SNEAKO - SNEAKO Hosts Christian & Muslim Alliance Meeting

00:00:00.000 yo hey arab how you doing did you get a haircut yeah i did i chopped the long hair off i haven't

00:00:12.240 leaked it yet but the leaks are always on sneak up stream first let's go let's go

00:00:18.280 it was time to get rid of that part of me bro reborn a muslim

00:00:23.940 there we go it's good to see you look good man wait wait wait who gets my conversion points

00:00:34.940 you or warner we get a share of them because we all uh gave dawah oh okay but we're not lantern

00:00:41.460 no i just met him if if you accepted islam i'm happy that's it it's not about points at all

00:00:48.380 it's if you accept islam and you're a nice guy yeah i'm saying if that happens actually when

00:00:55.800 that happens sorry let me put it a different way when that happens inshallah they will be happy for

00:01:00.020 you whoever it happens with they're happy for you um first of all what's up boys let me start with

00:01:06.060 saying warner yes warner uh was a very prominent figure in my becoming closer to god

00:01:15.640 i don't know if he gets negative points because i'm a christian you know but

00:01:20.680 but but that speech that we had on that train where you called me shaytan i started applying

00:01:26.700 the word shaytan to many things in real life and it helped me see how obvious the devil is

00:01:33.140 in real life you know and in in the sodom and gomorrah of san francisco and these kind of things so

00:01:39.200 first of all before we start i i respect uh all my muslim brothers and uh actually 90 95 of my

00:01:47.360 friends are muslim so they are i got to meet them in beirut also i want to say shout out to you uh

00:01:51.920 pre-glaze but you are a great host in lebanon uh don may it's all my my lebanese brother brother

00:01:56.900 it was it was great hosting and i had i want to come back to everything's fine in lebanon you just

00:02:00.340 got bombed man where are you i'm in taiwan i'm in taiwan i pulled up to taiwan with luke you just

00:02:06.100 teleport places is everybody in lebanon okay uh you know as okay as we can be it's whatever like

00:02:14.060 we get bombed here and there all the time and you just learn to live with it i might be going back

00:02:19.080 in a week okay like even during the war it's like whatever well you thanks to you for coming too bro

00:02:26.140 for coming during a war zone like that's that's pretty intense you know people are scared shitless

00:02:31.320 to lebanon and you pulled up yeah i mean we went to dahi which is like a shia compound in beirut

00:02:36.280 and we went there on stream and then the the backpack cut out and so we didn't get to go in

00:02:40.440 and then five days later it gets bombed by israel so i mean that's a sign that bro that has to that's

00:02:46.340 a sign from allah oh it's getting bombed non-stop right now it's it's that's that's what gets bombed

00:02:51.700 first because that's where the leaders are that's where they hide what leaders

00:02:54.920 in 2006 thought he was flat

00:02:59.260 flying by the way like fully flat like gaza level flat in 2006 and they rebuilt it so it'll probably

00:03:07.140 happen again in the next upcoming months yeah you look like your brother you look like your brother

00:03:11.920 with his haircut yeah yeah yeah i gotta fix it too they don't really have the best barbers

00:03:17.880 in uh in taiwan and asia because they don't grow beers they they barely have fucking their hair is like

00:03:24.480 that one hip-hop style it's whatever i'll fix what you know uh what's up boys but what's up

00:03:30.960 yeah muscle mantra wanted to speak to you i gotta say off camera he was saying positive things he

00:03:34.260 thinks you're a nice guy all this stuff you've never had an interaction before right no no no no

00:03:37.580 actually no no we haven't we haven't and also by the way love speech when i called panico a rat

00:03:42.480 i call my good friends rats like that's my way of shit talking them it's not your influencer ego like

00:03:49.180 no friends in the industry bullshit i know i was like i started playing drape where as soon as i saw that

00:03:53.580 i'm like another one bro another influencer friend but then i texted you and then you put it up

00:03:58.140 bro sneaker replies i know he goes you could have just fucking texted me privately i'm like

00:04:02.080 wait you took this serious like yeah yeah well you know i'm i'm used to stuff like um you know

00:04:08.060 influencer friends snaking the only the only i'm not really in the influencer space i don't consider

00:04:13.580 myself an influencer space i'm connected because i was in the streaming but like i pushed myself away

00:04:18.600 from that i'm not a fan of how fake it actually is like you're you're one of the few people who

00:04:23.360 actually go back in and tap in with here and there but i'm not a fan of it because like you said it's

00:04:27.980 all there's no friends in the industry everyone's doing shit fake everyone's acting that's just how

00:04:32.660 it is in there well great now they're calling me ratco they're calling me ratco whatever which is

00:04:37.140 why i get i why i get why you got why you hang out with the muslims and and you've gotten much

00:04:41.100 closer to islam because there is a brotherhood in there yeah you know i mean you're part of

00:04:45.620 the muslim brother and another thing too that was a joke yeah yeah no no no us no no let me go

00:04:52.960 home political group let me go home no no no no group yeah another thing arab like you know one

00:04:59.780 thing about brothers they keep it real with each other and you know i appreciate you allowing me

00:05:04.040 to keep it real with you on that train ride you know because a lot of times people they can't

00:05:07.840 like handle that authenticity and just someone just being raw and real with them you know and you

00:05:13.400 allowed me to do that bro because i asked you before like hey bro can i be completely honest

00:05:18.080 with you because i don't like being fake you know i mean and you allowed me to say what i need to say

00:05:22.120 and may Allah bless you for that bro bro i'm a student of life i'm here to learn all opinions i'm here i'm

00:05:27.940 here to hear from all sides and and based off my life right our lives are a test where we have to

00:05:33.600 dodge different booby traps and uh and based off my life i'll apply it to my life and and act in

00:05:41.840 alignment with the 10 commandments and being the best person i can be being honest not being a thief

00:05:47.040 etc i'm okay bro i'm okay with hearing any opinion which is uh one i guess how this conversation

00:05:53.460 started for us to be here two do you guys actually you guys actually think believing jesus's god is worse

00:06:01.280 than being gay like you know come on guys come on like imagine a dude imagine a dude sticking it

00:06:10.660 oh i'm not imagining that let's let's assume let's assume i believe my god is the god i believe is

00:06:22.460 wrong wouldn't that be out of ignorance uh so so first thing i want to say when i saw it the tweet

00:06:29.000 that you made uh at sneaker i straight away know you were joking i don't know if people took it

00:06:33.080 seriously i did i know you were joking 100 but i did like it the first thing i thought about it is

00:06:38.580 let's have a chat because you said like four times you're trying to have the discussion religious

00:06:42.240 discussions you guys okay we gotta do this right wait for context so we were speaking to uh a e-girl

00:06:47.560 streamer a demi the other day and she asked me i laughed when he said bully i don't know he's like

00:06:52.420 to clear the air for the christian like oh look at you you're only gonna debate e-girls first off

00:06:57.420 she dm'd me after three months i don't talk to her and she said hey can you educate me on islam

00:07:02.480 that's word for word what she said can you educate me on islam not a debate she wanted to learn

00:07:07.780 obviously i have students of knowledge around me like warner and like bus and lantern let's talk

00:07:11.720 yeah so about the the jesus god we literally were just explaining to educate her

00:07:16.920 no go ahead go ahead that's what she said that she asked me to educate her yeah she she wants you

00:07:22.400 an educator for a different purpose so your your role now is you know when you got her in a private

00:07:29.940 tutoring session not in public where she can be ridiculed oh hold on hold on uh fuck we're effing

00:07:35.120 right you know at your crib just make sure if she talks back to you you backhand her to the fence

00:07:41.020 uh hold on we're lagging one second one second okay we're back okay we're back back say say that

00:07:47.840 one more no i think it lagged out at the perfect time no it lagged out at the perfect time

00:07:53.400 look this is a sign from the creator that we're being protected from arab we're being protected

00:08:00.760 from arab jokes just like in dahi when the iro backpack cut out when arab wanted me to go to the

00:08:09.060 shia compound that was getting nuked by israel allah is the best of planners alhamdulillah

00:08:14.600 yes we we were talking about yeah we were talking about the jesus thing actually in the beginning of

00:08:20.480 the stream like we're explaining it like how how it works out right that that for you to give the

00:08:25.820 rights of the creator that created you created that man created everyone around you is not the

00:08:30.100 same as sinning against another human being like they're not equal you're not just you're denying god's

00:08:35.560 rights and not only denying them which is bad in itself enough but you're giving them to something

00:08:40.600 else other than god so that means you you took that step to give gratitude but you didn't give it

00:08:45.480 to the one who gave you everything you went and gave it to something else any other sin that you would

00:08:50.460 make any whatever that sin is it's still against another human like you it's still against another

00:08:55.480 creation like you so it's not but i wouldn't make that same statement uh that was made because it's

00:09:01.240 not just specifically about jesus about worshiping anything other than allah there are certain

00:09:05.100 people who say they're muslims and they still pray to uh dead people and pray to other than god

00:09:08.960 they're still committing the same problem right so it's not about christianity specifically anyone

00:09:13.480 who gives the rights that are due to the creator uh to other than the creator is committing the worst

00:09:18.900 sin they could do essentially yeah so so first of all if you're if you're doing that sin i don't think

00:09:25.580 it's committing a sin against another human uh being gay is is it's not about doing a sin against

00:09:31.320 someone else it's it's a sin against you and your soul yeah okay but you're you're doing it with

00:09:36.380 someone else so you're also doing that sin with someone else so it's yes it is against yourself and

00:09:41.200 it's against god but still in the same time you're doing it with another human being or someone else

00:09:45.740 sharing with you right that's well this comes down to you guys saying shirk is the is the worst sin

00:09:52.060 right yes and that's what idol worship yes associating partners with allah either rejecting the

00:09:58.380 creator or associating partners with god so even saying jesus is the son of god that's still

00:10:02.620 associating partners with allah that's also shirk right right and and and where muslims

00:10:07.740 deny that is that god could never be a human right god can never be anything else than god

00:10:15.280 right because you're saying god isn't powerful enough to do things that you don't understand

00:10:20.840 so you believe god is a human you believe god is a human

00:10:23.320 no i believe god is god and god is powerful enough to do things that we don't understand fully

00:10:30.500 but is he a human or not yes jesus christ was a human okay but he was also but he was also

00:10:39.500 empowered by the lord he was 100 divine and 100 human he took on the the human nature to show us

00:10:48.320 i know the response okay to show us humans he took on the human nature to show us humans what

00:10:54.020 it's like to be a perfect human which none of us can do because we all fucking suck

00:10:58.580 right i understand we all suck if we you know we look at a woman twice right the first look is

00:11:04.940 the second one's adam we look at women twice all the time you know or we or we or we in our thoughts

00:11:10.500 think something negatively about someone and then we have to correct it you know these things are all

00:11:15.340 minor sins that jesus christ never did which is why and i believe in the quran as well he was

00:11:21.060 sinless correct well it doesn't use that term in the quran when you use the term pure prophets are

00:11:27.160 pure uh so it doesn't use the term sinless right uh without a sin or something like that there's no

00:11:32.960 that term clearly is not there there are it says gulam and zakiya zakiya means pure and it's used for

00:11:38.100 other than jesus in the quran as well for other prophets but you know christians they say all the time

00:11:42.460 but they don't understand what the verse is saying uh from that since it's common where christians

00:11:46.420 say that the quran says that i know well you wanted to say something yeah well i wanted to respond to

00:11:50.240 this because arab i've heard you make this argument before so you're saying that god is so powerful

00:11:54.200 that you believe that uh our version of god is less powerful because we don't think god could become

00:11:59.960 a man correct so god is so power in your view god is so powerful that he could do something that we

00:12:04.620 can't understand to become a man but he's so powerful he could become weak that's what he said

00:12:08.640 no no no yeah he could become so god is so powerful he could do things that that we are

00:12:13.400 out of our comprehension become men i don't believe your version of god is different i think you just

00:12:18.700 deny that jesus christ was also part of god i think we both pray to the same allah i think we pray to

00:12:24.580 allah i think you just don't believe that jesus christ was sent down but you're saying by in that sense

00:12:29.780 yes i believe i believe you're limiting god yes okay we're limiting god can uh can there be a squared

00:12:35.520 circle you're trying to apply logic to something that isn't logical god is logical 100 this is where

00:12:43.240 we disagree god is logical to us like we we believe we our faith comes from a logical it comes from

00:12:48.800 logic and reason right there's things that have to be understood and second i would say if you're

00:12:53.780 saying that god is so powerful he could become a man right that is limiting god you're saying that

00:12:59.320 he's limitless and he could become a man we're saying that he's so limitless that there's some things

00:13:03.660 that are impossible to happen it's not that he's limited he can't do something it's that god is all

00:13:07.700 powerful all merciful and there's some things that are just impossible of happening that doesn't mean

00:13:11.520 that he's limited that just means that he's limitless and so it's impossible for him to be a man that

00:13:16.360 dies if a man could die that you're applying limitations on god in fact you think that work

00:13:21.620 but the man the man defied death actually he was resurrected but he died for three days we're saying

00:13:27.220 that god is so limitless it's impossible for god to die you're saying he died but i'm telling you he

00:13:32.780 defied death and then you're applying a term three days okay to to something somebody that defied

00:13:39.480 death you said he died i'm telling you he okay resurrected but he was dead he defied death but

00:13:46.640 you're saying he was dead so he was dead he was dead he was dead on this world our definition of death

00:13:52.420 but he never died yeah he died but he resurrected bro so he was dead so god was dead but he resurrected

00:13:58.820 he he resurrected but was god dead no god was not dead jesus christ died for our sins

00:14:06.920 okay but he resurrected before he resurrected can god die you're saying can god die i'm not asking that

00:14:13.560 i'm saying did god did jesus die yes jesus christ okay so god died

00:14:18.640 but you're you're comparing the divine nature to the human nature the human nature yes jesus christ died

00:14:27.700 went up to heaven went down to hell i believe actually okay let me respond yeah go ahead

00:14:34.300 uh first i want to i want to explain one thing to you what is god

00:14:37.800 god is the most powerful omniscient and omnipotent being beautiful god is god is everything around us

00:14:48.960 you know god is everything around us but what you said first is correct yes okay so the omniscient

00:14:54.440 omnipotent all part of all these things right so when we use words these words have definitions

00:15:01.040 when you say something is god then it is what you said that's why i asked you what is god

00:15:05.780 is all powerful all knowing etc when i say this is a a screen we don't say this is god because the

00:15:12.620 screen also has definition right it's made from metal iron etc these different things so what the

00:15:16.900 minute you say god is no longer possessing the attribute of what we refer to as god that's no

00:15:23.060 longer god so if that god in your belief or any belief right becomes anything other than what these

00:15:28.900 attributes are by definition that is no longer god you can still use the term god but that is misuse of

00:15:35.000 the term because what we call god is the all-powerful all-knowing entity etc the second thing about the

00:15:40.360 death which is what you what you're telling uh sneaker about when jesus your god died he did not

00:15:46.780 resurrect himself he was resurrected by the father now when lazarus died he was also resurrected by god

00:15:54.500 if jesus is god because he was resurrected by another entity then lazarus is also god because he was

00:16:01.280 resurrected by another entity i was responding to your point about him dying so he can't be gone

00:16:10.540 no but you said you were saying he died i was i was countering your point i wasn't saying he's god

00:16:15.680 because he resurrected yeah lazarus resurrected i was countering your point to the fact that oh god

00:16:21.180 died he can't be god god can't let me ask you let me ask you he resurrected what you know he defied death

00:16:26.100 you use the very specific term right which is the term that i'm i'm refuting right now he conquered death

00:16:32.120 right i never said conquer death but yeah you actually did uh well i didn't actually i'll actually

00:16:39.320 bet a thousand dollars on that i never used the word okay okay all right but the thing is to charity

00:16:46.000 a thousand dollars to charity that i never used actually actually i i keep a very good memory of

00:16:50.880 what other people say and you will see later on when you rewind the video that you have said you

00:16:55.400 conquered it but do you agree he didn't conquer death um jesus guys conquered death yes conquered death

00:17:04.400 okay so there's no point okay so you said it now so when you say when you say jesus uh came back

00:17:10.340 resurrected whatever it is that is not a plus point because it's not him who did it someone else who did

00:17:16.320 it for him just like lazarus is not the one who did it someone else did it for him so that's not a

00:17:21.420 plus point when you say someone resurrected that is not him doing it that there is that is someone

00:17:28.200 else resurrecting him number one number two you cannot resurrect without dying and god doesn't die

00:17:33.500 do you know what do you know who says god doesn't die oh the bible if you have god doesn't die do you

00:17:40.060 have the bible of course you can read it god doesn't die our definition of death is not the same

00:17:45.180 we're on a different timeline that's the second point okay then the most holy creator right okay

00:17:49.940 that's the second point of what you said when you when you die you actually die

00:17:53.760 no your soul lives on but you die yes your soul lives on definition of death is separation between

00:18:00.600 your soul definition of death is a separation of body and soul that happened to jesus according to

00:18:06.340 the christian belief so by definition he died if you say he didn't die because his soul lives on

00:18:10.700 then there's no human being that dies and i never said he didn't die i did say he died i said

00:18:14.620 he defied death sorry he defied i said he died again i said he defied defied death all of these

00:18:22.180 terms again he didn't do anything someone else did it on his behalf someone else did it for him

00:18:27.060 well according to yeah well the father through him yeah yes the father through him okay so it's not

00:18:33.700 him doing it so we cannot attribute it to him when he's okay okay okay so so so let's bring about a

00:18:40.000 different point so when you look at the leaders of a religion right okay when you look at the leaders

00:18:43.760 of a religion let's say jesus christ versus muhammad we don't okay okay when you look at them

00:18:49.960 no go ahead i want you to make it i mean yes yes go ahead i mean you do nabi muhammad and when you

00:18:55.140 say muhammad you say you know may he rest in peace all like you always say that you know the prophets

00:18:59.500 peace be upon all of them all of them all of them yeah but i mean he's not the leader but he

00:19:05.240 definitely is the leader no no like yeah i want i want you to make your point no problem don't worry

00:19:11.100 about my point yes yes skip the semantics for example yes yes yes okay when you when you look at

00:19:16.520 jesus christ versus muhammad jesus christ was somebody who never sinned you know following the path of

