Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 335 ｜ Understanding the Biblical Telos of Gender

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. Today

00:00:16.280 we are going to talk about a very controversial topic. I guess we always talk about controversial

00:00:21.920 topics when you think about it. Today is going to be one of those evergreen subjects, but

00:00:28.320 we are talking about it because of recent events. We're going to question where this particular

00:00:34.480 trend and idea is going, how it's changed, why things have changed, why we are just supposed

00:00:41.680 to repeat the mainstream talking points without any intellectual curiosity or moral qualms

00:00:47.980 or scientific objections at all. And that is the topic of gender and so-called gender identity.

00:00:55.320 Um, so Ellen Page, that was the name that, uh, this person used to hold came out as a lesbian 1.00

00:01:05.220 a few years ago in 2014, and then announced last week a transition into manhood. Uh, Page announced

00:01:13.280 he, they pronouns, and much of the internet was very excited about this. It plot applauded the

00:01:19.940 decision and then proceeded to slam anyone who, quote, dead named Page by saying Ellen rather,

00:01:27.220 uh, than the new name, which is Elliot, or who insisted that transitioning from female to male

00:01:33.420 or vice versa isn't actually something that is possible. Uh, the fact of the matter is, is that

00:01:39.540 we're not, we're told that we're not allowed to even debate this topic. We're not allowed to question

00:01:44.760 it. The popular perspective on sex and gender has completely changed in just the last five years.

00:01:51.540 And already we're not allowed to question it without being accused of being archaic backwards

00:01:57.720 bigots. And that's the reason really, I want to dive into this topic precisely because it is so

00:02:03.360 controversial. And because of the pressure that we're feeling from the culture, uh, we're scared to

00:02:09.480 talk about it. We're scared to say, hang on that. That doesn't make total sense. I don't really

00:02:14.140 understand. That doesn't align with what I know about biology. And this includes some conservatives

00:02:20.100 and it includes, I think a lot of Christians as well. So today we're going to break down a gender

00:02:26.960 theory, the biblical perspective on gender, what Christians are supposed to think about it according

00:02:32.460 to scripture, and also how we should confront it in culture when it comes to, um, what's called

00:02:38.440 personal or preferred pronouns and so-called dead naming and things like that. How are Christians 1.00

00:02:44.940 going to stand out from the world, knowing that we will be called bigots and transphobes and even

00:02:51.580 worse? Uh, let me just say this upfront. And I say this, I I'm speaking to myself as well. I am not

00:02:59.320 chastising you. I'm not speaking, uh, from a place of self-righteousness at all. I am, I'm preaching to the

00:03:07.020 choir here when I say this, uh, if a Christian is not able to say confidently that a man is a man

00:03:14.880 and a woman is a woman, that God made us male and female, as we read in the creation account,

00:03:20.540 then there is no reason to think, uh, that that Christian will stand up for anything else when it 0.86

00:03:26.840 comes to biblical values. If we can't even say the most basic observation of scientific reality

00:03:32.880 and biblical truth, which humans of many backgrounds have known and accepted for all of time for

00:03:39.400 millennia, then we cannot kid ourselves into believing that we will stand up for the gospel,

00:03:44.600 which is far more offensive because it says that without the saving grace of Christ, people are

00:03:49.620 going to hell. If we cannot bring ourselves to say that God made men to be men and women to be women,

00:03:56.720 uh, as we are told in the first chapter of the Bible, then there is not a chance that we will

00:04:03.180 have the courage to stay the far more controversial, far more offensive, far more unpopular truth

00:04:09.220 that Jesus, as he says in John 14, six is the only way truth in life and that no one comes to the

00:04:15.960 father except through him. This is the reason that when people become culturally compromising,

00:04:21.720 they become theologically compromising as well. Why many of your friends who have started

00:04:26.620 to accept worldly dogma on cultural issues like gender eventually probably also stopped believing

00:04:34.280 that Jesus is the only way to heaven? The gospel is the most offensive part of the Bible. It's the

00:04:40.260 most offensive part of Christianity, not the differentiation between male and female, not

00:04:45.360 gender roles, not the definition of marriage, not the defense of life inside the womb, not the defense 0.67

00:04:50.480 of private property and property rights, but the fact that Jesus Christ came to call sinners to

00:04:57.280 repentance. It's good news, obviously. It's gracious news, but it is offensive to those who don't want to

00:05:04.180 believe it and who don't want to accept the fact that they are in need of salvation and sanctification

00:05:11.080 that can only come through Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1.22-24 says,

00:05:16.740 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews 1.00

00:05:24.220 and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ, the power of God and the

00:05:31.180 wisdom of God. So let us not foolishly convince ourselves into believing that it's okay for us to not

00:05:40.640 have a stance or not to be able to confidently speak to the questions in which our culture is

00:05:46.260 floundering in confusion, like what is a man or what is a woman. If we know and can declare the gospel of

00:05:54.260 all things, this is easy. Now, let me say, I know that it's not actually easy and I'm not discounting

00:06:03.720 the difficulty that comes with this subject because it hurts to be criticized. It hurts to push

00:06:10.440 back on someone that you love, whether they disagree with you on gender or whether they identify as

00:06:16.720 transgender. It can be very difficult to engage in these kind of identity-centric conversations,

00:06:23.620 and it's difficult to be castigated as unloving or unkind. I know that. I have been scared to say

00:06:31.560 things, and you have too. Honestly, this episode, I'd rather not do. I would rather not talk about the

00:06:37.320 controversial things that I do, but I see so much need for some kind of clarity, not just in the

00:06:43.320 culture, but also in the church. And I'm certainly not the arbiter of clarity and truth, but I am

00:06:49.420 taking you along the journey with me and seeking truth through God's word that's desperately needed

00:06:54.500 in my own life. And I think that's desperately needed probably in my listeners' lives as well.

00:06:59.740 So I am humbly seeking these things, and I am asking you to come along with me. But I would

00:07:06.200 rather avoid these topics. I am not judging you or pretending to be better or braver than you

00:07:11.520 in approaching them. I have been a coward before. I've been at a loss for words before. I've chosen

00:07:17.680 not to speak about something that I should have spoken about. I've watered down what I actually believe

00:07:23.060 to be more comfortable for unbelievers. I have compromised to my shame. I'm sure a lot of you can 0.69

00:07:29.600 relate to that. If you can't relate to that, then that is awesome. Then I need to be more like you.

