Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1399 ｜ I Didn’t Expect to React This Way to Patrick Clancy

00:00:00.260 Patrick Clancy, in my opinion, and his new wife,

00:00:04.240 they are not doing themselves any favors

00:00:06.600 by doing these interviews.

00:00:08.060 It is not because I think that they are guilty.

00:00:10.200 It's not because of any character thing.

00:00:12.320 It's because they don't come across well on TV.

00:00:15.980 He does not carry himself well.

00:00:17.560 That's okay, he's not media trained.

00:00:18.980 He doesn't need to carry himself well.

00:00:20.420 He just suffered the death of his three children,

00:00:23.020 the ruin of his marriage.

00:00:24.740 That is a very traumatic event.

00:00:26.080 He doesn't have to carry himself well,

00:00:27.780 but if he's not going to, he shouldn't be on camera.

00:00:29.600 at the same time, I feel awful for him. I am able to look past the initial, like,

00:00:34.780 doesn't look great on camera and say, I think that this person is telling the truth.

00:00:51.880 Hey y'all, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful day,

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00:03:10.120 share the arrows.com. Now that is amazing news, right? That is wonderful news that we are having

00:03:17.040 share the arrows in a couple of weeks. I have really sad news for you. Okay. To start off the

00:03:20.980 day. And I say this a little bit tongue in cheek, although it actually is sad for me. And it is

00:03:26.920 that Greta Gerwig, the same director that directed Barbie has taken over the creation and the

00:03:32.980 directing of the Chronicles of Narnia, or at least right now, the magician's nephew. Now you remember

00:03:39.700 if you've read the Chronicles of Narnia, we read them in school growing up, and I've read not all

00:03:45.200 of them all the way through in adulthood, but I've read several of them both by myself and with my

00:03:51.140 children in the last few years. And they're starting with The Magician's Nephew because

00:03:55.540 it is the prequel to The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. It's the prequel of the series.

00:04:02.020 So there have been new details that have been emerging over the past week as we've looked into

00:04:07.240 what the adaptation is going to look like. A lot of people are upset about this because of the

00:04:13.040 choices that she is making. And I wouldn't even call it an adaptation. It seems to me like a total

00:04:18.260 butchering of what the magician's nephew and the chronicles of Narnia are about. And of course,

00:04:23.580 carving out the spiritual theological gospel significance when it comes to Aslan and when

00:04:29.640 it comes to Narnia. So we're going to dive into that today and talk about why this actually

00:04:35.840 matters. When we take a book to the screen, why staying true to the message, especially the

00:04:40.660 Christian message is not only important when it comes to worldview issues, but it's actually

00:04:45.740 really important artistically. If we miss the theological allegory, then you miss the heart

00:04:50.860 of the story altogether. Also, I told you I would be watching Patrick Clancy on 60 Minutes

00:04:55.860 on Sunday night, and we did watch the parts that you guys are talking about, and we analyzed them,

00:05:02.620 and I've got some thoughts, some competing thoughts on it. And so we'll get into all of that.

00:05:07.940 And then if we have time, we will talk about Millie Bobby Brown. She recently adopted her 0.99

00:05:12.200 second child and the response has been really strange online. Some positive, a lot of weird

00:05:17.180 negativity too. And then that is contrasted to the response to some other celebrities who of course

00:05:23.260 have rented the wombs of other women to bear their children. And then we'll have a Hillary 1.00

00:05:28.260 Clinton inspired lifestyle pitter patter if we have time, but we always have a lot to get to. 0.83

00:05:32.080 So let's just go ahead and get into it. Cause I have a lot to say about my beloved Chronicles

00:05:36.900 of Narnia. If you know me, you know how much I love C.S. Lewis, how much I quote C.S. Lewis.

00:05:42.040 Sometimes I butcher the quotes of C.S. Lewis because I'm trying to just call them to mind

00:05:46.680 spontaneously. And I don't always have them written out in front of me, but his work really

00:05:51.580 exists like in the backdrop of my mind, because I read him first when I was really starting to

00:05:58.760 take my faith seriously in high school. It was mere Christianity. It was screw tape letters.

00:06:04.980 It was surprised by joy. It was the four loves that really just stirred in my heart,

00:06:10.760 not only an understanding of like the basics of Christianity, why absolute truth must exist,

00:06:17.800 why there must be a lawgiver and why the Bible is actually reliable. It really laid a foundation

00:06:23.440 for those things, but it just drew my heart and my mind into wanting to understand Christianity

00:06:29.320 better. I'm so thankful that I was raised in a Christian home, would not trade my evangelical

00:06:34.300 upbringing for anything. I'm thankful for Awana. I'm thankful for going to church two to three

00:06:40.220 times a week. I am thankful that I went to a Christian school, that I hid the word of God 1.00

00:06:45.520 in my heart by assignment and by obligation my entire upbringing. But it really wasn't until I 0.99

00:06:52.120 was a junior, senior in high school, that I started reading deeper the Word of God and then

00:06:58.300 some theological works. I guess you could call C.S. Lewis's books somewhat theological works,

00:07:03.140 although you can't really look at them as exact theology. It's really more the underpinnings of

00:07:10.780 Christianity and faith. And that opened up my world to the intellectual side of Christianity

00:07:17.060 that I hadn't really explored and that changed my life. That changed my life. It changed how I

00:07:22.580 thought. It changed how I spoke. It changed how I wrote. It changed my creativity. And I had always

00:07:28.760 been a reader, but it was reading C.S. Lewis, both fiction and nonfiction that really just deepened

00:07:35.460 my love for the Bible and thinking about the big and complex things of God. And there have just

00:07:42.180 been so many times when I've been reading C.S. Lewis where I'm like, yes, I've had that thought

00:07:47.480 before, but I didn't know how to put words to it. I didn't know how to describe it. And he just did

00:07:53.380 that in such plain language. Now, some of you, I know you're thinking C.S. Lewis doesn't write

00:07:57.820 in plain language. What are you talking about? And yes, just like you, I read C.S. Lewis and

00:08:02.460 sometimes I have to read a paragraph three or four times to make sure I understand what he's

00:08:06.120 talking about, but it's not because he writes in a confusing, complex way. It's because it's so

00:08:11.100 simply profound. And that is certainly true when it comes to the Chronicles of Narnia.

