures living in the house, you have a lot

00:37:18.020 of conflict, but that's part of the sanctification process. So it wasn't a matter. I mean, God just

00:37:23.120 impressed it on me. It wasn't so much scripture that he brought to my mind, but just impressed

00:37:28.100 upon me how important this was to get this under control with this child. And this was part of not

00:37:33.860 only my job toward him, but God's job in my own life. So I never forgot it. I don't even forget

00:37:40.200 But to this day, when I'm trying to, you know, when young moms are reaching out to me and saying, it's just terrible, this child's disobedient all the time.

00:37:48.180 Like, yeah, because there's that sin nature.

00:37:50.760 And that's, you know, so I try and I encourage them.

00:37:52.860 I don't mean I just say, oh, yeah.

00:37:55.200 But still, it's that perspective again, that God is sanctifying us, sanctifying my child, helping me with his disobedience, but also helping me in that as well.

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00:39:23.220 disobedience or the comfort or whatever it is that your child needs in that moment is not

00:39:28.360 an impediment to the rest of your day. It's not an impediment to the goals that you are trying

00:39:36.340 to accomplish, or maybe it is, but maybe that's the bigger goal. Maybe that's the bigger task.

00:39:42.180 And it makes me think of Jesus and his disciples so many times we read in the gospels that

00:39:46.700 on their way to doing one thing, and it was a good thing what they were doing. They were probably

00:39:51.520 going to do more ministry, but they stopped and they healed the man or dealt with the person that

00:39:56.960 was in front of them, even in the parable of the good Samaritan. They were all on their way to

00:40:01.620 doing something. And it was only the Samaritan that said, you know what, this thing that's on

00:40:06.220 my way, that is an interruption. It is an inconvenience, but it's more important actually

00:40:11.560 than me continuing my journey. And I'm so glad that she reminded me of that because that, that

00:40:16.980 is, that is something that I think, especially when our kids are little and my kids are little

00:40:21.200 that we have to remind ourselves every day that like, no, this actually is the most important,

00:40:26.100 the most important work right now. I can stop doing what I'm doing. Yeah, go ahead.

00:40:32.500 I love that because I immediately thought of the hemorrhaging woman, Jairus' daughter. And

00:40:36.620 they're on their way. They're on their way because he's going to die. I mean, Jairus' daughter, 0.92

00:40:43.280 I'm saying, and then the hemorrhaging woman comes and he takes care of that. But then he goes on

00:40:48.500 and God is always up to something. He's always up to something. But that just reminded me of that

00:40:53.480 in Mark's gospel, because it's just what you said. We're not stopping the work by stopping

00:41:01.660 to deal with this. This is the work. This is part of the work, I guess I should say it that way.

00:41:07.180 Yeah, I love that. Yes. No, but that's such a good, I'm glad that you brought up that specific

00:41:12.960 example because, again, what Jesus was going to do was good and urgent. It was good and urgent.

00:41:21.340 And yet he's looked at what was in front of him and saw the opportunity to heal someone

00:41:26.580 and glorify God.

00:41:27.660 And I think you're right.

00:41:28.940 If we see motherhood and even those really tough moments as that, that this is a task

00:41:34.280 assigned to me by the God of the universe, then nothing is mundane in motherhood.

00:41:39.620 That's right.

00:41:40.420 That's right.

00:41:40.880 And God is not unjust to forget the works that you do, just the sacrifice that you do

00:41:46.840 for your children.

00:41:47.540 even if they don't see it and they don't appreciate it and they whatever, however you want to fill in

00:41:52.500 that blank, God sees it and we do it for him. We raise these children for him. We take care of

00:41:57.960 them. Cause just imagine, once again, I always think about Mary, the mother of Jesus, because

00:42:02.160 I think God entrusted her with the savior and for her to be, if she lived in these modern days

00:42:09.300 to think, oh yeah, this is more important. That's more important. This is more important. No,

00:42:13.100 She just said, even, you know, be it done to me according to your word.

00:42:16.740 And I'm sure she carried that whole philosophy as she raised the Savior.

