SNEAKO - September 23, 2022


SNEAKO Confronts Trainwrecks for Petty Twitch Drama on Destiny’s Panel…

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In this episode, we talk about some of the crazier dramas happening on twitch. twitch.tv/the_drama We talk about the monkey pox, the quarantine, and the next pandemic coming to New York.

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00:00:00.000 when you see all this stuff happening on twitch i want to ask you as someone who's outside looking
00:00:03.440 in do you think that while a lot of these uh weirder looking dramas seem to happen on the
00:00:07.720 platform more often do you think they happen just because um there's less space for streamers to do
00:00:14.740 their own thing or do you think they happen because i was talking to this with preach and
00:00:19.300 okay wait hold on real quick i just want to see okay because i told sneaker to rejoin and then
00:00:22.600 right afterwards you asked me to join so i just would have got enough to do sneaker i'm sorry
00:00:26.140 so wait are sneaker and abba on good terms here or no no they are but i just because i brought
00:00:31.780 them in and then abba asked a question actually actually we're not on good terms well why why is
00:00:35.740 that are you not we got beef yeah we got beef bro yo sneaker called me a bot because he said the
00:00:42.540 monkey pox was coming in strong that we're all going to be under lockdown no no no yeah you did 0.95
00:00:47.020 i said there's going to be another lockdown did i say specifically the monkey okay okay here we go
00:00:52.880 there's going to be another lockdown there's going to be another core core but i don't know
00:00:56.000 if it's going to be screenshots so did i said it was a monkey you were talking about the uh state
00:01:02.340 of emergency happening in new york and you were saying i was saying there's going to be another
00:01:05.720 lockdown but i'm not sure if i said it was going to be the other monkey and if i did i'm wrong i
00:01:09.340 don't think there's going to be a lockdown for the monkey but there will be another lockdown another
00:01:12.180 quarantine is coming a next pandemic is coming yes okay do you have a timeline because this is not
00:01:17.060 the same as our bet what do we bet how much do we bet this is what happened i got the quotes right
00:01:23.680 here oh you're pulling up you sent me the state of emergency in new york also nice to meet you
00:01:28.560 other dan in the bottom right what's up what's up destiny man oh and then i'll start working i need
00:01:32.060 tumbling it dan or sigo do either of you want to go eat tonight yeah um yeah all right sure no i got
00:01:38.900 salim coming i got another nelk boy coming on you got another what i got a nelk boy coming on
00:01:43.680 can i do it i thought you sue a double day tomorrow and then okay let's let abba air out
00:01:47.780 my receipts right now okay this guy aired out my receipts like i'm putting out dirty laundry
00:01:52.380 yeah it's okay expose me right now i'm not that's the same i said you got beef you got beef right
00:01:57.120 all right cool this is not real beef don't worry so i so you sent me a link about the new york
00:02:03.360 locked uh state of emergency so i said word when's the lockdown happening because during that stream 0.98
00:02:07.460 you've been on my case saying i should care about this monkey pox shit 1.00
00:02:10.520 and you said in two three months i'm moving to florida fuck this and i did i'm out of here 0.99
00:02:17.160 miami now i'm a man of my word where am i right right and i said listen i'll come on your stream 0.94
00:02:21.960 when we get the monkey pox locked down and i'll admit i'm wrong but if two three months pass and
00:02:26.400 it doesn't you're gonna have to hold that l and you said bet are you ready to hold that l i'm holding
00:02:31.400 it right now it's on my forehead there's another lockdown coming though there's another pandemic
00:02:34.780 coming i don't know if it's the monkey but yeah hold that i was wrong about two three months
00:02:38.100 it's probably gonna be two to three years ah all right we good we good i just want to be able 0.51
00:02:41.380 to say that but go ahead sneaker i know you want to say something okay there you go beef be squashed
00:02:46.580 he left well can you guys turn your camera on train what's up man no what up baby what are you
00:02:54.780 afraid of what are you guys all afraid of how many of you people hate each other afraid of what no
00:03:00.040 turn your camera on you probably look great right now no i do look great his camera all the time
00:03:04.380 it's a persian thing brother i have more stream time in one day than you have in a year my camera
00:03:09.800 is on during that time you understand me so i'm chilling right now so you should be comfortable
00:03:12.940 in front of the camera i don't understand the apprehension because it's very simple i don't
00:03:17.400 want to okay hold on ava what you had a question i'm sorry you were asking something about like 0.91
00:03:22.140 streamer drama right the fuck is going on here he walked away to go smoke some we would preach 0.99
00:03:27.900 no he fucked you jesus christ train were you involved in any twitch drama did you touch a 1.00
