SHNEAKO - The China Mac Interview

00:00:00.000 what's good china mac where you coming from i'm coming from woodstock right now that's deep that's

00:00:06.080 super deep that's too deep you got business over there yeah i got uh i i mess with uh my producers

00:00:12.080 from there so i go over there to record with him and shit you know you working on album yes sir

00:00:17.120 i just finished it today that was you finished the album i wrapped it up yeah i did all the

00:00:21.200 the final cut the final like you know mixes and everything today how many tracks uh it's eight

00:00:26.880 eight tracks on it okay yeah nice and compact i don't like those 30 track albums the 40 track

00:00:31.720 it's too much yeah too much yeah well why do they do that for streaming for streaming numbers what

00:00:35.620 the what a lot of tracks yeah well that's old school shit you know like back in the days like

00:00:40.220 albums have like 20 30 tracks on it with like five interludes yeah with like fucking skits and

00:00:46.000 skits you know skits on an eight track album maybe one no skits no voicemails no no voicemails

00:00:51.920 What's the title of the album? You know yet?

00:00:53.780 It's Viral Rebirth.

00:00:56.340 Why?

00:00:57.460 Well, it's because I had a...

00:01:00.260 The project, it was already out, right?

00:01:03.600 So what happened was I took down the project.

00:01:05.860 I took down all my music because I felt like, you know,

00:01:08.900 just the relationship with iTunes and Spotify,

00:01:14.900 it just wasn't making me money, you feel me?

00:01:18.300 Because I'm not getting the millions of streams and 10 million streams.

00:01:21.260 So I decided to take all my music

00:01:23.980 Off of those pages for now

00:01:25.760 And sell it directly to my consumers

00:01:28.280 Oh so it's not available for streaming

00:01:29.300 So it's not available for streaming

00:01:30.520 However

00:01:31.000 So what I did was

00:01:32.260 I took it down

00:01:33.000 And then I added three more songs on it

00:01:35.040 And then I repackaged it

00:01:37.100 And now I'm about to sell it to

00:01:38.580 You know I'm about to sell it

00:01:39.540 For direct to consumer

00:01:40.620 And NFTs and shit

00:01:42.080 I saw you on Patreon now too

00:01:43.360 Yeah on Patreon too as well

00:01:44.940 What made you shift to start doing all that

00:01:46.400 And selling your content like that?

00:01:48.660 Because it's

00:01:49.300 Huh?

00:01:50.020 Is there more money in it?

00:01:50.780 Yeah, because at first, like, I went in there, like, I went into doing music and content, not making money, but getting exposure.

00:01:59.740 You know what I'm saying?

00:02:00.400 Like, yo, I'll do everything, like, whatever, for free, everything, like, it doesn't matter.

00:02:04.620 And then, um, shout out to the, uh, the poppy over there with the, he just brought the bodega over here, bro.

00:02:12.920 I felt like we were, but, um, but fucking, yeah, so I just, so now I took it.

00:02:18.460 So now, instead of chasing, like, notoriety and clout and shit like that, you know, now just whatever I have, like, the bass that I have, I need to make money.

00:02:28.780 You know what I'm saying?

00:02:29.280 Because, like, you know, you spend so much money on music.

00:02:31.240 People look at, like, rappers, like, you know, it costs a lot of money to do what we do.

00:02:36.840 You know what I'm saying?

00:02:37.540 Videos.

00:02:38.140 Mixing, like, the studio time is a lot of money.

00:02:39.940 Yeah, the rappers are the last people to get paid, and sometimes we don't get paid at all.

00:02:43.360 So if I don't charge for my music and stuff like that, chances are I won't get paid.

00:02:47.640 i'll be still in the red independent right facts so that's how that's how i started like just

00:02:52.780 switching my my um my model to you know getting exposure to getting money you know what i'm saying

00:02:59.040 you get a lot of views on youtube though your videos do a lot better than your your streaming

00:03:03.120 right numbers they do yeah why is that you think every interview i see when all the all the vlad

00:03:08.360 police interviews they get like three four million views but yeah i mean because they just like i

00:03:14.400 don't know they like they like they like they like the bullshit man they like the you know

00:03:20.060 the clickbait the controversy the clickbait they like that they want to hear about the scars on

00:03:24.020 your face and shit like that they want to hear the million jail stories that i told over and over

00:03:28.340 and why you did so many of those vlad interviews like what do you think about everyone calling

00:03:32.180 them a police like every time i watched those i remember seeing those a couple years ago like it

00:03:35.500 felt like an interrogation the way he asked questions the way you sit in there like with

00:03:39.400 one camera you never felt like you never got that that vibe from that i mean definitely you know i

00:03:45.600 mean he i don't i don't take it like he's an investigative journalist you know i'm saying

00:03:50.440 and he's really like he hones in on the investigative shit so i don't per se think he's a

00:03:54.840 police he's not police he's definitely not policing he's definitely i don't know i don't

00:03:59.180 think he works with the police however he does have police like swag you know i'm saying he got

