Ep 178 ｜ Transgenderism & Child Abuse
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A 7 year old boy named whose mother insists that he is transgender and wants him chemically castrated at age 8 because he identifies as a girl. She also wants him to undergo hormonal sterilization and castration.
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hey guys welcome to relatable happy wednesday hope you guys have had a great week so far
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i have so much that i want to talk about today i want to talk about uh the dad of an abused son
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here in texas potentially losing the custody battle after the mother of this son is pushing
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her child to be transgender i also want to talk about the beth moore john mcarthur drama that
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has been going on over the past few days there's a pew research poll that i want to cover
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there's also this craziness there's this craziness on social media about men being able to this is
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about to be a pg word parent menstruate i want to talk about all this stuff but as i was preparing
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for this there was really only one story that i was able to get through we'll we'll see we'll see how
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far we go let's go ahead and get started on today's episode um i want to talk about this
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is the story that has been dominating really my brain for the past few days and will probably
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dominate this episode who knows we could get through it really quickly depending on how quickly
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i talk because i'm so passionate about it um it is the court case out of texas involving a seven
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year old boy whose mother insists that he is transgender and wants him to be chemically castrated
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uh let us talk about a little bit about this background in case you guys haven't been following
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again this is out of texas this is not california this is not canada this is not happening in the
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uk all the places that you think are more quote progressive than the united states this is happening
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in texas this is happening to a boy named james who is like i said seven years old and he has been
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caught in the middle of a court battle between his parents um let me tell you a little bit about his
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family he has a twin brother named jude their mother who is not actually their biological mother
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by the way she and her ex has been used an egg donor she insists that james identifies as a girl
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has shown an interest in girls clothing and toys for years and has wanted to be called luna she actually
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claims that he first wanted to be called starfire but because she's um you know the responsible parent
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that she is she said that he should be called luna so she says that he wants to be called this name
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of luna this is according to the federalist last year 2018 uh in their divorce proceedings the mother
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has charged the father with child abuse for not affirming james is transgender has sought restraining
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orders against him the father and is seeking to terminate his parental rights she is also seeking
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to require him to pay for the child's visits to a transgender affirming therapist and transgender
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medical alterations which may include hormonal sterilization starting at age eight at age eight
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11 out of 12 jurors ruled in favor of the mother which means right now to keep the status quo with
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joint custody the final verdict apparently will be announced today despite the fact that multiple
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friends multiple friends of the family have affirmed that james behaves like a boy that he dresses like
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a boy and refers to himself as a boy in every single instance that they know of except except when he
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is under his mother's supervision there is a woman by the name of sarah scott whose sons are best friends
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with these boys this group of boys they call themselves the wolf pack uh james whose mom calls him luna like
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we said and and jude younger they're a part of this little group uh she has started a facebook page called
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save james she described herself to the federalist last year as sensitive to allowing james to choose
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his gender and his gender pronouns and she even with that mindset of course that's not the mindset
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that i have or most of you have but that's her mindset she is confident that james identifies
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with his biological sex she said this in a post on this facebook page it's long so i'll just read you
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some excerpts yesterday and this is her speaking i was supposed to testify in the case for the custody
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of james and jude younger unfortunately i was called into the courtroom and dismissed 30 seconds
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later because the judge said that the lawyers needed to rest their case over the past year i have
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observed that james is blissfully happy as a boy he loves to march around outside and yell we are the
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only boy scout troop or i'm the leader of the wolf pack he loves dressing as a superhero and sword
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fighting one day james slipped in some mud and got his clothes dirty he asked if he could borrow some of
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my kids clothes and i could wash and i could wash his i said hang on while i grab a shirt from the
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closet he said miss sarah i don't need a shirt boys don't have to wear shirts if they don't want to
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isn't that awesome and i said yes that is awesome he also likes having his hair cut in a certain way
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but told my son grayson that his mom wouldn't let him get it too short even though he wanted it to be
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spiky james is clearly embarrassed by things that happen with his mom we were all discussing what they
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were going to be for halloween and my boys asked james and he said it's a secret i'm embarrassed
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we immediately changed the subject but there have been many instances like that that is heartbreaking
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she goes on to talk about james's brother jude who is also suffering in the midst of this she
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describes watching him cling to his dad when he's supposed to go to his mom's house telling his dad that
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he doesn't want to go that he wants to stay with his dad jude has also told sarah that things that he
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likes just happen to strangely disappear when he's at his mom's house um like shoes that he got from
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his dad sarah also says that uh she suspects that there's neglect from the mother she says in this
