SNEAKO - SNEAKO & Adin Ross Host Debate For Nick Fuentes VS 5 Feminists

00:00:00.000 what's up brother no i don't think so shalom hey thank you so much hey what up oh see go uh you

00:00:06.180 can pull up that shirt baby do you have herpes by the way i don't have herpes it was a false

00:00:09.240 accusation false accusation no i don't have herpes no aids no aids no herpes sit down i'm gonna give

00:00:14.160 me a mask sit the fuck down do you not have i have nothing i'm clean as a whistle all right

00:00:18.860 all right um what's up man hey what's going on stico good to see you hey wait do i really have

00:00:25.660 do i really have a juno's no i don't think so yes it goes below the um the septum line if you

00:00:34.140 turn to the side give us a full side profile give us a full side you're kind of hiding it a little

00:00:37.980 it's supposed to dip below oh yeah that's not that's not even hooked why are you on your knees

00:00:42.560 next to me bro yeah it seems unnecessary but i'm sorry hey uh nick okay so how do you feel going

00:00:51.220 with these things let me tell you the topics that i have written down and if you want to add in one

00:00:54.160 more i think we'll have enough time for this five if you want you wrote five yeah i got i got five

00:00:58.540 okay well i wrote uh is being gay wrong um we wrote uh are men more superior than women like last time

00:01:04.980 um we wrote kamala or trump and then i wrote transgenderism that's not a question that's not

00:01:11.780 okay so let's not i think those are all good i like uh kamala versus trump again but yeah are men

00:01:18.640 women equal i think those are two good questions last time yeah should women vote i like that one

00:01:24.200 because that's gonna start it's a good question you know and it's on topic and it's gonna get both

00:01:28.500 sides angry yeah um i also i've added is it okay to be fat i like this one i want to bring up that

00:01:33.860 subject that's great i love that is it okay to be fat and um should gay people be allowed to adopt

00:01:40.400 babies i love that one too i like that one too those are good it's a good one for the fifth one

00:01:45.620 i wrote is religious law oppressive but we could change that to kamala hold on should a woman put

00:01:49.900 mayo when they make you a sandwich is a good one that's it not obviously i'm just fucking kidding

00:01:56.360 i stole that from someone in my chat all right well look dude i have to invite you to the server

00:02:00.540 i'm gonna save the link don't leak it on your stream yet i'm gonna okay i'm gonna save you the

00:02:04.780 link i'm gonna give you rolls so you'll you'll be able to just hop right in all right okay all right

00:02:08.980 let me send the server to you right now i'll see you in a second okay all righty hey sneeko nobody the

00:02:13.720 cameras are off okay nice he's not doing it

00:02:17.580 hey sneeko by the way when they went to do lean for his birthday yesterday i left what are you

00:02:24.540 saying i went back to my b&b what are you saying they hired prostitutes to drink lean to celebrate

00:02:29.500 his birthday he's lying there were no prostitutes and there was no lean drake got him the best trip

00:02:34.140 club he got him that back room all right all right what oh my god wanted you hear that

00:02:39.940 i don't know what that sound is nick hey all right go ahead and put your camera on

00:02:46.200 okay all right let me do this should we just have our camera off and put it the top left i think i

00:02:51.480 might be better right yeah i'll turn the camera off all right so nick i'm gonna turn my camera off

00:02:55.700 when we drag the first girl in here okay how should the format be guys so we basically just have one

00:03:00.360 girl join per like how should we do it what's the what's the way we should do it um so if you want

00:03:04.500 to do it similar to jubilee it was like all girls join each um yeah we spend 20 minutes max on each

00:03:11.240 topic i agree yeah i think i think we go one at a time no but there's five of them and we want to

00:03:15.300 keep cycling through but i think a good segment would be if all five coming at once to debate

00:03:18.960 like i want to see okay so all five coming at once and then each girl has like what two minutes to

00:03:24.300 basically respond to the question yeah they go back and forth i think you go two minutes back and

00:03:27.880 forth but yeah we just serve mute them okay that's fine let's drag everyone in here we're gonna have

00:03:32.520 everyone introduce themselves first can you flip this one here yeah i was gonna say hold on um

00:03:38.160 let me text jade again i think we have another headphones we could just set up oh hello hey that's

00:03:44.560 not a girl is that a feminine are you a feminist but male i'm talking about the black guy the black

00:03:53.480 okay yeah oh you're a feminist you would be right okay i'm trying to turn my camera on it's tough

00:04:00.060 all right exactly this looks like a netflix show

00:04:03.800 all right we're just waiting on the rest oh wow

00:04:09.740 can we put the boobs away what kind of stream is this what are we what are we doing is this a

00:04:25.820 debate or oh my god dude wait hold on who's this what their camera on right here free the nipple

00:04:32.960 neck that's why i even pushed it back so that we could get more boobs can we put on like a sweatshirt

00:04:39.180 or something a burka they're gonna burka yeah oh fuck lico but lico what if he has a wired

00:04:47.820 headphones because i have an aux cord oh yeah i don't think it'd work i think i've got a very

00:04:51.980 diverse panel it's my fucking intersectional yeah burnout we see you we're just waiting on

00:04:56.840 one more person um shiana and uh prismel who is this right here they have to put the camera on

00:05:03.160 their their name hello shiana how you doing

00:05:05.420 all right perfect we're just waiting on one more person to fix their camera and we're ready to

00:05:11.260 start okay um jazz yeah i'm gonna get jazz there's no nipples that'll flop out right

00:05:18.100 no no look it's not all right i just i don't want to get banned is all you know i can barely hear her

00:05:24.900 over the boobs uh okay nick if you right click each individual's picture you can turn their volume

00:05:37.060 up by the way okay cool all right we're i want to get started we're just waiting on one more person

00:05:44.980 guys for now you guys want to introduce yourself burnout you can go on and uh start introducing

00:05:48.700 yourself um talk about yourself give a little introduction go ahead hi i'm burnout i'm brooklyn

00:05:55.300 bass i'm an artist and musician and you know i'm here for the feminists you feel me salute all right

00:06:04.540 that's great that's great okay um i'm sorry your name doesn't pop up but the um oh there we go i see

00:06:10.680 you now hello you can go ahead and introduce yourself blonde hair girl with dreads

00:06:16.520 i heard going crazy i mean that is that not what she has no you're absolutely right i just you know

00:06:25.420 i'm picking up by the description a little bit okay um go ahead

00:06:32.200 uh blonde dreads

00:06:35.860 okay can you guys hear me yeah yeah okay um hey everyone i'm jada um

00:06:48.180 i'm a criminologist i'm a student and yeah i'm excited to be on why did you decide to join this debate today

00:07:01.100 just because i like arguing no i'm kidding um i am really excited to try to change this guy's point of

00:07:14.920 view um i've seen some of his stuff so yeah perfect that's great wait so one more time uh what's your

00:07:23.120 name jada jada and then top left uh burnout just call you burnout yeah i'm just burnout okay great

00:07:30.480 um okay the next girl if you can please introduce yourself and uh give a little description and

00:07:34.780 why you decided to uh be here today yep yes okay my name is christine i'm a crisis line specialist for

00:07:41.340 domestic violence crisis line and i make music as well but i kind of want to be on here because i

00:07:46.300 think a lot of people ideas of feminism is like you know the taylor swift white feminism or the woman

00:07:52.300 that wear pink pussy hats and i just want to say like we're not all like

00:07:55.480 prisma that girl has to fix her shit or i'm kicking her bro it's ruining the layout um i try to look

00:08:00.240 up nick's stuff and i got luck everywhere else but tiktok i looked up nick fuentes and it said

00:08:05.860 against community bylines and nick fuentes with a z against community by like uh guidelines i was

00:08:10.920 like oh my god they really don't want to show his stuff but i gotta watch a few of your um your stuff

00:08:15.580 and things like on youtube and they love you on twitter so yeah

00:08:20.260 okay guys very good real quick there's somebody with their camera off if you guys can just please

00:08:25.660 try to keep it on because it's going to ruin the layout of the streams for me and nick um but i

00:08:30.180 appreciate that uh thank you thank you guys just have your camera straight okay uh what was your name

00:08:33.820 again c christine yeah gotcha nice to meet you okay is that key you can go ahead and introduce yourself

00:08:41.600 while you're here wait can you guys see me yes yeah i can see you yes we can see myself um but yeah

00:08:48.800 my name is isaac i'm from houston um i'm currently a college student uh majoring in political science

00:08:55.760 and of course i know who nick is i know aiden ross is i know sneaker i don't agree with all the you know

00:09:02.000 a lot of you guys but i am looking forward to a productive discussion okay why did you decide to

00:09:07.280 join this debate today well i've been a lifelong feminist and i just recently started getting into

00:09:14.020 political sphere uh i appeared in the last jubilee video um covering this exact topic um so yeah

00:09:21.160 that's pretty much it okay that sounds great and uh in the middle oh we can't hear you if you can

00:09:29.580 just i think yeah jasmine's yeah jazz uh your mic's not selected if you go to the bottom middle of your

00:09:36.580 screen you can select your okay so i'm gonna keep sleeping oh sorry my bad i was trying to put the

00:09:41.620 camera you're good i i kind of can't see myself i know i'm mobile i think you guys can see me but

00:09:46.040 i can't see you yeah so on mobile on mobile on mobile if you guys are on your phones you're not

00:09:49.560 able to see yourselves but i promise you we can see you if we can't i'll say something

00:09:52.840 okay if you guys can the ones that are mobile tilt your uh your phones um horizontal horizontally

00:09:59.840 meaning um hamburger style if you guys can't yeah but you have to turn off the lock thing on your

00:10:05.580 phone um burn out uh and then if you could do that as well sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh shwash

