Ep 40 ｜ The Injustice of Believing All Women
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In this episode of Relatable it's Ali Stuckey, I talk to Graham Allen of Rant Nation about Brett Kavanaugh and the insane allegations that have been coming out against him and the character assassination that he is enduring.
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hey guys welcome to relatable it's ali stuckey your host this is a podcast of crtv of course
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you can go to crtv.com slash ali and listen or actually you can watch you can listen right here
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itunes spotify omni wherever you get your podcast but you should definitely subscribe uh because
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it's awesome to get to watch me and not just listen to me okay so today i know i promised
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you at one point that i was going to um talk about a post by popular christian blogger author
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jen hatmaker i'm going to do that on thursday today we have an even more fun show for you
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i'm going to talk to graham allen of rant nation he is another talent at crtv um we're going to
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talk about kavanaugh and uh all of these insane allegations that are coming out against him and
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the character assassination that he is enduring um and we're going to talk about what it's like to
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have to think about living our or living raising our sons um and you know my future kids i don't
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have kids yet but raising kids in a time where uh men are not to be believed and accusers and women
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are believed unconditionally and just kind of uh the the scariness and and the danger of that so we're
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going to get his insight but just to kind of give you an update on where things are um there have been
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uh there's another allegation that came out about kavanaugh that was reported by ronan farrow i'm
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going to get into that a little bit more when i actually talk to graham um and then michael avenatti
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you know him as the creepy porn lawyer um he is the attorney for stormy daniel he's coming out with
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these very vague allegations claiming that he has clients that have sexual assault claims um against
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kavanaugh again there is no proof of this we don't even know who his clients are and apparently
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liberals this is according to the daily caller uh liberals and and people in senate democrats are
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kind of wanting to shut michael avenatti up because he is a sensationalist and he's not actually helping
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the case he is actually making this seem again like this is just political theater i mean we already
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thought that it was political theater because christine blazey ford uh came out you know during this
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time during this hyper partisan time in order to change or to affect the confirmation of kavanaugh
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why else would she have first come to diane feinstein when she did in july and then why would
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diane feinstein have waited until now unless it was just political theater and then we have this second
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allegation that has come out by this woman with the last name of ramirez apparently she was found by
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journalists she couldn't even remember if it was kavanaugh that did what she then went on to say
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that uh that he did um and yet we're running with these stories anyway so there's this narrative being
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crafted that he has this pattern of sexual abuse of sexual harassment and we just don't know if any of
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these claims are true they have not been corroborated and in fact they've been denied or said that they
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can't be remembered by people who know all of the accusers and brett kavanaugh in addition of course
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to all of the people who have vouched for his character over the past 35 years that he has been
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um either in academia or in the professional world it's just not believable and you gotta feel badly
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for his family um he went on fox news last night on monday night uh with his wife ashley to talk about
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these accusations it's very rare maybe completely unprecedented for a supreme court nominee to go
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on the offensive um instead of just the defensive and to have a media interview and say these things
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did not happen but that's what he had to do because those are the times that we're living in
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um and it really just broke my heart to to listen to them um and their experience and having to deal
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with this so here's a little excerpt from that michael avenatti says uh that he has significant
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evidence and another accuser who claims that you and mark judge at multiple house parties in the
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washington dc area during the 1980s would participate in the targeting of women with alcohol and drugs to
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allow a train of men to subsequently gang rape them there are multiple witnesses that will corroborate
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these facts and each of them must be called to testify publicly did you ever participate in or were
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you ever aware of any gang rape that happened at a party that you attended that's totally false and
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outrageous never done any such thing known about any such thing when i was in high school and i went
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to all boys catholic high school a jesuit high school where i was focused on academics and athletics
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going to church every sunday at little flower working on my service projects and friendship friendship
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with my fellow classmates and friendship with girls from the local all girls catholic schools and yes there
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were parties and the drinking age was 18 and yes the seniors were legal and had beer there and yes
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people might have had too many beers on occasion and people generally in high school i think all of us
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have probably done things we look back on in high school and regret or cringe a bit but i that's not