00:03:35.920 titty or did you say no they're coming off of their drama okay chill okay that's why i'm calling 0.99
00:03:41.080 you i want to figure out what's going on right now because there's a lot of twitch viewers who are
00:03:44.020 going to be looking for a streamer that's not he ex but he's the exposure of the people that covered 0.96
00:03:48.640 up you guys are actual shit just to be clear i'm not shit stirring right now these guys are actual 0.99
00:03:53.580 shit you dude you should start so much the last two days i'm just getting a morsel of 1.00
00:03:57.900 shit don't try to play the more high ground like you didn't just get the most amount of subscribers 0.99
00:04:01.100 in two days than you got in the past like month from this drama yeah i might add but that was 1.00
00:04:05.900 because i was dipping my toe into shit that was already being you know what he is shaken by a ton 0.99
00:04:08.860 of other people do you know who this motherfucker is he's the guy who climbs the drama ladder and then 0.99
00:04:13.820 kicks it down for the rest of us right after that's who he is it's good though it's good it's a good 0.98
00:04:18.780 way to get people who don't want fake woke people but train what i found weird from the i don't know if you still
00:04:22.860 want to talk about this before when i heard like you had that essay thing you had the titty in the
00:04:26.220 back pocket and then it was just like boom you put it on your friends as soon as something like
00:04:30.060 when everybody was calling each other out no wait we're not doing it hold on if you want to have a
00:04:34.860 conversation with him about this i actually i gotta defend sneaker i gotta defend sneaker no no no no no 0.98
00:04:44.220 i can mute you motherfuckers i'm the owner of the call stop listen this was not i did not invite you 0.99
00:04:49.340 motherfuckers here to just destroy train i thought you had some questions totally irrelevant to all 0.99
00:04:54.220 that to talk about i'm just trying to talk i don't know about this stuff this is all i heard from 0.99
00:04:58.300 one video that i watched i'm calling to ask you about it destiny you've been sure okay let's just
00:05:02.940 let him speak jesus christ damn why it was so heated twitch is in a frenzy right now like this is 0.96
00:05:08.220 a touchy subject it's nico touchy tinnies very it is dutchy there's a lot of shit going on okay i'm gonna 0.99
00:05:14.620 burn my fucking bridge with exit train like 20 minutes ago and now you guys are in here pouring 0.99
00:05:19.900 gasoline on the fire chill to be clear to be clear i don't know about sneaker but me personally i sided 0.99
00:05:25.180 with with train in regards to most of this stuff i just thought on the outside there was just certain
00:05:29.660 things i was like yeah but it's not like i'm against them so we cool okay sorry go ahead sneaker
00:05:34.540 talk no that's it i just thought it was strange that you had that in the back pocket like if you heard
00:05:38.060 about the touch and titty from like two years ago why were you ready like it's like twitch people have
00:05:41.900 this and i'll tell you why i'll tell you why first first of all get your facts yeah yeah get your facts
00:05:46.860 straight all right here's what it is i'm gonna get them straight understand tell me yeah i'll tell you
00:05:51.580 right now all right them coming at me and by the way when i talk i pause a lot so don't get uh you know
00:05:59.100 don't get weirded out by that or think i'm stopping my conversation or what's the point
00:06:03.500 don't come off yeah so here we go listen
00:06:05.980 i don't think you uh have done your research on who i am you understand me no i haven't people
00:06:12.780 yeah people come at me every day for the last four years regarding everything okay this recent 0.66
00:06:19.100 shit wasn't even close to anything crazy enough to even fit the narrative that i held it for something 0.89
00:06:26.540 huge you understand my livelihood and my career was not at stake so that narrative is ridiculous number 0.97
00:06:32.940 two mistake the timing that's funny good one dan the timing of it coming oh that was me that was
00:06:40.620 oh whoever that was all right who was it wait there's moons in here huge youtuber guy massive
00:06:45.500 youtuber oh please i'm small just don't make bad impressions don't make me look at my other friends
00:06:50.860 okay let's listen let me finish you go okay second of all the timing of it was just
00:06:59.020 when adriana felt the most mentally fortified i've been talking with her for over the last year
00:07:05.660 there's times where she didn't feel mentally strong she didn't feel mentally fortified she didn't feel
00:07:09.980 like she had the strength to come out and do what she needed to after the platform was given to her
00:07:15.740 you understand but she was now she gave me the green light and i was the one that was going to
00:07:20.220 introduce it and give the platform for her to speak and tell the truth so these narratives that are
00:07:24.700 pushing that they're literally grasping at whatever they can to take the blame off of the individuals
00:07:30.220 involved regarding the adriana situation and to try and grab at something else to to to lesser