00:04:05.800 like police type tendencies and shit like you know investigative shit you know so but at the

00:04:11.380 end of the day that's what people like you feel me like he wouldn't have a he wouldn't have a

00:04:16.480 platform if people didn't like that type of shit so people do like it and there is there is value

00:04:21.220 in it because people watch it and you know for whatever reason people think that whatever the

00:04:26.660 videos the questions that he do are interesting so you know he keeps on inviting me up you know

00:04:32.860 i mean and i i you know for now i'm going up there you know but for now you don't want to do any more

00:04:38.100 of those jail stories and keep talking about the past what happened 20 years ago right i mean i i

00:04:45.760 i try not to you know he he just keeps on throwing it in there after i tell him like you know let's

00:04:50.540 i don't want to talk about this let's just you know do whatever shit but he just keeps on doing

00:04:54.480 it you know but whatever whatever you know i i the people on his on his platform like this shit so

00:05:01.720 whatever but can you give a brief summary of like of your story like i see you were in um the ghost

00:05:07.260 shadows gang right um that was a chinatown chinese mafia back in the 90s and then uh you did 10 years

00:05:14.360 on rikers right no it's 10 you can't do 10 years on rikers yeah rikers is a county jail yeah county

00:05:20.640 jail so i did 10 years in the state and um yeah i was in a gang called ghost shadows and that was

00:05:26.400 back in the days when chinatown was really gang populated you know it was a lot of it had a lot

00:05:32.360 of gang culture in it and um that's when i was that's the chinatown that i was born into

00:05:37.460 and the time that i was born like you know when i grew up in chinatown every block was gang

00:05:43.180 territory you know i mean and um it was it was a little it was a lot different over there now

00:05:48.140 than now new york has shifted a lot has changed a lot since then chinatown's trying to hit even

00:05:52.680 this park i don't think you know we probably wouldn't be able to do this shit right now like

00:05:57.520 without being disturbed somewhat like in it in it like 10 20 years ago you know what would have

00:06:02.360 happened someone would have came up and said like i feel like there would have been a lot more dope

00:06:05.880 fiends out here i feel like you would have a lot of people nodding off over here like i don't know

00:06:10.140 i feel like it would have been a lot dirtier i feel like we wouldn't even want to sit down on

00:06:13.800 this shit yeah right is there a part of you that uh misses the griminess or do you like the change

00:06:18.240 you like to say for New York City um I mean it's a gift and a curse to me you feel me uh because

00:06:26.380 you know um there's still crime going on it's just they push it to different places you know

00:06:31.860 so it's I mean they they they they clean this up but then it's still like they pushing them

00:06:37.460 somewhere so you know a lot of people from here move to the Bronx or some shit like that that's

00:06:42.040 is still fucked up you know i mean but i feel like uh i feel like i do like new york being

00:06:49.740 cleaned up i do like it but then a part of me is like you know i know new york for being grimy

00:06:55.200 for for having certain type of you know you know a certain type of aesthetic you know i'm saying

00:07:00.620 like a more do you miss it i do really i mean but then i don't miss it you ever miss something you

00:07:06.760 ever had like a girl that you kind of miss certain things you're nostalgic for it but like you might

00:07:11.260 miss her cooking or you might miss her something you know i mean but then you don't not her attitude

00:07:15.120 yeah right so it's kind of like that there's there's good there's cons and pros to it but i do

00:07:20.320 i think that what was different is like you know um in new york is just you know um new york now

00:07:28.440 from how new york was back in the day is just people just don't have the same respect you know

00:07:36.800 i'm saying like back in the days like that you know people stayed in there you know stayed in

00:07:42.560 their position you know they didn't really like around a little bit like people stayed people

00:07:48.660 didn't do too much back in the days because it was like a lot more you know violence and crazy

00:07:53.880 shit happening you know when i was coming up so people kind of stayed in their lane a little bit

00:07:58.200 more you know i'm saying now it's like i feel like young people just super disrespectful people

00:08:02.820 would say anything and do anything and and i don't think it's the same type of you know and

00:08:08.180 also also like there was like a little more like morals principles back in the days when new york

00:08:13.560 like you know people follow certain codes and people did certain things and had more respect

00:08:18.320 for the elders even when they was gang banging all that dumb shit you know just certain things

00:08:23.080 you know now i just feel like they don't give a fuck you know i mean there's no respect like

00:08:26.540 they don't give a fuck they'll shoot they don't get like you know just people don't give a fuck

00:08:30.640 no more about nobody else there was a shooting here two nights ago actually right here yeah

00:08:34.060 right right in the corner of this park wow were there more fistfights back then people just like

00:08:39.880 tend to shoot instead of fight it out i feel like there was definitely more fistfights back in the

00:08:44.980 days but people still get shot out back in the days people got stabbed a lot you know i feel

00:08:49.700 like now people don't fight this much people just go straight to the uh the guns and shit why

00:08:54.060 um because a lot of these motherfuckers don't know how to fight

00:08:59.720 You know what I mean?