00:42:20.760 And I'm sure with her other children as well of seeing how important this is.

00:42:25.880 Yeah, just to keep that mindset, you know, that we're doing it.

00:42:29.360 But that doesn't erase that it's hard, that there are times where we're just like, I don't

00:42:34.620 know what else to do.

00:42:36.040 And one of the things I, another little thing that I will say to young moms and God helped

00:42:41.580 me with when I was little is no one needs to be upset, but the baby, you know, God helped me with

00:42:47.420 that too, because sometimes one of the most stressful times is they're upset. They're having

00:42:50.800 the tantrum, they're screaming, they're this, okay, that's them. They need the calmness. And

00:42:56.640 we have to ask God to help us develop that because, you know, you think about our, the Lord,

00:43:03.360 he's not, if we're screaming and having a temper tantrum ourselves, but we're so upset. He's not

00:43:08.500 upset about that. You know, he's still a strong tower and that's what have to be for our children.

00:43:17.420 So that's something that we as finite human beings and mothers have to learn. No one needs

00:43:23.020 to be upset right now, but the baby. And I'm going to do my best to walk with the Lord through this.

00:43:28.760 So. Oh, that is really good because definitely Satan can use those stressful moments, those

00:43:35.780 late night, newborn crying hours to then cause tension between the husband and the wife to make

00:43:43.080 you feel like you're competing against one another rather than on the same team. Tension between

00:43:48.460 siblings, tension between the mom and the sibling. And suddenly everyone's lost any self-control

00:43:54.400 and any authority over the situation. So gosh, that is such, such a good reminder. No one has

00:44:01.880 to be upset because of your children, and your children's emotions are not the boss of your

00:44:07.540 emotions. That is so important. That's right. That's right. And it takes time. So good. When

00:44:13.920 I say that, it's not an easy thing. I mean, these are qualities that the Lord has to build in us,

00:44:18.880 that we have to trust him to make a reality in our lives. But he's faithful to do it. You know,

00:44:24.680 he's so near. He says, draw near. I mean, the scripture says, draw near to God,

00:44:28.720 and he will draw near to you.

00:44:30.020 I think sometimes we just forget how near he is.

00:44:32.660 We think we talk about it in our own minds.

00:44:34.880 We talk about it to other women.

00:44:37.000 We journal about it and how frustrated we are.

00:44:40.580 But God is so near and he wants us to take those things to him.

00:44:44.300 And I know even now in my own life, God always reminded me of that.

00:44:50.040 Always reminding me in terms, just, I don't have to go into detail,

00:44:54.000 but I'm just saying, just in my own life, he's near.

00:44:56.600 and he wants me to call out to him for help.

00:44:59.840 He's attracted to us being weak, you know, in terms of,

00:45:03.840 I don't know what else to do.

00:45:04.840 It's like, you know, in King Solomon and he prays

00:45:07.260 and he just says, I just need wisdom.

00:45:09.180 I'm like a little child.

00:45:10.040 I don't know how to go in or I don't know how to go out.

00:45:12.400 I need wisdom.

00:45:13.720 And God was so pleased with that prayer,

00:45:16.940 that prayer of humility.

00:45:18.360 And so often as moms, we say, I have all these children

00:45:21.920 and I don't, I'm just like a kid myself.

00:45:23.900 I don't know what to do.

00:45:25.080 I need your help.

00:45:26.100 and God will come to our aid. He'll come to our rescue. You know? Yeah. We have a God like that.

00:45:33.480 We have a God like that. Yes. Amen. Amen. Audrey, this was so good and so encouraging. I could

00:45:40.820 just keep on asking you questions as my personal encourager for the day, but I am so excited to

00:45:47.380 hear from you even more at Share the Arrows with Grace Anna and her amazing perspective too. Audrey,

00:45:53.780 thank you so much for taking the time to join us. Well, thank you, Allie. It's so good to be with

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00:47:09.880 Okay. So as we know, there was only one holdout juror who apparently said,

00:47:16.500 I'm not so sure about this whole not guilty for reason of insanity thing. And he is the cause of

00:47:26.560 the mistrial. And a lot of people are very angry about that. And it was assumed during the trial,