00:07:35.820 the consequences that their favorite uh creators will face that's all it is so don't listen to those 1.00
00:07:42.620 dumb motherfuckers a bunch of corrupt motherfuckers i'm telling you right now so you didn't you 1.00
00:07:46.460 didn't have that loaded up ready to go it seems like twitch streamers hold dirt against each other 1.00
00:07:50.860 so that when a fight inevitably happens like the train wreck from last night sorry that's your name 0.95
00:07:54.140 but that wasn't on purpose when that shit happens they have ammo and they have dirt on each other 0.96
00:07:58.860 to go expose each other that's what it sounds like from the outside in is that not or did you 0.97
00:08:02.940 ask her beforehand no this is the right time to do it i'm going to air it out for her
00:08:07.500 no she told me when that was and i i got her consent and then she gave me the green light
00:08:13.180 and it happened do you understand at least you got consent yeah and not to mention not to mention
00:08:17.980 there was plenty of in my opinion even worse times where i've been come at
00:08:23.180 that this could have came out but she wasn't ready right so like this was this has nothing to do with
00:08:26.700 me the consent was given by her and it went in and i went in
00:08:31.420 yeah as far as your other statement of do uh streamers hold the dirty against each other for
00:08:35.900 sure they do for sure they do but there is a distinction to be made between this context and
00:08:41.580 and the others okay i have a question do you think that optically do you understand because like
00:08:48.460 neither me or sneeko follow any of these people okay so whatever narratives i just i just saw tweets
00:08:54.460 popping up and i was just like oh shit this is wild we do understand that optically if we're just 0.68
00:08:58.380 seeing like this gambling stuff unfold and then this drops in you understand that optically kind of 0.96
00:09:02.060 looks that way or no no because the gambling stuff has been going on for 16 months straight and just
00:09:07.900 because you guys are the first to hear about it or it reached a point where you just now heard about
00:09:12.860 it doesn't mean it hasn't been going on i've been at war i mean i would say the peak of of it wasn't
00:09:17.580 even this slicker thing recently the peak of it is when hassan miskiff and h3h3 all these guys got 1.00
00:09:22.620 and got into a call together and started coming at me very very very hard that was the peak right and
00:09:27.740 at that time i knew what i knew right but i didn't have her consent so it it wasn't right for me to
00:09:33.340 ignore her consent and weaponize what i knew correct that was from train's perspective right
00:09:39.020 so it's if you're looking in from the outside it might look a certain way but from train's
00:09:43.020 perspective one they've kind of known about this thing for some time like several months or maybe
00:09:47.660 over a year and two train is like constantly getting hit for gambas so like the idea that
00:09:52.780 now it's being dropped just to counter the gambas wouldn't make much sense if you knew that train has
00:09:56.540 been attacked for gambas for like literally years yeah and the p and the peak of it if anyone
00:10:00.620 remembers was the h3h3 hassan and miskiff uh coming together with pokemon and all them that was the
00:10:05.420 peak it wasn't the slicker thing that was the time where if i wanted to weaponize it that's when i'd
00:10:09.020 release it because not to me because it wouldn't only be right one individual it would be all of them
00:10:13.660 that are associating with so it would be a huge impact but i didn't because she had she wasn't 0.99
00:10:19.180 strong she didn't uh give me the consent right so like people ignore these points because they need
00:10:24.540 their narrative to be true that uh of what of what you heard in your video uh sneko does that make any 0.94
00:10:29.580 sense yeah it makes sense do you think that they're a bunch of rats you probably are pretty
00:10:32.780 bitter that gambling got banned from what it seems like pokimane is just like the teacher's pet at
00:10:36.460 twitch whatever she says i'll tell you right now yeah i'll stop you right now and i'll tell you right
00:10:39.900 now tell me all of those no destiny's laughing but i actually like this question all those people
00:10:44.140 i'm laughing because i think i probably would agree with you on almost all yeah all those pg-13 1.00
00:10:47.500 motherfuckers are disingenuous corrupt fucking rats they glue smiles on their fucking faces they sit 1.00
00:10:53.180 there and pretend to be something they are not they sit there and pretend to be a robotic 1.00
00:10:57.260 fucking perfect role model of a human but in reality they are more dirty and more corrupt 1.00
00:11:01.980 than the people they point their fingers at and the people that are being themselves and the fact 1.00
00:11:05.900 that they can sit here and they can be so deep into the power strongholds of twitch i agree and it
00:11:11.900 changed policy and to sit here and be protected an example is jideon right jideon when jideon gets
00:11:17.900 banned just because he uh uh uh said a couple things that pokemon has done 10 000 times worse to other