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post in the winter we regularly met for dinner on the thursday nights that jeff had the boys
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they came out of of her home inappropriately dressed for weather and clothes that were ill-fitting and
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not at all warm enough pants that were too tight and short shoes that they couldn't run in and no coats
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even when it was extremely cold truth be told i'm not sure how often she is home the boys told me
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that mom was at work a lot and that their sisters or someone else watched them no parent is perfect
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she says but both boys adore their dad he is firm but gentle never raises his voice and the kids
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respond really well to his authority it was uh the mother who chose this gender this is me talking now
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this it was the mother who chose a gender transition therapist who is exclusively affirming of
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gender transition for children and this therapist herself said in a court file dossier that the only
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time james showed any signs any signs of identifying as a girl or as luna was when his mother was present
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in the appointment any other time any other time he said that he was a boy and that his name is james
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that alone right there shows that he does not suffer from what is called gender dysphoria it's characterized
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by a persistent insistence upon being the opposite sex so from what we can tell it is this mom who
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seems to be suffering from her own psychological sickness and she needs to be put away i'm not afraid
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to say that she needs to be put away whether she goes to prison or whether she uh is put in some kind
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of rehabilitation program uh for mental disturbance she needs to be separated from her child she has
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no business whatsoever parenting these children as horrible as that is this isn't a matter of her
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just having different beliefs than me i would never say that a child should be taken away from their parent
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just because i don't like how they parent it's not just a matter of different parenting methods this is
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a matter of uh of abuse this is a matter of taking away children from a dad who is known by every account
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that we have uh for being loving and able to take care of these boys uh there should be no question
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there should be no question about who gets custody in this case from the information that we have
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this is sexual and psychological and emotional abuse from the mother and there should be no contest about
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this now you may be thinking well ali we don't have the full story there may be more that we don't know
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no all i need to know all i need to know is that uh the mother is encouraging her son to be a girl
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that's all you need to know whether or not he says he's a girl that is wrong even if he insisted that he
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is a girl and wanted to dress like a girl even then sending him to a counselor who has said that she
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would start him on puberty blockers and later hormone therapy before he even reaches the age of 12
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that is abuse why because he's seven years old do you know that the frontal lobe of our brains
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actually doesn't develop until we are 25 do you know how little understanding of anything a seven
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year old actually has outside of just instinct they do have some understanding of course of the world
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and interpersonal interaction and all of that he obviously knows enough to know that he's a boy and
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wants to act and behave like a boy but do you know how uh how small the decision making capacity
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is of a seven year old child uh most seven year olds believe in santa claus uh and the tooth fairy
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and the easter bunny they barely have the mental capability to think about the logistics of a man
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riding around in a sleigh that is pulled by flying reindeer and going into a chimney and dropping off
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gifts like they don't even have the ability to think about the fact that that probably doesn't work
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logistically but you're going to tell me some people are going to tell me that they have the ability to
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decide whether or not they want to permanently and irrevocably harm their bodies by manipulating
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their hormones before they even hit puberty that's what you're going to tell me can you tell me in
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what world that actually makes any sense whatsoever uh they don't have that capacity which means any
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parent who allows this or encourages this even by way of cross-dressing is abusing their child uh they
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are tormenting their child they are confusing their child ask yourselves this liberals who are
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in support of this and not all liberals are in support of this by the way but uh to the liberals
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who are in support of this or who think it's no big deal and they shouldn't really say anything
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why do you hate science why do you hate the human body why do you hate anatomy why do you hate biology so
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much we can have a conversation we can have an honest in good faith conversation about harmful gender
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stereotypes we can talk about boys liking ballet we can agree on that we can agree on it being okay
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for boys to like sad movies or romantic novels we can talk about uh girls liking football or four
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wheeling or transformers we can talk about all that we can encourage a variety of interests but why do we
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have to encourage in that the degradation the mutilation and the abuse of the human body especially
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a child as someone who suffers truly suffers from gender dysphoria which it sounds like this little boy
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james doesn't actually but someone who actually suffers from gender dysphoria is not healed by
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genital mutilation they're not even healed by cross-dressing this is why the suicide rate for
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people who transition from one gender to the other via surgery is 19 times higher than the rest of the
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population and that was a study out of sweden where there is virtually no social stigma whatsoever about
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being transgender they have been given the wrong solution to their problems the only way for any
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sort of healing is via a counselor or a psychiatrist who can help this person make peace with their body
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reconcile with the body that they have it is not compassionate to indulge someone's hatred of their