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what we're talking about we're talking about an allegation of sexual assault i've never sexually assaulted
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anyone i did not have sexual intercourse or anything close to sexual intercourse in high school or for many
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years thereafter and the girls uh from the schools i went to and i uh were friends saying that all through
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all these years that are in question you were a virgin that's correct never had sexual intercourse with
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anyone in high school correct through what years in college since we're probing into your personal
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life years many years after i'll leave it at that many years after and and this the the people i went to
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high school with uh the girls and the boys now men and women that i went to high school with you know
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i was good friends with them and we remain good friends that's how 65 people on a moment's notice 65
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women it's 220 people total men and women who knew me in high school and i i would say fair process let me
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be heard fair process hear from both sides and listen to me and the facts i've described and listen to the
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the people who've known me throughout my life so that just i mean it just makes me sad to think about
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his daughters he coaches his daughter's basketball team um you know i've said this before of course i
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wasn't there on either of these nights on in which these uh alleged events took place i i can't say for
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absolute certainty that they did not happen but all i can do is look at the facts that are given me that is all
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anyone can do um and the facts just don't support this happening they just don't there is no one
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supplementing these women's voices by saying you know it kind of seems like he is the kind of guy that
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would do that or i did hear i i heard about this story or um yeah wow christine or this ramirez lady
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talked about this a lot uh this was clearly a big incident that happened back then there's just
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there's there's no one doing that there's no one to corroborate it and in fact there are people
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saying the opposite so why would i believe these two voices of women that don't have any support for
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their allegations um but apparently apparently nowadays we are just supposed to unconditionally
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believe accusers we are just supposed to unconditionally believe the people that come forward with
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allegations um that's not the world in which i want to live that is completely unjust not to mention
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hypocritical by the people that are perpetuating that narrative um last night on twitter on a monday
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night after the ashley and brett cavanaugh uh interview aired with martha mccallum of course
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everyone on the left on twitter was saying that ashley cavanaugh wasn't to be believed that she wasn't
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credible uh because she didn't know uh brett back when these allegations uh apparently occurred um and so i'm
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just confused like are we supposed to believe all women or not or oh oh got it so we're only supposed
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to believe women that suit your agenda that suit your narrative it's not about believing all women is it
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no it's not and i've said this over and over again the left the democrats do not actually care
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about ford they don't they don't care about ford they don't care about these accusations they care
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about stopping cavanaugh and creating chaos going into the midterms to fuel the resistance they are
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trying to manufacture a blue wave via outrage via the worst allegations that you can make against
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someone i guarantee you that there are many democrats in the senate who don't even believe
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these allegations themselves diane feinstein the person that ford actually uh came to with these
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allegations says she doesn't even know if all of them are truthful and yet they're pushing them like
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they are why because it's useful for their agenda that's it and it is evil you know it's funny you
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don't hear about these 30 year old accusations coming out against liberals and it's not because
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they're better people than conservatives it's because conservatives tend not always but tend to
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not dig up three decades old allegations about a drunken incident that may or may not have happened
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when you were in high school i mean merrick garland might have been stopped from being on the supreme
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court by republicans but we weren't talking about him maybe messing around with a girl when he was
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drunk at a party when he was 17 years old um and i don't want us to stoop to that level although i do
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think that we should maybe just make sure that michael avenatti uh that he's not some actual criminal
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because that guy's sketchy that is a sketchy guy and i think that someone should maybe just look into
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his background it wouldn't even have to be through 30 years ago it could be like three years ago um
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um anyway all of that said that's where we are with this kavanaugh stuff i'm actually going to be
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at a rally for kavanaugh on thursday speaking uh it's just it's crazy it's firing me up i want you
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to hear from graham allen's perspective um and just kind of hear what he has to say about all of this he's
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i think an expert and just kind of uh um framing things in a way that's easy to understand and simple
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and also communicates you know biblical practical values so we're going to hear what he has to say about it
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graham thank you so much for joining me hey i'm glad to be here so this is the first time that