00:08:15.580 When I reread The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe just a few years ago with my then,

00:08:21.560 I think four and a half, five-year-old, we were reading through it every night,

00:08:26.300 took us a while, as you can imagine. There were just so many moments that brought me to tears

00:08:31.260 that on the surface don't seem profound or don't seem sad. But when you understand what he is

00:08:36.680 trying to articulate when it comes to the battle of good and evil, the creation of the earth,

00:08:41.100 the eternal plan of redemption that God is carrying off without a hitch, then those seemingly small

00:08:48.060 and mundane descriptions in the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, they really just, they catch you,

00:08:52.720 they catch you. And C.S. Lewis has an incredible way of doing that. And so I really care about this

00:08:59.440 adaptation. I really care about how people are introduced to C.S. Lewis's work. And I don't think

00:09:05.760 that Greta Gerwig is a good person to introduce you to C.S. Lewis and the Chronicles of Narnia.

00:09:12.420 And I think one of the biggest sadnesses, I guess, disappointments when it comes to this

00:09:19.180 is the casting of Meryl Streep as Aslan. Now, a little bit more on the background of this,

00:09:27.520 let me like fill you in and then we'll talk somewhere about Meryl Streep. So as I said,

00:09:31.580 Greta Gerwig, writer, director. She's very talented. There's no doubt about that. Directed

00:09:37.080 Little Women, directed Barbie. I haven't seen the new Little Women, by the way. I think that's

00:09:40.900 another one. I'm scared. I'm scared. I don't want to watch it because I'm afraid I'm not going to

00:09:44.300 like it. But I have heard some positive reviews from some of you. Barbie saw Barbie. I didn't

00:09:50.160 really have a reaction to it. She's made headlines for creating Narnia as what she describes as a

00:09:55.720 rock opera, a rock opera, okay, in The Magician's Nephew. And she's casted Meryl Streep, as I said,

00:10:02.700 as the voice of Aslan. He is the lion, if you don't know, and he is the creator. He's the one

00:10:08.100 true king of Narnia. He is kind of the Christ character in C.S. Lewis's fantasy series.

00:10:14.940 So Gerwig explained her reasoning behind casting the Devil Wears Prada star, Meryl Streep.

00:10:21.200 I wanted someone who was profound, but not pretentious, who had gravitas, but not morose

00:10:27.560 self-seriousness, someone who could communicate depth and pathos as well as joy and delight.

00:10:33.340 Now, to be fair, I do think as a viewer that that describes Meryl Streep, like one of the

00:10:39.300 most talented actresses. Actually, when I read that description, I'm like, yeah, that does sound

00:10:44.500 like something that if anyone can accomplish that, Meryl Streep can accomplish it. But Meryl

00:10:49.300 Streep is a woman and Aslan is portrayed as a he through this series. And it's important as we'll 0.98

00:10:55.680 get to in a second. Aslan actually seems to be in these stories or in this adaptation, um, a male,

00:11:04.620 he seems to continue to have like this male portrayal. He has actually talked about as he,

00:11:10.260 not only in the books, but also in the movie. So the empire reported on this and said,

00:11:15.820 he is voiced by the one and only Meryl Streep reunited with her little women director.

00:11:22.040 Now, I think there's going to be a lot of guesses about whether or not this is some kind of

00:11:26.600 like message about transgenderism or gender fluidity or feminism. I don't know. I don't

00:11:33.860 know. I mean, it is a strange choice when you think about a woman voicing a male character

00:11:39.120 and continuing to be called male. I don't know if that is the political point that she's trying to

00:11:44.260 make, or if she's just trying to do what a lot of artists do and that's blur lines and do things

00:11:49.520 that don't make sense in a way to say, this is, you know, this is what it means to be creative

00:11:54.600 and beautiful. All right. Let's talk about why this is a problem. Why is it a problem that this

00:12:00.000 incredible actress, this super talented person is voicing this particular character? We'll get

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00:13:37.040 Okay, The Magician's Nephew, as I said, sixth published book in Lewis's series,

00:13:41.140 but is the prequel to Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, follows the characters Diggory and

00:13:45.680 his friend Polly, who are tricked by Diggory's Uncle Andrew into experimenting with magic rings

00:13:50.320 that can transport people between worlds. Diggory and Polly accidentally end up being

00:13:54.920 transported to a new world that is being created, Narnia. They witness Aslan the lion seeing the

00:14:01.140 world into being, mirroring God speaking our world into existence using the logos, which Jesus is

00:14:07.800 called in John 1, to speak the world into existence. The book describes it as follows.

00:14:13.520 In the darkness, something was happening at last. A voice had begun to sing, but it was beyond

00:14:19.840 comparison the most beautiful noise he had ever heard. It was so beautiful that he could hardly

00:14:26.380 Barrett. So that description that we just read actually was an inspiration for Gerwig. That's

00:14:33.540 where she got the idea for the movie to be a rock opera, she said. So this is concept art from the

00:14:40.820 film of Aslan creating Narnia. Greta Gerwig said this, Narnia is literally a world made out of

00:14:47.780 music. It is a world sung to life by Aslan and rock and roll to me felt like a world made out

00:14:54.220 of music. She's also said that Aslan's appearance was inspired by David Bowie. Okay. Interesting.

00:15:01.600 We'll get a picture of David Bowie up and we'll show you what he looks like or what he looked

00:15:06.940 like, which she also explained is the reason she gave him multicolored eyes. Bowie did too.

00:15:12.700 But Aslan's creation song is much deeper and richer than rock and roll. It mirrors the creation

00:15:18.700 described in scripture, not described by David Bowie, where God creates the world out of speech,

00:15:24.440 Genesis 1, 3. And God said, let there be light and there was light. And then John 1, 1, as I

00:15:30.620 referenced a second ago, in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was

00:15:36.140 God. And of course we go on in that chapter to read that the word is Jesus. That's not just

00:15:41.800 something that we are deducing. That is something that we read in John 1. That is a big scriptural

00:15:46.860 foundation for the idea of the Trinity as well. By the way, C.S. Lewis's books aren't just fairy

00:15:52.920 tales. They're not just fantasies. They're allegories. They're retellings, renderings

00:15:58.220 of Christian truths. And this has obvious significance for the creation of the magician's

00:16:04.220 nephew. There was this piece in the New York Times all the way back in 1956 that C.S. Lewis wrote

00:16:11.060 called sometimes fairy stories may say best what's to be said. He said this,

00:16:17.040 why did one find it so hard to feel as one was told one ought to feel about God or about the

00:16:23.280 sufferings of Christ? I thought the chief reason was that one was told one ought to an obligation

00:16:29.400 to feel can freeze feelings, but supposing that by casting all these things into an imaginary world,

00:16:36.380 stripping them of their stained glass and Sunday school associations, one could make them for the

00:16:41.720 first time appear in their real potency. Could one not thus steal past those watchful dragons?

