Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 25, 2026


Ep 1400 ｜ Ex-Psychic： Taylor Swift is on a Mission to Normalize Witchcraft ｜ Jenn Nizza

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witchcraft demons work through witchcraft numerology and palm reading manifesting practices spiritual battle witchcraft prohibition
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Allie Beth Stuckey
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00:00:00 Every time I gave a reading, I was inviting more and more demons into my life and they started to
00:00:06 manifest truer to their evil nature. They never left me alone. I got to a point of such severe
00:00:13 demonic oppression that I was on the brink of destruction. I did not know Jesus. God in his
00:00:21 grace and mercy started to draw me to himself really by calling on the name of Jesus Christ.
00:00:27 in the second of near destruction.
00:00:30 It shocked me.
00:00:31 It completely shocked me.
00:00:44 Jen, thanks so much for joining us again.
00:00:47 The first time you came on, it's been a couple of years now.
00:00:50 Your testimony, I mean, it spread like wildfire
00:00:55 because you are such a talented, God-given talent, but a talented messenger of your testimony
00:01:04 and the truth about spiritual deception. And I'm so glad that you've written this book. It's
00:01:09 called Darkness in Disguise, A Biblical Warning About Spiritual Deception in Our Culture.
00:01:14 First, before we get into the contents of your book, I want to back up for people who might not
00:01:18 remember or might not know a little bit about your story. You were just a child when you were
00:01:23 exposed to things like witchcraft and necromancy. Can you talk about that a little bit more?
00:01:28 Yeah, absolutely. And I just want to thank you for having me on, Allie. I so appreciate that.
00:01:33 When I was a child, I was in a home with my mom and dad and sister, and we talked about
00:01:42 ghosts and we talked about paranormal activity in my home. My great aunt was a psychic. And,
00:01:50 you know, Ali, reflecting through the years that I've been in ministry, I realized that there were
00:01:55 many doors open for me. I was watching a lot of the witchy movies, cartoons. They were loaded even
00:02:03 back then, specifically Disney. So doors were open for me. And I had no spiritual discernment,
00:02:13 which is why I argue that children are extremely susceptible to the spiritual dangers that are out
00:02:22 there. I couldn't have a developed discernment. So I was afflicted by premonitions. And that was
00:02:32 right before I ended up having a tarot card reading, which was the gateway for me that led
00:02:37 me down a rabbit hole of destruction, led me right into divination for years of my life.
00:02:43 And how old were you when you had your first tarot card reading?
00:02:47 Yeah, I was 13 years old and things were very different in 1990, Allie. Things were different
00:02:54 then. There was no TikTok, no Wichita, no Google, no Instagram. We didn't have those things. We had
00:03:03 maybe some psychic commercials, but this was a very intriguing experience for me, a very,
00:03:09 intriguing experience for me. And especially because the stage was already set. I think about
00:03:16 it that, you know, I was a very vulnerable young lady dealing with issues that many teenage girls
00:03:23 deal with today. Self-esteem issues, curiosities, you know, and insecurities. And that's the
00:03:33 vulnerability that the enemy preys on. So without knowing what a tarot card reading really was,
00:03:40 I just knew that it might offer me some answers, something supernatural. And I was super excited
00:03:48 about it. And it was, it delivered. Let me tell you, delivered something.
00:03:54 Yeah. Yeah. You know, you mentioned, I want to go back to one thing that you mentioned that
00:03:59 growing up watching witches on TV and movies, which is considered harmless. Of course,
00:04:06 I remember when I was little watching things like Hocus Pocus on Disney channel, Disney,
00:04:11 when I was little nineties, early two thousands had a lot of paranormal type shows that you could
00:04:18 watch. And then outside of Disney, there's like goosebumps. Are you afraid of the dark? And I
00:04:23 wasn't allowed really to watch these things, but you know how it goes. Sometimes you sneak behind
00:04:28 your parents back or maybe you watch a scene and you regret it and you are scared of it and honestly
00:04:33 I didn't really think that much of it certainly not from a theological perspective but now when
00:04:39 we look at what Disney is putting forward and other outlets and other networks like there's this
00:04:46 a movie called Hexed and the way that I think this kind of movie is different than even the
00:04:52 witchy type movies that we might have watched growing up is that it's presenting witchcraft
00:04:57 and being witch, not as a bad thing, not as like the evil witch from Snow White, but actually
00:05:03 possibly as a good thing, as a neutral thing, or even as a superpower. So I wonder what you think
00:05:09 about that. To me, that seems even more dangerous than watching these kind of ugly, bad witches that 0.98
00:05:16 we were used to when we were kids. You really hit the nail on the head with that one, Ali. 0.98
00:05:22 And I am very outspoken about Hex, perhaps not as much about as as I am about Taylor Swift.
00:05:28 But I've been making videos warning people about Hex.
00:05:31 You have an excellent point that, you know, Satan masquerades as an angel of light.
00:05:37 And I always say that when somebody pictures a witch, they think of this dark, scary figure, kind of like you mentioned in the old Disney movies.
00:05:45 They had that horrific, you know, representation.
00:05:50 But then you take people that were like me. I mean, I would do a reading wearing this outfit sitting across from you. You take Teresa Caputo, the Long Island medium. She looks, you know, nice and innocent.
00:06:07 She's an interesting person, too.
00:06:09 I met her years ago, of course.
00:06:11 But now we take Hexed and we present witchcraft this way, almost like I think of Wicked as 0.81
00:06:18 well with white witchcraft. 0.92
00:06:19 And it makes it very alluring. 0.57
00:06:22 And in the movie Hexed, we meet Charlie, who is a teenage girl who is kind of a misfit
00:06:28 and dealing with these problems.
00:06:30 And then here's this offer of witchcraft.
00:06:33 You know, here's a power for you.
00:06:35 Here's a way that maybe you can control your circumstances, which it is what it's all about.
00:06:41 But Disney will stop at nothing, in my opinion, to constantly glorify, glamorize the demonic
00:06:48 and witchcraft.
00:06:49 They just change it up a little bit.
00:06:52 You said something really interesting right there.
00:06:54 You said that's what it's all about.
00:06:57 You're talking about witchcraft is really about wanting to control.
00:07:01 Can you unpack that a little bit?
00:07:03 Yeah, absolutely.
00:07:05 So what Satan offers us in witchcraft is if you say a spell, if you visualize these, you
00:07:13 know, he has many different tools of divination through witchcraft, psychics, when we look
00:07:17 at Deuteronomy 18, 10 to 12, we'll see those practices there.
00:07:21 Of course, tarot cards, crystals, that you can control your own circumstances, that you
00:07:26 can have power to change things and create things in your life.
