SNEAKO - SNEAKO & Adin Ross Host Debate For Nick Fuentes VS 5 Feminists

00:00:00 what's up brother no i don't think so shalom hey thank you so much hey what up oh see go uh you

00:00:06 can pull up that shirt baby do you have herpes by the way i don't have herpes it was a false

00:00:09 accusation false accusation no i don't have herpes no aids no aids no herpes sit down i'm gonna give 0.99

00:00:14 me a mask sit the fuck down do you not have i have nothing i'm clean as a whistle all right 0.98

00:00:18 all right um what's up man hey what's going on stico good to see you hey wait do i really have 0.99

00:00:25 do i really have a juno's no i don't think so yes it goes below the um the septum line if you

00:00:34 turn to the side give us a full side profile give us a full side you're kind of hiding it a little

00:00:37 it's supposed to dip below oh yeah that's not that's not even hooked why are you on your knees

00:00:42 next to me bro yeah it seems unnecessary but i'm sorry hey uh nick okay so how do you feel going

00:00:51 with these things let me tell you the topics that i have written down and if you want to add in one

00:00:54 more i think we'll have enough time for this five if you want you wrote five yeah i got i got five

00:00:58 okay well i wrote uh is being gay wrong um we wrote uh are men more superior than women like last time 0.78

00:01:04 um we wrote kamala or trump and then i wrote transgenderism that's not a question that's not

00:01:11 okay so let's not i think those are all good i like uh kamala versus trump again but yeah are men

00:01:18 women equal i think those are two good questions last time yeah should women vote i like that one 1.00

00:01:24 because that's gonna start it's a good question you know and it's on topic and it's gonna get both

00:01:28 sides angry yeah um i also i've added is it okay to be fat i like this one i want to bring up that

00:01:33 subject that's great i love that is it okay to be fat and um should gay people be allowed to adopt

00:01:40 babies i love that one too i like that one too those are good it's a good one for the fifth one

00:01:45 i wrote is religious law oppressive but we could change that to kamala hold on should a woman put 0.99

00:01:49 mayo when they make you a sandwich is a good one that's it not obviously i'm just fucking kidding 0.96

00:01:56 i stole that from someone in my chat all right well look dude i have to invite you to the server

00:02:00 i'm gonna save the link don't leak it on your stream yet i'm gonna okay i'm gonna save you the

00:02:04 link i'm gonna give you rolls so you'll you'll be able to just hop right in all right okay all right

00:02:08 let me send the server to you right now i'll see you in a second okay all righty hey sneeko nobody the

00:02:13 cameras are off okay nice he's not doing it

00:02:17 hey sneeko by the way when they went to do lean for his birthday yesterday i left what are you

00:02:24 saying i went back to my b&b what are you saying they hired prostitutes to drink lean to celebrate

00:02:29 his birthday he's lying there were no prostitutes and there was no lean drake got him the best trip 0.98

00:02:34 club he got him that back room all right all right what oh my god wanted you hear that

00:02:39 i don't know what that sound is nick hey all right go ahead and put your camera on

00:02:46 okay all right let me do this should we just have our camera off and put it the top left i think i

00:02:51 might be better right yeah i'll turn the camera off all right so nick i'm gonna turn my camera off

00:02:55 when we drag the first girl in here okay how should the format be guys so we basically just have one 0.99

00:03:00 girl join per like how should we do it what's the what's the way we should do it um so if you want

00:03:04 to do it similar to jubilee it was like all girls join each um yeah we spend 20 minutes max on each

00:03:11 topic i agree yeah i think i think we go one at a time no but there's five of them and we want to

00:03:15 keep cycling through but i think a good segment would be if all five coming at once to debate

00:03:18 like i want to see okay so all five coming at once and then each girl has like what two minutes to 1.00

00:03:24 basically respond to the question yeah they go back and forth i think you go two minutes back and

00:03:27 forth but yeah we just serve mute them okay that's fine let's drag everyone in here we're gonna have

00:03:32 everyone introduce themselves first can you flip this one here yeah i was gonna say hold on um

00:03:38 let me text jade again i think we have another headphones we could just set up oh hello hey that's 0.98

00:03:44 not a girl is that a feminine are you a feminist but male i'm talking about the black guy the black 0.99

00:03:53 okay yeah oh you're a feminist you would be right okay i'm trying to turn my camera on it's tough 0.97

00:04:00 all right exactly this looks like a netflix show

00:04:03 all right we're just waiting on the rest oh wow

00:04:09 can we put the boobs away what kind of stream is this what are we what are we doing is this a 0.98

00:04:25 debate or oh my god dude wait hold on who's this what their camera on right here free the nipple 0.98

00:04:32 neck that's why i even pushed it back so that we could get more boobs can we put on like a sweatshirt 1.00

00:04:39 or something a burka they're gonna burka yeah oh fuck lico but lico what if he has a wired 0.98

00:04:47 headphones because i have an aux cord oh yeah i don't think it'd work i think i've got a very 0.99

00:04:51 diverse panel it's my fucking intersectional yeah burnout we see you we're just waiting on 0.96

00:04:56 one more person um shiana and uh prismel who is this right here they have to put the camera on 0.97

00:05:03 their their name hello shiana how you doing

00:05:05 all right perfect we're just waiting on one more person to fix their camera and we're ready to

00:05:11 start okay um jazz yeah i'm gonna get jazz there's no nipples that'll flop out right 0.99

00:05:18 no no look it's not all right i just i don't want to get banned is all you know i can barely hear her 0.79

00:05:24 over the boobs uh okay nick if you right click each individual's picture you can turn their volume

00:05:37 up by the way okay cool all right we're i want to get started we're just waiting on one more person

00:05:44 guys for now you guys want to introduce yourself burnout you can go on and uh start introducing

00:05:48 yourself um talk about yourself give a little introduction go ahead hi i'm burnout i'm brooklyn

00:05:55 bass i'm an artist and musician and you know i'm here for the feminists you feel me salute all right

00:06:04 that's great that's great okay um i'm sorry your name doesn't pop up but the um oh there we go i see

00:06:10 you now hello you can go ahead and introduce yourself blonde hair girl with dreads 0.97

00:06:16 i heard going crazy i mean that is that not what she has no you're absolutely right i just you know

00:06:25 i'm picking up by the description a little bit okay um go ahead

00:06:32 uh blonde dreads 0.94

00:06:35 okay can you guys hear me yeah yeah okay um hey everyone i'm jada um

00:06:48 i'm a criminologist i'm a student and yeah i'm excited to be on why did you decide to join this debate today

00:07:01 just because i like arguing no i'm kidding um i am really excited to try to change this guy's point of

00:07:14 view um i've seen some of his stuff so yeah perfect that's great wait so one more time uh what's your

00:07:23 name jada jada and then top left uh burnout just call you burnout yeah i'm just burnout okay great

00:07:30 um okay the next girl if you can please introduce yourself and uh give a little description and

00:07:34 why you decided to uh be here today yep yes okay my name is christine i'm a crisis line specialist for

00:07:41 domestic violence crisis line and i make music as well but i kind of want to be on here because i

00:07:46 think a lot of people ideas of feminism is like you know the taylor swift white feminism or the woman 0.75

00:07:52 that wear pink pussy hats and i just want to say like we're not all like 0.98

00:07:55 prisma that girl has to fix her shit or i'm kicking her bro it's ruining the layout um i try to look 0.99

00:08:00 up nick's stuff and i got luck everywhere else but tiktok i looked up nick fuentes and it said 0.95

00:08:05 against community bylines and nick fuentes with a z against community by like uh guidelines i was

00:08:10 like oh my god they really don't want to show his stuff but i gotta watch a few of your um your stuff

00:08:15 and things like on youtube and they love you on twitter so yeah

00:08:20 okay guys very good real quick there's somebody with their camera off if you guys can just please

00:08:25 try to keep it on because it's going to ruin the layout of the streams for me and nick um but i

00:08:30 appreciate that uh thank you thank you guys just have your camera straight okay uh what was your name

00:08:33 again c christine yeah gotcha nice to meet you okay is that key you can go ahead and introduce yourself

00:08:41 while you're here wait can you guys see me yes yeah i can see you yes we can see myself um but yeah

00:08:48 my name is isaac i'm from houston um i'm currently a college student uh majoring in political science

00:08:55 and of course i know who nick is i know aiden ross is i know sneaker i don't agree with all the you know

00:09:02 a lot of you guys but i am looking forward to a productive discussion okay why did you decide to

00:09:07 join this debate today well i've been a lifelong feminist and i just recently started getting into

00:09:14 political sphere uh i appeared in the last jubilee video um covering this exact topic um so yeah

00:09:21 that's pretty much it okay that sounds great and uh in the middle oh we can't hear you if you can

00:09:29 just i think yeah jasmine's yeah jazz uh your mic's not selected if you go to the bottom middle of your

00:09:36 screen you can select your okay so i'm gonna keep sleeping oh sorry my bad i was trying to put the

00:09:41 camera you're good i i kind of can't see myself i know i'm mobile i think you guys can see me but

00:09:46 i can't see you yeah so on mobile on mobile on mobile if you guys are on your phones you're not

00:09:49 able to see yourselves but i promise you we can see you if we can't i'll say something

00:09:52 okay if you guys can the ones that are mobile tilt your uh your phones um horizontal horizontally

00:09:59 meaning um hamburger style if you guys can't yeah but you have to turn off the lock thing on your

00:10:05 phone um burn out uh and then if you could do that as well sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh shwash 0.50