00:11:23.100 creators like pull up twitters and talk about how they're irresponsible and we get hammered by the
00:11:27.900 that the communities that are really brigading us that's okay but if i were to pull up her twitter 0.99
00:11:32.140 and my community we're over there and should talk believe me i i i'd get hit with the goddamn band 0.99
00:11:35.900 that's not that's a double standard that's bullshit that's unfair these people are literally they play 1.00
00:11:40.780 dirty they play dirty and they fucking pretend to be clean and it's fucking disgusting that's what i 1.00
00:11:44.780 gotta say ethan declines probably furry he probably wears like cat ears and dog ears like he seems like that 1.00
00:11:49.740 that's hype i guess to add on to it like uh the other night like unless you didn't have the gambling
00:11:55.020 stuff in full context it like for me it really just seemed like uh when they when the whole gambling
00:12:00.620 debate began there was like a subtweeting of xqc and train no like that's like when you have the actual
00:12:07.420 uh history of it most people probably don't because yeah this all i'd say it actually began a long
00:12:13.340 before like h3h3 and like because we were talking about it since rosstein not to say that i'm a huge fan of
00:12:18.940 the gambling stuff either i've been very yeah yeah it's been like like i don't know why people
00:12:22.780 are pretending like that i'm actually glad you brought that up i don't know people are pretending
00:12:25.580 like the peak of it is now it's not the peak of it is during the times that you brought up and if
00:12:30.780 you want to bring up the peak during me and xqc's or my time at least it would be the h3h3 situation 1.00
00:12:35.740 that was the peak that was the hardest hit right because now we're having a large youtuber platform
00:12:40.780 as long as large twitch streamers so that was the peak but this slicker thing was only being
00:12:44.620 platformed by the twitch streamers right so so now there's only one army of everything attacking
00:12:49.580 so the the narrative has so many holes and inconsistencies you can just tell what they're
00:12:55.340 doing they're trying to take the story off of adriana's story and put it onto some 0.99
00:13:00.700 fucking stupid narrative that is disingenuously uh uh representing a a a situation that they're 0.98
00:13:08.300 trying to use to discredit the story does that make any sense i mean at the end of the day for me 1.00
00:13:14.060 when i look at the recent banning of like the uh websites in particular like the wording is very
00:13:19.740 important to me and this is why like i'm okay because they always say like hey we're gonna ban
00:13:23.580 sites that aren't u.s uh jurisdictions or like jurisdictions where there's not enough work i am
00:13:28.700 of the belief that i don't think you should ban gambling because gambling comes in a million ways
00:13:32.780 shapes and forms right like if you want to ban gambling as a whole you got to ban fifa ultimate
00:13:36.460 edition like the teams or whatever any game with loot boxes anything sports betting especially sports
00:13:42.780 betting especially especially if you're gonna high road and virtue signal by saying we care about
00:13:47.420 the kids sports betting is so deeply ingrained in u.s culture kids are 100 involved in it and it's
00:13:55.100 normalized for them to be and even yeah and even at a younger age they're literally uh uh incentivize
00:14:02.220 to play fantasy sports which then leads to fantasy sports betting and sports betting in general there's
00:14:07.580 so much that this goes into and these are the points that they virtue signal on oh for the kids
00:14:12.460 the kids have easy access it's such okay but when you when you ban gambling sites like okay so in my
00:14:17.980 experience when you ban a gambling site that doesn't make like it doesn't do enough to like
00:14:22.140 ban um children or unidentified individuals from gambling that's where i'm with but like when we go
00:14:27.020 back to the sports betting right there's plenty of platforms where like before you're even allowed to
00:14:30.940 go in and do anything you have to go through checks kyc everything in the world right so i think like
00:14:36.140 that that like uh division is so important right like if if a streamer comes on and they're like i'm going to
00:14:42.700 platform this site and that site follows every rule right every rule like they follow all the
00:14:46.860 compliance they follow all the fucking aml kyc they follow everything when it comes to self-exclusionary 0.91
00:14:51.820 practices feel free to fucking do it i don't care but when you're out there like with a website that's 0.97
00:14:56.300 like my question is this uh my question is this right so like they're wording uh banning steak right 0.86
00:15:02.860 steak has a us site that right but they banned steak.com not steak usa yeah but we i don't i don't i don't
00:15:10.060 think they're going to allow right because state even steak.com has like 100 different proxy servers
00:15:14.700 that you can go through that aren't steak.com they're still going to ban you for that so i
00:15:17.660 wonder if steak.us would also be under that because i don't think twitch knows that steak has a site in