00:07:32 Who doesn't want that?
00:07:34 Who doesn't want that?
00:07:35 But that is always what it's going to be about.
00:07:38 You know, I say, Ali, Satan wanted to be God, and he wants you to think that you can be
00:07:45 God too.
00:07:46 And this is so, so convincing.
00:07:49 He makes it convincing, especially like the example you just gave through Hex.
00:07:54 If I think it's okay, seemingly innocent, maybe good for me, I'm not going to question
00:08:01 it.
00:08:01 I'm not going to see it as evil.
00:08:03 I'm going to see it as a solution. Yeah. And you mentioned that when you were a teenager,
00:08:10 you felt as a lot of teenage girls do, there's a time that everyone feels awkward. Everyone feels
00:08:16 left out. Everyone wants to be understood and seen and known and to feel like they have control of
00:08:22 their circumstances. So even without a lot of the social media propaganda that we have today,
00:08:27 you found through witchcraft, through tarot card reading, the thing that you felt like you were
00:08:33 looking for. Talk more about that. Yeah, a hundred percent, because I was given what I believed was
00:08:41 a gift. And what this gift did, which of course it's not a gift, was made me special. It made me
00:08:48 different. And I truly wanted to help people, Allie. I truly wanted to help people, especially
00:08:57 the grieving people, connect with who I believed were deceased people when I was a psychic medium
00:09:02 doing readings that way. The enemy preyed on my compassion, but rose me up. He rose me up.
00:09:09 I didn't have to feel so awkward anymore. I was a psychic medium. People were coming to me.
00:09:16 And I didn't walk around cocky by any means, but it is. It is and it isn't. Do you know what I
00:09:23 mean? You're not presenting it that way in that, oh, look at me, look at me. But that's the feeling
00:09:29 that you have inside. And I did have that feeling inside. And it's very interesting because it's
00:09:35 destructive. Pride is destructive to start. But those people that were coming to me, it became
00:09:41 that they just wanted to be around me because I was a psychic medium. What is she going to tell
00:09:47 me? Am I going to get a reading? Am I going to get a random reading? Let's do lunches. Let's do
00:09:52 dinners. And then when I got together with some of the top mediums on Long Island, I felt seen
00:09:59 and known and special. And that, oh boy, that was extremely deceiving and extremely
00:10:10 destructive in my life. But there it was, this little counterfeit gift.
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00:11:32 So you grew up feeling like you were special, even before this tarot card reading,
00:11:37 you said that you had premonitions, that you kind of felt like maybe I do have some kind of
00:11:42 connection to the supernatural and the tarot card reading. What exactly did that confirm for you in
00:11:48 your mind? Well, what the tarot card reading confirmed for me is that there is something
00:11:55 higher. There is some sort of source of hidden knowledge and it doesn't have to be bad. It
00:12:03 wasn't bad the woman was really nice uh the what i heard in the reading was was okay so maybe this
00:12:11 is just this you know powerful source of wisdom uh answers like i just mentioned the solution right
00:12:23 i always say you know the devil doesn't appear as that red horn red horned cartoonification
00:12:30 forgive me, cartoonification, he will appear as your dream come true, as a healing, as this
00:12:39 counterfeit joy, what have you. So the confirmation for me, again, was that the supernatural is real,
00:12:46 there is a source of power, and I can tap into it too, just like this lady did.
00:12:53 And did you have moments following that when you started doing your own tarot card readings,
00:12:58 and you started doing your own, I don't know if you ever did palm readings or, but readings of
00:13:04 people, did you have some confirmations there where something that you predicted or some insight that
00:13:12 you gave to someone, it really came true? Uh, I would say that was a majority of my readings,
00:13:20 Ellie. I used tarot cards. I used angel cards. I did chakra balancing and I did psychic mediumship
00:13:27 readings. And I will share with you, I'll never forget this. And I've not shared this with
00:13:30 anybody, actually. I did a reading for a couple. And in that reading, you know, the demons masquerading
00:13:39 as their departed loved ones, told me that they were going to get pregnant, and told me around
00:13:45 when they were going to get pregnant. Now, these were people dealing with fertility issues.
00:13:50 Time passes by, I get a phone call, well, it's them, they want to come back for a reading,
00:13:56 because all of that information was correct in the reading.
00:14:01 And after all, even John Edward couldn't tell them that.
00:14:04 So I was a great medium and they wanted to come back to hear more.
00:14:10 And there's a reason why demons make these excellent guesses.
00:14:14 They don't know the future, but they've been observing for ages.
00:14:19 And those demons most definitely knew that those people were talking to the doctors,
00:14:25 hearing the conversations, knowing the times, knowing the schedules, and have done this for
00:14:31 ages. Not a difficult prediction to make on behalf of demons who are intelligent and powerful
00:14:38 creatures. It was not any knowledge of my own, of course, but yeah, a lot of accuracy in the
00:14:44 readings. And most of that accuracy would be in the past, of course, because demons don't know.
00:14:50 But you know, Ali, that's the hook. And then the predictions also can come true by way of
00:14:59 planting these seeds in the mind of the person to fulfill, self-fulfill the counterfeit prophecy.
00:15:09 Wow. And tell me, I want to hear more about demons, because I think that's something that
00:15:15 just a lot of people don't understand, how demons think, how demons work, and how demons work
00:15:19 through witchcraft. But I want to hear how you came to that revelation. And if you got out of
00:15:25 this very lucrative career, this career that made you feel seen and known and famous and powerful,
00:15:30 what hit you that, wow, I cannot keep doing this.
00:15:36 After 25 years of dealing with the demonic alley, every time I got a reading, every time I gave a
00:15:42 reading, I was inviting more and more demons into my life. And they started to manifest
00:15:49 truer to their evil nature. They never left me alone. I would call it chatter. They were always
00:15:56 chattering in my ear. And what happened was, I got to a point of such severe demonic oppression,
00:16:04 I mean, severe demonic oppression, that I was on the brink of destruction. And trust me,
00:16:10 and I was 36 years old, the end of my 36th year, and I did not contemplate anything. I did not
00:16:16 know Jesus. I did not think who can help me, who can rescue me. God in his grace and mercy
00:16:24 drew me to, started to draw me to himself really by calling on the name of Jesus Christ in the
00:16:32 second of near destruction. And it shocked me. It completely shocked me. But you know,
00:16:39 I didn't know the gospel. I didn't know I was a sinner that needed to be saved. I didn't know
00:16:43 that Jesus died on the cross for my sins. I didn't know that by placing my faith and trust in him,
00:16:50 I could be truly delivered out of my bondage of sin and into the light and kingdom of Christ Jesus.