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own body and again this is outside of the case that we're talking about in just the transgender
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movement in general people who struggle with eating disorders for example often have something called
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body dysmorphia that's not in every case in which someone has an eating disorder but in many cases
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they struggle with something called body dysmorphia so it's different than gender dysphoria but it has
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some psychological similarities they look in the mirror they see themselves as fat even though they're not
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they keep starving themselves or throwing up their food or over exercising as they tell themselves that okay
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in just a few more pounds i'll be fine when i reach a certain weight then i'll be content when i fit into
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a certain size then i'll be satisfied and anyone that has had an eating disorder i had i had an eating
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disorder in in college and it wasn't this kind of thing it was more about control and just a whole
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difficult season that i was going through but i can relate to this in a way anyone with an eating
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disorder can tell you the disorder is never resolved by reaching a certain weight or fitting
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into a certain size why because it is the mind that is struggling it is the mind that needs healing
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not the body that needs changing uh would it then be loving of us if we're going on this example as a
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society or as a counselor or as a friend of the person with an eating disorder to affirm their
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dysmorphia by telling the person suffering that they are in fact fat when they're not that uh would it be
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loving to say yes you are overweight when they're not actually overweight yes there is a little bit
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of a muffin top left that you could probably get off if you worked a little bit harder yes i do
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see a few dimples of cellulite that you could probably get rid of yes you could stand to lose
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a few more pounds when they actually have no pounds to lose to actually make them healthy would it be
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loving or kind to affirm someone in this no of course it wouldn't we all know that it wouldn't
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it would be loving to help them make peace with the body that they've been given and to treat it
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with respect and to be actually healthy the same goes for people with ginger dysphoria no your body
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is not a mistake you were born a female and you are a female it's okay if you don't like to go
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shopping it's okay if you don't like romantic movies it's okay that you like sports all of these
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things are okay and you are a woman you are we know as christians made in the image of god you were
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created purposefully without mistake that is the loving thing to tell someone that is the loving
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thing to do is the right thing to do this goes for any mental struggle that we have if you're wrestling
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with anxiety or fear as your friend i am not going to affirm your paranoia in that i am not going to say
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yes everyone probably does hate you you're right you are really embarrassing you probably will be a
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failure forever everyone probably is out to get you you are going to sound really stupid whenever
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you talk that's not the loving thing to do no i am going to help you lean on god trusting god
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his sovereignty to help you reconcile with reality make peace with reality i don't want your mind to
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be at war with what is true and what is right people who struggle with ginger dysphoria deserve
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compassion and they deserve to get help that actually makes sense we talked about a story last
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week about a former transgender activist in the uk who detransitioned and is raising awareness about
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the hastiness of doctors to transition patients without considering other solutions or uh taking
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into account other mental health problems that they have or that they may be suffering from that can
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contribute to a dysphoric view of their bodies there was this whole study uh not too long ago and this
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professor who conducted the study got dragged through the mud for saying that there actually is a social
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component to what is called rapid onset gender dysphoria in teenagers that it actually happens not
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because they are uncomfortable in their own skin or they want to be the opposite sex but because there
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are these pods online on youtube on social media uh on tumblr whatever it is that kids use these days to
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interact with one another that encourage this idea that they should be transgender this idea that they
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should be queer that they should be gender fluid it's become almost trendy almost uh cool in a way and
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gives them kind of a sense of belonging if they're struggling with adolescence to say yeah i'm transgender
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that is why there is such a strong connection between children with autism often and transgenderism
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it is a disorder of the mind it is a developmental issue often when it happens in adolescence and it's not
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something to be indulged in that is not loving um but unfortunately this is going to happen more and
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more as we begin to see the sad results of people being victimized by the lie that your body is a
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mistake and is at war with who you quote actually are which is the world tells us is just how you feel
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um if you haven't listened to the interview that i did with nancy piercy who is a professor she's author
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of the book love thy body she wrote a ton of other awesome books um i conducted this interview a few
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weeks ago you've got to go listen to this conversation she is brilliant um you can watch
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it on youtube you can listen anywhere you listen to podcasts she explains in her book that the secular
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ethic of the body is a separation of the outer self and the inner self with the inner self and its
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feelings being the the real self and the body simply being a tool for the inner self to use however it
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sees fit which of course is relative and subjective to however whatever your whim is at the moment
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which means that the body has no natural or specified purpose in this worldview in itself