00:10:11.240 Cheyenne you got it right

00:10:13.460 sorry I'm sorry

00:10:14.300 and then

00:10:17.880 oh I have to unlock it

00:10:23.020 yeah screen lock

00:10:23.880 I'm so sorry

00:10:26.220 it's like a zoom class

00:10:28.780 heaven your mic is muted

00:10:32.280 can we get a mail to help

00:10:37.420 with this please

00:10:39.020 guys guys

00:10:42.020 he's just

00:10:44.580 I'm just

00:10:46.300 he's just

00:10:47.520 breaking the ice

00:10:52.060 all right hold on

00:10:53.200 we can't hear you Jazz

00:10:54.740 Jazz we cannot hear you

00:10:58.060 okay

00:10:59.780 we can see you

00:11:01.940 can't hear you

00:11:02.800 we can definitely see you

00:11:04.560 she's doing a strip show

00:11:07.380 well then I'll go

00:11:09.300 yeah go ahead Cheyenne

00:11:10.100 my name is Cheyenne

00:11:12.140 I am

00:11:13.120 from Florida

00:11:14.360 born and raised

00:11:15.620 and I am an actor

00:11:18.060 and I wanted to join this debate

00:11:20.740 to kind of see

00:11:21.660 I don't really think

00:11:23.380 you're a bad person

00:11:24.380 I just don't agree on

00:11:25.420 the stuff you say

00:11:26.200 and I am a feminist

00:11:28.060 so I want to see

00:11:28.880 if this can be

00:11:29.940 a better outcome

00:11:31.640 for both of us

00:11:32.440 so we both get a better

00:11:33.380 understanding

00:11:33.940 because people just think

00:11:35.020 feminist and they think

00:11:35.960 oh she hates men

00:11:37.200 and that's not true

00:11:38.220 whatsoever

00:11:38.940 what movies have you

00:11:41.680 acted in before

00:11:42.440 just local

00:11:45.040 in like Florida

00:11:45.740 oh nice

00:11:47.160 thank you

00:11:48.940 okay cool

00:11:49.840 all right

00:11:51.940 are we ready to get started

00:11:52.620 Heaven is your mind

00:11:53.420 sorry not

00:11:53.840 wait Heaven

00:11:54.320 you're good

00:11:55.000 Jazz are you fixed

00:11:56.420 I don't think so

00:11:58.760 yeah you're fixed

00:11:59.180 no you're good

00:11:59.540 we hear you

00:11:59.920 we hear you

00:12:00.440 all right Jazz

00:12:02.400 go ahead

00:12:03.660 you can give an introduction

00:12:04.560 and also tell us

00:12:05.340 why you're here today

00:12:05.900 okay

00:12:07.260 my name is Jasmine Jafar

00:12:08.820 otherwise known

00:12:09.660 as the 304 lawyer

00:12:11.280 I was a lawyer

00:12:13.740 and then I turned

00:12:14.780 to an OnlyFans star

00:12:16.420 and I'm here today

00:12:17.280 because I think

00:12:18.260 that it'll be easy

00:12:19.440 to dismantle

00:12:20.580 oh she's OnlyFans

00:12:21.220 talking points

00:12:22.220 oh shit

00:12:22.660 okay

00:12:24.960 how long have you been

00:12:25.620 doing OnlyFans for

00:12:26.460 since 2021

00:12:28.740 oh wow

00:12:29.580 okay

00:12:30.560 are you here to debate

00:12:31.380 or are you here for promo

00:12:32.460 promo

00:12:34.220 and debate

00:12:35.460 all right both

00:12:36.240 at least you're being honest

00:12:37.060 about it

00:12:37.600 yeah

00:12:38.660 all right

00:12:39.300 well guys

00:12:39.960 we're gonna get started here

00:12:40.920 this is me talking

00:12:43.360 Aiden

00:12:43.580 nice to meet all of you

00:12:44.320 my buddy Sneeko here

00:12:45.360 has helped me do this thing

00:12:46.500 I'm not really the best

00:12:47.340 when it comes to hosting this stuff

00:12:48.360 he's here today

00:12:48.900 we're gonna start by

00:12:50.020 asking you guys questions

00:12:50.820 right

00:12:51.020 we're gonna go in order

00:12:51.660 how I'm gonna do it

00:12:53.020 is the first topic

00:12:53.660 for example

00:12:54.160 we're gonna do

00:12:55.160 Kamala versus Trump

00:12:57.000 we're gonna start off with that

00:12:58.640 I'm gonna have

00:12:59.600 you guys all stay

00:13:01.220 who you guys

00:13:01.920 obviously

00:13:02.500 well you guys obviously

00:13:03.580 are a lot of you guys

00:13:04.060 say Kamala

00:13:04.520 tell us why

00:13:05.440 and then we're gonna give

00:13:06.780 you guys about

00:13:07.480 would you say 90 seconds

00:13:08.620 well I think

00:13:09.780 because we have everyone

00:13:10.940 in the panel

00:13:11.500 it seems like everybody

00:13:12.760 already knows what

00:13:13.880 we believe on these subjects

00:13:15.220 we can let Nick

00:13:16.240 give an opening statement

00:13:17.160 and then we'll just let

00:13:18.800 everybody respond like

00:13:20.060 well let's go in order

00:13:21.140 yeah I think

00:13:22.680 it could be free flowing

00:13:23.500 I think it'd be better

00:13:24.320 to go free flowing

00:13:25.420 to start

00:13:25.880 and then after 10 minutes

00:13:27.740 or so

00:13:27.980 then we could switch

00:13:28.680 to more in order

00:13:29.480 but because we're just starting

00:13:31.280 we're figuring everyone out

00:13:32.140 let's keep it free flowing

00:13:33.080 and then if it's too many

00:13:34.960 interruptions

00:13:35.420 then we'll have to

00:13:35.880 we'll step in

00:13:36.520 but let's do 10 minutes

00:13:38.060 free flowing

00:13:38.660 and then see how that goes

00:13:39.720 in there

00:13:39.940 and then adjust

00:13:40.580 with more time

00:13:41.400 I think to be easier

00:13:42.360 just raise your hand

00:13:43.060 if you want to speak

00:13:43.780 and kind of whoever

00:13:44.480 raised their hand

00:13:45.020 after Nick does

00:13:45.620 his little statement

00:13:46.220 you guys can go off

00:13:47.780 like that

00:13:48.120 it's just much easier

00:13:48.740 so you guys don't talk

00:13:49.280 to each other

00:13:49.620 yeah yeah

00:13:49.960 so Nick go ahead

00:13:50.740 and start it off

00:13:51.540 Trump versus Kamala

00:13:52.680 Nick I already know

00:13:53.480 how you feel about that

00:13:54.360 but you obviously

00:13:55.000 who would you prefer Nick

00:13:56.600 between the two

00:13:57.900 go ahead

00:13:58.600 sure well first

00:14:00.540 I just want to

00:14:01.220 introduce myself

00:14:02.280 for those that don't know

00:14:03.620 I'm Nick Fuentes

00:14:04.440 and I agree

00:14:06.120 I think it's going to be

00:14:06.860 a good debate

00:14:07.540 you know I'll keep it civil

00:14:09.480 and you know

00:14:10.560 we don't hate anybody

00:14:11.480 I'm glad

00:14:12.040 I forget who said it

00:14:13.620 but yeah I don't hate anybody

00:14:14.760 and I think we do

00:14:16.760 just have a difference

00:14:17.540 of opinion

00:14:18.040 it's fundamentally

00:14:18.900 just a different world view

00:14:20.080 people that are feminist

00:14:20.980 and people that are traditional

00:14:22.260 and I think they're

00:14:23.640 well the traditional viewpoint

00:14:25.320 is slandered

00:14:26.700 but it's been around

00:14:27.900 for thousands of years

00:14:28.840 so it's obviously valid

00:14:30.540 I think on that basis alone

00:14:31.920 but with regard to

00:14:33.840 Trump versus Kamala

00:14:34.860 I do have to put out

00:14:37.220 a disclosure at the beginning

00:14:38.240 I'm actually not going

00:14:39.620 to vote for Trump

00:14:41.160 but I do think that Trump

00:14:43.680 would be the better candidate

00:14:45.080 and you know people say

00:14:46.240 well how can that be

00:14:47.660 I talk about it a lot

00:14:49.120 on my show

00:14:49.740 but for the purpose

00:14:50.540 of the debate

00:14:51.120 let's just say

00:14:52.300 I'm defending Trump

00:14:53.240 I do think he'd be

00:14:54.040 the better president

00:14:54.840 and the biggest thing

00:14:57.360 I think that Trump represents

00:14:58.780 or what he represented

00:15:00.620 at one time

00:15:01.460 was national sovereignty

00:15:03.280 that's the biggest issue

00:15:04.360 that we have going on

00:15:05.400 which is that the people

00:15:06.760 of the country

00:15:07.460 are not in charge

00:15:08.440 of the country

00:15:09.420 when you look at

00:15:10.480 who's in charge

00:15:10.980 of the country

00:15:11.540 it is donors

00:15:13.020 it is elite media

00:15:14.140 lobbyists

00:15:14.920 people like that

00:15:15.800 and they've been pushing

00:15:17.240 a series of policies

00:15:18.460 I'm going to talk about

00:15:19.260 three specifically

00:15:20.120 that are destroying

00:15:21.360 the country

00:15:21.980 mass immigration

00:15:23.480 legal and illegal

00:15:25.060 free trade

00:15:26.220 which is the movement

00:15:27.300 of goods without tariffs

00:15:28.520 or duties

00:15:29.100 or anything like that

00:15:30.120 and foreign wars

00:15:31.520 nation building

00:15:32.340 and regime change

00:15:34.440 in foreign countries

00:15:35.340 those are the three pillars

00:15:36.480 of what he called

00:15:37.700 in 2016 globalism

00:15:39.260 and these are all policies

00:15:40.740 that enrich

00:15:41.560 the elite of the country

00:15:43.200 while they impoverish

00:15:44.760 and injure

00:15:45.300 the people of the country

00:15:46.820 and so for that reason

00:15:48.120 I'm defending

00:15:48.940 broadly speaking

00:15:49.860 Trump and his movement

00:15:50.980 insofar as he is defending

00:15:53.000 national sovereignty

00:15:54.240 and reversing

00:15:55.400 and dismantling globalism

00:15:56.740 cool perfect

00:15:58.040 let's start with

00:15:58.740 top left

00:15:59.480 your name is

00:16:00.620 Burnout

00:16:01.140 Burnout

00:16:01.460 we'll give you 30 seconds

00:16:02.540 and then we'll go around

00:16:03.280 30 second intro

00:16:03.980 for each one

00:16:04.540 Kamala versus Trump

00:16:05.400 and then we'll keep it

00:16:05.920 free flowing

00:16:06.300 Burnout

00:16:06.680 30 seconds

00:16:07.280 Kamala versus Trump

00:16:08.040 who do you prefer

00:16:08.560 I'm not gonna hold you guys

00:16:10.980 I prefer neither

00:16:11.840 based

00:16:13.920 I'm not gonna sit here

00:16:16.720 and be like

00:16:17.280 I'm gonna claim a team

00:16:18.760 I don't fuck with

00:16:20.280 what Kamala's on

00:16:21.520 am I allowed to curse

00:16:22.560 yes

00:16:23.640 you could say

00:16:24.440 I don't fuck with

00:16:25.700 what Trump is on

00:16:26.480 but if I had to

00:16:27.800 give an opinion

00:16:28.460 let's take a look

00:16:31.980 at the

00:16:32.220 both of the presidencies

00:16:33.940 what do we think

00:16:35.340 we achieve

00:16:36.120 where do we think

00:16:36.800 we achieve more

00:16:37.460 honestly

00:16:38.220 I'm gonna keep it

00:16:39.380 really real

00:16:39.980 and think

00:16:40.360 and say

00:16:41.300 that Kamala

00:16:41.900 really

00:16:42.320 I don't really see

00:16:43.200 what she did

00:16:43.680 other than getting

00:16:44.140 silk presses

00:16:44.840 I'm gonna keep

00:16:45.520 it a buck with you

00:16:46.120 I followed her career

00:16:47.500 before she became

00:16:49.040 vice president

00:16:49.600 he was doing

00:16:51.020 mass incarcerations

00:16:52.200 for

00:16:52.720 you know

00:16:53.500 weed

00:16:54.000 which was really

00:16:55.640 like

00:16:56.060 hype cast

00:16:56.940 we should really ask

00:16:57.560 who likes Kamala here

00:16:58.800 we were just trying

00:16:59.480 to reach that place

00:17:00.120 so you did what

00:17:01.300 you had to do

00:17:01.860 so I just feel like

00:17:03.280 when it comes to character

00:17:04.320 she's not trustworthy

00:17:06.220 when it comes to character

00:17:07.500 for Trump

00:17:08.120 definitely not trustworthy

00:17:09.300 but at least we know

00:17:10.240 he's like

00:17:10.760 who he is

00:17:11.740 and that's where I stand

00:17:13.520 the next one

00:17:15.860 blonde

00:17:17.280 heaven

00:17:17.980 heaven

00:17:18.220 heaven

00:17:18.980 heaven you're next

00:17:21.600 go ahead

00:17:22.480 okay

00:17:22.900 so

00:17:23.480 I personally

00:17:25.280 am going to be voting

00:17:27.700 for Kamala Harris

00:17:29.160 I'm not a fan of Trump

00:17:31.320 I don't feel like

00:17:32.640 he's qualified

00:17:33.420 to be president

00:17:34.640 Kamala however

00:17:36.780 she is qualified

00:17:37.900 to be president

00:17:38.820 I know she's had some

00:17:41.160 she's been a part

00:17:42.340 of some

00:17:42.820 controversial

00:17:44.820 like

00:17:46.500 topics

00:17:47.100 and policies

00:17:48.460 however I feel like

00:17:50.000 if we're

00:17:52.400 should Nick

00:17:52.840 go at her

00:17:53.640 or just go around first

00:17:54.600 go around

00:17:55.140 the things that she's done

00:17:56.600 I'm not basing

00:17:58.240 but if we're talking

00:17:58.840 about things that she's done

00:18:00.000 versus Trump

00:18:01.160 I would say

00:18:03.160 she's the lesser evil

00:18:05.340 in this conversation

00:18:06.900 great

00:18:07.280 all right

00:18:08.260 that's great

00:18:08.920 let's go

00:18:09.360 let's go next

00:18:10.020 yeah so they're both

00:18:12.300 pro-Israel

00:18:13.000 and I'm obviously

00:18:14.300 pro-Palestine

00:18:15.260 so neither are

00:18:16.480 ideal

00:18:16.980 but I truly feel like

00:18:18.380 there's no such thing

00:18:20.180 as somebody that can't be

00:18:21.400 like a good president

00:18:22.060 but obviously that I choose

00:18:23.400 I choose Kamala

00:18:24.200 Trump

00:18:25.500 I don't know

00:18:26.320 he made a statement

00:18:27.180 talking about like

00:18:28.440 you know

00:18:28.900 if he wins

00:18:29.960 or we'll never

00:18:30.800 have to vote again

00:18:31.540 and that just sounds

00:18:32.440 kind of terrifying to me

00:18:33.200 like is he just gonna

00:18:33.980 like be like

00:18:35.520 is it gonna be

00:18:36.040 North Korea here

00:18:36.760 or something

00:18:37.140 but yeah

00:18:38.220 and then also

00:18:38.660 the stuff with

00:18:39.420 Project 2025

00:18:40.180 seems kind of

00:18:41.860 terrifying

00:18:42.980 but yeah

00:18:43.400 I know we have to

00:18:43.820 keep pushing

00:18:44.140 so that's what

00:18:44.980 I have to say

00:18:45.380 okay

00:18:47.360 sweet

00:18:47.820 thank you

00:18:48.420 Isaac

00:18:49.560 yeah

00:18:52.220 so

00:18:52.760 I agree

00:18:54.760 with what the

00:18:55.260 previous people said

00:18:56.020 I do think Kamala Harris

00:18:57.160 does have a shady history

00:18:58.320 and I am pro-Palestine

00:19:00.020 as well

00:19:00.440 and I do not support

00:19:02.100 sending money

00:19:03.520 and ammunition

00:19:04.260 to Israel

00:19:05.020 however

00:19:05.820 I'm not a single issue

00:19:06.780 voter

00:19:07.120 and we

00:19:08.120 you know

00:19:08.620 we live in a

00:19:09.060 two-party system

00:19:09.860 you know

00:19:10.660 so we have to make

00:19:11.280 do what the cards

00:19:11.880 were dealt

00:19:12.340 and

00:19:12.920 since a third-party

00:19:14.400 candidate has no

00:19:15.160 chance of winning

00:19:15.780 we have to make

00:19:16.800 two binary choices

00:19:17.780 and I'm gonna go

00:19:18.580 with Kamala Harris

00:19:19.260 because

00:19:19.780 she is the lesser

00:19:20.860 of two evils

00:19:21.520 and I also think

00:19:22.300 Donald Trump

00:19:23.220 is the most dangerous

00:19:23.960 president in modern history

00:19:25.080 that's just my

00:19:26.500 personal opinion

00:19:27.280 but yeah

00:19:28.180 let's go to the

00:19:31.220 next

00:19:31.580 Jazz

00:19:32.780 oh

00:19:36.520 exactly

00:19:37.620 this is

00:19:40.440 yeah

00:19:41.560 you're muted

00:19:42.120 all right

00:19:44.680 should we just

00:19:45.060 kick her

00:19:45.380 it's just been

00:19:46.780 no no

00:19:47.100 it's not kick her

00:19:48.680 so

00:19:49.600 let her

00:19:50.000 let her fix it

00:19:53.000 that's not nice

00:19:53.900 that was sneaky

00:19:55.100 who said that

00:19:55.620 by the way

00:19:55.940 not Aiden Ross

00:19:56.620 go ahead

00:19:57.720 I feel like

00:19:59.580 that was a sneak

00:20:00.200 thing

00:20:00.640 well we're into

00:20:02.660 the debate

00:20:03.020 we should have

00:20:03.400 the technology

00:20:03.940 going but

00:20:04.320 Shiana 30 seconds

00:20:05.380 on Kamala

00:20:05.880 versus Trump

00:20:06.360 who do you prefer

00:20:06.840 I prefer Kamala

00:20:09.260 but I will say

00:20:10.460 this

00:20:10.900 about Trump

00:20:11.840 there's a lot

00:20:12.980 of people

00:20:13.340 who hate him

00:20:14.120 but there's also

00:20:15.180 a lot of people

00:20:15.580 who like him

00:20:16.440 who think

00:20:17.340 just like him

00:20:18.300 however

00:20:19.340 I do not agree

00:20:20.280 with both parties

00:20:21.080 when it comes

00:20:21.760 to immigration

00:20:22.960 I'm pro-Palestine

00:20:24.320 too as well

00:20:25.060 however

00:20:26.820 whoever was

00:20:28.540 going to be

00:20:28.900 the next president

00:20:29.620 of this country

00:20:30.860 regardless of

00:20:31.840 how we all feel

00:20:32.720 we're going to

00:20:34.000 forever fund

00:20:34.860 war

00:20:35.400 we're going to

00:20:36.160 forever fund

00:20:36.940 all these things

00:20:37.920 and the thing

00:20:39.620 that really bothers

00:20:40.640 me about Trump

00:20:41.420 is

00:20:41.880 is not the fact

00:20:43.260 that he can say

00:20:44.440 whatever he wants

00:20:45.060 it's the fact

00:20:45.460 that he can get

00:20:45.940 away with it

00:20:46.720 and that's not

00:20:48.620 something I approve

00:20:49.380 of that's not

00:20:49.980 something I would

00:20:51.200 want anybody

00:20:52.340 to look up

00:20:52.760 and be like

00:20:53.140 oh yeah

00:20:53.500 that's my

00:20:53.960 president right

00:20:54.420 there

00:20:54.660 I'll be ashamed

00:20:56.040 not for Kamala

00:20:58.040 I do not agree

00:20:58.860 how her upcoming

00:20:59.620 was it was

00:21:00.200 very shady

00:21:00.800 but however

00:21:02.020 I give credit

00:21:03.180 when credit is due

00:21:04.000 and damn

00:21:04.660 that lady

00:21:05.060 worked hard

00:21:05.580 to get there

00:21:06.200 okay

00:21:07.700 that's how I have

00:21:08.500 said

00:21:08.680 so you

00:21:09.000 okay

00:21:09.240 so okay

00:21:09.740 okay

00:21:10.140 got it

00:21:10.700 now a lot

00:21:11.520 of you guys

00:21:11.880 are you know

00:21:12.800 kind of going

00:21:13.460 off of

00:21:14.040 I'll be real

00:21:14.740 like you guys

00:21:15.360 are being up

00:21:15.680 front

00:21:15.820 I'll be up

00:21:16.160 front too

00:21:16.500 a lot of you

00:21:18.200 guys have the

00:21:18.860 same

00:21:19.140 some of the

00:21:19.680 same views

00:21:19.980 as Nick

00:21:20.840 when it comes

00:21:21.260 to this stuff

00:21:21.620 but I want to

00:21:22.760 ask you guys

00:21:22.980 a question

00:21:23.240 is there

00:21:23.480 anybody here

00:21:24.060 that genuinely

00:21:24.500 believes that

00:21:25.060 Donald Trump

00:21:25.440 is racist

00:21:25.940 and if you do

00:21:26.660 please raise

00:21:27.000 your hand

00:21:27.840 okay

00:21:31.280 so let's

00:21:31.880 I'm Asian

00:21:32.760 all the comments

00:21:33.560 he made

00:21:34.040 during COVID

00:21:34.880 we all know

00:21:35.540 I'm sure

00:21:35.880 the test

00:21:36.340 black jobs

00:21:37.140 okay

00:21:38.240 so Nick

00:21:39.280 is that a better

00:21:40.220 topic

00:21:40.660 let's discuss this

00:21:43.480 yeah

00:21:43.620 let's go free

00:21:44.040 for long

00:21:44.300 from this

00:21:44.700 sure

00:21:45.200 sure

00:21:45.220 yeah

00:21:45.540 that's

00:21:46.000 that's

00:21:46.340 fair

00:21:46.580 I guess

00:21:47.100 yeah

00:21:48.680 I mean

00:21:48.960 let's talk

00:21:49.480 about

00:21:49.740 Trump

00:21:50.020 being racist

00:21:50.840 I

00:21:51.240 if anything

00:21:53.440 I don't

00:21:53.780 think he's

00:21:54.080 racist

00:21:54.400 enough

00:21:54.900 that's my

00:21:55.740 opinion

00:21:56.040 but I have

00:21:56.960 a different

00:21:57.260 definition

00:21:57.740 of racism

00:21:58.400 than you

00:21:58.840 guys

00:21:59.180 let's just

00:22:00.220 be honest

00:22:00.800 Trump

00:22:01.840 is in

00:22:02.240 favor

00:22:02.640 of mass

00:22:04.100 immigration

00:22:04.620 Trump

00:22:05.540 changed

00:22:05.940 his policy

00:22:06.560 in June

00:22:07.200 and said

00:22:07.940 that he

00:22:08.140 wants to

00:22:08.540 staple green

00:22:09.220 cards

00:22:09.620 to the

00:22:09.960 diplomas

00:22:10.500 of every

00:22:11.140 foreign

00:22:11.520 student

00:22:11.900 that comes

00:22:12.340 to America

00:22:12.960 whether it's

00:22:13.460 a two-year

00:22:13.900 four-year

00:22:14.520 graduate

00:22:15.280 degree

00:22:15.660 doesn't

00:22:16.040 matter

00:22:16.380 all those

00:22:17.660 green cards

00:22:18.160 are coming

00:22:18.420 from non-white

00:22:19.020 countries

00:22:19.460 they're coming

00:22:19.840 from Pakistan

00:22:20.500 they're coming

00:22:20.980 from India

00:22:21.540 they're coming

00:22:21.980 from China

00:22:22.580 if you are

00:22:23.940 truly a racist

00:22:24.960 and you

00:22:25.540 and the thing

00:22:26.400 that you know

00:22:26.920 people that are

00:22:27.440 race conscious

00:22:28.120 or white

00:22:29.360 identitarian

00:22:30.280 what they deeply

00:22:30.980 care about

00:22:31.500 is the racial

00:22:32.140 makeup of the

00:22:32.860 country

00:22:33.260 you know

00:22:33.780 the most stark

00:22:34.620 thing that is

00:22:35.180 going on

00:22:35.660 in the history

00:22:36.160 of the United

00:22:36.620 States

00:22:36.980 right now

00:22:37.700 is that the

00:22:38.740 country was

00:22:39.600 90% white

00:22:41.040 and within 10

00:22:42.120 years it's going

00:22:42.780 to be 50%

00:22:43.660 white

00:22:44.020 that is a

00:22:45.220 massive change

00:22:46.380 with significant

00:22:47.240 effects

00:22:47.740 whether you think

00:22:48.240 it's good

00:22:48.620 bad

00:22:49.060 neutral

00:22:49.720 it's a huge

00:22:51.320 change

00:22:51.760 and it's happening

00:22:52.440 all over the world

00:22:53.300 and where does

00:22:54.280 Trump stand

00:22:54.880 on that issue

00:22:55.620 he is supporting

00:22:57.320 the demographic

00:22:58.080 transition

00:22:58.780 supporting a

00:23:00.320 less white

00:23:01.140 America

00:23:01.740 so you know

00:23:02.760 in that sense

00:23:03.200 I would also say

00:23:04.100 I mean look at the

00:23:04.660 people he surrounds

00:23:05.380 himself with

00:23:06.140 Tim Scott

00:23:07.460 from South Carolina

00:23:08.600 among others

00:23:09.800 if you looked

00:23:10.260 at the RNC

00:23:11.100 the first day

00:23:12.040 it was like

00:23:13.040 all black men

00:23:13.980 it was actually

00:23:15.260 notable

00:23:15.760 almost everybody

00:23:16.560 that went up

00:23:17.140 and spoke

00:23:17.580 on the stage

00:23:18.320 which he

00:23:19.100 I mean

00:23:19.860 he specifically

00:23:21.020 created the agenda

00:23:22.100 it's all black men

00:23:23.400 they gave a tribute

00:23:24.580 at the very end

00:23:25.380 to the

00:23:25.880 Sikh God

00:23:26.860 Waheguru

00:23:27.680 which I protested

00:23:29.460 as a traditional

00:23:30.000 Catholic

00:23:30.460 so I mean

00:23:31.660 you could give

00:23:32.180 like

00:23:32.420 a ton of reasons

00:23:34.240 but I think

00:23:35.500 he totally lacks

00:23:36.240 prejudice

00:23:36.620 I'll give one

00:23:37.640 other anecdote

00:23:38.160 I went to

00:23:39.000 Mar-a-Lago

00:23:39.560 with Kanye West

00:23:41.200 a couple years ago

00:23:42.240 and Trump was

00:23:43.800 nothing but nice

00:23:45.220 still has not

00:23:46.520 disavowed him

00:23:47.280 to this day

00:23:48.020 if anything

00:23:49.020 stood by him

00:23:50.320 even though he was

00:23:50.920 cancelled and said

00:23:51.760 he's a good guy

00:23:52.660 but misunderstood

00:23:53.480 but he has a good heart

00:23:54.540 which is how I see him

00:23:55.780 so I think that

00:23:57.800 there's not a racist

00:23:58.640 bone in his body

00:23:59.420 although sometimes

00:24:00.160 I wish he was

00:24:00.720 even a little bit

00:24:01.520 more race conscious

00:24:02.240 than he is

00:24:02.820 so that's what I would say

00:24:03.940 that sounds great

00:24:05.200 we'll let everyone

00:24:05.900 disagree

00:24:06.300 you can raise your hand

00:24:06.960 but first

00:24:07.360 Jazz

00:24:07.920 if you could

00:24:08.460 let's see your mic

00:24:09.200 one more time

00:24:09.580 you still haven't spoke

00:24:10.240 does it work

00:24:11.380 yes it works now

00:24:12.140 thank you

00:24:12.540 so burnout

00:24:13.200 why do you think

00:24:14.200 that Nick is wrong

00:24:15.320 just guys

00:24:15.940 raise your hand

00:24:16.580 and burnout

00:24:17.160 raise your hand first

00:24:17.840 I would like to ask him

00:24:18.780 a question

00:24:19.380 like what is your

00:24:20.540 definition of racism

00:24:21.740 it's a good question

00:24:23.520 I mean that's the

00:24:24.100 important definition

00:24:25.080 you know me

00:24:26.420 I see myself

00:24:27.660 as a racialist

00:24:28.860 I think that race

00:24:29.900 is real

00:24:30.440 I think that we have

00:24:31.560 to grapple with it

00:24:32.480 you know people

00:24:33.120 are tribal

00:24:33.720 so I guess

00:24:35.340 the working definition

00:24:36.360 would be

00:24:37.240 you know race

00:24:38.360 based hatred

00:24:39.120 does he hate people

00:24:40.420 or have prejudice

00:24:41.300 for people

00:24:41.860 based on their race

00:24:42.860 would be my

00:24:43.800 definition

00:24:44.380 the next question is

00:24:46.520 do you think

00:24:48.180 your definition

00:24:49.000 of racism

00:24:49.760 applies universally

00:24:51.260 to everyone

00:24:52.060 especially

00:24:52.640 the people

00:24:53.880 who are at the

00:24:55.020 will

00:24:56.120 like the hand

00:24:57.000 of racism

00:24:57.680 like the

00:24:59.100 oppressed

00:25:00.060 or the oppressors

00:25:01.760 and do you think

00:25:02.520 racism

00:25:03.020 is an oppressive

00:25:04.360 institution

00:25:05.260 or do you just think

00:25:06.500 oh

00:25:06.880 racism is

00:25:08.000 hating

00:25:08.660 on people

00:25:09.600 well the definition

00:25:11.820 is totally subjective

00:25:12.900 I think it's a very

00:25:13.840 ambiguous word

00:25:14.780 I mean what

00:25:15.280 what does racism

00:25:16.340 mean

00:25:16.640 does it mean

00:25:17.040 you believe

00:25:17.520 that race

00:25:18.040 is a determinative

00:25:19.040 factor

00:25:19.540 or do you think

00:25:20.100 that you know

00:25:21.540 like left wing

00:25:22.240 people do

00:25:22.660 I imagine you do

00:25:23.620 based on what

00:25:24.180 you're saying

00:25:24.640 that race

00:25:25.360 is you know

00:25:27.120 one of these

00:25:27.560 categories

00:25:28.100 that's used

00:25:28.600 to oppress

00:25:29.080 people

00:25:29.580 it's totally

00:25:30.420 subjective

00:25:30.960 and that's why

00:25:31.620 we have to meet

00:25:32.300 on the definitions

00:25:33.140 but no

00:25:33.820 I don't believe

00:25:35.040 I mean what

00:25:36.920 exactly is the

00:25:37.580 question

00:25:37.860 people disagree

00:25:38.820 about what

00:25:39.420 racism means

00:25:40.320 absolutely

00:25:40.880 okay

00:25:41.920 universally

00:25:42.900 I would say

00:25:44.040 racism

00:25:44.620 is

00:25:46.480 the

00:25:47.040 institutionalized

00:25:48.640 practice

00:25:49.540 of putting

00:25:50.900 a

00:25:51.300 marginalized

00:25:53.320 people

00:25:53.740 down

00:25:54.580 and keeping

00:25:55.120 them down

00:25:55.800 whether it's

00:25:57.580 thoughts

00:25:58.340 whether it's

00:25:59.340 speech

00:26:00.000 whether it's

00:26:01.300 being rejected

00:26:02.320 from a job

00:26:03.200 because

00:26:03.780 how you look

00:26:05.260 your skin

00:26:05.780 color

00:26:06.140 so anything

00:26:07.180 that has to

00:26:07.720 do with your

00:26:08.120 skin color

00:26:08.700 and you being

00:26:09.680 rejected

00:26:10.340 or dejected

00:26:11.160 or objectified

00:26:12.580 or subjectified

00:26:14.200 is the

00:26:15.140 definition of

00:26:16.160 racism

00:26:16.560 to me

00:26:17.300 and I think

00:26:17.940 that

00:26:18.280 from multiple

00:26:19.800 studies

00:26:20.320 and just

00:26:20.920 living real

00:26:21.400 life

00:26:21.760 a lot of

00:26:22.640 people will

00:26:22.980 agree with

00:26:23.320 that

00:26:23.540 so it's

00:26:25.400 just

00:26:25.600 it's not

00:26:26.100 as light

00:26:26.660 as you're

00:26:27.160 trying to

00:26:27.580 make it

00:26:27.900 seem

00:26:28.220 it's not

00:26:29.360 that at

00:26:29.680 all

00:26:29.880 and I

00:26:30.400 would consider

00:26:30.920 Donald Trump

00:26:32.320 to sit

00:26:32.680 under the

00:26:33.080 umbrella

00:26:33.460 of being

00:26:34.000 racist

00:26:34.480 just because

00:26:36.860 of how

00:26:37.160 he moves

00:26:37.860 his policies

00:26:38.720 what he

00:26:39.620 how he

00:26:40.240 deals with