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we've actually had a conversation which is weird because i watch every single one of your videos
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and i feel like i know you and your wife's videos who is awesome by the way yeah well i'll be sure to
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tell her that you said that no she's actually uh the cool one in the relationship i'm i'm not so it's uh
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it's interesting gotcha it works like that though she's she's your better half that's what you're
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supposed to say exactly exactly okay so before we get started i want to talk to you about uh kavanaugh
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and uh this whole idea of believing all women unconditionally but first will you tell people
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who don't know although most of my audience probably does um just kind of who you are and what you do and
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what your platform is about uh yeah so my name is graham allen i uh am a 12 year army veteran that
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started this uh video segment called the daily rants uh about a year and a half ago now and that
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started gaining a lot of popularity and uh it ended me up with talks with crtv and now we have the tv show
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uh rat nation on crtv which is uh making waves uh good and bad i would assume so uh so yeah i'm just a guy
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uh that just believes in pro-american values pro-second amendment pro-god uh you know and i
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speak my mind about what i think and uh half the world loves me i think and the other half hates me
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so which is good that's a good place to be the the controversy is necessary um why do you think that
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some of your video one first of all your videos get tens of millions of views every single one of them
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them which is so impressive um but with that like you said comes the hate and comes the haters uh
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what you said to me sounds so logical it sounds patriotic it sounds like traditional american
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values why do you think so many people hate you and what you say i think that there is a very large
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amount of americans now that view what's right as wrong and what i mean by that is a lot of times the
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right things are not always the easy things and it's not always the the self-gratifying things and
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and and trying to live your life that said the designated right way is sometimes hard and it's
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uncomfortable and we live in a world where people only care about themselves they only want their
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feelings to matter their viewpoints to exist uh i had a conversation with mike the cop the other day
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talking about religion and we said you know everybody wants to promote
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their jesus that they've created yes uh nobody really wants to talk about uh you know the real
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jesus or the real god and there's actually rules and regulations that come along with that
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uh and that's kind of where we live in our society now unfortunately whatever feels good whatever makes
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me most happy that is what is true there's no the truth anymore it's your truth graham and my truth
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and no one can tell me any differently or else they're bigots and i think that's a good point that
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that's probably why a lot of people uh they see you they see me and they say oh these people believe
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in an absolute truth and that's just bigoted and intolerant and exclusive and wrong not understanding
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that they believe in truth too uh they just uh believe that that truth is more tolerant than mine
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so speaking of truth and speaking of facts uh this whole kavanaugh thing it seems to me like it's
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gotten completely out of hand now we have multiple accusations none of them corroborated
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none of them supplemented with any evidence whatsoever and yet we have an entire side it
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seems like millions and millions of people saying oh no we need to believe these accusers despite the
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fact that we don't have any evidence how the heck did we get here and why what what is going through
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these people's minds well i had a you know i said something the other day and you know to answer your
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question how did we get here well i think you have to remember america has been in these situations
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before you know a thing called the salem witch trials happened right and things where where where
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there were no facts there was no evidence it was simply accusations that led to you know ruining
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or ending uh people's lives and and it is no different some people will say oh well that's an
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extreme thing you're throwing out there is it really is it really that different when you think
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about it you know uh i want to i think i need to say this first and foremost because i am a male and
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so you know some of the biggest backlash that i get when speaking about the me too movement and you know
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sexual assault and rape claims and things as well i'm a man and until you've been a woman which no one's
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negating that women unfortunately you guys have to deal with things on a more regular basis than men
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have to you know and and and no one is negating that right and so i want to believe i think you even
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said this it actually i want to believe these these uh people that are right coming out as victims i do
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but you have to have you know rational thought in this and you have to say you know the timing the the
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amount of time between when it supposedly happened and now it just it doesn't make sense and what the
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only thing that makes sense is this is a political move and this is nothing more than a chess game
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to try to delay a confirmation to try to totally hold up hold up the process and you know and it's