00:15:23.420 the us that's allowed right it's allowed in 43 states like i don't think twitch knows that according
00:15:28.700 to the wording though it's like as long as it's within the us jurisdiction you're fine like steak usa could
00:15:33.260 literally tell them hey you ban steak international all you want that's fine there's plenty of
00:15:36.540 that's fine there's plenty of countries that'll do it right but like you shouldn't ban steak usa like
00:15:41.020 as a canadian like if i was to stream steak usa i couldn't by law by canadian law i can't just
00:15:45.820 fucking go into your guys's casinos and play with them so i wouldn't be allowed to stream so 0.96
00:15:49.260 i think it really depends on uh if the twitch moderation and again moderation is all human 0.98
00:15:54.220 right so who fucking knows how many mistakes getting made so they'll have to come in and check 0.90
00:15:58.060 it on a case-by-case basis but yeah you know steak.com is banned i don't think steak usa should be 0.61
00:16:02.540 banned if they're following all the rules right like all the laws and regulations of the us
00:16:06.060 government i just find it odd that uh before all of this there was a 13 billion dollar draft kings
00:16:11.660 nfl deal that was put into place by amazon and prime and that was untouched like that's one of
00:16:17.580 the reasons why i think sports betting was untouched not to mention the streamers themselves aren't
00:16:21.340 loud or vocal about that whatsoever that's because their friends and large creators that are uh mutuals
00:16:26.460 all have sports betting deals all of them so it just it's very odd to me that there's a picking
00:16:31.980 and choosing happening here especially when these streamers came at gambling in a blanketed way as if
00:16:40.460 you know everything is bad gambling does that make any sense but now there's silence
00:16:44.460 i think i think i think your point matters like okay listen i can stay consistent on my belief because
00:16:51.020 i've always i've always been against the unregulated sort of crypto side of gambling right from other
00:16:56.220 parts i can stay consistent on that because i've never once said that hey gambling is all evil right
00:17:01.580 like i don't i don't agree with gambling but as long as you follow the laws and as long as
00:17:05.500 everything is kept up to snuff and there's enough protection for the players
00:17:09.020 fucking go at it right there's a million vices you could do right like if you ban gambling as a whole 0.96
00:17:14.140 ban alcohol like streams ban fucking everything right anything that's adult oriented right 0.99
00:17:19.820 that's what i think you should do destiny what do you think you've been covering this for the 0.97
00:17:23.260 past like 48 hours what's the future of streaming right now because a lot of people are going to
00:17:26.300 leave twitch it seems like train is trying to figure out what he's going to stream next
00:17:29.500 are you thinking if they're going to come to youtube do you think there's going to be a new
00:17:31.660 platform do you think twitch is going to fall apart do you think that people are tired of the
00:17:34.540 favoritism no um for people to like finally start to leave it's the first thing is um a competitor
00:17:44.300 if they lose twitch primes well that would be a big one but that's not going anywhere but it's
00:17:48.300 good it's going to be late uh large streamers leaving that's what has to happen first
00:17:52.540 what i mean it seems like if they're this frisky cutting back um the 70-30 rev split and keep in
00:17:58.940 mind you had like facebook gaming and all these people doing these huge premiums to get big 0.65
00:18:02.060 streamers on there why would you ever fuck with your top talent when it's so meaningless the
00:18:07.500 amount that you're getting back from them too what are they going to save like a few hundred 0.88
00:18:11.020 um i was going to say a few hundred million a year but i don't even i doubt it's even that
00:18:14.620 i think it's just the infrastructure man like wait hold on did you say they're going to make a few
00:18:18.140 hundred million a year on that ad cut no no i was thinking no no i was thinking like there's no
00:18:21.980 there's no way like if all the people that were on a 70-30 split over 100k how much are they really
00:18:27.340 going to save doing this this if i had to guess yeah because 100 million is way too high i bet it's
00:18:32.300 like 10 million or less yes okay okay so i don't know why they would do this if your child came to
00:18:37.500 a small amount of money so i can tell you like they must be actually and it doesn't make sense they
00:18:42.220 must be actually down bad when it comes to revenue and if they're doing that you i honestly think the
00:18:48.220 days of fucking twitch prime are coming to an end it was a way to like unfair uh unfairly 0.92
00:18:53.260 fuck over every other streaming site and they're getting to the point right now where they don't 0.77
00:18:56.780 have to do it anymore where people are going to come to twitch no matter what they don't have to 0.98
00:19:00.140 make it so that they give money to to people for twitch primes i'm i mean my prediction is that that