00:09:00.160 Like, if you don't know how to fight, you know, you get your ass whipped,

00:09:03.480 you want to even out the playing score.

00:09:04.880 So I think, you know, if there wasn't no guns, I seen a meme earlier,

00:09:08.320 if there wasn't no guns, a lot of motherfuckers would be walking around with...

00:09:11.680 The ski mask all the time.

00:09:12.700 With big-ass fucking black eyes and shit all over their face, you know?

00:09:21.260 What about the difference in the treatment of Asians?

00:09:23.800 Do you see more disrespect now?

00:09:26.360 Like, back when there was the Chinese Mafia,

00:09:27.880 i can imagine people would be more afraid and people would have more respect for for asian

00:09:31.360 culture but i mean you see the difference of chinatown for example the businesses are going

00:09:35.180 out like people are getting attacked there um do you do you see a difference there's super there's

00:09:41.200 definitely a difference man it's just you know but at the same time i don't think the chinese

00:09:45.780 like the asian people really ever fully got their respect we always been looked at looked at like

00:09:51.680 you know like weaker you know what i'm saying yeah uh we always been looked at like you know

00:09:58.200 docile like you know just what like you could take advantage of us you know whose fault is that

00:10:03.020 aren't most asians docile and non-competitional it is i mean yeah it's our fault you know

00:10:08.640 it's our fault for allowing that to to to happen it's our you know but i don't think it's not a

00:10:15.680 fault you know i mean because that's how we were raised you know that's how our if it's anybody's

00:10:22.280 fault it's you know the culture the people that came before us you know i'm saying but that that

00:10:27.420 was like how that's how our people are you know i'm saying like you know and um our our mothers

00:10:33.340 our grandmothers our great-grandmothers always was taught for us to like you know kind of just

00:10:37.980 keep a more profile right uh don't be we were taught not to be aggressive you know i mean we

00:10:43.760 looked our people look down on stuff like that yeah i mean our people look down on being loud

00:10:48.200 and you know i'm saying like you know uh so when you kind of like you know that's our culture and

00:10:55.460 then we you know so we accept shit we we accept it but now we're talking about people who came

00:11:00.320 from china and like you know assimilated into the country but now us you know it's it's a different

00:11:05.920 world for us now you know i mean just because our it worked for our parents and their parents

00:11:11.340 and the people some things like you know we can't keep on continuing you know we gotta adapt we we

00:11:16.620 have to adapt yeah that's why i really look up to you like i see videos of you like someone will be

00:11:20.700 in the car yelling out like uh go back to your country and you'll get out and just run down on

00:11:24.860 the person like what country what's up yeah and like no one expects any asian to do that and it

00:11:28.940 just i really really admire that right i wish i would see more of that i feel like we need to see

00:11:34.540 more of that man i i and you know it's just i hope that you know the little that because honestly

00:11:39.980 like you know um like with that video you were talking about with that i i really i didn't i

00:11:46.080 really like i didn't necessarily want to record it to like you know to like just show everybody

00:11:54.040 like oh look i could be a badass that's not that's definitely not what i wanted to do you know what

00:11:58.160 i'm saying what i wanted to do was to show people like hey you know this is what we're supposed to

00:12:02.800 be doing you know i'm saying and i feel like a lot of asian people just don't like our people

00:12:07.920 don't teach us that like you know our fathers are not teaching that or like you know what i mean

00:12:11.680 like we're not teaching we're not taught to like you know to to speak up and especially not even

00:12:17.460 just speak up for ourselves but speak up for others for others like you know i'm saying like

00:12:21.420 black people if you say if a black people see another black person getting jumped they'll

00:12:24.380 start fighting right especially if it's from you know say say me and you or like you know two white

00:12:30.220 guys or two asian guys go and have a fight with with with a black or older black dude get out of

00:12:35.740 here they're not gonna you know i mean the people's gonna jump in and there's nothing wrong with that

00:12:40.100 you know i'm saying is that i think that's right that's what for your people you gotta stick up for

00:12:43.660 your people you feel me and especially people of our communities and and shit like that you know

00:12:48.100 i think that's important we have to put take into consideration that you're a rare case there's not

00:12:52.560 a lot of asians with that type of past that you have with the type of like you grew up with gang

00:12:58.320 banging so you're that's it's you're built like that right how do we teach you know guys like like

00:13:03.660 us how do we start adapting and how do we change our mentality without you know that aggressive

00:13:10.320 past i think the first step is to just like you know be confident right so like in order for you

00:13:17.320 to be confident you have to physically be comfortable with yourself you know i mean and

00:13:21.460 then you also have to be a comfortable with your abilities right like you know so i think once you

00:13:27.160 have that right you have the confidence and you have uh confidence in your ability right then i

00:13:35.140 feel like you know you can start asserting yourself a certain way not not like i'm not

00:13:41.020 telling anybody to fucking be batman or fucking like be a superhero or fucking be an asshole or