00:16:55 So I became very spiritually vulnerable because I truly didn't understand why didn't I call upon
00:17:01 my spirit guide or my deceased grandmother. So that was a 10 month journey that resulted in
00:17:09 becoming born again after hearing and believing the gospel that was preached to me in a church
00:17:14 one day later on at the age of 37. Wow. And so before that, you were kind of doing okay. I mean,
00:17:23 you were doing well. There were happy moments. You were calling upon your spirit guide. You were
00:17:28 calling upon your ancestors, you felt like they were uniquely guiding you and blessing you.
00:17:32 You were happy. What did that oppression kind of suddenly look like? You must have been very
00:17:38 thrown off and confused. Oh, 3 million percent. I mean, when the oppression started, it came in the
00:17:46 way of anxieties, depression, complete demonic annoyance, I will say, by them constantly talking
00:17:57 to me, you know, just just weighing on me all the time. And my relationships were I mean,
00:18:03 I manifested a relationship that was a complete toxic, utter disaster, completely toxic and
00:18:10 utter disaster. Yeah. And that's, you know, something that is still going on today, of
00:18:15 course, manifestation and the law of attraction. But I did that I made a vision board, and I
00:18:20 manifested this person. And so that was part of the oppression as well. You know, be careful,
00:18:28 not only what you ask for, but who you ask for, you just might get it. And that's exactly what
00:18:33 was happening to me. The more I was invoking demons, the more they were, you know, coming
00:18:38 upon me and so many things, abusive relationships, tumultuous relationships, and a lot of other sin
00:18:45 that came with following the devil, Allie, but I still thought I was a good guy. I thought I was
00:18:53 the good guy. I wasn't evil. I wasn't unholy. I was living in the dark. I was spiritually blind
00:19:01 and I was quickly heading towards the destruction. So when I started to see these, when I started to
00:19:07 see the demons manifest truer to their nature, I simply thought I wasn't doing enough on my end
00:19:15 that I needed to protect myself more with more tools of protection, false tools of protection,
00:19:23 smudging, crystals, imagining white light around myself. It was something that I believed I could
00:19:30 have control and authority over. And now, of course, I know that only Jesus has authority
00:19:36 over demons. They bow down to him alone. But I didn't know that then. And the New Age community
00:19:42 was pushing that out. And I believed every single thing the new age community told me because it was 0.99
00:19:49 an explanation for things. So I managed to not put the two together. When I saw the bad spirit
00:19:59 or the dark thing, I didn't put that together with, it had anything to do with what I was doing
00:20:04 as a psychic medium, because I was doing good and I had a gift and I needed to use it.
00:20:09 Right. Yeah. He says in things there that are so important that one, the demons started kind
00:20:16 of manifesting their true nature. And you had mentioned earlier, um, the biblical truth that
00:20:21 Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So thus far the demons had kind of, um, been trying
00:20:29 to demonstrate that they're on your team, that they're on your side. No, we want your happiness.
00:20:33 We want your success. We're helping you out. We're giving you insight. Of course you wouldn't
00:20:37 have called them demons. You would have thought of them as good spirits, as spiritual guides and
00:20:41 things like that. But then when they started pushing you in toxic directions, when you started
00:20:46 feeling like I can't go on anymore, I think I just want to end this. When you started having
00:20:50 bad relationships, all of these spirits that you probably thought were different spirits,
00:20:55 but you now realize are the same spirits. They're like, okay, let's get her to this place of
00:20:59 isolation and despair and destruction. So we can take her out forever. Of course, that's how that 1.00
00:21:04 spiritual battle and satan works and you found yourself in the midst of that calling out to
00:21:12 jesus this person this god that you had never before ascribed any kind of salvific power to
00:21:20 right yeah absolutely and you know i'm thinking while we're talking it reminds me of so much of
00:21:26 what we're seeing today you know i'm very passionate about addressing this in our culture
00:21:30 And I'm just thinking of the Ariana Grande's and, you know, the Jenna Ortega's and, you
00:21:36 know, and you actually, Perez Hilton, we are witnessing in real time the results of the
00:21:45 demonic servitude.
00:21:47 And so as you, as you put it in my own case, absolutely.
00:21:52 Here's a little something for you, but you see ultimately from Satan, but I'm going to 0.99
00:21:58 end up throwing you in the trash can. 1.00
00:22:00 You know, Satan has come to steal, kill, and destroy, and it will destroy you. 0.99
00:22:05 It's just a matter of time.
00:22:06 I wasn't on, you know, a camera.
00:22:09 I wasn't out there.
00:22:10 But we are witnessing that now.
00:22:12 We are seeing the destruction.
00:22:14 I had the eating disorder as well.
00:22:16 Little by little, what seems so great is going to blow up because it is demonic and it has
00:22:23 nothing to do with Jesus Christ.
00:22:25 It is so scary, honestly, Allie.
00:22:27 And I don't think that people need to be afraid.
00:22:29 The whole idea is that you just have to be aware and come to Christ because he is our protector.
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00:23:47 the gospel though. You started going to church, you heard the gospel, you were saved by the
00:23:53 gospel. And of course you are where you are now by the grace of God, sharing your testimony,
00:23:57 warning people about the dangers of witchcraft and necromancy and how we can see it in ways that
00:24:02 we're not really expecting. And I think people just don't realize one of these aspects is the
00:24:08 demonic activity, that it's not always plain. It's not always obviously causing strife, causing
00:24:15 depression, causing anxiety, causing addiction. Sometimes it's actually giving us what we want.
00:24:20 And yes, even giving insight and wisdom that makes us feel powerful, which makes sense when
00:24:27 you think about the garden of Eden, like eat this and you're going to have knowledge of the
00:24:31 difference between good and evil. You're going to be like God. If you do this, it's the same
00:24:35 kind of thing today. Talk a little bit more about your revelation and you're now growing
00:24:40 understanding of how demons operate, how you think they best deceive people?