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the me too movement i believe may have been started with the right thing in mind to empower women to
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come forward but what has happened is it's actually changed our culture to go guilty first until proven
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innocent instead of innocent until proven guilty and now people are tried in the court of public
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opinion they're not offered due process but their entire lives their entire families their entire
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livelihood their careers are ruined are stripped from them um without any not only without a jury
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uh not only without any due process but also without any credibility you know it's one thing
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if uh kavanaugh for example had this series of very credible allegations these eyewitnesses that said
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yeah i saw that happen that was really bad that was really sketchy or other character witnesses that
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could have said you know what kavanaugh is uh he is an abuser of women i knew that about him he's had
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that reputation or if there had been any other woman um in the past 35 years who has worked with him who
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has clerked for him and said yeah this guy is a harasser but every single woman that has actually worked
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closely with him since he has been in the professional uh political sphere has said no kavanaugh treated me
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with dignity and with respect with honor just like he treated every man that i've ever worked with
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i just have a hard time believing that this guy who is was apparently a predator in high school
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and college cleaned his act up really fast and has been able to manage a perfect life since then it
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just doesn't make any sense yet what's happening he's being dragged through the mud and has to go
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on national television with his wife to talk about when he lost his virginity i mean is that the world
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that we live in now right well you you said it best you know uh people people don't just wake up one
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day and say well you know i think i think i'm gonna be a rapist today right or or or or vice versa
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people aren't rapists or sexual predators and then all of a sudden they're just they're just not
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anymore and and so that that's what you have to you have to look at the rational
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thoughts behind all of these things uh you know the countless years of psychology studies of predators
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you know and characteristics of those and but people don't want to do that and also looking at
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the time frame of when these things apparently happened high school and college now let me preface
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again this is not me saying that terrible things do not happen to women that should never happen during
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those time frames right this is me saying that there is a legitimate difference of sexual assault
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and rape and just being a stupid kid mooning somebody going down the road you know and stuff
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like that and you know the the the second accusation was the most ridiculous to me they were playing a
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drinking game in college it's probably like spin the bottle or something if we really have to
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break it down but you're playing a drinking game and somewhere in there somebody that you heard
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someone we don't even know really who right right she heard someone yell kavanaugh's name or something
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but she can't even fully remember what happened because she was intoxicated due to a drinking game
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it's it's it's lunacy to me it's ridiculous i can i was in the army for 12 years i can tell you
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i went to mardi gras multiple times and got flashed against my will hundreds of times are you gonna
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file a police report are you gonna go to the press i didn't ask for those women to flash me i didn't
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have any beads i did not initiate any kind of contract for that thing but yet i saw them so i guess we need
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to go arrest or don't let any of those people be doctors or run for public office ever i i don't
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know it's it's crazy we don't even know we don't even know if the allegation so for those of you who
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don't know the second allegation was it was uh a piece by ronan farrow whose journalism really started
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the whole me too movement he has a lot of credibility which is why a lot of people are frustrated that he
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came out with the second allegation uh her last name is ramirez she says when she was at a party in
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high school they were drunk like graham said apparently apparently kavanaugh uh exposed himself
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to her but here's the thing about that is that uh ramirez was found by these journalists she didn't
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go to them apparently found by these journalists she had to wait six days after being found by these
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journalists to try to remember if it was really kavanaugh who did this or not and then apparently
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after six days of digging back into her memories of over 30 years ago she said oh i know a hundred percent
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i know a hundred percent it was kavanaugh of course this lady is a democrat she doesn't like donald trump
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and all of this stuff um but you mentioned the me too movement and what i'm afraid of is that me
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the me too movement in an effort maybe a genuine effort to um embolden victims to speak out it is now
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glorifying victimhood it's now glorifying victims to the point to where people think that if they come
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out with accusations that are true or false they are heroes so when people say oh christine blaze
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ford or ramirez don't have any reason to come out this is embarrassing for them they should be believed
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and should be brave well it's not that brave because now you're gonna get a you might get a book deal out