00:19:23.480 jesus christ uh which is what we believe in as christians to be a good christian isn't about speaking

00:19:28.280 isn't about uh enacting your faith upon other people it's about not judging it's about not lying

00:19:35.000 not stealing following these commandments you know not being an adulterer okay etc when you when

00:19:40.480 you look at the path of jesus christ versus the path of muhammad somebody who waged uh multiple wars

00:19:46.780 decades of wars um somebody who had multiple uh wives uh i don't even the aisha thing i don't even

00:19:56.040 consider that an argument because back then things were different you know marrying someone who was

00:20:00.480 blah blah things were much different than they are these days um i know a lot of people use that

00:20:04.880 point but i don't consider that a point but having multiple wives um for example uh uh

00:20:11.520 marriage can we can we can we deal with one point at a time right i can do it but the first thing i

00:20:18.420 want to say is the minute you compare prophet muhammad to jesus you admit to defeat and i'll tell you how

00:20:22.960 you did that is you compared what you believe is god to a human being instead of comparing jesus to

00:20:28.060 allah that's how all christians lose by default because they compare their god to whom we believe is

00:20:33.360 just a human being that is not god so that shows that you don't believe jesus is god because you

00:20:37.120 would compare him with god who is allah rather than that you compare prophet but we compare him to

00:20:41.540 prophet muhammad who is a prophet who is not god that's the first point i'll make the second point

00:20:45.120 i'll make if you say that prophet muhammad did these things whatever these things that you mentioned

00:20:49.560 going to war all of this stuff like marrying more multiple wives does that disqualify him in your

00:20:56.060 belief from being a prophet of god that's my question to you no that doesn't disqualify him from being a

00:21:01.400 prophet of god and and and two this this whole you've already lost win or lose i'm not lost i'm

00:21:07.900 not having a conversation to win or lose yeah i'm having a conversation not not not so i can go i won

00:21:13.860 i beat you bitch it's 1v3 first of all like that's a fair point my chances here are not you know

00:21:19.400 they're not the best that's a fair point but second of all second of all second of all i'm speaking

00:21:24.560 purely off of what i've been studying in my brain uh for the last four by the way i just recently

00:21:30.940 became religious okay i don't know if if you know that not four or five months ago i was 99 to

00:21:38.200 becoming a muslim okay the only thing stopped me was i have to tell my mom if in my soul and then

00:21:43.940 i got released from being kidnapped by the devil a day before easter so things changed for me um

00:21:50.920 but i'm not here to do a win or loss i'm here for a religious exercise right so and you saying oh

00:21:57.500 you already lost because you compared jesus christ to muhammad not lost not lost i'm saying defeated

00:22:03.280 from what sense from the sense is that you are going against the belief that you're proposing

00:22:08.900 which is the fact you the belief that you're pushing forward and proposing i'm looking at the

00:22:14.200 teachers i'm looking at the teachers of our religions i'm not i'm not speaking god versus god right

00:22:20.080 now i'm not saying jesus christ versus muhammad as god versus human i'm looking at the teachers of

00:22:24.160 our religions our teacher jesus christ but he's versus your teacher muhammad he's god in your

00:22:29.540 belief yes versus your teacher muhammad but i'm not i'm not comparing god for god i'm comparing

00:22:34.460 teacher versus teacher so do you agree teacher versus teacher do you agree that comparison is flawed

00:22:38.660 by nature if it's it's like apples and oranges what people say right that that comparison by definition

00:22:43.920 is flawed if one is god in your belief and one is just a human you cannot compare god to a human

00:22:48.820 unless unless you deep down this is the argument that i'm making right the defeat that when i say

00:22:53.400 defeat i mean the ideology is defeated that's what i mean it's to unless you deep down know that jesus

00:22:59.320 wasn't god which then it would make sense to compare him with another prophet if you want to compare you

00:23:04.000 compare the same right from the same thing so that is the point that i was making is when you when you

00:23:08.360 say oh jesus versus muhammad this is an argument that shouldn't be even peace be upon both of them

00:23:13.360 the argument shouldn't be even done from a christian uh perspective because jesus was god is not just a

00:23:18.640 human from their belief right now the things that prophet muhammad done you said something very

00:23:22.700 fair enough which i before you get into that before you let me just respond to this point of course

00:23:27.660 yeah jesus christ was a human okay but we're going to disagree on this point so there's no point of

00:23:33.680 trying to break down my semantics because you don't believe jesus christ was a god i believe he was

00:23:38.300 both god and human i know so we're past that point because we know we're not going to agree on that

00:23:42.080 so when i mentioned something like that and you try to dissect it as oh well you don't believe

00:23:46.920 because you made a comparison to muhammad you don't believe that jesus christ was god you've

00:23:50.280 already lost well we disagree on the definition of jesus christ yeah so there's no point of even

00:23:55.460 trying to break that down just move on to the point of we kept the muhammad part that you were about

00:24:01.200 to speak about right you know what i'm saying can we can i pause for a second uh wait arab i want to

00:24:05.620 we're not going to agree on that arab let me ask you for a second yeah young don wants to he thinks

00:24:11.100 young don says texting me saying it's a 3v1 he would like to join the discussion is that okay with you

00:24:14.860 sure i don't know i don't know who young don is but sure you don't know young don the sauce god

00:24:18.660 no no but yeah he's a christian and he's a good friend of mine and i haven't spoke to him in a

00:24:23.880 long time okay i have to make a new car yeah okay i didn't think he was gonna when he comes in when

00:24:30.320 he comes in let's continue this point lanter of course hold that point hold that point i want to

00:24:33.900 say something is very important like i that's why i like uh arab is because we have nice discussions

00:24:39.340 we allow each other to speak it's all chill this is how it should be yeah yeah of course we're not uh

00:24:43.820 right so hopefully you keep it not getting emotional like that yes absolutely

00:24:48.320 okay young don's joining uh soon i haven't spoken to him and um yeah it's gonna be cool

00:25:01.520 lantern lantern are you is is that your name or does lantern mean something no no muhammad is my

00:25:08.540 name my lantern is the channel name is a muslim lantern uh my name is muhammad yeah okay cool yeah

00:25:12.580 yeah so cool it's cool name yeah i appreciate it hey water is my name though that's my real name

00:25:17.380 yeah your name is cool too your name is cool too if i'd like i'm like you're getting

00:25:22.220 fakes and shit when you preach you'd be beating the shit ahead of people in la

00:25:26.480 don how are you bro nice to be called you should be called the inversor not the warner bro

00:25:32.840 hold up i need to mute rumble real quick my bet how's it going don yeah you know don what's up bro

00:25:39.220 i'm arab i'm your teammate today apparently holy war

00:25:43.960 uh appreciate you trying to defend the faith bro and uh what's up sneaker when uh who are your

00:25:50.140 your brothers what's up man so this is muhammad ali his youtube channel is the muslim lantern he's a

00:25:55.520 good friend of mine and i saw we covered it yesterday i saw that you agreed with me on the

00:25:58.780 age of marriage um my take on that debate with moist critical uh muslim lantern was like uh he thinks

00:26:04.340 i'm giving him too much credit but we he helped coach me through uh before the debate so like i was

00:26:09.240 running through the simulation with him beforehand so i do respect his intellect quite a bit

00:26:13.220 and this is the warner here he's a great dawah person obviously very smart too we travel quite

00:26:19.020 a bit um he showed me around mecca these things i was a good tour guide and helped me you know

00:26:24.620 helped me learn islam uh nice to meet you my brother i like your beard by the way you know

00:26:29.100 we're all happy still yeah one what keep it keep keep that point in mind that lantern was about to

00:26:35.460 talk about yeah hold it i was just making a small yap small uh quick yeah hold on let me do

00:26:41.060 yeah bro you know um i wouldn't exactly say i agree with you when it comes to the age of marriage

00:26:46.860 i was just saying that from the biological and historical arguments there can be made to justify

00:26:55.240 why we see certain normative practices in the past but you know those aren't standards that i would

00:27:02.360 apply to today right i agree that people mature much later today so like applying that standard obviously

00:27:07.620 i wouldn't like most 18 year olds and maybe 21 year olds are not like ready for marriage mentally

00:27:12.040 like they're not ready to do it but the only metric of uh judging adulthood is that puberty that's like

00:27:16.640 biologically true um and so if you're going to follow some sort of morality i think the only thing that

00:27:21.520 makes sense would be the quran or for you guys the bible yeah yeah you know like i said i think that

00:27:28.920 having the conversation from a biological scientific point of view is one thing and then you have the

00:27:36.740 historical point of view you know to so that we don't condemn all the people of the past who came

00:27:43.080 before us and because this is a practice we see throughout the entire world you know and um we see 14 to 16

00:27:52.840 being a very common age um you know catholic tradition teaches us that and by catholic i mean the universal

00:28:00.420 church the historical position has always been that mary conceived the lord between 14 and 16 and so

00:28:08.200 you know things were different in the past things were different in the past um do i believe that

00:28:15.140 we can apply those standards to today i don't by and large you know maybe there are some cultural

00:28:23.380 contexts that if people want to get into the nitty-gritty get into the nuances of those specific

00:28:28.760 cultures then maybe an argument can be made there but you know here in the west and in most parts of

00:28:35.000 the world i would say society and and and culture has changed so much to the point where the various

00:28:42.240 things that necessitated that kind of uh an approach to young marriages have changed

00:28:51.200 you know too significantly and that's directly of culture i think that's directly proportionate to

00:28:59.040 the amount of sexual perversion we have in the west so i would say that the age thing isn't really

00:29:04.980 uh uh uh a set age in a place where they don't have the level of sexual perversion

00:29:12.240 that we have in the west the reason it matters in the west is because if you are under that certain

00:29:16.540 age it definitely is based off of a perversion you know a sort of demonic behavior rather than back

00:29:24.340 then when they used to get married at 13 to an 18 it was about connecting the families you know it

00:29:30.920 was about having a a pure woman to to uh to to create a new bloodline with that kind of thing so

00:29:39.060 right and the ultimate point is that the age of marriage is better than having an age of consent

00:29:44.240 there shouldn't be the concept of age consent because it advocates for people to have premarital

00:29:48.300 sex so that's the overall point i obviously people are you know the liberals don't understand it or

00:29:52.720 they don't want to understand it so they're going to throw accusations but ultimately like

00:29:55.940 that's what prevent prevents girls from getting you know mistreated and taken advantage of because

00:30:00.960 guys just want to have premarital sex with them but arab i didn't want you to forget your point

00:30:04.220 uh let's go back to what we were saying yeah i want to go back to that point where we're speaking

00:30:08.160 about well hold on hold on pause pause pause arab how long you've been a christian bro i've been a

00:30:13.800 christian my whole life but i went about six years where i was chasing the fame and the materialistic

00:30:18.700 stuff that i stopped praying as much you know i i was focused on just i'm sorry just for the record

00:30:25.060 this is sparkling water i don't want anyone thinking i'm drinking beer or anything like that on stream but

00:30:29.860 yeah well even even if you were it wouldn't be my position to judge yeah there's a powerful verse

00:30:35.640 yeah but there's a powerful verse which but i won't pull these up during you know our arguments but

00:30:41.120 there's a powerful verse that stuck with me and it's uh why do you see the speck in your neighbor's

00:30:45.200 eye but do not notice the log in your own eye or how can you say to your neighbor friend let me take

00:30:50.020 out the speck in your eye when you yourself do not see the log in your own you know a very very powerful

00:30:55.080 verse that we we tend to judge often instead of looking inwards and looking at our own problems

00:31:01.020 uh we humans do that a lot so even if you had a beer bro do you man between you and god yeah no

00:31:09.140 i don't think it's a sin um the bible i don't think the bible teaches a sin just the mere consumption of

00:31:15.920 any amount of alcohol but you know i personally don't drink and i wanted to make that clear because

00:31:23.640 i know that i have to set an example with my conduct and um i'm not saying i would never drink

00:31:30.300 in certain settings maybe like a family get together i'm a christian not a muslim i know muslims have a

00:31:35.560 very hard uh stance when it comes to alcohol um but i don't drink recreationally i don't have any

00:31:43.020 alcohol in my house i don't you know anything like that um if i you know i'm at my mother's 60th

00:31:50.840 birthday and someone pours a glass of champagne for me will i drink it yeah i have no problem with

00:31:55.520 that but i'm not a okay so that that back to this point of of comparing the uh leaders of the

00:32:04.180 of the religions yeah i get what young don you think that this is a three view one arab said that

00:32:10.480 we shouldn't be speaking to uh i spoke to this other christian girl the other day demi and arab

00:32:15.080 tweeted publicly saying like oh look at you bullying and so i i told him before like let's have a discussion

00:32:19.920 he wanted to speak to muscle lantern he knows warner so this is not a three v one debate we just we

00:32:24.120 wanted to talk and arab was willing to don't this is not uh we're not coming here um jumping him

00:32:29.260 yeah we're conversing we're conversing arab because shortly before i came on shortly before i came on

00:32:36.340 you held up the bible and you said you're new to this religious stuff but then you know i'm not

00:32:40.800 do this religious stuff no no i'm i'm recently uh uh very devout okay all right so you've i was very

00:32:48.700 devout as as a kid i was very devout i went through a six-year period where i was chasing the wrong things

00:32:54.680 and then i had a very life-changing moment where i saw the devil with my own eyes okay well let me i

00:33:02.060 just wanted to come in and pump the brakes and say bro i you know the bible actually tells us that

00:33:11.240 we can do more harm than good if we try to engage in these kinds of conversations not being you know

00:33:19.680 fully prepared not being fully educated on all the things and so i think it's possible and i'm speaking

00:33:25.820 from experience here you know you can do more harm than good engaging in this kind of conversation

00:33:32.740 because i already witnessed you know a couple back and forths where you know he gave you some layups

00:33:39.160 and you didn't make them and so of course look that's and that's from what you've studied but i'm here

00:33:45.220 for a mental exercise i just want to take in their points and be able to up my eyes you have to realize

00:33:51.080 more than just your this debate is at stake right let's say this you do poorly in this debate

00:33:57.520 and then muhammad or um what was the other brother's name this is the warner one more time

00:34:03.620 the warner comes to warner right yes the warner let's say they do a they catch you they do a slam dunk

00:34:10.460 you might have just said some muslim back one two three more years from converting to christianity

00:34:16.960 do you want that don't don't don't we're having a conversation bro yeah if you're going to come

00:34:24.440 into this conversation and you're going to have an issue with me trying to strengthen my faith

00:34:28.540 yeah and understand the counterpoints that people are going to have against me

00:34:32.100 then maybe i want to say something we shouldn't both be in the same discord call right now

00:34:37.480 yeah i just want to say something here oh yeah there will be times okay hold on hold on one

00:34:47.200 second one one second one second so the plan for this discourse happen i'd rather there be some kind

00:34:53.420 of you know a little bit of back and forth between us then you continue to have this conversation

00:35:01.960 ill-prepared bro okay okay so the original plan for the stream was to speak with arab you know

00:35:08.020 he's a friend muslim lantern likes arab we like each other we're friends conversing right okay i

00:35:12.600 want to let muslim lantern chime in and the original plan was to speak to young don was speak

00:35:17.040 to you one-on-one uh just just me like it with no other no 3v1 situation like that it was just

00:35:22.920 just going to be that and then you texted me and you said you wanted to come in and like um that

00:35:27.360 was a 3v1 but yeah so i just want to say like very very few uh points first is like uh when you

00:35:34.020 say come to this prepared it kind of makes it seem as if like we're coming to do a specific task

00:35:39.500 with an agenda etc if you ask nico we're coming in the car for instance and then i mentioned to him

00:35:44.700 that i saw the tweet i said let's have a discussion he said do you want to do it i said yeah

00:35:47.320 let's text him literally we we walked from there we came here he started the stream right this is not

00:35:52.140 like a a plan arab wanted to have a discussion that's why he made that tweet and based

00:35:57.340 on that i said let's have a chat with him so we're willing to have chats second thing christians

00:36:01.400 always talk uh in the chat when we have a discussion with someone that you guys are not bringing any

00:36:06.300 someone knowledge when the minute we bring someone you you came in and you said don't talk to them so

00:36:10.880 we don't know really what to do right do you guys want to have a chat i'm not i'm not the person

00:36:15.460 if you you know if you guys nico if you actually want to have a productive wait nico if you want it

00:36:22.380 if you want to actually have a productive conversation between

00:36:25.480 like your your muslim brethren who seem to be you know have been in their faith for some time and

00:36:31.220 are knowledgeable you know i got guys that can have a real okay we weren't okay but don we weren't

00:36:38.880 coming into this with a debate attitude right first we we educated this girl demi said can you educate

00:36:43.800 me on islam she's a christian she asked me and so we spoke and then arab said why are you bullying

00:36:48.840 her so now we're speaking arab arab thought that she was unprepared so we're gonna speak to him

00:36:52.420 and then don comes in and says arab's unrepair and then so where are we gonna go are we gonna go

00:36:57.280 to the pope like how many people do we like we could just we could just have a conversation

00:37:01.700 i'm here to have a conversation yes and arab is your man look you're a man you're free will you can

00:37:10.200 do whatever you want i'm just saying here as one christian to another as somebody who's been doing

00:37:18.040 this online probably a little bit longer than you and someone who's seen the you know what can come

00:37:25.380 of this i'm just saying like this isn't if you want to have that and if you wanted to have this

00:37:30.880 conversation in private i say do it all day you know but you have thousands of impressionable people

00:37:36.100 watching thousands of soldiers i have i have i have a just you have people you have people on

00:37:41.220 the fence you don't want to know and and and who are you to decide that if if let's say i do fumble a

00:37:48.980 a response that i can't respond to who are you to decide that that has more negative versus positive

00:37:54.180 effect how do you know how the viewers react you're being the judge right now i just want to say

00:37:58.800 being the judge well here the bible says that i just read you a verse where jesus preaches

00:38:05.320 tonight i can read you a verse where the bible clearly says that new converts are not allowed

00:38:10.660 to teach i'm not he's not teaching he's not here to teach he's having a conversation i'm not a new

00:38:16.360 cover i'm by no means a scholar but i'm not a new convert bro i went to catholic school i went to

00:38:22.040 church multiple times multiple times a week i i've been praying for a long long time i used to