00:10:11 Cheyenne you got it right

00:10:13 sorry I'm sorry

00:10:14 and then

00:10:17 oh I have to unlock it

00:10:23 yeah screen lock

00:10:23 I'm so sorry

00:10:26 it's like a zoom class

00:10:28 heaven your mic is muted

00:10:32 can we get a mail to help

00:10:37 with this please

00:10:39 guys guys

00:10:42 he's just

00:10:44 I'm just

00:10:46 he's just

00:10:47 breaking the ice

00:10:52 all right hold on

00:10:53 we can't hear you Jazz

00:10:54 Jazz we cannot hear you

00:10:58 okay

00:10:59 we can see you

00:11:01 can't hear you

00:11:02 we can definitely see you

00:11:04 she's doing a strip show 1.00

00:11:07 well then I'll go

00:11:09 yeah go ahead Cheyenne

00:11:10 my name is Cheyenne

00:11:12 I am

00:11:13 from Florida

00:11:14 born and raised

00:11:15 and I am an actor

00:11:18 and I wanted to join this debate

00:11:20 to kind of see

00:11:21 I don't really think

00:11:23 you're a bad person

00:11:24 I just don't agree on

00:11:25 the stuff you say

00:11:26 and I am a feminist

00:11:28 so I want to see

00:11:28 if this can be

00:11:29 a better outcome

00:11:31 for both of us

00:11:32 so we both get a better

00:11:33 understanding

00:11:33 because people just think

00:11:35 feminist and they think 0.95

00:11:35 oh she hates men 1.00

00:11:37 and that's not true

00:11:38 whatsoever

00:11:38 what movies have you

00:11:41 acted in before

00:11:42 just local

00:11:45 in like Florida

00:11:45 oh nice

00:11:47 thank you

00:11:48 okay cool

00:11:49 all right

00:11:51 are we ready to get started

00:11:52 Heaven is your mind

00:11:53 sorry not

00:11:53 wait Heaven

00:11:54 you're good

00:11:55 Jazz are you fixed

00:11:56 I don't think so

00:11:58 yeah you're fixed

00:11:59 no you're good

00:11:59 we hear you

00:12:00 all right Jazz

00:12:02 go ahead

00:12:03 you can give an introduction

00:12:04 and also tell us

00:12:05 why you're here today

00:12:05 okay

00:12:07 my name is Jasmine Jafar

00:12:08 otherwise known

00:12:09 as the 304 lawyer

00:12:11 I was a lawyer

00:12:13 and then I turned

00:12:14 to an OnlyFans star

00:12:16 and I'm here today

00:12:17 because I think

00:12:18 that it'll be easy

00:12:19 to dismantle

00:12:20 oh she's OnlyFans 1.00

00:12:21 talking points 1.00

00:12:22 oh shit 1.00

00:12:22 okay 1.00

00:12:24 how long have you been

00:12:25 doing OnlyFans for

00:12:26 since 2021

00:12:28 oh wow

00:12:29 okay

00:12:30 are you here to debate

00:12:31 or are you here for promo

00:12:32 promo

00:12:34 and debate

00:12:35 all right both

00:12:36 at least you're being honest

00:12:37 about it

00:12:37 yeah

00:12:38 all right

00:12:39 well guys

00:12:39 we're gonna get started here

00:12:40 this is me talking

00:12:43 Aiden

00:12:43 nice to meet all of you

00:12:44 my buddy Sneeko here

00:12:45 has helped me do this thing

00:12:46 I'm not really the best

00:12:47 when it comes to hosting this stuff

00:12:48 he's here today

00:12:48 we're gonna start by

00:12:50 asking you guys questions

00:12:50 right

00:12:51 we're gonna go in order

00:12:51 how I'm gonna do it

00:12:53 is the first topic

00:12:53 for example

00:12:54 we're gonna do

00:12:55 Kamala versus Trump

00:12:57 we're gonna start off with that

00:12:58 I'm gonna have

00:12:59 you guys all stay

00:13:01 who you guys

00:13:01 obviously

00:13:02 well you guys obviously

00:13:03 are a lot of you guys

00:13:04 say Kamala

00:13:04 tell us why

00:13:05 and then we're gonna give

00:13:06 you guys about

00:13:07 would you say 90 seconds

00:13:08 well I think

00:13:09 because we have everyone

00:13:10 in the panel

00:13:11 it seems like everybody

00:13:12 already knows what

00:13:13 we believe on these subjects

00:13:15 we can let Nick

00:13:16 give an opening statement

00:13:17 and then we'll just let

00:13:18 everybody respond like

00:13:20 well let's go in order

00:13:21 yeah I think

00:13:22 it could be free flowing

00:13:23 I think it'd be better

00:13:24 to go free flowing

00:13:25 to start

00:13:25 and then after 10 minutes

00:13:27 or so

00:13:27 then we could switch

00:13:28 to more in order

00:13:29 but because we're just starting

00:13:31 we're figuring everyone out

00:13:32 let's keep it free flowing

00:13:33 and then if it's too many

00:13:34 interruptions

00:13:35 then we'll have to

00:13:35 we'll step in

00:13:36 but let's do 10 minutes

00:13:38 free flowing

00:13:38 and then see how that goes

00:13:39 in there

00:13:39 and then adjust

00:13:40 with more time

00:13:41 I think to be easier

00:13:42 just raise your hand

00:13:43 if you want to speak

00:13:43 and kind of whoever

00:13:44 raised their hand

00:13:45 after Nick does

00:13:45 his little statement

00:13:46 you guys can go off

00:13:47 like that

00:13:48 it's just much easier

00:13:48 so you guys don't talk

00:13:49 to each other

00:13:49 yeah yeah

00:13:49 so Nick go ahead

00:13:50 and start it off

00:13:51 Trump versus Kamala

00:13:52 Nick I already know

00:13:53 how you feel about that

00:13:54 but you obviously

00:13:55 who would you prefer Nick

00:13:56 between the two

00:13:57 go ahead

00:13:58 sure well first

00:14:00 I just want to

00:14:01 introduce myself

00:14:02 for those that don't know

00:14:03 I'm Nick Fuentes

00:14:04 and I agree

00:14:06 I think it's going to be

00:14:06 a good debate

00:14:07 you know I'll keep it civil

00:14:09 and you know

00:14:10 we don't hate anybody

00:14:11 I'm glad

00:14:12 I forget who said it

00:14:13 but yeah I don't hate anybody

00:14:14 and I think we do

00:14:16 just have a difference

00:14:17 of opinion

00:14:18 it's fundamentally

00:14:18 just a different world view

00:14:20 people that are feminist

00:14:20 and people that are traditional

00:14:22 and I think they're

00:14:23 well the traditional viewpoint

00:14:25 is slandered

00:14:26 but it's been around

00:14:27 for thousands of years

00:14:28 so it's obviously valid

00:14:30 I think on that basis alone

00:14:31 but with regard to

00:14:33 Trump versus Kamala

00:14:34 I do have to put out

00:14:37 a disclosure at the beginning

00:14:38 I'm actually not going

00:14:39 to vote for Trump

00:14:41 but I do think that Trump

00:14:43 would be the better candidate

00:14:45 and you know people say

00:14:46 well how can that be

00:14:47 I talk about it a lot

00:14:49 on my show

00:14:49 but for the purpose

00:14:50 of the debate

00:14:51 let's just say

00:14:52 I'm defending Trump

00:14:53 I do think he'd be

00:14:54 the better president

00:14:54 and the biggest thing

00:14:57 I think that Trump represents

00:14:58 or what he represented

00:15:00 at one time

00:15:01 was national sovereignty

00:15:03 that's the biggest issue

00:15:04 that we have going on

00:15:05 which is that the people

00:15:06 of the country

00:15:07 are not in charge

00:15:08 of the country

00:15:09 when you look at

00:15:10 who's in charge

00:15:10 of the country

00:15:11 it is donors

00:15:13 it is elite media

00:15:14 lobbyists

00:15:14 people like that

00:15:15 and they've been pushing

00:15:17 a series of policies

00:15:18 I'm going to talk about

00:15:19 three specifically

00:15:20 that are destroying

00:15:21 the country

00:15:21 mass immigration

00:15:23 legal and illegal

00:15:25 free trade

00:15:26 which is the movement

00:15:27 of goods without tariffs

00:15:28 or duties

00:15:29 or anything like that

00:15:30 and foreign wars

00:15:31 nation building

00:15:32 and regime change

00:15:34 in foreign countries

00:15:35 those are the three pillars

00:15:36 of what he called

00:15:37 in 2016 globalism

00:15:39 and these are all policies

00:15:40 that enrich

00:15:41 the elite of the country

00:15:43 while they impoverish

00:15:44 and injure

00:15:45 the people of the country

00:15:46 and so for that reason

00:15:48 I'm defending

00:15:48 broadly speaking

00:15:49 Trump and his movement

00:15:50 insofar as he is defending

00:15:53 national sovereignty

00:15:54 and reversing

00:15:55 and dismantling globalism

00:15:56 cool perfect

00:15:58 let's start with

00:15:58 top left

00:15:59 your name is

00:16:00 Burnout

00:16:01 Burnout

00:16:01 we'll give you 30 seconds

00:16:02 and then we'll go around

00:16:03 30 second intro

00:16:03 for each one

00:16:04 Kamala versus Trump

00:16:05 and then we'll keep it

00:16:05 free flowing

00:16:06 Burnout

00:16:06 30 seconds

00:16:07 Kamala versus Trump

00:16:08 who do you prefer

00:16:08 I'm not gonna hold you guys

00:16:10 I prefer neither

00:16:11 based

00:16:13 I'm not gonna sit here

00:16:16 and be like

00:16:17 I'm gonna claim a team 0.99

00:16:18 I don't fuck with 0.99

00:16:20 what Kamala's on 1.00

00:16:21 am I allowed to curse

00:16:22 yes

00:16:23 you could say 1.00

00:16:24 I don't fuck with 1.00

00:16:25 what Trump is on 0.99

00:16:26 but if I had to

00:16:27 give an opinion

00:16:28 let's take a look

00:16:31 at the

00:16:32 both of the presidencies

00:16:33 what do we think

00:16:35 we achieve

00:16:36 where do we think

00:16:36 we achieve more

00:16:37 honestly

00:16:38 I'm gonna keep it

00:16:39 really real

00:16:39 and think

00:16:40 and say

00:16:41 that Kamala

00:16:41 really

00:16:42 I don't really see

00:16:43 what she did

00:16:43 other than getting

00:16:44 silk presses

00:16:44 I'm gonna keep

00:16:45 it a buck with you

00:16:46 I followed her career

00:16:47 before she became

00:16:49 vice president

00:16:49 he was doing

00:16:51 mass incarcerations

00:16:52 for

00:16:52 you know

00:16:53 weed

00:16:54 which was really

00:16:55 like

00:16:56 hype cast

00:16:56 we should really ask

00:16:57 who likes Kamala here 1.00

00:16:58 we were just trying

00:16:59 to reach that place

00:17:00 so you did what

00:17:01 you had to do

00:17:01 so I just feel like

00:17:03 when it comes to character

00:17:04 she's not trustworthy

00:17:06 when it comes to character

00:17:07 for Trump

00:17:08 definitely not trustworthy

00:17:09 but at least we know

00:17:10 he's like

00:17:10 who he is

00:17:11 and that's where I stand

00:17:13 the next one

00:17:15 blonde 0.99

00:17:17 heaven

00:17:18 heaven

00:17:18 heaven you're next

00:17:21 go ahead

00:17:22 okay

00:17:22 so

00:17:23 I personally

00:17:25 am going to be voting

00:17:27 for Kamala Harris

00:17:29 I'm not a fan of Trump

00:17:31 I don't feel like

00:17:32 he's qualified

00:17:33 to be president

00:17:34 Kamala however

00:17:36 she is qualified

00:17:37 to be president

00:17:38 I know she's had some

00:17:41 she's been a part

00:17:42 of some

00:17:42 controversial

00:17:44 like

00:17:46 topics

00:17:47 and policies

00:17:48 however I feel like

00:17:50 if we're

00:17:52 should Nick

00:17:52 go at her 1.00

00:17:53 or just go around first

00:17:54 go around

00:17:55 the things that she's done

00:17:56 I'm not basing

00:17:58 but if we're talking

00:17:58 about things that she's done

00:18:00 versus Trump

00:18:01 I would say

00:18:03 she's the lesser evil 1.00

00:18:05 in this conversation

00:18:06 great

00:18:07 all right

00:18:08 that's great

00:18:08 let's go

00:18:09 let's go next

00:18:10 yeah so they're both

00:18:12 pro-Israel

00:18:13 and I'm obviously

00:18:14 pro-Palestine

00:18:15 so neither are

00:18:16 ideal

00:18:16 but I truly feel like

00:18:18 there's no such thing

00:18:20 as somebody that can't be

00:18:21 like a good president

00:18:22 but obviously that I choose

00:18:23 I choose Kamala 0.89

00:18:24 Trump

00:18:25 I don't know

00:18:26 he made a statement

00:18:27 talking about like

00:18:28 you know

00:18:28 if he wins

00:18:29 or we'll never

00:18:30 have to vote again

00:18:31 and that just sounds

00:18:32 kind of terrifying to me

00:18:33 like is he just gonna

00:18:33 like be like

00:18:35 is it gonna be

00:18:36 North Korea here 1.00

00:18:36 or something

00:18:37 but yeah

00:18:38 and then also

00:18:38 the stuff with

00:18:39 Project 2025

00:18:40 seems kind of

00:18:41 terrifying

00:18:42 but yeah

00:18:43 I know we have to

00:18:43 keep pushing

00:18:44 so that's what

00:18:44 I have to say

00:18:45 okay

00:18:47 sweet

00:18:47 thank you

00:18:48 Isaac

00:18:49 yeah

00:18:52 so

00:18:52 I agree

00:18:54 with what the

00:18:55 previous people said

00:18:56 I do think Kamala Harris

00:18:57 does have a shady history

00:18:58 and I am pro-Palestine

00:19:00 as well

00:19:00 and I do not support

00:19:02 sending money

00:19:03 and ammunition

00:19:04 to Israel

00:19:05 however

00:19:05 I'm not a single issue

00:19:06 voter

00:19:07 and we

00:19:08 you know

00:19:08 we live in a

00:19:09 two-party system

00:19:09 you know

00:19:10 so we have to make

00:19:11 do what the cards

00:19:11 were dealt

00:19:12 and

00:19:12 since a third-party

00:19:14 candidate has no

00:19:15 chance of winning

00:19:15 we have to make

00:19:16 two binary choices

00:19:17 and I'm gonna go

00:19:18 with Kamala Harris

00:19:19 because

00:19:19 she is the lesser

00:19:20 of two evils

00:19:21 and I also think

00:19:22 Donald Trump

00:19:23 is the most dangerous 0.56

00:19:23 president in modern history

00:19:25 that's just my

00:19:26 personal opinion

00:19:27 but yeah

00:19:28 let's go to the

00:19:31 next

00:19:31 Jazz

00:19:32 oh

00:19:36 exactly

00:19:37 this is

00:19:40 yeah

00:19:41 you're muted

00:19:42 all right

00:19:44 should we just 1.00

00:19:45 kick her 1.00

00:19:45 it's just been 0.89

00:19:46 no no 0.98

00:19:47 it's not kick her 0.95

00:19:48 so

00:19:49 let her 0.89

00:19:50 let her fix it 0.94

00:19:53 that's not nice

00:19:53 that was sneaky

00:19:55 who said that

00:19:55 by the way

00:19:55 not Aiden Ross

00:19:56 go ahead

00:19:57 I feel like

00:19:59 that was a sneak

00:20:00 thing

00:20:00 well we're into

00:20:02 the debate

00:20:03 we should have

00:20:03 the technology

00:20:03 going but

00:20:04 Shiana 30 seconds

00:20:05 on Kamala

00:20:05 versus Trump

00:20:06 who do you prefer

00:20:06 I prefer Kamala

00:20:09 but I will say

00:20:10 this

00:20:10 about Trump

00:20:11 there's a lot

00:20:12 of people

00:20:13 who hate him

00:20:14 but there's also

00:20:15 a lot of people

00:20:15 who like him

00:20:16 who think

00:20:17 just like him

00:20:18 however

00:20:19 I do not agree

00:20:20 with both parties

00:20:21 when it comes

00:20:21 to immigration

00:20:22 I'm pro-Palestine 0.87

00:20:24 too as well

00:20:25 however

00:20:26 whoever was

00:20:28 going to be

00:20:28 the next president

00:20:29 of this country

00:20:30 regardless of

00:20:31 how we all feel

00:20:32 we're going to

00:20:34 forever fund

00:20:34 war

00:20:35 we're going to

00:20:36 forever fund

00:20:36 all these things

00:20:37 and the thing

00:20:39 that really bothers

00:20:40 me about Trump

00:20:41 is

00:20:41 is not the fact

00:20:43 that he can say

00:20:44 whatever he wants

00:20:45 it's the fact

00:20:45 that he can get

00:20:45 away with it

00:20:46 and that's not

00:20:48 something I approve

00:20:49 of that's not

00:20:49 something I would

00:20:51 want anybody

00:20:52 to look up

00:20:52 and be like

00:20:53 oh yeah

00:20:53 that's my

00:20:53 president right

00:20:54 there

00:20:54 I'll be ashamed

00:20:56 not for Kamala

00:20:58 I do not agree

00:20:58 how her upcoming

00:20:59 was it was

00:21:00 very shady

00:21:00 but however

00:21:02 I give credit

00:21:03 when credit is due 0.99

00:21:04 and damn 1.00

00:21:04 that lady 1.00

00:21:05 worked hard

00:21:05 to get there

00:21:06 okay

00:21:07 that's how I have

00:21:08 said

00:21:08 so you

00:21:09 okay

00:21:09 so okay

00:21:09 okay

00:21:10 got it

00:21:10 now a lot

00:21:11 of you guys

00:21:11 are you know

00:21:12 kind of going

00:21:13 off of

00:21:14 I'll be real

00:21:14 like you guys

00:21:15 are being up

00:21:15 front

00:21:15 I'll be up

00:21:16 front too

00:21:16 a lot of you

00:21:18 guys have the

00:21:18 same

00:21:19 some of the

00:21:19 same views

00:21:19 as Nick

00:21:20 when it comes

00:21:21 to this stuff

00:21:21 but I want to

00:21:22 ask you guys

00:21:22 a question

00:21:23 is there

00:21:23 anybody here

00:21:24 that genuinely

00:21:24 believes that

00:21:25 Donald Trump

00:21:25 is racist 0.99

00:21:25 and if you do

00:21:26 please raise

00:21:27 your hand

00:21:27 okay

00:21:31 so let's

00:21:31 I'm Asian

00:21:32 all the comments

00:21:33 he made

00:21:34 during COVID

00:21:34 we all know

00:21:35 I'm sure

00:21:35 the test 0.65

00:21:36 black jobs 0.99

00:21:37 okay 0.90

00:21:38 so Nick

00:21:39 is that a better

00:21:40 topic

00:21:40 let's discuss this

00:21:43 yeah

00:21:43 let's go free

00:21:44 for long

00:21:44 from this

00:21:44 sure

00:21:45 sure

00:21:45 yeah

00:21:45 that's

00:21:46 that's

00:21:46 fair

00:21:46 I guess

00:21:47 yeah

00:21:48 I mean

00:21:48 let's talk

00:21:49 about

00:21:49 Trump

00:21:50 being racist 0.87

00:21:50 I

00:21:51 if anything

00:21:53 I don't

00:21:53 think he's

00:21:54 racist

00:21:54 enough

00:21:54 that's my

00:21:55 opinion

00:21:56 but I have

00:21:56 a different

00:21:57 definition

00:21:57 of racism

00:21:58 than you

00:21:58 guys

00:21:59 let's just

00:22:00 be honest

00:22:00 Trump

00:22:01 is in

00:22:02 favor

00:22:02 of mass

00:22:04 immigration

00:22:04 Trump

00:22:05 changed

00:22:05 his policy

00:22:06 in June

00:22:07 and said

00:22:07 that he

00:22:08 wants to

00:22:08 staple green

00:22:09 cards

00:22:09 to the

00:22:09 diplomas

00:22:10 of every

00:22:11 foreign

00:22:11 student

00:22:11 that comes

00:22:12 to America

00:22:12 whether it's

00:22:13 a two-year

00:22:13 four-year

00:22:14 graduate

00:22:15 degree

00:22:15 doesn't

00:22:16 matter

00:22:16 all those

00:22:17 green cards

00:22:18 are coming

00:22:18 from non-white

00:22:19 countries 0.81

00:22:19 they're coming

00:22:19 from Pakistan

00:22:20 they're coming

00:22:20 from India

00:22:21 they're coming

00:22:21 from China

00:22:22 if you are 0.99

00:22:23 truly a racist

00:22:24 and you 0.99

00:22:25 and the thing

00:22:26 that you know

00:22:26 people that are

00:22:27 race conscious

00:22:28 or white

00:22:29 identitarian

00:22:30 what they deeply

00:22:30 care about

00:22:31 is the racial 0.68

00:22:32 makeup of the

00:22:32 country

00:22:33 you know

00:22:33 the most stark

00:22:34 thing that is

00:22:35 going on

00:22:35 in the history

00:22:36 of the United

00:22:36 States

00:22:36 right now

00:22:37 is that the

00:22:38 country was

00:22:39 90% white

00:22:41 and within 10

00:22:42 years it's going

00:22:42 to be 50%

00:22:43 white

00:22:44 that is a

00:22:45 massive change

00:22:46 with significant

00:22:47 effects

00:22:47 whether you think

00:22:48 it's good

00:22:48 bad

00:22:49 neutral

00:22:49 it's a huge

00:22:51 change

00:22:51 and it's happening

00:22:52 all over the world

00:22:53 and where does

00:22:54 Trump stand

00:22:54 on that issue

00:22:55 he is supporting

00:22:57 the demographic

00:22:58 transition

00:22:58 supporting a

00:23:00 less white 0.65

00:23:01 America

00:23:01 so you know

00:23:02 in that sense

00:23:03 I would also say

00:23:04 I mean look at the

00:23:04 people he surrounds

00:23:05 himself with

00:23:06 Tim Scott

00:23:07 from South Carolina

00:23:08 among others

00:23:09 if you looked

00:23:10 at the RNC

00:23:11 the first day

00:23:12 it was like

00:23:13 all black men 0.74

00:23:13 it was actually

00:23:15 notable

00:23:15 almost everybody

00:23:16 that went up

00:23:17 and spoke

00:23:17 on the stage

00:23:18 which he

00:23:19 I mean

00:23:19 he specifically

00:23:21 created the agenda 0.94

00:23:22 it's all black men 1.00

00:23:23 they gave a tribute

00:23:24 at the very end

00:23:25 to the

00:23:25 Sikh God 0.93

00:23:26 Waheguru

00:23:27 which I protested

00:23:29 as a traditional

00:23:30 Catholic

00:23:30 so I mean

00:23:31 you could give

00:23:32 like

00:23:32 a ton of reasons

00:23:34 but I think

00:23:35 he totally lacks

00:23:36 prejudice

00:23:36 I'll give one

00:23:37 other anecdote

00:23:38 I went to

00:23:39 Mar-a-Lago

00:23:39 with Kanye West

00:23:41 a couple years ago

00:23:42 and Trump was

00:23:43 nothing but nice

00:23:45 still has not

00:23:46 disavowed him

00:23:47 to this day

00:23:48 if anything

00:23:49 stood by him

00:23:50 even though he was

00:23:50 cancelled and said

00:23:51 he's a good guy

00:23:52 but misunderstood

00:23:53 but he has a good heart

00:23:54 which is how I see him

00:23:55 so I think that

00:23:57 there's not a racist

00:23:58 bone in his body

00:23:59 although sometimes

00:24:00 I wish he was

00:24:00 even a little bit

00:24:01 more race conscious

00:24:02 than he is

00:24:02 so that's what I would say

00:24:03 that sounds great

00:24:05 we'll let everyone

00:24:05 disagree

00:24:06 you can raise your hand

00:24:06 but first

00:24:07 Jazz

00:24:07 if you could

00:24:08 let's see your mic

00:24:09 one more time

00:24:09 you still haven't spoke

00:24:10 does it work

00:24:11 yes it works now

00:24:12 thank you

00:24:12 so burnout

00:24:13 why do you think

00:24:14 that Nick is wrong

00:24:15 just guys

00:24:15 raise your hand

00:24:16 and burnout

00:24:17 raise your hand first

00:24:17 I would like to ask him

00:24:18 a question

00:24:19 like what is your

00:24:20 definition of racism

00:24:21 it's a good question

00:24:23 I mean that's the

00:24:24 important definition

00:24:25 you know me

00:24:26 I see myself

00:24:27 as a racialist

00:24:28 I think that race

00:24:29 is real

00:24:30 I think that we have

00:24:31 to grapple with it

00:24:32 you know people

00:24:33 are tribal

00:24:33 so I guess

00:24:35 the working definition

00:24:36 would be

00:24:37 you know race

00:24:38 based hatred

00:24:39 does he hate people

00:24:40 or have prejudice

00:24:41 for people

00:24:41 based on their race

00:24:42 would be my

00:24:43 definition

00:24:44 the next question is

00:24:46 do you think

00:24:48 your definition

00:24:49 of racism

00:24:49 applies universally

00:24:51 to everyone

00:24:52 especially

00:24:52 the people

00:24:53 who are at the

00:24:55 will

00:24:56 like the hand

00:24:57 of racism

00:24:57 like the

00:24:59 oppressed

00:25:00 or the oppressors

00:25:01 and do you think

00:25:02 racism

00:25:03 is an oppressive

00:25:04 institution

00:25:05 or do you just think

00:25:06 oh

00:25:06 racism is

00:25:08 hating

00:25:08 on people

00:25:09 well the definition

00:25:11 is totally subjective

00:25:12 I think it's a very

00:25:13 ambiguous word

00:25:14 I mean what

00:25:15 what does racism

00:25:16 mean

00:25:16 does it mean

00:25:17 you believe

00:25:17 that race

00:25:18 is a determinative

00:25:19 factor

00:25:19 or do you think

00:25:20 that you know

00:25:21 like left wing 0.71

00:25:22 people do

00:25:22 I imagine you do

00:25:23 based on what

00:25:24 you're saying

00:25:24 that race

00:25:25 is you know

00:25:27 one of these

00:25:27 categories

00:25:28 that's used

00:25:28 to oppress

00:25:29 people

00:25:29 it's totally

00:25:30 subjective

00:25:30 and that's why

00:25:31 we have to meet

00:25:32 on the definitions

00:25:33 but no

00:25:33 I don't believe

00:25:35 I mean what

00:25:36 exactly is the

00:25:37 question

00:25:37 people disagree

00:25:38 about what

00:25:39 racism means

00:25:40 absolutely

00:25:40 okay

00:25:41 universally

00:25:42 I would say

00:25:44 racism

00:25:44 is

00:25:46 the

00:25:47 institutionalized

00:25:48 practice

00:25:49 of putting

00:25:50 a

00:25:51 marginalized

00:25:53 people

00:25:53 down

00:25:54 and keeping

00:25:55 them down

00:25:55 whether it's

00:25:57 thoughts

00:25:58 whether it's

00:25:59 speech

00:26:00 whether it's

00:26:01 being rejected

00:26:02 from a job

00:26:03 because

00:26:03 how you look

00:26:05 your skin

00:26:05 color

00:26:06 so anything

00:26:07 that has to

00:26:07 do with your

00:26:08 skin color

00:26:08 and you being

00:26:09 rejected

00:26:10 or dejected

00:26:11 or objectified

00:26:12 or subjectified

00:26:14 is the

00:26:15 definition of

00:26:16 racism

00:26:16 to me

00:26:17 and I think

00:26:17 that

00:26:18 from multiple

00:26:19 studies

00:26:20 and just

00:26:20 living real

00:26:21 life

00:26:21 a lot of

00:26:22 people will

00:26:22 agree with

00:26:23 that

00:26:23 so it's

00:26:25 just

00:26:25 it's not

00:26:26 as light

00:26:26 as you're

00:26:27 trying to

00:26:27 make it

00:26:27 seem

00:26:28 it's not

00:26:29 that at

00:26:29 all

00:26:29 and I

00:26:30 would consider

00:26:30 Donald Trump

00:26:32 to sit

00:26:32 under the

00:26:33 umbrella

00:26:33 of being

00:26:34 racist

00:26:34 just because

00:26:36 of how

00:26:37 he moves

00:26:37 his policies

00:26:38 what he

00:26:39 how he

00:26:40 deals with

00:26:40 people of

00:26:41 the opposite

00:26:42 race or

00:26:43 anybody that

00:26:43 is not

00:26:44 similar to

00:26:45 him

00:26:45 like who

00:26:46 can you

00:26:46 give an

00:26:46 example

00:26:47 um

00:26:49 anyone

00:26:50 look how

00:26:51 he talks

00:26:51 about

00:26:52 kamala

00:26:52 looks

00:26:53 how

00:26:53 he

00:26:53 talks

00:26:54 about

00:26:54 the

00:26:54 african

00:26:55 american

00:26:56 community

00:26:58 it's not

00:26:59 from a

00:27:00 place of

00:27:01 understanding

00:27:02 or

00:27:03 relation

00:27:03 it's

00:27:04 an

00:27:05 outside

00:27:05 observation

00:27:06 from

00:27:06 generalized

00:27:07 views

00:27:09 that are

00:27:10 just

00:27:10 stereotypical

00:27:11 really

00:27:12 because

00:27:12 have you

00:27:13 seen him

00:27:13 really

00:27:14 be

00:27:14 in

00:27:15 close

00:27:16 contact

00:27:17 with

00:27:17 anyone

00:27:17 who

00:27:18 is

00:27:18 actually

00:27:18 someone

00:27:19 who

00:27:19 is

00:27:19 a

00:27:19 clear

00:27:20 representation

00:27:20 of being

00:27:21 an african-american

00:27:22 person or a

00:27:23 person of another race

00:27:24 where he can sit down

00:27:25 and they'll be like

00:27:26 cool and not

00:27:28 have any type of

00:27:29 controversy

00:27:29 yeah

00:27:31 yeah

00:27:31 he

00:27:31 ben carson

00:27:32 was in his

00:27:33 cabinet

00:27:33 tim scott

00:27:34 was being

00:27:34 considered

00:27:35 for vp

00:27:36 one other

00:27:39 thing

00:27:39 real quick

00:27:40 real quick

00:27:41 nick

00:27:41 sorry

00:27:41 but isaac

00:27:42 you wanted

00:27:42 you were raising

00:27:43 your hand

00:27:43 for a while

00:27:44 i want to

00:27:44 get to

00:27:44 you isaac 0.73

00:27:45 what do

00:27:45 you have

00:27:45 to say

00:27:46 to that

00:27:46 and tell

00:27:46 me why

00:27:47 you think

00:27:47 trump

00:27:47 is a 1.00

00:27:47 racist

00:27:48 yeah

00:27:49 so so

00:27:50 i think

00:27:51 nick is really

00:27:52 good at

00:27:52 verbalizing his

00:27:53 points to

00:27:53 make it seem

00:27:54 like he really

00:27:55 knows what

00:27:55 he's talking

00:27:56 about but

00:27:56 racism

00:27:57 the word

00:27:58 is not

00:27:58 subjective

00:27:59 it's

00:27:59 the inherent

00:28:00 um superiority