00:07:34.820 You are not alone, though, if you have had the experiences, some of the shameful experiences that

00:07:41.680 I have in not speaking up when I should have, not standing up when I should have. But this is a part

00:07:46.220 of sanctification. Thankfully, we have a very patient, very merciful God, growing deeper in

00:07:52.220 knowledge, more confident in our faith, and more courageous in standing for what God says is true.

00:07:57.540 We get to ask the Holy Spirit for both wisdom and boldness, and God is kind enough

00:08:01.920 to give these things to believers. But it is easy. When I say that this is easy, it's easy in the sense

00:08:09.280 that it is simple. It's not complicated. For the believer, it's not even controversial.

00:08:16.160 And when we stand on God's side of things, we should have every reason to be confident and to be

00:08:20.920 assured. Jesus reminds us in Matthew 10 not to fear those that can hurt the body, but to fear the one

00:08:28.240 God who can hurl our body and soul into hell. It is to him and to him alone that we will ultimately

00:08:34.500 give account. So my goal in talking about this very controversial subject, this very sensitive,

00:08:41.020 rightfully sensitive subject, is to be as gracious as possible, to represent the arguments as accurately

00:08:46.620 as possible, and to speak truth lovingly. Now, unfortunately, we know that both secular and

00:08:53.540 spiritual people alike have the tendency sometimes to define love and loving as simply agreeing with a

00:09:01.880 person or agreeing with every progressive stance on cultural, theological, political issues. And they

00:09:08.160 have the tendency to define humility as being agnostic about issues, saying, oh, I don't really know my

00:09:14.080 stance on this controversial issue. So I'm just going to pretend like I don't have an opinion on

00:09:20.280 it. And when we don't know, of course, it's okay to say we don't actually know your stance on that.

00:09:27.060 I'm still learning that. That is fine to have that answer. We can admit that. There are many things I

00:09:31.220 don't know that I'm still learning about. There are things that I thought I knew and didn't actually

00:09:35.420 know. There are things we get wrong. I'm not talking about having a blinding arrogance about these

00:09:40.640 things. I'm talking about a confidence in truth that comes not from ourselves, but from Christ,

00:09:45.880 especially when it comes to something as fundamental and as basic as what is a male and what is a female.

00:09:51.860 Many people are very uncomfortable with watching or listening to other people stand against the

00:09:58.660 mainstream and confidently say, no, no, no, no. That's not how that goes. That is a lie. This is truth,

00:10:05.340 not my truth, but the truth. I'm not confused on this one. I'm not undecided about it. I won't be

00:10:11.360 fooled. I won't go with the flow. I won't repeat your talking points. I won't be intimidated by your

00:10:15.780 name calling. People don't like to hear other people standing against the mainstream and saying

00:10:21.000 these things, saying I won't be bullied into compliance. I'm not going to be bullied into

00:10:25.720 believing that it is hate to believe and speak that which God says is true. I will choose to love my

00:10:31.040 neighbor how God tells me to love my neighbor and not how culture tells me to love my neighbor

00:10:35.320 because God is love and truth and we can neither out love nor out truth God. So as long as I'm

00:10:41.660 following him and submitting to his authority, there's nothing the world can say or do to change my

00:10:46.760 mind. People don't like to hear a Christian say that. They don't. It makes them uncomfortable.

00:10:52.260 They'll call you judgmental. They'll say your tone is off. They'll say that you lack nuance. They don't

00:10:58.360 like that. They want you to be agnostic. They want you to be mushy. They want you to pretend like you 0.96

00:11:02.100 don't really know. They want you to go with the flow. They're more comfortable with cowardice than

00:11:07.060 they are with courage. As Martin Luther said, peace if possible, truth at all costs. All truth is God's

00:11:15.360 truth. That means natural truth, scientific truth, mathematical truth, philosophical truth,

00:11:20.060 moral truth, theological truth. All that is true, God authored it. He is the source of it.

00:11:25.360 Nothing that is true will ever contradict God and his word. Therefore, the pursuit of God is the pursuit

00:11:31.960 of truth. Love of God is the love of truth. Love of truth very often leads to a love of God, though

00:11:40.280 people can be right about a lot of things intellectually and never actually know God with their heart. You

00:11:46.140 can know a lot of truth and still not know God, but you cannot love God and not love truth. Truth is

00:11:52.780 what grounds us. It keeps us sane. If you'll remember, if you've read 1984, the last segment of

00:11:58.460 1984, when Winston is finally being tortured by O'Brien in an attempt to make him submissive to the

00:12:05.480 party and to Big Brother, the goal is to convince Winston that no independent reality exists. That is

00:12:11.780 what ensures his total submission and fidelity to the party and to Big Brother. Truth, he must believe,

00:12:19.940 at the end of this torturing is given by the party. Words are defined by the party. History is created

00:12:26.400 by the party. That's the people in power, if you don't know. Memories are constructed by the party

00:12:31.560 in this world. Morality is made by the party. Logic is under the authority of the party. Math is decided

00:12:38.060 by the party. If the party says, if Big Brother says that yesterday in 1984, they were at war with East 0.59

00:12:45.780 Asia, but today the party says they've always been at war with Eurasia, then they've always been at war

00:12:51.100 with Eurasia. It doesn't matter what you think you remember yesterday because no reality exists outside

00:12:55.340 of what they tell you. If the party says war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength,

00:13:01.180 then they are. If the party in 1984 says that two plus two equals five, then it does. Nothing can be

00:13:08.340 independently proven in this world because the party's control is complete, even over your mind.

00:13:12.840 That is the final stage of totalitarianism. The Italian fascist dictator Mussolini defined

00:13:18.600 totalitarianism as, quote, everything within the state, nothing outside of the state, nothing against

00:13:24.780 the state. Now, I would change that to match kind of at least part of our situation. I'm not trying to be

00:13:31.300 dramatic, but part of our situation in the United States and even to match 1984 as everything within the

00:13:37.180 party, nothing outside of the party, nothing against the party. Because I think what we see in America

00:13:41.960 today is a totalitarianism that is outside of the state in a lot of ways, but is really primarily

00:13:49.680 predominantly exacted by the cultural powers that be, even corporations and big tech and celebrities,

00:13:57.920 people that have the most influence, those powers that be, then primarily the political powers that be.