00:47:32.540 people got mad at me for assuming this, for not even assuming, deducing this, that the holdout

00:47:38.020 juror was the one saying, ah, I don't think that she's not guilty. I think that she's guilty. And

00:47:43.540 the reason why I was able to deduce that is because of the reaction of the defense attorney,

00:47:47.900 who was so angry about this, um, that he was so angry that she was not about to be that Lindsay

00:47:54.540 was not about to be let off. Well, this lone juror was not just alleviated of his responsibility

00:48:02.780 after the trial ended, but other jurors to have decided to do a press tour talking about this

00:48:09.240 juror and the media has decided to dig into his past. And when I talked the other day about this

00:48:15.660 on Instagram, I got messages and comments from people saying, well, did you hear that he has a

00:48:20.040 bad past, that he has a domestic violence charge against him? Media outlets like CBS and NBC

00:48:26.760 published the details about his past, the domestic violence charges, NBC 10, Boston tracked down the

00:48:33.440 holdout jurors family reporting. One family member described him as a narcissist who she believes

00:48:38.180 should never have served as a juror in such an important case. And their articles trashing him

00:48:43.380 in BC 10 published a video that showed details of their court searchings of him and court records,

00:48:48.080 including charges and part of his name. And he was also doxxed name picture online by influencer

00:48:58.240 journalist on X. So my response to that, to some of your questions, well, did you see that this

00:49:07.180 holdout juror has all of these charges. What do you know about the other jurors? Did they have

00:49:12.120 charges against them? Do you not think it's interesting that only this one person is being

00:49:17.720 dug into? Do you not think it's strange that the media and these other jurors have a campaign of

00:49:23.200 vengeance against this one guy because of his convictions? I think it is horrific what the

00:49:28.860 media is doing to this person. Am I saying that he was some great guy? Am I saying that he has a

00:49:33.860 squeaky clean past and that they're all lying about his reputation. I'm not saying that I'm

00:49:39.520 saying that that's irrelevant and that none of us should know that. I think it's jury intimidation.

00:49:45.080 I think it is future jury intimidation. Say they retry this case. The jurors are going to be sure

00:49:52.360 to come to the conclusion that the media wants. They are going to be sure to answer to not the

00:49:59.320 court of law, but the court of public opinion. They don't want to be doxed. They don't want

00:50:03.540 all of the skeletons coming out of their closet. They don't want what they did when they were 18

00:50:08.220 years old, 25 years old. Now, maybe they're 55 years old to be brought back into the light.

00:50:13.200 They potentially lose their job, damage their relationships, damage their public reputation

00:50:18.200 forever. This is not justice. If the court of public opinion and the media are able to drag

00:50:25.700 you through the mud because you don't come to a conclusion that popular culture tells you,

00:50:31.000 you should come to, then we do not have real justice because you cannot be impartial. You

00:50:37.400 can't be a critical thinker because all you're worried about is your own safety, your livelihood,

00:50:43.360 your family's safety. That's what you have to think about when you're in the jury room now is

00:50:48.220 what is the media going to do to me if I don't come to the conclusion that they want me to come

00:50:52.980 to? I guarantee you that is part of what happened in the Derek Chauvin trial. And I know I just

00:50:57.840 opened a can of worms there, and I'm just going to leave it, and I'm not going to talk about it

00:51:02.800 more. But it is very, very difficult when you're talking about cases like this for the media to

00:51:11.260 not have some kind of, or social media to not have some sort of influence over it, especially

00:51:18.340 when they join in on a campaign after to say that the one holdout juror, the one guy who

00:51:26.560 made a different decision to drag in through the mud. Most people are not committed to like

00:51:34.940 a higher calling or a higher purpose or transcendent justice enough to be able to

00:51:41.940 resist the temptation just to do the safest and most convenient thing. So you want to know what

00:51:49.320 I think about this guy in his past. I think I should know about it. I think none of us should

00:51:54.960 know about it. I think that it should be against the law, what the media is doing. I think it should

00:52:00.880 be against the law, what these jurors are doing, going around and talking about this guy.