00:28:02 complex to

00:28:02 another race

00:28:03 um there's

00:28:05 this clear

00:28:06 cut and dry

00:28:06 and i do

00:28:07 believe trump

00:28:08 is a racist

00:28:08 because um

00:28:09 he had a

00:28:10 civil case

00:28:10 you know

00:28:11 back in the

00:28:11 day because

00:28:12 he refused

00:28:13 to rent to 0.99

00:28:13 black people 0.99

00:28:14 in his 0.99

00:28:14 properties

00:28:15 you know

00:28:16 he called

00:28:16 for the

00:28:16 you know

00:28:17 the execution

00:28:18 he's ruining 1.00

00:28:19 my fucking 1.00

00:28:20 shit 1.00

00:28:20 he had the 1.00

00:28:20 birther

00:28:21 conspiracy

00:28:21 these are

00:28:22 things that

00:28:22 have been

00:28:22 around for

00:28:23 years

00:28:23 well-documented

00:28:24 cases of

00:28:25 racism

00:28:25 um so i

00:28:27 think the

00:28:27 reason you're

00:28:28 saying he's not

00:28:28 racist

00:28:29 racist 1.00

00:28:29 because you

00:28:30 have a

00:28:30 clear

00:28:30 misunderstanding

00:28:32 of what

00:28:32 racism is

00:28:33 but your

00:28:34 opinion is

00:28:34 not shared

00:28:35 by most

00:28:35 of the

00:28:36 world

00:28:36 especially

00:28:36 people who

00:28:37 who face

00:28:38 racism

00:28:38 like okay

00:28:40 do you a lot

00:28:40 of conservatives

00:28:41 like to talk

00:28:41 about like

00:28:42 white racism

00:28:44 so once you 0.97

00:28:44 agree that white

00:28:45 people are

00:28:45 discriminated against

00:28:46 because they're

00:28:47 white or is

00:28:48 that not

00:28:48 happening

00:28:49 yeah absolutely

00:28:50 yeah you

00:28:50 believe in

00:28:51 racism then

00:28:51 but only for

00:28:52 your own

00:28:53 people

00:28:53 so i

00:28:54 think that

00:28:55 well again

00:28:56 what is the

00:28:56 definition of

00:28:57 if the

00:28:58 definition of

00:28:58 racism

00:28:59 as burnout

00:29:00 said is uh

00:29:02 the systematic

00:29:03 oppression of a

00:29:04 person based on

00:29:05 race um you

00:29:07 know then you

00:29:08 would disagree

00:29:08 you would disagree

00:29:10 that white people 0.52

00:29:10 are discriminated

00:29:11 against right

00:29:12 if white people 0.99

00:29:13 are oppressors

00:29:13 individual

00:29:14 there's individual

00:29:15 racism that's

00:29:16 like a thought

00:29:16 you see somebody

00:29:17 outside

00:29:18 so what is the

00:29:19 definition then

00:29:20 you're you're

00:29:21 making the case

00:29:21 that it's it's

00:29:22 very clear cut

00:29:23 and there's no

00:29:23 ambiguity but

00:29:24 clearly there's

00:29:26 disagreement on

00:29:26 this panel

00:29:27 between you and

00:29:28 burnout even

00:29:29 prejudice would be

00:29:31 what the word

00:29:31 you're looking for

00:29:32 not racism

00:29:33 prejudice

00:29:34 discrimination

00:29:36 but when it

00:29:37 comes to like

00:29:38 racism is race 0.52

00:29:39 based discrimination

00:29:40 and prejudice

00:29:40 there's individual

00:29:42 racism that's

00:29:43 where somebody

00:29:43 sees another

00:29:44 person of another

00:29:45 race and they 0.72

00:29:46 you know

00:29:46 subconsciously do

00:29:47 not like them

00:29:48 and there's

00:29:48 institutional

00:29:49 or systemic

00:29:50 racism where

00:29:51 there are

00:29:51 foundations in

00:29:52 place to

00:29:53 keep people of 0.99

00:29:54 color down

00:29:54 i think you're

00:29:55 looking at it

00:29:56 from a very

00:29:56 narrow-minded

00:29:57 lens but

00:29:58 um i could

00:29:59 experience like

00:30:00 i could show

00:30:01 individual racism

00:30:02 towards you

00:30:02 a white person 0.59

00:30:03 however i can't

00:30:05 show any

00:30:06 institutional racism

00:30:07 towards you

00:30:07 because i'm not

00:30:08 in that position

00:30:08 of power to do

00:30:09 that to you

00:30:10 you understand

00:30:11 yeah i don't

00:30:14 are we debating

00:30:14 whether trump

00:30:15 is a racist

00:30:15 are we debating

00:30:16 whether the

00:30:17 definition of

00:30:17 racism is

00:30:18 universal

00:30:19 because i

00:30:19 think there's

00:30:20 a lot of

00:30:20 disagreement

00:30:21 that's the

00:30:27 you know

00:30:27 like i said

00:30:28 i think you're

00:30:29 you're more

00:30:29 arguing whether

00:30:30 there's an

00:30:31 objective definition

00:30:32 let's let's just

00:30:33 agree on what

00:30:34 we're talking

00:30:34 about you know

00:30:36 so your argument

00:30:37 is trump is

00:30:38 discriminating on

00:30:40 people on the

00:30:40 basis of race

00:30:42 as in the case

00:30:42 of central park

00:30:44 five and the

00:30:44 birther conspiracy

00:30:45 is that right

00:30:46 that would be

00:30:47 correct yes

00:30:48 okay so

00:30:49 well i mean

00:30:49 my pushback

00:30:50 would be you

00:30:51 know having

00:30:52 met the man

00:30:52 and and again

00:30:53 just seeing him

00:30:54 with black 0.98

00:30:54 people would 0.95

00:30:55 somebody that

00:30:56 has racial

00:30:57 hatred or

00:30:58 discriminates or

00:30:58 prejudice against

00:30:59 black people 0.99

00:31:00 appoint black 0.98

00:31:01 people in his

00:31:02 cabinet past

00:31:03 the first step

00:31:03 act commute

00:31:05 the sentences

00:31:06 of many black 0.97

00:31:07 felons who 1.00

00:31:07 had a peaceful

00:31:09 drug charge

00:31:10 and hang on

00:31:11 once that

00:31:11 one more

00:31:12 thing and

00:31:12 secured the

00:31:13 release of

00:31:14 lavar ball

00:31:14 kodak black

00:31:15 i think there

00:31:16 was one other

00:31:16 rapper in

00:31:17 norway or

00:31:18 sweden who

00:31:19 was uh

00:31:19 who was released

00:31:20 from prison

00:31:21 i mean so i

00:31:22 think when you

00:31:22 put all that

00:31:22 together i

00:31:23 don't think

00:31:24 someone who

00:31:24 was like a 0.94

00:31:24 white supremacist 0.79

00:31:25 would be

00:31:26 interested in

00:31:26 any of that

00:31:27 christine let's

00:31:28 uh you

00:31:28 christine raise

00:31:29 her hand

00:31:29 what's your

00:31:29 response to

00:31:30 that

00:31:30 can i

00:31:31 go

00:31:31 yeah christine

00:31:32 the asian

00:31:33 girl none

00:31:33 of that was

00:31:34 helpful to 0.50

00:31:34 the black

00:31:35 community in

00:31:36 any way

00:31:37 none of

00:31:37 those people

00:31:38 are helpful 0.97

00:31:39 to the black

00:31:40 community in

00:31:40 any type of

00:31:42 way or fashion

00:31:43 he did that

00:31:44 as a strategy

00:31:45 of course he's

00:31:47 going to move

00:31:47 strategically the

00:31:49 people who are

00:31:50 those are fans

00:31:53 or who pay

00:31:54 attention to the

00:31:54 people you named

00:31:55 don't really think

00:31:57 for themselves

00:31:58 they're very much

00:32:00 cheap and he's

00:32:03 gonna do anything 0.98

00:32:04 for the black

00:32:05 vote we've seen

00:32:06 that time and

00:32:06 time again

00:32:07 we've seen

00:32:08 that time

00:32:08 from not

00:32:09 even talking

00:32:09 about trump

00:32:10 from anybody

00:32:12 christine you

00:32:12 raised your

00:32:13 hand

00:32:13 yes i just

00:32:15 wanted to say

00:32:16 i don't i

00:32:17 just don't i

00:32:18 think there are

00:32:18 levels to racism

00:32:19 okay i know

00:32:21 many of people

00:32:22 know many of

00:32:22 people well i i'm

00:32:24 white but i have

00:32:24 black friends so

00:32:25 i'm not racist

00:32:25 okay but so

00:32:28 him like you

00:32:29 know calling the

00:32:30 china virus and

00:32:31 like things like

00:32:32 that so what is

00:32:32 that is that like

00:32:33 calling people so

00:32:33 is it just like

00:32:34 comedy it's just

00:32:35 funny it's not

00:32:35 racist

00:32:36 wasn't it just

00:32:38 descriptive i mean

00:32:38 the virus did come

00:32:40 from china

00:32:40 you're not wrong

00:32:43 okay

00:32:44 i agree he's not

00:32:48 a kkk member

00:32:50 he's not like a

00:32:52 white supremacist

00:32:53 but yeah like 0.91

00:32:53 obviously something

00:32:54 that he says

00:32:54 some people are

00:32:55 going to conceive

00:32:56 as problematic

00:32:57 and racist but

00:32:58 yes he can have 0.98

00:32:59 black friends but 0.57

00:32:59 he can still be 0.95

00:33:00 racist but i would

00:33:02 just argue is i'm

00:33:04 more conservative

00:33:05 than him on race

00:33:06 i'm far more

00:33:06 conservative than

00:33:07 him on race and

00:33:08 i i view him

00:33:09 authentically as

00:33:10 someone who does

00:33:11 not have racial

00:33:11 prejudice i mean

00:33:12 you got to

00:33:13 consider he's a

00:33:13 new yorker i mean

00:33:14 he grew up with

00:33:15 jews who are an 1.00

00:33:17 ethnic minority he

00:33:18 grew up in a very

00:33:19 diverse city he did

00:33:20 business with a lot

00:33:21 of different kinds of

00:33:21 people and even with

00:33:22 regard to china he

00:33:24 had a good

00:33:24 relationship with the

00:33:26 country of china he

00:33:27 respected their

00:33:27 leaders i mean he

00:33:28 said that when i was

00:33:29 with him at the

00:33:30 dinner he said we had a

00:33:31 great relationship but

00:33:31 we respected each

00:33:32 other and so on uh

00:33:34 they had um mitch

00:33:35 mcconnell's wife who

00:33:36 is uh chinese she 0.97

00:33:37 was the secretary

00:33:38 of transportation i

00:33:39 believe it was in

00:33:40 the cabinet so it

00:33:41 was a diverse cabinet

00:33:42 it was a diverse

00:33:42 white house you know

00:33:44 and and you can argue

00:33:45 well he's cynically

00:33:46 doing these things to

00:33:48 win the non-white vote

00:33:50 you know well if you

00:33:51 argue that everything

00:33:52 he does and it is in

00:33:53 bad faith you're sort

00:33:54 of arguing that you

00:33:55 know what's in his

00:33:55 heart all we can go

00:33:57 by is the outward

00:33:58 expression what does he

00:33:59 do what does he say

00:34:00 based on what he

00:34:01 says and does does

00:34:02 not appear to be a

00:34:03 racialist um does not

00:34:04 appear to be a racist 0.75

00:34:05 they're like a

00:34:07 president has a duty

00:34:07 to be president for

00:34:08 all americans so of

00:34:09 course he's going to

00:34:10 be diplomatic when it

00:34:11 comes to race but i

00:34:12 don't think that's a

00:34:12 reflection of how he

00:34:13 feels inside the same

00:34:15 way you're saying we

00:34:15 can't go off of you

00:34:17 know because we don't

00:34:17 know how he's feeling

00:34:18 inside you don't know

00:34:18 how he's feeling inside

00:34:19 either um so i do go

00:34:22 by actions and he has

00:34:23 many racist actions in

00:34:24 the past but just

00:34:25 because he wasn't you

00:34:26 know he was trying to

00:34:28 get to the the people

00:34:29 of color's votes

00:34:30 during his presidency

00:34:31 that's what a

00:34:32 president is supposed

00:34:33 to do they're

00:34:34 conditioned to reach

00:34:35 out to as many

00:34:35 people as possible

00:34:36 that doesn't mean

00:34:37 he's not racist just

00:34:38 because he's doing

00:34:38 something that

00:34:39 politicians are really

00:34:41 good at doing

00:34:41 reaching out to

00:34:42 people that's my two

00:34:43 cents yeah i don't

00:34:46 know i i just um

00:34:47 the thing is when it

00:34:48 comes to deeds and

00:34:49 actions they that's

00:34:50 the indicator that's

00:34:51 what we can look at

00:34:52 and you know it's

00:34:53 like you said the

00:34:54 ones that appear

00:34:55 racist you say well

00:34:56 that's indicative he's

00:34:56 racist the ones that

00:34:58 appear that he's not

00:34:59 racist they say well

00:35:00 that's just dishonest

00:35:01 it's it's a lie so

00:35:03 it's kind of like you're

00:35:03 picking and choosing the

00:35:04 things that that are

00:35:05 guilty well that's

00:35:07 definitive the things

00:35:07 that prove he's not

00:35:08 guilty well we can't

00:35:09 there's no credibility

00:35:10 we can't trust that

00:35:11 and i would just say

00:35:13 you know with regard to

00:35:14 trump altogether um

00:35:17 i also don't even think

00:35:18 it really matters that

00:35:20 much i mean because if

00:35:21 we're saying for the

00:35:22 sake of argument let's

00:35:23 say he is just putting

00:35:24 on this big display and

00:35:25 big show you say well

00:35:26 that's his job to be

00:35:27 diplomatic well then

00:35:29 was he not diplomatic

00:35:30 i mean was he not i

00:35:32 mean for example

00:35:32 something like with the

00:35:33 birther conspiracy i

00:35:35 don't think there's

00:35:36 anything necessarily

00:35:37 racist about that they

00:35:38 didn't say that obama

00:35:39 wasn't born here because 0.87

00:35:40 he was black they said 0.91

00:35:41 he wasn't born here 0.87

00:35:42 because he didn't live

00:35:44 in america for his

00:35:45 childhood and i think

00:35:46 there are a lot of

00:35:47 legitimate questions about

00:35:48 where this guy even came

00:35:50 from he lived in

00:35:50 indonesia his father was

00:35:52 from kenya i mean

00:35:53 there's questions about

00:35:54 ted cruz he raised the

00:35:55 same issue about ted

00:35:56 cruz because he was

00:35:58 born in canada and

00:35:59 wasn't born on the

00:36:00 land ted cruz i mean

00:36:01 he's cuban but by all

00:36:02 appearances he's white

00:36:03 does that make trump a

00:36:05 racist against cubans i

00:36:07 think it's a legitimate

00:36:07 question uh with

00:36:09 regard to the central

00:36:10 part five they're guilty

00:36:11 you know let's just be

00:36:12 honest they they got

00:36:13 they got off but they

00:36:15 were guilty

00:36:15 that's misinformation

00:36:17 that is misinformation

00:36:18 actually yes this is

00:36:22 misinformation you look 0.70

00:36:22 into the case it's just

00:36:23 true

00:36:24 the one getting released

00:36:26 because all of it was

00:36:27 live

00:36:28 yeah they got let off but

00:36:30 they were all guilty

00:36:31 okay what happens do you

00:36:33 have to back up that claim

00:36:34 yeah

00:36:35 i don't want to do a

00:36:37 debate about the central

00:36:37 part five

00:36:38 if you look into it

00:36:43 regurgitating things that

00:36:45 you haven't really looked

00:36:46 into

00:36:46 if you look into it

00:36:48 you'll find they were

00:36:48 guilty

00:36:49 okay can you please just

00:36:50 elaborate

00:36:50 i honestly want to hear

00:36:51 no please elaborate

00:36:52 i would like to see

00:36:53 yes

00:36:54 because

00:36:55 i'm really not interested

00:36:58 in debating the central

00:36:59 part five

00:37:00 if you want to say

00:37:00 that's racism

00:37:01 i'll concede that

00:37:03 and we could say

00:37:04 that's racist

00:37:04 it's okay but you got

00:37:06 to be accountable

00:37:07 okay let's move on

00:37:08 to the subject

00:37:09 i think that we

00:37:10 covered

00:37:10 hold on you can hear

00:37:12 correct i think that we

00:37:13 covered racism

00:37:13 let's move back on to

00:37:15 feminism okay 1.00

00:37:16 i think we covered if

00:37:17 trump is racist or not

00:37:18 let's start with nick 0.96

00:37:19 i'll give you uh one

00:37:20 minute

00:37:20 if you can answer

00:37:22 should women vote 1.00

00:37:23 no absolutely not

00:37:26 women should not vote 1.00

00:37:27 we should repeal the

00:37:28 19th amendment

00:37:29 we should take it away

00:37:30 they vote for the wrong

00:37:31 candidate every single

00:37:32 time

00:37:33 every single time the

00:37:34 women vote 0.98

00:37:34 democrat they vote for

00:37:36 the wrong person

00:37:37 they vote for more

00:37:38 spending

00:37:39 um well but above all

00:37:41 else i think that

00:37:42 women we have to look 1.00

00:37:44 at voting as a position

00:37:45 of governance

00:37:46 if you're casting a

00:37:47 vote you're determining

00:37:48 who should be in the

00:37:49 government in the

00:37:50 government and i don't

00:37:51 think that women should 1.00

00:37:51 be in the business of

00:37:52 government at all i think

00:37:53 that government and

00:37:54 leadership is a domain

00:37:55 of men and i think

00:37:57 honestly very few people

00:37:59 should vote all together

00:38:00 i think that it's not

00:38:01 just exclusive to women

00:38:02 i think that people that

00:38:03 have only been in the

00:38:04 country for a generation

00:38:05 or two shouldn't vote

00:38:06 i think people that

00:38:07 are indigent

00:38:07 shouldn't vote

00:38:08 i think that young

00:38:09 people shouldn't vote 1.00

00:38:10 i think probably people

00:38:11 that don't own anything

00:38:12 shouldn't vote

00:38:12 and i think um you know

00:38:14 we should get back to a

00:38:15 system where a vote is

00:38:16 cast really as a

00:38:18 representation

00:38:18 i think the vote should

00:38:20 be cast by the head of a

00:38:21 household

00:38:21 i think that if a woman 1.00

00:38:23 gets married her political

00:38:25 expression is represented

00:38:27 in the vote of her

00:38:28 husband in the vote of

00:38:29 the head of the

00:38:30 household i don't think

00:38:31 that it's women's 0.62

00:38:32 position uh to be in

00:38:34 leadership over men

00:38:35 over society um and i

00:38:37 think that uh it's it's

00:38:39 completely outside their

00:38:39 domain so i don't think

00:38:40 they should vote at all

00:38:41 and i think the evidence

00:38:42 is clear i mean ever

00:38:43 since they got the right

00:38:43 to vote it's been all

00:38:44 downhill burnout you want

00:38:46 to respond

00:38:46 do you want me to

00:38:49 respond no i'm kidding

00:38:49 i will actually um i

00:38:53 just want to ask a

00:38:54 question to lead you to

00:38:55 a point being in a

00:38:57 state of where we are

00:38:59 in this country knowing

00:39:01 that nothing but men 0.83

00:39:05 have president this

00:39:07 country you think that

00:39:09 women shouldn't have a 1.00

00:39:11 chance to run it you

00:39:12 think you're doing an

00:39:13 amazing job

00:39:14 yep 100 are you are

00:39:17 you here for the

00:39:18 progressiveness of the

00:39:19 country are you here to

00:39:21 stick to the cookie

00:39:21 cutter um you know

00:39:24 average white male

00:39:26 leading the world type of

00:39:28 vibe

00:39:28 totally average white male

00:39:30 leading the world i

00:39:31 well i think we should

00:39:31 have exceptional white

00:39:32 males leading the world 0.99

00:39:33 i think the world was a

00:39:34 great place when we had

00:39:36 more of that the more

00:39:37 we get away from that

00:39:38 the worst things seem to 0.66

00:39:39 get i think white men 0.80

00:39:41 should be back in charge

00:39:42 but that's another debate

00:39:43 i think women should 1.00

00:39:44 definitely not be in

00:39:45 charge i feel like i'm

00:39:48 not trying to generalize

00:39:49 but i feel like that

00:39:50 demographic causes more 0.99

00:39:51 harm to the country than

00:39:52 they ever did good and

00:39:54 that's i disagree that's

00:39:56 like from like something

00:39:57 as minuscule as a school

00:39:59 shooting

00:40:00 yeah but we invented

00:40:02 everything

00:40:03 in charge

00:40:04 like come on

00:40:05 you said women vote for 0.99

00:40:07 the wrong

00:40:08 wrong candidate

00:40:09 so why are you the

00:40:11 arbiter of what's

00:40:12 considered a wrong

00:40:12 candidate

00:40:13 you do know that the

00:40:14 same wrong candidates

00:40:15 that you're talking

00:40:16 about men vote for

00:40:17 them as well

00:40:18 yeah i know

00:40:19 and all these things

00:40:20 i know you said like

00:40:21 some mentioned vote too

00:40:22 but if you believe in a

00:40:24 democratic system

00:40:25 where every person

00:40:27 to vote should count

00:40:28 i assume so

00:40:29 i don't

00:40:30 why not

00:40:32 because i don't i mean

00:40:34 let's take for example

00:40:36 in this society right now

00:40:38 person turns 18 years old

00:40:40 they don't own anything

00:40:41 they've never had a real

00:40:42 job

00:40:43 they just graduate high

00:40:44 school

00:40:44 this is a person that's

00:40:46 voting for the president

00:40:47 of the united states

00:40:48 what do they know about

00:40:49 anything what do they know

00:40:49 about trade the economy

00:40:51 foreign affairs

00:40:51 what do they know about

00:40:52 one thing in the whole

00:40:53 world

00:40:53 a person that owns a

00:40:55 building knows more

00:40:56 about the world than

00:40:57 literally any 18 year old

00:40:58 alive today

00:40:59 somebody that knows where

00:41:00 water and electricity

00:41:02 come from

00:41:03 somebody that pays bills

00:41:04 somebody that owns a

00:41:05 company

00:41:05 these are people that

00:41:06 know how the country

00:41:07 actually works

00:41:08 the problem is people 0.66

00:41:09 look at a vote as a

00:41:10 privilege and they've

00:41:11 divorced it from why we

00:41:13 have the privilege and we

00:41:14 have the privilege because

00:41:15 the privilege is conferred

00:41:17 upon us by citizenship

00:41:18 citizenship

00:41:20 self-government means you

00:41:22 take responsibility for the

00:41:23 country

00:41:24 it's not just about you're a 0.99

00:41:25 total bum or you're lazy 1.00

00:41:27 or you know nothing and 0.98

00:41:29 then you get to cast a vote

00:41:30 if you're not really

00:41:32 upholding the

00:41:32 responsibilities of a

00:41:34 free man and a citizen

00:41:35 if you're not enterprising

00:41:36 if you're not a good

00:41:37 Republican

00:41:37 by Republican I don't

00:41:38 mean a member of the

00:41:40 GOP I mean a member of

00:41:41 the Republic which is you

00:41:42 know what this country is

00:41:44 I don't think you should be

00:41:44 able to vote

00:41:45 and I think there's a lot of

00:41:46 people that you know

00:41:47 whether they contribute

00:41:48 nothing or they know

00:41:49 nothing some of them

00:41:50 aren't even literate

00:41:51 some of them know

00:41:52 nothing about what's going

00:41:53 on the idea their vote

00:41:54 cancels out a business

00:41:56 owner their vote

00:41:57 cancels out a lawyer

00:41:59 it's totally insane

00:42:00 I have one point before I

00:42:02 move it on to my other

00:42:03 people but

00:42:04 I understand what you're

00:42:07 saying there are a lot of

00:42:08 people misinformed people

00:42:09 when they go to cast a

00:42:10 ballot but I don't think 0.99

00:42:12 that shit like we should 1.00

00:42:13 put in a system in place 1.00

00:42:14 where they don't get to

00:42:14 make their voices heard

00:42:15 because the president

00:42:17 rules the country that

00:42:18 means every single thing

00:42:19 they do will affect every

00:42:21 single person in this

00:42:22 country so they should have

00:42:23 a right to dictate how

00:42:25 their lives are going to

00:42:26 be governed whether

00:42:27 they're unformed or not

00:42:29 taking away so like

00:42:30 disenfranchising people

00:42:31 because we think they're

00:42:32 misinformed it's that's a

00:42:34 dangerous precedent

00:42:34 okay christine and then 0.97

00:42:36 cheyenne uh sorry christine

00:42:38 and cheyenne why should 0.98

00:42:39 women vote 0.98

00:42:39 ask questions so we're

00:42:42 saying no no stop with the

00:42:44 question but answer this

00:42:45 question first why should

00:42:46 women vote 0.98

00:42:47 okay so if women should have 1.00

00:42:50 should they also not work or

00:42:52 like or is it two separate

00:42:53 things because you know let's

00:42:54 say on subject why should

00:42:55 women vote 0.98

00:42:56 i think everyone has the

00:42:59 right to vote i'm sorry

00:43:00 that's all i'm gonna say

00:43:01 okay why should women vote 1.00

00:43:06 cheyenne

00:43:07 okay i can go now please

00:43:10 no interruptions okay i think

00:43:13 women should vote is because 1.00

00:43:14 first of all we're a human

00:43:15 being before anything and i

00:43:17 just think that's a little bit

00:43:18 disrespectful to say well she

00:43:21 can't vote women should vote 1.00

00:43:22 not because they're a human

00:43:24 being and they have rights

00:43:25 just like anybody else do

00:43:26 but why would you give

00:43:28 rights to the person who

00:43:29 birthed you

00:43:30 doesn't make any sense to

00:43:32 me

00:43:32 the reason why we're all

00:43:34 here today is because of a

00:43:36 woman and you're telling her 0.99

00:43:37 she can't vote 0.60

00:43:37 what's wrong with you

00:43:40 it's not really an argument i

00:43:44 mean

00:43:44 well let's start with one let's

00:43:46 start with one really good um

00:43:48 argument

00:43:48 the whole basis of a country

00:43:52 really the basis of the

00:43:53 country is that it's able to

00:43:54 defend its borders

00:43:55 that's kind of what a

00:43:56 country is a country is a

00:43:58 group of people that say

00:43:59 this land is our land and we

00:44:01 get to determine what

00:44:02 happens within these borders

00:44:04 now unfortunately there is

00:44:06 no entity higher than the

00:44:09 level of government that

00:44:10 enforces these rules when

00:44:11 russia invades ukraine there's 0.97

00:44:13 nobody that says you're not

00:44:14 allowed to do that if ukraine

00:44:16 can't defend its borders they

00:44:18 lose their land those 0.99

00:44:19 territories are no longer a

00:44:20 part of it so what makes a

00:44:22 country a country is the

00:44:25 willingness and the ability to

00:44:27 defend the borders and the 0.92

00:44:28 territorial integrity if america

00:44:31 is attacked from outside or

00:44:33 inside who goes to fight who

00:44:35 goes to fight the war to secure

00:44:37 the realm and defend our way of

00:44:38 life and our right to govern

00:44:40 ourselves it's the men it's the

00:44:43 men that go on the front lines it's

00:44:44 the men that take up arms it's the

00:44:46 men that are expected to do these

00:44:48 things and by the way the same is

00:44:49 true in a community if somebody

00:44:50 breaks into your home at 2 a.m

00:44:53 with a gun and a baseball bat or

00:44:55 whatever and they say we're gonna 1.00

00:44:56 hey bitch we're gonna kill you 1.00

00:44:58 we're gonna take all your stuff 1.00

00:45:00 who do you call cops what do you

00:45:02 want the cops to be you want some

00:45:04 five foot four little girl to jump 1.00

00:45:06 through the window and save you or

00:45:08 do you want a big tall guy to come

00:45:10 in and fix and save the day same

00:45:13 thing goes for firefighters same

00:45:14 thing goes for public works so for

00:45:17 that reason alone the logic you're

00:45:18 using wouldn't you say men should

00:45:21 just like be strong and let women

00:45:23 make mental decisions if that's your

00:45:26 strength if you're if you're equating

00:45:28 men to physical brute strength

00:45:31 shouldn't women be considered the 1.00

00:45:33 like brain of it all why would we 0.68

00:45:36 consider them that there are no

00:45:37 female geniuses but you're just 1.00

00:45:39 talking about men being irrational

00:45:41 being violent like men have to 0.99

00:45:43 protect women from other fellow men 1.00