00:24:46 Yeah, I think that they best deceive people by presenting as light as they masquerade as light,
00:24:53 they prey on the vulnerability. So they best deceive people by making it look acceptable,
00:25:01 by making it trendy, by making it glamorous. No, we didn't need social media, but social media has
00:25:08 done a great job at being used by the enemy to pollute the minds and souls of many, many people,
00:25:15 especially targeting children, because you know, Ali, it's so easy. Hey, just get a 12-month
00:25:21 forecast, an astrological forecast, because you've been thinking about this particular thing,
00:25:26 and you're wanting to know how it's going to pan out, or you're worried about something. I feel
00:25:31 that I feel that feelings often are what brings people to psychics, mediums, etc. And of course,
00:25:41 the promotion of white witchcraft, you know, it doesn't have to be a bad thing. It can be okay. So 0.99
00:25:47 through the music industry, through cinema, this is what's going on. I would argue that you can't
00:25:54 walk out into a store without encountering the occult of the new age. So just to stay on the
00:26:00 line of your question. Well, you're a teenage girl, you're in CVS, you're going to, you know,
00:26:05 buy some candy or I don't know what teen magazines or what have you. And there are those chakra
00:26:10 candles and they're so pretty. They're green and they're pink and they're pastel colors. And
00:26:15 they're offering you confidence. They're offering you peace. They're offering you joy. What are
00:26:21 teenage girls battling with? Well, how are they going to know that there's something wrong with
00:26:27 a chakra and a chakra candle. So the enemy is using his trickery by disguising it as light
00:26:34 and hiding it in plain sight. That's what he's doing. Yeah. I think that's absolutely true. I
00:26:42 was thinking about like when I was probably preteen, maybe even younger than that, we had
00:26:47 power beads and the power beads were meant to give you certain protections or certain moods
00:26:55 emotions or something like that. I even think about today with essential oils. I'm not saying
00:27:02 all essential oils are bad. I love the smell of eucalyptus and lavender. I think these are derived
00:27:08 from nature, which God made, but you'll see with some essential oils, how almost like a fruit of
00:27:14 the spirit is ascribed to it. Like this is going to give you joy. This is going to cleanse your
00:27:21 mind of any negative thought. This is going to make you a more positive person. And so even
00:27:27 things that in one context can be okay, can very quickly be manipulated into convincing you that
00:27:34 this thing can give you power. And that is so enticing. Oh yeah, that's absolutely enticing.
00:27:42 And it makes me think of the, uh, name it and claim it a little bit, uh, because there we take
00:27:49 some parallels between the new age and we bring it into the church. And so just like you were
00:27:54 stating, even if there are things that you want that are good, right? Or even if you think about
00:27:59 manifesting, speaking something into existence. Well, I'm not trying to put a curse on anybody.
00:28:06 I don't mean any harm. I want to do good things. I just want good things. I want to draw this thing
00:28:13 to myself. And so if I can visualize it, maybe it's health, maybe it's an answer to the health
00:28:20 issue you've been dealing with for many years. Maybe it's a new job, maybe you don't have one,
00:28:25 and you need to pay your bills, right? So there, there is nothing wrong with those things with
00:28:30 those desires, it's where you take them to. And success is not measured by whether something
00:28:37 works, right? Because it works. Manifesting works. And I'm sure even in the, you know,
00:28:44 the prosperity gospel, I'm sure there are going to be times that it works. You can't attribute
00:28:49 truth to that. Just because something works, just because something is successful, you've got
00:28:55 something that you wanted, doesn't mean it's not the counterfeit, doesn't mean that it's godly,
00:29:00 and doesn't mean that it's not, you know, that it's rooted in truth. So we need to go to the
00:29:04 Bible. We need to go to the Bible and test all spirits. That's what we need to do because 1.00
00:29:11 the line is so thin, Allie, even what you just mentioned with the essential oils, the line is
00:29:18 so thin, it can be so convincing. And when we think about the counterfeit that Satan has for
00:29:23 so many things, the word counterfeit means cheap imitation intended to deceive. That's how close
00:29:33 it can look. That's how close, and that's why I'm so concerned about children, because like I said,
00:29:40 they don't have the discernment that we have, and parents have been given a beautiful job
00:29:45 and responsibility by God to pray with them, pray for them, protect them, guard them, read the Bible
00:29:53 with them, and be aware, Allie, of what's going on in our culture. I know many Christians that
00:30:00 were like, hey, what's wrong with a Taylor Swift concert? What's wrong with Lady Gaga, you know,
00:30:07 going to the concert? And, you know, their friends are doing it or what have you. What's wrong with 0.73
00:30:11 those candles, right? Or getting a palm reading or what have you. It's just, we have to be aware
00:30:19 because it's so manipulative. The enemy is so manipulative and he's crafty.
00:30:26 there are people listening who have no clue what you're talking about when you make a connection
00:30:32 between taylor swift and palm reading they're like come on she's a pop star what point are you
00:30:37 trying to make well she's a pop star that's using her platform uh for the enemy she quite honestly 0.79
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00:30:50 destruction because she is promoting and glamorizing new age and occult ideologies and 1.00
00:30:58 practices like karma and especially numerology by the way she's obsessed with the number 13 0.88
00:31:04 and she makes decisions based on this number and she goes to this number for wisdom and she talks
00:31:11 about it openly this isn't some sort of you know she's not hiding out pretending to you know um
00:31:19 be so wonderful anymore and practicing this on the side. She appeared as somebody so innocent
00:31:26 and Christian-like in the beginning. And I really believe that's how the enemy does this,
00:31:30 because then you get your gathering, that you're gathering. Then you get your cult,
00:31:35 if you will, C-U-L-T. You get your platform. You get your followers, right? The Swifties came in. 1.00
00:31:42 And then the darkness starts to come out.
00:31:45 And that is to, of course, indoctrinate masses of people, masses of people.
00:31:53 So it is the same thing.
00:31:57 Numerology, karma, which, of course, is attached to a false religion, doctrine of demons. 0.75
00:32:04 All of this is the very same thing as a palm reading, a tool of divination and witchcraft. 0.64
00:32:10 It's all the same thing. 0.98
00:32:11 And you talked about in the first episode that we did together a couple of years ago,
00:32:15 this idea of like the invisible thread that she talks about, that's like a very new age
00:32:21 concept. Can you break that down a little bit again? I'd be happy to. I actually just pushed
00:32:26 out another video about that, Allie, because it's still going on and we're seeing that
00:32:30 double downed on TikTok. So the invisible string theory is the idea that there is an invisible
00:32:37 string around one of your fingers and an invisible string around another person's finger that is kind
00:32:46 of like your twin flame, the person you're meant to be with. And what happens is that you have met
00:32:52 each other at one point in time. Maybe we were at the grocery store, you know, 10 years ago,
00:32:59 and now life has gone on and we're married and, you know, to other people and whatever.
00:33:04 But now I meet up with you again in the park.
00:33:08 I say, oh, didn't I run into you like 10 years ago?
00:33:11 And wow, you're captivating.
00:33:13 Like, this is so interesting.
00:33:15 Maybe you're my invisible string, the person who I'm fated to be with.
00:33:20 You're really my person.
00:33:23 Now I need to go get a divorce and I need to be with you.