00:19:05.980 shit's gone in 12 months but i've made it before i i don't see if i was running twitch i'd get rid of
00:19:10.940 it immediately why you don't need twitch prime anymore where are they going to go youtube it seems
00:19:15.100 highly unlikely at this point all the discoverability is here
00:19:17.580 train what are you going to do now that you can't gamble i can gamble still for a month
00:19:25.500 no i can get off that too i have sports betting and i have i have u.s regulated slots that sites
00:19:31.660 that have slots and on top of that i've been offered uh las vegas casino brick and mortar deals
00:19:36.620 for a million dollars a month so at the end of the day i have many options that's why this doesn't like 0.98
00:19:41.100 affect me uh in the way that these dumb motherfuckers think it affects me right well i have a lot of 0.98
00:19:45.500 options to keep going for me it's more so of the disrespect on twitch's end because the way they 0.99
00:19:51.580 released their statement it wasn't that of a platform that this that kind of came together
00:19:56.060 against gambling it seemed as if they were catering specifically to pokimane and a few other creators
00:20:01.260 that were high-roading because their bands only covered what these streamers were talking about if
00:20:06.300 their band would have consistently covered sports betting or or other sites or just a wider net of
00:20:11.980 gambling i'd say okay you know what this was something that they came together they truly
00:20:15.340 believed in i don't think that's the case i think they catered and and caved in to a select few
00:20:21.340 streamers because they only banned the sites and they only banned the things that these few streamers
00:20:26.220 made a big deal about and that is it i don't i don't know if it's nearly as much sorry if my mic's
00:20:32.220 bad but i was going to say i don't know if it's nearly as much the uh streamers or or people involved
00:20:37.260 per se but more so the media attention i think it's the same reason why andrew tate got banned
00:20:40.940 and a lot of decisions that youtube or twitch make that are outside of tos but still come down hard
00:20:46.460 is they don't like media attention that's negative and i think once pokemon and all those folks kind
00:20:52.060 of started speaking on this issue i saw forbes articles i saw a bunch of major news networks
00:20:56.940 yeah cnbc and a lot of other uh networks were going to cover this and i think that they were pushed against
00:21:01.900 the wall but what i'm referring to is the decision and the um policies they decided to you know enact
00:21:09.980 that is what upset me because it didn't seem like they were going and saying okay what should we do
00:21:14.700 here what's consistent what makes sense it seemed like they just grabbed what these streamers were
00:21:20.220 saying and put it into a document and released it because it doesn't if you read that thing it
00:21:24.780 really doesn't make sense if you care about the kids and gambling it doesn't make sense at all if you
00:21:30.540 read it it makes no sense stop protecting anything they banned four sites of gambling and everything
00:21:35.900 else still exists like it's so much of a coincidence for me and that's the only reason i'd ever be
00:21:41.820 what's pokimane's motivation to get gambling banned but not hot tub streaming ban
00:21:47.100 well i think hot tub streaming and gambling are a bad thing to put together i think when you come when
00:21:51.980 you try to get hot tub streaming banned as a result of gambling getting banned i think it actually weakens
00:21:56.380 the argument for gambling not to be banned i don't think those two should be together whatsoever i
00:22:00.220 think it should be a conversation okay what's your motivation to get gambling ban
00:22:09.180 you hear me well i hear you but it's it's a little uh that's a deeper more complicated and
00:22:14.700 slowest train i've ever seen man there's like there's like there's two trains of thought ha ha
00:22:19.500 one is going to be that on the on the outside it looks good it's a pr move it's her content is like
00:22:24.540 family-friendly content um from train's perspective people are a little bit more personally geared
00:22:29.900 towards kind of shitting on him and train probably feels that way because there's
00:22:33.660 there's kind of a history yeah there's kind of a history of like certain types of content being 0.96
00:22:38.460 getting popular on twitch because of train and then everybody's shitting on him for doing it and
00:22:41.900 then later on everybody's starting to do that content after shitting on him for doing it so for
00:22:45.420 training there's a history of it yeah there's a history of it and they've always it's the same
00:22:49.100 tactics they pulled on this right like they found some yeah they found like the avenues they
00:22:55.900 attacked me on gambling they did the same thing for uh things that are of lesser danger such as
00:23:01.260 me watching episodes of gordon ramsay on stream right they came at me in terms of oh i'm taking
00:23:05.820 from the networks and and keep in mind these are like socialist individuals telling me i'm taking
00:23:10.460 from fox network and and giving to my viewers like you think about that argument and you will laugh