00:13:46.900 anything but if if i don't feel comfortable with my like you know how if i can't fight you know

00:13:54.860 i'm saying if somebody bigger than me is like you know doing something to somebody i'm not gonna

00:14:00.180 want to go over there because i'm using a fuck around and fuck me up you know i'm saying but if

00:14:04.440 i'm bigger my if i'm bigger myself and i know how to handle myself and i see somebody picking on an

00:14:09.600 80 year old woman you know i'm saying smacking her bags or like fucking like ticking her bag and

00:14:14.660 throwing that shit like joking or kicking have you seen that happen i mean face to face i haven't

00:14:18.980 seen i haven't seen that shit happen i'm looking for that i've really been like hoping i see

00:14:22.840 something like that right what would you do i would step in i would immediately step in right

00:14:28.880 yeah that makes me so angry like all the hate crimes have been i mean during covid it multiplied

00:14:34.500 by 10 right and i've heard all these stories in the news about that but i would i would 100% step

00:14:39.440 in if i saw that like i saw a video of this asian woman getting febrezed on the train you probably

00:14:43.540 saw that that was the beginning of covid they started spraying or i wish i wish i saw that i

00:14:47.520 wish i was there for that but yeah i think we're in like you know um people like you people like

00:14:53.780 me like this is our time to like you know to change it you know i'm saying it's important

00:14:59.520 you know like uh it's important for us to use our platforms and that's why i'm so mad at like

00:15:04.820 other asian people that have platforms and shit you know they so scared man they be tucking their

00:15:09.840 fucking dick between their legs and shit like they so scared to like you know to to to to

00:15:15.240 to fucking like jeopardize whatever you know whatever they got you know i mean they don't

00:15:21.080 want people to look at them a certain way they don't want but you know i feel like you know

00:15:25.460 sometimes sometimes some things some fights are worth it you know i'm saying and then i when i

00:15:31.440 first started the the rallies and shit that they can't burn us all rally when i seen the 89 year

00:15:35.780 old woman get you know um i went to the streets i did it and i reached out to all of the you know

00:15:41.020 celebrities name an asian celebrity i reached out to them you know i'm saying and i sent them how

00:15:46.040 many of them were afraid to do anything about all of them probably like nobody reposted me they

00:15:50.580 didn't even want to repost this shit that's why we would never have a black lives matter type

00:15:53.680 movement it's just a fear of like intruding too much i think it's because like some of my friends

00:15:57.540 explain it like this like asians in america even if they're first generation even they're born here

00:16:01.680 there's a sense that we don't belong here that this is not our country that this is just we're

00:16:05.960 here to like make money and become doctors and succeed but like we don't want to speak up too

00:16:10.940 much because we don't want to we don't have like long-term ideas of staying here right but where

00:16:16.680 the fuck are you where's your family from my mom's filipino my dad's from haiti okay so i'm i'm fully

00:16:22.620 chinese like could you right now just like move to fucking filipino philippines uh i don't speak

00:16:28.420 any tagalog yeah but what i'm saying is we're american you know i'm saying so we can't just go

00:16:33.620 i know i know i know that but go back to fucking can you agree with that idea that a lot of asians

00:16:37.820 believe that like oh this is not really our place like this is why we don't speak up because like

00:16:42.320 how you get sprayed on the train and you just sit there keep reading your newspaper

00:16:45.420 what's going through your head they're scared bro you know i'm saying they're scared i feel like

00:16:53.240 a lot of asian people are just like you know they're scared and it sucks to see that that

00:17:00.900 our people are like you know just fucking like just getting bullied and and and doing nothing

00:17:09.400 about i mean i guess it's easy for us to say to adapt because i mean we're in a different line

00:17:13.460 of work than most asian most asians just want to like become successful doctors or engineers they

00:17:18.780 want to but you're not you're a rapper it's a very different lifestyle like you're able to sacrifice

00:17:23.380 and and risk getting in a fight whereas most just like i don't want to lose my career right

00:17:28.700 that's the difference between this minority and other minorities is that we all just want to be

00:17:34.920 successful doctors and yeah but but i feel like you know we're going to different times now you

00:17:40.520 know i mean shit is changing you know if if you if we can't see that our world is changing like

00:17:45.660 you know then we're blind because look at what happened last year we've never seen no shit like

00:17:49.980 that like the fucking the whole world just stopped for like you know a good amount of time and you

00:17:54.500 seen like the madness that was happening throughout that right like shit just got crazy

00:17:58.400 and we got a glimpse of it so i feel like you know as as this country changes and as the world

00:18:04.440 changes we're gonna see a lot of changes and i feel like you know how we are conducting ourselves

00:18:09.720 or how we have conducted ourselves and how we have responded to issues um can't like you know

00:18:17.140 that shit is gonna that that shit is we can't do shit like that we can't handle it like that no

00:18:21.620 more because people just going to keep on wanting to come fuck with us but it's easy to say that