00:16:49.260 I thought one could. So what he's trying to say there is that sometimes being compelled is better

00:16:57.700 than being commanded. Sometimes being emotionally compelled into awe, emotionally compelled into

00:17:07.200 feeling, emotionally compelled into sympathy or sadness or grief or guilt by an artistic depiction

00:17:16.040 or by an allegory is better than being told to feel those things. And I don't think he's saying

00:17:22.300 that we shouldn't be commanded or that the commands are wrong or that it's wrong to read

00:17:26.840 the Bible are wrong to feel convicted by a pastor telling you these things at church, but sometimes

00:17:31.720 it's more powerful to be made to feel those things through story or through allegory rather than

00:17:39.060 through literalism, through commands. So Lewis's goal in writing the Chronicles of Narnia was to

00:17:44.640 have people re-encounter the figure of Christ in a way that would make it real, that would make it

00:17:49.820 new again. And it's not a literal comparison. You can't get out your Bible and read the line,

00:17:55.780 the witch in the wardrobe and find exact cross-references between what the Bible says

00:18:02.200 and this story. And you also can't nitpick it as a theological work. It's not an exact

00:18:07.720 representation of the gospel. It's not an exact representation of Jesus. You have to read it for

00:18:12.760 what it is, which is a fantasy novel with Christian themes underneath, if you're willing to look.

00:18:17.700 In the Chronicles of Narnia, Aslan is the equivalent of Christ, or he's a Christ figure.

00:18:22.420 and the emperor beyond the sea is the equivalent of God, the father and the lion, the witch in the

00:18:28.020 wardrobe, but the first published book of the series, Mr. Beaver identifies him as such. I tell

00:18:33.980 you, he is the king of the woods and the son of the great emperor beyond the sea. Don't you know

00:18:38.760 who is the king of beasts? Aslan is a lion, the lion, the great lion. Of course, Jesus is referred

00:18:46.000 to also in scripture as the lion of Judah. Aslan creates Narnia in a way that highlights Christian 1.00

00:18:53.080 truth and symbolism. Lewis describes Aslan's creation song like this in The Magician's

00:18:57.860 Nephew. Every drop of blood tingled in the children's bodies and the deepest, wildest

00:19:03.160 voice they had ever heard was singing Narnia, Narnia, Narnia awake, love, think, speak,

00:19:08.920 be walking trees, be talking beasts, be divine waters. Aslan says Narnia three times here,

00:19:16.000 I think that this is an echo of the Trinity, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.

00:19:21.900 Of course, they were God as the triune God was all present at the moment of creation.

00:19:28.960 And if you know anything about the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe,

00:19:31.740 Aslan literally sacrifices himself on behalf of the children,

00:19:37.080 and specifically for Edward, who was the stinker that went along with the White Witch 0.86

00:19:42.640 in exchange for something really small Turkish delight and betrayed his own brothers and sisters

00:19:48.420 and Aslan took his place. But then at the end, sorry, spoilers, there was a quote unquote deeper

00:19:55.120 magic that the witch had forgotten about that allowed Aslan to be resurrected and to bring

00:20:00.400 this everlasting winter into the end and make new life. I could get choked up talking about this

00:20:05.260 because it's such a beautiful way, I think, to paint the redemptive story that is represented

00:20:11.200 in Christ. In an essay, The Creation of Narnia, author Joseph Pierce writes of this scene in The

00:20:19.180 Magician's Nephew. We are told instantly in another Trinitarian incantation that wakefulness

00:20:23.780 is to love, think, and speak. The command to love, think, and speak is a reflection of the good,

00:20:28.820 the true, the beautiful. And when Christ tells us that he is the way, he is the truth, he is the

00:20:33.600 life, he is connecting himself with this Trinitarian foundation of all that is real. 0.95

00:20:38.300 and after Aslan's command for creation to come forth, the Narnians come forward and reply

00:20:44.480 and all the beasts and birds in their different voices, low or high or thick or cleared, replied,

00:20:50.000 hail Aslan, we hear and obey. We are awake. We love, we think, we speak, we know. You know,

00:20:56.840 this reminds me of the passage in Romans when we hear that the creation is groaning for its own

00:21:04.940 redemption. Um, and also the passage that says, you know, like if we don't worship him, even the

00:21:10.540 rocks will cry out. It reminds me of the passage, reminds me of the story of Jesus. When he tells

00:21:15.940 the storm to stop, even the winds and the waves obey him. Who is this? The disciples say that

00:21:21.840 even the winds and the waves obey him. So again, you see this parallel here. Um, Josh Nadeau posted

00:21:28.260 on Instagram noting, this is the sword and pencil Instagram account. And I don't know anything about

00:21:34.540 it, but I thought that this was an interesting point. He noted that liturgical, meaning relating

00:21:38.540 to public worship, significance of this particular scene, that song is by definition liturgical,

00:21:44.860 and it can only be truly liturgical if an ordered creation responds. A liturgy, if you don't go to

00:21:51.540 a church that has liturgies, one person says one thing, the congregation says the other thing

00:21:57.020 in response. Josh goes on to say, um, order and authority call out and creation responds in

00:22:05.000 fruitful worship. The act mirrors God's breathing life into mankind to Genesis. Then the Lord God

00:22:12.420 formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils, the breath of life.

00:22:18.040 And the man became a living creature. That's Genesis two seven. And then of course, Aslan

00:22:24.760 is this Christ figure. And that's why that's the really important thing. Why I think it's so

00:22:31.580 important that this is, um, that this character is played by a man with a male voice because Jesus

00:22:39.420 was a real person. Now, of course, this is a fantasy. Jesus wasn't a literal lion and Aslan

00:22:44.660 is a lion. And so I'm not trying to make this too literal, but I think that that is a significant

00:22:52.440 part of the allegory. Like, I just don't think it makes sense. And it causes confusion and it

00:22:58.420 causes some dissonance when you are calling Aslan, he he's clearly a male lion, even in the art that

00:23:03.700 we see, like he, like he is a male lion with a mane. And so clearly it's not even that he's just

00:23:10.100 calling Aslan, he throughout the movie, but it's also that he is depicted even in Greta Gerwig's

00:23:18.000 adaptation as a male lion. And yet you have this very feminine voice. It's a deep feminine voice,

00:23:24.100 but it's a feminine voice portraying him that causes a chasm that I think makes it hard to

00:23:30.340 connect to the allegory that CS Lewis intended, which is the comparison and the parallel to Christ.