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but rather its purpose is determined by our feelings this applies not just to transgenderism but she
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argues also homosexuality and abortion and hookup culture as well it is the biblical ethic of the
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individual that honors the body as an image bearer of god created purposefully for particular functions
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that are not just good for us physically but right for us emotionally healthy for us spiritually as
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well and it is specifically the christian outlook that further fuse views the body not only as made in
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god's image but also a dwelling place for the holy spirit if you are a believer first corinthians 6 18
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through 20 says this flee from sexual immorality every other sin a person commits is outside the body but
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the sexually immoral person sins against his own body or do you not know that your body is a temple of the
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holy spirit within you whom you have from god you are not your own for you are bought with a price so
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glorify god in your body there is no way to glorify god with our bodies by distorting the body's
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purpose the purpose of the human body and gender and sexuality are so important that god actually
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specifies his will for these things in the very beginning at the dawn of time he wastes no time
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whatsoever saying this is what your body is created for there is a specific function for the body and
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when you go outside of this not only is it a moral according to the only standard setter that we have
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which is the god of the universe um it is also going to end in destruction and despair and pain
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and sadness when it comes to gender which does correspond with sex and has for all of human history by the
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way when it comes to gender genesis 127 says this so god created man in his own image in the image of
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god he created him male and female he created them for the christians for believers in god's word
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end of story end of story when it comes to gender there is no other way to interpret that and no gender
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and sex as i said are not separate sex corresponds with gender and except in rare cases which people are
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suffering from a mental disorder they have always corresponded uh when it comes not just to sex and
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gender but also sexuality god says this at the dawn of time genesis 224 therefore a man shall leave his
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father and his mother and hold fast to his wife and they shall become one flesh and as we know from the
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episode on biblical marriage that i did a few months ago there's a deeper reality to that verse that
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underscores the importance of a marriage being between a man and a woman there is gospel
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significance as i've said many times the male and female marriage is rooted in creation it is
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reiterated in the new testament it is reflected in christ's relationship with the church which is
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representative of the gospel and i'm going to bring this all full circle to the case that we were
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talking about but ephesians 5 28 through 33 says this in the same way husbands should love their wives
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as their own bodies he who loves his wife loves himself for no one ever hated his own flesh but
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nourishes and cherishes it just as christ does the church because we are members of his body therefore
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a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife and the two shall become one flesh
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this mystery is profound and i'm saying that it refers to christ in the church however let each one of
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you love his wife as himself and let the wife see that she respects her husband no christianity
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doesn't base its adherence to heterosexual marriage uh off of a few verses though it would be okay if it
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did but it doesn't it bases its definition of marriage on a mysterious yes yet persistent truth
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that is used as a thread to pull us through the pages of scripture as we see that the bible starts
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with a marriage and ends with a marriage god's definition of sexuality of gender of sex and of
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marriage are purposeful they are fixed they are scientific they are significant they are not meant
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to be manipulated and when they are as we see the result is confusion and chaos and pain this is also
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why by the way it has become impossible to be a leftist and a christian you cannot call yourself a proper
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leftist if you believe in this biblical definition of uh marriage and sex and gender and sexuality you
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just can't you have to pick one this is also why christians uh the time has come and gone for us to be
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able to separate politics from the rest of our lives we can't be apathetic anymore uh we can't be shy
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about it we can't be quiet about this we can't refuse to talk about the so-called controversial social or
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cultural issues because they're awkward for us to discuss and they might hurt people's feelings
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we can't avoid this anymore do you care about your children i know all of you listening who have kids
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do if you care about your children we have to look at what is happening in texas texas to a seven-year-old
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boy not california texas where because of a fear of the leftist mob a judge and a jury are giving a woman
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the right to chemically castrate her son without the consent of his father this is something that
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christians should care about and just because we find our basis for gender and sex and sexuality in
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the bible doesn't mean that we shouldn't be talking about this stuff there is right and wrong end of
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story and if god doesn't exist there is no right and wrong so it doesn't make any sense for us not to
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talk about god when we're talking about issues of morality and this is not just an issue of science
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it is an issue of morality and it threatens all of us not just this family according to the heritage
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foundation last year in ohio a judge removed a biological girl from her parents custody after
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they declined to help her quote transition to male with testosterone supplements the cincinnati
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children's gender clinic recommended these treatments for gender dysphoria when her parents
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wanted to treat her with counseling instead the county prosecutor charged them with abuse and neglect