00:14:05.440 The party today in the U.S. that people in charge are these leftist corporations, the media, the cultural

00:14:13.080 warriors who dictate what we must believe now, what we must say now, what the new reality is.

00:14:20.200 They construct objective truth. Nothing exists that is outside of what they say is good and right and

00:14:27.520 real and true. And if you oppose any part of the new reality that this so-called party controls,

00:14:33.260 then you are lambasted. You are censored. You are sometimes threatened. In some cases,

00:14:37.740 you are fired or ostracized. And they do this in the name of defeating bigotry. They say that having

00:14:43.460 your opinions and stating your opinions is actually harmful. It's actually violent. And part of this

00:14:49.820 new reality that this party has constructed, and by new, I literally mean just in the last few years

00:14:56.540 that we're not allowed to question, is that men and women are defined not by biology, but by mere

00:15:03.820 declaration. That there is no real meaning to what it is to be a man, no biological meaning to it,

00:15:10.520 no real biological meaning to what it is to be a woman, or anything beyond or in between. This idea 0.96

00:15:18.560 is not new, but it is newly mainstream. And the defense of it is newly dogmatic and pervasive.

00:15:36.980 A group of us have been reading Love Thy Body by Nancy Piercy. And I really can't, I know I've said

00:15:43.280 this before, I've had Nancy Piercy on my podcast. You should go back and listen to the interview I did

00:15:48.140 with her a little over a year ago, or maybe even two years ago now. But it is one of the most

00:15:55.800 important books, besides the Bible, that I think that you can read that speaks to what is underneath

00:16:02.400 the cultural trends right now when it comes to how the secular world views the body versus how

00:16:09.080 scripture views the body. Make your teens read it, especially your daughters. Make your friends read

00:16:13.820 it, your parents, your sister. I think, in my opinion, it is absolutely crucial. So Piercy argues

00:16:20.120 that the secular view of the body is this dualistic view of the body that actually degrades the physical

00:16:27.340 in favor of the psychological. So the idea is that who we really are, according to the secular dualistic

00:16:34.520 thinking, is what we think, what we feel. That dictates who we are and what we do with our body.

00:16:42.160 Our body doesn't tell us anything. Our body is less real than what we feel and what we think. That is the

00:16:48.820 new secular idea about how we should view ourselves. Our identity comes from what we feel, who we say that

00:16:56.180 we are in this mindset. Our bodies are subject to our inner self and what the identity that he or she

00:17:05.080 takes on that is defined by our internal monologue, by our feelings, by the decisions that we make about

00:17:15.980 ourselves in our mind. So the idea is that our real true definition, our real true identity is decided

00:17:24.060 upon by us and our body really has nothing to say about it. This way of thinking has a centuries-long

00:17:31.260 philosophical history, but it is contrary to Scripture. Scripture teaches something called the teleological

00:17:40.020 view of nature, including the human body. Tele means end or goal or telos means end or goal or purpose or aim.

00:17:48.860 Logos means explanation or reason. So teleology studies the purpose of natural entities. The Bible tells us a few

00:18:00.140 things just in the creation account alone that points to this and in the biblical canon as a whole, that God made

00:18:06.860 the world and he did so systematically. He did so thoughtfully. He did so carefully. And specifically, the nature of

00:18:14.400 God, as we see revealed in Scripture, is that he does not do things arbitrarily or accidentally. And very rarely does

00:18:23.660 he do anything in a way that seems automatic. We see from creation to redemption that God is a God of process. He takes

00:18:31.080 steps to accomplish his sovereign will. That to us, it doesn't seem like he should have to, or maybe they seem

00:18:36.960 superfluous, but he does things according to his will through process. Everything God creates, everything

00:18:44.220 that God does, he creates and does with purpose. The atom has a telos. It has an end, goal, purpose, a function,

00:18:52.780 a specific important role that it plays. A blade of grass has a specific nature, a specific role it can play. A wing

00:18:59.540 on a bird has a purpose. It can't do the same thing that a foot on a bird can or a beak on a bird can. It has a

00:19:05.900 specific purpose that God made it for. Our kidneys have a particular function, a telos, and cannot

00:19:12.160 operate outside of that function. And most people would agree with that. They hear, okay, yeah, of

00:19:18.940 course, a wing is supposed to do something that a beak cannot do. There's a purpose to these things.

00:19:24.020 There's obviously a design to these things. Most people accept that because it's obvious. You can't

00:19:28.640 even argue against it without even knowing or realizing where they land philosophically.

00:19:35.900 Or theologically. And yet much of the secular world, and in particular, the West has rejected

00:19:41.740 this view, has rejected the teleological view when it comes to the human body. So we accept it when it

00:19:46.980 comes to, say, a bird's body, or when it comes to different parts of nature. We realize that there

00:19:53.000 are some purposes for natural entities. But for some reason, when it comes to human beings,

00:19:57.940 the new secular philosophy or the newly mainstream secular philosophy is that we reject the teleological

00:20:04.300 view of the human body. So the popular idea today is that we can do what we want with our body,

00:20:09.720 that our purpose is determined by what we feel on the inside. As long as it's something that we want,

00:20:14.520 it's okay. We can sleep with as many people as we want to. And as long as it's consensual,

00:20:20.580 it's totally fine. We can have any kind of sexual relationship, this philosophy says, with any

00:20:26.000 kind of person that we want, and that's fine. We can do what we want with our bodies,

00:20:30.020 even if it includes killing the child residing inside our body, this philosophy says. And

00:20:35.140 because we've elevated autonomy in this worldview as a sacred value above all else,

00:20:40.440 this is acceptable. And finally, according to this view, we can declare that our anatomy tells us

00:20:45.820 nothing about our gender, our identity, who we really are, that our feelings define our gender,

00:20:52.100 and our body is just a bag of bones with no telos. All of these ideas actually reject the idea that our

00:20:59.260 bodies have a specific telos, that they are and they are and they do what we say they are and should

00:21:07.040 do, that we are self-defining, that we are self-creating, that we self-identify. But Christianity

00:21:15.300 rejects that, rejects that secular view. We hold the fundamental belief that God made the world,

00:21:21.140 all of it, with purpose and a specific design. And therefore, who he, our creator and designer,

00:21:26.500 says we are, we are. How he says our bodies should be used, that's how they should be used. And when