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of this you might you might make money out of this you're gonna be a martyr for the left uh for the
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anti-trump resistance because of this so there could be ulterior motives i don't think that's healthy
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i don't think that you can i don't think when you look at they went to you know government officials
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first before local law enforcements you can look at it as anything but you know politically charged
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motives right at that point you know i and that's the conversation i had just yesterday with with mike
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the cop who is a police officer you know i asked him i said hey in in your experience i'm sure that as
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you know a law enforcement officer you've had to deal with things like this just so just from your
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professional viewpoint is this is this normal like is this is this a something that kind of
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happens and you know and and anyone that deals with this regularly will tell you you know this is
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this is not that's not how how it normally works you know if you if you feel you're a victim of sexual
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assault or rape and you do speak up most of the time it's to the police or it's to someone close to you
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who then contacts the police i mean it starts somebody at the local law enforcement about it
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right i mean you would think if you really want to punish the person who abused you and you really
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want something to happen that your first move wouldn't be to go to the press or would be to go
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to diane feinstein and then after that it's like these uh accusers are like well the gop is politicizing
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me the gop is terrorizing me well well no one no one should get issued death threats so i'm not saying
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that i don't want them to be terrorized or harassed or anything like that but you chose to come out at
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a political partisan time you chose this moment and this avenue to come out with your story and what did
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you think was going to happen you knew it was going to be political you i mean that that's the
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only reason you would have come out with this story is because you thought that it would sway judge
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kavanaugh's confirmation right and so i mean it it is political it just inherently is so we can't be
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frustrated by the political consequences of it no i i agree and and and like you said uh there are
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people that i fundamentally on every level of who i am disagree with their thought processes and their
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beliefs and things but but i don't wish death threats or of course harm to anyone but being in
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the space that we're in on our side of the fence you almost want to say well welcome to the club lady
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you know right i mean yeah it sounds like a tuesday to me is what it sounds like and so right uh yeah i think
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that what has happened with this movement and this is that this is getting off of just the current
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situation that we're in just in general what has happened is it's creating an atmosphere where good
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men are going to be afraid to do anything right over fear that it could come back to haunt them there
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and and a a female friend of mine said this there is a very distinct difference between
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uh trying to to make a move on a woman and maybe she says yes maybe she says no and then forcing
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a move on a woman you know you know i mean you know we're getting mad at people
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for trying you know what i mean like normal things and i'm not saying
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obviously assault is not normal and forcing yourself on a woman when she says no is not normal
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but it's like it you are starting okay are you gonna condemn every teenage boy or every teenage
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couple that you know is making out or something and then maybe things get heated and afterwards
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the girl's like you know actually in retrospect i kind of wish we hadn't gone that far and i kind of
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didn't want to i mean we've already kind of seen that where people publicize their bad dates and they
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make their date out to be the sexual assaulter when really it takes two to tango and you just
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didn't say no and now you regret it that's not sexual assault and we don't know if that's what
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happened with kavanaugh but i am afraid that that's the direction that we're going to go
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where you know i don't have kids yet but my future son is um condemned of something that he didn't do when
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he was either being a regular teenager but obviously i want my kids to respect every sex
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no matter what i want them to treat everyone with dignity and respect but i am scared of raising boys
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in a time where they cannot do anything without being you know without being persecuted i mean you
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have kids what do you think i have i have three children that would not be here if i had taken the
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first no to a date right with their mom seriously or not you know i mean i had to had to ask again
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and again and again and and wear her down metaphorically speaking you know i just and and
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that's the point right and think of every romantic comedy ever yeah and there's this part in there where
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they're making googly eyes at each other and then the guy sneaks a kiss real quick you know just just
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just tries to sneak a kiss in there well apparently that's sexual assault right you know apparently
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apparently you should go to prison for that kind of thing right and that's how ridiculous it is
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yeah every sports athlete that slaps another athlete on the butt uh because they did something