00:45:45 katherine johnson who worked at nasa

00:45:47 that's not a female genius that's 1.00

00:45:49 fake i'm talking about real geniuses

00:45:51 real geniuses like isaac newton like

00:45:54 galileo i'm talking about real

00:45:56 geniuses not like figures being

00:45:58 geniuses because there are white males 0.91

00:46:00 when i guarantee you all of their work

00:46:03 could possibly be just copied off of

00:46:05 someone else who found it first 0.98

00:46:07 exactly wait like from black women 1.00

00:46:12 you identify with them when some you

00:46:15 can find someone in a different

00:46:16 country that knows way more than any

00:46:18 of them i'm not

00:46:19 considering people outside of yourself

00:46:23 could like be worth more than or more

00:46:27 knowledgeable than you because you

00:46:29 have

00:46:29 this narrow-minded view on who you deem

00:46:34 is the top of the totem pole but i

00:46:36 don't blame you for that that's

00:46:37 probably how your life was set up

00:46:39 that's probably why you don't have

00:46:42 any other views than that and why

00:46:43 you can't consider that other people

00:46:46 feel differently

00:46:47 i do consider that other people feel

00:46:50 differently

00:46:50 it's giving shelter it's giving

00:46:53 just because i've been here this is

00:46:56 the way it is and i'm seeing

00:46:58 different i don't like it so i'm

00:47:00 gonna put a stop to it

00:47:01 it's giving red-pilled it's giving

00:47:04 based it's uh

00:47:05 i didn't say albert einstein okay but

00:47:10 the thing is that the genius is you're

00:47:12 bringing up the reason why you know

00:47:14 about them is because they were in a

00:47:15 position where they were able to make

00:47:17 their voices heard

00:47:17 a lot of people of color aren't able

00:47:19 to do that so a lot of these geniuses

00:47:21 that you're talking about

00:47:22 there probably was a person of color

00:47:23 behind the entire operation but you

00:47:25 wouldn't know that because a lot of

00:47:28 people of color aren't in positions to 1.00

00:47:30 take credit for a lot of things

00:47:31 who is the person of color behind isaac

00:47:33 no knowledge

00:47:34 we can see how that dynamic

00:47:36 that they're the sole creators of

00:47:39 that would you not agree

00:47:40 no i i totally i the idea that you

00:47:44 know there's sort of like this like

00:47:47 black people of the gaps argument

00:47:49 where it's like if if we can find no

00:47:51 female geniuses throughout recorded

00:47:53 history if we can find no people of

00:47:55 color geniuses throughout recorded

00:47:56 history there's this assumption well

00:47:58 the white people they just stole it 0.98

00:48:00 from some black person somewhere and 0.99

00:48:02 we could just safely assume that 0.80

00:48:03 no i actually disagree with that i

00:48:06 think that we know about isaac

00:48:07 newton because he revolutionized

00:48:09 math and science we know about

00:48:10 galileo because he revolutionized

00:48:12 our understanding of space and the

00:48:14 cosmos and the world we know about

00:48:16 them because they did these

00:48:17 extraordinary things and when you

00:48:18 look at female inventors if you go 1.00

00:48:20 because i prepared for this debate

00:48:22 if you google female inventors and you

00:48:25 look at any website top 10 female

00:48:27 inventors in the top 10 is like ice

00:48:30 cream maker miracle mop coffee filter

00:48:33 you look at the things that men

00:48:34 invented it's like cars human flight

00:48:37 nuclear bomb rocket ships you know it's

00:48:39 like real things and so to get back to

00:48:42 the yeah go ahead

00:48:43 i want to talk wait one second one

00:48:50 second hold on okay we'll go in order

00:48:52 because it's getting more interruptions

00:48:53 start with jazz and then we'll go to

00:48:54 burnout and then back to isaac go ahead

00:48:55 jazz okay um from your opening

00:48:58 statement first you said that you just

00:49:00 don't like that women vote because 1.00

00:49:01 they don't vote for the candidate you

00:49:02 want but the other thing you said was

00:49:04 that women lack leadership quality so 1.00

00:49:06 i'm wondering what these qualities are

00:49:08 that all women don't have and that like 1.00

00:49:11 is a reason to categorically exclude

00:49:13 them because even if we go based off

00:49:14 of we should have informed voters we

00:49:16 should have voters that are paying

00:49:18 into taxes or whatever you were saying

00:49:19 there's a lot of women who would meet 1.00

00:49:21 that threshold and a lot of men that

00:49:23 wouldn't so what is your argument for

00:49:24 categorically excluding one group based

00:49:27 on their gender when many of them would

00:49:30 meet the the the requirements that you

00:49:33 had proposed risk-taking decisiveness

00:49:37 assertiveness disagree all women don't 0.95

00:49:40 have this all women don't have this and 1.00

00:49:41 all men do do you not know how like

00:49:43 averages work like when something hat

00:49:45 when when the one group is better at one

00:49:47 thing on average that does not mean

00:49:49 especially when it's a small effect size

00:49:50 for instance like agreeableness that's

00:49:52 like a point three so you're so while

00:49:54 you can make these statement that on

00:49:56 average women are more agreeable than 1.00

00:49:58 men it's by such a small amount that

00:50:00 when it comes to individuals like let's

00:50:02 say me and you it would literally be

00:50:04 like a coin toss on me being more

00:50:06 agreeable than you that's how that works

00:50:08 that's just statistics so i think that's 0.77

00:50:11 a really dim-witted way to view the

00:50:13 world that just because you're looking 0.79

00:50:14 you're looking at group averages and

00:50:16 then making individual judgments based

00:50:18 thought group averages but they're

00:50:20 categorically different men and women

00:50:21 are two different categories they have

00:50:23 different hormones they're wired

00:50:24 differently they're they're wired for

00:50:26 different roles you know no overlap do

00:50:28 you think there's no overlap do you

00:50:30 think it's a hundred percent men are

00:50:32 this way and a hundred percent women are 1.00

00:50:34 this way and there's no overlap it's

00:50:35 almost yeah it's nearly a hundred percent

00:50:37 i do not that's just scientifically not

00:50:40 well and i'll tell you why i'll tell you

00:50:42 why i think that you look at like right

00:50:44 now for instance we we arguably live in

00:50:48 the most liberal progressive feminist

00:50:50 society of all time europe and western

00:50:54 europe or western europe and north

00:50:55 america probably the most liberal

00:50:57 feminist progressive since the beginning

00:50:59 of recorded history we don't have any

00:51:02 female billionaires like very very few you 0.99

00:51:05 look at the top 10 female billionaires

00:51:07 they all got their money from

00:51:08 inheritance okay well if you're gonna if

00:51:11 you want a society that is a

00:51:12 meritocracy though like let's say like 50 i

00:51:14 think it's 15 percent of nobel prize

00:51:16 winners are female would you rather have 1.00

00:51:18 a society where zero like wouldn't my 0.91

00:51:21 society they're giving them to like

00:51:22 the best of both genders even if less

00:51:24 women do x thing than men wouldn't we 1.00

00:51:27 want the best of the best and for those

00:51:29 women that can meet that standard you 1.00

00:51:31 don't want them to be included just

00:51:32 because they're women it doesn't seem 1.00

00:51:34 like how you would operate in a real

00:51:36 meritocracy where we're trying to get

00:51:37 the best of the best for any field that

00:51:39 we're going for i mean the there that's

00:51:43 really a separate argument the argument

00:51:45 i'm making is that when you look at

00:51:47 society if your argument were true that

00:51:50 on average men and women are equally as

00:51:54 likely to be agreeable or not agreeable

00:51:55 risk takers are not risk takers etc then

00:51:59 you would probably see a more substantial

00:52:02 proportion of the super competitive

00:52:04 people would be women but that's not 1.00

00:52:06 true the most super competitive

00:52:08 profession lawyers half of our women i 0.97

00:52:11 think half the medical professions are

00:52:12 women women owned businesses are less 1.00

00:52:15 likely to go bankrupt so there are

00:52:17 certain fields where women are either 0.99

00:52:19 surpassing or operating equal to men and 0.77

00:52:21 again if you want a meritocracy you want

00:52:23 people who can survive in this economy

00:52:25 and have a booming business whether that's

00:52:27 a man or a woman why would you 0.73

00:52:29 categorically exclude an entire group of

00:52:31 people based on a very very small

00:52:33 difference in group averages

00:52:36 well for it's not group averages we're

00:52:38 talking about a difference in wired

00:52:40 temperament too it's not it's not about

00:52:43 excluding them from all of society i think

00:52:45 that women should be able to work the 1.00

00:52:46 question is should they be able to rule

00:52:48 should they be able to govern and i think

00:52:50 ruling and governing is a very particular

00:52:52 kind of science that women are just not 1.00

00:52:55 suited for categorically the same way that

00:52:57 women are not suited for being i think 1.00

00:52:59 everyone would agree unless you're 1.00

00:53:01 ridiculous women are not suited to be 1.00

00:53:04 soldiers women are not suited to be police 1.00

00:53:07 officers i think for all the same reasons

00:53:09 women are not suited to govern and rule 1.00

00:53:11 because those do require very particular 0.76

00:53:13 combinations of traits that although i don't

00:53:16 think they're they've never been expressed in

00:53:19 women i think it is completely rare and when

00:53:21 we're talking about a country of 350 million

00:53:24 people we're talking about women voting more 0.93

00:53:26 women vote than men so you know arguably maybe 1.00

00:53:30 you could get a once in a generation female 1.00

00:53:32 leader i'll reserve the possibility you know

00:53:36 that that can happen but we're talking about

00:53:38 women as a rule in a system participating in 1.00

00:53:42 governance and i think that's totally wrong

00:53:43 just like you know if you watch game of

00:53:45 thrones there's like that big chick is the 1.00

00:53:47 knight yeah there might be like a giant woman 1.00

00:53:50 who could be a cop but i don't know that we

00:53:52 would say oh the cops should be half women and 1.00

00:53:55 half men just like i think the voters shouldn't be 1.00

00:53:57 half women and this is why it's important to look 0.99

00:53:59 at those categories and see how big that

00:54:01 effect sizes and the difference so with things

00:54:03 like physical strength men are overwhelmingly

00:54:05 physically stronger than women when it comes 1.00

00:54:07 to things like agreeableness that difference is

00:54:10 much smaller and there's a ton of overlap between

00:54:12 men and women so for your brain to be so narrow

00:54:15 minded to say oh i'm going to look at every

00:54:17 categorical difference if men are stronger than

00:54:19 women on average and men are less agreeable than 1.00

00:54:22 women on average i'm just going to pretend that 1.00

00:54:23 this is a hundred percent and there's no nuance

00:54:25 and there's no overlap and there's no difference

00:54:27 between the amount that a man is stronger than a

00:54:29 woman versus how agreeable one is or how smart 1.00

00:54:32 one is or how educated one is especially when women 1.00

00:54:35 actually are surpassing men in a lot of these fields

00:54:37 especially education that's just not a reasonable way to

00:54:42 look at life or the data okay we're circling so i want to

00:54:45 hear from heaven and then christine because you haven't

00:54:47 been speaking much heaven do you have anything

00:54:49 speak louder

00:54:55 your mic isn't working let's hear from christine while you fix your mic heaven 1.00

00:55:03 okay i i don't have much to add i'm sorry

00:55:09 i want to ask you specifically because you didn't uh get to me give an argument earlier

00:55:16 they were you said that no but we're going to stay on subject so that the subject is why

00:55:21 women should vote what's your argument for why women should vote 0.95

00:55:23 she already said it i think everyone has the right to vote i'm sorry like i yeah

00:55:30 and i don't have to justify other than that like okay cheyenne do you have anything

00:55:36 can you guys hear me yeah oh yes we can hear you

00:55:43 okay um i guess i go um yeah so i feel like women should be able to vote because i feel like 1.00

00:55:50 anybody in this country who is a citizen who is a part of the way that america operates and flows

00:55:56 should have a say so on how policies affect them i feel like it's not fair to give the power to one

00:56:03 specific gender based off of things that you've pretty much just pulled out of the air because 0.96

00:56:08 you don't have facts for any of the things that you claim tonight um i just think that isn't fair i

00:56:15 don't think that's logical and i think even the way you're debating tonight is showing that men should

00:56:21 not rule or control anything just because you don't even have the facts to back up stuff for

00:56:26 okay i mean can i respond to that yeah go ahead yeah so you know i think you made a good point you

00:56:37 said everyone who is a citizen should vote and i i agree but you know it's really a bigger question

00:56:43 about like what why do we vote i feel like people take it for granted that well everyone's here everyone

00:56:49 has a right to vote well why you know when the country was founded there was the spirit of citizenship

00:56:55 there's a spirit of self-governing there's an enterprising spirit and it doesn't just mean

00:56:59 you know you're kind of just like a regular joe you you really worry about yourself you don't really

00:57:04 know anything and then you get a right to determine who runs the country when the country was founded

00:57:09 there was only one body in the whole federal government that the whole country directly voted on

00:57:15 does anyone know what that is okay case in point it was house of representatives the senate senators

00:57:23 were appointed by the state legislatures the president was chosen by the electoral college

00:57:27 which was chosen by the state legislatures supreme court was nominated by the president

00:57:32 confirmed by the senate it was only one federal body that they said was for the people and even then

00:57:37 citizenship was restricted and not even on the basis of race it was restricted really on the basis of

00:57:42 class and there was the idea that you know we have self-governance but self-governing isn't just

00:57:47 about casting a vote it's also about being responsible for society and when i look at the

00:57:53 people that are responsible for society i think about property owners business owners i think about

00:57:58 people that are civically engaged they're engaged in their community they're engaged in and you know

00:58:04 sometimes women fall in those categories and you know maybe that would be okay i guess it depends 1.00

00:58:09 but maybe the fundamental assertion that should be questioned is that everyone has this right to vote

00:58:15 they take for granted oh i'm born i get a right to vote i i actually don't think that leads to good

00:58:20 outcomes and that's why our elections are now these ridiculous turnout games where it's just pumping tv

00:58:26 and radio with low iq attack ads literally bussing people to the polls you know it's like a month they

00:58:33 harvest ballots getting people to just show up and sign their name on it this is not conducive to good

00:58:38 governance this that's not what citizenship looks like and so i think once you understand that then you

00:58:44 start to ask yourself well what would be the categories of people that should vote and i think

00:58:49 when you consider the temperament of men and women i think that one of the ways you draw the line is you

00:58:54 say men should vote i think another category where you draw the line is people that that own things

00:59:00 people that own property or own a business i'm sorry i don't think renters and wage earners i don't

00:59:05 think they really have enough stake in the society to be able to cast a vote i think maybe you'd throw

00:59:09 in a category like whether a person's a parent i'm not a parent you know but maybe that's another

00:59:14 category if you have kids at least you have a stake in the future but we really need to get back to

00:59:19 thinking about voting as part of citizenship part of being self-governing not just this thing where

00:59:26 everybody gets it like they get uh you know anything else like it's a bit free for all

00:59:31 one thing um yeah we're gonna go last comments into the next subject is that go ahead yeah yeah

00:59:36 no problem no problem yeah i just think that's a really terrible argument because you're bringing

00:59:39 up temperament um but you know 90 of all the wars in the world have been done by men because men hold

00:59:47 the power a lot of the societal issues could be attributed to men so when you're saying things

00:59:52 about temperament men have bad temperament too um men and women are very similar when it comes to the

00:59:59 way their brains work so to take away the rights of one side of the aisle while leaving it for the 0.99

01:00:06 other that shows a lack of temperament on your behalf as well which is just proving our argument

01:00:10 and also if you cut off the voting rights for 50 of the population don't you think that would have a

01:00:14 negative effect on society i don't think that's the you say that's the best for society but how is

01:00:19 disenfranchising half of the entire population good for society tell me i think why should 1.00

01:00:26 i was gonna say and also why should um 50 of society have a say so for the whole like the

01:00:36 majority that's crazy like a man shouldn't that's that's crazy that you think that a man should have 0.50

01:00:42 a say so or how things affect women's bodies how people live how people um express themselves

01:00:49 that's yeah no that's not can i make a statement on that go ahead in order to create a society you

01:01:01 need people in order to create a person you need both men and women how can you speak on something

01:01:08 like that and think that the other input can't is not worthy or is not valuable you can't even make a

01:01:14 baby without a woman you can't even make a a city to govern without a woman and you're trying to 1.00

01:01:20 take away the whole voice of a whole marginalized not even marginalized the most like probably the

01:01:28 most important factor in a society because who's raising these children who's carrying these children 0.99

01:01:34 who's building a society who's under you that you think you have all the authority and right to

01:01:40 govern all these people but they're the people who's putting in the work for you to be able to

01:01:45 sit up there and speak so confidently in what you're saying perfect i'm gonna go you're gonna

01:01:51 say your mom let's do the last one from jazz and let's go on to the next subject okay yeah i just feel

01:01:57 like it doesn't make i if he's saying okay the threshold should be property owners pays taxes

01:02:01 civically engaged um educated and has kids like but then all of a sudden all women are excluded for this 1.00

01:02:08 although so many women meet this threshold just because you're making a categorical exclusion 1.00

01:02:12 because of a group average a very small one on temperament it just it doesn't even align with

01:02:18 anything else you're saying if you have these requirements to get in it should be if you meet

01:02:22 those requirements to vote you should do it what just despite your gender or race or anything it just

01:02:27 seems like you just want to categorically exclude women just because they're women based on a false

01:02:33 perception of how all women are because again you're looking at a very small difference in

01:02:38 group averages great let's go on to the next subject it's uh we're so i respond like three people just

01:02:43 went go ahead um and i'll be quick about it again i'll just say i think that you know and here's another

01:02:49 point i'll just throw out there power and decision making is distributed in the society in different

01:02:55 ways and i think um burnout actually made a good point women do raise all of the people or ideally 1.00

01:03:01 they should i think that the mothers should raise their babies i think every baby should be raised by

01:03:05 their mother that's a massive amount of power and influence and women are huge influence on their 1.00

01:03:10 husbands how how a man goes out and lives his life is totally influenced by a woman and i think the idea

01:03:17 that voting is the end-all be-all of the expression of political power is just wrong and i think that in

01:03:24 the same way that men aren't trying to push babies out of their butts i think women shouldn't be fighting in 1.00

01:03:29 the wars and the same way that men aren't breastfeeding the kids i think women shouldn't 1.00

01:03:32 be in politics i think that politics is an extension of war i think that governance is leadership and i

01:03:38 think that temperamentally not group averages categorically women are just not suited for that 0.96

01:03:43 sort of thing sounds good let's move on to the next subject and uh for you know for to spice it up

01:03:49 let's start with isaac i want to see what your answer is isaac should gay people be allowed to adopt

01:03:54 babies um yeah i believe that as long as you have the ability to be a good parent whether you're gay

01:04:02 straight you know no matter your sexual orientation you should you should be allowed pretty cut and dry 1.00

01:04:08 okay anyone else before nick goes should gay people be allowed to adopt babies heaven do you have 0.93

01:04:13 anything burnout i feel yeah i feel i feel like anybody that has the heart to be a parent um the patience

01:04:23 to be a parent should be afforded that right to experience um parenthood and having a child

01:04:30 and having that family that they have always wanted i feel like there's no evidence to show that children

01:04:37 that grow up in a single or same-sex couple households do it fare any worse on a majority of

01:04:44 metrics and or on any metric and on top of that i feel like if you're looking at the best interest of a

01:04:49 child a child that's needing to be adopted and a family that's wanting to adopt them how could you

01:04:56 possibly say that this child just should live without parents instead of going to gay parents 1.00

01:05:01 especially when there's no evidence that doing so would be more detrimental to the child even in a

01:05:06 heterosexual relationship must much less no parents christine and then cheyenne do you have anything 0.57

01:05:12 should gay people be allowed to adopt babies yes absolutely i just like i can't just for me

01:05:21 you know for me it's just i i don't know but um there's plenty of unfit parents that are heterosexual

01:05:29 you know ones that literally lose their kids to the system because of drugs or whatever it is that

01:05:35 if there is a gay couple that has no criminal record and they can be fit parents i don't see 0.98

01:05:43 why they can't be parents if they want to be parents if they're not hurting the child

01:05:46 cheyenne what do you think should gay people be allowed to adopt babies 1.00

01:05:50 yes anybody that wants to be a parent it shouldn't matter what their sexual orientation is or race so i

01:05:59 think that a child deserves two parent households but it shouldn't matter what sexuality they are 0.98

01:06:07 because the kid deserves parents that's how i feel so yes nick well did you wait hold on um did

01:06:14 everybody go heaven you went did everybody respond i didn't um yes absolutely you have to give an

01:06:22 argument this is a debate so why besides period why should they gay people be allowed to adopt children 0.66

01:06:27 um i believe that your sexuality shouldn't disqualify you from having that experience and

01:06:35 raising up a person into this world that could be beneficial rather than leaving them to fend and

01:06:45 fight for themselves because as we know orphans don't have anyone so it's better to like give them

01:06:53 someone than nothing i would say great nick should gay people be allowed to adopt no no totally not 1.00

01:07:02 absolutely not um and you know probably it stems from a disagreement i'm sure everybody on the panel

01:07:08 thinks that homosexuality is fine i think it's wrong i think it's a perversion and i think it's sort 1.00

01:07:14 of like the question asking should you let alcoholics adopt kids or should you let drug users adopt kids

01:07:20 or something like this um you know and let's just be very clear about what we're talking about

01:07:25 you know the way that homosexuals are portrayed in the media and like modern family and stuff is like

01:07:31 oh you know they're just like us they just kind of like a little you know they have a different

01:07:34 preference some people like hamburgers some people like pizza and so it is but let's just be very

01:07:41 clear it's like three percent of the population that identifies as exclusively same-sex attracted it's a

01:07:47 very low percentage uh it's going up over time you know when you have people that identify as they're

01:07:52 flexible or they're you know not not exclusively heterosexual or something like that but the number

01:07:58 of people that identify as exclusively same-sex attracted is exceedingly low we also find that

01:08:04 there's a lot of things that overlap with that drug abuse perversion pedophilia it's like half of all 0.78

01:08:12 the pedophiles are gay men they're like three percent of the population they're half of all the 0.98

01:08:18 pedophiles and then you look at things like monkey pox how did monkey pox come to america it's because 1.00

01:08:23 they all went on an island they were all having sex with everybody else was a giant orgy and then they 1.00

01:08:28 all came back to america and had sex with everybody here and then they gave everybody monkey pox 0.99

01:08:32 this is how the aids crisis started and nobody wants to talk about it but it is the ugly reality 1.00

01:08:37 gay men and gay men know about it what's that is that fact that's actual those are those hundred

01:08:44 percent facts can you give us what don't people spread diseases too okay not as much as the aids

01:08:52 phenomenon was in the 80s and 90s if i could just finish i'll promise i'll wrap it up and then he

01:09:00 can respond you guys continue we'll go one at a time nick if you could finish your opening statement