00:21:33.100 we use them in a way that goes outside of their function or purpose, we dishonor both the design

00:21:38.400 and the designer. The secular self-identifying dualistic view of the body is actually very

00:21:44.680 degrading to the view of the body. I think a lot of times we think of the secular sexual ethic as

00:21:50.880 as liberating, as freeing, and the biblical ethic as regulating and restrictive and burdensome and

00:21:58.380 degrading. It's actually the opposite. Christianity views the body in a very dignified way that the 0.86

00:22:04.800 secular world doesn't understand. The secular world says that the body is basically meaningless and

00:22:09.660 arbitrary, that it's only our feelings and our thoughts that really matter. Christianity says,

00:22:15.440 no, no, no, no. Your body matters. Your body was created with care and with purpose and with

00:22:20.860 intention. You are made in God's image. Genesis 1, 27 says, your body matters so much that God gives

00:22:28.220 strict rules for how we are to use it in a way that carries out its function best. God gives us laws

00:22:35.240 against assault, abuse, rape, murder, gluttony, drunkenness, sex outside of marriage that the New

00:22:42.120 Testament doubles down on. Jesus goes so far as to say, if you even lust after a woman, you're already

00:22:47.680 sitting and committing adultery. We see throughout scripture that God cares very much about our bodies

00:22:54.100 and what we do to them and what other people do to them. Listen to this from 1 Corinthians 6, 18 through

00:22:59.740 19. Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually

00:23:07.140 immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy

00:23:13.400 Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you are bought with a price,

00:23:19.640 so glorify God in your body. This would have been so radical for the time because there have been

00:23:27.120 competing views throughout history that either we are just supposed to pursue physical pleasure and

00:23:32.580 whatever feels good in our minds. We simply use our bodies to accomplish that end. Or there is a

00:23:37.440 denial of the physical altogether in almost the stoicism to deny ourselves any sort of pleasure,

00:23:42.720 saying the body is bad. Well, this passage from 1 Corinthians is speaking against both of those,

00:23:48.180 saying, no, your body is important. Your body has a purpose. Your body houses the Holy Spirit,

00:23:53.000 and you aren't supposed to just pursue fleeting pleasure in the way of sexual immorality.

00:23:57.260 You are supposed to glorify God with your body. Your body is a temple, Christian, of the Holy Spirit.

00:24:05.040 You are not just a stack of bones. If you are a Christian, the Spirit of God dwells in your body.

00:24:10.920 You are supposed to glorify God in your body. Jesus Christ didn't come as a spirit, as a hologram,

00:24:17.420 as a mirage. He took on flesh. He grew in Mary's body. He lived in a real body. He endured real pain

00:24:25.460 in his body. He suffered real death in his body. He was raised in his body. It was a bodily

00:24:30.940 resurrection. He healed people's bodies. After his resurrection, his bodily resurrection, he was no

00:24:38.420 longer in the tomb. The stone was rolled away, not because he was a ghost that could just go through

00:24:44.300 walls, which, of course, he had the power to do so because he is all-powerful, but he rolled away the

00:24:49.880 stone and physically walked out of that tomb. You'll remember that Thomas had to feel the wounds on

00:24:55.420 Jesus' hands where the nails were driven through on the cross to really believe that was Jesus' body.

00:25:01.280 The body matters. God believes. He knows the body matters. The body is part of redemption,

00:25:07.400 not just in the way of Christ taking on flesh to become our eternal, perfect sacrifice, but in the

00:25:13.180 way of our own bodies being resurrected and living eternally. In 1 Corinthians 15, we read this,

00:25:20.880 but someone will ask, how are the dead raised? We're talking about the resurrection of the bodies

00:25:25.020 that will happen at the end of time. How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?

00:25:31.040 You foolish person, Paul says, God through Paul says. What you sow does not come to life unless it 0.99

00:25:37.680 dies. I would just like to insert here, like I always like to do, that those who are overly 0.80

00:25:43.520 concerned about tone, all of us can become very sensitive and easily offended by tone. I always wonder

00:25:49.120 like how people who are overly concerned with tone, how they feel when they read the words of

00:25:54.660 Paul, who is inspired by the Holy Spirit, or read the words of Jesus himself. They are very harsh and

00:26:03.080 very direct sometimes in their language for the sake of speaking the truth in love. He goes on to say,

00:26:08.240 so is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable. What is raised is

00:26:14.680 imperishable. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet, for the trumpet will sound

00:26:19.180 and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put

00:26:25.220 on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. Romans 8, 22 through 23. For we know

00:26:32.920 that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now, and not only

00:26:38.540 the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, grown inwardly as we eagerly

00:26:43.640 await for adoption as done to the redemption of our bodies. We will have renewed, imperishable,

00:26:50.580 invulnerable, eternal bodies in which to dwell with Christ forever and ever. They're not bodies

00:26:57.040 completely different from our earthly bodies. The gender that God gave us in the womb, we are going to 1.00

00:27:02.440 have forever and ever. They are our bodies, new and improved, and made to last perfectly forever.

00:27:10.140 God made the body. He cares about the body. The body has both temporal and eternal significance,

00:27:16.620 and its teleology, according to the Christian worldview, its telos is not just to function how God

00:27:24.860 says that it's supposed to function here on earth, but for the Christian, it is to last forever, 0.99

00:27:30.360 redeemed and renewed and restored without sickness or pain or decay. God cares so much about his creation

00:27:38.940 that he is going to redeem it, and that includes the bodies that he created of the believers who

00:27:44.320 follow him. And if he cares enough about our physical bodies to do all of that, we can bet he both knows

00:27:52.220 and cares about what we do with our bodies here on earth. And we see that he does throughout scripture.