00:23:37.080 Um, all right, we'll get into that specific, the Christ likeness of Aslan in just a second.

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00:25:02.120 Chronicles of Narnia, the Pevensey children, who are the main characters, have this exchange with

00:25:07.840 Aslan. It isn't Narnia, you know, sobbed Lucy. It's you. We shan't meet you there. And how can

00:25:13.700 we live never meeting you? But you shall meet me, dear one, said Aslan. Are you there too, sir,

00:25:20.900 said Edmund? I am, said Aslan. But there I have another name. You must learn to know me by that

00:25:26.980 name. This was the very reason why you were brought to Narnia that by knowing me here for a

00:25:32.160 little, you may know me better there. So Lewis goes even further than just giving Aslan Christ

00:25:38.880 like qualities. He actually implies that Aslan is another incarnation of Christ just in a different

00:25:45.140 world. Again, he's not making some like actual theological point adding to scripture there.

00:25:51.440 it's part of the allegory. Aslan's answer of I am in that exchange is an allusion,

00:25:58.460 an allusion with an A to God repeatedly giving his name as I am in scripture. In Lewis's letters,

00:26:06.020 he explicitly states that Aslan was a hypothetical answer to the question of what Christ might have

00:26:11.220 been like in another world, in a fictional world, if he chose to be incarnate. He said this,

00:26:16.780 I have this book, it's called The Quotable Lewis, and it contains a lot of quotes from his

00:26:21.140 letters over the years. He said, if Aslan represented the immaterial deity, he would be

00:26:26.240 an allegorical figure. In reality, however, he is an invention giving an imaginary answer to the

00:26:32.340 question, what might Christ become like if there really were a world like Narnia and he chose to

00:26:39.400 be incarnate and die and rise again in that world as he actually has done in ours. Okay. And so I

00:26:48.780 guess I'm kind of wrong in calling this an allegory because he says right there, actually,

00:26:53.260 it's not really an allegory. He calls it an invention, giving an imaginary answer to the

00:26:58.740 question, what might Christ become in another life, in another world? So all of this means,

00:27:05.580 whether he calls it an allegory or an imaginary invention, all of this means that the implications

00:27:11.120 of casting a woman, Meryl Streep, Du Bois Aslan, go beyond just inaccurate casting or bad casting,

00:27:17.160 whatever you want to call it, or departing from the source material. Since C.S. Lewis's purpose

00:27:21.240 was to have his readers actually encounter Christ in a new way, using the fantasy world to accomplish

00:27:28.180 this, Greta Gerwig's approach strips out the heart of the story, the soul of the story, the purpose

00:27:34.140 for which C.S. Lewis was writing. And it's not really surprising. I mean, Gerwig doesn't have

00:27:39.380 a Christian worldview. She said that she's religious, but she doesn't like the figure of

00:27:44.180 Jesus. Yikes. She said, I'm a theist. I get uncomfortable around Jesus Christ is my Lord

00:27:49.280 and savior stuff. I find that creepy, but I go to church every Sunday. Uh-oh, if you're going to

00:27:55.660 church that doesn't say Jesus Christ is your Lord and savior, the best and most necessary news for

00:28:01.200 any individual in all of history, anywhere to hear, well, then that's not a very good,

00:28:06.600 that's not a very good church. So apparently she believes in God, but it's clearly not the

00:28:10.140 God of the Bible. It's not the God that C.S. Lewis worshipped and that he took great pains to show

00:28:14.840 is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and is responsible for creation, redemption, salvation.

00:28:20.820 I wish that she would actually take his works more seriously as she's reading

00:28:24.280 them and try to get into C.S. Lewis's mind rather than performing some kind of like

00:28:30.020 eisegetical surgery on them to create something that's not there. She's purposefully, I think,

00:28:38.520 blurring and muddying the historical reality of the incarnation of christ by moving aslan away

00:28:43.780 from representing christ and the lion the witch in the wardrobe the climactic scene is aslan as i

00:28:48.900 said being killed on a stone table a mirror of the crucifixion and one of the pivotal elements of

00:28:55.160 this scene is his mane being cut off the white witch i find this so sad do you all remember

00:29:00.340 watching like the 1970s version of the lion the witch in the wardrobe growing up it is so much

00:29:06.060 better, I think, than any of the other like modern adaptations of it. It is so good. And

00:29:11.160 even though the animation to us today seems very simple and rudimentary, like I find that scene

00:29:18.900 really, really powerful when Susan and Lucy are watching him and the main is being cut off and

00:29:25.700 the mice are like trying to tear away the ropes. Like it really is stuck in my mind and in my heart

00:29:31.280 my entire life. It really just communicates how sad the crucifixion was. So the white witch strips

00:29:38.060 him of his mane, and that is what makes him masculine. That is what makes him powerful. 0.98

00:29:44.660 We actually see later in the story, like when he's resurrected, when he comes back and he makes all

00:29:51.020 things new, one of the key moments is that he shakes his mane. And when he shakes his mane,

00:29:56.860 that is a part of his creativity in that moment of bringing new life forward. And so I don't know.

00:30:04.540 I don't think that it's a coincidence that the white witch took away what made Aslan powerful 0.55

00:30:10.980 or masculine or what she thought made him powerful and masculine. And Greta Gerwig is also taking away

00:30:17.300 the masculine elements of Aslan by giving him a female voice. We need like a James Earl Jones

00:30:23.920 in this role. Of course, he's not alive anymore, but I'm sure that there is someone else who could

00:30:29.080 have given us this powerful masculine voice. The element of gender actually was not insignificant

00:30:35.380 to C.S. Lewis. He argued in an essay titled Priestesses in the Church that to refer to God

00:30:41.160 as feminine would be to embark on a different religion. So he says, suppose the reformer

00:30:46.680 stops saying that a good woman may be like God and begin saying that God is like a good woman.