00:33:28 And this ties, like I said, very closely to the twin flame,
00:33:32 ties closely to the twin flame concept. And of course, it is a doctrine of demons, meaning a
00:33:39 teaching of demons and not the Holy Spirit. There is no such thing as an imaginary string around
00:33:45 anybody's finger. And who we marry is not and should not be determined on any sort of demonic
00:33:56 practice. Of course, it's destruction. And you can see that in the way of how it leads to adultery,
00:34:01 divorce, et cetera. And then people just, like I said, they doubled down on it. Social media
00:34:06 doubles down on it. Documentaries will then, you know, re-push it out, you know, maybe on Netflix
00:34:12 with the twin flame and what have you. But that's the idea of the invisible string in a nutshell.
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00:35:58 And it does just speak to kind of all new age ideas that there is a transcendent powerful force
00:36:03 like the new age doesn't deny that. There are spiritual forces. Obviously you believed that
00:36:09 for a very long time. They have the ability to orchestrate events in your life. They have the
00:36:14 ability to give you wisdom and insight, but they're not the thing that's different. Of course,
00:36:19 there's many things by nature that are different than, um, than, than, than God, but is that they
00:36:25 don't set rules for your life. They're not saying this is a standard of morality that you have to
00:36:30 reach. They're not saying this is the way of salvation. It's just the kind of universe
00:36:35 organizing things. If you do the right things, have the right crystals, have the right readings
00:36:40 and all of that, if you have the right energy, if you have good karma, organizing things in your
00:36:45 favor, you could see how that would be very comforting. If you're like, I don't like religion.
00:36:50 I don't want to be a Christian. I don't want to have to give things up. I just want to be able
00:36:55 to manifest what I want. Like you could see how that would be very enticing for someone who calls
00:37:01 themselves spiritual and not religious. It really is just about like the worship of the self and
00:37:08 the focus of the self and almost a spiritual justification for self-centeredness in so many
00:37:13 ways. Oh, 1 million percent. And it affirms sin, right? Because I can't help that I just did that
00:37:22 thing. I'm a Capricorn. So it's not my fault that I acted that way. I need to make this decision
00:37:29 to be with so-and-so because they match up with my love, language, energy, vibe, this, that,
00:37:37 any other thing. So it makes sense why I need to make that decision. Uh, you're never accountable
00:37:44 Allie for anything because you're your own authority. And if the universe is your authority,
00:37:49 which it's not to the new age, or please don't get me wrong. It, the idea is that the universe
00:37:54 will assist you in getting things you want. It's really all about you. You're your own authority
00:38:00 and no, you don't have to be accountable and love is love. And that's the affirmation of sin. And
00:38:05 what does the affirmation of sin really do, right? It just gets people to like you. People will like
00:38:10 you. People don't like to hear the truth of our Lord Jesus Christ because it pushes back on the
00:38:17 sin. Accountability before the Lord is so important, not justifying sin, but being accountable for it
00:38:24 and asking for forgiveness. And it's amazing because there's so much freedom in Christ in
00:38:28 that. But in the new age, what's good is bad and what's bad is good. It's backwards. It's upside
00:38:33 down land, really, you know, opposite land, whatever they call it. So it is appealing,
00:38:40 though, of course, because it comes back to the power and the control. And trust me, Ali,
00:38:45 there are people going through so many things in their life that they want to control. I mean,
00:38:50 for heaven's sakes, not to throw this one in there real quick. But you know, even with
00:38:53 in regards to things that are happening in the world, the Clancy case, right, we saw people
00:38:58 doing astrology charts, trying to figure things out because they have feelings about what's going
00:39:04 on. They want to see justice done. Also, they've been let down some conspiracy theories. So they
00:39:12 want to get to the heart of the matter. And they believe by going to these tools of divination,
00:39:17 getting some sort of instant gratification through demonic tools will give them that.
00:39:21 And of course, it doesn't. It can't provide that at all whatsoever. Anytime something big happens
00:39:28 in the news, I always say this, witches want to weigh in, but you don't necessarily have to be a
00:39:32 public witch. You may be in your own home and you may decide to pull a tarot card that day. And maybe
00:39:37 it's not even about what's going on in the macrocosm. Maybe it's what's going on in the
00:39:41 microcosm of your own life. And you're, you're trying to do the same thing and find out if things
00:39:47 are going to be okay. Will things be okay, et cetera. So again, it comes back to that idea of
00:39:53 control and power. I see that a lot with the manifesting and the vision board that you're
00:40:01 talking about. And you've already drawn the parallel between that. And then also the name
00:40:05 it and claim it. If like, if I sow the seed of faith, if I give enough money, if I pray the right
00:40:09 prayer, then God, he basically has to, he's like a genie in a bottle. This is the formula. He's
00:40:14 going to give me what I want. It's the same thing with manifesting, but it's interesting what you've
00:40:19 said a couple of times, manifesting can work. Vision boards can work. And so can you talk about
00:40:26 how does Satan work through those things to actually give someone the desires of their heart?
00:40:33 Yeah, it's his usual trickery. So by that, I mean, like I made this vision board. I was very
00:40:38 specific with it. I was very specific with my manifesting list. You have to be very specific
00:40:43 with it. And you have to visualize it, stay positive, believe it. Here's what happens.
00:40:49 If something comes along that matches up so closely, so closely, you will believe it was
00:40:58 because of your manifesting, which now gives the practice credibility. So let's say I put,
00:41:05 you know, 10 things on my vision board and I come across, okay, the apartment in Miami or whatever,
00:41:11 right? And five or six things about this particular apartment match up. Not everything,
00:41:18 but I don't need everything because I can justify the things that don't match up.
00:41:22 I just need something to resonate, to give it that credibility. And that's exactly how it is
00:41:28 with readings. The readings, I often give this analogy, a tarot card reading, you're a single
00:41:34 person. The tarot card reader tells you that you're going to meet, you know, the King of
00:41:40 pentacles, brown hair, brown eyes. He's a, he's a earth sign, blah, blah, blah. Cause they will
00:41:44 overlap. Of course, the tools of divination, the ideas, and his name starts with the letter M.