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while transgender activists and pro-trans doctors compared their decision to denying treatment for
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asthma or even cancer patients that all happened this article says without federal legislation and
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here's where we need to pay attention right now but now the article goes on to say one of house speaker
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nancy pelosi's top legislative priorities the equality act could give the transgender community a vice grip
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over the medical profession it could open the floodgates for lawsuits against doctors who don't fall in line
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with transgender ideology politicizing the medical treatment of gender dysphoria could lead to more
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prosecutions against parents who refuse to aid in the sterilization of their children as more doctors
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recommend that children take puberty blockers at age 11 cross-sex hormones 16 and undergo sex reassignment
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surgeries at 18 parents who resist could face charges of child abuse and lose custody of their children
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go back and listen to episode 115 about the equality act in full later if you are interested about that
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piece of legislation that is the darling legislation of the left of the current democratic party and will
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continue to be pushed for years to come until it is passed the time has come and gone for christians
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to be apathetic the article also goes on to say the american psychological association's manual of mental
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disorders classifies gender dysphoria as a mental illness research shows 75 to 95 percent of children
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with gender dysphoria who go through through puberty without any transgender treatments actually become
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comfortable with their bodies but the transgender movement ignores these statistics aggressively a push
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aggressively pushing for gender dysphoric children to be treated with non-fda approved uses of drugs
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even though side effects can include loss of bone density decline of cognitive ability and infertility
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i've said it before and i will say it again there will come a day when the government run by leftists
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and acquiesced by weak conservatives will come for your kids because you are not teaching them that gender
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is a social construct you are not teaching them to hate their bodies and that they should transition into
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another sex if they feel just a little bit confused when they're seven years old how did this happen
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well a few things uh conservatives are certainly to blame not as much as the left maybe but maybe so
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maybe we're equally to blame uh conservatives gave up on public education surrendered it to the left
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conservatives have given up on social issues and on the belief that god is the foundation for
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conservatism because we think that we'll gain more young people by embracing moral relativism and
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only focusing focusing on capitalism uh godlessness has taken root as we have replaced the god of
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scripture with the god of self and what are the only two values as we've talked about so many times on
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this podcast that the god of self has doing what you want to do and being yourself having uh autonomy
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and being able to do you that's it and if these are your only two values then anything goes morality
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is uh completely relative you are your own god so you are your own arbiter of truth and right and
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wrong and you will employ the powers of the government to ensure that you can live authentically
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and that no one not even a parent is allowed to get in the way it's all connected guys by the way
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this is why i think it's stupid for conservatives to give up on the social issues as if they're not all
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connected godlessness is the basis for ideologies like socialism and communism when you have to
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employ the powers of the government to take care of you and to make sure that you are able to live in
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your morally relative bubble and then you know religious bigots can't get in the way that is why
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communism socialism never exists alongside religious liberty uh there's a group called the kelsey
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coalition that calls attention to how the medical system um surrenders their better judgment when
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treating kids with ginger dysphoria and instead given to uh given hastily to their desire for a
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transition one mom shared her story about her daughter and it's just totally tragic it is hard
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to believe that my once beautiful healthy child now 19 years old is in and out of homelessness
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bearded her breasts amputated and reproductive organs removed and living in extreme poverty
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all just to be her quote authentic self she goes on to explain that her daughter never showed signs
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of gender dysphoria but that she was just struggling in her teenage years as most of us do i don't think
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any of us can say we were completely comfortable in our skin for all of our teenage years and so she
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took her daughter to a counselor uh her daughter was insecure she was anxious um eventually the counselors
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actually suggested that she may have ginger dysphoria because she wasn't comfortable in her skin and she was
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insecure and that she should maybe start on testosterone therapy the mother was skeptical and she was sad but
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she wanted her daughter to be happy to get better to feel whole so she hoped for the best and she told
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the doctors that actually she doesn't think that her daughter has gender dysphoria she thinks that she's
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on the autism spectrum but uh they didn't listen she now realizes this mom what a mistake this all was
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this is what happens when a society is marked by godlessness it makes no sense there is no moral
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standard there is no a cohesive comprehensive logical ethic of the body it has no idea what is right and
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what is wrong science even starts to become subjective it starts to bow to the god of self rather than to the
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god of scripture and you have chaos and this is why christians should not give in this is why we have
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to care about what goes on politically and this is why conservatives can't give up on the social and the
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cultural stuff because it matters it is all connected and this is why yet again it is so hard if not