00:23:14.700 real loud to yourself like it makes no sense you know that i'm stealing that i should be sued and put
00:23:20.220 in jail for stealing this content and then what happens a year later each of them all watch the 0.92
00:23:25.580 same network and the same shows on their own streams without any fucking shame it's been a repeated 0.92
00:23:32.380 behavior year after year after year and in my opinion it's because these streamers that they are
00:23:38.780 building and if not have already built a monopoly on twitch it's why you see streamers like kai
00:23:44.380 like jideon like aiden uh your rage you see them not getting the credit and not getting the same
00:23:50.380 tools in these inner circles as streamers that are willing to give a piece of their pie to these larger
00:23:57.580 creators those guys did not and you'll see them being excommunicated you'll see them getting blacklisted
00:24:03.500 you'll see them getting pushed out almost pushed off the platform in terms of uh uh the the exposure
00:24:10.940 they could be receiving but if you look at a streamer like tarik that he was jumped on instantly
00:24:14.540 right and he was given access to all of those tools alongside you know a backing that only sped
00:24:21.420 up his growth do you think that's the case or is it just what people are tuned into because personally
00:24:25.580 like i know aiden your rage kai sanat speed um like all those guys i know them but um like i'm not
00:24:31.980 trying to sound disrespectful but i only heard about like xqc and you and um a lot of these other
00:24:37.020 twitch streamers through destiny like i didn't i wasn't tapped into that i didn't even know when
00:24:41.340 xuc debated tate i had no idea who he was train i've heard destiny talk about you but i've never
00:24:46.220 seen your streams before is it is that really the case or is it just what people are tuned into
00:24:51.100 that's what i'm saying i'm saying there is a avenue you could be accepted into where
00:24:56.140 you're being branched out into every direction right but there's a reason it's so split there's a
00:25:00.460 reason why uh certain individuals and certain streamers are only being tuned into by certain groups
00:25:05.420 because they're being attacked and blacklisted by the other do you understand that's why it's
00:25:09.740 so there's a big click on you sorry twitch and that yes there's a big click so yeah whether you're
00:25:15.260 welcome into it or not is determined or is based on whether you're willing to give a piece of your
00:25:19.740 pie up right and that's what i think that all this is being driven on if you're somebody that is
00:25:24.060 outspoken and you don't match that they will push you out and that is what's going on it's just on
00:25:28.140 a deeper dirtier level that no one can comprehend uh unless you're behind the scenes it's it's like the
00:25:32.860 the youtube meta too right like you got those like minecraft twitter people or like you know
00:25:37.420 you know what i mean like minecraft youtubers and like streamers like it's just that one
00:25:41.420 small community and it's once you're in the community i mean you're raking in the 0.92
00:25:44.380 fucking cash if you're out of the community you'll never work with any of it's like a 0.98
00:25:47.660 fucking union it's weird i think what you were saying earlier in regards to like how the sports 1.00
00:25:52.620 betting aspect of it is absolute hypocrisy is very true but i'm not i think maybe maybe what 0.96
00:25:58.220 confuses me is like when i see you being so surprised by this i feel like the same
00:26:01.580 way when corey kenshin came out with his video complaining about youtube and how they set things
00:26:05.100 up i always say these platforms just operate on a basis of they want to make the most amount of
00:26:09.180 money so if they align themselves generally with certain creators it's because they're advertiser
00:26:13.660 friendly they won't give them bad press and so when they're aligning themselves with these people
00:26:17.180 the reason why i promise you what they made from ads just from me alone would be a shocking number
00:26:23.100 to you believe me like it's this was deeper than a money like that's what confuses me right like
00:26:30.780 this was
00:26:34.220 but but you say yourself you say you're not child friendly you say that yourself right you say that
00:26:38.540 you're not necessarily family friendly so can you understand the difference between someone like you
00:26:43.020 and one of the other creators who are the other group who are much more appealing to advertisers or
00:26:47.660 when they're doing their uh pitch decks you know like when they're doing their pitch decks to get
00:26:51.260 out of course they're putting the face of uh you know what or whoever it might be on the face that
00:26:58.140 pitch deck they're not going to put your face the reason being is they understand they're marketable
00:27:01.580 in that regards kai kai i think is regarded as the biggest streamer on twitch or maybe second
00:27:06.860 top three whatever and he doesn't get that kind of love for twitch and i think a big part of that is
00:27:10.700 because of like the whole family friendly aspect of it or speed um you know the young 18 year old