00:38:28.920 want to be a priest as a kid i just fell into the wrong things for a short amount of time so i'm back

00:38:34.260 and i'm here to strengthen my faith and yeah sure there will be views on this but there's going to be

00:38:38.700 a lot of views about christians fighting now because you came in and you did this i got home christian

00:38:46.060 versus christian turn around while the three muslims watch like we haven't even gotten to the point to be

00:38:51.040 able to speak at each other because you hopped in here for us to be three v two and it said you four

00:38:55.060 v one no it's not four v one bro i'm just i'm just telling you to pump the brakes bro i'm just telling

00:39:02.640 you to pump the brakes um you know me and sneaker had a conversation lined up and so that's why i

00:39:09.280 wanted to come in here but yeah don i'll speak to you i'll speak if you if you want to go ahead and

00:39:14.720 and debate these guys bro go ahead we're not debating don is it okay can i call you in a bit for

00:39:20.640 for the one-on-one of combo i do want to speak to you i have like interview questions prepared for

00:39:23.900 you all right sure thing sure thing okay i'll recall you in about 30 minutes is that 30 45 is that okay

00:39:30.180 yeah yeah go ahead yeah okay before you move him please one second yeah because i just don't want

00:39:34.920 to say anything but after he leaves about him i want to say it when he's here okay yeah uh like

00:39:39.780 with all due respect i don't know you i don't we didn't speak before right you might you have had an

00:39:44.760 interaction i i know she had man if it did not go the way you want it to go but that doesn't mean

00:39:49.820 that every muslim is trying to do the same thing and i'm saying that with respect to you i understand

00:39:53.500 you came and i understand your perspective you came you're looking out for arab you don't want

00:39:57.220 the same thing that happened to happen again right i completely get that that's not what we're doing

00:40:01.780 here i'm having a discussion a very nice discussion with arab we're chatting he's allowing me to speak

00:40:06.280 i'm allowing him to speak if you compare the discussion you had with the discussion we're having

00:40:10.300 you'll see the difference just have a look after it's a discussion where someone speaks about what he

00:40:14.560 believes and i speak about what i believe and what arab is saying is literally what every christian

00:40:18.720 says doesn't matter what his level of knowledge he will also always come with the idea 100 man 100

00:40:23.820 god coming to show the world you will say the same thing i believe right you wouldn't disagree with me

00:40:28.340 that you will make these same exact points right these are not wrong points and i know yeah i would

00:40:32.560 i would disagree with you i would disagree with you okay so and i think i can prove i think i can prove

00:40:38.700 that your opinion right here is mistaken by bringing on one of my several friends who

00:40:44.440 specializes in uh muslim and christian debates but in the beginning of by the way in the stream

00:40:51.140 we already made some uh kind of call outs if you know whatever term you want to use to the people

00:40:56.400 that always the christian community speaks about right so it's not like we are saying let's not talk

00:41:00.920 to about to the guys that have been talking against islam really you know i'm not going to say for

00:41:05.020 christianity they've been talking about against islam for years we can have a discussion with them as

00:41:08.980 well but right now arab made the tweet i want to have a chat with him he wants to have a chat with us

00:41:13.020 we're having a nice time and and that's it that's what i'm going to say right so i i appreciate you

00:41:18.520 coming in and i can see that you're coming out of love and i'm saying that with respect to you

00:41:22.580 and you can look at the discussion it's going to be a chat uh and i might make mistakes you know i say

00:41:28.200 anyone can make mistakes we're not perfect and that's it we'll have a chat with arab and and there's

00:41:32.540 no winners or losers he made that point we're having a discussion i told him it's a fair point it's

00:41:36.100 not about winning and losing it's about having a discussion engagement he's thinking about things he wants

00:41:39.920 to experiment with other people from other faith and we'll have a nice chat that's it

00:41:43.340 all right yeah like i said like yeah i don't know who it is that you called out before but if you

00:41:50.240 are having yeah if you are serious about having a serious conversation with uh a christian

00:41:56.420 apologist who specializes in having these kind of dialogues i can bring somebody on you know somebody

00:42:02.060 that could give a guy like adam some assistance you know what i mean yeah we we did as i said made

00:42:07.920 made a a call out he mentioned the name to you as well right now and that is what all of the

00:42:12.660 people in the comments that's one person i wasn't even thinking about sam shimoon okay is that person

00:42:17.000 good or do you or do you or it is not good from your perspective sam shimoon sam shimoon is an

00:42:22.740 excellent debate okay that's it so we made a call out it's so we have that discussion we can have

00:42:27.300 that discussion if you know i'm not i'm not i i said i wasn't thinking about sam shimoon

00:42:32.920 no but if it works it works right it doesn't have to be a specific person you know right

00:42:36.600 sam shimoon look sam shimoon is his is he is his own person you feel me and i don't know what he's

00:42:42.440 doing he could be spending time with his children right now so just because you call out you drop

00:42:47.140 sam shimoon's name we'll do it at a certain time we don't need to do it right now today we're speaking

00:42:51.220 to arab another day we'll speak to whoever and then we'll early in the stream this guy jay day

00:42:55.720 wanted to speak and he was on a public twitter space every time we speak to a christian

00:42:59.460 they always bring out someone else there's always like a new character popping up like it's it's hard

00:43:03.420 to speak to one without uh you know going to another person and but we're willing to have the

00:43:07.780 conversations just one at a time yeah no certainly i i was just standing on biblical principles you

00:43:14.960 know somebody i respect who has not been appointed to a position of authority really should not be

00:43:20.220 engaging in these kinds of discourses and so that's well neither are we we're not positions of

00:43:25.120 authority that's what you believe we're not positions of authority i think i think i think

00:43:30.760 that someone can engage in conversation in order to learn yeah no that's not what this is bro you

00:43:36.800 have to understand you're on a public platform in front of thousands of people if you want to

00:43:40.920 engage in a conversation with somebody of course i am i encourage i encourage you to do that all day

00:43:46.040 but look i didn't come on here look i didn't come on here to war with you uh if you feel strongly

00:43:52.360 about this i i was really just coming to shoot you some bail maybe transition this conversation to

00:43:58.460 the uh conversation that i had planned to have with sneaker but look bro if you want to keep

00:44:04.380 going 3v1 against these guys you know you're it's not 3v1 it's 4v1 right now it's 4v1 it's not

00:44:13.020 it's not for you join in and lantern hasn't lantern hasn't even had a chance at all it's been

00:44:18.920 15 minutes of you going in at me bro here's the difference between these guys and what's

00:44:27.500 happening between me and you right now as a fellow christian i'm just trying to publicly give you

00:44:35.320 you know some brotherly feedback as believers in jesus christ these guys are trying to tear down

00:44:42.920 the faith of christ these guys are trying to destroy um the beliefs of christians trying to

00:44:50.580 continue to embolden and and strengthen the beliefs of muslims that's that's what that was but i haven't

00:44:58.140 attacked your character you know i'm glad you're a christian but like i said bro if you want to

00:45:05.380 continue this debate i'll i'll bow out bro donna i'll call you in about 30 i'll call you in about

00:45:12.040 30 45 okay yeah yeah go okay bro i'll i'll touch you in a bit all right okay anyway okay before we start

00:45:24.840 let's repeat the point for the new viewers our our last point that was that i brought up that when

00:45:49.140 you compare the the leaders or the prophets of both religions uh the people who spoke the the law

00:45:56.500 the people who spoke the word of god so muhammad versus jesus christ you see that jesus christ is a

00:46:03.440 very uh forgiving you know he preaches forgiveness he preaches uh not harming other people he he never

00:46:12.820 sinned you know he he he never lusted he he never enacted wrath whereas when you look at somebody

00:46:21.200 like muhammad you see someone who waged multiple wars who very often gave into uh i would say lustful

00:46:30.080 desires you might argue it as not lustful desires because it was through marriage you know he had 32

00:46:35.180 wives if i'm not mistaken no no um and i don't know how many i don't know how many i don't know how

00:46:41.600 many but i i remember seeing you you'll correct me yeah yeah it's fine like i said i'm not super 100

00:46:47.880 on the facts as you would be um and and and also

00:46:51.660 mutha marriages for example uh yeah okay so those don't really ring the right way either yeah these are

00:47:00.560 the points you mentioned uh before uh yeah so uh we just like uh talked about this idea of comparison

00:47:07.040 but we'll get into it now so i asked you a question which i think is is just sufficient for me uh is all

00:47:13.640 i want as a muslim essentially is what when i said does these things disqualify him from being a prophet

00:47:19.320 in your belief and you said no because in our tradition all all what we what muslims are saying is

00:47:24.660 that prophet muhammad is a messenger of god right and we don't like to look at this uh as like a

00:47:29.700 a competition between two prophets or messengers or do you know what i'm saying so if someone were

00:47:33.920 to say i believe prophet muhammad was a prophet and jesus was a prophet and moses i would say okay

00:47:37.480 exactly that's what islam is right so it's a problem when someone says that this uh is not a prophet

00:47:42.720 because of these things then because no no i don't i don't think that disqualifies anyone from being a

00:47:48.180 prophet yeah i think i think when you compare what is being a christian being a christian is following

00:47:54.520 in the path of christ it's it's what we believe as the perfect human the perfect human came down

00:48:01.600 god says someone is the perfect human to give us an example of how we should act okay and when i look

00:48:07.720 when i look at jesus christ someone who we uh you won't agree but you just said pure so it's but that

00:48:15.580 we would say never sinned right okay that's what the perfect human is that's what we should act but we

00:48:20.720 all fucking suck so we fail anyway okay so so uh the idea of being sinless uh i'm gonna also respond

00:48:27.440 to the points you made about prophet muhammad in a minute but the thing is this according to the bible

00:48:31.660 there's other people who are also sinless not only jesus so if you say just if someone is a perfect

00:48:36.560 human being jesus is unique because he did not commit any sin according to the bible there's other

00:48:41.220 people who didn't commit sin if you open for example the gospel of luke uh verse number six it talks

00:48:46.300 about uh elizabeth and zachariah mother and father of of john the baptist verse number six or or or

00:48:52.880 book six no for luke the beginning of luke i was on it actually it's it's it's funny first number six

00:49:00.120 what does it because i'm i'm on luke six allah will do allah will do this is the size i'm gonna say

00:49:05.360 it's gonna say right it talks about zachariah by the way fresh and fit thank you for the read

00:49:09.340 yeah it talks about john the baptist is it verse six or book six you're talking about no verse six

00:49:14.640 okay luke one verse six yes

00:49:18.060 right go on it talks about zachariah and and elizabeth and it says that they walked in all

00:49:25.260 the commandments of god and they and they walked blamelessly so there was no blame at all they

00:49:30.200 followed all the commandments perfectly and sin is to break the law to break the commandments

00:49:33.540 if you did not break the law then you are sinless by default so i'm saying if jesus even if we were to

00:49:38.460 accept basically the argument because i told you in the quran this wording is not used but even if

00:49:42.180 we were to accept it according to the christian tradition he's not the only one so it's not even

00:49:45.960 a unique in that sense okay we're we're not saying that that's the only thing that makes him

00:49:51.000 god right he fulfilled many prophecies as well sure we can prophecies yes from the original ngeo

00:49:56.880 yes we can talk about that no problem we can talk about the prophecies right but i want prophet

00:50:00.660 muhammad first uh peace be upon him first okay yeah let's let's go to that point yeah see peace be

00:50:04.660 you see what i'm saying like you said he's not the leader jesus we say peace be upon all the

00:50:09.880 prophets all the prophets even when we mention jesus all right go and we see him being disrespected

00:50:14.060 we say peace be upon him too and peace be upon everyone who follows the guidance allah also

00:50:21.040 says peace be upon the messengers generally so when we say peace be upon them generally all of the

00:50:26.240 messengers of god we use the same term for jesus for moses for noah for abraham that's not unique to

00:50:31.160 prophet muhammad right uh i was just saying leader i just wanted to understand your idea of what you

00:50:36.660 mean by leader but prophet muhammad alayhi salatu wasalam when you say mercy you talk about merciful

00:50:41.280 and talk about mercy right uh have you read like for example the life of prophet muhammad what he did

00:50:47.200 what he didn't do how he lived his life i'll give you one example for a very simple example

00:50:50.560 prophet muhammad alayhi salatu wasalam spent 13 years in mecca in the beginning of of his uh messenger

00:50:57.000 okay when he was telling people about god he spent 13 years in mecca the pagan arabs tortured

00:51:02.120 him in every way you can imagine they killed his companions they were about to kill him multiple

00:51:07.240 times they uh persecuted him day and night and he was calling people to god okay this is what

00:51:15.400 prophet muhammad alayhi salatu was doing all of that time there was no calling to arm allah did not

00:51:19.500 give the prophet alayhi salatu wasalam the command to fight or do anything then the prophet left because

00:51:23.280 of the persecution because they were plotting to kill him he left he went to medina when prophet

00:51:28.340 muhammad alayhi salatu wasalam went to medina when he came later on to conquest mecca now because of

00:51:33.500 course they left their homes they left their goods they left everything that's where they were born but

00:51:37.060 they had to leave because they were they were going to die when he came back with an army of 10 000

00:51:42.320 people the people that been persecuting you killing some of your loved ones and companions in front of your

00:51:48.780 own eyes for 13 years you have them now you have a 10 000 people army and you have them as prisoners

00:51:54.920 what are you going to do to them

00:51:55.840 not kill them okay all right okay so what did prophet muhammad alayhi salatu do he said no blame on you

00:52:06.920 today and unto mutlaka you're free and he let them go now if we talk about mercy right this is the

00:52:14.560 best manifestation that you can talk about for sure yes one example yes so if someone says and i can

00:52:20.160 give many many many more right i was just giving sneak an example of the man who entered can you give

00:52:24.600 examples where he slaughtered people okay let's talk about it you can give me an incident and then i can

00:52:30.060 give you the historical background behind sorry well you you know the incident's better than me

00:52:34.000 like i said i'm not well versed i will read the quran eventually but you you would know one so

00:52:38.800 can you give me an incident where he slaughtered people because he did right that's fine prophet

00:52:42.700 muhammad himself with his own hands killed only one person that we have record of and that would

00:52:47.160 surprise you he was the leader yes but the people that we have a report of him killing is actually

00:52:50.960 only one person and that individual said in wars either i will die today today or muhammad he said that

00:52:57.080 so he was his aim in that war was to find prophet muhammad wherever he is and that's why he was killed

00:53:03.040 by the prophet one person okay okay talk about armies now as i said we have to look at which

00:53:08.460 battle are you referring to etc prophet muhammad is not going around killing people etc right when

00:53:13.380 people say prophet muhammad killed they usually talk about armies or talk about battles or talk about

00:53:17.380 issues like that right but he but he waged those wars right okay the overwhelming majority

00:53:24.860 of the wars that happen when i say overwhelming let's say nine from ten from the wars that happened were

00:53:30.680 defensive at the time of the life of the prophet muhammad if you're talking specifically about

00:53:33.880 prophet muhammad it was not offensive badr the first one uh the second badr al-ahzab

00:53:39.020 khanda all of these were defensive wars because as i said to you these groups were trying to kill

00:53:44.040 the prophet the minute the prophet as i told you left medina they came to fight him badr was the

00:53:48.140 first battle it was 300 uh with the prophet barely any weapons and 10 000 of the disbelievers with

00:53:53.480 high equipment and weapon and they lost the disbelievers but they were trying to kill the

00:53:57.060 prophet and then you had and then you have all of these battles literally the prophet is defending

00:54:01.660 himself in mecca and medina from those people who are trying to eliminate him completely from that

00:54:06.580 region because eliminate eliminate him and eliminate what the word of god yeah eliminate the followers

00:54:12.280 the word of god calling against do you believe yeah do you believe god needs you to to fight for

00:54:17.520 do you believe god needs you to defend him god doesn't you don't you don't think god yeah you don't

00:54:21.960 think god's strong enough to defend himself god doesn't need anyone but god uses people as means

00:54:27.200 to fulfill certain purposes god can you slaughtering people okay give me an example so far with all

00:54:33.660 the respect to you arab you know you're a nice guy but i i like the thing about me is i'm a fact

00:54:37.980 god so when someone says the prophet did this i give you a fact for instance the prophet only one

00:54:42.420 person yeah yeah right if you want to say a prophet was slaughtering people you have to give me

00:54:45.900 examples right you have to give me instances and then i'll give you when you when you made yours

00:54:51.120 you said he waged wars i mean he might have not killed them by himself with his hand but like

00:54:55.320 okay let's say i put out a let's say i put out a hit on someone right sure let's say i put out a

00:55:00.000 hit i take someone ten thousand dollars to kill somebody i don't like sure they do it they do it

00:55:05.260 okay the the trace is not to me sure is the blood on my hands yes the blood is in your hand but the

00:55:11.800 question is the blood is on my hands yeah yes yes but the question is did that person deserve punishment

00:55:17.200 are you saying under any circumstances you're not punishment for god like that no no i'm asking

00:55:22.900 you a question it's not for us to enact punishment for the lord okay i'll ask you a question then

00:55:26.740 in the bible in the old testament when the creator directly commanded if you want to open numbers 31

00:55:33.680 verse 17 direct command from god or actually you can open first samuel 15 verse 3 i can give you

00:55:40.060 multiple examples direct command from god not only to slaughter human beings by infants and babies and

00:55:44.880 sucklers and sheep sunk out and that's direct command to a human being to do that so why you're

00:55:50.360 saying is not in line with what the bible says even the new testament god the god god was god was much

00:55:56.300 more wrathful in the old testament was a different god in the new testament in the new testament in the

00:56:02.060 new testament after he sends his son jesus christ to show us what it's like to be a perfect human

00:56:09.020 he preaches mercy he preaches turning the other cheek okay he preaches when they come to kill me

00:56:16.000 i will let them i won't fight them you know they they they the disciples slice someone's ear off and he

00:56:22.520 goes no okay let them take me you don't need to fight for me sure you don't need to fight for god

00:56:28.700 yeah we we preach we fight spiritually we we we say what we do but to physically hurt people and enact

00:56:36.540 wrath that's not that's not a work of god bro that's the work of the devil so arab i noticed you just

00:56:43.780 noticed that you said that god created jesus as an example right god for us for us to follow right