00:26:40.860 people of

00:26:41.480 the opposite

00:26:42.240 race or

00:26:43.160 anybody that

00:26:43.820 is not

00:26:44.340 similar to

00:26:45.160 him

00:26:45.480 like who

00:26:46.340 can you

00:26:46.580 give an

00:26:46.820 example

00:26:47.240 um

00:26:49.220 anyone

00:26:50.800 look how

00:26:51.600 he talks

00:26:51.940 about

00:26:52.140 kamala

00:26:52.520 looks

00:26:53.020 how

00:26:53.180 he

00:26:53.480 talks

00:26:54.280 about

00:26:54.540 the

00:26:54.720 african

00:26:55.100 american

00:26:56.120 community

00:26:58.060 it's not

00:26:59.700 from a

00:27:00.900 place of

00:27:01.420 understanding

00:27:02.140 or

00:27:03.160 relation

00:27:03.960 it's

00:27:04.680 an

00:27:05.100 outside

00:27:05.600 observation

00:27:06.280 from

00:27:06.900 generalized

00:27:07.620 views

00:27:09.300 that are

00:27:10.620 just

00:27:10.900 stereotypical

00:27:11.900 really

00:27:12.200 because

00:27:12.580 have you

00:27:13.240 seen him

00:27:13.700 really

00:27:14.220 be

00:27:14.900 in

00:27:15.940 close

00:27:16.880 contact

00:27:17.340 with

00:27:17.520 anyone

00:27:17.880 who

00:27:18.100 is

00:27:18.280 actually

00:27:18.940 someone

00:27:19.280 who

00:27:19.500 is

00:27:19.660 a

00:27:19.900 clear

00:27:20.260 representation

00:27:20.760 of being

00:27:21.480 an african-american

00:27:22.480 person or a

00:27:23.260 person of another race

00:27:24.200 where he can sit down

00:27:25.480 and they'll be like

00:27:26.220 cool and not

00:27:28.280 have any type of

00:27:29.380 controversy

00:27:29.880 yeah

00:27:31.200 yeah

00:27:31.560 he

00:27:31.800 ben carson

00:27:32.700 was in his

00:27:33.160 cabinet

00:27:33.560 tim scott

00:27:34.360 was being

00:27:34.800 considered

00:27:35.200 for vp

00:27:36.100 one other

00:27:39.240 thing

00:27:39.640 real quick

00:27:40.540 real quick

00:27:41.180 nick

00:27:41.580 sorry

00:27:41.920 but isaac

00:27:42.620 you wanted

00:27:42.940 you were raising

00:27:43.440 your hand

00:27:43.720 for a while

00:27:44.000 i want to

00:27:44.260 i want to

00:27:44.540 get to

00:27:44.760 you isaac

00:27:45.160 what do

00:27:45.700 you have

00:27:45.880 to say

00:27:46.140 to that

00:27:46.400 and tell

00:27:46.760 me why

00:27:47.020 you think

00:27:47.300 trump

00:27:47.540 is a

00:27:47.760 racist

00:27:48.120 yeah

00:27:49.840 so so

00:27:50.620 i think

00:27:51.480 nick is really

00:27:52.600 good at

00:27:52.900 verbalizing his

00:27:53.460 points to

00:27:53.940 make it seem

00:27:54.720 like he really

00:27:55.680 knows what

00:27:55.980 he's talking

00:27:56.320 about but

00:27:56.940 racism

00:27:57.780 the word

00:27:58.640 is not

00:27:58.920 subjective

00:27:59.380 it's

00:27:59.680 the inherent

00:28:00.300 um superiority

00:28:02.020 complex to

00:28:02.980 another race

00:28:03.660 um there's

00:28:05.060 this clear

00:28:06.060 cut and dry

00:28:06.660 and i do

00:28:07.600 believe trump

00:28:08.060 is a racist

00:28:08.600 because um

00:28:09.760 he had a

00:28:10.100 civil case

00:28:10.760 you know

00:28:11.280 back in the

00:28:11.980 day because

00:28:12.480 he refused

00:28:13.020 to rent to

00:28:13.600 black people

00:28:14.440 in his

00:28:14.700 properties

00:28:15.120 you know

00:28:16.120 he called

00:28:16.500 for the

00:28:16.820 you know

00:28:17.200 the execution

00:28:18.080 he's ruining

00:28:19.640 my fucking

00:28:20.020 shit

00:28:20.280 he had the

00:28:20.800 birther

00:28:21.060 conspiracy

00:28:21.640 these are

00:28:22.380 things that

00:28:22.720 have been

00:28:22.900 around for

00:28:23.320 years

00:28:23.660 well-documented

00:28:24.480 cases of

00:28:25.100 racism

00:28:25.460 um so i

00:28:27.200 think the

00:28:27.640 reason you're

00:28:28.160 saying he's not

00:28:28.640 racist

00:28:29.020 racist

00:28:29.640 because you

00:28:30.200 have a

00:28:30.500 clear

00:28:30.880 misunderstanding

00:28:32.120 of what

00:28:32.600 racism is

00:28:33.380 but your

00:28:34.400 opinion is

00:28:34.880 not shared

00:28:35.280 by most

00:28:35.740 of the

00:28:36.380 world

00:28:36.560 especially

00:28:36.860 people who

00:28:37.520 who face

00:28:38.360 racism

00:28:38.780 like okay

00:28:40.200 do you a lot

00:28:40.900 of conservatives

00:28:41.360 like to talk

00:28:41.940 about like

00:28:42.540 white racism

00:28:44.020 so once you

00:28:44.960 agree that white

00:28:45.580 people are

00:28:45.940 discriminated against

00:28:46.680 because they're

00:28:47.120 white or is

00:28:48.160 that not

00:28:48.760 happening

00:28:49.100 yeah absolutely

00:28:50.040 yeah you

00:28:50.600 believe in

00:28:51.000 racism then

00:28:51.600 but only for

00:28:52.880 your own

00:28:53.200 people

00:28:53.500 so i

00:28:54.840 think that

00:28:55.220 well again

00:28:56.000 what is the

00:28:56.560 definition of

00:28:57.340 if the

00:28:58.040 definition of

00:28:58.820 racism

00:28:59.340 as burnout

00:29:00.940 said is uh

00:29:02.820 the systematic

00:29:03.620 oppression of a

00:29:04.840 person based on

00:29:05.640 race um you

00:29:07.720 know then you

00:29:08.300 would disagree

00:29:08.980 you would disagree

00:29:10.000 that white people

00:29:10.660 are discriminated

00:29:11.340 against right

00:29:12.000 if white people

00:29:13.140 are oppressors

00:29:13.760 individual

00:29:14.460 there's individual

00:29:15.420 racism that's

00:29:16.180 like a thought

00:29:16.800 you see somebody

00:29:17.900 outside

00:29:18.420 so what is the

00:29:19.960 definition then

00:29:20.740 you're you're

00:29:21.340 making the case

00:29:21.980 that it's it's

00:29:22.660 very clear cut

00:29:23.380 and there's no

00:29:23.800 ambiguity but

00:29:24.560 clearly there's

00:29:26.020 disagreement on

00:29:26.660 this panel

00:29:27.180 between you and

00:29:28.460 burnout even

00:29:29.260 prejudice would be

00:29:31.160 what the word

00:29:31.780 you're looking for

00:29:32.500 not racism

00:29:33.500 prejudice

00:29:34.780 discrimination

00:29:36.780 but when it

00:29:37.600 comes to like

00:29:38.120 racism is race

00:29:39.400 based discrimination

00:29:40.400 and prejudice

00:29:40.980 there's individual

00:29:42.000 racism that's

00:29:43.060 where somebody

00:29:43.560 sees another

00:29:44.140 person of another

00:29:45.040 race and they

00:29:46.160 you know

00:29:46.540 subconsciously do

00:29:47.360 not like them

00:29:48.000 and there's

00:29:48.660 institutional

00:29:49.360 or systemic

00:29:50.080 racism where

00:29:51.040 there are

00:29:51.660 foundations in

00:29:52.340 place to

00:29:53.280 keep people of

00:29:54.420 color down

00:29:54.980 i think you're

00:29:55.900 looking at it

00:29:56.320 from a very

00:29:56.780 narrow-minded

00:29:57.400 lens but

00:29:58.580 um i could

00:29:59.960 experience like

00:30:00.560 i could show

00:30:01.180 individual racism

00:30:02.140 towards you

00:30:02.820 a white person

00:30:03.700 however i can't

00:30:05.680 show any

00:30:06.160 institutional racism

00:30:07.280 towards you

00:30:07.740 because i'm not

00:30:08.180 in that position

00:30:08.700 of power to do

00:30:09.740 that to you

00:30:10.260 you understand

00:30:11.440 yeah i don't

00:30:14.040 are we debating

00:30:14.780 whether trump

00:30:15.360 is a racist

00:30:15.940 are we debating

00:30:16.600 whether the

00:30:17.120 definition of

00:30:17.860 racism is

00:30:18.580 universal

00:30:19.100 because i

00:30:19.680 think there's

00:30:20.260 a lot of

00:30:20.640 disagreement

00:30:21.000 that's the

00:30:27.060 you know

00:30:27.780 like i said

00:30:28.440 i think you're

00:30:29.040 you're more

00:30:29.480 arguing whether

00:30:30.280 there's an

00:30:31.160 objective definition

00:30:32.260 let's let's just

00:30:33.100 agree on what

00:30:34.320 we're talking

00:30:34.840 about you know

00:30:36.240 so your argument

00:30:37.360 is trump is

00:30:38.560 discriminating on

00:30:40.400 people on the

00:30:40.980 basis of race

00:30:42.000 as in the case

00:30:42.940 of central park

00:30:44.240 five and the

00:30:44.840 birther conspiracy

00:30:45.660 is that right

00:30:46.320 that would be

00:30:47.700 correct yes

00:30:48.280 okay so

00:30:49.200 well i mean

00:30:49.920 my pushback

00:30:50.640 would be you

00:30:51.620 know having

00:30:52.040 met the man

00:30:52.820 and and again

00:30:53.560 just seeing him

00:30:54.240 with black

00:30:54.840 people would

00:30:55.520 somebody that

00:30:56.360 has racial

00:30:57.260 hatred or

00:30:58.000 discriminates or

00:30:58.960 prejudice against

00:30:59.800 black people

00:31:00.500 appoint black

00:31:01.580 people in his

00:31:02.100 cabinet past

00:31:03.240 the first step

00:31:03.980 act commute

00:31:05.520 the sentences

00:31:06.180 of many black

00:31:07.140 felons who

00:31:07.920 had a peaceful

00:31:09.220 drug charge

00:31:10.180 and hang on

00:31:11.480 once that

00:31:11.860 one more

00:31:12.200 thing and

00:31:12.860 secured the

00:31:13.320 release of

00:31:14.020 lavar ball

00:31:14.820 kodak black

00:31:15.820 i think there

00:31:16.340 was one other

00:31:16.860 rapper in

00:31:17.600 norway or

00:31:18.560 sweden who

00:31:19.240 was uh

00:31:19.920 who was released

00:31:20.560 from prison

00:31:21.060 i mean so i

00:31:22.020 think when you

00:31:22.420 put all that

00:31:22.900 together i

00:31:23.580 don't think

00:31:24.000 someone who

00:31:24.360 was like a

00:31:24.740 white supremacist

00:31:25.600 would be

00:31:26.020 interested in

00:31:26.960 any of that

00:31:27.420 christine let's

00:31:28.160 uh you

00:31:28.520 christine raise

00:31:29.200 her hand

00:31:29.420 what's your

00:31:29.920 response to

00:31:30.320 that

00:31:30.480 can i

00:31:31.360 go

00:31:31.600 yeah christine

00:31:32.720 the asian

00:31:33.100 girl none

00:31:33.500 of that was

00:31:34.260 helpful to

00:31:34.920 the black

00:31:35.560 community in

00:31:36.440 any way

00:31:37.420 none of

00:31:37.820 those people

00:31:38.380 are helpful

00:31:39.540 to the black

00:31:40.040 community in

00:31:40.940 any type of

00:31:42.340 way or fashion

00:31:43.240 he did that

00:31:44.360 as a strategy

00:31:45.540 of course he's

00:31:47.060 going to move

00:31:47.720 strategically the

00:31:49.600 people who are

00:31:50.700 those are fans

00:31:53.080 or who pay

00:31:54.040 attention to the

00:31:54.800 people you named

00:31:55.740 don't really think

00:31:57.540 for themselves

00:31:58.420 they're very much

00:32:00.120 cheap and he's

00:32:03.660 gonna do anything

00:32:04.440 for the black

00:32:05.080 vote we've seen

00:32:06.040 that time and

00:32:06.660 time again

00:32:07.260 we've seen

00:32:08.240 that time

00:32:08.780 from not

00:32:09.400 even talking

00:32:09.900 about trump

00:32:10.500 from anybody

00:32:12.240 christine you

00:32:12.880 raised your

00:32:13.260 hand

00:32:13.440 yes i just

00:32:15.460 wanted to say

00:32:16.040 i don't i

00:32:17.600 just don't i

00:32:18.320 think there are

00:32:18.820 levels to racism

00:32:19.800 okay i know

00:32:21.060 many of people

00:32:22.000 know many of

00:32:22.920 people well i i'm

00:32:24.300 white but i have

00:32:24.720 black friends so

00:32:25.200 i'm not racist

00:32:25.760 okay but so

00:32:28.240 him like you

00:32:29.320 know calling the

00:32:30.860 china virus and

00:32:31.700 like things like

00:32:32.100 that so what is

00:32:32.540 that is that like

00:32:33.120 calling people so

00:32:33.820 is it just like

00:32:34.580 comedy it's just

00:32:35.360 funny it's not

00:32:35.980 racist

00:32:36.460 wasn't it just

00:32:38.040 descriptive i mean

00:32:38.980 the virus did come

00:32:40.000 from china

00:32:40.600 you're not wrong

00:32:43.040 okay

00:32:44.640 i agree he's not

00:32:48.940 a kkk member

00:32:50.280 he's not like a

00:32:52.160 white supremacist

00:32:53.040 but yeah like

00:32:53.820 obviously something

00:32:54.460 that he says

00:32:54.960 some people are

00:32:55.880 going to conceive

00:32:56.460 as problematic

00:32:57.340 and racist but

00:32:58.400 yes he can have

00:32:59.200 black friends but

00:32:59.800 he can still be

00:33:00.940 racist but i would

00:33:02.160 just argue is i'm

00:33:04.320 more conservative

00:33:05.060 than him on race

00:33:06.160 i'm far more

00:33:06.920 conservative than

00:33:07.680 him on race and

00:33:08.520 i i view him

00:33:09.440 authentically as

00:33:10.460 someone who does

00:33:11.200 not have racial

00:33:11.960 prejudice i mean

00:33:12.700 you got to

00:33:13.080 consider he's a

00:33:13.660 new yorker i mean

00:33:14.380 he grew up with

00:33:15.220 jews who are an

00:33:17.080 ethnic minority he

00:33:18.480 grew up in a very

00:33:19.060 diverse city he did

00:33:20.360 business with a lot

00:33:21.080 of different kinds of

00:33:21.860 people and even with

00:33:22.940 regard to china he

00:33:24.580 had a good

00:33:24.960 relationship with the

00:33:26.040 country of china he

00:33:27.040 respected their

00:33:27.760 leaders i mean he

00:33:28.920 said that when i was

00:33:29.800 with him at the

00:33:30.280 dinner he said we had a

00:33:31.020 great relationship but

00:33:31.900 we respected each

00:33:32.660 other and so on uh

00:33:34.040 they had um mitch

00:33:35.140 mcconnell's wife who

00:33:36.120 is uh chinese she

00:33:37.760 was the secretary

00:33:38.420 of transportation i

00:33:39.360 believe it was in

00:33:40.060 the cabinet so it

00:33:41.180 was a diverse cabinet

00:33:42.120 it was a diverse

00:33:42.940 white house you know

00:33:44.260 and and you can argue

00:33:45.180 well he's cynically

00:33:46.960 doing these things to

00:33:48.100 win the non-white vote

00:33:50.020 you know well if you

00:33:51.680 argue that everything

00:33:52.500 he does and it is in

00:33:53.480 bad faith you're sort

00:33:54.480 of arguing that you

00:33:55.220 know what's in his

00:33:55.880 heart all we can go

00:33:57.200 by is the outward

00:33:58.040 expression what does he

00:33:59.120 do what does he say

00:34:00.140 based on what he

00:34:01.020 says and does does

00:34:02.280 not appear to be a

00:34:03.040 racialist um does not

00:34:04.780 appear to be a racist

00:34:05.760 they're like a

00:34:07.080 president has a duty

00:34:07.840 to be president for

00:34:08.720 all americans so of

00:34:09.640 course he's going to

00:34:10.100 be diplomatic when it

00:34:11.020 comes to race but i

00:34:12.180 don't think that's a

00:34:12.760 reflection of how he

00:34:13.660 feels inside the same

00:34:15.060 way you're saying we

00:34:15.940 can't go off of you

00:34:17.100 know because we don't

00:34:17.660 know how he's feeling

00:34:18.200 inside you don't know

00:34:18.860 how he's feeling inside

00:34:19.740 either um so i do go

00:34:22.360 by actions and he has

00:34:23.280 many racist actions in

00:34:24.340 the past but just

00:34:25.340 because he wasn't you

00:34:26.620 know he was trying to

00:34:28.280 get to the the people

00:34:29.340 of color's votes

00:34:30.120 during his presidency

00:34:31.080 that's what a

00:34:32.180 president is supposed

00:34:33.500 to do they're

00:34:34.040 conditioned to reach

00:34:35.060 out to as many

00:34:35.560 people as possible

00:34:36.340 that doesn't mean

00:34:37.200 he's not racist just

00:34:38.080 because he's doing

00:34:38.860 something that

00:34:39.760 politicians are really

00:34:41.000 good at doing

00:34:41.420 reaching out to

00:34:42.360 people that's my two

00:34:43.740 cents yeah i don't

00:34:46.200 know i i just um

00:34:47.360 the thing is when it

00:34:48.380 comes to deeds and

00:34:49.300 actions they that's

00:34:50.840 the indicator that's

00:34:51.700 what we can look at

00:34:52.480 and you know it's

00:34:53.260 like you said the

00:34:54.100 ones that appear

00:34:55.000 racist you say well

00:34:56.100 that's indicative he's

00:34:56.960 racist the ones that

00:34:58.400 appear that he's not

00:34:59.260 racist they say well

00:35:00.340 that's just dishonest

00:35:01.760 it's it's a lie so

00:35:03.040 it's kind of like you're

00:35:03.680 picking and choosing the

00:35:04.660 things that that are

00:35:05.680 guilty well that's

00:35:07.060 definitive the things

00:35:07.900 that prove he's not

00:35:08.520 guilty well we can't

00:35:09.980 there's no credibility

00:35:10.920 we can't trust that

00:35:11.940 and i would just say

00:35:13.400 you know with regard to

00:35:14.880 trump altogether um

00:35:17.140 i also don't even think

00:35:18.780 it really matters that

00:35:20.220 much i mean because if

00:35:21.400 we're saying for the

00:35:22.220 sake of argument let's

00:35:23.220 say he is just putting

00:35:24.220 on this big display and

00:35:25.500 big show you say well

00:35:26.800 that's his job to be

00:35:27.720 diplomatic well then

00:35:29.540 was he not diplomatic

00:35:30.740 i mean was he not i

00:35:32.260 mean for example

00:35:32.920 something like with the

00:35:33.760 birther conspiracy i

00:35:35.640 don't think there's

00:35:36.140 anything necessarily

00:35:37.020 racist about that they

00:35:38.340 didn't say that obama

00:35:39.300 wasn't born here because

00:35:40.480 he was black they said

00:35:41.840 he wasn't born here

00:35:42.700 because he didn't live

00:35:44.040 in america for his

00:35:45.000 childhood and i think

00:35:46.840 there are a lot of

00:35:47.560 legitimate questions about

00:35:48.880 where this guy even came

00:35:50.220 from he lived in

00:35:50.940 indonesia his father was

00:35:52.280 from kenya i mean

00:35:53.500 there's questions about

00:35:54.380 ted cruz he raised the

00:35:55.500 same issue about ted

00:35:56.500 cruz because he was

00:35:58.000 born in canada and

00:35:59.200 wasn't born on the

00:36:00.000 land ted cruz i mean

00:36:01.780 he's cuban but by all

00:36:02.960 appearances he's white

00:36:03.980 does that make trump a

00:36:05.960 racist against cubans i

00:36:07.240 think it's a legitimate

00:36:07.880 question uh with

00:36:09.340 regard to the central

00:36:10.020 part five they're guilty

00:36:11.120 you know let's just be

00:36:12.560 honest they they got

00:36:13.740 they got off but they

00:36:15.100 were guilty

00:36:15.660 that's misinformation

00:36:17.220 that is misinformation

00:36:18.660 actually yes this is

00:36:22.280 misinformation you look

00:36:22.960 into the case it's just

00:36:23.980 true

00:36:24.120 the one getting released

00:36:26.440 because all of it was

00:36:27.560 live

00:36:28.000 yeah they got let off but

00:36:30.560 they were all guilty

00:36:31.400 okay what happens do you

00:36:33.400 have to back up that claim

00:36:34.600 yeah

00:36:35.380 i don't want to do a

00:36:37.060 debate about the central

00:36:37.960 part five

00:36:38.520 if you look into it

00:36:43.200 regurgitating things that

00:36:45.120 you haven't really looked

00:36:46.120 into

00:36:46.540 if you look into it

00:36:48.240 you'll find they were

00:36:48.840 guilty

00:36:49.240 okay can you please just

00:36:50.320 elaborate

00:36:50.680 i honestly want to hear

00:36:51.900 no please elaborate

00:36:52.780 i would like to see

00:36:53.920 yes

00:36:54.300 because

00:36:55.740 i'm really not interested

00:36:58.440 in debating the central

00:36:59.380 part five

00:37:00.100 if you want to say

00:37:00.960 that's racism

00:37:01.720 i'll concede that

00:37:03.640 and we could say

00:37:04.300 that's racist

00:37:04.980 it's okay but you got

00:37:06.680 to be accountable

00:37:07.280 okay let's move on

00:37:08.540 to the subject

00:37:09.260 i think that we

00:37:10.260 covered

00:37:10.640 hold on you can hear

00:37:12.320 correct i think that we

00:37:13.140 covered racism

00:37:13.820 let's move back on to

00:37:15.200 feminism okay

00:37:16.120 i think we covered if

00:37:17.480 trump is racist or not

00:37:18.320 let's start with nick

00:37:19.580 i'll give you uh one

00:37:20.600 minute

00:37:20.860 if you can answer

00:37:22.180 should women vote

00:37:23.260 no absolutely not

00:37:26.380 women should not vote

00:37:27.480 we should repeal the

00:37:28.380 19th amendment

00:37:29.160 we should take it away

00:37:30.840 they vote for the wrong

00:37:31.900 candidate every single

00:37:32.920 time

00:37:33.300 every single time the

00:37:34.340 women vote

00:37:34.840 democrat they vote for

00:37:36.260 the wrong person

00:37:37.140 they vote for more

00:37:38.860 spending

00:37:39.460 um well but above all

00:37:41.560 else i think that

00:37:42.660 women we have to look

00:37:44.400 at voting as a position

00:37:45.540 of governance

00:37:46.140 if you're casting a

00:37:47.280 vote you're determining

00:37:48.360 who should be in the

00:37:49.080 government in the

00:37:50.160 government and i don't

00:37:51.140 think that women should

00:37:51.780 be in the business of

00:37:52.560 government at all i think

00:37:53.640 that government and

00:37:54.560 leadership is a domain

00:37:55.580 of men and i think

00:37:57.380 honestly very few people

00:37:59.140 should vote all together

00:38:00.260 i think that it's not

00:38:01.200 just exclusive to women

00:38:02.360 i think that people that

00:38:03.540 have only been in the

00:38:04.220 country for a generation

00:38:05.280 or two shouldn't vote

00:38:06.280 i think people that

00:38:07.200 are indigent

00:38:07.700 shouldn't vote

00:38:08.360 i think that young

00:38:09.420 people shouldn't vote

00:38:10.340 i think probably people

00:38:11.200 that don't own anything

00:38:12.040 shouldn't vote

00:38:12.720 and i think um you know

00:38:14.240 we should get back to a

00:38:15.140 system where a vote is

00:38:16.380 cast really as a

00:38:18.100 representation

00:38:18.680 i think the vote should

00:38:20.220 be cast by the head of a

00:38:21.260 household

00:38:21.600 i think that if a woman

00:38:23.640 gets married her political

00:38:25.720 expression is represented

00:38:27.680 in the vote of her

00:38:28.520 husband in the vote of

00:38:29.720 the head of the

00:38:30.260 household i don't think

00:38:31.480 that it's women's

00:38:32.300 position uh to be in

00:38:34.000 leadership over men

00:38:35.140 over society um and i

00:38:37.620 think that uh it's it's

00:38:39.020 completely outside their

00:38:39.920 domain so i don't think

00:38:40.660 they should vote at all

00:38:41.400 and i think the evidence

00:38:42.160 is clear i mean ever

00:38:43.060 since they got the right

00:38:43.840 to vote it's been all

00:38:44.560 downhill burnout you want

00:38:46.140 to respond

00:38:46.560 do you want me to

00:38:49.220 respond no i'm kidding

00:38:49.960 i will actually um i

00:38:53.260 just want to ask a

00:38:54.100 question to lead you to

00:38:55.180 a point being in a

00:38:57.500 state of where we are

00:38:59.620 in this country knowing

00:39:01.700 that nothing but men

00:39:05.100 have president this

00:39:07.100 country you think that

00:39:09.660 women shouldn't have a

00:39:11.540 chance to run it you

00:39:12.680 think you're doing an

00:39:13.360 amazing job

00:39:14.140 yep 100 are you are

00:39:17.460 you here for the

00:39:18.520 progressiveness of the

00:39:19.860 country are you here to

00:39:21.140 stick to the cookie

00:39:21.900 cutter um you know

00:39:24.700 average white male

00:39:26.960 leading the world type of

00:39:28.100 vibe

00:39:28.460 totally average white male

00:39:30.580 leading the world i

00:39:31.400 well i think we should

00:39:31.980 have exceptional white

00:39:32.900 males leading the world

00:39:33.920 i think the world was a

00:39:34.780 great place when we had

00:39:36.200 more of that the more

00:39:37.240 we get away from that

00:39:38.120 the worst things seem to

00:39:39.840 get i think white men

00:39:41.140 should be back in charge

00:39:42.440 but that's another debate

00:39:43.740 i think women should

00:39:44.740 definitely not be in

00:39:45.720 charge i feel like i'm

00:39:48.160 not trying to generalize

00:39:49.220 but i feel like that

00:39:50.240 demographic causes more

00:39:51.780 harm to the country than

00:39:52.920 they ever did good and

00:39:54.760 that's i disagree that's

00:39:56.700 like from like something

00:39:57.780 as minuscule as a school

00:39:59.520 shooting

00:40:00.020 yeah but we invented

00:40:02.720 everything

00:40:03.120 in charge

00:40:04.480 like come on

00:40:05.380 you said women vote for

00:40:07.020 the wrong

00:40:08.220 wrong candidate

00:40:09.560 so why are you the

00:40:11.340 arbiter of what's

00:40:12.100 considered a wrong

00:40:12.960 candidate

00:40:13.400 you do know that the

00:40:14.780 same wrong candidates

00:40:15.820 that you're talking

00:40:16.620 about men vote for

00:40:17.920 them as well

00:40:18.540 yeah i know

00:40:19.800 and all these things

00:40:20.400 i know you said like

00:40:21.300 some mentioned vote too

00:40:22.280 but if you believe in a

00:40:24.880 democratic system

00:40:25.840 where every person

00:40:27.280 to vote should count

00:40:28.300 i assume so

00:40:29.300 i don't

00:40:30.960 why not

00:40:32.140 because i don't i mean

00:40:34.280 let's take for example

00:40:36.040 in this society right now

00:40:38.100 person turns 18 years old

00:40:40.180 they don't own anything

00:40:41.640 they've never had a real

00:40:42.740 job

00:40:43.220 they just graduate high

00:40:44.360 school

00:40:44.700 this is a person that's

00:40:46.680 voting for the president

00:40:47.620 of the united states

00:40:48.460 what do they know about

00:40:49.160 anything what do they know

00:40:49.920 about trade the economy

00:40:51.160 foreign affairs

00:40:51.900 what do they know about

00:40:52.700 one thing in the whole

00:40:53.520 world

00:40:53.780 a person that owns a

00:40:55.380 building knows more

00:40:56.600 about the world than

00:40:57.320 literally any 18 year old

00:40:58.860 alive today

00:40:59.620 somebody that knows where

00:41:00.860 water and electricity

00:41:02.720 come from

00:41:03.380 somebody that pays bills

00:41:04.520 somebody that owns a

00:41:05.580 company

00:41:05.960 these are people that

00:41:06.980 know how the country

00:41:07.680 actually works

00:41:08.560 the problem is people

00:41:09.720 look at a vote as a

00:41:10.920 privilege and they've

00:41:11.800 divorced it from why we

00:41:13.480 have the privilege and we

00:41:14.540 have the privilege because

00:41:15.700 the privilege is conferred

00:41:17.240 upon us by citizenship

00:41:18.540 citizenship

00:41:20.100 self-government means you

00:41:22.060 take responsibility for the

00:41:23.760 country

00:41:24.160 it's not just about you're a

00:41:25.960 total bum or you're lazy

00:41:27.600 or you know nothing and

00:41:29.280 then you get to cast a vote

00:41:30.860 if you're not really

00:41:32.300 upholding the

00:41:32.980 responsibilities of a

00:41:34.220 free man and a citizen

00:41:35.340 if you're not enterprising

00:41:36.460 if you're not a good

00:41:37.180 Republican

00:41:37.740 by Republican I don't

00:41:38.960 mean a member of the

00:41:40.180 GOP I mean a member of

00:41:41.320 the Republic which is you

00:41:42.860 know what this country is

00:41:44.100 I don't think you should be

00:41:44.920 able to vote

00:41:45.440 and I think there's a lot of

00:41:46.880 people that you know

00:41:47.980 whether they contribute

00:41:48.840 nothing or they know

00:41:49.780 nothing some of them

00:41:50.620 aren't even literate

00:41:51.440 some of them know

00:41:52.060 nothing about what's going

00:41:53.100 on the idea their vote

00:41:54.700 cancels out a business

00:41:56.340 owner their vote

00:41:57.500 cancels out a lawyer

00:41:59.020 it's totally insane

00:42:00.300 I have one point before I

00:42:02.440 move it on to my other

00:42:03.600 people but

00:42:04.680 I understand what you're

00:42:07.380 saying there are a lot of

00:42:08.360 people misinformed people

00:42:09.540 when they go to cast a

00:42:10.480 ballot but I don't think

00:42:12.160 that shit like we should

00:42:13.560 put in a system in place

00:42:14.460 where they don't get to

00:42:14.980 make their voices heard

00:42:15.680 because the president

00:42:17.060 rules the country that

00:42:18.540 means every single thing

00:42:19.540 they do will affect every

00:42:21.320 single person in this

00:42:22.220 country so they should have

00:42:23.660 a right to dictate how

00:42:25.580 their lives are going to

00:42:26.560 be governed whether