00:18:25.260 because like you were the only you were one of six asians and rikers right right i heard a story

00:18:29.960 about that you have a very different past than every other age so ideally yeah like we that's

00:18:36.380 the right idea to have that we should change but do you really think that we could i don't know bro

00:18:42.660 i don't know that shit is like foreign to a lot of people but i honestly i feel like what we need

00:18:47.860 to do is we need to fucking just you know i'm saying i'm working on doing this shit like i'm

00:18:53.100 starting i'm working on trying to just shift the culture you know i'm saying that we should be you

00:18:58.160 know we should be like physically uh ready for shit you know i'm saying we should be teaching

00:19:04.820 each other like our communities our parks we started martial arts yeah and how come that's

00:19:09.700 what i'm saying why what the fuck are we you know there was a time when i was growing up people were

00:19:13.240 scared to fuck with asian people because they thought that we knew you know i'm saying like

00:19:17.780 you know a lot of people was like oh nah you know i mean so there's a lot of times i was able to

00:19:21.540 just get by with the and then they'll back up you know i'm saying i remember let me tell you a story

00:19:26.200 right i was on i was in uh i was in uh rikens island in um c74 i was probably like i don't

00:19:32.360 know i was like 16 16 or some shit like that so they this is my first time on rikens island i

00:19:38.280 it wasn't the first time i got arrested but or or like i was in a juvenile jail but that was the

00:19:42.880 first time i was on rikers island they moved me from intake house to my like the main house and i

00:19:48.540 had like eight people that were arrested with me but they all got bailed out and i was the last

00:19:53.340 person to go into to stay there so they moved me outside of orientation like the first spot where

00:19:59.380 you go so you stay there for like a week and then they move you to your your house right so then i

00:20:03.540 go to this spot and this is like the yo i swear to god walk in that shit and it's like sparta like

00:20:09.840 oh everybody's like yelling and it was like just crazy i'm just like all right you know i mean like

00:20:14.880 i gotta make an example like immediately and people were just looking at me staring at me

00:20:18.860 people yelling shit you know i mean so when i went in there when i go in when i go in i went to i went

00:20:24.660 to the bathroom then i went to the phone and i'm trying to get on the phone and then um the dude

00:20:30.960 the dude he left the phone hanging so i was just like yo what's up with this phone so they was like

00:20:36.140 Nah don't touch the phone

00:20:37.120 Nah don't touch that phone

00:20:38.840 So I'm like

00:20:39.740 Don't touch the phone

00:20:40.640 Ain't nobody using it

00:20:41.660 So I went

00:20:42.200 Grabbed the phone

00:20:43.920 Dialing out

00:20:45.620 Boom

00:20:46.080 And then I started talking

00:20:47.280 I'm talking

00:20:47.840 And somebody comes behind me

00:20:49.560 But I'm tight there

00:20:50.320 Because I'm trying to get bail

00:20:51.920 I'm trying to like

00:20:52.600 You know I'm talking to my family

00:20:53.640 Like yo what's up

00:20:54.160 Boom boom boom

00:20:54.580 So now

00:20:55.480 Somebody taps me on the back

00:20:57.040 And I look back

00:20:57.760 And he's like yo

00:20:58.240 Get the fuck off the phone

00:20:59.300 So I went back

00:21:00.300 And I'm still talking

00:21:01.440 And then he taps me again

00:21:03.560 He was like yo

00:21:04.100 You ain't fucking hear me

00:21:05.080 so when he did that i just turned around like he made that noise yeah i made the noise and i was

00:21:11.640 like i put my hands up like this and they was like oh there was like five like there was like

00:21:17.480 mad people there there was like five people there but there was a bunch of people on the side

00:21:21.220 and they was like oh and i saw like he was scared like they were scared because of the

00:21:26.200 yeah because of the huh i wish that still worked as soon as i did the huh so now but they're like

00:21:30.580 Yeah, but when I did the huh, I got hype.

00:21:33.020 I got hype off of the reaction of the huh.

00:21:35.240 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:35.980 I did that.

00:21:36.420 They was like, oh.

00:21:37.140 Then I was like, oh, shit, yeah.

00:21:38.460 And I swung.

00:21:39.360 And when I swung, they was like, this motherfucker don't know no fucking karate.

00:21:43.140 And they jumped my ass and they got me out of there.

00:21:46.740 That was a funny story.

00:21:47.720 What's the biggest lesson you learned in your time?

00:21:50.580 Your time inside?