01:09:03 so the dirty secret that nobody wants to talk about is that homosexuals there's a huge overlap 0.94

01:09:11 with perversion and other dysfunctional behaviors i'm sure there are homosexuals out there maybe that 1.00

01:09:18 their their only sin is sodomy their only sin is sodomy and something like that and maybe every other 0.61

01:09:25 way they're fine and i don't think that i think that's very rare but overall the gay community has a lot 0.81

01:09:32 of those problems and i think the question fundamentally is what is best for the child

01:09:36 you know people say well everyone has a right to have kids and something consistent in the debate is

01:09:42 this you know we deserve we have rights we have to think about what we're actually doing here

01:09:46 we have to think about where the rights of other people are you know do children have a right to grow

01:09:51 up in a home with a moral fabric you know where it's a man and a woman in a marriage as opposed to a

01:09:57 single person gay people you know other kinds of issues going on in the home i actually do think

01:10:02 in some cases children not being adopted is better and obviously we can think of examples

01:10:07 of where that would not be the case and i think that also applies to homosexuals too

01:10:12 okay let's respond one at a time do you have anything isaac yeah i think um the so the main point

01:10:21 of this debate is kind of um there can't really be an agreement or a conclusion reached because we

01:10:26 have a fundamental disagreement over what's moral um i think you see homosexuality as a sin you call

01:10:33 it sodomy so from your perspective people who are immoral should not raise kids and in that sense i

01:10:39 agree that people who are immoral should not raise kids however i do not view homosexuality as

01:10:44 as many other people on this panel so that's pretty much how it is i don't think we we will be able to

01:10:52 reach um a consensus on this to be honest do you have anything else burnout heaven cheyenne anything

01:11:01 um i just want to know what basis do you base homosexuality in relation to alcoholism

01:11:11 and pedophilic pedophilic nature because those are very different things like those are hugely

01:11:22 different things and that is a heavy statement to make in a comparison to call someone who is a drunk

01:11:30 and a danger to children the same as someone who just likes the same sex that's a bit 0.94

01:11:41 insane to me well the argument went like this people said that everyone who wants a kid should

01:11:49 be able to adopt a kid and i said well obviously that's not true because we wouldn't if an alcoholic

01:11:55 wanted a kid we wouldn't send an adopted child to them to raise them because we see there's obvious 1.00

01:12:01 problems what's that we didn't say that we did not say that anybody we never say well your argument

01:12:09 was you can you roll it back but the argument was people want to be parents they should be able to

01:12:14 be parents and i think you agree that some people that's not that even if they want to be parents

01:12:19 that's not enough because there's certain qualifications we have to consider whether

01:12:23 they'd be good parents would you not let people in a rural that's not what we said though not children 0.99

01:12:28 then because they have high if you're looking at averages they have high rates of alcoholism and

01:12:33 drugs would you not have people in middle america rural communities that all are dealing with this

01:12:37 opiate crisis would you not let any of them adopt children and again just because when you said

01:12:42 earlier oh it's rare it's only three percent like yeah maybe three percent of the population is born

01:12:47 with four fingers instead of five that doesn't mean they shouldn't be parents just because it's not as

01:12:50 common so i don't understand just because you're saying that and again there is actually no evidence

01:12:55 that people that children that are uh grow up in same-sex households fare off any worse whereas there 0.95

01:13:01 is evidence that children growing up in poor rural communities fare off worse so with your argument would you

01:13:06 not let those people adopt children again the argument isn't about averages the argument isn't whether

01:13:12 someone is statistically likely to be one thing or the other what i said is and i okay can i can i

01:13:18 finish my reply um so as uh i'm not sure it's uh isaac i think isaac said a moment ago um you know

01:13:28 we're not really going to come to an agreement because if you think that being gay is not immoral 1.00

01:13:32 and i think it follows if you don't think it's immoral you probably would say that gays are just

01:13:38 people that have a higher risk factor for example of those things just like other people just like

01:13:43 people in appalachia or something and therefore you wouldn't categorically exclude them what i'm saying

01:13:48 though and i'm making this argument by painting a picture is that homosexuality is immoral just like 0.68

01:13:55 being an alcoholic just like being one of those other things and uh it's an immoral behavior i think in

01:14:01 the same way that someone that abuses alcohol shouldn't have kids someone that abuses themselves

01:14:05 in a sexual way shouldn't be having kids the picture i'm painting for people might be skeptical

01:14:11 is just to kind of introduce it when i'm saying they shouldn't have kids i'm not saying oh well they

01:14:17 shouldn't have kids because i'm prejudiced or a bigot i'm saying it's wrong and it's a good heuristic

01:14:22 that it's wrong because it's being misrepresented in the media and in society as something like it's

01:14:28 that you have men and women there's half men half women and men and women are basically you know 0.66

01:14:34 they all are after the same things you got black people white people white people black people are 0.93

01:14:38 you know born a certain way blah blah blah what i'm saying is about homosexuals being three percent of 0.96

01:14:42 the population it is anomalous it's non-normative and so there's something about that where i feel like

01:14:49 people don't really recognize it's such a tiny minority and then you start to think well are people

01:14:54 born gay and straight like people are born white and black or men and women are people born a certain

01:14:59 way and maybe they're born with a certain inclination and then maybe it's environmental

01:15:04 in some cases it's induced by assault or trauma or it's induced by certain environmental factors in

01:15:10 the home like an overbearing mother and then you start to create a profile that homosexuality is 0.94

01:15:15 really a pattern of behavior more than an identity and that's why it tends to flow into heavy

01:15:22 promiscuity drug use perversion all these things because it isn't just like a preference that is

01:15:29 kind of arbitrary it's a pattern of behavior that results from kind of very specific combination of

01:15:34 factors and so so that's the picture that i'm trying to paint but if you believe yeah go ahead

01:15:40 couldn't you say the same thing about like people with your worldview that's a very fringe small

01:15:45 minority oh maybe your mother was this way or that way and that's why you believe x thing you

01:15:49 believe your worldview and your fringe group of the internet is a very very small minority i would

01:15:54 never say that's the reason you guys shouldn't be able to adopt kids and again if we're looking at

01:15:59 if you're just going to say homosexuality is immoral i don't like it that's why fine but what 1.00

01:16:03 you're saying is oh they have overlaps with drug use and this and that when again those poor rural

01:16:09 communities they have way bigger overlaps and we have actual statistical data that children that grow up

01:16:14 in those communities end up faring worse whereas children growing up in same with same-sex couples 1.00

01:16:19 do not so if you just want to say i don't like homosexuality because it's gross fine but i don't 0.99

01:16:24 know where these other arguments are coming from because you're not being consistent with them 0.57

01:16:27 no i am gay people

01:16:30 no i don't think i do

01:16:33 do you think you're speaking out of a perspective of someone that doesn't know the lgbtq community

01:16:40 you're just speaking about your own experience by maybe media maybe

01:16:45 yeah yeah i think that if you're if you're if you're trying to make the case that homosexuals are

01:16:54 not promiscuous that they don't abuse drugs that they don't like to party that there's not immense

01:16:59 perversion i think you know i think you don't know what you're talking about on that case i mean

01:17:04 it's true maybe i don't have credibility on the subject because you know i don't know them in that

01:17:09 lifestyle intimately but i think you'd be mistaken if you're arguing that can people can decide for

01:17:15 themselves yeah the description of the character you just gave also sounds like your average frat boy

01:17:21 so where's the difference in that baby like make it consistent

01:17:26 yeah i think i think you're right i think there is a lot of that with frat boys but i also think

01:17:31 that the numbers are just extraordinary i mean for example you know there are studies that have been

01:17:36 done about homosexuality i'm thinking of one that was done in san francisco and said that 95 percent of

01:17:43 them are non-monogamous and promiscuous and the numbers about their lifetime sexual partners

01:17:48 it's huge it's in like the hundreds it's it's just like a totally different category than

01:17:54 heterosexual people and i think that's you know that's kind of the point i'm getting at i am making

01:17:59 the case that it's immoral and i'm trying to paint a picture for you where it's not like we're kind of

01:18:03 starting in the middle of the story where it's like you got straight people you got gay people 0.63

01:18:08 is it fair to discriminate and i'm saying well we can't really start in the middle of the story we

01:18:12 kind of have to go back and it's like where where are the gay people really coming from is it just

01:18:18 like a roll the dice and just like everything else one person's one way and one person is another

01:18:23 or is homosexuality a non-normative behavior it's a deviant behavior it's a form of acting out or 0.80

01:18:31 indulgence or a defect like other things you know a predisposition to alcoholism a predisposition to

01:18:37 other things i think there's a good case to be made based on the fact that it's such a small

01:18:41 percentage and they are given to these extreme and and i think anti-social behaviors and you know

01:18:49 that's just to choose their sexuality why would they what what benefit would they have by being

01:18:55 gay society comes them um society does not see them as equal to straight like if for in order for 1.00

01:19:01 somebody to become a minority without any benefit they would have to be like crazy um but i you might 0.96

01:19:09 see gay people is crazy i don't know that seems like something i agree with you i i don't think 1.00

01:19:15 it's a choice it's just like i think a lot of things aren't a choice i think that you know there 0.98

01:19:19 are people that are born as sociopaths there are people that are born with the predisposition of

01:19:25 violence or alcohol people are unfortunately born they're kind of loaded up with a lot of things

01:19:31 and how much of that is genetic and environmental i i think it's it's a difficult line to draw and i'm

01:19:36 willing to say for the sake of argument i think very clearly there are some people with the

01:19:40 predisposition i think for a lot of people it's very environmental ultimately though no one makes

01:19:46 a conscious decision i agree with that the question is though doesn't make it any less moral you know

01:19:52 some people are born pardon the comparison but some people are born with the predisposition for

01:19:59 violence and would you say hey well you know some people are black some people are white some people

01:20:04 are women some are men some people like to kill people and some people don't and they're equally 0.94

01:20:08 valid like no you'd say well one is immoral maybe they can't help it but it should probably be

01:20:13 regulated by society i think the same is true with homosexuality i think the same is true with other 0.64

01:20:19 i think the same is true as hypersexuality in heterosexuals i think a lot of that should be

01:20:24 regulated would you say then that black people shouldn't be able to adopt kids because they're 0.74

01:20:29 technically more likely to be predispositioned towards violence because they commit more of it

01:20:33 if that's what you believe or would you like when you say okay alcoholics shouldn't be able to adopt

01:20:38 kids would you actually see that the person that wants to adopt a child is an alcoholic or would you

01:20:43 exclude them because they come from a region like poor rural america where a lot of them are 1.00

01:20:48 alcoholics because for some reason with gay people you're like automatically because there's this overlap 0.79

01:20:53 between um or they have higher rates of drug use than whatever other demographic you're comparing

01:20:58 them to that we're not now going to look at them individually and think are you an alcoholic are you

01:21:02 a drug addict but i have a feeling that when it comes to other groups you would actually want them

01:21:07 to show okay this person shouldn't be a parent because they are they are using drugs not because

01:21:12 they come from an area or that they're they're white which or whatever that makes them more likely to

01:21:17 do so yeah again i think you're kind of getting hung up on like i'm not saying it's a statistical

01:21:23 risk factor i'm not saying homosexuals are more likely to do x y and z although they are and therefore 0.99

01:21:28 they shouldn't be able to adopt i'm saying homosexuality is wrong i said and we know it's 1.00

01:21:35 wrong because it it it really is a pattern of behavior homosexual people that that exclusively engage 0.96

01:21:41 in homosexual sex that's an act it's a lifestyle it is a way of living just like some people go 0.96

01:21:47 and drink every day some people you know some men have sex with men and some women have sex with 0.98

01:21:51 women and i'm saying that that categorically those people should not have kids just like 1.00

01:21:56 categorically alcoholics shouldn't have kids just like categorically drug abusers i should say

01:22:01 shouldn't be able to adopt kids no black people by virtue of existing don't necessarily have a 1.00

01:22:07 predisposition of violence but you know black people that are engaged in gang banging because you 1.00

01:22:12 know some of i worked at ups one time luck of the draw i i was uh the guy that was training me was 0.54

01:22:18 black and there's another black guy alongside me and they're like you know you gang bang yeah gang

01:22:23 they're from gary indiana they're from the south side luck of the draw i guess like that lifestyle 0.92

01:22:27 shouldn't be able to adopt the same thing with homosexuals and so you know what if there was data 0.97

01:22:33 that showed that or if you believed even though because there is that showed that these children don't

01:22:37 fare off any worse with same-sex couples that engage in whatever lifestyle you're talking about 1.00

01:22:42 does that matter to you or is it just you just don't like it it's wrong even though it doesn't

01:22:48 seem to have any negative impact on children no because i think that you know you and this is a point

01:22:55 i think is interesting you're always pushing the data and you know it's a very strong argument when

01:23:00 you come with data i don't think that we get all our knowledge empirically empirically meaning

01:23:04 scientifically we set up a hypothesis we collect data we measure it i think we also get i think

01:23:10 we also get knowledge rationally i think we're also able to you know you could call it common sense

01:23:14 you could call logic i think we also get information otherwise other ways that's how we get philosophy

01:23:19 that's how we get the idea that you know it's it's probably wrong to sodomize because the natural end

01:23:25 of sex is reproduction that's something that you can't you can't determine that through a study or

01:23:30 scientifically you determine that rationally and so i think that you know data can be manipulated

01:23:36 you could play with the numbers i'm really uninterested in the data i think it's immoral i

01:23:40 think people that grow up in a household being taught sex can be had between two consenting people

01:23:45 or many consenting people or men and men i think it's wrong i don't think people should be brought 1.00

01:23:49 up in that kind of environment so basically we're gonna hold on hold on what's your name jazz we're

01:23:54 gonna uh let you go i want to hear from isaac and then we're gonna move on to the next subject

01:23:58 because isaac it seems like you have a moral uh quandary with with nick but let's let's go one more

01:24:03 thing from jazz yeah i was just gonna say so you're saying ignore all the data ignore the actual

01:24:08 evidence that people have gathered looking at children and how they fare off in different

01:24:12 environments ignore that even personal experience because it seems like you don't know you don't hang

01:24:16 around a lot of same-sex couples but just whatever you feel you think based on catholicism and whatever

01:24:23 you're putting together that should be the metric that all of society should go by not facts not even

01:24:28 lived experiences just what you feel okay that's all well it's no hang on it's not about what i feel

01:24:35 again it's where where do we get knowledge where do we get things like math itself where do we get

01:24:42 things like you know even the conception that we shouldn't kill people that life is good and death

01:24:47 is bad you know these are things that can't that we can't necessarily derive from empirical methods

01:24:54 alone and you know you can say well we should just go by your system you have a system too you're

01:24:59 arguing a moral system as well people don't think of it in that way but when you say things like

01:25:04 well everyone should have rights and everyone should be treated fairly that is a moral position

01:25:09 where are you getting that moral position you know i'm getting a moral position from the catholic

01:25:15 church we're getting it from philosophy we're getting it from revelation we're getting it from

01:25:20 natural law so we're both arguing a moral position let's not pretend like one position was

01:25:26 objectively proven true by a study saying that fairness is good is not an empirical statement that's

01:25:33 not a scientific statement it's a moral statement and you know moral statements are created by moral

01:25:38 systems by people um so we're you know i don't know i'm gonna go to isaac isaac what do you what's

01:25:46 your response to uh next moral position yeah i just think my dilemma is that from the from on paper

01:25:53 there's nothing wrong with his belief that immoral people should not adopt kids i just think that

01:25:59 immoral like what's moral is subjective um i do not believe that because you're homosexual you're

01:26:05 immoral um and i do think that even if we're using this like really narrow-minded view of morality

01:26:13 once you agree that there are people that you find immoral that are good at what they do can can we

01:26:18 concede to that absolutely yeah so just because someone you view someone as immoral does not mean

01:26:23 they're not they can't they don't have the ability to do what's what's needed so someone is immoral but

01:26:28 is still a good parent and the kid ends up you know achieving greatness because they had good

01:26:33 parents why would you you know be against that i don't understand because the first hold on let's

01:26:39 like nick respond and then burn out you can go oh yeah the in my opinion i think that the thing that

01:26:46 a parent has to do first is is give their kid a moral education you know we look at the society

01:26:51 today it's falling apart because kids aren't getting a moral education they're getting taught calculus

01:26:55 and science and then they can read and they can do a lot of things but they're not getting a moral

01:27:00 education they're not being taught you know like for example you look at crime you can argue a lot

01:27:06 of different things about crime a big factor is there's no fathers a big factor is people aren't

01:27:10 telling them right from wrong i think that's a big problem with why hookups are so unsatisfying

01:27:15 relationships are so unsatisfying we find people are so unsatisfying people we find are selfish

01:27:21 people we find are uncaring it's because there's a true moral failing and it stems from really bad

01:27:27 parents single parents selfish parents divorced parents parents that are more interested in other 0.60

01:27:33 things parents themselves that didn't have a moral compass of such a huge and you we say

01:27:38 narrow-minded i don't think it's narrow-minded it is more narrow i do have a more narrow version

01:27:42 of morality i think our responsibilities go further than just don't harm other people in obvious ways

01:27:48 which seems to be the consensus it's like as long as you're not hurting somebody it's like but you

01:27:53 know aren't we hurting children when the their parents get divorced aren't we hurting people when

01:27:58 you know we engage in decadent irresponsible behaviors are we hurting ourselves is there anything

01:28:04 better about hurting ourselves and hurting somebody else and why so so i it is a more narrow

01:28:09 version of morality but i think that's what's needed burn out go ahead and then i have a question for

01:28:14 all right to elaborate more on this straight edge path that you're thinking when it comes to morality

01:28:21 or whatever um i would start with saying that morality comes from being mortal no can we all agree

01:28:30 on that being a human being and living and having experiences dictate your morality and morality really

01:28:39 is not a singular thing it doesn't have to do with an individual it's community based because morals are

01:28:46 held up around what is deemed acceptable and what is deemed not acceptable and for you to sit here and

01:28:55 make statistical statements and not consider that morals have a very big part in to do with

01:29:05 your experience as a human being and how you physically inhabit spaces in your body and

01:29:11 spaces where you don't really know what's going on you're just regurgitating information it's kinda

01:29:19 like we all know is narrow-minded but it can't be the definitive factor or like the the last

01:29:27 end-all be-all because life is full of complexities and you're not considering any of them you're taking your

01:29:34 information that someone has told you not anything that you have experienced firsthand and saying

01:29:41 that's the end-all be-all and this is what we should go by when there's no proof that this is the best way

01:29:47 to go great isaac i want to ask you where does morality come from

01:29:51 uh that's actually a good question um i think morality is a human construct a lot of people could

01:29:58 say it comes from christianity i think nick would agree with that but i also think that there are

01:30:03 things that um lean into the more subjectivity of it all because there are things that christians

01:30:09 deem moral that i deem immoral um and there are things that you know i deem moral that christians

01:30:17 deem immoral like abortion um so i don't think morality there's we don't have enough evidence or

01:30:22 enough understanding to know exactly where morality comes from and that is why we can't make

01:30:26 society-based things on um subjective moral values because just because you think something's

01:30:34 immoral does not mean the next man thinks something is immoral so we need to be a little more complex

01:30:40 with that um and i don't think and i that's why i think you're narrow-minded in the sense that you're

01:30:45 not considering all the complexities of morality and the subjectivity around morality you're just doing

01:30:50 you're just going by your own sense of morality rather than taking into account the rest of the

01:30:55 world that's just my opinion well you haven't uh answered the question directly where does morality

01:30:59 come from we don't know where it comes from nobody knows okay do you have anything from cheyenne and

01:31:05 then from christine you haven't spoke uh much during this subject do you have anything we'll move on to

01:31:09 the next one yeah um my parents are pretty conservative i would say and i just feel like when you say that

01:31:19 you know gay parents will be like a bad example and such um i just i don't personally get it because

01:31:26 i was raised by like similar beliefs like my parents have similar beliefs as you like they told me like

01:31:32 growing up like you better not like girls and things like that and so so that's what i'm saying

01:31:37 like for me i form my own opinion about what i think is right should be okay and uh equality and things like that

01:31:45 and so i think like gay people raising kids and or straight people raising kids they're still going

01:31:54 to form their own beliefs that'll be against what you believe so cheyenne is morality subjective or

01:32:01 objective

01:32:01 good dog it's subjective okay where does morality come from we don't know

01:32:12 but what i can say as a person who grew up in a church because both parents are christianity that's

01:32:20 just they've been told me you can't be gay you better not be gay but to say that just because someone

01:32:29 may be different they're not as human or as qualified to be parents or as as a woman she's not qualified to 0.99

01:32:37 do anything because she's a woman it's kind of a bit it's a bit biased and a bit weird don't you think

01:32:45 okay let's move on to the next subject it seems we're starting to uh circle a little bit and i would

01:32:52 just say going forward if the participants instead of asking questions we would like to hear your

01:32:57 arguments instead of uh reverting back to nick i'm hearing less of people's stances and just asking

01:33:02 nick questions so if you could uh state your arguments a little bit more we'll move on to the next

01:33:05 one now it'll start with nick because you started with isaac last one nick is it okay to be fat

01:33:09 no no it's gross and i i sympathize okay because i'm gaining weight at a rapid pace i like to eat

01:33:19 okay i like eating i hate working out i hate exerting myself so i say it um you know you can't really

01:33:25 call me hypocrite because i'm getting there you know and i i struggle to stop the trend um no but it's

01:33:32 um it goes along with everything else we've been saying it really is a fundamental question of

01:33:37 what do we consider moral behavior um can because there seems to be a consensus these days

01:33:43 it's like this reddit mentality it's like a very compassionate mentality people say

01:33:49 as long as you're not hurting somebody it's fine and harm is kind of like hey keep your hands and feet 0.92

01:33:55 to yourself don't be mean don't be a jerk as long as you're not doing that you're a good person 0.95

01:34:01 and i think that um the things that harm ourselves are immoral i think there's a whole category of 0.99

01:34:07 things like that i think that you know those sexual behaviors like we're talking about before that are

01:34:12 not you know pointed toward their natural end are immoral i think overeating gluttony laziness sloth

01:34:20 i think those are immoral things i think we would all say we would all feel in our heart of hearts

01:34:25 there's something wrong if we're not being productive and we know somewhere deep down that

01:34:31 work is good when we don't work we feel bad when people are working around us but we're not we feel

01:34:37 guilty why is that we have a conscience we have an objective sense of morality that's baked into the

01:34:44 cake and that's because we know that work and toil and productivity are good and the opposite is bad

01:34:50 same goes for things like waste we feel an inherent guilt and we waste food why is that it's it's

01:34:57 something that's immoral it's not necessarily hurting somebody else but we can all recognize it's not a

01:35:01 good thing and the same goes for being decadent overindulgent obese the big scam is people say

01:35:08 obesity is caused by some other thing it's caused by eating too much it's caused by a lack of discipline 0.99

01:35:12 people say you know they got big bones or something i think there's a lot of shit in the foods we're not 0.96

01:35:17 supposed to eat but if you get fat it's probably because you're eating too much and that's a sin 0.94

01:35:22 so we need people to uh stop eating stop the snacking stop drinking the sugary drinks stop grazing all the 1.00