00:30:51.960 Suppose he says that we might just as well pray to our mother, which art in heaven, as to our

00:30:57.400 father. Suppose he suggests that the incarnation might just as well have taken on a female form

00:31:02.780 as a male form, and the second person of the Trinity may as well be called the daughter as

00:31:09.080 the son. Now, it is surely the case that if all these supposals were ever carried into effect,

00:31:14.340 we should be embarked on a different religion. He says, without drawing upon religion,

00:31:21.400 And we know from our poetical experience that image and apprehension cleave closer together

00:31:25.460 than common sense is here prepared to admit that a child who has been taught to pray to 0.93

00:31:29.920 a mother in heaven would have a religious life radically different than that of a Christian

00:31:34.960 child. 0.64

00:31:36.320 He understands that God doesn't do things arbitrarily.

00:31:39.320 He doesn't do things accidentally.

00:31:40.920 He understands that his word, which has been inspired by the Holy Spirit, designates exactly

00:31:45.700 how we should relate to God, that Jesus is an example for how we should pray.

00:31:50.180 Jesus literally says, when you pray, pray like this, our father who are in heaven. That is how

00:31:57.520 God refers to the first person or how Jesus refers to the first person of the Trinity. It is

00:32:03.520 how the first person of the Trinity refers to the son, the second person as a man, as a son, as

00:32:11.400 the God man. This is not exchangeable. And it does speak to this idea and culture that men and women

00:32:19.360 are interchangeable, male and female, husband, wife, mom, and dad, that there are no real innate

00:32:26.680 differences in us, that there's no physical really or spiritual significance and certainly

00:32:33.900 no eternal significance. As we've talked about many times, the difference between male and female,

00:32:40.000 the definition of marriage is between one man and one woman is not just important because of

00:32:45.560 physical procreation, but because of the eternal reality that it represents, the marriage between

00:32:52.060 Christ, who is depicted as the groom, and the church, who is depicted as the bride. We see that

00:32:58.060 in Ephesians 5, that that is the representation that earthly marriage holds, that it is reflective

00:33:05.900 of the eternal reality, the culmination of all of time, which is the marriage between the groom and

00:33:13.280 the bride, Christ and his church. So it's not arbitrary. It becomes a completely different

00:33:18.900 religion, a completely different faith. This becomes a completely different allegory,

00:33:23.960 a completely different imaginary incarnation of Christ, a completely different story with

00:33:34.320 a different meaning and a different purpose. So if you watch this movie, it might be good

00:33:39.760 artistically. It probably will be. There will be good acting. I don't think Meryl Streep has the

00:33:45.480 capability of not acting well, but just understand you are not watching a rendering of C.S. Lewis's

00:33:52.160 work. You are watching something different. You are watching a totally different creation

00:33:56.780 that will have some parts that are similar to The Magician's Nephew, but it's missing its heart.

00:34:02.980 So I really encourage you, especially if you plan to watch this, but whether you do or don't,

00:34:08.700 to read the Chronicles of Narnia yourself. You're not too old to read it, whether you have kids or

00:34:13.940 not. I mean, C.S. Lewis is someone who writes for all ages. And so you will get something out of

00:34:19.500 this much like Lord of the Rings or something like that. You will get something out of this.

00:34:24.440 Even if you are someone who's like, well, I don't read and this is going to be hard. It is going to

00:34:28.520 be hard. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not. It's not going to be like reading Colleen Hoover.

00:34:31.760 Okay. Like it's going to stretch your brain a little bit. It is. It stretches mine. Okay. And

00:34:37.840 I've read it many times, but it's not like the things that we read on social media every day.

00:34:42.500 It opens up another chamber of your brain, which requires more attention span and more

00:34:47.180 understanding and more reading comprehension. It's not something that you can scroll and skim,

00:34:51.380 but that's good. Like our brains need that. We need that exercise. Just like if you don't use

00:34:56.180 your biceps for a long time, it's going to become weak. If we don't use the muscles of our brain for

00:35:00.260 a long time, those will atrophy too. And yet this is part of our thinking capacity, our ability to

00:35:06.000 reason, to understand, to imagine, to create, to write, and to speak as part of what it means to

00:35:12.920 be made in God's image, to be reflective of the God who spoke the world into motion. Okay, so I

00:35:19.160 just really encourage you, read it with your kids, even if your kids don't understand. My kids

00:35:22.960 definitely don't understand all of the Chronicles of Narnia, but we try hard to read above their

00:35:27.240 reading level, especially when it comes to books like this, because I think it expands their

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00:37:00.160 Okay. Patrick Clancy, y'all told you, I would talk about this. We're not going to talk about

00:37:04.180 it for too long. There's not really that much, um, to analyze. If you go on social media and

00:37:10.300 you see any of these clips that 60 minutes posted, all of the comments pretty much are against

00:37:15.900 Patrick. And I will just say like right off the bat. So, you know, you guys know what I've been

00:37:22.660 saying. I think that it's wrong to indict this man. I think it's wrong for him to be flogged

00:37:28.060 in the public square to be tried by the court of public opinion. I actually saw this video going

00:37:34.740 around where this guy is going up to random women. This was in Texas and saying, like,

00:37:39.040 who do you think has done more damage for women, Sidney Sweeney or Lindsay Clancy?

00:37:42.920 and one of the women that I saw say, Lindsay Clancy, she was like, well, yeah, but we don't 0.77

00:37:49.300 know if she did it or not. The court's trying to decide whether Patrick or Lindsay did it.

00:37:55.360 No, I think a lot of people who claim that they've done research on this case, claim that they know

00:38:00.920 about this case, claim to have watched the trial actually mean that they've watched TikTok.

00:38:06.860 That's what I realized is that a lot of these people who have accused me of not watching it

00:38:12.020 because I'm not on the side of accusing Patrick Clancy, haven't watched it themselves. They're

00:38:16.400 not sitting on YouTube and actually watching the unedited trial. They are following particular

00:38:23.240 TikTok influencers who are only showing you snippets of it and then adding their commentary

00:38:28.320 and interpretation and overanalyzing every single expression of Patrick Clancy and the lawyers and

00:38:34.540 things like that to come up with their own conclusions. That's not watching the trial.

00:38:38.760 That is outsourcing your critical thinking to someone else, which I encourage you not to do.

00:38:43.340 Don't outsource your critical thinking to me. Don't outsource it to any other podcaster.