00:27:58.100 We honor God with our bodies by acknowledging and submitting to the functions that he has given them

00:28:03.180 in the same way that you honor any created item by using it according to the function its designer made it

00:28:10.420 for. This is why we abide by what he says when it comes to sex, when it comes to procreation, 0.88

00:28:17.120 when it comes to what he says to put in our bodies, when it comes to marriage, and on the most

00:28:23.020 fundamental basic level, when it comes to acknowledging our bodies in accordance to his

00:28:28.200 design of gender. First chapter of the Bible, very basic, core tenet of our faith, Genesis 1, 27 through

00:28:37.040 28 and 31. So God created man in his own image. In the image of God, he created him. Male and female,

00:28:43.960 he created them. And God blessed them. And God said to them, be fruitful and multiply and fill the

00:28:49.340 earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and

00:28:53.540 over every living thing that moves on the earth. And God saw everything that he made and behold,

00:28:59.040 it was very good. I have heard an interpretation before by a self-identifying progressive Christian

00:29:07.680 that male and female in this passage don't actually mean male and female, that they actually represent

00:29:12.480 a broad spectrum, a broad range of possibilities. There's nothing there that indicates that. I

00:29:20.840 made sure that I was correct on this, but the Hebrew word used for male is zakar, which means man,

00:29:28.860 which means male. The word used for female in this passage is nekeba, I'm sorry, my Hebrew is not great,

00:29:35.920 meaning female. That's it. There's no nuance there. It means male. It means female. It means man. It

00:29:43.060 means woman. They can also actually describe a male, like a male animal, but it is describing the two

00:29:51.160 distinct genders. Genesis 2, 24 says, therefore, a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold 0.98

00:29:57.520 fast to his wife and they shall become one flesh. So what do we see from these first chapters of the

00:30:04.240 Bible about human beings? That God creates them. God defines them. God defines their union. He defines

00:30:11.540 what the family looks like and defines their function. He said, you're man, you're made and are

00:30:17.640 the Trinity's Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit image in that you can reason. You are a moral creature.

00:30:23.260 You are also a spiritual creature, but you're not the same you two, Adam and Eve. You are both human

00:30:30.800 image bearers, but you are man. You are woman in accordance with the bodies in which I created you. 0.98

00:30:36.180 And here's what you're to do. You're to have sex and have babies and have dominion over and steward 0.99

00:30:41.000 the earth and all that inhabits it. So God does not give human beings the authority to self-create,

00:30:48.600 to self-define or self-identify. He does these things himself as the creator, as the designer,

00:30:55.060 as the ultimate authority. The fall of man and the entrance of sin doesn't change these things.

00:31:00.160 Human goodness was diminished through the fall, not God's authority. Humans changed. God did not.

00:31:07.080 He still is the designer, the designer, the definer, the identifier of all things. That's

00:31:13.200 what Christians believe as a core basic tenet of our faith. We hold to Genesis 1.1, the most

00:31:19.040 controversial verse in the Bible. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. That

00:31:23.440 necessarily means that God says what is and what isn't, what's true and what's not, what's right and

00:31:28.260 what's wrong, what we're here for and what we're not here for. How our bodies are supposed to function

00:31:33.540 and how they are not. We have said that sentence a million times on this podcast, it seems.

00:31:40.740 We see God's designation of male and female and the goodness of their marital union throughout

00:31:45.760 scripture, including by Jesus himself. This is Matthew 19, four through six. He answered,

00:31:51.460 have you not read, they're asking about divorce. He says, have you not read that he who created them

00:31:57.520 from the beginning made them male and female and said, therefore, a man shall leave his father and 0.70

00:32:03.140 his mother and hold fast to his wife and the two shall become one flesh. So they are no longer two,

00:32:07.820 but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate. And by the way,

00:32:14.380 people often say, you know, Jesus didn't talk about these controversial topics,

00:32:18.140 these cultural topics. So we shouldn't care about them either. Well, first of all, he does clearly

00:32:22.660 in Matthew 19, he speaks to both gender and marriage and the definition of what those things are.

00:32:28.200 And by the way, let's remember that Jesus is God. Whatever God, the father says is good and right

00:32:33.800 and true in the old Testament. Jesus agrees. John 1, 1 in the beginning was the word Jesus and the word

00:32:39.320 was with God and the word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him

00:32:45.080 and without him was not anything made that was made. So male and female, Adam and Eve, the genders

00:32:51.800 were made through Christ. Anyone who says Jesus doesn't care about this subject is simply theologically

00:32:57.920 confused at best and totally deceived. At worst, Christians reject the secular idea that the body is 0.98

00:33:05.860 arbitrary or up for redefining, that we self-define our genders, that our feelings dictate who we are

00:33:13.180 and what our so-called gender identity is. God made our bodies gendered as male and female. And those

00:33:19.340 bodies have a telos that is designated by him, not our feelings and not popular culture. This idea of

00:33:29.240 gender identity actually came from a guy named John Money. He was a psychologist from Johns Hopkins,

00:33:35.560 who in the 1960s, he tested this theory that he had. He had what was then considered a very radical

00:33:42.260 theory about nature versus nurture. He believed that really most of what human beings do and how

00:33:50.320 we think is a product of nurture, and especially when it comes to gender and sexuality. And so he

00:33:56.460 wanted to test this theory on a boy whose genitals had been maimed in a circumcision. The boy was named

00:34:03.280 David Reimer. And per the encouragement of Dr. Money, I think that's how you pronounce it, not

00:34:08.480 not Moni, but I'm not sure. He had his genitals removed, was given artificially constructed female 0.96

00:34:15.120 anatomy and was raised as a girl named Brenda by his parents and was given female hormones during 0.53

00:34:20.780 puberty. Money's theory and what he told Reimer's parents was that this will be absolutely no problem.

00:34:28.240 All you got to do is dress him like a girl, tell him he's a girl, give him some hormones, 1.00

00:34:32.860 and he'll be a girl and be completely comfortable with that. Now, what I'm about to say is even more

00:34:39.100 disturbing than what I just said. So if you've got kids in the car, if you don't, if you're in public,

00:34:44.140 I don't know, if you're around something that you don't, you don't want people to hear this next

00:34:47.760 part, I'm just warning you. Throughout his adolescence, this boy's adolescence, John Money also

00:34:53.940 forced him and his identical twin brother to perform sex acts on each other in front of him. And actually, 0.71

00:35:01.060 in an article for the Rolling Stone, this boy or this man recalls memories from his childhood

00:35:08.740 and pretty graphically and specifically describes what John Money had him and his brother do to each

00:35:16.040 other. And when they refused to do that because they were obviously uncomfortable, their kids and

00:35:22.820 they're also related, Money would verbally abuse them until they complied. And by the way,

00:35:27.860 he made sure other colleagues watched these sexual interactions between the brothers and

00:35:31.860 captured photographs of this happening, you know, just for research, totally above board stuff.