00:42:27.620 they're unformed or not

00:42:29.120 taking away so like

00:42:30.420 disenfranchising people

00:42:31.500 because we think they're

00:42:32.580 misinformed it's that's a

00:42:34.140 dangerous precedent

00:42:34.920 okay christine and then

00:42:36.660 cheyenne uh sorry christine

00:42:38.320 and cheyenne why should

00:42:39.120 women vote

00:42:39.720 ask questions so we're

00:42:42.840 saying no no stop with the

00:42:44.220 question but answer this

00:42:45.680 question first why should

00:42:46.900 women vote

00:42:47.420 okay so if women should have

00:42:50.800 should they also not work or

00:42:52.100 like or is it two separate

00:42:53.040 things because you know let's

00:42:54.300 say on subject why should

00:42:55.820 women vote

00:42:56.400 i think everyone has the

00:42:59.780 right to vote i'm sorry

00:43:00.840 that's all i'm gonna say

00:43:01.980 okay why should women vote

00:43:06.660 cheyenne

00:43:07.480 okay i can go now please

00:43:10.160 no interruptions okay i think

00:43:13.660 women should vote is because

00:43:14.860 first of all we're a human

00:43:15.960 being before anything and i

00:43:17.660 just think that's a little bit

00:43:18.940 disrespectful to say well she

00:43:21.040 can't vote women should vote

00:43:22.800 not because they're a human

00:43:24.180 being and they have rights

00:43:25.500 just like anybody else do

00:43:26.600 but why would you give

00:43:28.580 rights to the person who

00:43:29.680 birthed you

00:43:30.280 doesn't make any sense to

00:43:32.340 me

00:43:32.560 the reason why we're all

00:43:34.980 here today is because of a

00:43:36.240 woman and you're telling her

00:43:37.040 she can't vote

00:43:37.860 what's wrong with you

00:43:40.600 it's not really an argument i

00:43:44.120 mean

00:43:44.320 well let's start with one let's

00:43:46.280 start with one really good um

00:43:48.080 argument

00:43:48.800 the whole basis of a country

00:43:52.100 really the basis of the

00:43:53.260 country is that it's able to

00:43:54.460 defend its borders

00:43:55.360 that's kind of what a

00:43:56.300 country is a country is a

00:43:58.300 group of people that say

00:43:59.740 this land is our land and we

00:44:01.700 get to determine what

00:44:02.740 happens within these borders

00:44:04.240 now unfortunately there is

00:44:06.920 no entity higher than the

00:44:09.200 level of government that

00:44:10.240 enforces these rules when

00:44:11.680 russia invades ukraine there's

00:44:13.560 nobody that says you're not

00:44:14.580 allowed to do that if ukraine

00:44:16.440 can't defend its borders they

00:44:18.260 lose their land those

00:44:19.500 territories are no longer a

00:44:20.840 part of it so what makes a

00:44:22.980 country a country is the

00:44:25.040 willingness and the ability to

00:44:27.080 defend the borders and the

00:44:28.360 territorial integrity if america

00:44:31.540 is attacked from outside or

00:44:33.120 inside who goes to fight who

00:44:35.500 goes to fight the war to secure

00:44:37.060 the realm and defend our way of

00:44:38.960 life and our right to govern

00:44:40.820 ourselves it's the men it's the

00:44:43.560 men that go on the front lines it's

00:44:44.900 the men that take up arms it's the

00:44:46.800 men that are expected to do these

00:44:48.060 things and by the way the same is

00:44:49.340 true in a community if somebody

00:44:50.960 breaks into your home at 2 a.m

00:44:53.180 with a gun and a baseball bat or

00:44:55.260 whatever and they say we're gonna

00:44:56.440 hey bitch we're gonna kill you

00:44:58.840 we're gonna take all your stuff

00:45:00.120 who do you call cops what do you

00:45:02.320 want the cops to be you want some

00:45:04.220 five foot four little girl to jump

00:45:06.340 through the window and save you or

00:45:08.120 do you want a big tall guy to come

00:45:10.520 in and fix and save the day same

00:45:13.220 thing goes for firefighters same

00:45:14.980 thing goes for public works so for

00:45:17.420 that reason alone the logic you're

00:45:18.940 using wouldn't you say men should

00:45:21.120 just like be strong and let women

00:45:23.580 make mental decisions if that's your

00:45:26.680 strength if you're if you're equating

00:45:28.940 men to physical brute strength

00:45:31.500 shouldn't women be considered the

00:45:33.720 like brain of it all why would we

00:45:36.040 consider them that there are no

00:45:37.380 female geniuses but you're just

00:45:39.700 talking about men being irrational

00:45:41.040 being violent like men have to

00:45:43.400 protect women from other fellow men

00:45:45.020 katherine johnson who worked at nasa

00:45:47.120 that's not a female genius that's

00:45:49.500 fake i'm talking about real geniuses

00:45:51.620 real geniuses like isaac newton like

00:45:54.680 galileo i'm talking about real

00:45:56.340 geniuses not like figures being

00:45:58.640 geniuses because there are white males

00:46:00.680 when i guarantee you all of their work

00:46:03.040 could possibly be just copied off of

00:46:05.940 someone else who found it first

00:46:07.860 exactly wait like from black women

00:46:12.280 you identify with them when some you

00:46:15.080 can find someone in a different

00:46:16.240 country that knows way more than any

00:46:18.520 of them i'm not

00:46:19.580 considering people outside of yourself

00:46:23.320 could like be worth more than or more

00:46:27.220 knowledgeable than you because you

00:46:29.000 have

00:46:29.360 this narrow-minded view on who you deem

00:46:34.440 is the top of the totem pole but i

00:46:36.880 don't blame you for that that's

00:46:37.840 probably how your life was set up

00:46:39.620 that's probably why you don't have

00:46:42.280 any other views than that and why

00:46:43.840 you can't consider that other people

00:46:46.400 feel differently

00:46:47.200 i do consider that other people feel

00:46:50.260 differently

00:46:50.600 it's giving shelter it's giving

00:46:53.080 just because i've been here this is

00:46:56.640 the way it is and i'm seeing

00:46:58.580 different i don't like it so i'm

00:47:00.180 gonna put a stop to it

00:47:01.320 it's giving red-pilled it's giving

00:47:04.080 based it's uh

00:47:05.360 i didn't say albert einstein okay but

00:47:10.700 the thing is that the genius is you're

00:47:12.800 bringing up the reason why you know

00:47:14.120 about them is because they were in a

00:47:15.260 position where they were able to make

00:47:17.020 their voices heard

00:47:17.760 a lot of people of color aren't able

00:47:19.380 to do that so a lot of these geniuses

00:47:21.520 that you're talking about

00:47:22.300 there probably was a person of color

00:47:23.780 behind the entire operation but you

00:47:25.860 wouldn't know that because a lot of

00:47:28.200 people of color aren't in positions to

00:47:30.180 take credit for a lot of things

00:47:31.740 who is the person of color behind isaac

00:47:33.900 no knowledge

00:47:34.500 we can see how that dynamic

00:47:36.240 that they're the sole creators of

00:47:39.180 that would you not agree

00:47:40.240 no i i totally i the idea that you

00:47:44.420 know there's sort of like this like

00:47:47.040 black people of the gaps argument

00:47:49.080 where it's like if if we can find no

00:47:51.500 female geniuses throughout recorded

00:47:53.100 history if we can find no people of

00:47:55.060 color geniuses throughout recorded

00:47:56.440 history there's this assumption well

00:47:58.420 the white people they just stole it

00:48:00.560 from some black person somewhere and

00:48:02.620 we could just safely assume that

00:48:03.840 no i actually disagree with that i

00:48:06.160 think that we know about isaac

00:48:07.460 newton because he revolutionized

00:48:09.200 math and science we know about

00:48:10.740 galileo because he revolutionized

00:48:12.420 our understanding of space and the

00:48:14.180 cosmos and the world we know about

00:48:16.200 them because they did these

00:48:17.620 extraordinary things and when you

00:48:18.960 look at female inventors if you go

00:48:20.860 because i prepared for this debate

00:48:22.320 if you google female inventors and you

00:48:25.400 look at any website top 10 female

00:48:27.300 inventors in the top 10 is like ice

00:48:30.180 cream maker miracle mop coffee filter

00:48:33.180 you look at the things that men

00:48:34.640 invented it's like cars human flight

00:48:37.100 nuclear bomb rocket ships you know it's

00:48:39.740 like real things and so to get back to

00:48:42.980 the yeah go ahead

00:48:43.720 i want to talk wait one second one

00:48:50.240 second hold on okay we'll go in order

00:48:52.240 because it's getting more interruptions

00:48:53.140 start with jazz and then we'll go to

00:48:54.500 burnout and then back to isaac go ahead

00:48:55.880 jazz okay um from your opening

00:48:58.580 statement first you said that you just

00:49:00.420 don't like that women vote because

00:49:01.640 they don't vote for the candidate you

00:49:02.940 want but the other thing you said was

00:49:04.340 that women lack leadership quality so

00:49:06.460 i'm wondering what these qualities are

00:49:08.040 that all women don't have and that like

00:49:11.340 is a reason to categorically exclude

00:49:13.600 them because even if we go based off

00:49:14.840 of we should have informed voters we

00:49:16.600 should have voters that are paying

00:49:18.220 into taxes or whatever you were saying

00:49:19.780 there's a lot of women who would meet

00:49:21.520 that threshold and a lot of men that

00:49:23.120 wouldn't so what is your argument for

00:49:24.820 categorically excluding one group based

00:49:27.900 on their gender when many of them would

00:49:30.120 meet the the the requirements that you

00:49:33.440 had proposed risk-taking decisiveness

00:49:37.180 assertiveness disagree all women don't

00:49:40.020 have this all women don't have this and

00:49:41.720 all men do do you not know how like

00:49:43.420 averages work like when something hat

00:49:45.420 when when the one group is better at one

00:49:47.520 thing on average that does not mean

00:49:49.160 especially when it's a small effect size

00:49:50.660 for instance like agreeableness that's

00:49:52.300 like a point three so you're so while

00:49:54.540 you can make these statement that on

00:49:56.360 average women are more agreeable than

00:49:58.040 men it's by such a small amount that

00:50:00.400 when it comes to individuals like let's

00:50:02.500 say me and you it would literally be

00:50:04.620 like a coin toss on me being more

00:50:06.880 agreeable than you that's how that works

00:50:08.920 that's just statistics so i think that's

00:50:11.620 a really dim-witted way to view the

00:50:13.260 world that just because you're looking

00:50:14.380 you're looking at group averages and

00:50:16.160 then making individual judgments based

00:50:18.120 thought group averages but they're

00:50:20.120 categorically different men and women

00:50:21.620 are two different categories they have

00:50:23.280 different hormones they're wired

00:50:24.920 differently they're they're wired for

00:50:26.540 different roles you know no overlap do

00:50:28.840 you think there's no overlap do you

00:50:30.580 think it's a hundred percent men are

00:50:32.880 this way and a hundred percent women are

00:50:34.280 this way and there's no overlap it's

00:50:35.680 almost yeah it's nearly a hundred percent

00:50:37.760 i do not that's just scientifically not

00:50:40.500 well and i'll tell you why i'll tell you

00:50:42.660 why i think that you look at like right

00:50:44.960 now for instance we we arguably live in

00:50:48.440 the most liberal progressive feminist

00:50:50.820 society of all time europe and western

00:50:54.040 europe or western europe and north

00:50:55.440 america probably the most liberal

00:50:57.140 feminist progressive since the beginning

00:50:59.620 of recorded history we don't have any

00:51:02.860 female billionaires like very very few you

00:51:05.720 look at the top 10 female billionaires

00:51:07.400 they all got their money from

00:51:08.380 inheritance okay well if you're gonna if

00:51:11.200 you want a society that is a

00:51:12.940 meritocracy though like let's say like 50 i

00:51:14.940 think it's 15 percent of nobel prize

00:51:16.760 winners are female would you rather have

00:51:18.660 a society where zero like wouldn't my

00:51:21.100 society they're giving them to like

00:51:22.440 the best of both genders even if less

00:51:24.880 women do x thing than men wouldn't we

00:51:27.440 want the best of the best and for those

00:51:29.300 women that can meet that standard you

00:51:31.160 don't want them to be included just

00:51:32.680 because they're women it doesn't seem

00:51:34.480 like how you would operate in a real

00:51:36.300 meritocracy where we're trying to get

00:51:37.920 the best of the best for any field that

00:51:39.840 we're going for i mean the there that's

00:51:43.480 really a separate argument the argument

00:51:45.360 i'm making is that when you look at

00:51:47.980 society if your argument were true that

00:51:50.600 on average men and women are equally as

00:51:54.000 likely to be agreeable or not agreeable

00:51:55.880 risk takers are not risk takers etc then

00:51:59.180 you would probably see a more substantial

00:52:02.160 proportion of the super competitive

00:52:04.300 people would be women but that's not

00:52:06.220 true the most super competitive

00:52:08.300 profession lawyers half of our women i

00:52:11.060 think half the medical professions are

00:52:12.600 women women owned businesses are less

00:52:15.140 likely to go bankrupt so there are

00:52:17.200 certain fields where women are either

00:52:19.180 surpassing or operating equal to men and

00:52:21.800 again if you want a meritocracy you want

00:52:23.820 people who can survive in this economy

00:52:25.460 and have a booming business whether that's

00:52:27.240 a man or a woman why would you

00:52:29.040 categorically exclude an entire group of

00:52:31.520 people based on a very very small

00:52:33.560 difference in group averages

00:52:36.220 well for it's not group averages we're

00:52:38.500 talking about a difference in wired

00:52:40.300 temperament too it's not it's not about

00:52:43.060 excluding them from all of society i think

00:52:45.100 that women should be able to work the

00:52:46.880 question is should they be able to rule

00:52:48.700 should they be able to govern and i think

00:52:50.780 ruling and governing is a very particular

00:52:52.880 kind of science that women are just not

00:52:55.020 suited for categorically the same way that

00:52:57.920 women are not suited for being i think

00:52:59.900 everyone would agree unless you're

00:53:01.500 ridiculous women are not suited to be

00:53:04.720 soldiers women are not suited to be police

00:53:07.120 officers i think for all the same reasons

00:53:09.200 women are not suited to govern and rule

00:53:11.500 because those do require very particular

00:53:13.820 combinations of traits that although i don't

00:53:16.720 think they're they've never been expressed in

00:53:19.020 women i think it is completely rare and when

00:53:21.960 we're talking about a country of 350 million

00:53:24.400 people we're talking about women voting more

00:53:26.980 women vote than men so you know arguably maybe

00:53:30.140 you could get a once in a generation female

00:53:32.280 leader i'll reserve the possibility you know

00:53:36.060 that that can happen but we're talking about

00:53:38.760 women as a rule in a system participating in

00:53:42.080 governance and i think that's totally wrong

00:53:43.900 just like you know if you watch game of

00:53:45.880 thrones there's like that big chick is the

00:53:47.820 knight yeah there might be like a giant woman

00:53:50.260 who could be a cop but i don't know that we

00:53:52.460 would say oh the cops should be half women and

00:53:55.300 half men just like i think the voters shouldn't be

00:53:57.380 half women and this is why it's important to look

00:53:59.520 at those categories and see how big that

00:54:01.360 effect sizes and the difference so with things

00:54:03.320 like physical strength men are overwhelmingly

00:54:05.740 physically stronger than women when it comes

00:54:07.820 to things like agreeableness that difference is

00:54:10.020 much smaller and there's a ton of overlap between

00:54:12.620 men and women so for your brain to be so narrow

00:54:15.980 minded to say oh i'm going to look at every

00:54:17.940 categorical difference if men are stronger than

00:54:19.880 women on average and men are less agreeable than

00:54:22.040 women on average i'm just going to pretend that

00:54:23.540 this is a hundred percent and there's no nuance

00:54:25.520 and there's no overlap and there's no difference

00:54:27.860 between the amount that a man is stronger than a

00:54:29.940 woman versus how agreeable one is or how smart

00:54:32.740 one is or how educated one is especially when women

00:54:35.500 actually are surpassing men in a lot of these fields

00:54:37.980 especially education that's just not a reasonable way to

00:54:42.820 look at life or the data okay we're circling so i want to

00:54:45.980 hear from heaven and then christine because you haven't

00:54:47.740 been speaking much heaven do you have anything

00:54:49.200 speak louder

00:54:55.880 your mic isn't working let's hear from christine while you fix your mic heaven

00:55:03.680 okay i i don't have much to add i'm sorry

00:55:09.560 i want to ask you specifically because you didn't uh get to me give an argument earlier

00:55:16.080 they were you said that no but we're going to stay on subject so that the subject is why

00:55:21.540 women should vote what's your argument for why women should vote

00:55:23.780 she already said it i think everyone has the right to vote i'm sorry like i yeah

00:55:30.120 and i don't have to justify other than that like okay cheyenne do you have anything

00:55:36.500 can you guys hear me yeah oh yes we can hear you

00:55:43.020 okay um i guess i go um yeah so i feel like women should be able to vote because i feel like

00:55:50.400 anybody in this country who is a citizen who is a part of the way that america operates and flows

00:55:56.940 should have a say so on how policies affect them i feel like it's not fair to give the power to one

00:56:03.500 specific gender based off of things that you've pretty much just pulled out of the air because

00:56:08.960 you don't have facts for any of the things that you claim tonight um i just think that isn't fair i

00:56:15.860 don't think that's logical and i think even the way you're debating tonight is showing that men should

00:56:21.500 not rule or control anything just because you don't even have the facts to back up stuff for

00:56:26.840 okay i mean can i respond to that yeah go ahead yeah so you know i think you made a good point you

00:56:37.620 said everyone who is a citizen should vote and i i agree but you know it's really a bigger question

00:56:43.620 about like what why do we vote i feel like people take it for granted that well everyone's here everyone

00:56:49.880 has a right to vote well why you know when the country was founded there was the spirit of citizenship

00:56:55.320 there's a spirit of self-governing there's an enterprising spirit and it doesn't just mean

00:56:59.660 you know you're kind of just like a regular joe you you really worry about yourself you don't really

00:57:04.640 know anything and then you get a right to determine who runs the country when the country was founded

00:57:09.580 there was only one body in the whole federal government that the whole country directly voted on

00:57:15.780 does anyone know what that is okay case in point it was house of representatives the senate senators

00:57:23.240 were appointed by the state legislatures the president was chosen by the electoral college

00:57:27.440 which was chosen by the state legislatures supreme court was nominated by the president

00:57:32.000 confirmed by the senate it was only one federal body that they said was for the people and even then

00:57:37.100 citizenship was restricted and not even on the basis of race it was restricted really on the basis of

00:57:42.500 class and there was the idea that you know we have self-governance but self-governing isn't just

00:57:47.940 about casting a vote it's also about being responsible for society and when i look at the

00:57:53.260 people that are responsible for society i think about property owners business owners i think about

00:57:58.460 people that are civically engaged they're engaged in their community they're engaged in and you know

00:58:04.080 sometimes women fall in those categories and you know maybe that would be okay i guess it depends

00:58:09.100 but maybe the fundamental assertion that should be questioned is that everyone has this right to vote

00:58:15.140 they take for granted oh i'm born i get a right to vote i i actually don't think that leads to good

00:58:20.900 outcomes and that's why our elections are now these ridiculous turnout games where it's just pumping tv

00:58:26.200 and radio with low iq attack ads literally bussing people to the polls you know it's like a month they

00:58:33.240 harvest ballots getting people to just show up and sign their name on it this is not conducive to good

00:58:38.820 governance this that's not what citizenship looks like and so i think once you understand that then you

00:58:44.520 start to ask yourself well what would be the categories of people that should vote and i think

00:58:49.640 when you consider the temperament of men and women i think that one of the ways you draw the line is you

00:58:54.540 say men should vote i think another category where you draw the line is people that that own things

00:59:00.460 people that own property or own a business i'm sorry i don't think renters and wage earners i don't

00:59:05.200 think they really have enough stake in the society to be able to cast a vote i think maybe you'd throw

00:59:09.640 in a category like whether a person's a parent i'm not a parent you know but maybe that's another

00:59:14.260 category if you have kids at least you have a stake in the future but we really need to get back to

00:59:19.300 thinking about voting as part of citizenship part of being self-governing not just this thing where

00:59:26.200 everybody gets it like they get uh you know anything else like it's a bit free for all

00:59:31.560 one thing um yeah we're gonna go last comments into the next subject is that go ahead yeah yeah

00:59:36.440 no problem no problem yeah i just think that's a really terrible argument because you're bringing

00:59:39.820 up temperament um but you know 90 of all the wars in the world have been done by men because men hold

00:59:47.000 the power a lot of the societal issues could be attributed to men so when you're saying things

00:59:52.980 about temperament men have bad temperament too um men and women are very similar when it comes to the

00:59:59.760 way their brains work so to take away the rights of one side of the aisle while leaving it for the

01:00:06.040 other that shows a lack of temperament on your behalf as well which is just proving our argument

01:00:10.580 and also if you cut off the voting rights for 50 of the population don't you think that would have a

01:00:14.860 negative effect on society i don't think that's the you say that's the best for society but how is

01:00:19.440 disenfranchising half of the entire population good for society tell me i think why should

01:00:26.200 i was gonna say and also why should um 50 of society have a say so for the whole like the

01:00:36.140 majority that's crazy like a man shouldn't that's that's crazy that you think that a man should have

01:00:42.060 a say so or how things affect women's bodies how people live how people um express themselves

01:00:49.860 that's yeah no that's not can i make a statement on that go ahead in order to create a society you

01:01:01.880 need people in order to create a person you need both men and women how can you speak on something

01:01:08.440 like that and think that the other input can't is not worthy or is not valuable you can't even make a

01:01:14.480 baby without a woman you can't even make a a city to govern without a woman and you're trying to

01:01:20.920 take away the whole voice of a whole marginalized not even marginalized the most like probably the

01:01:28.500 most important factor in a society because who's raising these children who's carrying these children

01:01:34.760 who's building a society who's under you that you think you have all the authority and right to

01:01:40.960 govern all these people but they're the people who's putting in the work for you to be able to

01:01:45.400 sit up there and speak so confidently in what you're saying perfect i'm gonna go you're gonna

01:01:51.260 say your mom let's do the last one from jazz and let's go on to the next subject okay yeah i just feel

01:01:57.040 like it doesn't make i if he's saying okay the threshold should be property owners pays taxes

01:02:01.860 civically engaged um educated and has kids like but then all of a sudden all women are excluded for this

01:02:08.100 although so many women meet this threshold just because you're making a categorical exclusion

01:02:12.940 because of a group average a very small one on temperament it just it doesn't even align with

01:02:18.780 anything else you're saying if you have these requirements to get in it should be if you meet

01:02:22.760 those requirements to vote you should do it what just despite your gender or race or anything it just

01:02:27.220 seems like you just want to categorically exclude women just because they're women based on a false

01:02:33.100 perception of how all women are because again you're looking at a very small difference in

01:02:38.300 group averages great let's go on to the next subject it's uh we're so i respond like three people just

01:02:43.120 went go ahead um and i'll be quick about it again i'll just say i think that you know and here's another

01:02:49.340 point i'll just throw out there power and decision making is distributed in the society in different

01:02:55.080 ways and i think um burnout actually made a good point women do raise all of the people or ideally

01:03:01.440 they should i think that the mothers should raise their babies i think every baby should be raised by

01:03:05.840 their mother that's a massive amount of power and influence and women are huge influence on their

01:03:10.820 husbands how how a man goes out and lives his life is totally influenced by a woman and i think the idea

01:03:17.340 that voting is the end-all be-all of the expression of political power is just wrong and i think that in

01:03:24.020 the same way that men aren't trying to push babies out of their butts i think women shouldn't be fighting in

01:03:29.200 the wars and the same way that men aren't breastfeeding the kids i think women shouldn't

01:03:32.760 be in politics i think that politics is an extension of war i think that governance is leadership and i

01:03:38.480 think that temperamentally not group averages categorically women are just not suited for that

01:03:43.380 sort of thing sounds good let's move on to the next subject and uh for you know for to spice it up

01:03:49.120 let's start with isaac i want to see what your answer is isaac should gay people be allowed to adopt

01:03:54.040 babies um yeah i believe that as long as you have the ability to be a good parent whether you're gay

01:04:02.920 straight you know no matter your sexual orientation you should you should be allowed pretty cut and dry

01:04:08.680 okay anyone else before nick goes should gay people be allowed to adopt babies heaven do you have

01:04:13.940 anything burnout i feel yeah i feel i feel like anybody that has the heart to be a parent um the patience

01:04:23.660 to be a parent should be afforded that right to experience um parenthood and having a child

01:04:30.960 and having that family that they have always wanted i feel like there's no evidence to show that children

01:04:37.860 that grow up in a single or same-sex couple households do it fare any worse on a majority of

01:04:44.560 metrics and or on any metric and on top of that i feel like if you're looking at the best interest of a

01:04:49.940 child a child that's needing to be adopted and a family that's wanting to adopt them how could you

01:04:56.580 possibly say that this child just should live without parents instead of going to gay parents