00:41:50 Okay. Now you're out in the dating pool. Well, you're going to reject David. You're going to
00:41:57 reject David. And especially if David has blonde hair and blue eyes, he doesn't match up. So you're
00:42:03 really again self-fulfilling a counterfeit prophecy when you manifest the universe isn't
00:42:10 going to tend to your needs isn't going to be able to give you anything this is idolatry your own
00:42:16 imagination cannot okay but you're invoking demons because now you've stepped into divination you've
00:42:24 gone outside of god's will and boundaries you've taken the desires of your heart and you've put
00:42:29 them out there to sources that are not God, to creation, which we know in Romans 1, we see that
00:42:35 that we, you know, we've traded in people trade in creation for the creator, the creator for his
00:42:41 creation, and gone and made idols out of them. So that's exactly when you do those practices,
00:42:47 you're invoking demons, and demons are powerful, and they can manipulate and plant those seeds in
00:42:53 your mind that you actually believe and give that credibility to the demonic tool, you know,
00:42:59 thereby thinking it's, you know, so does it work? Yes, it works. But it is not because, you know,
00:43:09 demons know the future, the universe did anything for you. It's because you most likely assisted
00:43:13 the devil and followed the seeds that he planted in your mind. And by the way, Satan, I think you 0.87
00:43:21 tell me if I'm wrong, it doesn't seem to me like he really cares about whether or not you say it
00:43:26 was Satan who gave me these things, which most people won't do, or it was me who gave me these
00:43:32 things. I gave me these things. I'm so strong. I'm so smart. I'm so powerful. I'm so in tune
00:43:37 with what my future should be that I was able to manifest these things. I don't think Satan cares
00:43:42 whether or not he gets the credit. He just wants the soul. He just wants the attention and the
00:43:48 glory away from the God, the giver of good gifts, he is perfectly fine with someone thinking they
00:43:53 worship the God of self. It's basically the same thing. Again, going back to the garden,
00:43:59 he convinced Eve that she was going to be like God, convincing her that she will become the
00:44:04 God of self. She will have all this wisdom and power. So some people might be hearing this and
00:44:09 be like, what? It's innocent. I would never pray to Satan. I would never say that Satan gave me
00:44:15 these things. This is just me. It's personal. Satan does not care whether or not he gets the
00:44:22 credit or not. If you're worshiping yourself, he's just as happy. Oh, absolutely. And I think
00:44:28 about the counterfeit again, the counterfeit evangelism, because now then you go out, Allie,
00:44:32 right? You got this thing and it looks good and you don't mean any harm. And this is just your
00:44:37 personal thing. And it's just about me. And now you're telling people about it and you're going
00:44:42 out there. Or maybe you're making a TikTok video about it. See, I did the vision board. I manifested
00:44:47 and look what happened. And it's wonderful. And it has no bad effects on anybody. It's just that.
00:44:52 So you're right. He doesn't need to get the credit for it. He just needs you to do his dirty work.
00:44:57 And he just needs you to believe in yourself. Anything that distracts you from the truth,
00:45:03 anything that gets you away from Jesus Christ, you said it perfectly. He just wants your soul.
00:45:07 you know i see this so much with being a mom of kids and especially my oldest just
00:45:14 getting older and starting to really notice things and you know wanting to be entertained
00:45:20 by different songs people and i just pay such close attention to the lyrics and my parents did
00:45:25 too growing up but that was more like we're not going to let you listen to sexual stuff cussing
00:45:31 and all of that which i'm very glad for those parameters but today i'm listening to music
00:45:36 that doesn't have any of that. It's not explicit, but it's all about like Barbie, for example,
00:45:43 we just like, we're like, we can't do anything, no shows, no music Barbie, because every single
00:45:49 song is about loving yourself and believing in yourself. You have the power. And if you are just
00:45:55 more yourself and you live out your authentic expressions, then you'll have all the power that
00:46:00 you need to accomplish anything that you want in life. And yeah, that's not the same thing as
00:46:05 it's not as explicit as saying something horrible and vulgar, but it is still giving a message to
00:46:14 young, vulnerable girls that instinctively and in our flesh, we want to hear that we're perfect the
00:46:21 way we are. And all we need to do is to think about ourselves more. And then we can accomplish
00:46:25 anything. We can be anything we want to be. And I'm like, no, we're not doing this anymore because
00:46:31 every song prompted a conversation, which is a good conversation. We had some good conversations
00:46:36 about those, about some of those lyrics at first before I realized, but then I was like, you know
00:46:40 what? This isn't even fair that I'm making you try to jump these theological hoops. It was only
00:46:47 like a couple of weeks of listening to these songs that I was like, no, I see why you think
00:46:51 they're fun and they are catchy, but no, because it's laying the exact opposite theological
00:46:56 biblical foundation than the one that I want to be set for her, which is that all of your
00:47:02 sufficiency and strength and wisdom and power is going to come from Christ, not from yourself at
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00:48:22 so talk a little bit more about that that for the parent out there who's like well of course
00:48:29 i don't believe in witchcraft i don't believe in manifesting i don't believe in tarot card
00:48:32 reading i'm not going to allow my child to do that it doesn't always look like witchcraft when
00:48:37 it comes to the things that your kids are consuming though right yeah absolutely i mean
00:48:42 it just looks like something that you were talking about hidden in a barbie movie i mean
00:48:47 nostalgia plays a big part uh it'll be something again that focuses on yourself on the idea of your
00:48:55 heart of love wishing on things like the disney wishing upon a star uh you know and just be you
00:49:02 and unfortunately we're seeing such disastrous things going on in our culture that uh are very
00:49:09 terrifying quite honestly uh that revolves around uh you can you can be whoever you want
00:49:16 And if you're not comfortable with where you are, you can change things about yourself.
00:49:22 You know, I'm tiptoeing around this a little bit.
00:49:24 You can change things about yourself because it's going to come back to that.
00:49:27 Well, you know what that is, Allie?
00:49:28 It's a confusion of identity.
00:49:30 That's what it is. 0.66
00:49:31 So even by puffing young ladies up with the Barbie song, it's all about you. 0.59
00:49:37 It's to puff you up, right? 0.56
00:49:38 And yes, you're right.
00:49:39 We do want to be puffed up in a sense, not in that arrogant way, but we want to feel
00:49:43 secure.
00:49:44 And you're right, that security is in Christ.
00:49:45 But the enemy attacks through identity, sex, gender, weight, hair color, you know, whatever it may be, anything to confuse that person and get them away from having a real identity, a liberating and salvific identity in Christ Jesus.
00:50:05 yeah i think people especially today because we imbibe so much of this like even in the church
00:50:13 like this just self-esteem culture that oh my gosh the biggest problem that women have is not
00:50:18 feeling good about themselves like people just don't want to say that so many of the struggles
00:50:22 that we have is really there they come down to pride they come down to vanity they come down to
00:50:28 just wanting to be in control people get mad at me when i talk about i struggled with an eating
00:50:33 disorder too. When I was in college, yes, there's an aspect of wanting to be in control
00:50:38 and addiction and things like that. But people don't like it when I say, I also just wanted to
00:50:43 look a certain way. I also wanted just attention. I was vanity for me too. Superficiality. Like
00:50:50 we try to pathologize everything into some kind of, you know, diagnosis. And sometimes we just
00:50:56 discount sin. And I think we need to realize, especially like with our daughters, how early
00:51:02 that can start. Of course, they're beautiful. We want them to know they're made in the image of
00:51:05 God, that he fearfully and wonderfully made them and all of those things. But we need to make sure
00:51:10 that they are deriving their confidence from the right places, not from their own power.