01:35:29 time gotta get up and move get active you know stop being such a fat piece of shit that's kind of my 0.99

01:35:34 view on the whole thing and i think it's immoral who has a rebuttal does anyone think that it's it's 0.99

01:35:38 okay to be fat go ahead isaac okay um i don't agree i agree with um with nick a lot on this i do not

01:35:46 think that it's okay to be physically unhealthy however where my opinion differs and i don't i'm just

01:35:52 assuming i don't even say say it but i don't think we should demonize people for being physically

01:35:57 unhealthy i think there are productive ways to stir people into a physically healthy life that doesn't

01:36:02 involve shaming them and making them feel any worse than they already are so and from to answer

01:36:06 your question i don't think it's all right to be physically unhealthy but i don't think the solution

01:36:10 to that is to shame people and also obesity and being fat can be caused by factors that aren't

01:36:16 controlled by the person that is that way um i just wanted to add that it's it's a rarity but those

01:36:22 situations still happen um so that's that's how i feel about it and before nick responds anybody else

01:36:28 is it okay to be fat christine do you have anything or jazz go ahead um i think there's a difference

01:36:35 between unhealthy and immoral and i don't think like nick always talks about oh we have this inherent

01:36:41 we have this inherent thing that we just know it's unhealthy we know it's immoral and i think like

01:36:46 earlier you brought up like oh there's like things like math well there is a consensus on math clearly

01:36:50 your moral framework is not shared by a lot of people it's by the majority of people in our country

01:36:56 and so if it's so inherent that we should all just know it because it's just within us it seems like

01:37:01 it's only a small percentage of people that have the thing you're talking about where we just

01:37:05 inherently feel that someone eating donuts is so immoral it's just it's not happening heaven do you

01:37:11 have anything is it okay to be fat personally i feel like it is okay to be fat in terms of um just looks

01:37:20 if somebody is personally comfortable and confident that way then oh you know two thumbs up to them is

01:37:28 it okay to be unhealthy no however i do feel like what nick is kind of getting at has more to do with

01:37:35 a person's um it has more to do with just being negative and like trying to tear them down and not

01:37:43 really health because sometimes if a person has weight on them it's not really because they're

01:37:48 unhealthy it may be like as it said they may have personal like health issues that they're going through so

01:37:55 and also like fat is subjective because a lot of beauty standards have changed over time i remember

01:38:02 like um the women that we call it thick and you know curvy these days they were labeled fat back in 1.00

01:38:07 the day so it's also really subjective about being fat and it's not as long as somebody's comfortable in

01:38:13 their own skin i think it's okay but i'm not going to like enable um you know physically you know

01:38:21 physical unhealthy behavior but i'm not going to shame or demonize them the way you guys do

01:38:26 that's my personal opinion well i'm not i don't want to demonize i don't think they're demonic i

01:38:32 don't think fat people are demonic i just don't want to see them i don't want to see them around i 0.99

01:38:36 think there's uh it is the picture of being unhealthy when you're obese um you know people don't like to

01:38:43 look at it for a reason there's a reason that you know super fat people are not in high demand um you

01:38:49 know on the dating market or something like that you know we don't like it because it's not beautiful

01:38:53 it's not beautiful because it's not good it's not beautiful because it's not healthy and i think that

01:38:58 you know as far as shame is concerned i think shame is extremely important you know because people

01:39:03 we we know people and we know ourselves if we don't have positive and negative incentives we will do

01:39:10 the path of least resistance we will do what we want we'll do what is easiest and something like food

01:39:16 we all love to eat food tastes good it's abundant it's plentiful you know it's something that we like

01:39:22 to do if there's not a powerful motivator like shame or fear of judgment or things like that

01:39:30 i think it does actually lead more people to engage in that and i think it's not for their benefit so

01:39:35 it's almost like you look at a person who's fat now a person that's fat has a lot of problems you

01:39:41 know they're probably going to die they have a lot of like health complications also you know people

01:39:47 don't really want to be around that are we really going to vilify the shaming what's better for the

01:39:52 person if they're shamed but they're skinny or they're not shamed but they're fat i think it's

01:39:58 better if they're shamed and they're skinny i think that's better for them i think that's better for

01:40:01 society and we have to kind of get away from this like over sensitivity people are like wild animals

01:40:09 if left to their own devices they will destroy themselves and others i think meanness is actually

01:40:14 kind of a prerequisite for society and by the way we know this with other things when people are like

01:40:20 racist when people are whatever the kinds of things you guys don't like you have no problem shaming them

01:40:26 you have no problem being mean even in some ways not necessarily you guys in particular i'm speaking

01:40:32 broadly even being a little bit hypocritical towards so-called racist or sexist or whatever

01:40:39 um so i don't think anybody disagrees with the tactics everybody knows that it's just a question

01:40:44 of what do you think is wrong and i think that on some level people want to tolerate fatness because

01:40:49 people are more tolerant of weakness decadence selfishness than they are of meanness or cruelty

01:40:57 um or other things like that and i just think that's all out of i think that's imbalanced

01:41:01 yeah go ahead burnout and then i want to hear from you just i'm sorry to ask another question

01:41:12 no burnout burnout burnout before you ask a question i want to hear your response before you change the

01:41:16 subject so we'll hear from burnout and i want to hear from christine i want to hear from cheyenne you 0.77

01:41:19 have not been participating all right so i don't think it's a crime to be fat fat people aren't harming

01:41:26 people like you want to say you don't like seeing them but you just admitted that you sympathize

01:41:33 because you're becoming fat it don't really it's not really mixing in the pot i know and i hate 0.99

01:41:40 myself i look in the mirror i see my fat face and i'm like damn you're getting fat do you really have 0.99

01:41:45 the sympathy like because you can't sit here and call fat people disgusting while being one because 0.99

01:41:51 that just gives hypocritical you just sound hypocritical it's giving and then in the same 0.98

01:41:56 breath it's giving what it's giving guilt i look at my fat face in the mirror and i'm like i'm so fat 0.95

01:42:03 i need to get that's good people call me fat it hurts my feelings but it motivates me you know then

01:42:09 when i go to dunkin donuts i'm like you feel like you're hurting anyone by being fat do you feel like

01:42:14 you're physically hurting anyone by being offending the audience if i'm fat i offend the audience

01:42:21 you shouldn't think that way about yourself man you need like no because i don't think what you

01:42:24 acquainted it to is the same and you know it depends on your look some fat people can pull

01:42:32 it off they have like a kind of jolly demeanor they're kind of some people look a little better

01:42:37 that way i feel like we shouldn't speak on other people's bodies especially if we don't know what's

01:42:41 going on with them you are more than valid to speak on yours and if you're admitting to being

01:42:46 embarrassed about getting fat and in the same breath belittling fat people you're just saying

01:42:52 that you hate yourself i hate that i'm getting fat i do and everyone should everyone should want to be

01:42:58 healthy everyone should want these things and we should we should encourage them to be i want everyone

01:43:03 to be the best that they can be and i don't think we should be like cruel i am against cruelty but i do

01:43:11 think you know if there's um shame involved if people feel bad for being fat i don't think that's

01:43:16 a bad thing and there's a big difference between cruelty i don't believe in cruelty i don't believe

01:43:21 in meanness i'm not i don't think i'm a particularly mean person but i do think that you know when society

01:43:27 says this is good this is bad when people don't measure up i think it does cause you know negative

01:43:33 feelings but i don't think negative feelings are always bad i think negative it's like pain pain isn't

01:43:38 bad if you get shot in the head you know it hurts because you have a problem in the same way not

01:43:44 often not all the time but if you feel negative emotion a lot of the times it's because you need

01:43:48 to make a change and i feel like the left in general they want to remedy all bad feelings all negative

01:43:55 feelings they want to create an environment where everyone's super sensitive and then when the outcomes

01:44:00 are terrible they care less about that they care more about everybody feeling better than for example

01:44:06 them being healthy and in that sense they're doing a disservice to people and they say you're

01:44:10 beautiful it's like you know if a fat person's in front it's like you're not beautiful you're not

01:44:16 doing them any favors by telling them that there's nothing wrong with them because there is and it

01:44:19 you know we don't have to be cruel about it but what about when someone has like acne do we should we

01:44:25 like shame them because it could be for like a hormonal issue which a lot of people that are bigger

01:44:30 have hormonal issues or some type of genetic predisposition to it do you just go around and if

01:44:34 someone's like ugly or has acne or just is not pleasurable to look at you just think that's the

01:44:40 response well but acne is different acne is not something that is directly caused by your lifestyle

01:44:46 in some cases in this context knowledge right and in some cases weight is not directly dictated by

01:44:56 your lifestyle like people have medical issues it is if you so you see a lot of like morbidly obese

01:45:05 people that are starving to death no but there are sometimes like hormonal issues like thyroid issues

01:45:11 like my aunt has it and she works out all the time and she's really healthy but she just puts on a lot

01:45:15 of weight because her thyroid so people can have these issues that can also cause acne there's many

01:45:20 underlying factors that can lead to what someone looks like on the outside and so i feel like either you

01:45:26 have to make fun of everyone for everything you're ugly you're sure you have acne or you need to

01:45:30 understand that you don't necessarily know why a person looks a particular way i think we do kind of

01:45:36 do that i think we do kind of do that anyway and i think that you know some people are more comfortable

01:45:42 with some things than other things you know it's like it's a classic example you know women will say

01:45:47 well we you know we don't like short men we don't like weak men we don't like men that aren't

01:45:51 facially attractive but then you go okay we don't like fat women they go what the how could 1.00

01:45:56 you say that that's she's crying that's terrible it's like i think the world's a pretty cruel place

01:46:01 and i think that obesity ironically it's one of the ones that is most correlated because you're right

01:46:07 in some cases there are people that have a you know extenuating circumstance i think in a lot of

01:46:13 cases it is overeating generations ago there weren't as many fat people and if you look around the

01:46:19 world in different countries it varies tremendously i think it is owing a lot to

01:46:24 diet and exercise you know more so than some you know certainly acne height these other things you're

01:46:29 pointing out um you know those are almost completely uncontrollable and in the case of something like

01:46:35 acne or bad skin that is something i think less so than obesity that can be attributable to lifestyle

01:46:42 we all know if you see somebody with a super greasy face and greasy hair and they have bad

01:46:47 complexion it's like okay that guy doesn't shower that's different than someone who just has it you

01:46:51 know because of hormones because they're an adolescent or something um yeah we'd say take a

01:46:56 shower yeah but just like what jasmine was saying yeah she could go after me um yeah but exactly what 1.00

01:47:02 jasmine was saying they're like underlying things that you know cause somebody to be like socioeconomic

01:47:07 status too they're like people in food deserts where they have no opportunity or no other

01:47:11 options but to eat you know bad food um so there are people that are put in positions where they

01:47:16 can't help the way they look and i agree it's physically unhealthy and it's not good for them

01:47:21 but there needs to be a more productive way to lean them towards getting healthy like you know

01:47:27 we could provide more programs to help you know people who are socioeconomically disadvantaged to 0.62

01:47:32 you know get healthier but calling somebody fat and saying you're ugly i don't want to look at you

01:47:37 these people generally are already feeling bad about themselves and you're just putting them down even

01:47:41 further so and when someone gets put down it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where they don't want to

01:47:46 get better because they already view the world as against them um so i don't think your way of

01:47:52 dealing with that it will be productive it would actually lead to more self-pity and more obese people

01:47:58 if i'm being quite honest christine go ahead is it okay to be fat oh thank you yeah i just wanted to

01:48:03 say like there's all all the tiktokers and like the binge eaters that i see that they're like what i eat 0.99

01:48:07 in a day and they're eating like a lot of those are skinny skinny people so i feel like that energy

01:48:12 should also be directed towards them because like they're the ones that are eating unhealthy but

01:48:16 since they aren't able to gain a lot of weight or they have fast metabolisms like no one really cares

01:48:21 but then like a fat woman or a fat man will be eating a salad and they're getting roasted for that so 0.97

01:48:26 yeah like like you know you see a fat person in the gym and they're getting made fun of so like how

01:48:30 can they get better if they're just but i know that's the truth of it and that's what's going to

01:48:35 happen regardless but yeah i think there's a double standing container there and there's of course

01:48:39 like cushing syndrome there's pcos and like syndromes and diseases that people like they can't help

01:48:45 but to gain weight like during that like medications and stuff like that so

01:48:49 cheyenne do you have anything is it okay to be fat

01:48:52 um it's okay to be fat but i don't think it's okay to be unhealthy some people cannot control

01:49:00 some people cannot control that they're fat or sometimes it's genetics or sometimes they go to

01:49:05 a doctor and be like hey you're gonna start gaining weight and sometimes when you get older

01:49:11 things stretches and you can't control your weight and it's gonna be it's gonna get as harder but

01:49:17 being unhealthy is not okay because as she just said you see people on tiktok they just gobbling that

01:49:23 thing gobbling gobbling but some of them have fat metabolism versus you'll see somebody 0.98

01:49:29 who's plus size they're eating like a healthy meal and they're making fun of i don't think 0.99

01:49:33 that's okay that they get shamed i eat horribly and everything goes into my ass and titties and i 0.99

01:49:38 just make more money on only fans okay we don't need to talk about only fans that's a different 0.99

01:49:42 subject uh completely let's let's move on because this is kind of getting cyclical i'm gonna ask nick

01:49:46 is transgenderism a mental illness oh yeah i think you know by definition you know what do they call it 1.00

01:49:54 gender dysphoria i mean by definition it is and people say well the remedy to gender dysphoria is

01:50:00 the so-called gender transition i just don't think that such a thing can be achieved i think you're born

01:50:07 what you are um you know and people can make modifications they change the way they dress

01:50:12 they modify their body with surgeries or hormones it just makes that person what they were with the

01:50:19 modifications you know if they were a man now you're a man with long hair you were you were a

01:50:25 woman now you're a woman with short hair and a mustache you know and and that's why almost all the

01:50:30 time you can clock them you know and there are some that are pretty good at hiding it there's some

01:50:35 that are pretty deceptive uh but for the most part the the way we find it funny is because you see

01:50:41 like a six foot five guy who's 400 pounds grabbing a guy by the collar of his jacket and saying you do

01:50:48 not film me you know if you saw that tiktok it's like okay like is that that's not very ladylike like

01:50:53 that that guy did not become a woman obviously uh it's a guy in a dress so i i just don't i think

01:50:59 we're born a gender i think gender is an essential immutable unchangeable part of who we are 1.00

01:51:05 it's a self-deception when people say they've transformed i don't think that's possible 0.97

01:51:09 let's start with isaac is transgenderism a mental illness 1.00

01:51:14 um i do think that um a lot of people who you know become transgender they are grappling with

01:51:22 thoughts about you know the gender that they are and societal expectations but i feel like that's

01:51:27 something that a lot of people go through like living up to societal expectations and just because

01:51:31 they took it took an effort to feel comfortable in their own body does not mean they have a mental

01:51:35 illness they're it's just part of the human condition you know wanting to feel um good in

01:51:41 your own skin um so if you call transgenderism a mental illness then you would have to call anybody 0.96

01:51:46 else that decides to change something about themselves to feel better mentally ill and we you 0.99

01:51:51 know it's just not productive to you know call everyone you disagree with mentally ill burnout go 0.74

01:51:57 ahead and then i want to hear from heaven um so i believe that obviously this is an individual

01:52:05 choice and the only person that should be speaking on it is the person who feels like they are who they

01:52:11 are and if they want to transition that is their decision but i do have experiences with friends who

01:52:18 have gone through that and they said that well they don't feel any different after they feel like

01:52:24 they just cut their genitals off for no reason or added genitals for a reason and it really just has 0.86

01:52:30 to do with society because you can be whatever gender you want as long as you think about it like

01:52:36 you don't actually have to have the parts if you want to be a dude go be a dude it's all up to

01:52:43 what you feel about yourself mentally and i don't think that it's a mental illness i think the

01:52:48 repercussions and the way that society pushes on you to fit this cookie cutter um blueprint of

01:52:55 what is defined as a woman and a man is really the problem there not mental illness okay let me

01:53:02 ask you a follow the question burnout before we go on to the next one burnout can a human become a dog

01:53:06 god what that's that's just crazy be fair i'm sorry i'm sorry but be fair

01:53:13 um to answer that question actually think about furries

01:53:22 excuse me this is aiding speaking can i become black

01:53:26 absolutely not you guys are basically like changing the subject gender and race is not 0.92

01:53:32 interchangeably your physical self are not human construct gender is you can't become black because

01:53:38 black it's a physical trait that is inherent to you gender gender gender is physical isn't it

01:53:44 no it's not gender is physical but gender is not wait okay so i have a question i and i'm i'm generally 0.97

01:53:52 just asking so the the physical part of gender is a penis and a vagina correct no no actually no it's

01:54:00 much more complicated there's secondary sex characteristics like when you see a person on 0.68

01:54:05 the street you're not seeing their genitals but you're seeing things that we associate with one 0.83

01:54:09 gender uh expression or the other like breasts and hair and all those things are the ways that 1.00

01:54:15 we identify people because we're not seeing people's genitals okay i have a question um wait

01:54:20 isaac you did just say yes when i asked that what did you were you saying yes did you agree with me

01:54:25 no i was basically trying to say that's more complex than that like genitals are you don't see

01:54:33 people's general just like jasmine said um people identify like in passing you see a woman you see

01:54:39 a man but that's society speaking that's not something that is um physical um a woman is a very

01:54:46 complex thing a man is a very complex thing gender is different than sex now somebody could be born

01:54:52 a sex that is physical but gender itself he she um day whatever that is a human construct that has no

01:55:01 basis with biology whatsoever no let nick nick go ahead and elaborate off of um if you if you believe

01:55:08 in my argument nick that uh if basically they're saying that they could just switch their their gender

01:55:13 then i can become black if you can you know you google off basically what you want to say but

01:55:16 they're basically just saying it's not a physical uh gender is not physical yeah well i uh you know

01:55:22 some days i feel black i'm gonna put on blackface i'm gonna curl my hair i'm gonna start 0.65

01:55:29 talking like this i'm gonna you know i'm gonna start talking like a black person i'm gonna 0.83

01:55:34 sag my pants and stuff you know because it makes me feel comfortable in my body i woke up 0.88

01:55:38 i felt black and who is to tell me it's my body society can't come and tell me what i'm gonna do

01:55:45 who are you to judge and you know maybe race is biological on some level but race is also a social

01:55:53 construct i mean what is black black people have brown skin what is blackness it's our conception

01:55:59 of what blackness is who's to say i can't go out and modify my appearance to make myself more

01:56:04 comfortable you'd be okay with that halloween i'm going out as richard pryor halloween i'm going out

01:56:09 as barack obama i'm going out as barack hussein obama with the birth certificate and everything

01:56:13 point is like we can create arbitrary categories to separate them from biological reality we could say well 0.59

01:56:21 no no penis and vagina is sex man and woman is gender you're just creating an arbitrary category 0.63

01:56:28 we all know gender and sex are the same thing gender is an expression of sex male and female are 0.91

01:56:34 biological categories they want to introduce this other category and then when it's indefensible say

01:56:40 well it's really just about what makes them comfortable so are we debating whether people

01:56:44 should be able to express themselves are we debating you know whether there are men and women i think

01:56:48 everybody knows there's men and women at this point if you want to if you want to find it

01:56:53 please okay my parents my mom was pregnant with me i could not pop out as a white person or a black

01:57:01 person or a mexican person that's that was decided when they are both asian and they had sex and 0.78

01:57:09 wait you're asian i am asian yes um and i want to say there are intersex people that exist there are

01:57:16 people that have both um and i want to say that uh what was i going but yeah that that was the main

01:57:24 point that i wanted to get off like the that you can like transracialism that was from like rachel

01:57:31 dozal um there's like maybe four or five people that like really consider them transracial and her

01:57:37 family went out against her because she did not grow up around that area she grew up with a white

01:57:41 family normal white family um that was what she was and she decided that she wanted to be

01:57:46 transracial but that's not really a thing that's throughout history all throughout history there

01:57:49 have been trans people that have existed so that's just a newer thing that people are using now

01:57:55 and same with like the being an animal like yeah like when my parents had sex and i was conceived

01:58:02 i can't come out as a dog so that's what i have to say wait but i have a question so you know the uh 0.93

01:58:09 um what is the name the uh jazz the boobs uh the person she said she said that when we see someone 0.99

01:58:20 walking down the street we don't know that they have a penis and balls or they have a vagina 1.00

01:58:24 it's a secondary expression okay i'll raise you one let's say i get my eyes surgically modified i get my 0.99

01:58:32 eyes stone like this and i'm walking down the street and let's say i go let's say i put like some fine

01:58:38 black hair i get like a mustache like this and i say oh you know hello you know and somebody says

01:58:43 that guy's asian that's an asian man are you gonna say well you don't know my parents are both white

01:58:49 my parents are both white racism isn't essential race you don't know that i'm chinese just because

01:58:56 my eyes look like this and i have a fine black fu manchu mustache and i'm wearing a straw hat you don't

01:59:02 know that so again it's like we all know these once you start applying them to other categories

01:59:08 we all realize you actually can't change just like you can't you can't change your race which is 0.95

01:59:12 essential you can't change your species which is essential you can't change your gender which is 0.99

01:59:16 essential but there's this argument you know we're going to create another category if you feel like a

01:59:21 thing you're the thing yeah that only works if you make the thing a new category i can stand in the

01:59:28 garage it doesn't make me a car what if i say car knit what is a car a car is transportation i could

01:59:33 walk down the street and go like this i'm a car it's like you're imitating a car but you're not a 0.99

01:59:38 car you're imitating a dog you're not a dog you're imitating a black person oh shit you know you're not 0.99

01:59:43 you can imitate a woman you're not a woman so it's imitation with word games in the middle 1.00

01:59:48 can i respond hold on christine quickly and then burnout go ahead um because you said that being

01:59:57 gay wasn't a choice so i wonder how there the difference is being trans is choice but being

02:00:02 gay isn't a choice well um you know it's a behavior it's a it's a predisposition to a behavior 1.00

02:00:09 so i think some people are predisposed to some things some people are predisposed to other things

02:00:14 and that's unchangeable burnout go ahead if you feel like you can make something up why

02:00:20 why is it that you can make something up and it be true and if a thought that differs from what you

02:00:27 think can't be true like what makes you think that you're the right one like you're saying everything

02:00:32 that's so correct in the world when there's live proof that differs well that's the point of the

02:00:38 debate so we all come to we all disagree on the issue and then we come together and then we argue

02:00:43 back and forth and then people can determine what's more convincing and then that's

02:00:49 you don't have to uh mansplain what a debate is to me

02:00:52 mansplain well you asked me you said well but you know what do people disagree it's like that

02:01:00 this is facts if you know that things are made up you're saying that gender is made up if that was

02:01:07 the case then we wouldn't even have man and woman we would just call each other chromosome x and 0.76

02:01:12 chromosome y like good point

02:01:16 it's true

02:01:19 we were debating that we're agreeing like what's like what's like here's because look what we call

02:01:28 male is the active well i mean there's a lot of things you call male but it's it's the active 0.98