01:05:01.600 especially when there's no evidence that doing so would be more detrimental to the child even in a

01:05:06.480 heterosexual relationship must much less no parents christine and then cheyenne do you have anything

01:05:12.740 should gay people be allowed to adopt babies yes absolutely i just like i can't just for me

01:05:21.360 you know for me it's just i i don't know but um there's plenty of unfit parents that are heterosexual

01:05:29.080 you know ones that literally lose their kids to the system because of drugs or whatever it is that

01:05:35.600 if there is a gay couple that has no criminal record and they can be fit parents i don't see

01:05:43.060 why they can't be parents if they want to be parents if they're not hurting the child

01:05:46.740 cheyenne what do you think should gay people be allowed to adopt babies

01:05:50.420 yes anybody that wants to be a parent it shouldn't matter what their sexual orientation is or race so i

01:05:59.460 think that a child deserves two parent households but it shouldn't matter what sexuality they are

01:06:07.380 because the kid deserves parents that's how i feel so yes nick well did you wait hold on um did

01:06:14.920 everybody go heaven you went did everybody respond i didn't um yes absolutely you have to give an

01:06:22.320 argument this is a debate so why besides period why should they gay people be allowed to adopt children

01:06:27.040 um i believe that your sexuality shouldn't disqualify you from having that experience and

01:06:35.660 raising up a person into this world that could be beneficial rather than leaving them to fend and

01:06:45.160 fight for themselves because as we know orphans don't have anyone so it's better to like give them

01:06:53.060 someone than nothing i would say great nick should gay people be allowed to adopt no no totally not

01:07:02.580 absolutely not um and you know probably it stems from a disagreement i'm sure everybody on the panel

01:07:08.580 thinks that homosexuality is fine i think it's wrong i think it's a perversion and i think it's sort

01:07:14.420 of like the question asking should you let alcoholics adopt kids or should you let drug users adopt kids

01:07:20.520 or something like this um you know and let's just be very clear about what we're talking about

01:07:25.140 you know the way that homosexuals are portrayed in the media and like modern family and stuff is like

01:07:31.160 oh you know they're just like us they just kind of like a little you know they have a different

01:07:34.740 preference some people like hamburgers some people like pizza and so it is but let's just be very

01:07:41.160 clear it's like three percent of the population that identifies as exclusively same-sex attracted it's a

01:07:47.200 very low percentage uh it's going up over time you know when you have people that identify as they're

01:07:52.620 flexible or they're you know not not exclusively heterosexual or something like that but the number

01:07:58.240 of people that identify as exclusively same-sex attracted is exceedingly low we also find that

01:08:04.560 there's a lot of things that overlap with that drug abuse perversion pedophilia it's like half of all

01:08:12.900 the pedophiles are gay men they're like three percent of the population they're half of all the

01:08:18.240 pedophiles and then you look at things like monkey pox how did monkey pox come to america it's because

01:08:23.400 they all went on an island they were all having sex with everybody else was a giant orgy and then they

01:08:28.120 all came back to america and had sex with everybody here and then they gave everybody monkey pox

01:08:32.140 this is how the aids crisis started and nobody wants to talk about it but it is the ugly reality

01:08:37.640 gay men and gay men know about it what's that is that fact that's actual those are those hundred

01:08:44.520 percent facts can you give us what don't people spread diseases too okay not as much as the aids

01:08:52.440 phenomenon was in the 80s and 90s if i could just finish i'll promise i'll wrap it up and then he

01:09:00.940 can respond you guys continue we'll go one at a time nick if you could finish your opening statement

01:09:03.940 so the dirty secret that nobody wants to talk about is that homosexuals there's a huge overlap

01:09:11.280 with perversion and other dysfunctional behaviors i'm sure there are homosexuals out there maybe that

01:09:18.520 their their only sin is sodomy their only sin is sodomy and something like that and maybe every other

01:09:25.040 way they're fine and i don't think that i think that's very rare but overall the gay community has a lot

01:09:32.000 of those problems and i think the question fundamentally is what is best for the child

01:09:36.980 you know people say well everyone has a right to have kids and something consistent in the debate is

01:09:42.160 this you know we deserve we have rights we have to think about what we're actually doing here

01:09:46.840 we have to think about where the rights of other people are you know do children have a right to grow

01:09:51.800 up in a home with a moral fabric you know where it's a man and a woman in a marriage as opposed to a

01:09:57.900 single person gay people you know other kinds of issues going on in the home i actually do think

01:10:02.700 in some cases children not being adopted is better and obviously we can think of examples

01:10:07.940 of where that would not be the case and i think that also applies to homosexuals too

01:10:12.020 okay let's respond one at a time do you have anything isaac yeah i think um the so the main point

01:10:21.140 of this debate is kind of um there can't really be an agreement or a conclusion reached because we

01:10:26.540 have a fundamental disagreement over what's moral um i think you see homosexuality as a sin you call

01:10:33.180 it sodomy so from your perspective people who are immoral should not raise kids and in that sense i

01:10:39.900 agree that people who are immoral should not raise kids however i do not view homosexuality as

01:10:44.940 as many other people on this panel so that's pretty much how it is i don't think we we will be able to

01:10:52.760 reach um a consensus on this to be honest do you have anything else burnout heaven cheyenne anything

01:11:01.820 um i just want to know what basis do you base homosexuality in relation to alcoholism

01:11:11.620 and pedophilic pedophilic nature because those are very different things like those are hugely

01:11:22.500 different things and that is a heavy statement to make in a comparison to call someone who is a drunk

01:11:30.820 and a danger to children the same as someone who just likes the same sex that's a bit

01:11:41.460 insane to me well the argument went like this people said that everyone who wants a kid should

01:11:49.700 be able to adopt a kid and i said well obviously that's not true because we wouldn't if an alcoholic

01:11:55.280 wanted a kid we wouldn't send an adopted child to them to raise them because we see there's obvious

01:12:01.240 problems what's that we didn't say that we did not say that anybody we never say well your argument

01:12:09.120 was you can you roll it back but the argument was people want to be parents they should be able to

01:12:14.580 be parents and i think you agree that some people that's not that even if they want to be parents

01:12:19.400 that's not enough because there's certain qualifications we have to consider whether

01:12:23.120 they'd be good parents would you not let people in a rural that's not what we said though not children

01:12:28.660 then because they have high if you're looking at averages they have high rates of alcoholism and

01:12:33.520 drugs would you not have people in middle america rural communities that all are dealing with this

01:12:37.900 opiate crisis would you not let any of them adopt children and again just because when you said

01:12:42.440 earlier oh it's rare it's only three percent like yeah maybe three percent of the population is born

01:12:47.020 with four fingers instead of five that doesn't mean they shouldn't be parents just because it's not as

01:12:50.660 common so i don't understand just because you're saying that and again there is actually no evidence

01:12:55.920 that people that children that are uh grow up in same-sex households fare off any worse whereas there

01:13:01.360 is evidence that children growing up in poor rural communities fare off worse so with your argument would you

01:13:06.820 not let those people adopt children again the argument isn't about averages the argument isn't whether

01:13:12.620 someone is statistically likely to be one thing or the other what i said is and i okay can i can i

01:13:18.400 finish my reply um so as uh i'm not sure it's uh isaac i think isaac said a moment ago um you know

01:13:28.120 we're not really going to come to an agreement because if you think that being gay is not immoral

01:13:32.660 and i think it follows if you don't think it's immoral you probably would say that gays are just

01:13:38.180 people that have a higher risk factor for example of those things just like other people just like

01:13:43.720 people in appalachia or something and therefore you wouldn't categorically exclude them what i'm saying

01:13:48.940 though and i'm making this argument by painting a picture is that homosexuality is immoral just like

01:13:55.660 being an alcoholic just like being one of those other things and uh it's an immoral behavior i think in

01:14:01.300 the same way that someone that abuses alcohol shouldn't have kids someone that abuses themselves

01:14:05.800 in a sexual way shouldn't be having kids the picture i'm painting for people might be skeptical

01:14:11.380 is just to kind of introduce it when i'm saying they shouldn't have kids i'm not saying oh well they

01:14:17.460 shouldn't have kids because i'm prejudiced or a bigot i'm saying it's wrong and it's a good heuristic

01:14:22.620 that it's wrong because it's being misrepresented in the media and in society as something like it's

01:14:28.960 that you have men and women there's half men half women and men and women are basically you know

01:14:34.420 they all are after the same things you got black people white people white people black people are

01:14:38.820 you know born a certain way blah blah blah what i'm saying is about homosexuals being three percent of

01:14:42.860 the population it is anomalous it's non-normative and so there's something about that where i feel like

01:14:49.200 people don't really recognize it's such a tiny minority and then you start to think well are people

01:14:54.140 born gay and straight like people are born white and black or men and women are people born a certain

01:14:59.840 way and maybe they're born with a certain inclination and then maybe it's environmental

01:15:04.140 in some cases it's induced by assault or trauma or it's induced by certain environmental factors in

01:15:10.620 the home like an overbearing mother and then you start to create a profile that homosexuality is

01:15:15.320 really a pattern of behavior more than an identity and that's why it tends to flow into heavy

01:15:22.080 promiscuity drug use perversion all these things because it isn't just like a preference that is

01:15:29.040 kind of arbitrary it's a pattern of behavior that results from kind of very specific combination of

01:15:34.760 factors and so so that's the picture that i'm trying to paint but if you believe yeah go ahead

01:15:40.360 couldn't you say the same thing about like people with your worldview that's a very fringe small

01:15:45.000 minority oh maybe your mother was this way or that way and that's why you believe x thing you

01:15:49.960 believe your worldview and your fringe group of the internet is a very very small minority i would

01:15:54.780 never say that's the reason you guys shouldn't be able to adopt kids and again if we're looking at

01:15:59.340 if you're just going to say homosexuality is immoral i don't like it that's why fine but what

01:16:03.380 you're saying is oh they have overlaps with drug use and this and that when again those poor rural

01:16:09.060 communities they have way bigger overlaps and we have actual statistical data that children that grow up

01:16:14.520 in those communities end up faring worse whereas children growing up in same with same-sex couples

01:16:19.300 do not so if you just want to say i don't like homosexuality because it's gross fine but i don't

01:16:24.660 know where these other arguments are coming from because you're not being consistent with them

01:16:27.740 no i am gay people

01:16:30.220 no i don't think i do

01:16:33.680 do you think you're speaking out of a perspective of someone that doesn't know the lgbtq community

01:16:40.940 you're just speaking about your own experience by maybe media maybe

01:16:45.080 yeah yeah i think that if you're if you're if you're trying to make the case that homosexuals are

01:16:54.880 not promiscuous that they don't abuse drugs that they don't like to party that there's not immense

01:16:59.460 perversion i think you know i think you don't know what you're talking about on that case i mean

01:17:04.160 it's true maybe i don't have credibility on the subject because you know i don't know them in that

01:17:09.020 lifestyle intimately but i think you'd be mistaken if you're arguing that can people can decide for

01:17:15.100 themselves yeah the description of the character you just gave also sounds like your average frat boy

01:17:21.060 so where's the difference in that baby like make it consistent

01:17:26.220 yeah i think i think you're right i think there is a lot of that with frat boys but i also think

01:17:31.740 that the numbers are just extraordinary i mean for example you know there are studies that have been

01:17:36.920 done about homosexuality i'm thinking of one that was done in san francisco and said that 95 percent of

01:17:43.060 them are non-monogamous and promiscuous and the numbers about their lifetime sexual partners

01:17:48.500 it's huge it's in like the hundreds it's it's just like a totally different category than

01:17:54.400 heterosexual people and i think that's you know that's kind of the point i'm getting at i am making

01:17:59.080 the case that it's immoral and i'm trying to paint a picture for you where it's not like we're kind of

01:18:03.920 starting in the middle of the story where it's like you got straight people you got gay people

01:18:08.100 is it fair to discriminate and i'm saying well we can't really start in the middle of the story we

01:18:12.760 kind of have to go back and it's like where where are the gay people really coming from is it just

01:18:18.360 like a roll the dice and just like everything else one person's one way and one person is another

01:18:23.700 or is homosexuality a non-normative behavior it's a deviant behavior it's a form of acting out or

01:18:31.520 indulgence or a defect like other things you know a predisposition to alcoholism a predisposition to

01:18:37.880 other things i think there's a good case to be made based on the fact that it's such a small

01:18:41.860 percentage and they are given to these extreme and and i think anti-social behaviors and you know

01:18:49.520 that's just to choose their sexuality why would they what what benefit would they have by being

01:18:55.040 gay society comes them um society does not see them as equal to straight like if for in order for

01:19:01.900 somebody to become a minority without any benefit they would have to be like crazy um but i you might

01:19:09.440 see gay people is crazy i don't know that seems like something i agree with you i i don't think

01:19:15.740 it's a choice it's just like i think a lot of things aren't a choice i think that you know there

01:19:19.680 are people that are born as sociopaths there are people that are born with the predisposition of

01:19:25.340 violence or alcohol people are unfortunately born they're kind of loaded up with a lot of things

01:19:31.340 and how much of that is genetic and environmental i i think it's it's a difficult line to draw and i'm

01:19:36.820 willing to say for the sake of argument i think very clearly there are some people with the

01:19:40.440 predisposition i think for a lot of people it's very environmental ultimately though no one makes

01:19:46.240 a conscious decision i agree with that the question is though doesn't make it any less moral you know

01:19:52.160 some people are born pardon the comparison but some people are born with the predisposition for

01:19:59.460 violence and would you say hey well you know some people are black some people are white some people

01:20:04.380 are women some are men some people like to kill people and some people don't and they're equally

01:20:08.260 valid like no you'd say well one is immoral maybe they can't help it but it should probably be

01:20:13.640 regulated by society i think the same is true with homosexuality i think the same is true with other

01:20:19.060 i think the same is true as hypersexuality in heterosexuals i think a lot of that should be

01:20:24.600 regulated would you say then that black people shouldn't be able to adopt kids because they're

01:20:29.000 technically more likely to be predispositioned towards violence because they commit more of it

01:20:33.580 if that's what you believe or would you like when you say okay alcoholics shouldn't be able to adopt

01:20:38.180 kids would you actually see that the person that wants to adopt a child is an alcoholic or would you

01:20:43.100 exclude them because they come from a region like poor rural america where a lot of them are

01:20:48.200 alcoholics because for some reason with gay people you're like automatically because there's this overlap

01:20:53.100 between um or they have higher rates of drug use than whatever other demographic you're comparing

01:20:58.380 them to that we're not now going to look at them individually and think are you an alcoholic are you

01:21:02.820 a drug addict but i have a feeling that when it comes to other groups you would actually want them

01:21:07.860 to show okay this person shouldn't be a parent because they are they are using drugs not because

01:21:12.540 they come from an area or that they're they're white which or whatever that makes them more likely to

01:21:17.900 do so yeah again i think you're kind of getting hung up on like i'm not saying it's a statistical

01:21:23.780 risk factor i'm not saying homosexuals are more likely to do x y and z although they are and therefore

01:21:28.560 they shouldn't be able to adopt i'm saying homosexuality is wrong i said and we know it's

01:21:35.500 wrong because it it it really is a pattern of behavior homosexual people that that exclusively engage

01:21:41.220 in homosexual sex that's an act it's a lifestyle it is a way of living just like some people go

01:21:47.700 and drink every day some people you know some men have sex with men and some women have sex with

01:21:51.900 women and i'm saying that that categorically those people should not have kids just like

01:21:56.280 categorically alcoholics shouldn't have kids just like categorically drug abusers i should say

01:22:01.140 shouldn't be able to adopt kids no black people by virtue of existing don't necessarily have a

01:22:07.560 predisposition of violence but you know black people that are engaged in gang banging because you

01:22:12.120 know some of i worked at ups one time luck of the draw i i was uh the guy that was training me was

01:22:18.460 black and there's another black guy alongside me and they're like you know you gang bang yeah gang

01:22:23.080 they're from gary indiana they're from the south side luck of the draw i guess like that lifestyle

01:22:27.740 shouldn't be able to adopt the same thing with homosexuals and so you know what if there was data

01:22:33.580 that showed that or if you believed even though because there is that showed that these children don't

01:22:37.860 fare off any worse with same-sex couples that engage in whatever lifestyle you're talking about

01:22:42.680 does that matter to you or is it just you just don't like it it's wrong even though it doesn't

01:22:48.700 seem to have any negative impact on children no because i think that you know you and this is a point

01:22:55.340 i think is interesting you're always pushing the data and you know it's a very strong argument when

01:23:00.220 you come with data i don't think that we get all our knowledge empirically empirically meaning

01:23:04.900 scientifically we set up a hypothesis we collect data we measure it i think we also get i think

01:23:10.640 we also get knowledge rationally i think we're also able to you know you could call it common sense

01:23:14.960 you could call logic i think we also get information otherwise other ways that's how we get philosophy

01:23:19.900 that's how we get the idea that you know it's it's probably wrong to sodomize because the natural end

01:23:25.760 of sex is reproduction that's something that you can't you can't determine that through a study or

01:23:30.020 scientifically you determine that rationally and so i think that you know data can be manipulated

01:23:36.140 you could play with the numbers i'm really uninterested in the data i think it's immoral i

01:23:40.240 think people that grow up in a household being taught sex can be had between two consenting people

01:23:45.420 or many consenting people or men and men i think it's wrong i don't think people should be brought

01:23:49.940 up in that kind of environment so basically we're gonna hold on hold on what's your name jazz we're

01:23:54.800 gonna uh let you go i want to hear from isaac and then we're gonna move on to the next subject

01:23:58.920 because isaac it seems like you have a moral uh quandary with with nick but let's let's go one more

01:24:03.800 thing from jazz yeah i was just gonna say so you're saying ignore all the data ignore the actual

01:24:08.980 evidence that people have gathered looking at children and how they fare off in different

01:24:12.960 environments ignore that even personal experience because it seems like you don't know you don't hang

01:24:16.620 around a lot of same-sex couples but just whatever you feel you think based on catholicism and whatever

01:24:23.560 you're putting together that should be the metric that all of society should go by not facts not even

01:24:28.900 lived experiences just what you feel okay that's all well it's no hang on it's not about what i feel

01:24:35.840 again it's where where do we get knowledge where do we get things like math itself where do we get

01:24:42.620 things like you know even the conception that we shouldn't kill people that life is good and death

01:24:47.740 is bad you know these are things that can't that we can't necessarily derive from empirical methods

01:24:54.140 alone and you know you can say well we should just go by your system you have a system too you're

01:24:59.960 arguing a moral system as well people don't think of it in that way but when you say things like

01:25:04.060 well everyone should have rights and everyone should be treated fairly that is a moral position

01:25:09.780 where are you getting that moral position you know i'm getting a moral position from the catholic

01:25:15.080 church we're getting it from philosophy we're getting it from revelation we're getting it from

01:25:20.240 natural law so we're both arguing a moral position let's not pretend like one position was

01:25:26.020 objectively proven true by a study saying that fairness is good is not an empirical statement that's

01:25:33.120 not a scientific statement it's a moral statement and you know moral statements are created by moral

01:25:38.200 systems by people um so we're you know i don't know i'm gonna go to isaac isaac what do you what's

01:25:46.520 your response to uh next moral position yeah i just think my dilemma is that from the from on paper

01:25:53.840 there's nothing wrong with his belief that immoral people should not adopt kids i just think that

01:25:59.500 immoral like what's moral is subjective um i do not believe that because you're homosexual you're

01:26:05.620 immoral um and i do think that even if we're using this like really narrow-minded view of morality

01:26:13.040 once you agree that there are people that you find immoral that are good at what they do can can we

01:26:18.980 concede to that absolutely yeah so just because someone you view someone as immoral does not mean

01:26:23.940 they're not they can't they don't have the ability to do what's what's needed so someone is immoral but

01:26:28.680 is still a good parent and the kid ends up you know achieving greatness because they had good

01:26:33.620 parents why would you you know be against that i don't understand because the first hold on let's

01:26:39.760 like nick respond and then burn out you can go oh yeah the in my opinion i think that the thing that

01:26:46.000 a parent has to do first is is give their kid a moral education you know we look at the society

01:26:51.480 today it's falling apart because kids aren't getting a moral education they're getting taught calculus

01:26:55.920 and science and then they can read and they can do a lot of things but they're not getting a moral

01:27:00.920 education they're not being taught you know like for example you look at crime you can argue a lot

01:27:06.200 of different things about crime a big factor is there's no fathers a big factor is people aren't

01:27:10.900 telling them right from wrong i think that's a big problem with why hookups are so unsatisfying

01:27:15.820 relationships are so unsatisfying we find people are so unsatisfying people we find are selfish

01:27:21.420 people we find are uncaring it's because there's a true moral failing and it stems from really bad

01:27:27.940 parents single parents selfish parents divorced parents parents that are more interested in other

01:27:33.440 things parents themselves that didn't have a moral compass of such a huge and you we say

01:27:38.440 narrow-minded i don't think it's narrow-minded it is more narrow i do have a more narrow version

01:27:42.340 of morality i think our responsibilities go further than just don't harm other people in obvious ways

01:27:48.000 which seems to be the consensus it's like as long as you're not hurting somebody it's like but you

01:27:53.360 know aren't we hurting children when the their parents get divorced aren't we hurting people when

01:27:58.240 you know we engage in decadent irresponsible behaviors are we hurting ourselves is there anything

01:28:04.100 better about hurting ourselves and hurting somebody else and why so so i it is a more narrow

01:28:09.400 version of morality but i think that's what's needed burn out go ahead and then i have a question for

01:28:14.320 all right to elaborate more on this straight edge path that you're thinking when it comes to morality

01:28:21.240 or whatever um i would start with saying that morality comes from being mortal no can we all agree

01:28:30.660 on that being a human being and living and having experiences dictate your morality and morality really

01:28:39.180 is not a singular thing it doesn't have to do with an individual it's community based because morals are

01:28:46.340 held up around what is deemed acceptable and what is deemed not acceptable and for you to sit here and

01:28:55.900 make statistical statements and not consider that morals have a very big part in to do with

01:29:05.880 your experience as a human being and how you physically inhabit spaces in your body and

01:29:11.540 spaces where you don't really know what's going on you're just regurgitating information it's kinda

01:29:19.080 like we all know is narrow-minded but it can't be the definitive factor or like the the last

01:29:27.380 end-all be-all because life is full of complexities and you're not considering any of them you're taking your

01:29:34.960 information that someone has told you not anything that you have experienced firsthand and saying

01:29:41.840 that's the end-all be-all and this is what we should go by when there's no proof that this is the best way

01:29:47.240 to go great isaac i want to ask you where does morality come from

01:29:51.100 uh that's actually a good question um i think morality is a human construct a lot of people could

01:29:58.940 say it comes from christianity i think nick would agree with that but i also think that there are

01:30:03.460 things that um lean into the more subjectivity of it all because there are things that christians

01:30:09.480 deem moral that i deem immoral um and there are things that you know i deem moral that christians

01:30:17.040 deem immoral like abortion um so i don't think morality there's we don't have enough evidence or

01:30:22.400 enough understanding to know exactly where morality comes from and that is why we can't make

01:30:26.860 society-based things on um subjective moral values because just because you think something's

01:30:34.840 immoral does not mean the next man thinks something is immoral so we need to be a little more complex

01:30:40.620 with that um and i don't think and i that's why i think you're narrow-minded in the sense that you're

01:30:45.060 not considering all the complexities of morality and the subjectivity around morality you're just doing

01:30:50.160 you're just going by your own sense of morality rather than taking into account the rest of the

01:30:55.900 world that's just my opinion well you haven't uh answered the question directly where does morality

01:30:59.800 come from we don't know where it comes from nobody knows okay do you have anything from cheyenne and

01:31:05.660 then from christine you haven't spoke uh much during this subject do you have anything we'll move on to

01:31:09.360 the next one yeah um my parents are pretty conservative i would say and i just feel like when you say that

01:31:19.860 you know gay parents will be like a bad example and such um i just i don't personally get it because

01:31:26.580 i was raised by like similar beliefs like my parents have similar beliefs as you like they told me like

01:31:32.520 growing up like you better not like girls and things like that and so so that's what i'm saying

01:31:37.860 like for me i form my own opinion about what i think is right should be okay and uh equality and things like that

01:31:45.860 and so i think like gay people raising kids and or straight people raising kids they're still going

01:31:54.160 to form their own beliefs that'll be against what you believe so cheyenne is morality subjective or

01:32:01.360 objective

01:32:01.800 good dog it's subjective okay where does morality come from we don't know

01:32:12.180 but what i can say as a person who grew up in a church because both parents are christianity that's

01:32:20.480 just they've been told me you can't be gay you better not be gay but to say that just because someone

01:32:29.360 may be different they're not as human or as qualified to be parents or as as a woman she's not qualified to

01:32:37.660 do anything because she's a woman it's kind of a bit it's a bit biased and a bit weird don't you think