00:21:51.240 um biggest lesson is that um for me personally is that uh i can't be scared of success you know

00:22:03.940 i'm saying like a lot of times like when i was a kid people instilled like embedded in my brain

00:22:10.080 that you know i just wasn't good enough you know i mean like you know i wasn't better than my

00:22:14.740 cousins i wasn't smart enough i wasn't this i wasn't that so it that shit really like kind of

00:22:22.060 like uh i kind of believe that shit you know and i was thinking about like you know i was thinking

00:22:28.240 about why i was getting in so much trouble and a lot of times it was just because i didn't believe

00:22:33.800 that i really deserved anything else you feel me so i just kept on putting myself like

00:22:38.880 subconsciously i just kept on fucking up because so sabotaging yeah right so and i was doing that

00:22:44.580 shit for a long time until the last time i got arrested i sat down for 10 years i did 10 years

00:22:49.820 in prison and then i'm just like i and then i started understanding that i started unraveling

00:22:54.080 that and then i started dealing so that's the biggest lesson i learned that just step out of

00:22:57.940 my my way and let myself be great you know let myself you know whatever somebody said about me

00:23:03.360 or to me or whatever like that's their fucking that's whatever they think but people get proven

00:23:09.180 wrong every day you know i'm saying so you know i ain't no fucking different you know i'm saying

00:23:14.400 i might not be perfect to what the fuck anybody else wants but i'm perfect to whatever whatever

00:23:19.320 the fuck i want to be you feel me because you were you must have been like the strongest minority

00:23:25.020 you could have been you know there's no asians in jail right what did you realize of how people

00:23:30.680 perceive asians being like one of the only ones there in an environment like prison yeah i mean

00:23:37.080 i think at first like you know at first you just get dealt with like you know with the with the

00:23:42.420 They try you, you know what I'm saying?

00:23:44.080 They try you.

00:23:45.100 But I feel like once you show that, you know, what you're about

00:23:52.040 and that you're not pussy and that you're going to, you know,

00:23:57.120 people are going to respect that, you know what I'm saying?

00:24:01.940 So I feel like I didn't really have a lot of shit because I was Chinese, you know?

00:24:05.520 At first I did, you know?

00:24:07.280 But once I started, like, you know, people knew,

00:24:09.200 people could tell by the energy people heard stories about you know me fighting and shit like

00:24:14.940 that people would you know that would be enough to like deter somebody from like fucking you know

00:24:19.620 just respecting me you know i'm saying i feel like that's a lot that's the thing you know i

00:24:23.240 mean like a lot of us a lot of people just don't respect us because they don't see us doing the

00:24:28.580 same shit that they deem gets the respect you know i'm saying we don't do the same we don't do

00:24:34.840 the shit that other people feel like should be respected you know i'm saying the things they

00:24:38.660 respect we don't do we probably get respect through notoriety yeah your grades right you

00:24:44.160 know i mean you know like our family my family like you if you have getting to a good school

00:24:48.920 you're you're respected you know i'm saying like you get a good job respected you make a lot of

00:24:53.480 money respected you know i'm saying but uh you know and other and other people look at like you

00:24:59.880 know different things you know i mean like different things for respect like you know they

00:25:03.800 respect people that that fight you know i mean they respect people that stand up for themselves

00:25:07.680 They respect different type of attributes that, you know, we don't really carry.

00:25:11.900 So I think that's the thing, you know.

00:25:13.840 Do you think that's the reason why a lot of Asian women go to white men?

00:25:20.420 I don't know, man.

00:25:23.040 I don't know.

00:25:24.080 I think a lot of Asian women go with white men.

00:25:28.540 Why the fuck do y'all go with white men?

00:25:30.040 I don't understand.

00:25:30.740 Why?

00:25:30.980 Stop.

00:25:31.820 What the fuck?

00:25:33.780 I don't know.

00:25:34.420 It's probably a lack of respect because we're so focused on grades and school and this,

00:25:38.960 and there's a lack of masculinity there that women are attracted to.

00:25:43.280 Right.

00:25:46.300 Yo, I see that.

00:25:47.220 My whole, like, all of my cousins, like, when we have a family event and shit,

00:25:53.640 I'll be like, what the fuck?

00:25:55.920 Whose family is this?

00:25:57.440 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:58.120 Like, that shit turned into the, you know, a different type of family.

00:26:02.720 Everybody has a white boyfriend and shit

00:26:04.460 But the other way is not really the case

00:26:06.740 You don't see a lot of Asian men with white women

00:26:08.520 It's almost never

00:26:09.280 Very rare

00:26:10.260 For real?

00:26:11.320 I don't see that often

00:26:12.220 Do you?

00:26:15.500 I think I see that

00:26:16.680 I see that more than

00:26:17.820 We were talking about that

00:26:18.740 He's half Asian too

00:26:19.580 It's like whenever you see a half Asian

00:26:21.080 You know that the mom is the Asian one

00:26:22.620 Nine out of ten times

00:26:24.120 That's crazy

00:26:24.420 Nine out of ten times

00:26:25.400 That's crazy

00:26:26.480 I mean

00:26:28.240 I see Asian people

00:26:30.820 I think I see more Asian people

00:26:32.680 With white girls

00:26:33.600 Than I see them

00:26:34.780 With black girls

00:26:36.080 Yeah

00:26:37.900 Yeah

00:26:39.820 A lot of Asians

00:26:40.400 Are afraid of black people

00:26:41.240 Yeah

00:26:42.360 Why do you think that?