00:38:47.100 Don't outsource it to an influencer. Think for yourself or just say you don't have an opinion

00:38:51.600 on it. Just say that you don't really care enough to research it. Okay. So that's the side that I'm

00:38:58.460 on. Lindsay Clancy admitted to doing this. She admitted to doing this on multiple occasions

00:39:04.340 and her defense attorneys have not accused Patrick Clancy. They have not introduced the

00:39:08.860 possibility that Patrick Clancy is responsible for it. They have not denied that Lindsay Clancy

00:39:14.380 did it herself. The only question is really whether or not she was mentally there enough

00:39:21.880 could understand the consequence of what she was doing in the moment. I think from the witnesses

00:39:28.720 and from the testimony that has come forward from multiple doctors, including the doctors that had

00:39:34.120 been treating her for months. And in some cases for years before she killed her children, that

00:39:39.120 she did not have postpartum psychosis and that she was fully aware of what she was doing when

00:39:45.140 she was doing it because evil exists. Y'all like a mom can kill her children, not because she's

00:39:51.240 psychotic, but because she did something evil and she can do something evil. Even if a month before 1.00

00:39:57.520 she wasn't doing those evil things or wasn't thinking of those evil things. I think people

00:40:01.320 have a hard time grasping with people just doing evil things because people do evil things. We try

00:40:07.280 to pathologize and excuse everything, especially when it comes to hormones, especially when it 0.99

00:40:14.220 comes to women. Postpartum, you attach that to anything and suddenly it becomes like the sympathy

00:40:19.580 case rather than showing women the respect to offer them the agency that they have. And I think

00:40:25.940 she had agency. She was never diagnosed with postpartum psychosis. Okay. So I just want to

00:40:31.640 say all of that before I say what I'm about to say about Patrick Clancy. Okay.

00:40:36.620 Before we even play any of these clips, I just want to give you my take that Patrick Clancy,

00:40:41.200 in my opinion, and his new wife who is pregnant with his child, they are not doing themselves

00:40:48.980 any favors by doing these interviews. That is my opinion. It is not because I think

00:40:54.300 that they are guilty. It's not because of any character thing. It's because they don't come

00:41:00.460 across well on TV. And you might think that that is superficial, but that's what matters. That's

00:41:06.720 about all that matters right now, actually. And that is really what has made the case difficult

00:41:14.520 for Patrick is that he comes across villainy. It's just his look. Like it's just his,

00:41:22.000 the, his angular face. It's just how he carries himself. That is not his fault. He could not help

00:41:27.840 that when he was on the stand talking about this case, but you can help that when you're going on

00:41:33.680 60 minutes and how you help that is by not doing it. You just don't do it. I don't know if he has

00:41:40.040 a publicist, Patrick, you should have a publicist. You should always have a publicist. But if I were

00:41:45.160 the publicist, I know some publicists think, Oh, you know, more media, the better. That's my job

00:41:50.220 just to book. And then I can say, look, I booked this client on this. No, no, no, no. It has to

00:41:57.820 be more strategic than that. Sometimes the most important job that a publicist can do is to keep

00:42:03.260 her client out of the spotlight. And that is what I think should happen in this case.

00:42:07.860 He does not carry himself well. That's okay. He's not media trained. He doesn't need to carry

00:42:12.200 himself well. He just suffered the death of his three children, the ruin of his marriage.

00:42:17.620 that is a very traumatic event. He doesn't have to carry himself well, but if he's not going to,

00:42:22.040 he shouldn't be on camera. Okay. All of that said, that's my opinion there. And then also

00:42:28.160 at the same time, I feel awful for him in these. Like I am able to look past the initial, like,

00:42:35.540 doesn't look great on camera and say, I think that this person is telling the truth.

00:42:41.020 I do. I think he's 100% telling the truth and I feel awful for what he has gone through.

00:42:46.400 and one thing I learned in the midst of this, in the midst of this interview is that I did not know

00:42:52.620 that Callum, the baby was alive for four days in the hospital and that Patrick spent those days

00:43:01.560 with him, just pleading for him to stay alive. Okay. So I would just, I'd say, if you have an

00:43:07.760 initial reaction, like move past that, listen to what he's saying and what this man has gone

00:43:13.860 through before you accuse him of being a part of the murder of his children. Here's thought one.

00:43:19.520 I'm so grateful for those four days that I had with him. And I'm so grateful he hung on.

00:43:29.820 Did you talk to him in those four days? Yeah. Can you tell me anything you said?

00:43:36.080 I said, I'm so sorry.

00:43:42.140 And I got to hold him.

00:43:46.140 I got to lay down next to him.

00:43:50.760 And he died in my arms.

00:43:54.900 During those hours with Callan,

00:43:57.480 Clancy sat and wrote tributes to each of his three children,

00:44:01.340 typing with one hand while he held his baby's hand with the other.

00:44:05.340 He said he was afraid if he didn't write about them, they would be forgotten.

00:44:10.900 That should break your heart.

00:44:13.220 I mean, that is, can you imagine?

00:44:15.160 Most of us can't, thank the Lord.

00:44:16.600 We cannot imagine.

00:44:17.920 But there is no worse pain than that.

00:44:20.780 And also for it to not just be an accident, but for it to be an act of violence and murder

00:44:25.860 by the mother of this child, I mean, I cannot imagine the deep pain.

00:44:32.340 And that is why I think, by the way, it's hard in these moments to come across

00:44:36.560 a particular way, like a, an attractive way on camera, because you're suffering and struggling

00:44:43.980 so much. And you're thinking about like what everyone thinks and all of that. So I don't

00:44:47.280 blame him at all for how he has sometimes come across in interviews, but that moment was so you

00:44:53.240 can just tell he is doing his very, very best to hold it all together. Ross Douthat, he used to be

00:44:59.720 a part of the New York Times, a writer for the New York Times. He's interviewed me. I think he's

00:45:03.380 I think he's very good. Very, very good interviewer. I think he was the right person for this.

00:45:07.900 He asked Patrick about forgiving Lindsay, which really goes with the conversation that we had on

00:45:13.780 Monday. But I thought that this part was interesting. It's not too. I saw headlines

00:45:17.840 that said, you know, killer mom and baby murderer monster. And none of them were accurate. I believe

00:45:26.000 that it was her mental illness that caused that so I shared those words and 0.86

00:45:32.300 I think when it comes to forgiveness I also felt that if I didn't get there I 0.77

00:45:38.840 would be eaten up inside forever do you feel like you failed in some way in this

00:45:45.200 period or do you feel like you did the best you could I think I did the best I

00:45:48.800 could with what I had at the time and I live with the outcome I live with it

00:45:56.000 every day. Has she ever asked for your forgiveness? Um, no, but I gave it to her.