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completely impossible for someone with a biblical worldview with a christian ethic to also be on the left side
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of the aisle that is not saying that god is going to ask you whether you are on the left or the right
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when you get to heaven i'm not saying that's the standard for salvation of course not jesus has reached
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that standard on our behalf and god transcends politics but i'm saying if you want a worldview that
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makes any sense whatsoever you can't be on the left and a christian at the same time you can't you can't
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believe even a word of genesis if you are going to be a leftist worth their salt that god made them male and
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female and that he created one man for one woman and that is supposed to be the exclusive context of
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sex you can't believe any of that if you are going to be a leftist these days you just can't that's why
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it's impossible okay that's what i want to say about that as you know it's taken up pretty much
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the whole time now let me just say one thing about this beth moore john mcarthur drama because it's
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turned into this thing that i don't think it should even have turned into let me play you a clip
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for your stretches i will say a word and then the three of you need to give a one or a pithy
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response to the word are you like i'm being set up
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that is always the case with todd watch out for him he will try to embarrass you we're gonna start out
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this is this is just kind of touching your toes easy easy setup for you let's begin with an easy one
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how many words do i get you know actually and before you answer this please think carefully this
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time because last time you did a one word association the guy wrote a book about it and
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we don't want that i was thinking of the same word okay go home
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okay so there are very mixed reactions to this i'm just going to be honest with you and i've gotten
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a lot of blowback for this uh from christians christians that i agree with and christians that
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i respect okay let me but let me say before i give my opinion i love john mcarthur i have learned
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so much from him i listen to his sermons very often i read his books i align with him on i maybe
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everything theologically maybe no maybe not everything because we probably disagree about
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the role of the government and things like that but gosh i respect him he's been a faithful
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minister preacher of the word for i think it's over 50 years now i can't even scratch the surface
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in my brain of the knowledge that he has of the bible and i just respect him so much and love
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everything that he has done for the kingdom of god or god has done through him so let me say that
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and on the other hand uh beth moore unfortunately i think has employed some false tactics in her preaching
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of the word um she has also completely completely swallowed the social justice doctrine and is peddling
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critical race theory on her twitter page and befriends people who call themselves christians
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yet are very obviously living in a way and preaching in a way that is uh opposed to the word of god
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like gin hat maker for example um so that's where i stand with this these two people and let me also
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say that i completely agree with john mcarthur about women preaching from the pulpit from the pulpit
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in church i did an entire episode called women in the church that talks about why the bible has
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reserved this specific role of ministry for men there is a reason for it and it's a good reason it's a
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protective reason of women it's not a degrading reason toward women so all of that said i just didn't
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like this clip i just didn't like it i'm gonna be honest with you i heard it i understand john
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mcarthur is known for his very direct responses and saying go home wasn't necessarily bad in and of
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itself i guess just the whole context of everything the game that was being played i know it's been
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played before he said that stephen furtick was unqualified which i also happen to agree with
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um i just didn't like the celebration and the sneering and the laughter it to me it seemed mean
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spirited now i understand people are saying oh why don't you just read the bible the bible is a lot
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more harsh about this maybe you should be upset about the fact that beth moore is leading people
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astray that's a false binary i think that i can rejoice in the bible's specified roles for men and
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women within marriage within the church whatever it was i think i can agree with john mcarthur's reasoning
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and still watch the celebration or listen to the celebration and think oh i didn't really i didn't like
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that i think that there's a better more effective way for rebuke um you can disagree with me
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that's totally fine but gosh some of you have lost your cool over me saying oh i didn't really
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love that it wasn't really my favorite actually when i first saw it or when i first listened to it
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my heart kind of sank and i got a pit in my stomach thinking that's just going to give more fuel to the
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feminist fire unfortunately and it has it has and we can't control that of course we can't control
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responses to the things that we say i just didn't like it i didn't think it was effective
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didn't think it was the right thing to do and the crowd and the reaction just kind of all bothered me
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so that's all i'm going to say now you can disagree with me we can agree to disagree and knowing that
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we agree on the on the issue that actually matters which is the role of men and women within the church
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feel free to message me about that if you have any thoughts on it i've gotten a ton of messages about
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it though from a lot of you who do agree with my reasoning and reaction and a lot of you who don't
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and that's okay to me that's a very tertiary disagreement um okay that's all i have to say
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and i hope that you guys have a great rest of your week but we will be back here on friday with an
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awesome interview as always that you're not going to want to miss so i will see you then