00:26:45.420 The same stereotypes

00:26:46.440 The same reason

00:26:46.940 White people are afraid

00:26:47.600 Of black people

00:26:48.120 The same ingrained stereotypes

00:26:50.420 Right

00:26:51.140 Are you scared of black people?

00:26:53.640 I'm half

00:26:54.100 I mean my dad's half black

00:26:55.320 Oh yeah

00:26:55.820 You're Haitian

00:26:56.500 Yeah yeah

00:26:56.940 Right

00:26:57.160 So you're not scared of black people

00:26:58.460 I can't be

00:26:58.940 You can't be

00:26:59.800 You were inside for so long

00:27:01.600 I mean

00:27:01.940 you know i'm listen at the end of the day i'm not gonna say i'm not scared of anything i'm not i

00:27:06.820 don't have fear yeah i don't see any fear in you i mean but i'm not gonna say i don't have fear i

00:27:10.760 do have fear you know we all have fear like yo but i don't think you're afraid of any other person

00:27:14.500 i think you might have fear like of loneliness and shit like that like emotional like listen

00:27:19.380 fear is a natural fucking thing man fear like you can't like sometimes like i might feel fear

00:27:25.800 you know i mean like some some somebody might you know come a certain way like i might i might feel

00:27:30.880 at you know it's not something that we should run away from it's not something that we shouldn't

00:27:35.400 embrace you know i'm saying but the thing is how to conquer that fear right right how not to let

00:27:39.740 that fear overcome you know take the respect from you you know i'm saying like like like this there's

00:27:46.480 one thing to to fear there's another thing to allow that fear uh make you uh less of a fucking

00:27:53.660 you know less of a man you know i'm saying or or allow that fear to like take that from you you

00:28:00.300 know and i i i don't do that you know i'm saying i i i will i i'm not gonna let my fear like

00:28:07.880 control how the fuck you know i'm gonna live you know i'm saying you ever feel like you

00:28:12.620 couldn't rap because of what race you are no i never felt like that people never gave you that

00:28:17.640 attitude no i never felt like that i mean you know i feel like now is like you i deal with

00:28:24.220 more race shit now like you know i'm saying now 20 years ago yeah i never dealt with all of this

00:28:29.580 race shit like i don't know that's a new thing like that yeah like like when i was in when i

00:28:34.160 was coming up and shit like after i've i set my mark i said like you know after i have like a

00:28:39.060 certain type of um respect and shit like that through you know and and after i learned how to

00:28:43.960 carry myself like i don't really feel no race shit like people don't come at me like that like

00:28:49.320 you know i'm saying i'll be in all black neighborhoods all day every day you know i

00:28:53.120 mean and people don't i never had that you know i mean it's probably more about how you carry

00:28:56.500 yourself it's how you carry yourself you just fucking he just fucking nailed it this guy

00:29:01.660 i'm learning something yeah it's how you carry yourself bro because at the end of the day

00:29:05.620 they don't look at you like oh you're asian so as soon as this is how they look at me right as

00:29:11.860 soon as i i'm asian people look at me like okay but then when they see how i move it does they

00:29:17.140 don't even i don't even have to speak you know i'm saying it's just how i move how i walk in a

00:29:21.840 room. You know what I'm saying? Where my eyes go, where my back is, my body language. Because

00:29:29.120 people will test you without even saying anything to you. They'll do something and just see

00:29:32.860 how you react to it. And if you give them that, then they'll take advantage. So I feel

00:29:38.940 like a lot of us just need to learn how to carry ourselves.

00:29:42.480 How are you adapting to the social media area, the clout era? Music is changing. Like

00:29:48.380 back at 20 years ago like music is a lot more about views clout um yeah uh you did pretty well

00:29:56.460 you're like popping on instagram right that's your youtube going yeah it took me a little

00:30:00.380 minutes and still i'm not a social media person you don't think so i mean i am but i'm not like

00:30:07.760 i still like because i didn't grow up with it you know i'm saying so like some kids like i don't

00:30:12.800 know you probably i grew up you grew up with it i didn't grow up with it i grew up my whole

00:30:16.800 childhood you know i didn't have any you know computers or any phone or anything like that

00:30:22.160 right so i'm i'm like you know but i adapted to it but still it's not my core that's why i thought

00:30:28.720 you were way younger than you are right right but but it's not my core but you is different it's

00:30:33.960 more natural for you because you been doing it you know i'm saying it was something that you

00:30:37.640 me i had to adapt into it and kind of like so there's still sometimes that i just don't

00:30:42.320 you know i might go like a whole week without posting anything because i just don't want to be

00:30:46.140 you know i'm saying like you know i still do that you know so yeah do you think that the

00:30:52.560 the response to police has changed too you think more people rat now absolutely absolutely there's

00:31:00.840 i feel like people been ratting people been telling but there was more of a culture of um

00:31:06.160 just like you know no talent like more more like morals and codes and shit you know i'm saying

00:31:14.380 Back then?