00:56:52.680 yes for us exactly it's an example that we cannot follow preach the word of god so he created an

00:56:58.560 example that humans will never be able to follow that's what you're saying because he's so perfect

00:57:03.540 that humans can never be like jesus according to what you guys believe right he sent jesus to show

00:57:11.280 us one to save us for our sins but to show us yes to show us what it's like okay so he's the example

00:57:18.820 but we can't follow that example like are you following me right now yeah we can we can do our

00:57:23.980 best to follow in that light but we will fail because we suck bro we're humans no no i understand so

00:57:31.840 he's the example the seven deadly sins yeah the devil the devil is much smarter than us bro you

00:57:37.020 can't outwit the devil without the no so in islam we don't give in islam we don't give power to the

00:57:42.500 devil we don't believe in that we say the devil is very weak we don't say the devil is powerful we

00:57:47.120 don't do that yeah we don't give power to the devil so you said that okay but he's not stronger than

00:57:53.540 god yeah yeah we know that okay so so okay so jesus jesus we see the devil all the time well one

00:58:00.000 second so okay jesus is the example to follow but we can't follow him because he's too perfect okay

00:58:04.960 and then then the next thing is do you know what jesus is going to do when he comes back

00:58:08.780 in the second coming yeah uh it's in revelation i believe so what is he going to do arab that's a

00:58:14.440 great point man what do you think jesus is going to do when he comes back arab

00:58:17.520 how do you scratch your beard like slaughter yeah oh slaughter yeah slaughter is he gonna wage war

00:58:27.260 arab slaughter yeah oh yeah he will and revelations once revelations is enacted when it's the end of

00:58:33.680 the world he will okay because then the spiritual battle is done biologic so by is that the work of

00:58:38.740 the devil the the spiritual battle is done no that's the work of god you know the thing the thing is

00:58:44.760 this like uh you're comparing revelation you're comparing the end of the world to now it's the

00:58:49.800 same way when you compare the old testament to after the coming of christ yeah it's not the same

00:58:54.240 with all the respect the world is over yeah with all the respect arab i can see i see something that

00:58:59.800 christians do all the time and it's not consistent which is the point that was about to make which is

00:59:03.840 christians pick and choose when jesus is god when jesus is not god i'll tell you what i mean by that

00:59:08.060 you believe you how did i pick and choose one i'll tell you and then you tell me if i'm wrong

00:59:12.400 you believe in the trinity correct i believe that you believe yes yeah okay since you believe in the

00:59:17.820 trinity when you say god of the old testament when i give an example of the old testament

00:59:22.040 was that god of the trinity includes does it same god yeah does it include jesus

00:59:27.060 no oh but in the old testament it's the father so not he sends his son in the new testament no it

00:59:34.940 says when it says a command from god that should mean the three persons including jesus

00:59:38.520 the old testament the old testament is the father the father almighty so when he sends his son

00:59:47.280 he sends his son and he works through him okay so when he works through him he has the divine nature

00:59:54.280 but arab you're missing something there uh when it says god there's a difference when it says the

00:59:59.240 father because there are instances when it mentions father in the old testament directly with the personhood

01:00:03.580 but whenever it uses the term god in your belief that includes the three persons also the father

01:00:08.860 and son and the holy spirit are one so when it says god commanded something that includes jesus so

01:00:13.460 this is what i say that christians say jesus is god when they like from the sense is that this was a

01:00:18.040 command from jesus when the instances i mentioned first samuel 15 3 and number 17 that jesus commanded

01:00:25.160 the slaughter of human beings now you can say what you said god changed but then i'll say to you

01:00:30.400 god doesn't have change of personalities the bible says god is not subject to change

01:00:33.840 the celestial verse in the bible by the way so god does not one time he's he wants to kill babies and

01:00:38.960 children and infants and succulents and the next day he becomes something else and that's why the point

01:00:43.860 that warner mentioned about the new testament is is coming back to the same story now when you see

01:00:49.420 jesus i'll respond to the story you mentioned as well uh about when the ear was cut and he said to his

01:00:54.120 disciple whatever it is jesus was in a position of weakness prophet muhammad a.salaam you cannot compare the

01:00:59.520 life of prophet muhammad 23 years to three years of the life of jesus prophet muhammad when he was in

01:01:04.520 a position in the beginning of calling people to islam they were weak so even if they were fighting

01:01:09.240 they will die allah did not give them a command to fight right so when you talk about jesus for

01:01:13.840 instance he said give to caesar with that which is due to caesar he was under subordination to the

01:01:18.840 empire the roman empire at the time with the empire emperor at the time he was under subordination so

01:01:23.300 he said to his followers to follow he knows the outcome also of rebelling because if he causes

01:01:27.940 rebellion there will be war they will kill them like okay let's go against the army and kill them

01:01:31.960 and find their back so it's not an argument to say when you are in a position of weakness

01:01:35.300 do you know why i give you an example of prophet muhammad because the prophet muhammad is in a

01:01:38.880 position of power not weakness he had 10 000 people with him that's mercy you are in a position of power

01:01:45.220 you can slaughter and take revenge from the people who persecuted you for 13 years

01:01:49.520 but you choose to let them go free slaughter your dog right so i'm saying there is a difference

01:01:54.620 instead of saying that jesus was merciful you're saying he was too weak so he didn't fight

01:01:59.120 no i'm saying that was the wisdom is that if he did that then the empire would say that's a threat

01:02:04.960 who's trying to make a political army against us and therefore they will be fighting and killing

01:02:09.780 right so i've not used the word too weak i'm not trying to be offensive here right but i'm making

01:02:14.160 i'm making a point you're saying jesus didn't fight yes your argument was that jesus didn't fight

01:02:18.320 yeah and i believe jesus is not god you would believe he was powerful we believe he was a human

01:02:22.220 yeah yeah you but you're saying jesus didn't fight at that point because he was gonna he would

01:02:27.340 have died if he fought from our belief as a human being yes there's many prophets of god who died

01:02:31.460 who were killed like he was going to be crucified that was the fulfillment of the prophecy yeah they

01:02:37.060 were there to take him to die yeah so the reason he didn't fight okay is because he would have died

01:02:42.440 but you know that's a different point that we don't believe as well right and we can come to that

01:02:46.680 did jesus want to die uh jesus wanted to die he didn't want to die but he came down to die for

01:02:54.820 our sins he was sent by the father so god didn't want to die but someone forced him to die

01:02:58.340 i mean if you want to label it like that you want to turn it into binary black and white

01:03:04.960 yeah okay yeah his mission his mission was to come down and die for us okay so this is the thing

01:03:11.640 we as muslims don't believe anyone can force god to do anything we believe the creator does what

01:03:15.800 he wills and what he wishes there's no entity of nothing on of course in existence that can make

01:03:21.580 god do something not forced yeah not forced yeah not wanting to do something not wanting to do

01:03:27.460 something and still doing it doesn't mean you're forced to do it i don't want to go to the gym i'll

01:03:32.440 change what i said i don't want to go to the gym i don't enjoy going to the gym i still do it i'll

01:03:36.720 change what i said in our belief as muslims god does not do anything he doesn't want to do he does

01:03:41.280 everything he wants to do and there's nothing he doesn't want to do that he does because the

01:03:44.900 creator is all powerful so he does what he wishes and what he will so in our belief there's the

01:03:49.200 difference between this idea right jesus did not want to die not only that if you believe in you

01:03:53.840 in your as you said of course that he's sinless or pure or whatever term you want to use then it is

01:03:58.580 not just by default to punish him for the sins that you do and i do and people do he did not commit them

01:04:04.500 he did not do them and he did not want to die therefore he should not be punished for something he did

01:04:09.760 not do himself that's very basic you know uh thing in law obviously yeah so let's let's let's have a

01:04:16.300 little mental exercise here on the god doesn't do anything he doesn't want to do okay um and this

01:04:22.740 is not based off of scripture or anything it's just based off of me logically breaking it down

01:04:26.500 sure uh when god punishes someone to eternal hell fire right do you believe god is excited to do that

01:04:35.800 or does he feel bad that one of his creations has chosen to follow satan instead i believe god does

01:04:43.640 that because he god knows that this person deserves it that person he might deserve eternal hell fire

01:04:52.760 yeah but is it that he deserves eternal hell fire is that he doesn't deserve the kingdom

01:04:56.520 no he deserves the eternal hell fire it's not just if he doesn't deserve it it's not just if he doesn't

01:05:02.460 deserve it yeah because uh arab you have to understand in islam what would we believe that

01:05:06.660 anytime a believer does something good immediately they're rewarded for their good and the reward is

01:05:13.260 multiplied by 10 anytime they do something bad it's not immediately recorded till later on hoping that

01:05:20.300 that individual will ask for forgiveness i understand arab's question though he's asking

01:05:24.520 like can god reluctantly do something like how emotional is god exactly god is not a human he's

01:05:29.680 not like like okay uh this is very difficult for me to do but i'm gonna do it the creator is the all

01:05:35.740 wise all knowing all power he whatever the creator does stems from wisdom and stems from justice so

01:05:40.920 does allah get angry anger is there but it's not the anger of humans allah says in the quran

01:05:46.180 there's nothing like unto allah so the anger of boiling blood that we have as human that's not

01:05:51.240 the anger of the creator right so whenever we use a description of allah's attributes that is not

01:05:58.140 like the attributes that human possess it is unlike it in every way possible that's our belief as

01:06:02.400 muslims that's why we say god is not a man but not only that the bible says god is not a man even

01:06:06.140 though arab agreed and he said god jesus was a man the bible literally word for word says god is not a

01:06:11.140 man in hosiah chapter 9 verse 11 and in numbers 23 17 i believe so uh all over the bible

01:06:17.980 right yeah well this this this argument goes back to the jesus christ versus god which we don't agree

01:06:24.880 on so pinning going back to it as a as a uh what's it called right as a flaw in the bible we disagree

01:06:34.040 on jesus christ okay let me ask you this correct i think the most important question is this then

01:06:38.520 right then i'm making comparisons and this and that was jesus god himself walking on earth i think

01:06:45.740 that is the most important question to ask there's the biggest difference and my question to you will

01:06:49.680 be right for us to judge whether jesus was god himself walking on earth that should come from

01:06:55.900 jesus's statements himself his his own mouth what he said and what he did okay i believe that's a

01:07:00.980 the father i know i've heard this i've heard this before that's not what i've heard this before

01:07:08.360 you're gonna you're gonna cite a bible verse i was gonna say he says i can't do without the father

01:07:13.320 how's it yeah yeah this okay go ahead but i like that you brought that up you know it's not gonna do

01:07:18.660 that right what i was gonna do is ask you where are these instances or verses or what makes you believe

01:07:26.020 that from the statements of jesus himself that's what i was about i would like actually to explore

01:07:31.200 what you think rather than tell you this and this i ask you okay you you believe jesus is that

01:07:36.100 why do you believe that looking at jesus statements if we accept the reliable yeah look if we're going

01:07:42.920 through jesus exact statements um i can't cite them like you can right i don't have these memorized

01:07:48.160 yeah i'm just reading the bible every day i wake up i read you know i i'm studying it so i'm not

01:07:53.960 going to be able to to one-to-one conversation with you on jesus's exact statements okay you'll

01:07:58.940 you'll smoke me it'll get into debate territory okay let's let's let's let's go back to a point

01:08:04.140 that warner brought about the 10x warner can you repeat the 10x thing that you said

01:08:07.620 yeah i'm just saying that off the top all allah is so merciful allah is so kind he did not create us

01:08:14.740 to punish us the people who went to the hellfire they deserved the hellfire i'm just saying off top

01:08:21.960 allah he created the system that benefits the believers and obviously the disbelievers they will

01:08:28.920 be punished uh for you know uh for being arrogant towards the truth and i hope you're not gonna be

01:08:35.700 arrogant towards the truth one day as well well well i wouldn't i wouldn't ever say that you're

01:08:42.460 going to hell it's not for me to judge and i would i would hope that if you were uh ignorant to the

01:08:48.240 truth warner that god would be merciful on you i don't think that he he wouldn't be um as long as

01:08:54.780 your heart and your intentions are pure and you walk in a path which is uh uh pure but i there's a

01:09:01.700 point that i want to bring up i'm interested to hear your opinion here lantern uh about hasanat

01:09:07.060 okay um and then two two you never answered about the motah marriage oh yeah i've come to that i

01:09:12.020 mentioned multi-marriage i can't answer anything at the same time you just give me one point

01:09:15.320 no no you're right you're right it was it was but let's go back to multi-marriage and then we'll

01:09:20.000 talk about hasanat and then we can we can call it off okay and you can bring in young dawn okay

01:09:24.820 mut'ah marriage is prohibited in islam the prophet prohibited mut'ah marriage in islam it does not

01:09:29.340 happen what you're referring to is a group of chi'ah who this who do the specific practice not all of

01:09:34.240 them even w shears and we love the shears and and this is a very a very minute group of muslims

01:09:40.240 and less than 10 percent of muslims is a minority and that is something that they do but it's not

01:09:44.200 islamic right if you look at the statements of the prophet the prophet forbade it explicitly we've

01:09:49.020 got multiple reports from the prophet saying that so that is not like a an argument i guess

01:09:53.340 that's that's why even i don't think it's even a big point right i guess in islam that's why even

01:09:56.960 it's very easy to respond to so that was the first thing about mut'ah marriage right second thing is

01:10:01.520 you said you wanted to hear my thoughts about something what was it oh it's about getting

01:10:08.940 getting points for converting people sure so uh this is i i talked to sneak up with this before

01:10:15.200 private label we don't look at the good deeds that we do and we like we have a notebook or something

01:10:20.600 and we okay 10 today 11 12 20 i'll tell you the the simple reason why even if we wanted to do that

01:10:26.640 we would not be able to the re the simple reason uh is there's a lot of sins that we commit that we

01:10:32.400 are unaware of we don't notice them so we're not going to be able to count there's some good deeds

01:10:36.820 that we do that even we're not unaware we're also unaware of that happens due to impacts of that we

01:10:41.680 do that have reaches other people we have no clue about so we cannot even calculate if we want it

01:10:46.240 second thing is the quran and islam doesn't tell you this action 10 points this action 100 points

01:10:51.460 it doesn't happen allah says yeah allah says he will reward this he will work that he doesn't

01:10:56.300 tell you what the reward is allah says you'll punish this doesn't tell you this is minus this

01:10:59.700 point so no muslim looks at this as like you know what i'm calculating this point actually a lot of

01:11:04.280 you a lot of them do actually then then they're wrong because but i'm saying they don't look at it

01:11:08.280 one plus one i have a hundred today that's what i mean none of them would do that like we have

01:11:12.140 one thousand one more one billion now because they don't have numbers but but they do it's the same

01:11:16.260 as before ramadan if you start fasting 40 days if you don't commit big sins before ramadan

01:11:20.940 you get double hasanad no that's not that's not true by the way but but i get what you're saying

01:11:26.940 but you get what i'm saying you get you get what you're saying is fair there are muslims who try

01:11:33.120 who look at it more like back and forth transactional in a way but that's not the majority i'll argue

01:11:38.880 that's not the majority number one number two even if it was i don't argue for what muslims do that

01:11:43.660 is wrong i argue for islam so islam as an ideology is perfect if we were to find some muslims doing

01:11:49.240 applying it incorrectly they're not the example and i'll tell you why that's not islam clearly and

01:11:53.720 explicitly prophet muhammad himself was asked does any of us will enter his jannah paradise with his

01:12:01.020 deeds the prophet said no he said even they said to him even you oh prophet of allah he said even me

01:12:06.300 so it's not about the deeds he said except if allah showers me with his mercy or encompasses me with his

01:12:12.880 mercy that's how we enter paradise but a condition to attain that mercy is to do as good as you can as

01:12:18.940 much as good as you can that's how you attain the mercy of allah but it is not the reason you enter

01:12:24.600 paradise it is the mercy of god because the minute you're born you're already indebted to god you're

01:12:28.520 breathing you're you have a provision given to you all of that you're already indebted you cannot pay

01:12:33.700 that back but but your deeds they can buy you a higher level in jannah again it's not buy and sell

01:12:41.740 right it's if they can get you a higher level in jannah they can earn you yes because god is just and if

01:12:48.480 someone uh you know avoided his desires and did as best as he can in comparison to someone else who

01:12:55.220 followed those desires more they cannot be on the same level because that's not just justice is to

01:13:01.160 reward the person based on the actions that they've done if you've done more if you did just like like

01:13:05.900 we do even as human beings even though we are not that just but we still have a concept of justice

01:13:10.320 someone does more work you give them more money right a reward it's not equal it's not just if you give

01:13:16.940 one who did more and one who did less the same yeah but it's that concept doesn't stick well with

01:13:23.520 me actually that's one of the concepts that scared me away from islam he doesn't like that you know

01:13:29.180 it's very interesting christians i i want to know like arab why why do you ask about the hassanat like

01:13:36.000 what is it that bothers you because i know it's a lot of christians like are you do you feel like

01:13:41.200 you're not good enough like you're not gonna do good or what is it like what is it that bothers you

01:13:46.620 that's that's not what it is at all it's that i don't feel that i deserve anything higher in heaven

01:13:53.840 for having been a better christian i believe that everyone is on the same playing field and as long

01:14:00.100 as you're enlightened by the truth you deserve it so for example warner you have a big social media

01:14:06.760 following you've probably converted so many people so many people in your life in the past two years

01:14:11.660 over 3 000 christians have accepted islam alhamdulillah there you go you've converted so many people right

01:14:16.980 you you get rewards for that for being a good muslim for for you get rewards in heaven right

01:14:23.360 let's say let's say uh african warlord child right who who was born with an ak-47

01:14:31.760 all right in the middle of the desert the jungle on his deathbed on his deathbed hears about

01:14:38.380 allah and becomes a muslim and converts and repents and and blah blah and now his soul is pure

01:14:46.560 he gets a lower level in heaven so it's actually and also and also also you get rewards for converting

01:14:56.000 people which is a network marketing scheme okay what you said by the way i don't i don't get

01:15:01.440 i don't get rewards by the way i'm having a conversation so that i can find the truth right

01:15:05.860 i'm having a conversation so that i can understand better hopefully to uh you know bring people to

01:15:12.740 the light but but i don't get rewards right i'm not doing any of it because i'm okay you know like