00:46:05.720 Hmm. I think that's interesting. I think it's interesting that she has never asked for his

00:46:11.000 forgiveness. We did hear from the defense attorney that apparently since this one quote unquote

00:46:15.160 psychotic episode, she's been fine. Like she's been sleeping well. She's been mentally okay.

00:46:20.720 apparently she got on the right cocktail of drugs according to him and that's not like your first

00:46:26.300 priority i mean imagine i i just you know what it's like to be married most of you you know what

00:46:32.320 it's like to have children the connection the bond that you have with them now maybe they just

00:46:36.620 haven't had the ability to communicate to each other i don't know everything that's gone on

00:46:40.500 behind the scenes but i'd be writing letters i'd be doing something that would be like my highest

00:46:46.020 priority at that point to be like, I'm sorry. I am so sorry. I wasn't in my right mind, whatever

00:46:52.080 it is. And that apparently she hasn't made that attempt. I think that's terrible. Now, as I said,

00:46:59.080 the reaction online, not good by people who already didn't like him. Um, I'm just going to

00:47:04.980 read you some quotes for what people are saying. There was one TikToker who's talked about this.

00:47:10.320 It was like, Oh, he has no authentic emotion. And then some of the, um, some of the comments

00:47:15.220 underneath it. Yeah. As an empath, I felt nothing. And let me tell you, I cry on this app

00:47:23.640 daily. Okay. Say you have an unhealthy life without saying you have an unhealthy life.

00:47:30.800 Can I just say something? I'm just going to say something that's going to make

00:47:33.800 people upset because why not? Being an empath is not real. Okay. I just want you to know,

00:47:41.320 like that's not an actual thing. I know we're all looking for all the designations to be as

00:47:45.680 special as possible. Like we've moved from just saying I have empathy or I feel empathy or I feel

00:47:52.040 deeply for people to calling ourselves something that sounds like an identity. No, it sounds like

00:47:59.740 some forest creature. It sounds like, uh, like, Oh, you're a scimitar. I'm an empath. It's weird.

00:48:06.880 it's not real it's not real to have that as an identity or a diagnosis okay you can feel deeply

00:48:15.060 you can be a deeply feeling person I think that's real you can have you can be someone who is ultra

00:48:19.820 compassionate that means you are sharing the suffering of other people that is true but this

00:48:26.540 as like a designation for the type of person that you are I don't think it's real and I think

00:48:31.940 that it is an excuse to be led by your emotions. And also it makes you sound like you're a good

00:48:39.660 person without having to do anything for anyone. Like you don't actually have to sacrifice for

00:48:44.560 anyone. You don't actually have to be a good friend. You don't actually have to do the difficult

00:48:49.300 things of helping someone because you're an empath and that automatically makes you sound

00:48:55.220 virtuous, but feeling some way for someone doesn't necessarily make you sound like a good person.

00:48:59.880 And in this case, she's using her empath designation to say, look, I'm so intuitive.

00:49:07.060 I understand people's feelings so much.

00:49:08.920 And the fact that I didn't feel anything for Patrick Clancy speaks to something that's

00:49:12.160 objectively true.

00:49:13.200 That is dangerous.

00:49:15.120 Someone said, why is he low key smirking?

00:49:17.720 Anyone who lost a child, someone else says would cry at the retelling of events.

00:49:22.000 Sorry, don't believe him at all. 0.77

00:49:24.820 Well, you're a woman.

00:49:26.180 I'm a woman.

00:49:27.020 I wouldn't be able to retell it without crying men are not just different kinds of women like

00:49:33.320 they are men and men actually are able to compartmentalize their feelings better than

00:49:37.720 women are they are actually able typically to talk about tragic things without crying in a way

00:49:43.160 that women typically are not women on average cry a lot more than men do that's not bad for either

00:49:49.800 sex it just is what it is and you can see he does almost start crying there there's also something

00:49:54.840 that if you've never been on camera, you might not realize it can have one or one of two kinds

00:50:01.160 of effects on you. And one is that it can immediately make you feel very emotional and

00:50:08.100 like you're going to cry, or it can dry up all of your emotion because you're in adrenaline mode

00:50:14.880 and you're thinking about these lights on, this camera on, this interview watching me,

00:50:18.760 these millions of people watching me, this one particular person watching me and what they're

00:50:22.140 going to think a lot of people get on camera and they can say things that they wouldn't typically

00:50:26.840 be able to say, um, without, without crying. I definitely had to do that. Sometimes I'm telling

00:50:33.480 you about a really, really difficult story. And because I want to be able to get through it.

00:50:38.360 And because I want to be able to explain something to you, I have to like lock into a different part

00:50:44.780 of my brain to be able to explain this in a way that is a little bit emotionally removed from

00:50:49.300 this story and there are times if you've been watching for a long time where i cannot do that

00:50:53.560 i couldn't talk about uh the covenant christian school shooting in nashville a few years ago

00:50:58.720 without sobbing i can't talk about what happened to charlie kirk and the plight of his wife and

00:51:04.080 children without crying but there are some times when we are able to remove ourselves just

00:51:10.080 momentarily from the emotion all the story to be able to speak without crying like that is something

00:51:15.820 that you have to do. And maybe he was doing that in this case. Again, I don't think that he needs

00:51:22.940 to be doing the media rounds right now. I just don't. At the same time, I feel very badly for

00:51:28.920 him. At the same time, I think the people who are judging his guilt or his innocence based on vibes,

00:51:35.480 that's wrong. I don't know why everyone has to put themselves in the place of judge and jury

00:51:41.400 when it comes to something that has a massive, massive implications for someone's life. So how

00:51:48.080 about we just pray for him, pray for his wife, pray for Lindsay Clancy, pray for redemption,

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00:53:25.800 There's Hillary and me making, it looks like sugar cookies. That's what I've always thought,

00:53:30.900 that it was some kind of sugar cookie, um, in the kitchen there. And that is to introduce our

00:53:36.460 lifestyle pitter patter segment for the day. I didn't have time to get to the Millie Bobby Brown

00:53:41.480 story. Maybe we'll talk about that next week. Okay. There's a beige debate, the great beige