00:51:15 Because to me, that's what lays the groundwork for some of this really, really dark and evil stuff.
00:51:22 Yeah, absolutely. It's through our sin that the doors will be open, Allie, too, through our own
00:51:28 sin through our pride. And I'm glad that you called it out for what it is. That's fantastic.
00:51:33 That's part of it, of course. Right. And we know there's a spiritual battle going on. The Bible
00:51:38 is clear about that. I mean, we see that in Ephesians six, we see it second Corinthians 10,
00:51:44 starting in verse three. And when God's talking about the spiritual battle, you know, it's
00:51:48 interesting. The battle really starts in the mind. So once those thoughts, we want to get those out
00:51:52 quickly, right? We want to ask the Lord to govern over our thoughts. The Bible says to take our
00:51:58 thoughts captive and make them obedient to Christ.
00:52:00 So once these thoughts start coming in about ourselves and how great we should be or how
00:52:05 we should look, does that line up with the word of God?
00:52:08 No, that's not where our identity is.
00:52:11 But we've got to start there.
00:52:13 And I think you're making an excellent example by talking to your children and going over
00:52:18 these things with them so that they can understand.
00:52:21 And I pray that more people would hear that and do that as well, because those thoughts
00:52:26 can escalate.
00:52:28 very quickly. And then those thoughts go into your, you know, heart, and then can go into your
00:52:34 actions. And again, the children are so they're so susceptible, really, they're so vulnerable,
00:52:40 honestly. So yeah, absolutely be aware of the battle that's going on and the influence. Because
00:52:48 once you have that door open, whether it's through sin, unforgiveness, witchcraft, divination,
00:52:53 whatever it may be, then you've got to ask the Lord, you know, what doors you have already
00:52:59 opened and then ask him to help you to close them and pray about those things.
00:53:03 Of course, don't let them continue or fester.
00:53:10 One thing you write about that I just want to make sure that we discuss, because this
00:53:14 is something that I haven't thought about a lot, but you talk about really thoroughly
00:53:17 is how Satan can actually work through our thoughts and dreams.
00:53:23 Like there is some debate among Christians, like, can Satan do that?
00:53:27 Does he actually have the power to be in our minds?
00:53:30 Does he have the power over our dreams?
00:53:31 But you've written about his ability to manipulate these things.
00:53:35 So what does that look like?
00:53:37 Yeah, sure.
00:53:38 So let's say I'm in a spiritual, vulnerable place.
00:53:45 You know, maybe something just happened.
00:53:46 And so either, you know, you become physically sick or, you know, weak in some way, then I can be susceptible to, you know, the entities that are hovering around.
00:54:01 The Bible says that the devil prowls around, seeking to whom he may devour.
00:54:05 So if the devil can manipulate them, my thoughts, I'm already in this maybe not so great place.
00:54:11 And it's like, oh, you know, yeah, maybe I'm not good enough.
00:54:14 Maybe it's something about me back to me. Right. Maybe all these things. And then the enemy just has to, you know, give me that that little nudge, you know, maybe maybe control circumstances around me in a sense, you know, manipulate some things that I see something on TV and I'll think it's like a confirmation.
00:54:33 Like, you know, when you get in that position, it can be very bad for you.
00:54:38 He absolutely attacks in dreams, absolutely attacks in dreams.
00:54:44 And we see this commonly with familiar spirits.
00:54:49 Many people have dreams about their departed loved ones.
00:54:53 Now, I'm not saying every dream about a departed loved one is a familiar spirit.
00:54:58 You just may be missing them.
00:54:59 You're grieving.
00:55:00 So you're, you know, your subconscious is bringing that up in the dreams.
00:55:04 However, there are many times where it is a familiar spirit.
00:55:08 And we have seen that.
00:55:11 I hate to be so controversial today, I'll be honest with you.
00:55:15 But unfortunately, we even saw it with, you know, Candace Owens when she had the dream about Charlie Kirk.
00:55:19 And she believed it was Charlie Kirk really talking to her in the dream, really visiting the dead, communicating with the living.
00:55:28 And we know that that is not true. The Bible says that the dead do not communicate with the living.
00:55:33 So the enemy will do that because when we're sleeping, we're in a very, very in that in between state and spiritually, we are susceptible to entities coming in.
00:55:44 And it's really trying to forgive my verbiage, but to get us to come into agreement with lies, biblical untruths, right?
00:55:53 and get us away from Jesus and get us into sin and believing these lies and to affect us during
00:55:59 the day to to shape how we see things, the worldview that we have and affect us physically
00:56:07 and mentally to bring us down even more so that they can affect us even more. It's it's a terrible
00:56:14 hamster wheel, quite honestly. But yeah, I do believe that the enemy can manipulate the way
00:56:21 that we think and again certainly if you give any sort of permission what do i mean by that well 0.99
00:56:27 i went to the bridal shower they were having a tarot card reader there so it's just stupid it's
00:56:33 fun and games i had a reading okay that's that's a demonic door open right there so there you open 0.60
00:56:41 it and then i really do believe yeah the enemy can manipulate what you think about these things
00:56:46 and uh you know uh horoscope people look at horoscopes uh so you know it takes one time
00:56:55 for something to resonate with you that you no longer think it's just fun and games it's not
00:57:00 just entertainment it's not just a movie it takes one time one thing to resonate for you to start
00:57:05 putting your attention there but that is all part of the spiritual battle which is in the mind
00:57:11 Because how we think frames so many things and determines who we're going to listen to
00:57:17 and who we're going to serve.
00:57:19 Even though we don't live under Old Testament law, we can still derive aspects of God's
00:57:25 character and good lasting principles from the laws that he was giving in the Old Testament
00:57:32 and messing around with necromancy, mediums, witchcraft, idolatry was punishable by death
00:57:41 in the Old Testament. So no matter what, we can't say as Christians that it's no big deal.
00:57:46 It was a huge deal. It is a huge deal to God. Not just because, okay, yeah, this is one thing
00:57:54 that you're doing that doesn't align with just solely worshiping me, but also because it was
00:58:00 bad for them. Because he knew the addicting nature of it. He knew the demonic forces behind it.
00:58:06 He knew how destructive it not only is for one person, but an entire people, an entire society.