02:01:34 partner that fertilizes the egg with the x and y chromosome with the penis and balls 0.96

02:01:39 what transgender people are saying is well no man is really there's there's two levels of man there's 0.98

02:01:47 the level of man which is a discrete reality and then there's a level of man which we all imagine

02:01:53 and that's what we call man and you know manness is different from being a man and it's like again

02:01:59 you you can again a woman can imitate what a man is and then call herself a man and we can say

02:02:07 well the person that is a man and the person that's imitating a man are both men but it doesn't change 0.94

02:02:13 the fact that one is and one is imitating there is a you know one has a penis and one doesn't one has 0.88

02:02:18 the chromosomes and one doesn't one was born one way one was born another and then undertook a self-conscious 0.54

02:02:24 effort to imitate the other so that you know we can call it x y we could call it male we could call

02:02:30 it man we could call it all those things but it's we're still describing the same reality

02:02:34 that's semantics what'd you say yeah can jasmine talk she's been raising her hand yeah we'll go 0.65

02:02:44 finish with jasmine and we're going to the next we have a good we have guys we're gonna have to go

02:02:47 to the next topic but jasmine go ahead yeah i was just gonna say like i'm not arguing and i don't

02:02:52 know if other people on the panel are that a cis woman and a transgender woman are the same i don't

02:02:56 think they're the same but i think they would both be under the umbrella term of woman because when a 0.99

02:03:01 person has the secondary sex characteristics and you see them as a woman to say that they are the 0.99

02:03:06 same thing as a man just doesn't make sense and the culture does matter i'll even agree with you with 0.72

02:03:10 race i know people from so many parts of the world like my boyfriend was just in africa and over

02:03:15 here he's considered black um over there he's too light and he's considered not he's considered i forgot what

02:03:21 he said it it is but in some i'm iranian some people consider me a person of color and some

02:03:26 don't the culture that you live in also affects your the way people perceive you and that is part

02:03:32 of the story great do you have any clothes is there anything to respond to here nick or we can go to

02:03:38 the next subject yeah i just uh you know the idea that like a what makes a woman a woman is her 0.95

02:03:46 biology you know taking taking the reproductive faculty from a woman is to take the womanness 1.00

02:03:51 from her well i mean what's a woman without uh the fact that she is a biological woman a mother

02:03:57 has a vagina uterus and you know of course there are women that are born without those things but i 1.00

02:04:02 think everyone agree that's that's one of those essential things having long hair not necessarily 0.94

02:04:07 essential wearing a dress not necessarily essential we'd all agree that what makes a man a man and a

02:04:12 woman a woman are those things you can't put them under the umbrella because they dress like them 1.00

02:04:16 just like you know same thing with a car would we if you have a red car in the garage would you

02:04:21 say that what makes a car a car is that it has a coat of red paint and windows or that it has an

02:04:26 engine you know it's like the engine is what makes the car the car so it's a horseless carriage that's

02:04:30 what a car is you take away that essential component is no longer that thing you know you you could

02:04:36 push a rock in the garage paint it red put a piece of glass on it put a radio and it wouldn't make

02:04:41 it a wouldn't make it a car because it lacked you say well they're both cars they're on the umbrella of car

02:04:46 there's cars with engines and then there's rocks that look like cars it's like you know but they're

02:04:50 lacking those essential ingredients and i think everyone knows that great let's move on to the

02:04:55 next subject i want to ask nick can white people say the n-word yes well yeah they can obviously they

02:05:02 can i say it all the time so great i want to start isaac you seem to disagree or can white people say

02:05:08 the n-word um anybody can do anything as long as it's not breaking the law so from a literal sense

02:05:16 yes white people can say the n-word but i question the reasoning behind wanting to say that word is

02:05:23 it to feel powerful to take back control that was you know that we took back from y'all because of that

02:05:29 word but all those scenarios aside a white person can say the n-word but i don't think it's right to

02:05:38 say the n-word burnout do you have anything should white people be able to say the n-word

02:05:44 being that um in a sense they kind of invented it um but the history behind it breeds

02:05:54 a huge understanding as to why you shouldn't say it i really don't understand why you would want to

02:06:01 say it other than to try to get a rise out of someone that it um oppressed so you can say it

02:06:09 but why why do you want to say it i don't me personally i don't think that you should if you

02:06:16 are really like a human being that have that wants to get over the hump of racism or wants to be

02:06:21 progressive i don't think that you should be doing that you're contradicting yourself

02:06:25 christine would it offend you if a white person said the n-word

02:06:29 listen so there are people that'll say oh like my black friends let me say the n-word or i gotta pass 0.96

02:06:37 well if you say that to the wrong crowd of people you might get jumped you might get killed and things

02:06:41 like that so it's not i mean i get caught ting-tong ling ling it's it's not even on the same level though

02:06:48 because of like the history behind the word and black people have got to reclaim that word for

02:06:52 themselves i don't see why people having the desire to claim ting-tong ling ling for them they just

02:06:57 call it that so i just yeah it's like yeah white people can say it but it's like you might have

02:07:04 black friends that co-opt that and love that for you but if you go to like the wrong area of town or 0.88

02:07:08 you go somewhere and you're willingly saying it you could get beat up killed all that stuff and so 0.96

02:07:13 that's on the white person heaven do you agree do you think that uh white people should fear being 0.81

02:07:19 killed or murdered if they say the n-word yes i think they should not not that except i'm just 0.54

02:07:26 no i'm that i'm definitely that extreme i feel like they should do that because it's a word

02:07:33 that like um everyone else has said on this um panel right now like the history behind it why would

02:07:40 you want to say a word that was created by your people to oppress another minority um i don't

02:07:48 even know why somebody would want to say that it's classless um and it's just yeah it's just not a good

02:07:53 word cheyenne uh let me ask you should white people fear getting beat up or murdered if they say the n-word

02:07:59 yes do you have an argument or just uh anything else add no i am gonna add obviously you're they're

02:08:12 gonna say it but to say it to like any other minority that is black or just to say oh 0.95

02:08:19 why do you want to say it that's the reason because someone's too slow across the crosswalk

02:08:31 someone cuts you off in traffic yeah but someone throws a bag of fritos out the window on the highway

02:08:38 you're like that's not really a reason and you just it comes out it comes flying out i disagree i

02:08:44 should fear for their lives for saying that that word however i do think a lot of white people um

02:08:51 they think they could just say whatever they want and there will be no repercussions now i'm not

02:08:55 advocating for them to hurt or anything but if you lose a sponsorship if you your friends distance

02:09:00 themselves from you if you get dropped from your job that is just a natural reaction to you saying

02:09:07 something that is not deemed appropriate in society so yes you can say that word but be ready to face

02:09:12 the consequences yeah i i agree with him i don't think anyone should be beat up for saying the word

02:09:18 i just think it's cringy but actually fighting words are not constitutionally protected by the first

02:09:23 amendment getting into a little lawyer talk but chaplinsky is the case and back then it was your 0.79

02:09:28 goddamn racketeer was considered a fighting word which meant that it was not protected speech so i'm

02:09:33 there hasn't been any cases recently on this but technically fighting words are not protected speech 0.73

02:09:38 and i wonder if in a context where someone uses that word if it would fall under that doctrine i

02:09:43 don't agree with that doctrine i don't think fighting words should be uh not protected personally but that

02:09:48 is what our laws are like right now nick before you respond uh jazz do you think somebody could earn

02:09:55 an n-word pass i just feel like listen i'm not for people not being able to say something or being able

02:10:02 to say words based on their identities i'm not for that i just think it's cringy like i've never

02:10:08 seen a non-black person especially a white person or someone that talks like me where that word like

02:10:14 rolls off the tongue and doesn't sound just gross and cringy um so i mean do i think anyone should get

02:10:20 a pass not really i just think people if they want to use it use it and the way you're perceived by society

02:10:24 is on you because you can't do it i think that when it comes to the n-word and other slurs

02:10:30 um it's a protected under free speech like a lot of conservatives like to say that oh i have to

02:10:36 free speech to do this yes you do but you also have you know to face the consequences so this isn't

02:10:42 a matter of like should white people can white people say the n-word of course they can but do

02:10:48 you still want to say that word knowing that you can your business will suffer your social reputation

02:10:53 will take a nosedive um i don't think people should fear for their life for saying that but

02:10:58 if you want to say that word and consequences come to you then that's just you you made your

02:11:03 bet so i'm not lying it go ahead christine that lily gaitis girl that gained a thousand 20 000 1.00

02:11:12 followers for saying the n-word on tiktok and she's getting paid by all these outlets to do interviews

02:11:17 there are white people yes you use the n-word and you will get loved by people on that side and and

02:11:23 welcomed into the right wing and the conservative side of twitter um so so that that's why i think

02:11:30 some people would would want to do that because they want to be edgy and they want to monetize

02:11:34 off of that because there are some people that agree with them think that it's funny and that

02:11:37 they'll do that so now she's getting hate by the same people she was appealing to so that never worked

02:11:42 out yeah exactly people are calling her jewish and things like that which go ahead and continue

02:11:48 showing ourselves i have no problem with that okay well before can i jump in here yeah god

02:11:52 yeah um yeah you know it is sort of crazy because you know this is a word that let's just stop

02:12:01 pretending it it is considered the same in any context if someone utters the word even if they

02:12:07 mean no harm even if it's not directed at a black person even if it's not directed in a derogatory way

02:12:12 uttering the word this is why we call it the n-word we can't even in in the context of this

02:12:18 conversation and there's a proposition should we say it should we not say it we're not even allowed

02:12:23 to utter the syllables because we all know we don't want that clip to go around because we get 0.98

02:12:27 canceled the only and and people on the panel say if you say it you should be struck down and killed

02:12:32 or beat up some not all and this is something a lot of people do believe you see videos on the 0.90

02:12:37 internet where it's like oh this guy said the n-word then this guy hit him with a skateboard and

02:12:41 knocked him out that was awesome he had it coming the only other entity that i can think of where 0.77

02:12:47 p to this day people say you should be killed if you offend them is god like that if you commit

02:12:54 blasphemy in certain cultures they'll kill you and that's on the same level today in the same way 0.92

02:13:01 that christians won't say gd they won't say that because it's blasphemy it's a sin you go to hell 0.98

02:13:07 you have to go to confession it's like that today with the n-word which like children we have to like 1.00

02:13:14 the f word the oh i said the s word we still have to say the n-word and i think this speaks to the

02:13:19 level of the whole country as we all know is walking around on eggshells not to offend the black people

02:13:27 we all know you can offend white people hispanics you can offend asians you can keep discrimination and 0.92

02:13:34 racism on arabs muslims even jews on some level but we all know black people careful what you say 0.99

02:13:41 or else you'll be canceled if you're not in good standing if you don't have the stamp of approval 0.95

02:13:45 you'll get shouted down and i think it's totally ridiculous um so i i totally oppose it i think that 0.88

02:13:52 you know look it's a word sticks and stones break my bones etc people get called retard people get 0.86

02:13:59 called all kinds of other things people get called people can say things that are even meaner that are 0.74

02:14:04 more personal but for some reason blacks are this protected class you can't say their special word

02:14:10 i think it's total joke i think that if whites and blacks want to live together in harmony there has to be 0.77

02:14:15 a real mutual basis of equality nobody's ever said that there's things off limits you could say about 0.97

02:14:21 white people jamie foxx can go on snl and say i play jango i get to kill a lot of white people which is 0.98

02:14:27 pretty awesome you're talking about killing white people on tv that's fine you utter the syllables of 1.00

02:14:32 a slur suddenly you're a racist like uh michael or what's his name um kramer from seinfeld it's 0.99

02:14:39 totally insane it's got to go and and by the way that's for the benefit i think of both people in 0.96

02:14:45 the whole country uh both peoples blacks and whites i think we should be able to say it and it's funny

02:14:50 so i wanted to real quick guys this is aiden speaking so it was my birthday a year ago i was on stage

02:14:55 with chief keith and we were rapping together don't like um i asked chief keith on stage with

02:15:01 him i said can i say it you sure you sure he says yes i ended up rapping the lyric and i said the n-word

02:15:06 do you guys think there's anything wrong with that i think like do you want to go man go ahead okay um

02:15:14 that is a very interesting way of thinking that oh because it's in a song it makes it okay everybody

02:15:22 likes to ignore the history that should be the first thing that should come to your mind when you

02:15:27 think about the n-word and its origin it's just not like a light word we know that the n-word was

02:15:35 made to oppress us taking the n-word back was us reclaiming our power you were trying to say that

02:15:42 you using the n-word is funny is you taking a whole population and their history and the abuse

02:15:48 that you put them through and you classify them as a joke and then to sit there and be like oh

02:15:54 it's going to breed equality if we can say it no it won't what's going to breed equality is you

02:16:02 listening in to black people hearing their their um preference when it comes to something that

02:16:09 oppresses them that have painted their history for years because of the actions of others

02:16:15 and take into account and respect that because if we can respect not to say cracker or offend other

02:16:22 any other race but burnout real quick if you want if everyone wants equality so shouldn't everyone be 1.00

02:16:30 able to say any word they want because think about it if you're why are you trying to like equate

02:16:36 equality to saying words and not basic human things like the the right to food the right to home like

02:16:43 you're trying to make something fit where it does not have any prevalence okay well because you feel

02:16:51 like i just had a question i just had a question i just had a question if if you guys if you guys in

02:16:55 here thought it was wrong for me after getting permission three times to rap on stage with chief

02:17:00 keith to his i mean he doesn't speak for the entire community community of black people i'm glad you

02:17:06 got to say and you felt good but he don't speak for me i love cheeky but he don't speak for me

02:17:11 or anybody i know okay so you guys i'm sorry real quick so is there you guys do have an issue if white

02:17:18 people rap along lyrics um to songs if we're constantly telling you the history behind this and

02:17:26 you know the history because it's from your ancestors why do you want to go through that

02:17:31 you you personally did not i look we are still recovering from the repercussions okay what about

02:17:36 the holocaust and jews i'm just asking you a question i didn't go through the holocaust i didn't

02:17:41 personally go through the holocaust you didn't but you can respect that the holocaust was was like 0.93

02:17:46 really devastating to jewish people right yes you can respect that so why doesn't it doesn't believe the 1.00

02:17:51 holocaust even happen right well no that was a whole different thing forget that but aiden but

02:17:57 if you can respect that population of people have been oppressed for so long and went through

02:18:03 something so traumatic why is it so hard for you to be like oh well my question is this i think we

02:18:08 need to be consistent i'm not trying to speak for any i'm jewish right and you guys are black

02:18:13 you guys went through slavery went through the holocaust pretty much similar things so listen no 0.94

02:18:17 i wouldn't say that but go ahead i said similar i said similar in many ways okay so my question is

02:18:24 this if we want equality in the world we shouldn't be able to be like all right this specific group of

02:18:29 people cannot do this but these people can if you want ever to be equal we all got to be equal

02:18:33 i'm not telling you that's the thing i'm not telling you what to do i'm asking for respect if i can

02:18:39 respect your jewish heritage and what you went through why is it so hard for you to respect my heritage

02:18:46 and what my people went through even though i didn't go through it personally and you didn't

02:18:49 go through the holocaust personally i can respect that and not say anti-semitic things to you just

02:18:55 because it's in a song you don't hear people saying oh i can say cuck i can say this that other because

02:19:00 it's in a song you don't hear that that's you wanting that privilege because you want to be aligned

02:19:07 with something that you're not aligned with huh okay so good point like for example if in the song

02:19:12 they said like you know hitler nigga that's the nigga that i like you know you wouldn't like that

02:19:18 if they said they liked the song they would hate that i would also add italians never called them

02:19:23 the n-word we call them melignans that means eggplant we call them melignans we call them shines

02:19:28 because they shine we didn't call them the n-word and also italians were discriminated against too

02:19:33 italians were lynched evil racist against italians italians never owned slaves italians got here in the

02:19:40 19th centuries you're telling me i oppressed people i didn't impress anybody i didn't impress

02:19:45 anybody what do you mean we're talking about mexico and you're bringing up italian people for what

02:19:51 for what you basically talk about um us being um triggered over words but i feel like a lot of

02:19:58 conservatives get triggered just as as easily if we call you guys trigger me i'm not talking specifically

02:20:04 you but i remember you guys boycotting people because they call trump supporters deplorables

02:20:08 or you'll boycott another company because they said this thing they said that so i think that both

02:20:14 people like everyone has the free right under the constitution to boycott and the free market take

02:20:21 place whenever someone does something or says something that the the country does not approve of 0.90

02:20:25 so i think it's very hypocritical that you're saying oh black people don't let me say this when you guys 0.94

02:20:31 will be quick to boycott us if we said something y'all didn't like that's literally just how society works

02:20:37 and there's nothing wrong about it yeah i'm just arguing people should be able to say it i i agree

02:20:42 i mean people can react how they want but i'd also add you're canceling us do you not think that people

02:20:48 should be canceled for saying the n-word yes or no no absolutely not then you're against the free

02:20:54 market then so you're basically contradicting your point that people should be able to because i don't

02:20:59 think there's anything morally wrong with saying a word i think that if um if a person and by the

02:21:04 way i'll i'll just say i think if a person has demonstrated that they hate another race i think

02:21:11 that's wrong i you know as a catholic i think that's wrong but saying a word in in any context

02:21:17 like aiden said you could say it as part of a song and i may not be a little edgy whatever i make a joke

02:21:21 about it but saying a word in the context of a song is obviously harmless you're singing the song you

02:21:27 say the words in a song you like the artist you say the word in the song but you know we've seen

02:21:33 legitimately people get shut down because you know on tiktok when they do the lip syncing they do this

02:21:38 when they do the n-word they say you know when the n-word comes up they do this because it's like even

02:21:42 lip not even saying it but lip syncing it as part of a song people consider so immoral that they'll get

02:21:48 contracts taken and everything like that i don't think there's anything inherently wrong with uttering a

02:21:52 word even if you might find it offensive and you know again context is everything if someone is

02:21:57 using it in a super derogatory way because they hate black people or something like that that's i

02:22:03 think that is different than people that say it when they're discussing it people would say it in a 0.84

02:22:07 song it it is a term of endearment among the black people same as true of other slurs gay people call 1.00

02:22:13 each other faggots women call each other bitches uh i'm sure retards call each other retards or 1.00

02:22:17 something you know that's just society what what's really going on with the n-word is it's more about 1.00

02:22:23 this social station that blacks occupy where and you can sit there and say well i don't think they 1.00

02:22:29 should be beat up but you know just like chief keith doesn't speak for all black people you don't 0.99

02:22:34 either a lot of black people take that as a sign i can kill i can punch i can i can maim somebody i 1.00

02:22:40 think that's wrong heaven i want to ask you a question isaac before you go uh to include more 0.99

02:22:45 people heaven you said earlier that uh people should expect to be beat up or murdered if they say the

02:22:49 word is it the same repercussions that they say the soft a versus the hard r

02:22:53 you know um me personally i just feel like they shouldn't say it at all um i was raised a little

02:23:02 different as a black person like yeah i can say it but my family didn't let me say it i feel like

02:23:09 it's i really do feel like it's just like classless and tasteless to say um i feel like if you want to

02:23:16 say that word like everybody else has said on the panel like just see expect whatever that

02:23:21 happened happened you know um my stance is still the same i don't think anybody should say it but

02:23:28 is it equal if nick said the soft a versus the hard r is it the same level of offensive yes okay isaac go

02:23:36 ahead yeah i just think that um i i i agree with the statement that people should be able to say

02:23:43 whatever they want what i have a problem with is that nick suenta seems to be of the opinion that

02:23:49 whenever they face consequences for saying something that's socially unacceptable that that's wrong

02:23:54 people practice their free speech and boycotting or calling somebody out or you know getting fired or

02:24:01 you know something bad happening to them that isn't against the law that is perfectly fine so you can say

02:24:06 the n-word all you want but do not be surprised when you face societal repercussion for that that's just how

02:24:12 the world works right burnout can i ask you is it the same level of offensive if a white person said

02:24:17 the soft a versus the hard r i definitely take more offense to the hard r um but the if you want to use

02:24:26 the like a i'm just gonna look at you like you know you're not a person that would deem of like

02:24:31 you know viable character like i'm not you're not really somebody out of respect just off of the

02:24:39 strength of that i wouldn't look at you twice i wouldn't consider you like as a person like i

02:24:46 wouldn't really give you much i just would be like oh and move on because it doesn't really deserve

02:24:51 attention when people who know the history behind it want to say it still even on that and in the

02:25:00 proximity of black people it's either out of wanting to be down or wanting to get a rise and 0.98

02:25:06 in any type of situation you're not you're gonna get neither for me like i don't really care to like

02:25:12 integrate myself into that type of relationship with anyone especially especially if we've spoken

02:25:21 about it if you know where i stand and you still choose to do it so okay it sounds like uh any closing

02:25:28 thoughts on this subject i think people are going to do what they want like i said there's going to

02:25:35 be people like lily gatus and stuff that are going to make platforms and money and off of it because 1.00

02:25:40 they have that community of people that think that it's funny and edgy and that have the right to do

02:25:44 so same with like i do see like the r word is like going back like i see it all the time i tell i don't

02:25:50 agree with it i don't like saying it but it's something that is being normalized again and i think

02:25:54 that's just something that we're just going to keep seeing evolve in that aspect um there's going

02:25:59 to be people that still are okay with it there are going to be some people that think that it's okay

02:26:01 there's going to be some people that will think that they can give a pass and it's just it's just

02:26:06 what it is okay i think we can move on to the next subject go ahead you want to ask nick if there's

02:26:11 no i don't think it because we pretty much hit this nick do you have anything yeah no i think we've

02:26:16 kind of been over it okay we have like one more well we have we have one more subject it's actually a

02:26:21 great one i want to it's a two-parter so i want everyone to go in order would you say you're

02:26:26 happy in life right now and then the second point of the question is do you believe that depression is

02:26:30 real let's start with nick uh yeah i'm happy i'm pretty content i think that um you know you have to

02:26:42 love life as it is i don't i don't believe in this um people say happy they mean they want to feel

02:26:48 good all the time i think it's really more about loving life when it's you know whatever it gives

02:26:54 you whether it's uh temporary fleeting happiness or the other stuff you have to love all of it

02:26:58 so i would say i'm happy as far as depression is concerned um i definitely think it's real the

02:27:05 question is how prevalent is it i think that you know people say they're depressed i think they have

02:27:11 a lot of other problems i think they're socially dislocated i think maybe they're feeling grief

02:27:15 lonely you know i think a lot of things are called depression it's kind of just become synonymous

02:27:20 with like chronic negative emotion but i don't know you know people treat it like a mental illness

02:27:25 i think it's i think it's real mental illness would say nothing's causing it i think the grief and

02:27:31 loneliness chronic negative feelings that people have especially now i think there's a very real reason

02:27:38 for it and i think that you know if their lives were different they wouldn't be depressed

02:27:42 now if depression were real illness that wouldn't be the case i and i think depression is real but

02:27:47 i think it's far it's far more rare than it's diagnosed who wants to respond first anyone

02:27:53 i'll say i'm happy i think happiness is a choice and i think gratitude has to do a lot with it

02:28:02 um depression is real and i think it wasn't as common uh before things like social media or like