01:32:45.860 okay let's move on to the next subject it seems we're starting to uh circle a little bit and i would

01:32:52.580 just say going forward if the participants instead of asking questions we would like to hear your

01:32:57.140 arguments instead of uh reverting back to nick i'm hearing less of people's stances and just asking

01:33:02.320 nick questions so if you could uh state your arguments a little bit more we'll move on to the next

01:33:05.760 one now it'll start with nick because you started with isaac last one nick is it okay to be fat

01:33:09.520 no no it's gross and i i sympathize okay because i'm gaining weight at a rapid pace i like to eat

01:33:19.460 okay i like eating i hate working out i hate exerting myself so i say it um you know you can't really

01:33:25.600 call me hypocrite because i'm getting there you know and i i struggle to stop the trend um no but it's

01:33:32.620 um it goes along with everything else we've been saying it really is a fundamental question of

01:33:37.480 what do we consider moral behavior um can because there seems to be a consensus these days

01:33:43.800 it's like this reddit mentality it's like a very compassionate mentality people say

01:33:49.300 as long as you're not hurting somebody it's fine and harm is kind of like hey keep your hands and feet

01:33:55.800 to yourself don't be mean don't be a jerk as long as you're not doing that you're a good person

01:34:01.260 and i think that um the things that harm ourselves are immoral i think there's a whole category of

01:34:07.900 things like that i think that you know those sexual behaviors like we're talking about before that are

01:34:12.940 not you know pointed toward their natural end are immoral i think overeating gluttony laziness sloth

01:34:20.220 i think those are immoral things i think we would all say we would all feel in our heart of hearts

01:34:25.720 there's something wrong if we're not being productive and we know somewhere deep down that

01:34:31.640 work is good when we don't work we feel bad when people are working around us but we're not we feel

01:34:37.320 guilty why is that we have a conscience we have an objective sense of morality that's baked into the

01:34:44.160 cake and that's because we know that work and toil and productivity are good and the opposite is bad

01:34:50.720 same goes for things like waste we feel an inherent guilt and we waste food why is that it's it's

01:34:57.860 something that's immoral it's not necessarily hurting somebody else but we can all recognize it's not a

01:35:01.800 good thing and the same goes for being decadent overindulgent obese the big scam is people say

01:35:08.120 obesity is caused by some other thing it's caused by eating too much it's caused by a lack of discipline

01:35:12.680 people say you know they got big bones or something i think there's a lot of shit in the foods we're not

01:35:17.820 supposed to eat but if you get fat it's probably because you're eating too much and that's a sin

01:35:22.480 so we need people to uh stop eating stop the snacking stop drinking the sugary drinks stop grazing all the

01:35:29.760 time gotta get up and move get active you know stop being such a fat piece of shit that's kind of my

01:35:34.380 view on the whole thing and i think it's immoral who has a rebuttal does anyone think that it's it's

01:35:38.860 okay to be fat go ahead isaac okay um i don't agree i agree with um with nick a lot on this i do not

01:35:46.380 think that it's okay to be physically unhealthy however where my opinion differs and i don't i'm just

01:35:52.040 assuming i don't even say say it but i don't think we should demonize people for being physically

01:35:57.280 unhealthy i think there are productive ways to stir people into a physically healthy life that doesn't

01:36:02.000 involve shaming them and making them feel any worse than they already are so and from to answer

01:36:06.860 your question i don't think it's all right to be physically unhealthy but i don't think the solution

01:36:10.520 to that is to shame people and also obesity and being fat can be caused by factors that aren't

01:36:16.660 controlled by the person that is that way um i just wanted to add that it's it's a rarity but those

01:36:22.820 situations still happen um so that's that's how i feel about it and before nick responds anybody else

01:36:28.140 is it okay to be fat christine do you have anything or jazz go ahead um i think there's a difference

01:36:35.160 between unhealthy and immoral and i don't think like nick always talks about oh we have this inherent

01:36:41.000 we have this inherent thing that we just know it's unhealthy we know it's immoral and i think like

01:36:46.000 earlier you brought up like oh there's like things like math well there is a consensus on math clearly

01:36:50.660 your moral framework is not shared by a lot of people it's by the majority of people in our country

01:36:56.020 and so if it's so inherent that we should all just know it because it's just within us it seems like

01:37:01.720 it's only a small percentage of people that have the thing you're talking about where we just

01:37:05.560 inherently feel that someone eating donuts is so immoral it's just it's not happening heaven do you

01:37:11.540 have anything is it okay to be fat personally i feel like it is okay to be fat in terms of um just looks

01:37:20.460 if somebody is personally comfortable and confident that way then oh you know two thumbs up to them is

01:37:28.580 it okay to be unhealthy no however i do feel like what nick is kind of getting at has more to do with

01:37:35.920 a person's um it has more to do with just being negative and like trying to tear them down and not

01:37:43.280 really health because sometimes if a person has weight on them it's not really because they're

01:37:48.500 unhealthy it may be like as it said they may have personal like health issues that they're going through so

01:37:55.260 and also like fat is subjective because a lot of beauty standards have changed over time i remember

01:38:02.220 like um the women that we call it thick and you know curvy these days they were labeled fat back in

01:38:07.500 the day so it's also really subjective about being fat and it's not as long as somebody's comfortable in

01:38:13.580 their own skin i think it's okay but i'm not going to like enable um you know physically you know

01:38:21.020 physical unhealthy behavior but i'm not going to shame or demonize them the way you guys do

01:38:26.320 that's my personal opinion well i'm not i don't want to demonize i don't think they're demonic i

01:38:32.760 don't think fat people are demonic i just don't want to see them i don't want to see them around i

01:38:36.940 think there's uh it is the picture of being unhealthy when you're obese um you know people don't like to

01:38:43.520 look at it for a reason there's a reason that you know super fat people are not in high demand um you

01:38:49.600 know on the dating market or something like that you know we don't like it because it's not beautiful

01:38:53.900 it's not beautiful because it's not good it's not beautiful because it's not healthy and i think that

01:38:58.720 you know as far as shame is concerned i think shame is extremely important you know because people

01:39:03.280 we we know people and we know ourselves if we don't have positive and negative incentives we will do

01:39:10.720 the path of least resistance we will do what we want we'll do what is easiest and something like food

01:39:16.940 we all love to eat food tastes good it's abundant it's plentiful you know it's something that we like

01:39:22.680 to do if there's not a powerful motivator like shame or fear of judgment or things like that

01:39:30.140 i think it does actually lead more people to engage in that and i think it's not for their benefit so

01:39:35.960 it's almost like you look at a person who's fat now a person that's fat has a lot of problems you

01:39:41.880 know they're probably going to die they have a lot of like health complications also you know people

01:39:47.580 don't really want to be around that are we really going to vilify the shaming what's better for the

01:39:52.400 person if they're shamed but they're skinny or they're not shamed but they're fat i think it's

01:39:58.320 better if they're shamed and they're skinny i think that's better for them i think that's better for

01:40:01.680 society and we have to kind of get away from this like over sensitivity people are like wild animals

01:40:09.200 if left to their own devices they will destroy themselves and others i think meanness is actually

01:40:14.220 kind of a prerequisite for society and by the way we know this with other things when people are like

01:40:20.600 racist when people are whatever the kinds of things you guys don't like you have no problem shaming them

01:40:26.860 you have no problem being mean even in some ways not necessarily you guys in particular i'm speaking

01:40:32.500 broadly even being a little bit hypocritical towards so-called racist or sexist or whatever

01:40:39.000 um so i don't think anybody disagrees with the tactics everybody knows that it's just a question

01:40:44.320 of what do you think is wrong and i think that on some level people want to tolerate fatness because

01:40:49.540 people are more tolerant of weakness decadence selfishness than they are of meanness or cruelty

01:40:57.560 um or other things like that and i just think that's all out of i think that's imbalanced

01:41:01.940 yeah go ahead burnout and then i want to hear from you just i'm sorry to ask another question

01:41:12.360 no burnout burnout burnout before you ask a question i want to hear your response before you change the

01:41:16.480 subject so we'll hear from burnout and i want to hear from christine i want to hear from cheyenne you

01:41:19.880 have not been participating all right so i don't think it's a crime to be fat fat people aren't harming

01:41:26.900 people like you want to say you don't like seeing them but you just admitted that you sympathize

01:41:33.460 because you're becoming fat it don't really it's not really mixing in the pot i know and i hate

01:41:40.360 myself i look in the mirror i see my fat face and i'm like damn you're getting fat do you really have

01:41:45.760 the sympathy like because you can't sit here and call fat people disgusting while being one because

01:41:51.160 that just gives hypocritical you just sound hypocritical it's giving and then in the same

01:41:56.780 breath it's giving what it's giving guilt i look at my fat face in the mirror and i'm like i'm so fat

01:42:03.420 i need to get that's good people call me fat it hurts my feelings but it motivates me you know then

01:42:09.700 when i go to dunkin donuts i'm like you feel like you're hurting anyone by being fat do you feel like

01:42:14.360 you're physically hurting anyone by being offending the audience if i'm fat i offend the audience

01:42:21.160 you shouldn't think that way about yourself man you need like no because i don't think what you

01:42:24.780 acquainted it to is the same and you know it depends on your look some fat people can pull

01:42:32.500 it off they have like a kind of jolly demeanor they're kind of some people look a little better

01:42:37.200 that way i feel like we shouldn't speak on other people's bodies especially if we don't know what's

01:42:41.380 going on with them you are more than valid to speak on yours and if you're admitting to being

01:42:46.580 embarrassed about getting fat and in the same breath belittling fat people you're just saying

01:42:52.240 that you hate yourself i hate that i'm getting fat i do and everyone should everyone should want to be

01:42:58.660 healthy everyone should want these things and we should we should encourage them to be i want everyone

01:43:03.900 to be the best that they can be and i don't think we should be like cruel i am against cruelty but i do

01:43:11.240 think you know if there's um shame involved if people feel bad for being fat i don't think that's

01:43:16.020 a bad thing and there's a big difference between cruelty i don't believe in cruelty i don't believe

01:43:21.400 in meanness i'm not i don't think i'm a particularly mean person but i do think that you know when society

01:43:27.100 says this is good this is bad when people don't measure up i think it does cause you know negative

01:43:33.260 feelings but i don't think negative feelings are always bad i think negative it's like pain pain isn't

01:43:38.220 bad if you get shot in the head you know it hurts because you have a problem in the same way not

01:43:44.760 often not all the time but if you feel negative emotion a lot of the times it's because you need

01:43:48.560 to make a change and i feel like the left in general they want to remedy all bad feelings all negative

01:43:55.400 feelings they want to create an environment where everyone's super sensitive and then when the outcomes

01:44:00.900 are terrible they care less about that they care more about everybody feeling better than for example

01:44:06.760 them being healthy and in that sense they're doing a disservice to people and they say you're

01:44:10.780 beautiful it's like you know if a fat person's in front it's like you're not beautiful you're not

01:44:16.120 doing them any favors by telling them that there's nothing wrong with them because there is and it

01:44:19.800 you know we don't have to be cruel about it but what about when someone has like acne do we should we

01:44:25.120 like shame them because it could be for like a hormonal issue which a lot of people that are bigger

01:44:30.220 have hormonal issues or some type of genetic predisposition to it do you just go around and if

01:44:34.420 someone's like ugly or has acne or just is not pleasurable to look at you just think that's the

01:44:40.260 response well but acne is different acne is not something that is directly caused by your lifestyle

01:44:46.460 in some cases in this context knowledge right and in some cases weight is not directly dictated by

01:44:56.780 your lifestyle like people have medical issues it is if you so you see a lot of like morbidly obese

01:45:05.720 people that are starving to death no but there are sometimes like hormonal issues like thyroid issues

01:45:11.660 like my aunt has it and she works out all the time and she's really healthy but she just puts on a lot

01:45:15.920 of weight because her thyroid so people can have these issues that can also cause acne there's many

01:45:20.940 underlying factors that can lead to what someone looks like on the outside and so i feel like either you

01:45:26.460 have to make fun of everyone for everything you're ugly you're sure you have acne or you need to

01:45:30.980 understand that you don't necessarily know why a person looks a particular way i think we do kind of

01:45:36.580 do that i think we do kind of do that anyway and i think that you know some people are more comfortable

01:45:42.000 with some things than other things you know it's like it's a classic example you know women will say

01:45:47.540 well we you know we don't like short men we don't like weak men we don't like men that aren't

01:45:51.820 facially attractive but then you go okay we don't like fat women they go what the how could

01:45:56.460 you say that that's she's crying that's terrible it's like i think the world's a pretty cruel place

01:46:01.980 and i think that obesity ironically it's one of the ones that is most correlated because you're right

01:46:07.860 in some cases there are people that have a you know extenuating circumstance i think in a lot of

01:46:13.240 cases it is overeating generations ago there weren't as many fat people and if you look around the

01:46:19.000 world in different countries it varies tremendously i think it is owing a lot to

01:46:24.200 diet and exercise you know more so than some you know certainly acne height these other things you're

01:46:29.520 pointing out um you know those are almost completely uncontrollable and in the case of something like

01:46:35.240 acne or bad skin that is something i think less so than obesity that can be attributable to lifestyle

01:46:42.100 we all know if you see somebody with a super greasy face and greasy hair and they have bad

01:46:47.220 complexion it's like okay that guy doesn't shower that's different than someone who just has it you

01:46:51.640 know because of hormones because they're an adolescent or something um yeah we'd say take a

01:46:56.780 shower yeah but just like what jasmine was saying yeah she could go after me um yeah but exactly what

01:47:02.360 jasmine was saying they're like underlying things that you know cause somebody to be like socioeconomic

01:47:07.700 status too they're like people in food deserts where they have no opportunity or no other

01:47:11.420 options but to eat you know bad food um so there are people that are put in positions where they

01:47:16.800 can't help the way they look and i agree it's physically unhealthy and it's not good for them

01:47:21.560 but there needs to be a more productive way to lean them towards getting healthy like you know

01:47:27.280 we could provide more programs to help you know people who are socioeconomically disadvantaged to

01:47:32.820 you know get healthier but calling somebody fat and saying you're ugly i don't want to look at you

01:47:37.520 these people generally are already feeling bad about themselves and you're just putting them down even

01:47:41.100 further so and when someone gets put down it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where they don't want to

01:47:46.220 get better because they already view the world as against them um so i don't think your way of

01:47:52.620 dealing with that it will be productive it would actually lead to more self-pity and more obese people

01:47:58.100 if i'm being quite honest christine go ahead is it okay to be fat oh thank you yeah i just wanted to

01:48:03.060 say like there's all all the tiktokers and like the binge eaters that i see that they're like what i eat

01:48:07.580 in a day and they're eating like a lot of those are skinny skinny people so i feel like that energy

01:48:12.840 should also be directed towards them because like they're the ones that are eating unhealthy but

01:48:16.120 since they aren't able to gain a lot of weight or they have fast metabolisms like no one really cares

01:48:21.760 but then like a fat woman or a fat man will be eating a salad and they're getting roasted for that so

01:48:26.680 yeah like like you know you see a fat person in the gym and they're getting made fun of so like how

01:48:30.940 can they get better if they're just but i know that's the truth of it and that's what's going to

01:48:35.300 happen regardless but yeah i think there's a double standing container there and there's of course

01:48:39.640 like cushing syndrome there's pcos and like syndromes and diseases that people like they can't help

01:48:45.100 but to gain weight like during that like medications and stuff like that so

01:48:49.420 cheyenne do you have anything is it okay to be fat

01:48:52.240 um it's okay to be fat but i don't think it's okay to be unhealthy some people cannot control

01:49:00.540 some people cannot control that they're fat or sometimes it's genetics or sometimes they go to

01:49:05.520 a doctor and be like hey you're gonna start gaining weight and sometimes when you get older

01:49:11.120 things stretches and you can't control your weight and it's gonna be it's gonna get as harder but

01:49:17.020 being unhealthy is not okay because as she just said you see people on tiktok they just gobbling that

01:49:23.540 thing gobbling gobbling but some of them have fat metabolism versus you'll see somebody

01:49:29.340 who's plus size they're eating like a healthy meal and they're making fun of i don't think

01:49:33.740 that's okay that they get shamed i eat horribly and everything goes into my ass and titties and i

01:49:38.520 just make more money on only fans okay we don't need to talk about only fans that's a different

01:49:42.380 subject uh completely let's let's move on because this is kind of getting cyclical i'm gonna ask nick

01:49:46.780 is transgenderism a mental illness oh yeah i think you know by definition you know what do they call it

01:49:54.220 gender dysphoria i mean by definition it is and people say well the remedy to gender dysphoria is

01:50:00.600 the so-called gender transition i just don't think that such a thing can be achieved i think you're born

01:50:07.520 what you are um you know and people can make modifications they change the way they dress

01:50:12.780 they modify their body with surgeries or hormones it just makes that person what they were with the

01:50:19.620 modifications you know if they were a man now you're a man with long hair you were you were a

01:50:25.120 woman now you're a woman with short hair and a mustache you know and and that's why almost all the

01:50:30.640 time you can clock them you know and there are some that are pretty good at hiding it there's some

01:50:35.280 that are pretty deceptive uh but for the most part the the way we find it funny is because you see

01:50:41.580 like a six foot five guy who's 400 pounds grabbing a guy by the collar of his jacket and saying you do

01:50:48.060 not film me you know if you saw that tiktok it's like okay like is that that's not very ladylike like

01:50:53.260 that that guy did not become a woman obviously uh it's a guy in a dress so i i just don't i think

01:50:59.480 we're born a gender i think gender is an essential immutable unchangeable part of who we are

01:51:05.400 it's a self-deception when people say they've transformed i don't think that's possible

01:51:09.840 let's start with isaac is transgenderism a mental illness

01:51:14.620 um i do think that um a lot of people who you know become transgender they are grappling with

01:51:22.140 thoughts about you know the gender that they are and societal expectations but i feel like that's

01:51:27.180 something that a lot of people go through like living up to societal expectations and just because

01:51:31.380 they took it took an effort to feel comfortable in their own body does not mean they have a mental

01:51:35.960 illness they're it's just part of the human condition you know wanting to feel um good in

01:51:41.240 your own skin um so if you call transgenderism a mental illness then you would have to call anybody

01:51:46.800 else that decides to change something about themselves to feel better mentally ill and we you

01:51:51.760 know it's just not productive to you know call everyone you disagree with mentally ill burnout go

01:51:57.200 ahead and then i want to hear from heaven um so i believe that obviously this is an individual

01:52:05.600 choice and the only person that should be speaking on it is the person who feels like they are who they

01:52:11.680 are and if they want to transition that is their decision but i do have experiences with friends who

01:52:18.520 have gone through that and they said that well they don't feel any different after they feel like

01:52:24.320 they just cut their genitals off for no reason or added genitals for a reason and it really just has

01:52:30.080 to do with society because you can be whatever gender you want as long as you think about it like

01:52:36.940 you don't actually have to have the parts if you want to be a dude go be a dude it's all up to

01:52:43.460 what you feel about yourself mentally and i don't think that it's a mental illness i think the

01:52:48.740 repercussions and the way that society pushes on you to fit this cookie cutter um blueprint of

01:52:55.760 what is defined as a woman and a man is really the problem there not mental illness okay let me

01:53:02.600 ask you a follow the question burnout before we go on to the next one burnout can a human become a dog

01:53:06.820 god what that's that's just crazy be fair i'm sorry i'm sorry but be fair

01:53:13.940 um to answer that question actually think about furries

01:53:22.460 excuse me this is aiding speaking can i become black

01:53:26.280 absolutely not you guys are basically like changing the subject gender and race is not

01:53:32.500 interchangeably your physical self are not human construct gender is you can't become black because

01:53:38.260 black it's a physical trait that is inherent to you gender gender gender is physical isn't it

01:53:44.500 no it's not gender is physical but gender is not wait okay so i have a question i and i'm i'm generally

01:53:52.420 just asking so the the physical part of gender is a penis and a vagina correct no no actually no it's

01:54:00.380 much more complicated there's secondary sex characteristics like when you see a person on

01:54:05.420 the street you're not seeing their genitals but you're seeing things that we associate with one

01:54:09.500 gender uh expression or the other like breasts and hair and all those things are the ways that

01:54:15.120 we identify people because we're not seeing people's genitals okay i have a question um wait

01:54:20.380 isaac you did just say yes when i asked that what did you were you saying yes did you agree with me

01:54:25.920 no i was basically trying to say that's more complex than that like genitals are you don't see

01:54:33.080 people's general just like jasmine said um people identify like in passing you see a woman you see

01:54:39.280 a man but that's society speaking that's not something that is um physical um a woman is a very

01:54:46.840 complex thing a man is a very complex thing gender is different than sex now somebody could be born

01:54:52.780 a sex that is physical but gender itself he she um day whatever that is a human construct that has no

01:55:01.900 basis with biology whatsoever no let nick nick go ahead and elaborate off of um if you if you believe

01:55:08.360 in my argument nick that uh if basically they're saying that they could just switch their their gender

01:55:13.120 then i can become black if you can you know you google off basically what you want to say but

01:55:16.480 they're basically just saying it's not a physical uh gender is not physical yeah well i uh you know

01:55:22.620 some days i feel black i'm gonna put on blackface i'm gonna curl my hair i'm gonna start

01:55:29.600 talking like this i'm gonna you know i'm gonna start talking like a black person i'm gonna

01:55:34.160 sag my pants and stuff you know because it makes me feel comfortable in my body i woke up

01:55:38.760 i felt black and who is to tell me it's my body society can't come and tell me what i'm gonna do

01:55:45.640 who are you to judge and you know maybe race is biological on some level but race is also a social

01:55:53.580 construct i mean what is black black people have brown skin what is blackness it's our conception

01:55:59.300 of what blackness is who's to say i can't go out and modify my appearance to make myself more

01:56:04.400 comfortable you'd be okay with that halloween i'm going out as richard pryor halloween i'm going out

01:56:09.520 as barack obama i'm going out as barack hussein obama with the birth certificate and everything

01:56:13.620 point is like we can create arbitrary categories to separate them from biological reality we could say well

01:56:21.400 no no penis and vagina is sex man and woman is gender you're just creating an arbitrary category

01:56:28.900 we all know gender and sex are the same thing gender is an expression of sex male and female are

01:56:34.960 biological categories they want to introduce this other category and then when it's indefensible say

01:56:40.420 well it's really just about what makes them comfortable so are we debating whether people

01:56:44.460 should be able to express themselves are we debating you know whether there are men and women i think

01:56:48.640 everybody knows there's men and women at this point if you want to if you want to find it

01:56:53.000 please okay my parents my mom was pregnant with me i could not pop out as a white person or a black

01:57:01.360 person or a mexican person that's that was decided when they are both asian and they had sex and

01:57:09.140 wait you're asian i am asian yes um and i want to say there are intersex people that exist there are

01:57:16.880 people that have both um and i want to say that uh what was i going but yeah that that was the main

01:57:24.500 point that i wanted to get off like the that you can like transracialism that was from like rachel

01:57:31.060 dozal um there's like maybe four or five people that like really consider them transracial and her

01:57:37.420 family went out against her because she did not grow up around that area she grew up with a white

01:57:41.560 family normal white family um that was what she was and she decided that she wanted to be

01:57:46.240 transracial but that's not really a thing that's throughout history all throughout history there

01:57:49.660 have been trans people that have existed so that's just a newer thing that people are using now

01:57:55.460 and same with like the being an animal like yeah like when my parents had sex and i was conceived

01:58:02.200 i can't come out as a dog so that's what i have to say wait but i have a question so you know the uh

01:58:09.820 um what is the name the uh jazz the boobs uh the person she said she said that when we see someone

01:58:20.180 walking down the street we don't know that they have a penis and balls or they have a vagina

01:58:24.400 it's a secondary expression okay i'll raise you one let's say i get my eyes surgically modified i get my

01:58:32.340 eyes stone like this and i'm walking down the street and let's say i go let's say i put like some fine

01:58:38.100 black hair i get like a mustache like this and i say oh you know hello you know and somebody says

01:58:43.800 that guy's asian that's an asian man are you gonna say well you don't know my parents are both white

01:58:49.300 my parents are both white racism isn't essential race you don't know that i'm chinese just because

01:58:56.000 my eyes look like this and i have a fine black fu manchu mustache and i'm wearing a straw hat you don't

01:59:02.020 know that so again it's like we all know these once you start applying them to other categories

01:59:08.060 we all realize you actually can't change just like you can't you can't change your race which is

01:59:12.100 essential you can't change your species which is essential you can't change your gender which is

01:59:16.660 essential but there's this argument you know we're going to create another category if you feel like a

01:59:21.660 thing you're the thing yeah that only works if you make the thing a new category i can stand in the

01:59:28.240 garage it doesn't make me a car what if i say car knit what is a car a car is transportation i could