00:58:13 And you know, it's interesting when we see this prohibition in the old Testament against
00:58:18 witchcraft necromancy, that's if people don't know, that's talking to the dead, that saying
00:58:23 this dead person told me this thing, giving me wisdom and insight, which like you said,
00:58:27 we've seen recently, um, in mainstream discourse, like that is paired with God's prohibition
00:58:34 against child sacrifice. And so there is something that is interwoven with some of the worst
00:58:41 atrocities ever, the degradation of vulnerable children, which is something that you write
00:58:47 about in this book, like children are vulnerable to the consequences of witchcraft in more ways
00:58:52 than one. And God knew that from the beginning, that if you give yourself over to this evil,
00:58:56 you will give yourself over to that evil. And so no matter what, we can't trivialize it and say
00:59:02 it's no big deal. I appreciate you saying that. And if you look in Deuteronomy 18,
00:59:08 right before that little group of divination practices, we see that you shall not offer your
00:59:15 son or daughter as a living sacrifice. And this has been going on for ages, and you're absolutely
00:59:20 right. We are seeing that today in the most gruesome ways, and we are seeing that being
00:59:25 promoted. And it, to me, goes hand in hand with witchcraft. And maybe you're not saying that
00:59:31 you're, you know, giving these children up to Malik or whatever, but that was going on. That 0.88
00:59:36 is what it is. And it is so associated to witchcraft. And yes, we do have to take this
00:59:41 extremely seriously. God wants us to come to him, to come to him alone, to place our faith and trust
00:59:47 in him, not to go outside, not to look for any other source, powers or anything. And trust me,
00:59:54 It is so, again, liberating to surrender the reins that we never had to God who does have them, who has everything in control, who is sovereign over all things.
01:00:08 And he is so loving to give us these instructions in his word so that we would be safe, that we could be protected and get away from that. 0.55
01:00:16 And Christians need to be sober minded, need to get on their posts and really be aware 0.98
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01:01:58 this and they're like, okay, I'm done. I want to get out of this. I am in the midst of demonic
01:02:04 oppression and they keep hearing and seeing videos about deliverance. And there are people
01:02:09 who promise deliverance. If you pay enough money or you say the right things, it's very popular on
01:02:13 social media. You write about genuine deliverance by the Lord versus fake deliverance. So if someone
01:02:19 is in that situation, how can they discern the difference? Well, a real deliverance is you coming
01:02:26 to Lord Jesus Christ, putting your faith and trust in him, believing into the gospel that you have
01:02:32 heard, which is that you are a sinner. You were born into sin. That's the bad news. See, the
01:02:38 gospel is good news. It would just be news, as one of my pastors says, if there was no bad news. The
01:02:43 bad news, we are born into sin. We can do nothing on our own to earn our way to heaven. But Jesus
01:02:51 stepped out of heaven into humanity. He is the son of God. He committed no sin, the perfect sacrifice,
01:02:57 went to the cross to die and take God's wrath for the sins of the world.
01:03:03 And he was buried and raised the third day.
01:03:06 And the Bible says we must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven.
01:03:10 But it's about what Jesus did on the finished cross.
01:03:13 You don't need to go to a person and pay them X amount of dollars.
01:03:17 You need to come and put your faith and trust in Lord Jesus.
01:03:21 Believe him.
01:03:22 Believe the gospel.
01:03:23 Be saved.
01:03:24 Be born again.
01:03:25 That's the true deliverance.
01:03:26 being delivered, rescued, and healed out of the darkness, the bondage of your sin into the kingdom
01:03:33 of Christ and the light of Christ. And you will have an abundant life and an eternal life. Go to
01:03:39 God. You don't have to go to man. What do you think about the ex-witches, the ex-psychics,
01:03:47 the ex-tarot readers? I recently talked about one who was very popular on Witch Talk. Her name was
01:03:54 Alex. And she's now made videos about her repentance and realizing, you know, all the
01:03:59 things that she thought that she was finding in the new age and a witchcraft she has actually
01:04:04 found in their true form in Christ. There seems to be a wave of this going on. What do you make
01:04:09 of that? Yeah, it's really exciting because, you know, you think about how all that we have just
01:04:15 discussed and especially how social media is an outlet for the enemy. Well, it's also a place
01:04:22 where we are coming in and sharing the gospel.
01:04:25 And the gospel is being spread in really quick time,
01:04:29 seconds around the world and podcasts
01:04:31 and all the things that we're watching.
01:04:34 And the gospel is what has salvation power.
01:04:38 So I truly believe that all these people
01:04:41 that are on social media,
01:04:42 we're doing their psychic businesses on social media,
01:04:45 well, they're watching social media.
01:04:47 And maybe that's how the Lord used it for them.
01:04:50 But we are rising up for sure, because, you know, God has the victory.
01:04:55 The devil doesn't have the victory over anything.
01:04:58 So the devil may be trying his best to win souls and use whatever he can use to win people
01:05:04 over.
01:05:05 Right.
01:05:05 But so is God.
01:05:06 God is moving.
01:05:07 God hasn't left his throne.
01:05:08 God is still saving people.
01:05:10 So I praise God for that.
01:05:12 And I look forward to seeing more.
01:05:14 And, you know, we are in the end times since Jesus left, you know, so we're going to see
01:05:19 things ramp up.
01:05:20 I think in certain seasons. And I think this is one of those seasons. I think we've seen a lot
01:05:24 going on in the world that shifted people to a more spiritual, uh, I use the word spiritual,
01:05:29 um, even in regards to, you know, coming to Christ, because we are spiritual beings made
01:05:34 in the image of God, you know, after what happened to Charlie. And, um, we're just seeing
01:05:39 these things happen in the news and in the world that I do believe people are, uh, desiring truth
01:05:46 and salvation and jesus and god is using whatever he uses in their lives including and probably
01:05:54 social media to bring them there amen your book is darkness in disguise a biblical warning about
01:06:01 spiritual deception in our culture this is for christians is for new christians this is for
01:06:07 christians who have been christians for a very long time satan is very clever he who is in us
01:06:14 is greater than he who is in the world. So we can trust in that. As you said, we don't need
01:06:18 to be paranoid. We don't need to be fearful, but we need to be wise. We need to be as wise as
01:06:24 serpents. That's what the Bible commands us to do. And your book is helping us be wise and be
01:06:28 discerning, especially as parents. So Jen, thank you so much. The book is out. It came out September
01:06:34 1st. I appreciate you and your testimony so much. I appreciate you too. Thank you so much for having
01:06:40 me, Allie. God bless you, sister.
01:06:44 We'll be right back.