02:28:15 the wealth gap and things of that nature i don't think it was that prevalent but i did think it existed

02:28:22 i think it's real but it's more so a mental state because it's it's just feeling more so that you are

02:28:31 hopeless and that's a feeling but some people get stuck in that feeling and that's when depression

02:28:36 develops and i feel like maybe i want to say that um it's solvable by just practicing gratitude

02:28:45 but that is more personal to me rather than i can't just apply that to everybody

02:28:51 isa go ahead yeah i would i would say i would say i agree with nick um i think i'm content um i do think

02:29:00 a lot of people are chasing a fleeting sense of like spark and whenever it dies down a little bit

02:29:05 they start to think oh like life is not worth it or anything but i think you do need to appreciate

02:29:10 even the little things about life um as part as for depression i do think that depression is real

02:29:16 but it is like there there are two sides to it there's like environmental aspects where

02:29:22 you know somebody loses their job they're in a tough financial situation that can lead them to

02:29:26 being depressed and then there are a lot of other people who have everything going for now

02:29:31 they are depressed but we don't know why so and i do believe that a lot of people get falsely

02:29:37 diagnosed with depression sometimes it's temporary like situational and sometimes it's just sadness

02:29:43 but depression as a whole it is real but whether it's environmentally um based or something that's

02:29:51 inherent to that specific person that's up for debate

02:29:53 do we have a point of contention everybody christine go ahead

02:29:59 oh um yeah i was i was on the same page as everyone i i just think that being content is more

02:30:05 important because there are people that kind of seek more and more to be happy or need more and more

02:30:11 to be happy whether it's money or like they're seeking fame or whatever it is um but there are

02:30:16 definitely people that have that it can be genetic that people within their family have suffered

02:30:21 through like psychiatric episodes and several mental illnesses and it is up to the individual

02:30:27 of course to whether they self-medicate um but there's other people that that cope with it not

02:30:32 through medication but like by drinking or in unhealthy ways or by like going to the gym people are like

02:30:36 just go to the gym like you'll feel better so

02:30:38 um i would say that yeah i agree with kind of sentiment everyone has shared i do think that

02:30:48 depression does have a genetic and environmental component we do know that people can have genetic

02:30:52 predispositions to it which proves that there is some type of genetic component to it but i do think

02:30:57 a lot of it is environmental and when we're seeing rate like rates rise really high like they are right now

02:31:02 it can very well be attributed to lack of community lack of personal relationships there's a really good book

02:31:08 by johan harry called lost connections that really goes into this being socio-economically depressed

02:31:13 or being not able to support yourself not finding meaning in your job all of these things can affect

02:31:18 you getting depressed right and there's obviously an epigenetic component and all of that so it's not

02:31:24 super easy so there's a lot of nuance to it but yeah i wouldn't make it a black and white thing but i do

02:31:29 think it obviously exists also i have to go um so yeah this started a little later

02:31:37 and i had plans uh that i can't cancel so uh if i could exit gracefully i'd appreciate it

02:31:44 likewise i'm gonna have to go as well great yeah we're gonna ask for closing statements here of

02:31:50 anything uh nick do you have a closing statement do you guys uh you know have the same opinions

02:31:53 or did you learn anything clothing clothing closing thoughts wait we got ahead uh heaven and um

02:32:01 and uh shiana do you have anything they've been pretty quiet yeah i was you said goodbye

02:32:09 guys i'm aware hold on a second everyone everyone is we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna basically

02:32:16 uh we're just gonna say final words to close this thing off um i appreciate everyone's time and all

02:32:21 you guys were awesome you guys just want to say like something that you guys have learned or

02:32:25 something that you highly want to emphasize on your your closing statement go ahead we'll start with

02:32:29 you burnout go ahead um i just want to say thank you for letting me express my thoughts um i respect

02:32:37 everybody's disposition or their right to have the disposition because i don't agree with everything

02:32:44 um and i don't know just thank you for giving me a space to express thoughts that differ from

02:32:50 what you usually be gone for sure all right nick do you have anything to say to her

02:32:56 uh no well i'll i'll address the whole group but yeah thanks for joining the panel thank you for

02:33:03 having me i hope you have a good night and think about what happened here 0.98

02:33:09 burnout do you can you give nick the n-word pass before you leave absolutely fucking not come on 0.99

02:33:20 isaac can you give nick can you give nick one n-word pass yeah but i'm gonna have to charge you 0.99

02:33:25 no you tried it isaac next time

02:33:30 heaven do you give nick the n-word pass

02:33:36 um no i do not

02:33:40 i know isaac's gonna give it to me he's already come on i will say that

02:33:46 i think he did most of y'all get to me is a

02:33:48 all right i guess i'll have to say it illegally no pass i'm going in with no pass

02:33:56 i mean don't kill me i mean you already did it you don't have you already said it you don't need

02:34:02 to pass yeah you already said it you asked for permission for you already did it yeah thank you

02:34:09 for having us on um i think uh nick you're really good yeah you're really good at um verbalizing your

02:34:14 thoughts i disagree with it you know a lot but you know i could see why you have such a large following

02:34:21 but um i do think a lot of your arguments were weak you lacked evidence but you were good at saying

02:34:27 it so i'll give you that thanks why i appreciate you being a good sport thank you um i want to tell

02:34:35 my sister about it she's like oh yeah people like that shouldn't have a platform but like you said 0.58

02:34:38 you already do have a platform um so yeah i do appreciate that we were able to keep it respectful

02:34:44 i don't think it got too heated or anything like that and um yeah we agree on something so you know

02:34:49 like the pro-palace side and then also on the depression is real and that gay is so um yeah it was 0.99

02:34:56 very interesting thank you thank you guys yeah thank you okay um have a good night everybody

02:35:03 thank you guys all right nick hang out here real quick nick okay all right so long guys thank you

02:35:10 all right nick we're gonna just put our camera on one second sweet uh chat who won that chat who won

02:35:18 chat let me see you guys do a w rl it's pretty clear we're the feminists annihilated yeah that was uh 1.00

02:35:26 we had to change some of the questions during the conversation because it was pretty clear that

02:35:30 they didn't really know what they were talking about so we made it more like juvenile and simple

02:35:35 i think like starting off with kamala trump was kind of it was not the right idea so i tried to make

02:35:39 it more comedic towards the end it's they didn't really have much most of the time they just said i

02:35:44 feel like i'm like yeah they should vote but they didn't present any arguments and even they got

02:35:48 offended there wasn't there wasn't much going on from that i was i was disappointed with the

02:35:52 with the panel how did you feel it was fun they were good sports about it but i don't think in

02:35:59 fairness i don't think uh they were debaters you know like dean too even though he's crying and

02:36:04 everything and you know he's right up with me me and him are two n-word sayers we're unpermitted

02:36:09 n-word sayers undocumented n-word users uh you know at least he he's like a debate bro this is what he

02:36:16 does it's he's in his element to his credit um you know these girls they they came they shared

02:36:22 their opinions they shared their thoughts and it's like isaac said i do this for a living i express my

02:36:26 opinion for a living i think they um it was more casual for them but you know i appreciated coming

02:36:31 on i thought it was a good conversation and it's good to flesh out the topics i think they

02:36:37 represent what everybody thinks about the issues i think in that way it was balanced i represent kind

02:36:43 of the opposite view and i'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say oh well i got you in my

02:36:50 trap i'm trying to get people think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you know

02:36:55 you could see so much of the talk is well everyone should vote everyone that everyone has rights women

02:37:01 have rights everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it

02:37:06 should be and the job is less to say oh hey republicans are right vote republican it's more about

02:37:12 maybe we need to examine our fundamental assumptions about the world and you know these liberal views

02:37:17 we all have about the world so that's what i tried to do i thought i thought they were very fair they

02:37:22 were all good sports none of them were personal none of them got offended to their credit so i thought

02:37:28 it was a good debate i thought it was fun i think you were expecting that and so was i i was expecting

02:37:31 to get a little dirty i think you started that way like saying like oh let's get a man on to fix the

02:37:36 mic and all this and then you realize that it was pretty you know that this was just a conversation

02:37:40 to get them thinking that was the more important strategy when did you realize to shift your your

02:37:45 debate strategy oh well you know towards the end it was kind of like i could it was slowing down a

02:37:52 little so i was like we gotta we gotta just get some content in there it's so cheap but it's like i i'll

02:37:58 say the n-word i know we're all expecting it i know that's what everybody wants to see i was like i'll

02:38:02 fucking do it i'll fucking do it again i'll say it and i'll throw uh you know the other guy in there 0.99

02:38:07 yeah so i was like yeah we gotta do it for the content it can't all just be like wholesome chungus 0.99

02:38:13 you know mike turned to talk we got you know we had to throw some none of them took the bait i'm a

02:38:18 little disappointed i threw out moulin yon i threw out shine i was thinking someone's gonna take

02:38:23 the bait they were all pretty disciplined i tried to i shifted the questions to get more of

02:38:27 debate because in the beginning it was too rhetorical and just everybody's speaking like a

02:38:31 classroom so i changed the questions to be more provocative and none of them really got 0.99

02:38:35 angry i mean at one point you said the word faggot and the asian girl just like she closed her eyes 0.99

02:38:39 and turned off her camera for a bit but that was it i mean isaac was the one isaac seemed like he was 0.96

02:38:44 swinging a bit but he seemed to agree with some of the stuff like where you we see an overlap is a

02:38:49 lot of the leftists agree with the pro-palestine stuff you're not really pro-palestine you're more

02:38:53 anti-israel but there's not that much contention because they have to concede when it comes to

02:38:58 christianity because they can see that your morality comes to christianity they don't want to argue that

02:39:02 and their morality is subjective so it kind of just reached a point where there's not much to

02:39:06 disagree about yeah i mean they're just the thing is the women aren't um they're not like gladiators 1.00

02:39:13 when you do a debate need gladiators that are going to go in and you know freak out and to to my point

02:39:19 about feminism they were all so agreeable it wasn't it was hardly even contentious it was civil and it

02:39:25 was barely contentious um they were just kind of expressing disagreement but like you said not really

02:39:31 making like a confrontational argument um so it was it is what it was the questions were good the

02:39:38 questions you were throwing up these like curveballs or softballs i should say to uh kind of get it

02:39:44 going but they were too nice so and i'm too nice everybody expects it i think it's also because i'm

02:39:50 handsome i'm handsome i have riz and i come in and you know if i was like charlie kirk and i was like

02:39:55 little human being you know maybe then it'd be easier for them to get angry but when i come in

02:40:00 i'm like hey what's up guys they're like we can't hate this guy this is a nice guy we like we don't

02:40:05 even when i'm saying the n-word they're like oh you oh stop you're being bad don't say the n-word you

02:40:12 know like so i can i can just say you know you you did great i i was a little underwhelmed as well 0.96

02:40:17 i thought the people were going to come with more shit um but nick i really do want to get you 0.83

02:40:21 that girl i want to try to convince her uh i believe it's noemi or something like that you 0.97

02:40:26 know i offered her twenty thousand dollars she still said no she's just thinking that it's not

02:40:31 going to do good there's not going to be good out of it i'm like look come on and try to change

02:40:34 people's opinions if you if you're so confident that you can in some way uh change people's opinions

02:40:39 that watch come do it and you get twenty thousand dollars um so i'm really trying to get somebody like

02:40:44 that um on here but you know also maybe even parker or someone like that i want to get you some

02:40:51 you know parker's the guy feeding um dean information in his ear um i want to get you

02:40:56 somebody i want to get you somebody who actually can hold their own ground at least come with

02:40:59 something he doesn't know the lore he brought up destiny when our mics were muted i had to tell

02:41:02 him about the fresh and fit debate and the whole lore and how many times like when you got unbanned

02:41:06 on twitter the twitter space it's like it's been done that debates happened a hundred times over

02:41:10 the past couple years so we want something new so open invite to challengers and let's get a little

02:41:16 spicier next time i mean nick i'm trying man a lot of people are running away man they don't want to

02:41:19 talk to you bro i know i've been trying for i'm calling out the conservatives too none of them

02:41:26 want to do it um so yeah i hear you man it's uh that's my that's my struggle if you will i will

02:41:32 vouch sort of like my struggle it's very difficult everyone watching it's true we've hit up so many

02:41:37 people nobody wants to talk to him nobody wants to do it everyone's running away they're like oh well

02:41:42 i don't know about that one i gotta check with my manager like it's like nobody wants to just

02:41:46 do it so i do that's why i do respect dean because at least he came on and at least you

02:41:51 know he you know you and i actually had a great debate in my opinion so i'm trying man and look

02:41:56 i'm gonna keep trying but we'll figure it out i want to see nick against conservatives aiden was

02:42:01 saying liberals but nick really wants to debate conservatives that you can give me give me three

02:42:05 give me three conservatives charlie kirk ben shapiro candace tommy robinson time give me

02:42:12 tommy robinson he's been calling me out he's not gonna do it he ran from dan bozerian dan bozerian's

02:42:17 not even a debater like this guy's i'll call i'll call him out anyway but him andrew clavin i debate

02:42:22 him i any dennis prager any of these guys they don't want to do it try man it's tough it's very

02:42:29 tough it's tougher than it looks i mean you would think that people would be down but it's just so hard

02:42:34 uh because people just they're they're not wanting to do it with you man

02:42:37 hmm true tail off and top being sanctioned they're boycotting divesting and sanctioning me it's sort

02:42:44 of hypocritical it's a little hypocritical but um but yeah no but it was fun i mean we just got to

02:42:50 find a worthy we got to find the clash of the titans the royal rumble we need like the wrestlemania

02:42:55 main event we need the belt we need the ring belt we need ladders you know this was um this was baby

02:43:02 baby match this was like a regular i don't even know it's like a wwe divas match anyone's been done

02:43:08 though it has been many times okay million times yeah all right i would love to get you hassan you

02:43:13 would never do it though he did it five years ago i would debate hassan well what'd you think about the

02:43:18 the keith daniel debate it was good um yeah that was a good debate but you know daniel represents kind

02:43:28 of like a unique position he's like a third worldist like muslim or something but um yeah i thought keith

02:43:35 handled that easily w keith woods but uh yeah i don't know it's tough because i am super controversial

02:43:42 but i'd like to debate a conservative so if there's any conservatives that like mid-level

02:43:48 conservatives independent enough to do it i'd i'd debate any of them trying to get it man it's tough

02:43:53 it's really really tough well what about the e-date we could definitely do that i'll get you some good

02:43:57 girls um we'll get you some good girls to go on an e-date with you that'd be fun not like that only 1.00

02:44:03 fans mud shark i mean what the hell was that she had her boobs hanging out the whole time were those 1.00

02:44:08 hickeys or veins i couldn't tell what those like those bruises were if there was like milk coming 0.90

02:44:12 out if she had uh hickeys all over but yeah as soon as she started plugging the of f i'm like we 0.99

02:44:16 should just kick her out but someone that was crazy everybody loves you nick my you wouldn't believe 0.97

02:44:21 how many texts i'm getting i love this guy nick nick's great this guy's fucking amazing it's an 0.98

02:44:26 honor man to really talk to you man i know look like i said man you and i you know people of my

02:44:31 you know race nationality might have issues with you but i like you i really do i think you're a

02:44:35 very solid guy you're a very solid individual i really agree with a lot of the stuff you say

02:44:38 um and it's great i you know nick you're thank you for again i'm glad that you and i could come

02:44:43 together and you know make some cool dope shit happen bro it's awesome likewise man i love your stream

02:44:49 you're a good guy you got a good heart and i don't care what anybody says you're one of the

02:44:53 good ones and we it promotes mutual understanding we're all american that's what we want to promote

02:44:57 we love our country we love god we love each other i see i see your groepers i like the groepers by

02:45:04 the way the ar lowes and the groepers like each other they're kind of similar in many ways but i see

02:45:08 them and they're saying you know what aiden does seem good and then somebody replies always they're like

02:45:13 just wait just wait he's gonna turn i want to just clear by saying that not all jews are bad

02:45:19 my brother snico here is jewish i'm not jewish you are by definition i'm not jewish i will never turn

02:45:26 on you nick fuentes i will never turn on you either i appreciate you you're uh you're good that's what

02:45:32 it's about we got to be good people you know so no hate no discrimination it's all love love speech

02:45:38 love speech community right love speech of course well um look nick i hope you have a great rest of

02:45:43 your night you let me know uh well i'll coordinate with you when we want to do this e-day or again if

02:45:48 any conservatives liberals if anybody if anybody wants to challenge come up and debate nick let's

02:45:52 do it uh everyone come on he's down to do anyone you know and think about nick i could vouch again it

02:45:58 could be like one hour before the debate you're just ready to go i i really that is crazy crazy okay

02:46:05 yeah bring it on man but yeah i appreciate you having me on thanks for a fun night great stream

02:46:09 you guys are the goats of kick w kick oh yes nico now too for sure thank you nick have a good night 0.65

02:46:16 first did you see what eddie said about the nick do you see what eddie said about the last conversation

02:46:20 the ceo of kick said something yeah i did yeah and i appreciated him saying that you know i'm not

02:46:25 trying to get you guys on trouble even in this debate tonight i was trying to be respectful of the

02:46:30 um expectations on kick um and trying to be appropriate the thing is as long as the rules

02:46:37 are clear and articulated i'm willing to follow any rules the problem with social media as always

02:46:43 is they they don't even tell you what they ban for it's totally convoluted so you know i appreciate

02:46:48 him and i just want to know i respect the platform i'm not trying to be a punk and get everybody in

02:46:53 trouble i am who i am i like to bring the content but i'm trying to keep it respectful of

02:46:58 the platform and not you know bring down the hammer on you guys because you know how it is

02:47:03 with cancel culture so i appreciated him saying that 100 hey chat let's get nick on kick

02:47:09 my first kick stream coming up wait really maybe yeah maybe i'll do one i got it i got to get my

02:47:18 username though could you get me my username and then i do one for sure 100 i'll get your username

02:47:22 sweet yeah then i'll do it we'll do a big i'll do a kick stream i'll stream here every night

02:47:26 wow holy shit okay let me get you that name and let me get you that verification 0.65

02:47:31 sweet all right let's do it yeah i'd love to come on kick sounds good man all right we'll be in 0.97

02:47:37 touch thank you all right thanks guys take it easy great great great all right

02:47:43 what are you handing me this for it that's it's your stream buddy all right brett all right baby 1.00

02:47:48 what time you gonna lie tomorrow i don't know yes let me suck that cock okay all right wait what 1.00

02:47:53 time you gonna lie tomorrow uh i don't know you're gonna hop up up on your stream yeah yeah it depends 1.00

02:47:59 what time what time what time what time works i've been in toronto for a minute man i'm ready

02:48:05 to go back i know um you don't have to do i can i'm obviously gonna be there in the afternoon what

02:48:11 time do you want to go live um five or six ideally eight this one usually go live perfect so i'll be

02:48:20 there w cap dude okay have a good stream man kuffman's about to come on yeah oh yeah chat we're

02:48:29 gonna have we're gonna have a sit down with kuffman um would you like to come on and sit with

02:48:32 us while i talk to kuffman if you don't have to if you want to go eat go eat thank you for hosting

02:48:36 the debate with me okay where's my jew lamp it's on the way did you see i just got a ship they

02:48:41 finished making the jew lamp can i let me show chat show the chat i got the jew lamp made

02:48:46 hey that's looking good huh chat does it look does it look like me it does so tomorrow yeah i

02:48:59 don't know what to do it's like gonna be my first kick stream i was wondering if i should go live in

02:49:02 new york if i should start with the bang or no do your first show with me please please may you please

02:49:09 okay just keep it simple yes keep it there very simple i'll be there promise you have a

02:49:16 friend in me i promise yeah i want to show you something i'm gonna show you why you know you

02:49:21 have a friend in me is it gonna be weird all right bro look okay i'm your friend trust me

02:49:30 sneeko that looks so untrustworthy how he looks like a harry potter goblin come on chat do i look

02:49:36 trustworthy it looks like he's gonna sell poison he's trying to get me vaccinated 0.98

02:49:40 how was your birthday overall three days of partying non-stop i'm still fucked up over it 0.98

02:49:47 i'll be goodbye tomorrow um you know gym and all that stuff's gonna be good but yeah dude 0.82

02:49:53 the partying is partying man it's fucking tough yeah you know it's a lot of um you know chat you

02:49:58 know about party come on um but yeah how much do you get getting an hour something i mean he's not 0.97

02:50:05 gonna say it probably but no nope it's good i'm out very good i'm out and my boy sneeko's gonna be

02:50:12 grinding i would love to do a stream with you in new york though we should definitely do that thing

02:50:16 where we go to in times square closer to the election because listen well it's actually we have

02:50:19 to be after the election i'm gonna be in new york for the john jones fight so we should go around

02:50:23 yeah what's your what's your schedule coming up forward um you want to go to new york and do

02:50:27 i might i might yeah well i'll let you know more about it i don't want to leak anything but i have

02:50:31 to eventually go to la at some point um what about uh the middle east abu dhabi yeah yeah so is that

02:50:37 confirmed or no i'm not when you say plans i'm not sure how much i should be like okay that's

02:50:40 well let me tell you why i don't

02:50:41 but all right so that's why it's up in the air now okay yeah jack he didn't even say anything

02:50:58 crazy i really didn't i really didn't i just don't want to leak anything i don't want to leak 0.96

02:51:02 anything because motherfuckers are weird they're gonna just be weird um but we should do some type 1.00

02:51:06 of like yeah we'll talk about it i have a great idea if we're gonna do at the end of the month 0.98

02:51:10 for trick-or-treatings we should go trick-or-treating with a bunch of kids 0.98

02:51:13 in toronto wherever cool but yeah uh bring kuffman yeah sure fuck it i'm out of here bro 0.99

02:51:24 kick.com slash sneeko no no pin this shit right now and let's no i don't need no need no need no 0.96

02:51:29 need no don't worry don't worry forget about it forget about it if i don't want to pin his channel 0.96

02:51:33 don't don't stop actually don't do that don't do that why because i want it to be i don't want to

02:51:37 be filled with ar loyal as well they didn't even do it right lego lego you didn't even put the

02:51:42 good you can't click it all right anyways fine well all right man have a good drink i want to give you

02:51:49 a handshake i want to teach you a handshake let me turn the camera off um so what you're gonna do

02:51:53 this is a freemason thing i'm doing give me your hand like that what is that don't tell anyone how 0.99

02:52:00 to do that all right we're good welcome to kick the fuck was that nothing welcome to kick 0.99

02:52:07 what did you just do welcome to kick everyone say welcome to kick you're on kick now did you do 1.00

02:52:16 some freemason never i'm not a freemason do i look like a freemason what was that it was a

02:52:20 it was a secret handshake why did you just it's a secret handshake

02:52:23 why did you just matters it's a secret handshake

02:52:23 it's a secret handshake

02:52:24 why did you just it's a secret handshake it's a secret handshake it's a secret handshake

02:52:25 it's a secret handshake it's a secret handshake it's a secret handshake it's a secret handshake

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SNEAKO - October 15, 2024

SNEAKO & Adin Ross Host Debate For Nick Fuentes VS 5 Feminists

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