00:35:39.000 And these pictures are still around. They're currently being held as property of the Kinsey

00:35:43.800 Institute, which is an institute that was started by Alfred Kinsey, who was an outspoken defender of

00:35:49.220 pedophilia. Listen to this, just a little side note on this. Listen to this from the Seattle Times in

00:35:54.540 1995. In the last week, the director of the Kinsey Institute revealed that Kinsey's research conclusions

00:35:59.980 on the sexuality of young children were based not on scientific study, but on the secret history of a

00:36:05.480 single pedophile who kept a diary of his experiences with 317 pre-adolescent boys. So Alfred Kinsey,

00:36:11.960 he asserted this, what he called a scientific theory that kids are sexual, that they should be free

00:36:16.820 to engage sexually. And he said that this was a scientific finding. It was actually on the account

00:36:23.780 of a pedophile whose testimony and whose experiences Kinsey used to base these so-called findings. He

00:36:32.620 encouraged this guy, this pedophile, to send him very graphic accounts of his sexual encounters with 0.99

00:36:39.800 boys and their reaction to it. Of course, this pedophile asserted that, oh, these sexual interactions are all 0.99

00:36:45.880 great and well and good and they like it. And Alfred Kinsey said, yes and amen. That sounds 0.97

00:36:51.020 wonderful. I completely agree. So the Kinsey Institute started by a pedophile pervert. He has

00:36:58.400 the pictures of the interactions between poor David Reimer and his brother that was forced on them by 0.98

00:37:04.520 another pedophile pervert, John Money. So all of this that we're talking about, this gender identity, 0.95

00:37:13.500 the public opinion now, the secular opinion about sex and sexuality and gender is based

00:37:20.140 in large part when it comes to this particular part of progressive gender theory on the unscientific 0.97

00:37:26.960 findings of these two perverts. Their ideas were not just perverted, but they were also

00:37:31.460 philosophical in nature. They come from this idea that some enlightenment philosophers and later

00:37:38.020 psychologists like Freud believe that the body is dictated and defined by the mind and can be

00:37:45.420 nurtured into doing whatever we want it to do and can be defined by whatever we want it to be defined

00:37:51.000 by. That our biology can be adapted based on how we feel, what we think in our environment, in new

00:37:56.800 social and cultural trends. Remember, as I've said, progressives such as these, these people were

00:38:03.860 progressives for their heiress, they get human nature wrong. They put way too much emphasis on

00:38:09.060 nurture, discounting the intentional teleological nature of the world, and in particular, our physical

00:38:14.340 bodies. Some nature, like gender, cannot actually be changed. And this actually all goes back to a

00:38:20.800 godless Darwinianism view of human nature and the world that basically says we are just clumps of

00:38:27.460 cells. We're just material beings. We're just bags of bones. Everything is. Everything just happened by

00:38:33.000 chance and you determine what you're for and you determine your nature. This is a materialistic

00:38:38.440 godless view of the body. This whole theory of gender identity comes from this Darwinistic 0.96

00:38:44.880 godless view of the body that was perpetuated, unfortunately, by abusers like the ones that I

00:38:53.260 just listed. Both the Ryman brothers committed suicide later in their lives, by the way. Both of them did.

00:38:59.580 The boy who was raised as a girl insisted when he was an adolescent that he was a boy. He knew he was 0.95

00:39:08.100 uncomfortable as a girl. He finally had surgery, removing his artificial hormone-induced breasts,

00:39:14.140 and married a woman and adopted children, which is wonderful, and I wish the story ended differently,

00:39:20.220 but his mental health deteriorated, as did his brothers, and they both died by suicide a few years apart.

00:39:25.460 So I, if there's not a, if this is an example, is not an example of a failed experiment, I don't know

00:39:34.040 what is. And the research of this wicked person who conducted it is where we get this idea of gender

00:39:41.600 identity being separate from your sex, and it's just not. It's just not. It's not just anatomy that

00:39:48.720 makes us different. We are gendered in every cell of our bodies. Are there disorders? Are there anomalies

00:39:55.480 that happen very rarely? Of course, of course, but we consider those anomalies. But for the vast majority

00:40:04.640 of people, how people are made and are supposed to be made, the natural and the normal makeup of the body

00:40:12.640 is that every cell of our body is gendered. There are very, very, very rare anomalies, and they are anomalies 0.94

00:40:20.440 and disorders where this is not the case. We are gendered down to our DNA. Boys and girls' brains develop 0.92

00:40:27.820 differently in the womb. Boys have denser bones. They have greater aerobic and anaerobic capacity than girls do. 0.93

00:40:33.940 If you have ever watched girl and boy toddlers play together, you immediately see how differently they relate to

00:40:39.420 people and objects. There's a lot of similarities, but there's also some very basic differences that

00:40:44.320 you see that are not nurtured, but they are nature. Are there outliers? Of course, but boys and girls are

00:40:51.160 distinct. Our sex, our bodies mean something. We are not just clumps of cells. We are not just bags of

00:40:57.300 bones who are self-defining and self-creating. That doesn't mean that boys have to abide by every

00:41:03.440 stereotypical definition of masculinity to really be a boy. It doesn't mean that girls have to fit every

00:41:08.560 stereotypical definition of femininity either. That's actually the beauty and the freedom of 0.99

00:41:14.800 the biblical, the fixed, the scientific view of male and female is that a boy who likes ballet is

00:41:20.940 just as much a boy as the boy who likes football. A girl who likes dirt bikes is just as much a girl

00:41:28.080 as the girl who likes Barbies. Ironically, it's actually the progressive gender theory that reinforces 1.00

00:41:34.600 the most stereotypical descriptions of male and female. Women who say that they identify as men

00:41:41.100 start dressing in baggy clothes. They cut their hair. They change their name. Men who identify as 0.63

00:41:45.660 women often present in a way that is overly and sometimes sexually feminine. They change how they 1.00

00:41:52.200 talk, how they move their body. Sometimes they put on lots of makeup, etc. And not only that, but

00:41:58.180 progressive gender theory also emphasizes the importance of our anatomy, even while saying 0.95

00:42:04.200 that it's arbitrary. They say that your anatomy doesn't define your gender. But very often when

00:42:09.700 a person decides to identify as the opposite sex, they seek to change their anatomy to fit their gender 1.00

00:42:15.080 identity, which means that they actually think anatomy means and matters a lot.