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really really good well that's technically sexual assault they didn't ask for you to touch them back
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there you know what i mean i mean that's the ridiculous road that we're going down yeah it's absurd
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and i just i know that you think about this as a dad i don't do you have sons i have i have two sons
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and the the youngest is a girl so i'm sure you kind of see it from both sides it's like on the one
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hand obviously you want a world in which uh your daughter is safe in which she's hanging out with
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guys that protect her and treat her with respect and then on the other side you also want a world
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in which your boys um can be boys respectful boys wonderful boys but you want them to be able to grow
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up in a time where it's not shameful to be a man where it's not shameful to open a door for a woman
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and ask a woman on a date so i'm sure that has to be kind of scary for parents so do you have any
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advice for either parents or young men in how to grow up in a time like this i think that
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and i will try to i will try to remain as unbiased as i can in this conversation i think that you know as
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a parent you have to remove your emotions sometimes as the parent and you have to look at it as real
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life and i i won't say any names but but i will say a situation of a friend of mine who has much older
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children they're now grown children uh and they had a situation where the daughter was in high school
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and was a lot younger than a senior in high school and and there was a situation that ended up happening
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there ended up being you know uh yeah you can read between the lines there and you know legally maybe
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that there might have been a situation to ruin this senior's life if they wanted to but but at the
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end of the day it was two people in high school both consented to uh you know a thing and stuff and
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so you have to weigh those things is this truly uh yeah it's it sucks from a dad point of view to think
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that you know your little girl is you know had sex with another person yeah but is this really
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rape and and sexual assault in this regard is it worth ruining someone's life yeah over these
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situations you know i mean the sexual uh offenders list is riddled with people that were 17 or or that
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were 18 and another person was 17 and and the parents pursue legal action against these people i mean i
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mean they're all over the place and i think we yeah and i think we both agree that in real cases
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of sexual assault and rape that person's life deserves to be ruined like i think we both agree
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that rapists should have everything done to them that they've ever done like i think there's a special
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place in hell for people who rape and sexually abuse someone that's just the most egregious thing that
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you can do against someone but i also think that there's a special place in hell not you know not
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literally i'm not getting into theological stuff here but a special place in hell for people who
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falsely accuse people of being rapists or of being sexual abusers sexual abuse is wrong real instances of
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that is wrong you deserve to go to jail you deserve to be punished your life deserves to be taken away
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but also exaggerating those claims or falsifying those claims you deserve justice much um i just i just
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think it's a shame and in this case with kavanaugh there there's no evidence and i gosh i just feel
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for his family i i do too and i agree with everything you just said you know anyone who actually commits
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those crimes both male and female yes mind you uh because it does happen the other way around you
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know it's just far less heard about but that's neither here nor there right the problem is we have two
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issues one we've lost the real understanding of what actual rape and actual sexual assault is and then
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two we have it's almost revenge tactics or or chess game tactics that we're using those accusations
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for ulterior motives motives at this point and that's the problem is we're holding people's lives
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in our hands based off accusations for whatever the real reason is that we're throwing those accusations
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around in the first place right just be smart love each other treat each other with dignity and respect
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and tell the truth and it's all going to be okay i wish it was just that simple that we probably
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wouldn't be in this mess if that was the case well yeah we probably wouldn't have jobs either if it was
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the case if everybody loved each other we wouldn't have anything to be outraged about we wouldn't have
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anything to talk about that's true exactly well graham thank you so much can you tell everyone
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where they can find you all the places they can follow you yeah so you can uh just look me up graham
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allen on instagram facebook twitter youtube and then it's uh rant nation on crtv perfect thank you so
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much graham i really appreciate your time thanks for having me that is all for today thank you guys so
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much for listening and i promise that thursday's podcast is going to be in response to the
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stupid stupid stupid i say this in the most loving way the stupid jen hatmaker post that we have all
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just been rolling our eyes about about her quote working faith ethic and the radically inclusive
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gospel that she thinks is real i will talk about why that is a figment of her imagination and why
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it is so dangerous for millions of women to be following okay uh happy tuesday have a great rest of your day