00:53:46.320 debate of 2026. It actually has been going on for a very long time is a lot, probably longer than

00:53:53.340 I've had children. But I remember when I was pregnant with my first, this being a conversation,

00:53:57.440 I was at a friend's house. Another friend was there and the other friend said something along

00:54:02.140 the lines of, wow, I'm so proud of you looking around the house. All of your, um, all of the

00:54:08.400 toys are beige. And I remember that us then having a conversation about how the, you know,

00:54:15.480 the colors of like red, green, yellow, orange, and all of those like loud colors when it comes to

00:54:20.380 kids toys are just ugly and they mess up the aesthetic of the home. And now Little Tykes,

00:54:27.680 they have just released what they're calling their cloud collection of toys. Little Tykes

00:54:32.600 said the collection was designed with both children and parents in mind and responds to

00:54:36.700 the growing popularity of neutral design conscious children's products. So keep that picture up for a

00:54:42.900 second. Um, this is brilliant on little tykes part. This is so smart. I guarantee you, this is

00:54:50.640 going to fly off the shelves. You've got this just beige and white, like, um, you know, everyone had

00:54:58.000 that little car that you run around with, with your, with your feet, that the little toy picnic

00:55:04.140 stuff, you've got the wagons, you've got the basketball net and it's all in beige or white.

00:55:10.420 Okay. So I have a couple of different thoughts about this. I know on the one hand, people are

00:55:15.340 going to be like, this is so awful. You're taking away fun and creativity and even the ability to

00:55:22.700 teach colors to kids by making their world so blah. And I can see that. Honestly, I don't think

00:55:31.560 that you should prioritize aesthetics and uniform color coordinating over fun and creativity and

00:55:42.820 learning for your child. I think that that is the Instagramification of our culture,

00:55:47.620 that everything has to look the same and that we claim that colors overstimulate us and everything's

00:55:55.100 overstimulating. I'm like, it's not the colors that are overstimulating. It's your phone.

00:55:59.420 Get off your phone. It's scrolling constantly. That's making you overstimulated. It's not your

00:56:04.020 kids. It's not cooking. It's not being like touched by your toddler. It's not the colors

00:56:08.560 of the toys. It's your phone. Get off your phone. But anyway, so that's one side of the debate on

00:56:15.140 the other side of the debate. The debate. Do I think that this is going to ruin kids if their

00:56:21.540 toys are beige? No, I do not. It's actually the loud colors, the primary colors, the red, the

00:56:30.440 green, all of that, that is new when you think about what children have had access to, to play

00:56:36.560 with throughout history. Most of the time, it hasn't been plastic. It's been nature. Nature

00:56:42.760 is largely beige and green and brown and white. Like if you think of toys that are made of wood,

00:56:50.660 they were all beige for a very long time. And I think that those children who were playing with,

00:56:57.640 you know, the wooden rocking horses back in the 1800s are totally fine. I don't think that they

00:57:03.320 missed out at all just because it wasn't painted, you know, blue and green. So this is what I'm

00:57:09.920 talking about. Okay. This, this is like what things have typically looked like. Okay. We've

00:57:14.620 got these full screens of like what the other kind of Fisher price, little tykes stuff looks

00:57:20.420 like. So you've got the yellow there, you've got this, which let's just be real. They're ugly.

00:57:26.600 They're so ugly. If you spend time trying to curate your space and make it look pretty, 0.98

00:57:31.880 and then you have that in your living room, it's ugly. So I understand why people wouldn't want

00:57:38.820 that. It messes it up. At the same time, there's a conversation to be had about like, does that

00:57:43.940 even really matter. I don't know. I kind of think it does. Maybe if you have a toy room where you

00:57:48.960 have all of your toys in one place and your child really loves like the color, the color pink or the

00:57:54.980 color purple or something, and that is joy inducing, then that's fine. But I think that if

00:58:00.960 you have a smaller place, especially if you have an apartment and you've worked really hard to make

00:58:04.580 it look a certain way, I think it's okay. If you give your child a beige toy, it doesn't mean their

00:58:10.160 life is boring. Like if all of their vibrancy and their creativity and their imagination

00:58:15.620 is coming from their plastic toys, that's a problem anyway. Like you could also, we could

00:58:21.000 also be sending our kids outside. We could also be doing other things with our kids

00:58:25.440 rather than relying on the color of the plastic toys to foster imagination. So I think it's fine.

00:58:32.940 I know people are criticizing this because they like to criticize millennials for being so like 0.75

00:58:37.800 anti-loud color, which I understand. I have liked beige and brown since long before this trend, 0.57

00:58:45.060 I will say. But I think it's fine. I think it's totally fine. Maybe I will also be buying

00:58:51.900 some of these beige toys. But I am interested in what you think about this. Do you think that

00:58:59.120 this is a sad commentary on where our culture has gone? Do you think it's Instagram influencer

00:59:05.580 our culture that is forcing us to buy toys the color of oatmeal? Or do you just think it's the

00:59:12.780 current trend? That's what people are going to do. The kids are going to be fine. A lot of these

00:59:18.920 people, by the way, who are criticizing this, oh, it's so bland. It's so beige. It's so terrible.

00:59:24.000 Like I guarantee they allow their kids to, they allow their kids to, you know, play on their iPad

00:59:30.700 and things like that. That's my bigger concern. My bigger concern is kids on screens, kids not

00:59:35.980 going outside. I don't really care what color your kid's plastic toy is. I think this is brilliant

00:59:42.100 on behalf of little tykes. Um, also if you have, I am someone who likes everything to look nice

00:59:48.220 and clean and kind of uniform, not all beige. I do like color, but neutrals are fine. And I like

00:59:54.260 my, we have one of those Samsung frame screens, you know, and if you have children who are old

00:59:59.720 enough to change that thing, you will walk into horrors your brain cannot even imagine when it

01:00:05.040 comes to the art that they choose. Like the least pretty beige neutral art ever. It's like an

01:00:12.940 explosion of candy. My daughter loves one that it's like pink background and it has all of the

01:00:18.280 different brands of candy. It's the background. Let me tell you that doesn't match the aesthetic

01:00:22.060 of my house, but sometimes you do have to just choose things that bring your kids joy. So there's

01:00:27.000 a balance here. That's what I would say. I don't end on like a hard conclusion. There's a balance

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Ep 1399 ｜ I Didn’t Expect to React This Way to Patrick Clancy

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