00:42:21.300 Another contradiction and point of confusion that we are going to continue to see in this is the

00:42:35.820 obfuscation of sexual orientation. If gender is independent from your anatomy and your anatomy is

00:42:43.580 basically meaningless, then what does it really mean to be gay or a lesbian? Are those even real 1.00

00:42:49.720 categories anymore? And what about feminism? Is there such thing as elevating women's rights 1.00

00:42:54.960 if anyone can be a woman by mere declaration? Is having biological men compete against girls and

00:43:01.940 women in sports, occupy women's private spaces like bathrooms and domestic abuse shelters, 1.00

00:43:07.060 is that a win for women's rights and equality? And what if children, if children have the authority and 0.99

00:43:12.920 autonomy at age eight to declare themselves a different gender, should parents even have a say in that?

00:43:17.080 And if they have that authority, that autonomy, that ability to make those kinds of decisions that

00:43:22.880 can sometimes have lifelong effects depending on what route is taken by parents and doctors,

00:43:28.120 by that logic, why don't they then have the authority to then decide that they want to be in a

00:43:35.060 relationship with an older person? If we are giving the children the authority to deny their biological 0.64

00:43:39.860 reality and change their identity, then by that logic, what would be stopping children from having the

00:43:45.940 authority to do anything? Which was, of course, the fantasy of the psychologists who came up with

00:43:51.180 these ideas in the first place and experimented them on children. Have we even thought about what

00:43:57.060 we're doing to these kids' bodies? Who doctors are allowing to take cross-sex hormones before they go 1.00

00:44:02.720 into puberty, causing irreparable harm to their reproductive systems before their frontal lobes are

00:44:07.560 developed enough to make long-term decisions? Our frontal lobes aren't even fully developed until we're 25.

00:44:12.080 You remember how stupid you were as a teenager? I mean, think about the things that you believed 1.00

00:44:16.680 when you were a kid. I mean, kids are very smart. Teenagers can be very smart. Obviously,

00:44:22.940 they're very valuable. But our brains aren't developed. We think stupid things. We believe

00:44:28.000 stupid things. We don't have the ability to be able to make long-term decisions. That's why we have 1.00

00:44:31.900 parents. That's why God gave us that structure to protect us and to guide us and to help us grow

00:44:37.200 under a shelter until we have the ability to be out on our own. Abigail Schreier wrote

00:44:42.960 Irreversible Damage for this reason. She argues, based on research, not just her own opinion,

00:44:48.660 that there is actually a social contagion of transgenderism among young girls who previously

00:44:54.760 never identified as trans, never indicated that they were in the so-called wrong body. And no one

00:45:00.100 is stopping them from ruining their bodies, their fertility, their voices for the rest of their lives.

00:45:05.060 We've already seen parents have their children taken away from them because they don't affirm

00:45:09.840 their child's new so-called gender identity. I guarantee you that fight is on the march as we 0.52

00:45:15.460 speak. They're coming for your kids. They're coming for parental rights. They're coming for the

00:45:21.000 breakdown of the family in the name of the progressive gender revolution. Joe Biden declared

00:45:27.340 on the first day of his presidency, he will force federally funded schools to allow students to go to the

00:45:33.980 locker room, bathroom, and play on the sports team in accordance to their, quote, gender identity.

00:45:40.160 So that means that, yes, a boy who identifies as a girl who may, by the way, still be attracted to

00:45:45.820 girls will have full authority under the Biden administration to share a bathroom in a locker 1.00

00:45:50.160 room with your 12-year-old daughter, to smoke your daughter in track, to dunk on your daughter in 0.98

00:45:54.860 basketball if they go to a public school. And through the Equality Act, which will get passed

00:45:59.660 if Democrats take the Senate, Georgia, this will apply to private schools as well. The fact is,

00:46:07.080 these kids and people in general who are struggling with a very real dysphoria where they truly feel

00:46:12.540 that they are trapped in the wrong body are not getting the help that they need in many cases because

00:46:17.480 it is politically incorrect to question someone's declaration of their new gender identity even when

00:46:23.520 they're eight years old. Rather than trying to reconcile the mind with the body, the mode of

00:46:29.460 operation today in modern medicine, in culture, is to try to reconcile the body with the mind by

00:46:35.960 maiming it, which again is causing irreversible damage. And the suicide rate, even post-transition,

00:46:43.380 is still astronomically higher among transgender people than it is for non-transgender people,

00:46:47.600 not just in America, by the way. Some people like to say, oh, it's American bigotry that's causing that,

00:46:51.940 but it's not just in America. It's throughout the world and even much more progressive places like

00:46:56.460 Sweden because we are not treating people with the real compassion that they need. We're treating

00:47:03.320 them like secular scaredy cats who have bought into the unscientific idea that our bodies mean

00:47:08.380 nothing. They have no telos and can be changed as our feelings and thoughts and political and social

00:47:14.760 whims see fit. We are going against our telos and we are both individual and we are seeing both

00:47:20.920 individual and societal ramifications for it. And this will come down hardest. The consequences

00:47:26.820 will be bared the most and the most harshly by women and children. The most vulnerable are always

00:47:34.920 hit the hardest by progressive movements. Always. It is going to be women and children that suffer

00:47:43.700 the most from this. The church must be the place where confused people come for clarity, where hurt

00:47:51.840 people come for healing, where people weighed down by the constant contradictions and the vapidness of

00:47:56.660 the world come for consistency and for substance. We have to be the source of love, true love, for people

00:48:04.260 who struggle with gender dysphoria, who struggle with any sense of the temptation to defy the purpose and design

00:48:09.520 of our body sexually, through self-harm, through denial of their God-given gender. We have to understand

00:48:15.680 these issues. We have to understand the secular philosophy behind mind-body dualism. We have to know

00:48:21.560 why. From scripture, we hold to the fact that there are two genders, why the body matters. We have to have 0.99

00:48:28.720 an ontological view of the world and the body. We must point to a better way and say, while the world has a

00:48:34.960 degrading view of the body, Christianity radically has a dignified, sacred, beautiful, honoring view

00:48:42.020 of the body and sex and gender and gender roles. They're both for God's glory and our good. That's

00:48:48.900 what living out our telos does. It glorifies God and it serves our good and consequently the good of the

00:48:54.940 world. God loves you. He loves us. He loves you who are struggling, you who are confused, you who are

00:49:03.040 tempted. He loves you. He is not mad at you for being tempted or for struggling or for being confused.