01:15:18.180 just just before sneaker says i get yeah just before i get a figure villa and jenna

01:15:22.540 just before sneaker says the points that he wants to make to respond to what you said that's not how

01:15:26.300 islam looks at it no someone lived his life and he accepted islam uh god allah gives rewards based on

01:15:33.160 his mercy and bounty and knowing your condition you could give one pound in charity and i can give

01:15:37.900 one pound in charity and allah can give you a million hasana and give me one for ten it depends

01:15:43.080 allah knows your situation it knows your intention when you're doing it if that person that just

01:15:47.640 accepted islam it's not oh he has less points that person who was before has more that's again

01:15:52.480 that's what i'm telling you that is not how islam looks at it that's not how the the creator

01:15:56.740 looks at allah how do i get to the seventh level how do i get to the seventh level then you tell

01:16:00.940 me i'm gonna get the seventh level of heaven it's not seventh it's what did he get the first he

01:16:05.240 hasn't done shit his whole life he fucking killed people no he he did turn away from the most evil

01:16:12.580 thing that he would imagine this if there was no door of mercy that individual would have

01:16:18.240 continued and done worse way way worse and when someone lives a very difficult life it is super

01:16:24.360 difficult for them to turn away from it so that by itself gets a reward that is not comparable to

01:16:30.140 anything else because that individual lived a very difficult life well that's unfair for warner

01:16:35.540 because warner's been his whole life out here on fucking santa monica pier converting people with the

01:16:40.700 like that's so unfair for warner again who said warner is going to be uh under him or not the same

01:16:49.380 level i said to you the one this is the thing you're missing the fact that the one who uh calculates

01:16:55.360 and judges is allah you're not more just than god i'm not more just than god though allah knows

01:17:01.820 i understand i understand that but you said you said you said at the beginning of this conversation

01:17:07.040 an hour ago that your religion is based off of logic no that's what's nico said i'm very careful

01:17:15.000 with what i say by the way that's what nico said okay well you know you have a good memory so so maybe

01:17:21.900 you didn't say that yes maybe you didn't say that but i do remember and may

01:17:26.180 3v1ing so let's assume 1v1 let's assume one camera versus one camera you cut off i heard that

01:17:34.560 you're arguing based off logic right no i i don't say i don't okay look logic is used in islam

01:17:42.520 sound logic it's a part of islam we don't reject but it's not the only thing it's revelation and

01:17:46.740 logic it's a combination of the two we say uh aql and naql aql is the intellect and naql is a

01:17:51.940 revelation it's two things intellect alone cannot get you to know everything about god or revelation

01:17:56.520 you require revelation so it can tell you the details of life right so it's a combination between the

01:18:01.420 two so i don't start with the position only that but we say rationality is also a part of islam is a

01:18:06.020 very uh important part of islam but when you say rationality i say sound intellect your intellect

01:18:11.940 for instance or my intellect is not the criteria what you think is rational is not the criteria for

01:18:16.860 all humanity what i think is rational is not the criteria of all humanity there are certain things

01:18:20.960 that are common sense or sound logic that everyone can agree on but if you bring something that you

01:18:26.780 personally think is not rational that is not a criteria for is logical what is not that's a

01:18:31.300 very important point to keep in mind oh great so on that same point god can create a human form

01:18:40.980 that we wouldn't understand okay that's paradox again that will come back to that point i made to

01:18:47.580 you where did we can't come back later because i have to head out

01:18:50.580 one thing i want to ask arab uh my brother arab i want to ask you a question imagine someone hires

01:18:57.880 you for a job but they said they're not going to pay you are you going to accept that job

01:19:00.960 someone hires me for a job they're not going to pay me yeah they're not going to pay you

01:19:06.480 they want you to do all the work that's that's a very that's a very black and white question if i'm

01:19:11.520 a if i'm a 17 year old entrepreneur and someone who's much more wise than me hires me for a job and

01:19:16.620 says i'm gonna pay me yeah he's paying me an education just like you might not get paid

01:19:20.300 directly and blah blah no you're never gonna get on that argument if i'm getting yeah if i'm

01:19:25.460 getting paid in in in winning the spiritual battle and being in heaven yeah for sure i would you're

01:19:31.320 getting paid somehow bro that is payment no in his example there's no payment no knowledge nothing

01:19:35.880 no benefit yes but there is no i'm telling you there's no it's a hypothetical there's no benefit

01:19:44.860 are you gonna accept the job what's your what's your hypothetical like give a better

01:19:49.680 would you take a job i just let me explain would you take a job where you don't benefit at all

01:19:54.240 no i wouldn't take a job where i don't benefit at all and then the second i wanted to ask you this

01:20:00.620 you said that doesn't okay that doesn't bring anything doesn't change anything well that's

01:20:05.360 the reason that's the reason we do good things it's an example we we do good things because there's

01:20:09.400 rewards in heaven inshallah and you said earlier that i i i do good things i do good things for the

01:20:16.720 benefit of my soul not as a reward in heaven because i feel i feel good i feel better i feel

01:20:25.520 better spending 500 on homeless people than i do spending 500 on a bag that's selfish if you

01:20:33.280 were going to follow that logic and you were just going to do things to feel good in this life then

01:20:37.160 why not why not go to this trip club why not get high why not get drunk if you're just going to do

01:20:41.000 things to make you feel good now there's a million things you can do the point you're going to say

01:20:45.100 because what you're saying now is is not making sense go to the point that you were going to say

01:20:48.340 so we can close this okay you said i know first of all it was a pleasure absolutely i like the

01:20:55.020 conversation that's the conversations we need to have more hopefully i hopefully i didn't get

01:21:00.080 sent to hell by by young don hey he's probably pissed right now bro yeah he seems well it's okay

01:21:09.940 i'll speak to him i didn't hold him longer than i said he would we cut off we we we cut off sorry

01:21:16.280 just last question so so why do you so why do good things to make yourself feel good

01:21:21.300 bro like let's not act like treating people well and and and you know doing good things and being

01:21:32.060 righteous doesn't bring you more peace than treating people like shit okay come on siko you're

01:21:36.800 fucking arab arab you're always angry you're always arguing with people like doesn't that

01:21:42.000 doesn't that sometimes at one point in your life you're gonna get to a point siko where you're gonna

01:21:46.000 realize all this peace and all the money you've made is is much better when yeah you can enjoy your

01:21:52.280 gifts but when you give it back to people when you earn a smile from someone when you when you give

01:21:56.260 back to charity i mean you already do it you already do it's part of your religion 10 to charity

01:22:00.320 like you you already do that shit and you know the feeling gives you you're not doing it because it

01:22:05.180 it it's it's healthy for your soul bro it's healthy for your soul yeah it's not that i'm doing it for

01:22:10.960 rewards in heaven then then you're doing it for something you're doing for something even even worse

01:22:16.980 than what i said which is that it makes you feel good and pure you're doing it so that you're only

01:22:22.560 doing it so that you can get a better villa on the seventh layer of heaven of jenna like you know

01:22:28.480 a villa literally but the point is yeah it it cut off i think for a bit but you were saying we're

01:22:35.340 back now yeah so the thing is this like you agree to sneak up that doing it yes you have this good

01:22:40.960 feeling and you like that good feeling and all of that thing is this is very of course yeah so i'm

01:22:44.800 gonna make a very simple point you your argument against the fact that people do things to get to

01:22:49.560 practice is because it's a selfish reason that's the argument doing it to feel good is also a selfish

01:22:54.460 reason so whatever reason you're going to choose to do in the end is going to end up being something

01:22:59.220 selfish it's never good you're never going to be the perfect being that do good just because you

01:23:04.500 love the creator and you have no nothing ever in your mind while you're doing it so that is a

01:23:09.300 hypothetical that does not happen in reality so if there is any selfishness in it then whether that

01:23:14.780 selfishness is to get paradise and rewarded that you deserve because of what you did in a way or the

01:23:20.040 ministry of god as well uh or that you want to feel good there's no really difference between

01:23:24.820 the two uh and yeah that's all i'm gonna say right uh but it was as you said it was a pleasure

01:23:30.000 thanks for coming on bro uh i like the haircut it was a pleasure lantern thank you yeah it looks better

01:23:36.640 i look like i lost weight uh young don's probably pissed right now like think about how many people

01:23:42.640 i just sent to hell with this conversation i'm not gonna lie see i think this is a beneficial

01:23:45.700 conversation wait i want to give i want to point on one thing before you leave a lot of christians

01:23:49.680 conduct themselves in a very emotional way when they talk about it they're trying to like do gotcha

01:23:53.480 points you came in having you know points of contention yeah points of contention with the

01:23:57.580 psalm things that you want it to be explained and so you ask in terms of understanding a lot of them

01:24:01.160 come in here like this that add this person what about are you explain like it's not you're not

01:24:07.520 trying to learn they just come to spar and fight right and you came in trying to learn which is why

01:24:12.200 this conversation was good well they're they're not following in the path of jesus christ

01:24:17.380 but that's why i like arab that's why i told you we all stay off here and there that's why i told you

01:24:22.980 i like arab because i can tell without meeting him i know what kind of person he is when i say okay i

01:24:28.140 want to talk to this person or that person because i know what kind of person i don't need to meet him

01:24:31.580 i know he is the individual we have a discussion he's not going to emotion he's going to be chill

01:24:35.620 we're going to have a back and forth he's good thank you bro yeah so that's it thank you

01:24:39.380 yeah i'll let warner call me shaitan for an hour and a train through the desert bro

01:24:44.460 and let me just clarify one small thing in islam as well we don't believe you can say a person is

01:24:51.840 going to help him again man what the hell right no no of course of course yeah you can you do not

01:24:57.780 know right because you do not know their life their outcome when they die after they die it is

01:25:02.200 between them and god and god judges them right but it's effing again i keep saying it's effing

01:25:06.820 pleasure pleasure chatting same enjoy your conversation i'm sure we'll have a conversation

01:25:10.580 in the future as well i'm going to keep uh i'm going to keep studying maybe one day i'll have

01:25:15.140 this thing it's memorized anytime anytime you're welcome to have uh

01:25:18.960 or you can just read the gron

01:25:24.040 good idea that's option two buddy that's option two buddy all right and you're arab and you're arab so

01:25:31.580 you know what i mean yeah i'm arab i'm an arab christian and i own the word arab

01:25:37.580 who are you flipping off all right look at it try to clip on hello hey what's up

01:25:42.920 can you hear me yep yeah you have to kill that space chat sorry about the twitter guys

01:25:51.540 that's the second time yo where your buddies go they went to sleep we're gonna keep traveling

01:25:57.240 tomorrow we finish fajr prayer they they're going to bed oh they don't want to talk no they don't

01:26:03.620 they don't want to i mean you talked to muscle lantern before and uh you heard uh warner's feelings

01:26:08.740 oh we remember we remember what i did to him i don't remember what did you say you called him

01:26:13.580 like muslim light bulb or something no dude i remember you laughing at him too i cooked that

01:26:19.780 guy hard his name's lantern right muhammad ali yeah wow so i can't talk to them um just you know

01:26:28.120 it's what what was your question just saying because i think you were going to do based on

01:26:32.160 what you're texting you're going to do a troll question and then you were going to hang up and

01:26:35.440 then go on to twitter and i was gonna just talk i didn't want to debate i mean okay what were you

01:26:40.820 gonna say because i can bring them back they're right here no they're uncomfortable that's fine

01:26:47.020 no they're they're very comfortable but it's just we see it as a waste of time like muslim lantern

01:26:50.700 wants to do like what room are they in i don't know what room they're in

01:26:58.740 okay listen man don't you think like you guys doing that to arab's kind of weird arab asked to

01:27:08.620 do it yeah but you know arab's not all the way there okay arab arab asked to have this conversation

01:27:15.920 he just texted me said thanks for having me on that was an enjoyable conversation

01:27:19.080 that so that's fair in your world it's not it's not about fair see it doesn't have to be win or lose

01:27:27.360 he wanted to talk about islam he had questions he asked them he had his explanations he had points

01:27:31.440 of contention with islam so we talked it doesn't have to be win loss all the time it's not always

01:27:35.460 so you go into it and there's a lot of christians that go into it thinking it's a battle it doesn't

01:27:38.940 have to be that like we have differences of opinions and we could talk your buddy said the

01:27:44.760 last thing he said to him was you're an arab yeah he's joking yeah that's a real joke huh

01:27:54.500 you're an arab so you have to be okay that's clear also he's pakistani warner's pakistan he's not

01:28:00.620 even arab so that isn't if he was going to say like you need to be part of an arab caliphate that's

01:28:04.580 that's he's from pakistan yeah but isn't that play to win language i think he was making like a

01:28:11.200 a joke okay and as your representative do you feel okay answering questions for grown-ass men

01:28:20.640 i'm sure he i'm sure it was a joke because he would have said it during the debate if he was

01:28:25.820 going to use it as a point to win something he said it after arab was leaving he's like hey come

01:28:29.400 to zon you're arab like that's very clearly a joke was that your question any others

01:28:34.980 well that's curious what the hell so they'll spend three hours with arab but not one question with me

01:28:43.420 i mean they they will but like you don't come in looking to have a genuine conversation we know what

01:28:49.200 you do like muscle management spoke to you before and you come in doing like the well what do you

01:28:53.860 think about like you know you could come in being willing to to engage and not come in attacking

01:29:00.240 so it's only the softies you guys will engage with like arab no i brought young don on as well and

01:29:07.280 you saw how he was damn i had a genuine question bro i wanted both of them here for this

01:29:14.760 you could ask me i'm a representative of islam yeah but then i won't have a nuke

01:29:20.960 yeah i see you think like i don't when you text me like you're scared i want to ask one question you

01:29:26.700 know oh young don's free young don's free um okay i'm gonna talk to don talk to don he's uh he likes

01:29:32.920 this stuff and now they can come out of hiding who can come out he's they're not i'm gonna talk to

01:29:37.740 young don one all right i'm talking to young don one-on-one by the way oh my god and then bro you

01:29:45.080 know you i can't lie bro the crisis king people like they're gonna be like he's running he's running

01:29:51.540 okay all right young don man young don young don don how you doing

01:29:57.040 damn i had a genuine hey what's good bro hold on let me uh yeah your rumble stream's still

01:30:03.840 fast wait let me mute the stream the stream is super delayed that's a that's crazy

01:30:07.940 all right hold on where are you at where are you at uh no you want i want to talk to you one-on-one

01:30:16.000 if you want i can add him but i had i did want to speak to you um you know like okay you want me to

01:30:21.960 add him no it's cool i just was gonna say something to him if he was on here he's still

01:30:28.260 gonna be on all he does is watch my content and not go live so he's still gonna be i was just gonna

01:30:34.440 tell him that you know i i've repented from my blasphemy of denying the trinity and so me and

01:30:41.040 zerk had a back and forth about the trinity i'm not you know at some point in the past i remember i

01:30:46.940 hosted that debate yeah you did yeah and i just wanted to let him know that you know i've seen

01:30:51.780 the truth so okay what made you see the truth reading the church fathers reading the ancient

01:30:58.280 christians well first of all how you been like you disappeared from the internet we missed you

01:31:03.940 you know we got to speak a couple times um over over your your absence you know it's good to see

01:31:10.340 you back are you gonna make a full return yeah i'd say i've already made a full return uh i would say

01:31:16.660 so yeah man and uh yeah i'm fully back and but if i can just close off that last point i was just

01:31:23.500 making about the trinity you know so to any christians watching that remember me from a point

01:31:28.820 when i was denying the trinity you know i was i realize now that i was outside of the faith you

01:31:34.580 know i'm saying like the christians have always thought that jesus is eternal and so you know i fully

01:31:41.600 subscribed to the trinity doctrine and uh also to any muslims watching i put out a video you know

01:31:48.800 about it right i put out a video on my my youtube channel basically you know making an apology to

01:31:56.320 the entire muslim community and any other community i offended when i see that's what that was the the

01:32:01.980 heart of what i was coming into that conversation with you know i saw the mistakes i made in the past

01:32:07.260 and one of those mistakes was not approaching the discussion with the respect that it demanded

01:32:15.680 and so for any of the muslims watching that their last impression of me was someone who was uh and

01:32:22.760 you know islamophobic or anything like that i just wanted to extend that to you you can go and watch

01:32:27.680 the full video on my channel if you want to if you want to actually hear what i said and um i didn't

01:32:34.480 know you said anything islamophobic uh well you know that was the narrative online in a lot of

01:32:40.320 muslim communities that i was islamophobe in fact i'm pretty sure someone made some kind of video

01:32:46.220 coming against you and they put me in the video as well and um he described me as an islamophobe

01:32:53.280 and a homophobe and all the all the phobes in the book essentially homophobe is uh alhamdulillah you

01:32:58.440 know this is nothing i mean we don't hate anybody but you know i if you're called that by somebody

01:33:03.280 online usually in my experience that's a that's a sign of uh of something good well i'm joking by

01:33:09.020 the way but um i want to hear like what have you been up to and i want to explain it from your words

01:33:14.820 i'm sure you said what you were doing when you were gone but uh what has it been like since you left

01:33:18.560 uh you know bro i i got a job you know i started working in construction i was a full-time

01:33:26.720 youtuber for almost eight years and i needed to take a break you feel me and so i got a job in

01:33:33.980 construction and it's been very grounding very gave me a chance to take a step back from the internet

01:33:42.960 you know reflect and all of that was it you know was it worthwhile what what did you was the biggest

01:33:50.080 lesson you learned uh being away sometimes i envy that like when we got to speak a couple times when

01:33:54.720 you were working construction easy like your beard grew out you were like you could tell that you

01:33:59.160 were getting some sun and you'd be able to step away from the internet my whole life uh past couple

01:34:04.080 years you know it's fully invested i'm always in some dry it's fully internet you know even though

01:34:08.620 i'm traveling and that's what that's why i do this i can still feel normal i'm fully invested in this

01:34:13.520 and so for you to step away completely and work outside with your hands that's like uh it's like

01:34:17.500 disappearing from that what do you think you learned yeah you know well one this was my first

01:34:25.860 real job you know what i'm saying like i suppose we shouldn't belittle what we do on the internet too

01:34:33.220 much to say it's not a real job you know just as good as anyone that this is i mean you're working