00:31:15.000 Huh?

00:31:15.260 Back then?

00:31:15.980 Yeah, but, like, it was, you know, no snitching.

00:31:19.000 Like, that was kind of, like, ingrained in the culture.

00:31:23.500 You don't think that's still there?

00:31:24.340 You don't think people still have that mentality?

00:31:25.960 Nah.

00:31:26.420 What about GS9?

00:31:27.720 I mean, GS9 is different, you know?

00:31:29.560 They represent, you know, something different.

00:31:31.920 But they don't, the majority is, like, you know, people don't respect that anymore, that code.

00:31:37.980 People just don't.

00:31:38.680 Like I said, that respect is gone, you know?

00:31:41.940 Why?

00:31:42.460 Because of social media?

00:31:43.640 Is that part of it?

00:31:44.600 I think social media, just like, you know, the people, like, in my era,

00:31:49.960 like, we didn't do a good job in, like, you know, passing it down to, you know.

00:31:55.920 So it's your fault?

00:31:56.780 It's my fault.

00:31:57.620 Come on, man.

00:31:58.680 Come on, Mac.

00:32:00.060 Snitching is my fault.

00:32:04.240 All right, Mac, I pretty much asked you everything I got.

00:32:07.660 All right.

00:32:08.580 Yeah, I appreciate the conversation.

00:32:09.920 Yes, sir.

00:32:10.380 and you got any any words for for the asian youth um don't be scared man you know like

00:32:20.540 your fear is something that you can conquer you know i'm saying and and don't look at nobody like

00:32:25.680 everybody everybody nobody's no we should never look at anybody like they are you know more than

00:32:35.080 us you know i'm saying at the end of the day everybody has their own pluses you know i'm

00:32:40.120 saying we should never be we should never have enough fear for other men and other people um

00:32:49.140 you know to the point where we can't control it you know i'm saying we have to learn how to

00:32:53.660 control our fear we have to learn how to speak up more and um you know and it's one step at a time

00:32:59.840 you know i'm saying like you know start start you know getting your body in shape and start just

00:33:04.840 you know paying attention to your surroundings situational awareness and um start just paying

00:33:10.360 attention to how you carry yourself you know i'm saying like you know and that's that's important

00:33:15.220 you know what should you do if you see a old asian lady getting attacked you should definitely do

00:33:20.060 something you know i'm saying i don't know it depends on what your capabilities are you know

00:33:25.540 like if i'm a fucking 18 year old kid that never got into a fight before right and i'm like five

00:33:34.080 four you know 102 pounds and I see somebody that's 6'1 you know 260 pounds you know I mean what the

00:33:42.840 fucking can I do I don't I've never been in a fight what the fuck do you want me to do what

00:33:46.580 can I do you know what I'm saying so I mean and that's why I say hey get your bodies in shape

00:33:52.560 you know what I'm saying work out you know uh practice some type of uh uh uh defense like

00:33:58.580 defense class start getting your bodies ready for something right start training conditioning

00:34:03.840 yourself to get ready for something i don't train nothing you know i'm saying like i mean i i do

00:34:09.240 boxing i do like you know i just do i just keep my body in shape as much as i can you feel me

00:34:14.420 and then um i just practice what i've been doing like you know like certain things that i learned

00:34:18.640 when i was in prison like if somebody was to come at you with a knife how to like respond to it

00:34:23.120 yeah you know and and how to use a knife certain different things that i learned while i was in

00:34:28.360 prison that's what you still do prison workouts now i do you don't go to the gym you still do

00:34:32.560 Like the dips

00:34:33.620 Right

00:34:34.060 I think

00:34:35.160 You know what I mean

00:34:35.720 The parks is where I'm at

00:34:36.760 The yard

00:34:37.300 I do pull ups

00:34:38.640 Push ups

00:34:39.180 You know

00:34:39.820 I do the gym sometimes

00:34:40.820 But I don't want to be wearing

00:34:41.760 A fucking mask

00:34:42.720 While I'm working out

00:34:43.960 No you don't

00:34:44.740 Not all

00:34:45.080 Most of them you can

00:34:45.720 Like blink

00:34:46.640 You don't need to take

00:34:47.100 You don't need to wear it anymore

00:34:47.720 How did everything just change

00:34:48.960 Like that out of nowhere

00:34:49.800 Cuomo changed it

00:34:50.260 Cuomo the mask mandate's gone

00:34:51.840 Wow

00:34:52.300 But I mean people still are

00:34:53.940 Like him for example

00:34:55.200 He got the shot

00:34:55.940 And he still

00:34:56.420 He came in here wearing

00:34:57.480 A big ass like KN95

00:34:58.640 Yo you got the shot

00:34:59.480 Did you fucking do

00:35:01.040 The magnet test on your shit

00:35:02.240 yeah to see if they chipped you

00:35:05.620 all right my brother yo man thank you so much for having me brother you know much love

SHNEAKO - May 31, 2021

The China Mac Interview

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