00:49:08.640 It is not a sin to be tempted. Hebrews 4.15 says, for we do not have a high priest, Jesus, who is unable

00:49:15.380 to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are and yet is

00:49:23.040 without sin. That is Jesus. God made flesh, our spotless lamb, our perfect sacrifice. He was tempted

00:49:30.200 in every way, yet was still sinless. This Jesus loves you and wants what is best for you, even and

00:49:38.360 especially when you are tempted to deny your telos in any way. He wants to take care of you. He sent his

00:49:43.340 son, God sent his son, Jesus, to die for you so that you could be forgiven from your sins, to walk in

00:49:49.800 freedom and obedience and to live with him forever in a glorified, renewed body that will be fully

00:49:55.440 healed and fully whole. He loves your body. He made your body. He calls it good. He gave you your

00:50:02.000 gender, your sex in the womb, and he calls it good. And the gender he gave us in the womb will be the 0.99

00:50:07.440 gender. If you are a Christian that will be in, uh, that will define our glorified bodies forever. 0.99

00:50:13.060 That is good. The world does not love you. God loves you. The world does not love you. The world

00:50:20.060 simply celebrates and affirms whatever is popular at the time. It's why they celebrate transitioners 1.00

00:50:27.700 and people who come out, but mock detransitioners and people who decide to embrace biblical sexuality.

00:50:34.780 They don't care about you. They don't care about your body. They certainly do not care about your soul.

00:50:41.040 They don't even believe you have a soul. God does. He defines us, not our thoughts and feelings,

00:50:47.460 which are so often unreliable. We cannot be surprised that this is the way that culture has

00:50:53.620 gone. This is godless postmodernism. It's been, uh, moving forward for a long time. The rejection of a

00:50:59.940 transcendent source of truth, the rejection of absolute universal truth, exchanging the God of

00:51:04.540 scripture for the God of self and ending up with a whole lot of confusion, but Christians must be 0.98

00:51:11.060 absolutely certain where we stand. And we need to be agents of love and hope and truth. For those who

00:51:18.840 show up at our door, weary from the long journey of carrying the worldly burdens of self-definition

00:51:24.720 and self-identification, we point them to Jesus who gives them an easy yoke and a light burden,

00:51:30.460 the giver of truth, the perfect embodiment of love. His way is better. We have to believe that.

00:51:37.000 And that's the most loving thing that we can say. People say it's loving to agree with new progressive

00:51:42.380 mantras on gender, to use preferred pronouns, and to refer to biological men or women who identify as

00:51:47.920 the opposite, uh, opposite sex as their new gender identity. But if we believe God and we believe in 1.00

00:51:55.820 his telos that he has given the universe, including human beings, if we believe in Genesis 1-1, if we

00:52:01.460 believe in his gospel, how can we say that affirming this heavy confusion and this denial of reality and

00:52:08.900 hatred of the body is loving? It is one of the most hateful things that we can possibly do.

00:52:14.760 We cannot out-love God. As I said in the beginning of this episode, God is love, as 1 John 4-8 says.

00:52:21.020 So our affirmation of a lie about someone's gender is not love because the God who is love

00:52:27.040 tells us what gender really is in Genesis and tells us not to lie in Exodus, both of which are

00:52:34.240 reiterated throughout scripture. One of the Ten Commandments, which Christians honor as part of

00:52:38.780 God's moral law that is reestablished by Jesus in the New Testament, is do not bear false witness.

00:52:44.780 Lying, according to God, is a sin. So if the God who is love both tells us what

00:52:51.000 gender really is and tells us that we can't lie, then it is not loving to call a biological male a

00:52:58.160 she. We can use their legal name since that's really their name and we would be speaking truth

00:53:04.920 to say what their legal name is, but pronouns correspond to a biological reality. They always

00:53:12.880 have. They did in ancient Israel. They do today. And Christians are lying when we affirm something that 1.00

00:53:19.400 isn't true about another person. I would also avoid giving pronouns, giving your pronouns if

00:53:26.080 you were asked. That to me is not lying, but it's implicitly or maybe explicitly agreeing with the idea

00:53:33.400 that gender identity and sex are separate and are self-defined. And you who know what is true do not 1.00

00:53:39.560 need to give in even an inch to that conversation. And in the midst of all of this, we continue to be

00:53:45.900 kind. We continue to befriend. We continue to bless those who curse us. We continue to engage. We

00:53:51.440 continue to be hospitable and generous and open. We don't run from people and make them feel shame.

00:53:57.040 Remember, all unbelieving people, all unbelieving people, including us when we were unbelieving,

00:54:02.620 are repenting first from unbelief, not from a laundry list of other sins. That is the sin that we must

00:54:10.060 primarily deal with, that the Holy Spirit primarily deals with. Not all the other stuff, which will be

00:54:15.420 worked out through sanctification, and it will and must be worked out. So when we see someone who is

00:54:21.300 transgender or who is denying their body's telos in any way, that is actually not our chief concern.

00:54:27.480 Our chief concern is that their heart needs to know God. That's our chief concern about all

00:54:32.200 unbelievers, no matter what their sins are. And as ambassadors for Christ, we show his love and

00:54:37.820 hospitality as much as we possibly can. His definition of love and hospitality, by the way, not the world's.

00:54:44.260 That may mean open conversations about why you can't use certain pronouns with a consistent

00:54:50.480 emphasis on your love for someone as a person and your eagerness to be their friend.

00:54:56.160 It's a difficult age that we live in. It's a difficult time that we live in. You will continue

00:55:01.640 to be lambasted for this. You will get pushed back. You will explain it in the most gracious and gentle

00:55:06.840 and loving and caring way that you possibly can. And yet you will still get told that you are heartless,

00:55:12.540 that you are hateful, that you are mean, that you are judgmental, that you lack nuance, 0.63

00:55:17.760 that you're uneducated. Of course, you're going to be told all of this because you are holding

00:55:22.760 fast to the truth that will grow increasingly unpopular, but it's worth it. It's eternally worth

00:55:28.560 it. Okay, that's all I have for today. I will see you guys back here on Wednesday.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - December 07, 2020

Ep 335 ｜ Understanding the Biblical Telos of Gender

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