01:34:39.140 12 16 hour days as a professional streamer the sun's coming up right now it's it's uh it's like

01:34:46.440 5 40 a.m here in bosnia and i'm gonna sleep three hours and continue work yeah it is it is hard work

01:34:51.960 but to call hard work online people get upset because they're like oh i work three jobs and

01:34:56.480 10 shifts and you're gonna say streaming's hard so i'm like it's not hard it's easy and just you know

01:35:01.460 i would say you know they're difficult in different ways it's kind of like trying to compare what a

01:35:07.660 woman does as a mother to what a man does as the protector provider they're both difficult in

01:35:14.280 different ways you know i'm saying it's not it's not wise i don't think to try and say oh one is

01:35:19.660 harder than the other they're both important so what you what i what other people do online

01:35:25.140 it's valuable but it i mean if you want your electricity to keep going if you want your

01:35:32.280 water to keep flowing then there are men out in the real world doing very hard labor to keep that

01:35:39.240 going on a daily basis and so it's uh yeah it was just nice to experience that it was nice to

01:35:45.840 experience that and yeah it gave me a chance to reflect and all that why did you decide to come back

01:35:52.560 well i just felt like it was time i felt like it was time in fact i've been feeling like it was time

01:36:01.000 for over a month but i really wanted to be patient and make sure that it wasn't an impulsive move i

01:36:10.220 wanted to to feel as if i'd really gotten what god wanted me to get out of it and i think the evidence

01:36:16.020 that it was time was how my return video was received you know i'm saying um people pretty much

01:36:22.940 were happy to see me again and they they see the changes they see the difference and so yeah okay

01:36:30.720 when you were a unitarian were you still christian uh i would say no i would say the ancient christians

01:36:40.720 always taught that to deny the trinity is to commit blasphemy of god because you're denying one

01:36:47.740 third of the god you know you're you're denying it's the term godhead this is the way it's used

01:36:53.700 whether or not that's the appropriate way to use that word that's a different conversation but

01:36:57.320 yeah you know jesus being very god from very god you're denying who died you know the identity of

01:37:04.960 god by denying the son as god and so that's just what the ancient christians have always taught

01:37:10.280 um and that's another thing it's not necessarily the strongest or the biggest debate point that i've

01:37:17.220 heard but something that i do hear a lot in muslim christian debates is that you can't find the

01:37:24.280 trinity before the council of nicaea but i can show you multiple quotes from church fathers from

01:37:29.520 the first and second century who said that jesus was eternal always with the father and so no they

01:37:35.960 may not have articulated the trinity in modern trinitarian lingo the elements of the trinity were

01:37:44.840 clearly present from the very beginning of the church so when you rejected the trinity so you just

01:37:51.100 rejected one third so you believed in the holy spirit and the father almighty well it's it's more

01:37:57.740 like the bible teaches that jesus is god and i couldn't see that or you know i was deceived i

01:38:05.520 didn't realize that that's what it was saying you know and and so the church fathers there's a great book

01:38:12.540 called um it's written by a man named athanasius and he it's titled against the arians this idea that

01:38:22.760 jesus is not god within christianity which birthed this concept of unitarianism was started by a heretic

01:38:31.000 a man named arius it's known as the arian heresy and so there's a church father his name is athanasius

01:38:37.640 and he at the time of arius when he was teaching he wrote a very well articulated discourse on why

01:38:45.620 he's wrong and so if anybody wants to explore why it is that the trinity is true from the perspective

01:38:54.120 of an ancient christian teacher you know i highly recommend they read that okay so would you consider

01:38:59.680 unitarian christians like jehovah's witnesses not christian yes what are they just uh heresies

01:39:06.240 they're heretics yeah they're heretics that's the word heretics um okay yeah they they believe

01:39:12.240 in something other than what the universal church has always taught they essentially they've created

01:39:18.540 their own religion that's a spinoff of christianity okay so are you orthodox christian are you catholic

01:39:24.340 what are you no i don't identify with either orthodox or catholic at this point in time um you know i'm

01:39:32.020 i'm my approach is to see what the earliest christian teachers taught and just adopt that

01:39:39.500 and at this point in time i do not see um those teachings

01:39:45.160 perfectly transferring over to what i see today in the modern catholic and eastern orthodox faith

01:39:53.620 now i'm still studying though and so i i view catholics and eastern orthodox as brethren i i don't

01:40:00.020 have any vendetta against them uh i'm not in a position where i would want to debate them or or

01:40:06.700 teach them or anything like that that's just where i'm at in my journey but um at this point in time i

01:40:13.840 do not see the i don't see the what's the word um congruency between what the earliest church fathers

01:40:24.800 taught and what they believe today okay and so we had a couple conversations when you were gone

01:40:30.720 about you know how they prayed in early christianity i've seen some videos online too you could see i

01:40:35.960 don't know if they're eastern orthodox but they they kind of pray the way we do as muslims you know

01:40:40.400 that they go here they go down they put their head to the floor do you do you pray like that because

01:40:44.660 it seems like early christianity is very similar to islam yeah you know you do see jesus prostrate in

01:40:52.660 himself in prayer uh to the father um but we also see in christian tradition that we were taught

01:40:59.660 not to bend our knee on sundays right which is a day of fellowship in christianity um because that

01:41:07.780 was the day that symbolizes uh christ's resurrection and so in honor of that we don't bend the knee on

01:41:16.020 sunday but of course christians pray every day and so what we see through our christian history is

01:41:21.440 embracing praying standing up sitting down prostrate on the floor uh there's no set hard rule that you

01:41:28.880 have to pray in a certain position but it is encouraged to pray pray with your face to the

01:41:33.300 floor um in most instances it's a it's a way of humbling yourself before god and there was a couple

01:41:40.340 other things i don't want to expose like anything but i remember uh we had a couple conversations

01:41:45.000 and you you had noticed some similarities with early christianity and islam i'm not i'm not sure if you

01:41:50.480 want to talk about that you remember say that say that again when we were speaking uh we called a

01:41:56.800 couple times and not just you you were never muslim but i remember you you called me and we were talking

01:42:02.400 about some of the similarities between early christianity and islam and the way uh people

01:42:06.820 dress for example do you remember that yeah i would agree do you still adopt some of those values

01:42:12.760 yeah that's what they're the ancient christians taught right the in fact if you do some research

01:42:18.420 you'll learn that muslims the way how muslim women dress they originally got that from how christian and

01:42:26.160 jewish women dress but unlike the muslims over time christian and jewish culture have gotten away from

01:42:34.020 these uh ancient traditions of how to dress you know and uh even today you know men like tertullian

01:42:42.520 uh men like um clemen of alexandria men like all these ancient christians uh they would look at the

01:42:50.220 way how how even muslim women dress today with just the hijab with their face exposed and say that

01:42:56.820 you know um they really should cover their entire face like the the women who wear the nikit

01:43:02.880 what's it called a nikib niqab niqab yeah they would say that is the proper way for a woman to carry

01:43:08.640 herself right and you could see they still in jewish and christian culture they still adopt that

01:43:13.520 on marriage like when they get married on the wedding day they'll have their face covered and

01:43:17.320 stuff like this or the nuns for example in christianity which is an example of the most

01:43:21.260 pious women they cover their hair the way um an akabi would but it's only the most holy so you can

01:43:27.200 understand why uh muslims believe that all women so if there's an example like a nun of dressing

01:43:32.180 the most pious and righteous way that all women should adopt that what do muslims believe in

01:43:38.300 regards to women muslim women going away from the nikab and just wearing a hijab so nikab is not

01:43:44.520 required popular married now muslim narrative on that so this is just uh what's factually true

01:43:49.960 women are not required to wear nikab it's a choice um and it's you know some people could say it's like a

01:43:56.060 more extreme version so you don't need to cover your face hijabi is required or hijab is required for

01:44:01.280 for women and it's not just a head cover it covers your whole body and it's not supposed to show

01:44:05.860 you know your body the tightness of your body for example some western muslim people adopted and you

01:44:12.080 could see like they wear jeans with it or they wear a sweater and you could see your breasts like

01:44:15.940 imprinted under the sweater and then they cover their hair that's like a western adaptation of it

01:44:20.200 and that's not accurate the quran example if you want to be uh pious and everything hijab is from

01:44:25.780 is from head to toe and it covers your hair and everything but you don't need to wear nikab it's not

01:44:29.600 required but you can see a lot of women choose what it says is that what it says in the quran

01:44:34.200 that it's not required yeah nikab is not required hijab is okay interesting yeah and so people think

01:44:40.860 that like oh look at these a lot of uh people who demonize islam they look at nikabis and they like

01:44:46.100 look at this terrible thing that they have to do they usually choose to do it there's a lot of women

01:44:51.000 that will start wearing hijab and decide that okay i want to take it a step further and i want to wear

01:44:55.700 nikab because i see that how empowered i am actually it's funny that feminists who dress

01:45:00.140 naked in the in america they think that they're empowered by showing off their body because my

01:45:05.500 body my choice all this when in fact the nikabs the kabis and the hijabis they're empowered because

01:45:11.020 they're choosing to show how much they want to their uh to the world and they're saving their beauty

01:45:15.480 uh for their husband or they're you know they're saving it and not sharing it with the entire world

01:45:20.580 which is the right way to be empowered yeah i would agree 100 all of the uh every pretty much

01:45:29.440 everything that's come out of feminism has been horrible for society and has only led to

01:45:35.500 the destruction of society and so yeah you know it would be better for women to cover themselves i mean

01:45:42.140 can you think of all the give me some reasons why you think a woman covering her body would be better

01:45:48.080 for society because men are are naturally our gaze wanders everywhere like we have a concept in

01:45:55.080 islam called lower your gaze because you're not supposed to be looking around and that's the

01:45:58.400 quickest way there's there's zinnah of the eyes zinnah is sex out of wedlock and zinnah is you know

01:46:02.760 touching a woman that's not your your wife and all this so there could be zinnah of the eyes if

01:46:06.680 you're staring at like oogling a uh a woman or looking at porn uh and so if you're going to be

01:46:12.280 looking around at a lot of naked women your mind is going to wander and it's going to be filled with

01:46:15.800 filth right that's the quick porn for example is the quickest way a soul can be corrupted because

01:46:20.200 you're filling your mind up with filth so if women were covered you're not going to you're not going

01:46:23.820 to fall to that as easily and it's going to protect women and it's a it's a reminder too like when i've

01:46:28.980 been to mecca a few times since we last spoke on stream and so many all the women are covered it's

01:46:34.080 like it does require the women have to be covered and you notice the difference in like where your mind

01:46:37.640 goes when i'm in miami and women are like half naked everywhere your mind is filled with whole

01:46:42.180 different things you're getting more likely to play music you're more likely to be you know party

01:46:46.060 situations people are going to be drinking but when women are covered for example like you want to open

01:46:50.420 the door for them or when you're in the elevator with them you're standing far away you're more

01:46:54.100 respectful you're not you're not going to be mistreating them it's a reminder that we should be

01:46:59.000 protecting women and not using them for whatever selfish gains or lustful thoughts we might have

01:47:04.660 yeah that's definitely you know protecting men from the the temptation of lust is

01:47:12.880 probably the most important part or the the most significant aspect of women covering themselves

01:47:21.640 like that you know what i'm saying um yeah it helps helps both people another reason that i can think of

01:47:28.820 is it also makes the importance of having the baddie as a wife that disappears completely right when

01:47:42.760 how many dudes do you know i'm sure you can think of guys that you've known who've maybe liked a girl

01:47:50.400 you know i'm saying linked a girl but was ashamed to claim claim her as a girlfriend because he was

01:47:58.280 concerned about what other men think oh she's not bad enough you feel me she's not you know it it

01:48:04.480 completely takes that out of the equation as well i think there are probably a lot of good women out

01:48:09.420 there who are getting passed up on who men would happily marry but because of their vanity their pride

01:48:16.840 their insecurities they won't marry these women because of what other people might think if all the

01:48:24.160 women were covered up and it no longer became a contest between men about who has the prettiest wife

01:48:30.040 um i i think the world would also be a better place and so that's another thing that i've thought of

01:48:36.000 that that dress code would help society yeah that's a good point the the trophy wife concept does not

01:48:43.580 exist anymore you know it's it's that has no value in in society um but i didn't i didn't quite

01:48:50.960 understand earlier what was the specific doctrine or something what made you go from um unitarian to

01:48:57.580 trinitarian specific it was a book yeah so i i was reading the writings of the ancient christians so

01:49:03.880 for instance one of the criticisms that we see today coming from muslim the islam community is how

01:49:10.140 divided christianity is well they have to understand that that is a product of the protestant reformation

01:49:16.180 you know it wasn't like that for the grand majority of christian history for over a thousand years there

01:49:22.480 was only one church you know there wasn't the church of this and the church of that and the church

01:49:27.140 there was only one church and that church split into the east and the west and then 600 years later

01:49:34.060 the western church the roman catholic church had some defectors who separated and wanted to do their

01:49:39.760 own thing and they essentially i suppose you could say the the precedent was set at the great schism

01:49:47.500 but that protestant reformation is what birthed this attitude of oh anybody can just pick up a bible

01:49:57.260 read it understand it and if you disagree with what the guy beside you is saying you have the authority

01:50:02.620 to start your own church and so that's why we see this proliferation of all these denominations but if

01:50:10.320 you return to the past christians were you know very united yeah they may have had small disagreements

01:50:16.900 here and there but you can see that even within islam right you can see small disagreements here and

01:50:22.600 there on various things and and it was the same for christianity at that point in time but when it came to

01:50:29.060 you know the significant the important doctrines they were all unified and it was like that for

01:50:34.700 essentially a thousand years and um you know so in realizing that really all of this just came from

01:50:41.940 me studying the history of christianity and so i was like okay i want to go back to a time when the

01:50:46.720 church was unified when there was only one church and to see what they taught and what they believe and

01:50:52.400 my logic behind that is if anybody if there was ever a point in time where the church was not

01:51:00.880 seeped in confusion and in division it would have been in the very beginning after the church was

01:51:07.460 uh you know started off by the disciples and and the men that they appointed to come after them

01:51:14.240 and so that's what i've done is gone back to their teachings and it's provided a lot of clarity they

01:51:19.680 explained they touch on pretty much every topic you can think of everything from politics to raising

01:51:25.700 children to you know anything you can think of the trinity all these things they explained very

01:51:31.140 clearly what empire or what year was that where it was just the singular church uh so i would say that

01:51:40.660 so there were no there weren't multiple churches until the great schism of i believe it was

01:51:49.400 in 1054 uh that's when we see a clear distinction in two groups of people who call themselves christians

01:51:56.640 and then looked at the other group and said we are not in communion or in fellowship with those guys

01:52:03.760 over there it would have been in 1054 when the east and the west split the west being the roman

01:52:08.820 catholic church and the east being all the churches of the east um there were there was no eastern

01:52:13.860 church it was it was like how you when you think of the roman catholic church you think of

01:52:19.260 one entity the the east maintained the original structure it looked much more like what the

01:52:27.400 original church looked like so what is the truth about the council of nicaea in in what sense you're

01:52:34.340 saying that a lot of people cite that that that specific council and that's where the divide in

01:52:39.440 christianity started in the divide of the the doctrine of the trinity the divide in christianity

01:52:45.580 didn't start at the council of nicaea um the only thing about the council of so here the council of

01:52:51.600 nicaea was convened for the sake of tackling the arian heresy so remember earlier i mentioned this guy

01:53:00.620 named arius who came up with this teaching that jesus is not eternal eternally divine like he he basically

01:53:08.040 came up with this idea that jesus was a created being that god created him and that he didn't

01:53:14.180 always exist and this is essentially what jehovah witnesses believe today that they practice a form

01:53:20.260 of arianism so do most unitarians this was a heresy that i was sadly um you know deluded by for a little

01:53:27.620 while there and uh this council was convened primarily to you know for the church to come

01:53:36.280 together and give a united unanimous decision where this was um concerned and the overwhelming majority

01:53:45.980 was of course that um jesus is eternal and anyone preach in this area and stuff is a dangerous heretic

01:53:55.120 that needs to be kicked out of the church what arian stuff they started adding the idea are you talking

01:54:00.440 about like the arian race that was attributed to no no no no so uh it's called arianism uh because

01:54:07.800 of the man who came up with this doctrine we we don't see this doctrine present before this being taught

01:54:15.440 by anyone who's regarded a christian we as a christian we do see some fringe cults like jewish

01:54:21.760 sects that played with this idea they also denied these jewish cults and whatever they also denied

01:54:28.480 that jesus was born of a virgin in islam you guys teach that jesus was born as a of a virgin right

01:54:34.440 we believe i don't know i don't i think we uh i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure in islam you guys

01:54:41.540 see that mary was a virgin um when she so so that is not not hold on jesus and islam

01:54:50.080 yes yes you're right well i see a lot of muslims saying w

01:55:03.720 aries here's the thing muslims actually don't agree with arians because arians still taught

01:55:11.320 that jesus created all things arians still taught that jesus was created first before all of

01:55:20.920 creation and then he created all things and then took on the form of a body so all the muslims saying

01:55:27.080 w arias w arias you guys don't agree with him at all you don't think that jesus created all things

01:55:32.080 you think he was just a man a prophet that was very holy but you really don't believe what arians

01:55:38.320 taught okay arias can you explain who is this i've never heard that this guy

01:55:44.420 arias so yeah so this was a guy who arose i believe in i'm not 100 sure either the late

01:55:57.520 uh third century or early fourth century he started teaching this this this doctrine

01:56:05.140 and uh yeah this is just how heresy works bro people make stuff up people read the bible they

01:56:12.660 do not subscribe to the teachings of the fathers of the faith that came before them they come up

01:56:18.200 with their own brand new ideas their own new divine revelations and then they start teaching it

01:56:23.440 and we see a lot of that going on today another perfect example of that um which was taught by

01:56:29.740 the uh arab guy that you you had on and even taught and you call this you call that i know you were

01:56:37.280 trying to you guys are trying to paint it as a conversation but i don't know if you realize this

01:56:41.160 when you were talking to zirka you called it a debate you said after the debate he i even got it

01:56:46.900 recorded i was like see it was a debate but anyway yeah but there's a difference between a healthy

01:56:52.360 debate or a difference in opinion stuff like this and then uh attacking going back and forth