00:52:06.060 Like, I know that you might be like, well, first amendment. Okay. Well, their first amendment

00:52:09.740 rights are already inhibited when they're serving on the jury. Like, I think that there needs to be

00:52:15.060 some kind of limitation for afterwards too, especially when there's a possibility that

00:52:19.360 you could have a retrial. Like how can we expect justice in this case when really this is all being

00:52:25.840 decided on TikTok? How terrifying. Regardless of what you think about Lindsey Clancy's guilt,

00:52:31.620 I want you, I'm going to ask you to think objectively for a second, that if you were

00:52:36.180 in this position, that if you were in a different position, say that you were being accused of

00:52:41.700 something. Do you really want idiot TikTok sleuths to decide your fate? I hope not. That's why we 0.99

00:52:49.480 have juries. That's why we have judges. That's why we have attorneys. Like, why don't we just bypass 0.88

00:52:56.580 all of that and let, you know, Cindy Sleuther on TikTok decide whether or not you should go to jail 1.00

00:53:03.420 for life? That's a scary world. I don't want to live in it. Shame on the media. Shame on these 1.00

00:53:10.300 journalists, shame on the people who have trashed him and doxed him. I don't know what he's done.

00:53:17.720 I don't care what he's done. Okay. Because I think on this, that he had a good point.

00:53:23.960 Now the other jurors didn't like what he had to say. And we're going to play some of that. And

00:53:28.940 we're going to play how the media has reacted to the fact that this person is a person of color.

00:53:34.620 Can you believe it? People of color aren't allowed to think critically, according to Gail King. 1.00

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00:54:52.160 take your power back. Okay, so this is Gayle King. She just got to sit with this for a second.

00:55:02.900 It's not one. I'm curious about the jurors themselves because we know it was nine women, 0.98

00:55:08.900 three men. What was the age range? What was the racial makeup? I haven't heard any of that. What

00:55:13.380 WHAT WAS IT?

00:55:15.380 70-ish to 22.

00:55:18.380 AND ONE PERSON OF COLOR AND

00:55:22.380 THEN EVERYBODY ELSE WAS WHITE.

00:55:26.380 A LOT OF THE JURORS HAD

00:55:29.380 CHILDREN.

00:55:30.380 ONE PERSON OF COLOR WAS A

00:55:32.380 PERSON OF COLOR A WOMAN OR A

00:55:34.380 MAN? 0.64

00:55:35.380 A MAN.

00:55:36.380 A MAN. 1.00

00:55:38.380 IS A HOLDOUT JUROR A BLACK 0.75

00:55:40.380 MAN? 0.72

00:55:41.380 black men as a holdout juror? Yes. Well, I have to sit with that for just a second. 0.99

00:55:49.180 Like, why can't she wrap her mind around the fact that your melanin count doesn't have to dictate 0.96

00:55:55.280 what you think? It doesn't have to dictate how you see justice and how you see truth.

00:56:01.140 But of course, as we talked about so much exhaustively, 2020 through 2022, critical race

00:56:07.320 theory, social justice, ideology, intersectionality. Like if you want to know why Gail King felt this

00:56:13.580 way to where she was like, just taken aback that a black man could have a different opinion than

00:56:17.940 her. You got to go back and you got to listen to some of those episodes right after George Floyd

00:56:22.540 died and all of those riots were occurring. And there was just so much craziness, confusion,

00:56:28.560 even within the evangelical church. I mean, we went after that for a very long time on relatable.

00:56:34.060 So if you're confused at all about where that reaction is coming from, you should go back and listen to some of those episodes.

00:56:39.520 Now, listen to how some of these other jurors talked about this guy, talked about this juror who, quote, had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.

00:56:53.980 Top three.

00:56:55.460 We read to him on numerous occasions the definition of reasonable doubt from Judge Sullivan's instruction.