01:59:33.600 walk down the street and go like this i'm a car it's like you're imitating a car but you're not a

01:59:38.820 car you're imitating a dog you're not a dog you're imitating a black person oh shit you know you're not

01:59:43.740 you can imitate a woman you're not a woman so it's imitation with word games in the middle

01:59:48.840 can i respond hold on christine quickly and then burnout go ahead um because you said that being

01:59:57.400 gay wasn't a choice so i wonder how there the difference is being trans is choice but being

02:00:02.000 gay isn't a choice well um you know it's a behavior it's a it's a predisposition to a behavior

02:00:09.060 so i think some people are predisposed to some things some people are predisposed to other things

02:00:14.320 and that's unchangeable burnout go ahead if you feel like you can make something up why

02:00:20.180 why is it that you can make something up and it be true and if a thought that differs from what you

02:00:27.300 think can't be true like what makes you think that you're the right one like you're saying everything

02:00:32.520 that's so correct in the world when there's live proof that differs well that's the point of the

02:00:38.540 debate so we all come to we all disagree on the issue and then we come together and then we argue

02:00:43.040 back and forth and then people can determine what's more convincing and then that's

02:00:49.140 you don't have to uh mansplain what a debate is to me

02:00:52.220 mansplain well you asked me you said well but you know what do people disagree it's like that

02:01:00.740 this is facts if you know that things are made up you're saying that gender is made up if that was

02:01:07.120 the case then we wouldn't even have man and woman we would just call each other chromosome x and

02:01:12.800 chromosome y like good point

02:01:16.360 it's true

02:01:19.680 we were debating that we're agreeing like what's like what's like here's because look what we call

02:01:28.280 male is the active well i mean there's a lot of things you call male but it's it's the active

02:01:34.660 partner that fertilizes the egg with the x and y chromosome with the penis and balls

02:01:39.940 what transgender people are saying is well no man is really there's there's two levels of man there's

02:01:47.320 the level of man which is a discrete reality and then there's a level of man which we all imagine

02:01:53.500 and that's what we call man and you know manness is different from being a man and it's like again

02:01:59.800 you you can again a woman can imitate what a man is and then call herself a man and we can say

02:02:07.920 well the person that is a man and the person that's imitating a man are both men but it doesn't change

02:02:13.860 the fact that one is and one is imitating there is a you know one has a penis and one doesn't one has

02:02:18.920 the chromosomes and one doesn't one was born one way one was born another and then undertook a self-conscious

02:02:24.500 effort to imitate the other so that you know we can call it x y we could call it male we could call

02:02:30.400 it man we could call it all those things but it's we're still describing the same reality

02:02:34.140 that's semantics what'd you say yeah can jasmine talk she's been raising her hand yeah we'll go

02:02:44.140 finish with jasmine and we're going to the next we have a good we have guys we're gonna have to go

02:02:47.120 to the next topic but jasmine go ahead yeah i was just gonna say like i'm not arguing and i don't

02:02:52.540 know if other people on the panel are that a cis woman and a transgender woman are the same i don't

02:02:56.600 think they're the same but i think they would both be under the umbrella term of woman because when a

02:03:01.540 person has the secondary sex characteristics and you see them as a woman to say that they are the

02:03:06.720 same thing as a man just doesn't make sense and the culture does matter i'll even agree with you with

02:03:10.720 race i know people from so many parts of the world like my boyfriend was just in africa and over

02:03:15.300 here he's considered black um over there he's too light and he's considered not he's considered i forgot what

02:03:21.480 he said it it is but in some i'm iranian some people consider me a person of color and some

02:03:26.960 don't the culture that you live in also affects your the way people perceive you and that is part

02:03:32.400 of the story great do you have any clothes is there anything to respond to here nick or we can go to

02:03:38.000 the next subject yeah i just uh you know the idea that like a what makes a woman a woman is her

02:03:46.400 biology you know taking taking the reproductive faculty from a woman is to take the womanness

02:03:51.880 from her well i mean what's a woman without uh the fact that she is a biological woman a mother

02:03:57.760 has a vagina uterus and you know of course there are women that are born without those things but i

02:04:02.200 think everyone agree that's that's one of those essential things having long hair not necessarily

02:04:07.080 essential wearing a dress not necessarily essential we'd all agree that what makes a man a man and a

02:04:12.200 woman a woman are those things you can't put them under the umbrella because they dress like them

02:04:16.360 just like you know same thing with a car would we if you have a red car in the garage would you

02:04:21.540 say that what makes a car a car is that it has a coat of red paint and windows or that it has an

02:04:26.020 engine you know it's like the engine is what makes the car the car so it's a horseless carriage that's

02:04:30.640 what a car is you take away that essential component is no longer that thing you know you you could

02:04:36.460 push a rock in the garage paint it red put a piece of glass on it put a radio and it wouldn't make

02:04:41.420 it a wouldn't make it a car because it lacked you say well they're both cars they're on the umbrella of car

02:04:46.120 there's cars with engines and then there's rocks that look like cars it's like you know but they're

02:04:50.020 lacking those essential ingredients and i think everyone knows that great let's move on to the

02:04:55.300 next subject i want to ask nick can white people say the n-word yes well yeah they can obviously they

02:05:02.520 can i say it all the time so great i want to start isaac you seem to disagree or can white people say

02:05:08.740 the n-word um anybody can do anything as long as it's not breaking the law so from a literal sense

02:05:16.680 yes white people can say the n-word but i question the reasoning behind wanting to say that word is

02:05:23.320 it to feel powerful to take back control that was you know that we took back from y'all because of that

02:05:29.640 word but all those scenarios aside a white person can say the n-word but i don't think it's right to

02:05:38.880 say the n-word burnout do you have anything should white people be able to say the n-word

02:05:44.840 being that um in a sense they kind of invented it um but the history behind it breeds

02:05:54.460 a huge understanding as to why you shouldn't say it i really don't understand why you would want to

02:06:01.720 say it other than to try to get a rise out of someone that it um oppressed so you can say it

02:06:09.340 but why why do you want to say it i don't me personally i don't think that you should if you

02:06:16.240 are really like a human being that have that wants to get over the hump of racism or wants to be

02:06:21.420 progressive i don't think that you should be doing that you're contradicting yourself

02:06:25.060 christine would it offend you if a white person said the n-word

02:06:29.880 listen so there are people that'll say oh like my black friends let me say the n-word or i gotta pass

02:06:37.280 well if you say that to the wrong crowd of people you might get jumped you might get killed and things

02:06:41.620 like that so it's not i mean i get caught ting-tong ling ling it's it's not even on the same level though

02:06:48.120 because of like the history behind the word and black people have got to reclaim that word for

02:06:52.120 themselves i don't see why people having the desire to claim ting-tong ling ling for them they just

02:06:57.840 call it that so i just yeah it's like yeah white people can say it but it's like you might have

02:07:04.600 black friends that co-opt that and love that for you but if you go to like the wrong area of town or

02:07:08.920 you go somewhere and you're willingly saying it you could get beat up killed all that stuff and so

02:07:13.900 that's on the white person heaven do you agree do you think that uh white people should fear being

02:07:19.460 killed or murdered if they say the n-word yes i think they should not not that except i'm just

02:07:26.140 no i'm that i'm definitely that extreme i feel like they should do that because it's a word

02:07:33.460 that like um everyone else has said on this um panel right now like the history behind it why would

02:07:40.900 you want to say a word that was created by your people to oppress another minority um i don't

02:07:48.240 even know why somebody would want to say that it's classless um and it's just yeah it's just not a good

02:07:53.680 word cheyenne uh let me ask you should white people fear getting beat up or murdered if they say the n-word

02:07:59.900 yes do you have an argument or just uh anything else add no i am gonna add obviously you're they're

02:08:12.240 gonna say it but to say it to like any other minority that is black or just to say oh

02:08:19.900 why do you want to say it that's the reason because someone's too slow across the crosswalk

02:08:31.960 someone cuts you off in traffic yeah but someone throws a bag of fritos out the window on the highway

02:08:38.440 you're like that's not really a reason and you just it comes out it comes flying out i disagree i

02:08:44.560 should fear for their lives for saying that that word however i do think a lot of white people um

02:08:51.700 they think they could just say whatever they want and there will be no repercussions now i'm not

02:08:55.680 advocating for them to hurt or anything but if you lose a sponsorship if you your friends distance

02:09:00.980 themselves from you if you get dropped from your job that is just a natural reaction to you saying

02:09:07.140 something that is not deemed appropriate in society so yes you can say that word but be ready to face

02:09:12.520 the consequences yeah i i agree with him i don't think anyone should be beat up for saying the word

02:09:18.080 i just think it's cringy but actually fighting words are not constitutionally protected by the first

02:09:23.440 amendment getting into a little lawyer talk but chaplinsky is the case and back then it was your

02:09:28.480 goddamn racketeer was considered a fighting word which meant that it was not protected speech so i'm

02:09:33.700 there hasn't been any cases recently on this but technically fighting words are not protected speech

02:09:38.420 and i wonder if in a context where someone uses that word if it would fall under that doctrine i

02:09:43.820 don't agree with that doctrine i don't think fighting words should be uh not protected personally but that

02:09:48.840 is what our laws are like right now nick before you respond uh jazz do you think somebody could earn

02:09:55.160 an n-word pass i just feel like listen i'm not for people not being able to say something or being able

02:10:02.940 to say words based on their identities i'm not for that i just think it's cringy like i've never

02:10:08.540 seen a non-black person especially a white person or someone that talks like me where that word like

02:10:14.600 rolls off the tongue and doesn't sound just gross and cringy um so i mean do i think anyone should get

02:10:20.500 a pass not really i just think people if they want to use it use it and the way you're perceived by society

02:10:24.760 is on you because you can't do it i think that when it comes to the n-word and other slurs

02:10:30.840 um it's a protected under free speech like a lot of conservatives like to say that oh i have to

02:10:36.460 free speech to do this yes you do but you also have you know to face the consequences so this isn't

02:10:42.220 a matter of like should white people can white people say the n-word of course they can but do

02:10:48.080 you still want to say that word knowing that you can your business will suffer your social reputation

02:10:53.100 will take a nosedive um i don't think people should fear for their life for saying that but

02:10:58.300 if you want to say that word and consequences come to you then that's just you you made your

02:11:03.720 bet so i'm not lying it go ahead christine that lily gaitis girl that gained a thousand 20 000

02:11:12.860 followers for saying the n-word on tiktok and she's getting paid by all these outlets to do interviews

02:11:17.860 there are white people yes you use the n-word and you will get loved by people on that side and and

02:11:23.660 welcomed into the right wing and the conservative side of twitter um so so that that's why i think

02:11:30.140 some people would would want to do that because they want to be edgy and they want to monetize

02:11:34.160 off of that because there are some people that agree with them think that it's funny and that

02:11:37.540 they'll do that so now she's getting hate by the same people she was appealing to so that never worked

02:11:42.960 out yeah exactly people are calling her jewish and things like that which go ahead and continue

02:11:48.260 showing ourselves i have no problem with that okay well before can i jump in here yeah god

02:11:52.620 yeah um yeah you know it is sort of crazy because you know this is a word that let's just stop

02:12:01.760 pretending it it is considered the same in any context if someone utters the word even if they

02:12:07.400 mean no harm even if it's not directed at a black person even if it's not directed in a derogatory way

02:12:12.700 uttering the word this is why we call it the n-word we can't even in in the context of this

02:12:18.240 conversation and there's a proposition should we say it should we not say it we're not even allowed

02:12:23.240 to utter the syllables because we all know we don't want that clip to go around because we get

02:12:27.720 canceled the only and and people on the panel say if you say it you should be struck down and killed

02:12:32.520 or beat up some not all and this is something a lot of people do believe you see videos on the

02:12:37.700 internet where it's like oh this guy said the n-word then this guy hit him with a skateboard and

02:12:41.440 knocked him out that was awesome he had it coming the only other entity that i can think of where

02:12:47.760 p to this day people say you should be killed if you offend them is god like that if you commit

02:12:54.860 blasphemy in certain cultures they'll kill you and that's on the same level today in the same way

02:13:01.160 that christians won't say gd they won't say that because it's blasphemy it's a sin you go to hell

02:13:07.560 you have to go to confession it's like that today with the n-word which like children we have to like

02:13:14.120 the f word the oh i said the s word we still have to say the n-word and i think this speaks to the

02:13:19.540 level of the whole country as we all know is walking around on eggshells not to offend the black people

02:13:27.220 we all know you can offend white people hispanics you can offend asians you can keep discrimination and

02:13:34.320 racism on arabs muslims even jews on some level but we all know black people careful what you say

02:13:41.720 or else you'll be canceled if you're not in good standing if you don't have the stamp of approval

02:13:45.780 you'll get shouted down and i think it's totally ridiculous um so i i totally oppose it i think that

02:13:52.600 you know look it's a word sticks and stones break my bones etc people get called retard people get

02:13:59.700 called all kinds of other things people get called people can say things that are even meaner that are

02:14:04.960 more personal but for some reason blacks are this protected class you can't say their special word

02:14:10.120 i think it's total joke i think that if whites and blacks want to live together in harmony there has to be

02:14:15.980 a real mutual basis of equality nobody's ever said that there's things off limits you could say about

02:14:21.480 white people jamie foxx can go on snl and say i play jango i get to kill a lot of white people which is

02:14:27.720 pretty awesome you're talking about killing white people on tv that's fine you utter the syllables of

02:14:32.880 a slur suddenly you're a racist like uh michael or what's his name um kramer from seinfeld it's

02:14:39.800 totally insane it's got to go and and by the way that's for the benefit i think of both people in

02:14:45.060 the whole country uh both peoples blacks and whites i think we should be able to say it and it's funny

02:14:50.000 so i wanted to real quick guys this is aiden speaking so it was my birthday a year ago i was on stage

02:14:55.940 with chief keith and we were rapping together don't like um i asked chief keith on stage with

02:15:01.040 him i said can i say it you sure you sure he says yes i ended up rapping the lyric and i said the n-word

02:15:06.540 do you guys think there's anything wrong with that i think like do you want to go man go ahead okay um

02:15:14.800 that is a very interesting way of thinking that oh because it's in a song it makes it okay everybody

02:15:22.120 likes to ignore the history that should be the first thing that should come to your mind when you

02:15:27.800 think about the n-word and its origin it's just not like a light word we know that the n-word was

02:15:35.200 made to oppress us taking the n-word back was us reclaiming our power you were trying to say that

02:15:42.820 you using the n-word is funny is you taking a whole population and their history and the abuse

02:15:48.680 that you put them through and you classify them as a joke and then to sit there and be like oh

02:15:54.620 it's going to breed equality if we can say it no it won't what's going to breed equality is you

02:16:02.400 listening in to black people hearing their their um preference when it comes to something that

02:16:09.340 oppresses them that have painted their history for years because of the actions of others

02:16:15.900 and take into account and respect that because if we can respect not to say cracker or offend other

02:16:22.680 any other race but burnout real quick if you want if everyone wants equality so shouldn't everyone be

02:16:30.120 able to say any word they want because think about it if you're why are you trying to like equate

02:16:36.240 equality to saying words and not basic human things like the the right to food the right to home like

02:16:43.100 you're trying to make something fit where it does not have any prevalence okay well because you feel

02:16:51.040 like i just had a question i just had a question i just had a question if if you guys if you guys in

02:16:55.840 here thought it was wrong for me after getting permission three times to rap on stage with chief

02:17:00.720 keith to his i mean he doesn't speak for the entire community community of black people i'm glad you

02:17:06.400 got to say and you felt good but he don't speak for me i love cheeky but he don't speak for me

02:17:11.180 or anybody i know okay so you guys i'm sorry real quick so is there you guys do have an issue if white

02:17:18.700 people rap along lyrics um to songs if we're constantly telling you the history behind this and

02:17:26.360 you know the history because it's from your ancestors why do you want to go through that

02:17:31.020 you you personally did not i look we are still recovering from the repercussions okay what about

02:17:36.860 the holocaust and jews i'm just asking you a question i didn't go through the holocaust i didn't

02:17:41.720 personally go through the holocaust you didn't but you can respect that the holocaust was was like

02:17:46.380 really devastating to jewish people right yes you can respect that so why doesn't it doesn't believe the

02:17:51.840 holocaust even happen right well no that was a whole different thing forget that but aiden but

02:17:57.780 if you can respect that population of people have been oppressed for so long and went through

02:18:03.080 something so traumatic why is it so hard for you to be like oh well my question is this i think we

02:18:08.740 need to be consistent i'm not trying to speak for any i'm jewish right and you guys are black

02:18:13.660 you guys went through slavery went through the holocaust pretty much similar things so listen no

02:18:17.820 i wouldn't say that but go ahead i said similar i said similar in many ways okay so my question is

02:18:24.240 this if we want equality in the world we shouldn't be able to be like all right this specific group of

02:18:29.240 people cannot do this but these people can if you want ever to be equal we all got to be equal

02:18:33.660 i'm not telling you that's the thing i'm not telling you what to do i'm asking for respect if i can

02:18:39.900 respect your jewish heritage and what you went through why is it so hard for you to respect my heritage

02:18:46.680 and what my people went through even though i didn't go through it personally and you didn't

02:18:49.920 go through the holocaust personally i can respect that and not say anti-semitic things to you just

02:18:55.940 because it's in a song you don't hear people saying oh i can say cuck i can say this that other because

02:19:00.900 it's in a song you don't hear that that's you wanting that privilege because you want to be aligned

02:19:07.100 with something that you're not aligned with huh okay so good point like for example if in the song

02:19:12.900 they said like you know hitler nigga that's the nigga that i like you know you wouldn't like that

02:19:18.820 if they said they liked the song they would hate that i would also add italians never called them

02:19:23.920 the n-word we call them melignans that means eggplant we call them melignans we call them shines

02:19:28.160 because they shine we didn't call them the n-word and also italians were discriminated against too

02:19:33.500 italians were lynched evil racist against italians italians never owned slaves italians got here in the

02:19:40.080 19th centuries you're telling me i oppressed people i didn't impress anybody i didn't impress

02:19:45.600 anybody what do you mean we're talking about mexico and you're bringing up italian people for what

02:19:51.800 for what you basically talk about um us being um triggered over words but i feel like a lot of

02:19:58.200 conservatives get triggered just as as easily if we call you guys trigger me i'm not talking specifically

02:20:04.420 you but i remember you guys boycotting people because they call trump supporters deplorables

02:20:08.920 or you'll boycott another company because they said this thing they said that so i think that both

02:20:14.820 people like everyone has the free right under the constitution to boycott and the free market take

02:20:21.100 place whenever someone does something or says something that the the country does not approve of

02:20:25.580 so i think it's very hypocritical that you're saying oh black people don't let me say this when you guys

02:20:31.620 will be quick to boycott us if we said something y'all didn't like that's literally just how society works

02:20:37.000 and there's nothing wrong about it yeah i'm just arguing people should be able to say it i i agree

02:20:42.660 i mean people can react how they want but i'd also add you're canceling us do you not think that people

02:20:48.400 should be canceled for saying the n-word yes or no no absolutely not then you're against the free

02:20:54.240 market then so you're basically contradicting your point that people should be able to because i don't

02:20:59.020 think there's anything morally wrong with saying a word i think that if um if a person and by the

02:21:04.780 way i'll i'll just say i think if a person has demonstrated that they hate another race i think

02:21:11.340 that's wrong i you know as a catholic i think that's wrong but saying a word in in any context

02:21:17.880 like aiden said you could say it as part of a song and i may not be a little edgy whatever i make a joke

02:21:21.880 about it but saying a word in the context of a song is obviously harmless you're singing the song you

02:21:27.720 say the words in a song you like the artist you say the word in the song but you know we've seen

02:21:33.000 legitimately people get shut down because you know on tiktok when they do the lip syncing they do this

02:21:38.380 when they do the n-word they say you know when the n-word comes up they do this because it's like even

02:21:42.040 lip not even saying it but lip syncing it as part of a song people consider so immoral that they'll get

02:21:48.340 contracts taken and everything like that i don't think there's anything inherently wrong with uttering a

02:21:52.580 word even if you might find it offensive and you know again context is everything if someone is

02:21:57.460 using it in a super derogatory way because they hate black people or something like that that's i

02:22:03.020 think that is different than people that say it when they're discussing it people would say it in a

02:22:07.740 song it it is a term of endearment among the black people same as true of other slurs gay people call

02:22:13.080 each other faggots women call each other bitches uh i'm sure retards call each other retards or

02:22:17.960 something you know that's just society what what's really going on with the n-word is it's more about

02:22:23.440 this social station that blacks occupy where and you can sit there and say well i don't think they

02:22:29.600 should be beat up but you know just like chief keith doesn't speak for all black people you don't

02:22:34.260 either a lot of black people take that as a sign i can kill i can punch i can i can maim somebody i

02:22:40.740 think that's wrong heaven i want to ask you a question isaac before you go uh to include more

02:22:45.720 people heaven you said earlier that uh people should expect to be beat up or murdered if they say the

02:22:49.620 word is it the same repercussions that they say the soft a versus the hard r

02:22:53.780 you know um me personally i just feel like they shouldn't say it at all um i was raised a little

02:23:02.720 different as a black person like yeah i can say it but my family didn't let me say it i feel like

02:23:09.240 it's i really do feel like it's just like classless and tasteless to say um i feel like if you want to

02:23:16.480 say that word like everybody else has said on the panel like just see expect whatever that

02:23:21.560 happened happened you know um my stance is still the same i don't think anybody should say it but

02:23:28.640 is it equal if nick said the soft a versus the hard r is it the same level of offensive yes okay isaac go

02:23:36.580 ahead yeah i just think that um i i i agree with the statement that people should be able to say

02:23:43.920 whatever they want what i have a problem with is that nick suenta seems to be of the opinion that

02:23:49.200 whenever they face consequences for saying something that's socially unacceptable that that's wrong

02:23:54.300 people practice their free speech and boycotting or calling somebody out or you know getting fired or

02:24:01.280 you know something bad happening to them that isn't against the law that is perfectly fine so you can say

02:24:06.860 the n-word all you want but do not be surprised when you face societal repercussion for that that's just how

02:24:12.000 the world works right burnout can i ask you is it the same level of offensive if a white person said

02:24:17.680 the soft a versus the hard r i definitely take more offense to the hard r um but the if you want to use

02:24:26.700 the like a i'm just gonna look at you like you know you're not a person that would deem of like

02:24:31.980 you know viable character like i'm not you're not really somebody out of respect just off of the

02:24:39.340 strength of that i wouldn't look at you twice i wouldn't consider you like as a person like i

02:24:46.140 wouldn't really give you much i just would be like oh and move on because it doesn't really deserve

02:24:51.680 attention when people who know the history behind it want to say it still even on that and in the

02:25:00.240 proximity of black people it's either out of wanting to be down or wanting to get a rise and

02:25:06.380 in any type of situation you're not you're gonna get neither for me like i don't really care to like

02:25:12.220 integrate myself into that type of relationship with anyone especially especially if we've spoken

02:25:21.000 about it if you know where i stand and you still choose to do it so okay it sounds like uh any closing

02:25:28.140 thoughts on this subject i think people are going to do what they want like i said there's going to

02:25:35.060 be people like lily gatus and stuff that are going to make platforms and money and off of it because

02:25:40.180 they have that community of people that think that it's funny and edgy and that have the right to do

02:25:44.180 so same with like i do see like the r word is like going back like i see it all the time i tell i don't

02:25:50.080 agree with it i don't like saying it but it's something that is being normalized again and i think

02:25:54.600 that's just something that we're just going to keep seeing evolve in that aspect um there's going

02:25:59.080 to be people that still are okay with it there are going to be some people that think that it's okay

02:26:01.840 there's going to be some people that will think that they can give a pass and it's just it's just

02:26:06.540 what it is okay i think we can move on to the next subject go ahead you want to ask nick if there's

02:26:11.480 no i don't think it because we pretty much hit this nick do you have anything yeah no i think we've

02:26:16.500 kind of been over it okay we have like one more well we have we have one more subject it's actually a

02:26:21.100 great one i want to it's a two-parter so i want everyone to go in order would you say you're

02:26:26.280 happy in life right now and then the second point of the question is do you believe that depression is

02:26:30.400 real let's start with nick uh yeah i'm happy i'm pretty content i think that um you know you have to

02:26:42.740 love life as it is i don't i don't believe in this um people say happy they mean they want to feel

02:26:48.840 good all the time i think it's really more about loving life when it's you know whatever it gives

02:26:54.340 you whether it's uh temporary fleeting happiness or the other stuff you have to love all of it

02:26:58.900 so i would say i'm happy as far as depression is concerned um i definitely think it's real the

02:27:05.360 question is how prevalent is it i think that you know people say they're depressed i think they have

02:27:11.860 a lot of other problems i think they're socially dislocated i think maybe they're feeling grief