01:56:57.160 yeah but um yeah you could say it wasn't a nasty debate but it was still a debate nonetheless

01:57:04.580 and so him thinking that it wasn't going to be a debate that was just him not seeing what was

01:57:10.840 obvious to everybody else but um you know he was teaching some kind of one saved always saved thing

01:57:16.120 like you don't need to practice righteousness and holiness to to go to heaven um that's also a heresy

01:57:22.020 that was invented um well first by a man named marcion uh he's the most famous guy who is

01:57:28.640 attributed to that belief and he was a heretic and then we see pop up again in popularity with

01:57:34.560 the protestant reformation and so yeah these are how heresies work guy is just make stuff up

01:57:42.900 they feel as if they have some kind of divine anointing by god and god is revealing some kind of

01:57:49.540 hidden truth to them that hasn't been revealed to the church previously

01:57:53.680 yeah why we attribute this belief to areas is because we just cannot find any evidence in history

01:58:02.060 of anyone else coming out of the church teaching this so where do you who do you align with then

01:58:08.620 uh now that you're returning to the internet um and i'm not asking this like that in terms of like

01:58:14.120 you need to pick a side but it's like a lot of them that's just where a lot of the online christians

01:58:19.480 they end up doing like they declare i'm a jehovah's witness i'm a american catholic i'm an irish guy i'm

01:58:25.000 a serb i'm a serb i had a cameraman he's like i'm a serbian orthodox and it's like his identity

01:58:29.280 um where where do you think you fit in who who are you speaking to are you trying to convert other

01:58:33.780 christians who are misguided or is it just people who are believing early christians or is it is it for

01:58:39.000 everybody um you kind of lag lagged out on me for a second there but i think i caught the gist of

01:58:48.860 yeah who's your content for

01:58:50.240 yeah you know i don't align with any of the mainstream denominations that we see today

01:58:58.220 um i just align with the early church what the early the church fathers taught you know um

01:59:04.720 that's that's the position that i'm taking i think it's the the best way to say

01:59:11.940 guard against heresy see the word heresy do you know what the word heresy means somebody who rejects

01:59:20.220 like somebody well in islam we say a kafir like just somebody that you have to you disavow like

01:59:25.860 somebody who's sinning and it doesn't believe in the core fundamentals of christianity

01:59:29.160 okay all right so yeah so uh heresy just means a deviation from the original beliefs

01:59:39.340 and so logically the earliest beliefs we can find that is the only evidence we have of the orthodox

01:59:48.300 faith the the original belief orthodox just means right belief right right and so um that's that's

01:59:56.040 my approach why i trust the early christians you see like you think of it like a tree right history

02:00:02.780 is kind of like a tree a branch can get rotten here or there but the root has to be good you see if the

02:00:11.700 root is bad then the whole tree is bad and so that's why i feel very secure going i would i think it makes

02:00:20.640 more sense to have unity with the christians that studied directly from the apostles than people

02:00:29.100 today who are just you know basically you know choosing a denomination and saying okay this

02:00:36.980 denomination is right i'm gonna go to their seminary their universities and learn from these teachers

02:00:41.380 but you can't find their beliefs tracing all the way back to the very beginning and so that's what

02:00:48.160 i've done there have been many christians throughout history that have taken this approach

02:00:53.260 and i know a number of christians today who have the exact same approach but is there like a denomination

02:00:59.600 with a logo and a name and all that no so you know we just say that we so is your content for all

02:01:05.400 christians is it for muslims who do you who do you want to speak to i want to speak to you bro

02:01:13.020 okay that that's that's fair to me um is anything going to change with your your content going

02:01:20.240 forward like is it is it the same mission is it um what is going to be different in your in your

02:01:26.920 absence compared to now uh yeah you know i just feel as if i'm a bit wiser in the way i articulate

02:01:35.760 myself i'm a little bit more careful with the words i use i also am more mindful of both sides of an

02:01:46.940 argument it's not my desire to offend anybody i think coming out of the worldly streamer culture

02:01:54.220 the attitude is kind of you know stoke the flames make drama be contentious that's what gets the views

02:02:04.560 that's what gets the clicks and i carried that over into how i was trying to be a advocate for

02:02:10.840 christianity and i realize now that that's not the proper way jesus says or let me not say it's jesus

02:02:18.680 but in the bible it's thought um this might be one of the apostles i'm i think it's jesus though

02:02:24.660 oh no i can look it up be at peace with all men essentially right uh where possible

02:02:30.540 peace yeah so the uh the verse is okay so this was paul it was in romans it says if it be possible

02:02:43.440 as much as lieth in you or yeah life and you be live peaceably with all men and so whenever we have an

02:02:53.480 an opportunity to not stir up anger in somebody we should take that that route uh in the book of

02:03:01.160 proverbs it is it says i believe it is says something like a soft answer turn away wrath

02:03:07.860 but turns away wrath but you know a harsh word stares up anger so that's kind of my approach to how i do

02:03:15.160 content now and how i interact with people in general what do you think about what's your opinion

02:03:20.780 on the content world from stepping away and coming back i feel like it's uh and there's a lot of ways

02:03:25.120 it's the same but there are a lot of new things as well right just so you know i have a bunch of

02:03:29.100 questions for you too i don't know i know you're you've been streaming for a while but you had me

02:03:33.040 waiting for a while so i i want to have a full conversation with you if you can bear it okay well

02:03:39.860 i think uh i got some food i think it's at the door

02:03:42.020 yeah because we have a lot of things that we can talk about bro you know um appreciate it yeah

02:03:50.340 all right yeah what do you think about the you know go ahead ask me what do you got

02:03:56.360 okay okay i have a list here of just things that i thought of while i was waiting for the

02:04:03.280 the stream but here let's turn it back on you what do you think are the biggest criticisms

02:04:08.540 that people have of you the biggest criticism the biggest criticism slash misconceptions

02:04:16.520 um there's a lot there's a lot of people talking uh or you talking about my name and a lot of them

02:04:27.360 are not really worth addressing um biggest mistake probably i get i get fake muslim quite a bit from

02:04:34.580 from the liberals we were covering that earlier in the stream um i would say that the most legitimate

02:04:40.080 criticisms are probably like that i am speaking about things that i'm not qualified to speak about

02:04:46.400 i would say that that i get that from my community um like right now my i'm feeling tired and i was like

02:04:53.520 thinking about i i know that jesus is from the the virgin mary but i was thinking like okay what are the

02:04:58.260 similarities of christianity the fact that he's the messiah and that we don't think that he died and

02:05:03.500 resurrected but that the body was swapped so i was trying to remember that and then as i'm answering

02:05:07.740 that people are are saying oh you don't know this and you're not qualified so that's why i do a lot

02:05:14.660 of time like that's why i'm in bosnia right now and uh i spent a lot of time learning about islam and

02:05:19.880 learning about the quran and speaking to people that are more knowledgeable to me to to get to that

02:05:24.640 point yeah but do you see the the wisdom the legitimacy in that criticism though of course even if you

02:05:33.320 don't think it perfectly applies to you but you sound like you you do acknowledge that it's always

02:05:39.560 good to have someone who is more educated on the topic by your side at the very least when you're

02:05:44.360 talking about maybe not always by my side but i'm spending more time and i've applied that criticism

02:05:48.960 for example the reason that i destroyed moist critical in the debate is because i prepared

02:05:52.360 and so i want to go uh i want to spend the rest of this year doing more reading and research and

02:05:58.020 becoming more knowledgeable so that i'm i'm i'm well versed in every topic that i speak about

02:06:02.820 especially because you know there are more people that are considering my considering me like an

02:06:08.540 authority on these subjects like more than um they were when we you were still streaming yeah yeah have

02:06:16.540 you ever had on like a legitimate christian apologist you know what is it what is a christian

02:06:23.180 apologist somebody who is like you know a seasoned scholar who's debated islam someone who has been

02:06:32.460 doing this for a long time not like a guy who just converted to the faith not like a guy where

02:06:37.800 the muslim by your left knows the bible better than him you know what i'm saying like i mean that

02:06:44.920 interaction you had with that other guy up the muslim guy that was by your side you know he was he was

02:06:51.300 quoting verses with more accuracy than the other dude and i'm just saying have you had on a guy

02:06:58.800 with that kind of you know certification let's say well i don't know what is the certification

02:07:06.240 because when we bring on someone uh they always say someone else you're running from this guy

02:07:09.740 but yeah sure i mean for example um we'll bring that guy on that we challenged for a debate earlier

02:07:14.020 um next stream yeah we'll do it like muscle manager says he wants to do it so we'll set it up

02:07:19.820 okay all right yeah you know um maybe i could reach out to sam and see if he wants to do that but

02:07:27.440 if not i know a couple guys who are proper season debaters i'm sure you say that but there's going

02:07:35.740 to be difference of opinion a lot of people are going to say like why why is sam uh you know the the

02:07:40.580 guy the sam an apologist or whatever why is he a scholar and not others no i'm just saying sam is sam

02:07:46.580 is just as legit i'm i'm just saying you know i don't know if you already have an avenue to contact

02:07:52.200 sam and i don't know sam that well but i do know other guys you know fairly well i have a stronger

02:07:59.960 connection with them that i do think would happily enter into the discourse yes yes there is the guy

02:08:06.920 and i remember it i was with sheikh with man and jideon put out an open invitation to a debate with

02:08:13.100 him and his pastor they said i'll debate any muscle bro he's a he that guy does see what i'm saying

02:08:18.580 that's not legit bro okay okay but who's who's the who's the criteria okay but here's my problem he has

02:08:26.040 to be he has to be a guy with pedigree in the field of debating muslim that dude that was probably

02:08:32.700 his first time ever debating a muslim but here's the thing here's the thing we didn't even debate

02:08:36.940 they put out an open invitation to debate a muslim on the quran yeah and then we accepted and then

02:08:43.000 they didn't do it and then the pastor said oh he's busy writing his book and then now i don't even know

02:08:46.940 if he's jideon's pastor anymore so that guy is not that guy is not bro he had jideon fucking

02:08:52.700 he had jideon celebrating hanukkah he had a menorah it's like i don't mean to make fun of him but

02:08:58.960 that it's silly to me that you're a christian celebrating jewish holidays that makes no sense

02:09:03.100 man like that's very simple stuff yeah yeah that's a very it's called judaizing and um it's also

02:09:10.380 another heresy that unfortunately christians sometimes fall into it's a very ancient heresy

02:09:17.380 and it's something the church clarified pretty much immediately because you can understand seeing that

02:09:25.000 christians came out of judaism in a sense right jesus was jew at the initial christians were

02:09:31.820 jewish people you can see how it would be an easy stumbling block for some of them to want to hold on

02:09:38.480 their jewish beliefs um and try to kind of import that into christianity and so uh that's one of the

02:09:47.620 earliest heresies we see in christian history being debunked and you know the bible also does a very

02:09:53.400 very good job at clarifying that as well but that's just the thing when it with heresy and the bible

02:09:59.880 it's you can twist the bible to make it say almost anything and so uh yeah bro that's not a legit

02:10:06.500 muslim debater you can't find a single we'll do we'll do the one we called out we'll do the other

02:10:11.580 one we'll do it one at a time though we'll do it one at a time just one just just just i mean you

02:10:16.060 don't got to do all of them i'm just saying let's get one i mean from from my point of view you guys are

02:10:22.220 never going to you guys are never going to be satisfied y'all uh y'all waxed everybody and all

02:10:27.020 that's left i'm not making it seem like that but it's like you you guys from my point of view and

02:10:31.400 i think this is justified perspective there's always someone else oh it's this guy this guy this guy

02:10:35.900 you know we'll do one at a time and shallow it's going to be uh in my from my opinion you're still

02:10:42.240 yet to do the first one so it's kind of like the jake paul boxing thing you know jake paul as far as

02:10:47.840 he's concerned he's boxed a bunch of guys but the entire world knows that he hasn't boxed a legit

02:10:52.920 boxer once okay in fact i mean i guess some people might say tommy fury's a legit boxer but he won

02:10:59.340 so sure so yeah we'll we'll do it all we'll do it um yeah okay uh do you have another question

02:11:09.520 yeah yeah all right so i was watching a recent interview you did with this other guy and you say

02:11:18.500 that you ultimately want to get to making movies like that's your end goal you want to create films

02:11:25.940 is there anything in particular that you just want to be like a quentin tarantino and just make

02:11:34.200 fictional just entertaining movies or do you want to cover specific things i want to make a movie that

02:11:41.920 reflects pop culture and um one of the i think my first movie is going to be uh it's going to cover

02:11:49.040 pop culture the same way taxi driver did in 1973 you know it captured a mood and a feeling of a time

02:11:54.480 that people weren't really able to describe and it was captured uh with all the benefits that film has

02:12:01.460 with cinematography lighting music it captured like a specific time in new york city in a certain

02:12:06.360 bubbly feeling post-vietnam war this lonely guy captured the ideas of loneliness of uh seeking

02:12:12.640 masculinity and um in the industrial age all this stuff i want to capture a mood that people can't

02:12:19.020 quite put their finger on but they all know okay okay well yeah man i'll be waiting to see that come

02:12:26.720 to fruition that sounds very interesting yeah but there's a lot more to do here first with

02:12:31.340 the streaming you know i want to i'm on a good run right now and i don't want to stop and since

02:12:37.440 we first started like you know streaming a lot i was still on youtube if you remember that and so

02:12:42.420 it's been ever since that i've just like been recovering the ban i don't know if you know i got

02:12:47.200 banned on instagram a couple months back so i was like i'm fighting an uphill battle you didn't know

02:12:50.800 that i was banned during the month of ramadan was crazy i was interviewing a muslim sheikh

02:12:54.840 abu um abu temia or student of knowledge you can call him in mecca wearing the garment mecca

02:13:01.500 is the place where we perform something called umana where you walk around the kaba and all this

02:13:06.060 it's like uh it's a pilgrimage and i'm there i'm literally wearing the the garments you're supposed

02:13:10.340 to wear i'm in mecca interviewing him and during the interview i get a notification my instagram is

02:13:15.240 banned and i just continue the interview and i finish the stream and i'm like i just got banned like

02:13:18.660 they didn't tell me why my it was just wiped um well so it's like i have to fight an uphill battle

02:13:23.800 and i i have a lot more to to keep doing before i can i can stop this yeah oh i hear you you and you

02:13:33.100 and destiny fell out huh you can't be i don't believe that i can be friends with the enemies of

02:13:39.520 islam so like because there was a point where you were going on this stream i mean i was kind of out

02:13:47.560 of the loop as you know i was taking a big break from the internet so i don't know how long ago this

02:13:51.440 happened but i do remember a point where you'd be on destiny's streams you know somewhat regularly

02:13:57.320 and next thing i know last time i checked you know destiny's not saying the nicest things about you

02:14:05.200 um what what happened you know i'm gonna go back and forth about what it was i think he was um

02:14:12.920 what was he doing oh he said this is the first thing this is what stopped it he's like

02:14:17.500 uh like you're not qualified like no pious woman would want to get married to you you're like you're

02:14:24.780 not the qualified man to marry like a virgin woman the woman that you desire as a wife and i'm like

02:14:30.320 who are you going to talk to me about this like you ditched your family you left your son in vegas to

02:14:34.800 be a streamer in florida and play overwatch and then you know then it got personal and we just stopped

02:14:40.380 talking then he blocked me on twitter and then yeah now he's i don't know like the stuff he's doing

02:14:45.780 now he's like making fun of dead people the guy that got shot at the trump rally i think that's

02:14:51.000 despicable like i don't think that's he's like oh it's edgy it's not edgy he's like oh he's not

02:14:55.060 just a guy he tweeted things that i disagree with and he's a trump supporter he's not just a guy

02:15:00.680 so you get to the point where if i died based on his logic he would laugh and make jokes about it

02:15:05.160 because i'm a trump supporter you know so that's absolutely ridiculous you know if the people that

02:15:09.240 i disagree with politically died i would say like rest in peace i wouldn't i wouldn't laugh i wouldn't

02:15:14.920 laugh yeah it just goes to show how extreme um this this like tribalism cult mind has

02:15:25.280 gotten um in a way it's kind of like what moist critical was saying about

02:15:32.920 you know children being mutilated and pretending they're the opposite sex and all that it's uh

02:15:41.060 because they know that they're safe pandering to a certain crowd they abandon all morality they

02:15:51.520 abandon all like nuance and they feel comfortable just going to the most extreme position in that camp

02:15:59.700 because they know they'll never lose their supporters so long as they they don't give

02:16:04.880 any they don't shoot any bail to the other side you know i'm saying and so in a way those two things

02:16:11.860 are are similar but that was crazy how trump got shot you know at first i thought it was fake i'll be

02:16:16.900 rude but when it first first first happened i'm not talking i'm talking like for for like five minutes i

02:16:23.520 thought it was fake because when it when it first happened i was like this is insane like what are the

02:16:30.360 the chances but then i saw the pictures like i saw his air i saw the the blood on the bleachers all that

02:16:37.440 i was like that's insane bro like the the statistical chances of something like that happening when you

02:16:44.020 first saw it did you automatically think it was real or you did you not think it was like dude this is

02:16:49.160 out of a bad movie i thought it was real the whole time and some people would say that i have a

02:16:54.100 conspiracy brain i think everything's fake but the whole time i i believed it i can't i went live

02:16:59.220 the whole time i went live for like eight hours when it happened and covered all of it yeah nah dude it

02:17:04.400 was it sounded unreal his ear it missed by an inch like what are the chances you know divine

02:17:10.060 interventions divine intervention it had to be it had to be god also to bring up uh destin here earlier

02:17:16.720 this dude um this dude supports genocide he's a complete zionist he's a shill for power whatever

02:17:22.140 power structure there is he went to he literally went to israel like last month uh this guy is just

02:17:27.220 sucking off zionists to get more money it's embarrassing i don't i anybody who supports

02:17:31.700 israel is not a friend of mine they're an enemy that's the way i see it there's no dancing around

02:17:36.200 it uh myron and i disagree upon that i understand his point of view he's like i'm a free speech

02:17:39.740 absolutist i will still have these people to be able to discuss uh it's to the point when what's

02:17:44.620 happening is so abhorrent that i i can't see these people as like acquaintances if you support israel