00:57:03.320 he actually said one day in the end well why don't we have the judge come in and read it again

00:57:08.340 and we were like no we have it in front of us we don't need that and we would highlight it and

00:57:16.360 you know so and so this is the definition of reason of doubt but he had the hardest time

00:57:23.560 getting off the fact that lindsey viciously killed her children ah gosh you just couldn't

00:57:30.340 get over that tiny, tiny detail when it came to this trial. Here are some other jurors also

00:57:37.300 talking about this guy who just could not get over the murder, Satu. 0.87

00:57:42.660 He was very arrogant. He really did not take anything that anybody said. He tried to ask a

00:57:51.340 question about the medications. The nurses in the room spoke to that. That was a question that he had.

00:57:58.840 and he just completely disregarded the information that they gave him.

00:58:04.300 The exercise band, out of the bag, grabbed an empty water bottle

00:58:08.820 and tied the band around the water bottle and pulled it.

00:58:14.400 I was shocked. It didn't make any sense to me.

00:58:16.800 We're not in here to play detective or...

00:58:20.220 It's not a game of clue. Like, this is serious.

00:58:23.580 I asked him, why are you doing that?

00:58:26.600 That's a band that was used to strangle a child. 0.99

00:58:28.840 it's disgusting. What? Okay. So this other juror is saying that this holdout juror took an exercise 0.91

00:58:37.580 ban out of the bag and then grabbed an empty water bottle and tied the ban around the water

00:58:42.360 bottle and pulled it apparently to show like, okay, this is what it looked like. I want you

00:58:48.340 to imagine he's, it seems to me, obviously I'm not in the room and I have to deduce some things,

00:58:53.480 but it seems to me like he's trying to show people, don't forget about what happened. Like,

00:58:57.680 don't forget about the kids. And also she assumes that he's dismissing some of the things that the

00:59:03.280 nurses said. Well, by that logic, all of the other people are dismissing what the other doctors on

00:59:10.020 the prosecution side said, maybe he just didn't agree with it. Liberals. And I don't know that

00:59:16.740 everyone on the side of acquitting her or, you know, saying she's not guilty as a liberal,

00:59:21.560 But in general, liberals just have a really hard time with someone disagreeing with them.

00:59:29.060 It's always some kind of nefarious reason behind why we believe what we believe or why

00:59:35.600 someone comes to a different conclusion.

00:59:38.500 I just noticed that pattern a lot.

00:59:40.760 This guy is not given the benefit of the doubt even a little bit when it comes to the very

00:59:45.560 real concerns that he has.

00:59:47.100 But again, my bigger concern here is that they're all gossiping about it.

00:59:51.560 and most people are not strong enough to resist, um, social compliance. Most people just want to

01:00:01.100 be able to check the box of jury duty and go on with their lives. Most people are not willing to

01:00:06.740 risk it all for a higher truth or justice. And that is my concern here. I think it's disgusting

01:00:12.200 what the media is doing. I think it's disgusting what these other jurors are doing. I don't think

01:00:16.620 the law should allow it. And anyone who cares about justice, whatever you think about Lindsay

01:00:21.760 Clancy and her responsibility, you should all be outraged by this. Don't message me and ask me,

01:00:27.160 well, how could you say that you agree with a holdout juror when he's done X, Y, Z in his past?

01:00:34.280 Irrelevant. Irrelevant. Okay. You should wonder why do you even know that information? And is it

01:00:40.800 good that you know it? The answer is no. Very concerned about the future of justice in this

01:00:46.940 country. Very concerned largely because of this concept of toxic empathy that I've written about,

01:00:52.840 that I've talked about very much, that empathy has replaced objective reasoning and certainly

01:00:57.320 has replaced biblical truth and untethered or unsubmitted empathy, empathy that just runs amok,

01:01:04.220 that is not in submission to biblical truth. It leads to unjust and irrational outcomes

01:01:09.740 that leads to danger for everyone, especially for these vulnerable kids that as we have explained

01:01:17.620 today, really become the primary victims of it. All right. That's all we got time for today. We

01:01:22.960 will be back here on Friday with a very important guest, John Cooper. He's got a lot to say

01:01:29.880 and you won't want to miss it. We'll see you guys back here then.

01:01:39.740 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 16, 2026

Ep 1396 ｜ You Don’t Have “Mom Rage;” You’re Just Sinning

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