02:27:15.920 lonely you know i think a lot of things are called depression it's kind of just become synonymous

02:27:20.420 with like chronic negative emotion but i don't know you know people treat it like a mental illness

02:27:25.820 i think it's i think it's real mental illness would say nothing's causing it i think the grief and

02:27:31.580 loneliness chronic negative feelings that people have especially now i think there's a very real reason

02:27:38.640 for it and i think that you know if their lives were different they wouldn't be depressed

02:27:42.720 now if depression were real illness that wouldn't be the case i and i think depression is real but

02:27:47.320 i think it's far it's far more rare than it's diagnosed who wants to respond first anyone

02:27:53.280 i'll say i'm happy i think happiness is a choice and i think gratitude has to do a lot with it

02:28:02.640 um depression is real and i think it wasn't as common uh before things like social media or like

02:28:15.460 the wealth gap and things of that nature i don't think it was that prevalent but i did think it existed

02:28:22.400 i think it's real but it's more so a mental state because it's it's just feeling more so that you are

02:28:31.400 hopeless and that's a feeling but some people get stuck in that feeling and that's when depression

02:28:36.300 develops and i feel like maybe i want to say that um it's solvable by just practicing gratitude

02:28:45.480 but that is more personal to me rather than i can't just apply that to everybody

02:28:51.380 isa go ahead yeah i would i would say i would say i agree with nick um i think i'm content um i do think

02:29:00.340 a lot of people are chasing a fleeting sense of like spark and whenever it dies down a little bit

02:29:05.600 they start to think oh like life is not worth it or anything but i think you do need to appreciate

02:29:10.680 even the little things about life um as part as for depression i do think that depression is real

02:29:16.500 but it is like there there are two sides to it there's like environmental aspects where

02:29:22.180 you know somebody loses their job they're in a tough financial situation that can lead them to

02:29:26.680 being depressed and then there are a lot of other people who have everything going for now

02:29:31.220 they are depressed but we don't know why so and i do believe that a lot of people get falsely

02:29:37.940 diagnosed with depression sometimes it's temporary like situational and sometimes it's just sadness

02:29:43.660 but depression as a whole it is real but whether it's environmentally um based or something that's

02:29:51.160 inherent to that specific person that's up for debate

02:29:53.760 do we have a point of contention everybody christine go ahead

02:29:59.760 oh um yeah i was i was on the same page as everyone i i just think that being content is more

02:30:05.400 important because there are people that kind of seek more and more to be happy or need more and more

02:30:11.600 to be happy whether it's money or like they're seeking fame or whatever it is um but there are

02:30:16.660 definitely people that have that it can be genetic that people within their family have suffered

02:30:21.260 through like psychiatric episodes and several mental illnesses and it is up to the individual

02:30:27.020 of course to whether they self-medicate um but there's other people that that cope with it not

02:30:32.180 through medication but like by drinking or in unhealthy ways or by like going to the gym people are like

02:30:36.440 just go to the gym like you'll feel better so

02:30:38.620 um i would say that yeah i agree with kind of sentiment everyone has shared i do think that

02:30:48.440 depression does have a genetic and environmental component we do know that people can have genetic

02:30:52.660 predispositions to it which proves that there is some type of genetic component to it but i do think

02:30:57.380 a lot of it is environmental and when we're seeing rate like rates rise really high like they are right now

02:31:02.660 it can very well be attributed to lack of community lack of personal relationships there's a really good book

02:31:08.020 by johan harry called lost connections that really goes into this being socio-economically depressed

02:31:13.100 or being not able to support yourself not finding meaning in your job all of these things can affect

02:31:18.860 you getting depressed right and there's obviously an epigenetic component and all of that so it's not

02:31:24.300 super easy so there's a lot of nuance to it but yeah i wouldn't make it a black and white thing but i do

02:31:29.840 think it obviously exists also i have to go um so yeah this started a little later

02:31:37.880 and i had plans uh that i can't cancel so uh if i could exit gracefully i'd appreciate it

02:31:44.640 likewise i'm gonna have to go as well great yeah we're gonna ask for closing statements here of

02:31:50.120 anything uh nick do you have a closing statement do you guys uh you know have the same opinions

02:31:53.720 or did you learn anything clothing clothing closing thoughts wait we got ahead uh heaven and um

02:32:01.920 and uh shiana do you have anything they've been pretty quiet yeah i was you said goodbye

02:32:09.840 guys i'm aware hold on a second everyone everyone is we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna basically

02:32:16.540 uh we're just gonna say final words to close this thing off um i appreciate everyone's time and all

02:32:21.680 you guys were awesome you guys just want to say like something that you guys have learned or

02:32:25.360 something that you highly want to emphasize on your your closing statement go ahead we'll start with

02:32:29.780 you burnout go ahead um i just want to say thank you for letting me express my thoughts um i respect

02:32:37.900 everybody's disposition or their right to have the disposition because i don't agree with everything

02:32:44.840 um and i don't know just thank you for giving me a space to express thoughts that differ from

02:32:50.820 what you usually be gone for sure all right nick do you have anything to say to her

02:32:56.960 uh no well i'll i'll address the whole group but yeah thanks for joining the panel thank you for

02:33:03.920 having me i hope you have a good night and think about what happened here

02:33:09.280 burnout do you can you give nick the n-word pass before you leave absolutely fucking not come on

02:33:20.000 isaac can you give nick can you give nick one n-word pass yeah but i'm gonna have to charge you

02:33:25.680 no you tried it isaac next time

02:33:30.240 heaven do you give nick the n-word pass

02:33:36.900 um no i do not

02:33:40.640 i know isaac's gonna give it to me he's already come on i will say that

02:33:46.560 i think he did most of y'all get to me is a

02:33:48.880 all right i guess i'll have to say it illegally no pass i'm going in with no pass

02:33:56.660 i mean don't kill me i mean you already did it you don't have you already said it you don't need

02:34:02.600 to pass yeah you already said it you asked for permission for you already did it yeah thank you

02:34:09.080 for having us on um i think uh nick you're really good yeah you're really good at um verbalizing your

02:34:14.840 thoughts i disagree with it you know a lot but you know i could see why you have such a large following

02:34:21.080 but um i do think a lot of your arguments were weak you lacked evidence but you were good at saying

02:34:27.880 it so i'll give you that thanks why i appreciate you being a good sport thank you um i want to tell

02:34:35.080 my sister about it she's like oh yeah people like that shouldn't have a platform but like you said

02:34:38.280 you already do have a platform um so yeah i do appreciate that we were able to keep it respectful

02:34:44.020 i don't think it got too heated or anything like that and um yeah we agree on something so you know

02:34:49.660 like the pro-palace side and then also on the depression is real and that gay is so um yeah it was

02:34:56.480 very interesting thank you thank you guys yeah thank you okay um have a good night everybody

02:35:03.980 thank you guys all right nick hang out here real quick nick okay all right so long guys thank you

02:35:10.020 all right nick we're gonna just put our camera on one second sweet uh chat who won that chat who won

02:35:18.340 chat let me see you guys do a w rl it's pretty clear we're the feminists annihilated yeah that was uh

02:35:26.440 we had to change some of the questions during the conversation because it was pretty clear that

02:35:30.480 they didn't really know what they were talking about so we made it more like juvenile and simple

02:35:35.180 i think like starting off with kamala trump was kind of it was not the right idea so i tried to make

02:35:39.440 it more comedic towards the end it's they didn't really have much most of the time they just said i

02:35:44.100 feel like i'm like yeah they should vote but they didn't present any arguments and even they got

02:35:48.400 offended there wasn't there wasn't much going on from that i was i was disappointed with the

02:35:52.360 with the panel how did you feel it was fun they were good sports about it but i don't think in

02:35:59.480 fairness i don't think uh they were debaters you know like dean too even though he's crying and

02:36:04.640 everything and you know he's right up with me me and him are two n-word sayers we're unpermitted

02:36:09.700 n-word sayers undocumented n-word users uh you know at least he he's like a debate bro this is what he

02:36:16.780 does it's he's in his element to his credit um you know these girls they they came they shared

02:36:22.100 their opinions they shared their thoughts and it's like isaac said i do this for a living i express my

02:36:26.680 opinion for a living i think they um it was more casual for them but you know i appreciated coming

02:36:31.880 on i thought it was a good conversation and it's good to flesh out the topics i think they

02:36:37.060 represent what everybody thinks about the issues i think in that way it was balanced i represent kind

02:36:43.620 of the opposite view and i'm really not trying to score slam dunks and say oh well i got you in my

02:36:50.060 trap i'm trying to get people think about a totally different way of thinking in the sense that you know

02:36:55.680 you could see so much of the talk is well everyone should vote everyone that everyone has rights women

02:37:01.140 have rights everybody has these unexamined assumptions about how the world is and how it

02:37:06.020 should be and the job is less to say oh hey republicans are right vote republican it's more about

02:37:12.300 maybe we need to examine our fundamental assumptions about the world and you know these liberal views

02:37:17.300 we all have about the world so that's what i tried to do i thought i thought they were very fair they

02:37:22.920 were all good sports none of them were personal none of them got offended to their credit so i thought

02:37:28.380 it was a good debate i thought it was fun i think you were expecting that and so was i i was expecting

02:37:31.920 to get a little dirty i think you started that way like saying like oh let's get a man on to fix the

02:37:36.160 mic and all this and then you realize that it was pretty you know that this was just a conversation

02:37:40.520 to get them thinking that was the more important strategy when did you realize to shift your your

02:37:45.100 debate strategy oh well you know towards the end it was kind of like i could it was slowing down a

02:37:52.620 little so i was like we gotta we gotta just get some content in there it's so cheap but it's like i i'll

02:37:58.340 say the n-word i know we're all expecting it i know that's what everybody wants to see i was like i'll

02:38:02.600 fucking do it i'll fucking do it again i'll say it and i'll throw uh you know the other guy in there

02:38:07.280 yeah so i was like yeah we gotta do it for the content it can't all just be like wholesome chungus

02:38:13.220 you know mike turned to talk we got you know we had to throw some none of them took the bait i'm a

02:38:18.520 little disappointed i threw out moulin yon i threw out shine i was thinking someone's gonna take

02:38:23.140 the bait they were all pretty disciplined i tried to i shifted the questions to get more of

02:38:27.640 debate because in the beginning it was too rhetorical and just everybody's speaking like a

02:38:31.720 classroom so i changed the questions to be more provocative and none of them really got

02:38:35.380 angry i mean at one point you said the word faggot and the asian girl just like she closed her eyes

02:38:39.980 and turned off her camera for a bit but that was it i mean isaac was the one isaac seemed like he was

02:38:44.640 swinging a bit but he seemed to agree with some of the stuff like where you we see an overlap is a

02:38:49.620 lot of the leftists agree with the pro-palestine stuff you're not really pro-palestine you're more

02:38:53.020 anti-israel but there's not that much contention because they have to concede when it comes to

02:38:58.140 christianity because they can see that your morality comes to christianity they don't want to argue that

02:39:02.340 and their morality is subjective so it kind of just reached a point where there's not much to

02:39:06.940 disagree about yeah i mean they're just the thing is the women aren't um they're not like gladiators

02:39:13.420 when you do a debate need gladiators that are going to go in and you know freak out and to to my point

02:39:19.360 about feminism they were all so agreeable it wasn't it was hardly even contentious it was civil and it

02:39:25.900 was barely contentious um they were just kind of expressing disagreement but like you said not really

02:39:31.020 making like a confrontational argument um so it was it is what it was the questions were good the

02:39:38.620 questions you were throwing up these like curveballs or softballs i should say to uh kind of get it

02:39:44.440 going but they were too nice so and i'm too nice everybody expects it i think it's also because i'm

02:39:50.140 handsome i'm handsome i have riz and i come in and you know if i was like charlie kirk and i was like

02:39:55.480 little human being you know maybe then it'd be easier for them to get angry but when i come in

02:40:00.760 i'm like hey what's up guys they're like we can't hate this guy this is a nice guy we like we don't

02:40:05.980 even when i'm saying the n-word they're like oh you oh stop you're being bad don't say the n-word you

02:40:12.340 know like so i can i can just say you know you you did great i i was a little underwhelmed as well

02:40:17.980 i thought the people were going to come with more shit um but nick i really do want to get you

02:40:21.940 that girl i want to try to convince her uh i believe it's noemi or something like that you

02:40:26.580 know i offered her twenty thousand dollars she still said no she's just thinking that it's not

02:40:31.020 going to do good there's not going to be good out of it i'm like look come on and try to change

02:40:34.880 people's opinions if you if you're so confident that you can in some way uh change people's opinions

02:40:39.100 that watch come do it and you get twenty thousand dollars um so i'm really trying to get somebody like

02:40:44.520 that um on here but you know also maybe even parker or someone like that i want to get you some

02:40:51.400 you know parker's the guy feeding um dean information in his ear um i want to get you

02:40:56.080 somebody i want to get you somebody who actually can hold their own ground at least come with

02:40:59.340 something he doesn't know the lore he brought up destiny when our mics were muted i had to tell

02:41:02.840 him about the fresh and fit debate and the whole lore and how many times like when you got unbanned

02:41:06.680 on twitter the twitter space it's like it's been done that debates happened a hundred times over

02:41:10.700 the past couple years so we want something new so open invite to challengers and let's get a little

02:41:16.420 spicier next time i mean nick i'm trying man a lot of people are running away man they don't want to

02:41:19.900 talk to you bro i know i've been trying for i'm calling out the conservatives too none of them

02:41:26.280 want to do it um so yeah i hear you man it's uh that's my that's my struggle if you will i will

02:41:32.500 vouch sort of like my struggle it's very difficult everyone watching it's true we've hit up so many

02:41:37.480 people nobody wants to talk to him nobody wants to do it everyone's running away they're like oh well

02:41:42.220 i don't know about that one i gotta check with my manager like it's like nobody wants to just

02:41:46.400 do it so i do that's why i do respect dean because at least he came on and at least you

02:41:51.980 know he you know you and i actually had a great debate in my opinion so i'm trying man and look

02:41:56.720 i'm gonna keep trying but we'll figure it out i want to see nick against conservatives aiden was

02:42:01.300 saying liberals but nick really wants to debate conservatives that you can give me give me three

02:42:05.780 give me three conservatives charlie kirk ben shapiro candace tommy robinson time give me

02:42:12.420 tommy robinson he's been calling me out he's not gonna do it he ran from dan bozerian dan bozerian's

02:42:17.060 not even a debater like this guy's i'll call i'll call him out anyway but him andrew clavin i debate

02:42:22.920 him i any dennis prager any of these guys they don't want to do it try man it's tough it's very

02:42:29.760 tough it's tougher than it looks i mean you would think that people would be down but it's just so hard

02:42:34.640 uh because people just they're they're not wanting to do it with you man

02:42:37.740 hmm true tail off and top being sanctioned they're boycotting divesting and sanctioning me it's sort

02:42:44.740 of hypocritical it's a little hypocritical but um but yeah no but it was fun i mean we just got to

02:42:50.200 find a worthy we got to find the clash of the titans the royal rumble we need like the wrestlemania

02:42:55.680 main event we need the belt we need the ring belt we need ladders you know this was um this was baby

02:43:02.340 baby match this was like a regular i don't even know it's like a wwe divas match anyone's been done

02:43:08.120 though it has been many times okay million times yeah all right i would love to get you hassan you

02:43:13.540 would never do it though he did it five years ago i would debate hassan well what'd you think about the

02:43:18.860 the keith daniel debate it was good um yeah that was a good debate but you know daniel represents kind

02:43:28.680 of like a unique position he's like a third worldist like muslim or something but um yeah i thought keith

02:43:35.460 handled that easily w keith woods but uh yeah i don't know it's tough because i am super controversial

02:43:42.340 but i'd like to debate a conservative so if there's any conservatives that like mid-level

02:43:48.000 conservatives independent enough to do it i'd i'd debate any of them trying to get it man it's tough

02:43:53.360 it's really really tough well what about the e-date we could definitely do that i'll get you some good

02:43:57.960 girls um we'll get you some good girls to go on an e-date with you that'd be fun not like that only

02:44:03.500 fans mud shark i mean what the hell was that she had her boobs hanging out the whole time were those

02:44:08.100 hickeys or veins i couldn't tell what those like those bruises were if there was like milk coming

02:44:12.300 out if she had uh hickeys all over but yeah as soon as she started plugging the of f i'm like we

02:44:16.920 should just kick her out but someone that was crazy everybody loves you nick my you wouldn't believe

02:44:21.880 how many texts i'm getting i love this guy nick nick's great this guy's fucking amazing it's an

02:44:26.240 honor man to really talk to you man i know look like i said man you and i you know people of my

02:44:31.200 you know race nationality might have issues with you but i like you i really do i think you're a

02:44:35.200 very solid guy you're a very solid individual i really agree with a lot of the stuff you say

02:44:38.740 um and it's great i you know nick you're thank you for again i'm glad that you and i could come

02:44:43.140 together and you know make some cool dope shit happen bro it's awesome likewise man i love your stream

02:44:49.200 you're a good guy you got a good heart and i don't care what anybody says you're one of the

02:44:53.340 good ones and we it promotes mutual understanding we're all american that's what we want to promote

02:44:57.980 we love our country we love god we love each other i see i see your groepers i like the groepers by

02:45:04.440 the way the ar lowes and the groepers like each other they're kind of similar in many ways but i see

02:45:08.600 them and they're saying you know what aiden does seem good and then somebody replies always they're like

02:45:13.280 just wait just wait he's gonna turn i want to just clear by saying that not all jews are bad

02:45:19.640 my brother snico here is jewish i'm not jewish you are by definition i'm not jewish i will never turn

02:45:26.000 on you nick fuentes i will never turn on you either i appreciate you you're uh you're good that's what

02:45:32.480 it's about we got to be good people you know so no hate no discrimination it's all love love speech

02:45:38.640 love speech community right love speech of course well um look nick i hope you have a great rest of

02:45:43.620 your night you let me know uh well i'll coordinate with you when we want to do this e-day or again if

02:45:48.100 any conservatives liberals if anybody if anybody wants to challenge come up and debate nick let's

02:45:52.920 do it uh everyone come on he's down to do anyone you know and think about nick i could vouch again it

02:45:58.400 could be like one hour before the debate you're just ready to go i i really that is crazy crazy okay

02:46:05.060 yeah bring it on man but yeah i appreciate you having me on thanks for a fun night great stream

02:46:09.860 you guys are the goats of kick w kick oh yes nico now too for sure thank you nick have a good night

02:46:16.220 first did you see what eddie said about the nick do you see what eddie said about the last conversation

02:46:20.200 the ceo of kick said something yeah i did yeah and i appreciated him saying that you know i'm not

02:46:25.800 trying to get you guys on trouble even in this debate tonight i was trying to be respectful of the

02:46:30.560 um expectations on kick um and trying to be appropriate the thing is as long as the rules

02:46:37.980 are clear and articulated i'm willing to follow any rules the problem with social media as always

02:46:43.460 is they they don't even tell you what they ban for it's totally convoluted so you know i appreciate

02:46:48.780 him and i just want to know i respect the platform i'm not trying to be a punk and get everybody in

02:46:53.500 trouble i am who i am i like to bring the content but i'm trying to keep it respectful of

02:46:58.320 the platform and not you know bring down the hammer on you guys because you know how it is

02:47:03.120 with cancel culture so i appreciated him saying that 100 hey chat let's get nick on kick

02:47:09.120 my first kick stream coming up wait really maybe yeah maybe i'll do one i got it i got to get my

02:47:18.120 username though could you get me my username and then i do one for sure 100 i'll get your username

02:47:22.180 sweet yeah then i'll do it we'll do a big i'll do a kick stream i'll stream here every night

02:47:26.940 wow holy shit okay let me get you that name and let me get you that verification

02:47:31.580 sweet all right let's do it yeah i'd love to come on kick sounds good man all right we'll be in

02:47:37.780 touch thank you all right thanks guys take it easy great great great all right

02:47:43.200 what are you handing me this for it that's it's your stream buddy all right brett all right baby

02:47:48.640 what time you gonna lie tomorrow i don't know yes let me suck that cock okay all right wait what

02:47:53.840 time you gonna lie tomorrow uh i don't know you're gonna hop up up on your stream yeah yeah it depends

02:47:59.400 what time what time what time what time works i've been in toronto for a minute man i'm ready

02:48:05.080 to go back i know um you don't have to do i can i'm obviously gonna be there in the afternoon what

02:48:11.900 time do you want to go live um five or six ideally eight this one usually go live perfect so i'll be

02:48:20.620 there w cap dude okay have a good stream man kuffman's about to come on yeah oh yeah chat we're

02:48:29.740 gonna have we're gonna have a sit down with kuffman um would you like to come on and sit with

02:48:32.720 us while i talk to kuffman if you don't have to if you want to go eat go eat thank you for hosting

02:48:36.440 the debate with me okay where's my jew lamp it's on the way did you see i just got a ship they

02:48:41.980 finished making the jew lamp can i let me show chat show the chat i got the jew lamp made

02:48:46.300 hey that's looking good huh chat does it look does it look like me it does so tomorrow yeah i

02:48:59.600 don't know what to do it's like gonna be my first kick stream i was wondering if i should go live in

02:49:02.720 new york if i should start with the bang or no do your first show with me please please may you please

02:49:09.940 okay just keep it simple yes keep it there very simple i'll be there promise you have a

02:49:16.280 friend in me i promise yeah i want to show you something i'm gonna show you why you know you

02:49:21.160 have a friend in me is it gonna be weird all right bro look okay i'm your friend trust me

02:49:30.160 sneeko that looks so untrustworthy how he looks like a harry potter goblin come on chat do i look

02:49:36.100 trustworthy it looks like he's gonna sell poison he's trying to get me vaccinated

02:49:40.040 how was your birthday overall three days of partying non-stop i'm still fucked up over it

02:49:47.960 i'll be goodbye tomorrow um you know gym and all that stuff's gonna be good but yeah dude

02:49:53.040 the partying is partying man it's fucking tough yeah you know it's a lot of um you know chat you

02:49:58.300 know about party come on um but yeah how much do you get getting an hour something i mean he's not

02:50:05.260 gonna say it probably but no nope it's good i'm out very good i'm out and my boy sneeko's gonna be

02:50:12.600 grinding i would love to do a stream with you in new york though we should definitely do that thing

02:50:16.320 where we go to in times square closer to the election because listen well it's actually we have

02:50:19.840 to be after the election i'm gonna be in new york for the john jones fight so we should go around

02:50:23.900 yeah what's your what's your schedule coming up forward um you want to go to new york and do

02:50:27.880 i might i might yeah well i'll let you know more about it i don't want to leak anything but i have

02:50:31.680 to eventually go to la at some point um what about uh the middle east abu dhabi yeah yeah so is that

02:50:37.080 confirmed or no i'm not when you say plans i'm not sure how much i should be like okay that's

02:50:40.580 well let me tell you why i don't

02:50:41.980 but all right so that's why it's up in the air now okay yeah jack he didn't even say anything

02:50:58.460 crazy i really didn't i really didn't i just don't want to leak anything i don't want to leak

02:51:02.040 anything because motherfuckers are weird they're gonna just be weird um but we should do some type

02:51:06.960 of like yeah we'll talk about it i have a great idea if we're gonna do at the end of the month

02:51:10.820 for trick-or-treatings we should go trick-or-treating with a bunch of kids

02:51:13.860 in toronto wherever cool but yeah uh bring kuffman yeah sure fuck it i'm out of here bro

02:51:24.380 kick.com slash sneeko no no pin this shit right now and let's no i don't need no need no need no

02:51:29.160 need no don't worry don't worry forget about it forget about it if i don't want to pin his channel

02:51:33.700 don't don't stop actually don't do that don't do that why because i want it to be i don't want to

02:51:37.580 be filled with ar loyal as well they didn't even do it right lego lego you didn't even put the

02:51:42.760 good you can't click it all right anyways fine well all right man have a good drink i want to give you

02:51:49.220 a handshake i want to teach you a handshake let me turn the camera off um so what you're gonna do

02:51:53.500 this is a freemason thing i'm doing give me your hand like that what is that don't tell anyone how

02:52:00.220 to do that all right we're good welcome to kick the fuck was that nothing welcome to kick

02:52:07.920 what did you just do welcome to kick everyone say welcome to kick you're on kick now did you do

02:52:16.120 some freemason never i'm not a freemason do i look like a freemason what was that it was a

02:52:20.620 it was a secret handshake why did you just it's a secret handshake

02:52:23.100 why did you just matters it's a secret handshake

02:52:23.580 it's a secret handshake

02:52:24.040 why did you just it's a secret handshake it's a secret handshake it's a secret handshake

02:52:25.880 it's a secret handshake it's a secret handshake it's a secret handshake it's a secret handshake

SNEAKO - October 15, 2024

SNEAKO & Adin Ross Host Debate For Nick Fuentes VS 5 Feminists

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