00:27:15.660 he's he's killing it from what i've heard on youtube even though i don't watch it myself i know he's got
00:27:20.220 huge numbers but you won't see youtube actively advertising him that way just because he's not
00:27:24.780 what they would consider as advertiser friendly train do you think that there's going to be
00:27:29.180 an awakening do you think that now that a lot of these fake woke people got exposed for having a 0.98
00:27:33.580 bunch of doing a bunch of nasty shit behind the scenes that there's going to be a hunger for real 0.97
00:27:37.580 creators and real people because like i hear the way you talk you don't have a filter like a lot of 0.99
00:27:41.100 these fake woke people like lasagne ethan decline or pokimane do you think that twitch people are
00:27:45.420 just going to actively keep going to those family friendly i'm perfect people or are they gonna get 0.99
00:27:50.540 fed up with this fake bullshit no try to seek out real people they're not they're not going to be fed 0.96
00:27:54.860 up until the only way they get fed up it isn't any large creator going at another large creator it 1.00
00:28:01.180 isn't any of these nasty things happening that you're seeing now happening it all comes down to one
00:28:07.180 thing it's the general public once the general public gets to a point of social awareness and
00:28:13.740 social intelligence to see beyond and past the because like you and i or you and those of us in
00:28:20.300 the call we know what the clean pg-13ers actually are for the most part right we're not talking about
00:28:26.140 the pg-13ers are actually pg-13 on-stream and off-stream we're talking the ones that are off-stream
00:28:29.820 dirty and on-stream pg-13 right we know what they are beyond the scenes the problem is even when we say
00:28:35.580 things like this the general public does not they truly believe these are like the heroes and the
00:28:40.380 good people they want them to be they need them to be do you understand yeah it's what keeps their
00:28:45.420 own perspective their own realities that they live in their metaphysical reality it requires these
00:28:49.580 people to be the good guys and requires people like me to be the bad guys but that's why things
00:28:53.980 like this that you see that are happening and unfolding they won't change anything the only thing
00:28:57.580 that's going to change something is for the general public to somehow gain the social awareness
00:29:02.700 and social intelligence whether that's over time give me a sec well that's over time or whether
00:29:07.020 that's through some sort of event for them to be able to see isn't this an event like that isn't
00:29:11.180 this an event for a social awakening everyone getting exposed for having dirt it's not it's not because
00:29:16.220 there's a difference between an individual in the general public understanding the the character of
00:29:21.820 somebody that would do this versus somebody doing this and oh that's just one bad cookie they're not
00:29:26.940 understanding that this is following a general pattern that i don't believe they're socially aware or 0.97
00:29:32.540 socially quote-unquote woke enough to see that and realize holy shit wait a second here let me 0.94
00:29:37.900 ignore my instincts of this person looks good and sounds good therefore he is good and this guy looks 0.67
00:29:43.020 bad and sounds bad therefore he's a villain let me ignore that instinct that i have deep within me and
00:29:47.660 let me actually look at the actions of these individuals we're not there yet as a society and
00:29:51.580 that's the biggest problem in my opinion abba what do you think it's going to take to get to that point
00:29:56.140 i thought that something like this everyone on twitch getting exposed gambling it's a mess i thought that
00:30:01.900 this was something like that and i thought that there's going to be a horde of twitch people coming
00:30:04.780 over personally i'm getting a bunch of gambling people are giving me offers right now and i've
00:30:08.380 been asking my chat if they think it's okay i have a lot of religious people that watch it i think it's
00:30:12.780 okay to stream gambling i think you should tell people that they need to make decisions for themselves
00:30:16.780 but ab i'm curious to you what do you think is going to make that shift
00:30:21.820 um money that's i think that's the only thing these organizations don't care about values or anything that
00:30:27.580 whatever they purport to care about that's why they'll allow people with all kinds of bad rap
00:30:31.820 sheets and terrible things to go on provided they're ad friendly enough or whatever so to them
00:30:36.220 it's just is it bad press and if it is then you're gone so you ask me what's going to change it it's
00:30:41.980 going to be where the money goes guys guys you know i'm so sorry to interrupt i need to go to dinner
00:30:46.220 real quick i'll be back yeah i love you guys it was great meeting all of you you know mood i'm happy i met
00:30:50.940 you uh you seem very well spoken all of you seem pretty well spoken actually i'm actually 0.89
00:30:53.980 the the the the the the the the the i'm sorry fuck it love you guys peace all right cheers 0.98