02:17:51.180 you're an enemy yeah me i'm super uneducated about the dispute going on between israel and palestine

02:17:59.040 i read a short book that tried to explain the beef um my initial reaction when uh hamas bombed

02:18:09.440 israel or when they came and attacked people you know they they killed women they killed children

02:18:14.480 and all of that my initial reaction was that's messed up you'd agree right like before wait the

02:18:23.180 thing that popped it all off that initial incident you'd agree that innocent women and children being

02:18:28.800 killed you're talking about october 7th i guess i guess yeah i'm not that invested in this this like

02:18:35.660 time this as part of the 2024 storyline like i'm i'm not educated to talk on it like that i don't

02:18:44.240 know dates i don't that wasn't the inciting incident see that's the narrative that israel wants so that

02:18:49.260 they can justify the genocide that they are still committing to this day uh october 7th almost a year

02:18:53.600 ago it's crazy how much time has passed that's not the inciting incident uh this genocide has been

02:18:57.420 going on for a long time they've been it started in 1948 it's been happening no i agree with you after i

02:19:03.880 read that book um given like a brief overview i see that this is a very complex thing that's been

02:19:09.340 happening for a long time but i'm saying from at that point when the incident happened i had not yet

02:19:14.480 read that information and so as far as i'm concerned you know this just is like a random thing that's

02:19:23.300 just hitting the news and you could see how a person's initial reaction to that would be oh that's

02:19:29.240 messed up all right like women innocent women and children are being slaughtered yeah well it's like

02:19:37.160 the native americans shooting arrows back but the colonizers coming in america like it's not they

02:19:42.200 painted a specific narrative and i actually believe that israel allowed october 7th to happen because

02:19:47.000 they just wanted to just they just wanted to take gaza they want to take they want to completely get

02:19:50.360 rid of palestine and so they need an inciting incident they need that for the story the same reason

02:19:55.020 that um i believe 9-11 was set up by israel so to justify america going into iraq and iran

02:20:01.520 um the same vietnam the gulf of tonkin resolution you could look at world war ii pro harbor you need

02:20:07.740 to start war by deception you need to have some sort of inciting incident where you know look at this

02:20:13.080 innocent people are dying but if you really look what happened they took some hostages they offered

02:20:17.940 to release them israel said no publicly and i think they allowed october 7th to happen because they

02:20:23.220 they just wanted to do exactly what they're doing to this day yeah you know and like i i think that's

02:20:29.580 a very legitimate um argument to make i think it's very plausible right uh again me not being behind

02:20:37.980 the scenes i don't know but i've heard what people say said about israel's iron dome being pretty much

02:20:43.980 impenetrable like there is no way that they didn't see this coming and so say they were 9-11 like how we

02:20:50.460 have the best defense security in the world and we're not going to see that two planes got box cutters

02:20:54.580 all this stuff none of it makes any sense and so it must have been allowed or they probably knew

02:20:59.700 about something same thing with trump getting shot like it's so implausible that the former president

02:21:05.520 like some random dude on discord he's actually like a destiny fan he's like jerking off to porn

02:21:10.640 and he's 21 years old um liberal guy who hates trump he gets on a roof and the secret service doesn't

02:21:15.660 see him like there must have been somebody on the inside that was tipped off or allowed this to

02:21:19.740 happen because they wanted to uh they wanted to control yeah no like i said like i think it's very

02:21:27.780 it's very possible um but yeah you know oh i guess where i wanted to go with this conversation

02:21:36.260 is uh man it it feels something feels like when i look on twitter bro the amount of just anti-palestine

02:21:52.580 anti-israel conversation that's going on it does feel like you know it's this is what the people who

02:22:03.980 control these avenues of conversation this is what they want they want people to just build up hatred

02:22:12.700 into in their hearts even to the point where we can't just as humans empathize with the innocents

02:22:20.460 that are being slaughtered on both sides you know what i mean it's like a point where people are pro

02:22:26.820 israel don't want to acknowledge the atrocities that are happening to the people in gaza and the people

02:22:32.120 are pro palestine don't want to acknowledge the atrocities that are happening to just regular men

02:22:37.340 and women who play have no nothing to do with the decisions being made at the government level in

02:22:43.640 israel you know it's just turned us all into either um anti-israel people or anti-palestine people

02:22:53.220 and it's i don't know man it's something about it just seems super demonic yeah i mean what's demonic

02:23:00.480 is is what they're spreading right we have this in common this is why i believe in having some sort

02:23:05.560 of unifying uh community which is the love speech community is christians and and muslims who know

02:23:11.300 that zionism is where most of this demonic and where most of demonic entities originate from

02:23:17.180 right zionists did a good job of spreading this idea called judeo-christian values in america

02:23:21.680 this what is judeo-christian values christians believe jews killed jesus so how could you have a

02:23:27.180 shared value if you if they if you believe that jews killed your god how are you going to hold

02:23:31.700 hands together and unite when you have completely different ideologies they literally conflict each

02:23:36.820 other islamic christianity actually there's a lot in common of course we both believe in uh that

02:23:40.900 jesus was a messenger sent by god we both believe jesus was born of the virgin mary uh jews believe

02:23:45.760 that uh mary was uh was i think they believe mary was a prostitute right they they disrespect a lot

02:23:51.620 of these people there's more in common with islamic christianity than um than judaism and

02:23:56.180 christianity and they did this to subvert the west i don't i don't agree with that term judeo-christian

02:24:02.720 value christian uh america was founded on christian value exactly i i agree with that completely but

02:24:07.880 every every conservative politician gets on stage and they not even that they get on stage like

02:24:12.160 judeo-christian values what is that like what is that exactly and you see that all these politicians

02:24:17.800 are funded by israel all of them have undying allegiance to israel they say israel is our greatest ally

02:24:22.140 why what do we get as americans like i'll ask you like what do we get from israel

02:24:27.360 yeah again like i'm i'm not very informed on when it comes to israel and all that well the answer is

02:24:36.060 nothing like we don't get anything from israel like all we do what we get for again as americans

02:24:41.680 but you should know that like you should know that as an american voter you're raising a family

02:24:47.220 and everything as far as i can tell i'm not seeing it as far as what i can tell i'm not seeing what

02:24:52.300 we're getting from that you know it appears that america is just giving aid to israel and

02:24:58.640 there's um i don't know what the equal exchange is or if there's any exchange there's no trade there's

02:25:04.380 no benefit there's nothing all we do is we have military bases surrounding iran um we're always

02:25:09.840 involved in the middle east in order to defend israel and we get nothing in return we give

02:25:13.280 billions of dollars all our politicians are owned by them um and they've compromised so many people

02:25:19.220 in government and the media and we get nothing in return so i mean to be fair though that's the

02:25:25.620 relationship america has with a lot of countries though there are many war-torn countries that we just

02:25:31.640 pour money into that at least on paper you know for the the average american citizen to observe

02:25:39.500 we're not seeing what we're getting in return so yeah but you know um i don't think israel's unique

02:25:45.400 where that's concerned they are like yes america does um too much world policing but the biggest

02:25:51.180 lobbies in america are owned by israel apac is the biggest lobby they have the most amount of money

02:25:56.060 and they brag on their website about how 98 of the politicians that they fund win their elections they

02:26:01.140 are the most powerful lobby in america that's a fact um not only that they control i mean we can go

02:26:06.960 into details about like who controls the banks and the media but all this but it's also it's

02:26:10.100 overwhelmingly dominated by zionists in america uh you can see that in all forms of of control in

02:26:15.860 the banks and the media and government um in hollywood not even just the news in hollywood in

02:26:21.900 the movies it's overwhelmingly dominated by zionists and they don't have allegiance to america they have

02:26:26.060 allegiance to israel that's what they put first ben shapiro for example he's the example of uh you know

02:26:30.780 christian not a christian but a conservative commentator and he's always talking he's apparently an

02:26:35.100 american he has allegiance to israel he has dual allegiance right because zionists they don't

02:26:39.420 put america first which is what trump was saying in the beginning like let's put america first they

02:26:43.600 want to put israel first and america second they're going to put israel's needs before they put america's

02:26:47.840 needs so none of these people should have any sort of influence or power in america and as far as i'm

02:26:54.240 concerned these people are are traitors they're committing treason get out like if you if you want to put

02:26:59.580 israel first if you have birthright because they have the ability to go back to israel whenever they want

02:27:03.360 all right these scientists they can if they commit a crime like if they commit pedophilic acts or

02:27:07.300 something they could commit a crime and you know they're felon they can they have birthright they

02:27:11.560 can just go to israel and then stay there that's it's that's completely messed up so that means that

02:27:16.560 they can do whatever crimes they want across the world and then as soon as they get caught go to

02:27:19.900 israel and then hide and you can see all there's all these uh pedophiles for example that once they

02:27:24.800 get caught they just go hide in israel because israel is not gonna convict them

02:27:28.440 yeah man that's that's that's some interesting stuff like i i would have to read up more about

02:27:35.940 all of that but one thing you said that i do agree with 100 is that here in america america should be

02:27:44.960 priority number one for its citizens you know i'm saying like you got to look after your own household

02:27:50.200 before you can look after anybody else and so yeah you know i'm i'm not a pro israel person

02:27:58.060 like i'm not a pro i'm a pro jesus person that's that's my allegiance you know what i mean i'm a

02:28:05.560 pro jesus person and i'm a pro american person let's go and i'm a pro jamaica person because i you know i

02:28:10.800 came from jamaica i want to see america do well i want to see jamaica do well i want people to turn

02:28:15.620 to christ um and so yeah i guess that's a part of the reason i haven't become so very invested also

02:28:22.780 it's hard for me to invest myself into something where there's clearly a lot of manipulation of

02:28:29.020 the narrative on both sides i think you know there are a lot of people invested in this conflict there

02:28:34.840 are a lot of people who want people to believe a certain thing a certain way there are several

02:28:40.160 psyops going i think and so it's kind of it just seems so radioactive to me all i can do is kind of

02:28:47.500 look from a distance and grieve for the the people who are are hurting as a result of it you know i'm

02:28:54.880 saying yeah i understand what you're saying but i mean it's pretty easy i mean as a christian i don't

02:29:00.380 think it's hard to find like who you're gonna side with this conflict right even the palestinians are

02:29:05.340 90 percent muslim there's 10 percent christians being genocided right now there's a lot of christians

02:29:08.680 in palestine israel is pretty much all jews it's pretty much all jewish people and if you look at

02:29:13.620 what they believe in they disrespect jesus they spit on it they spit on christians in israel you

02:29:17.880 know that like christians will try to to go to church and you could see israelis literally spitting

02:29:21.560 on them they killed i mean you believe i don't believe that i believe the body was swapped

02:29:25.320 but you believe they killed that jews killed jesus correct uh do i but oh yeah that's what the

02:29:31.940 bible teaches clearly so okay so how could you how could we uh if that's their religion like they

02:29:38.480 they killed well god but i mean these jews didn't kill jesus you know the jews from 2 000 years ago

02:29:46.400 did here's the thing i don't need to like look but they reject him as the messiah i understand that

02:29:51.980 the ones today didn't do it they reject them i'll give you an example though right you were on

02:29:55.820 instrument muhammad hijab or i'm not sure his name but he said it's better to be a sodomite muslim

02:30:03.180 than a christian like that to me um is just as good as a spit on in the face of christianity as

02:30:09.740 far as i'm concerned i i understand where you're coming from but what he's describing is that shirk

02:30:15.140 is the greatest sin in islam which is disbelief somebody anybody who associate partners with god

02:30:20.000 that's the biggest sin uh what's the biggest sin in christianity still it still it sounds crazy to me

02:30:25.520 it does it does sound it does i would rather hang out with a muslim any day

02:30:29.900 then you know someone participated in that kind of uh sexual perversion so to hear a muslim say that

02:30:36.180 they think you it'd be better for you to be sleeping with men but be muslim than to be a christian

02:30:43.140 it kind of feels two-faced that's all i'm saying because in one in some instances i hear a lot of like

02:30:49.640 people in islam trying to preach unity between christianity and islam and then i hear guys like

02:30:55.820 that trying to say wild stuff like that yeah i i mean i i wouldn't say that personally uh but what

02:31:03.400 he's saying is is true islamically like shirk is the greatest sin right so that supersedes that sin

02:31:08.760 supersedes the rest of sin and i think christians believe the same thing like right what's the

02:31:12.400 greatest sin in christianity i suppose it would have to be to break the first commandment right which is

02:31:20.220 what um you know have no other gods before me exactly so by that logic you know believing in

02:31:30.040 multiple gods or believing in you know disbelieving in christianity that is worse than being a sodomite

02:31:36.240 by that logic no because here in christianity like for instance you can't be a gay christian

02:31:43.900 you know i'm saying now you might be someone who who has to battle with homosexual desires

02:31:49.660 but he kind of made it sound like you can still be a muslim and be gay in in christianity it's all

02:31:56.000 or nothing all in all out kind of thing and so is that true doesn't jesus save there's there's

02:32:01.440 it doesn't jesus save like there's the fact is like there's christian everybody sins right being

02:32:06.560 gay is a sin you can repent no being gay is like being in adultery or being in fornication it's an

02:32:12.220 ongoing we're talking about someone who is actively participating in that lifestyle we're not

02:32:16.960 talking about someone who may have you know perverted desires or maybe you fell into temptation

02:32:23.880 and then asked for forgiveness we're talking about someone who's living that lifestyle you know the

02:32:29.280 kind of people that hate you and me on twitter you know i'm saying these you can't be that and

02:32:34.740 christian at the same time so unless unless you repent you could be a repenting faggot like that's

02:32:39.520 as long as that happens and i understand what you're saying for example i'd rather live in a

02:32:42.960 neighborhood of christians in a neighborhood of fags there's like no doubt in my mind there's

02:32:46.600 that's not even a question i was even speaking to my friend warner muslim lanson earlier about this

02:32:49.840 like would you rather your son i asked him would you rather your son be gay or be christian or be a

02:32:55.860 gay muslim or a christian and like if you follow islamic logic they have to say gay muslim me like i'm

02:33:01.480 not gonna lie and this is not even islamically accurate and maybe i need to improve i would any day

02:33:05.800 it's not even i would be lying if i if i said i would rather have a gay muslim son than a christian son i

02:33:11.720 would take the christian son any day like is that's not perfect right i have to work on that

02:33:17.020 you know but it's i would be a liar i don't know if you do man some might say that's just common

02:33:22.420 sense right there but you know well that's that's if you follow the logic that's the greatest sin is

02:33:27.540 disbelief and that's and you believe the same thing disobedience in christianity disobedience is

02:33:34.340 synonymous with disbelief so you can't be a disobedient christian you can make mistakes everyone

02:33:41.360 makes mistakes everyone sins everyone falls short of the glory but those mistakes grieve you you have

02:33:47.720 sorrow over them you're caught you feel guilty about them you confess them you ask for forgiveness and you

02:33:53.020 make a sincere effort not to make the same mistake again um but you know you can't just be living in

02:34:00.100 that life and claiming that you're a christian and actually you're in the ancient christians

02:34:05.860 taught very clearly where it is that disobedience that disobedience and disbelief are the same thing

02:34:12.020 they're they're synonymous right um you know in the bible it says to love god is to obey god

02:34:19.220 you know what i mean it's uh you you can't which would mean then to hate god is to disobey him

02:34:26.800 you know what i'm saying that's uh it's a clear line of logic and so yeah you can't be willfully

02:34:33.960 rebellious while still considering yourself well not okay but when someone says a gay muslim that

02:34:42.820 means like a muslim who professes la ilaha illallah that there's one god i bear witness that uh there's

02:34:48.460 only one god and muhammad was a prophet saying that and then like committing acts that are sinful

02:34:53.720 and repenting even regardless of gay or anything if you say you drink alcohol and you repent and then

02:34:58.860 you're you feel you know you show repentance you do it you could be an alcoholic muslim that's still

02:35:03.980 better than being a christian by islamic logic yeah like you can't be an alcoholic christian

02:35:09.600 you know what i'm saying i think i think most christians would disagree with you not the early

02:35:15.060 church and not the bible the bible says no drunkard shall inherit the kingdom of god but you also believe

02:35:21.260 that jesus saves and jesus died for your sin so like if you sin and then repent like what's the what's

02:35:25.460 issue no but here's the thing if you repent you're not an alcoholic but yeah then you stop drinking

02:35:32.320 then you drink again alcoholic is somebody who is ongoingly getting drunk right you're you're you

02:35:39.380 haven't repented if you get drunk today and then you say dear lord i'm sorry then you get drunk tomorrow

02:35:45.280 then you say dear lord i'm sorry they again it you haven't repented but alcoholics still believe

02:35:51.000 that they're like being an alcoholic they still say like oh i'm 20 years sober i'm an alcoholic they

02:35:56.800 still go to an alcoholics anonymous and say that like it's something that they don't really ever get

02:36:00.820 rid of it's something that's why they keep the chips even if they're not actively drinking they're

02:36:04.060 still alcoholics same reason you can be that's that's a culture though that's not christianity

02:36:09.520 yeah but like a dude who's a faggot like he can repent and still like have faggot feelings and he

02:36:15.640 doesn't act on it right but he repents and he regrets it but still mentally he's a faggot you know

02:36:20.140 that could be the same logic well personally i don't believe that someone who maybe has that

02:36:27.040 kind of a perverse um feeling you know towards the same sex is permanently bound to have those

02:36:35.240 feelings i believe that those feelings can be overcome by the power of god but say but say that

02:36:42.860 person died before he fully overcame it right but he still believed in the shahad i still believe that

02:36:47.980 is one god by that logic like he has a better chance of going into heaven than a christian

02:36:55.200 than a disbeliever that's that's islamic logic no yeah yeah no i understand and i think the same

02:37:00.640 logic applies to christianity and so i i understand why people thought that that was inflammatory um and

02:37:06.000 i i personally don't say stuff like that because you know my opinion is like i'm not going to be the

02:37:09.760 one judging on judgment day so why would i place judgment on others uh but what i can see is what we

02:37:14.620 choose in this life and the biggest problems that we face in this life i think all the problems stem

02:37:18.800 back to israel i think every single problem stems back to zionism like everything in terms of lust

02:37:22.760 in terms of porn but you know a rabbi owns porn hub oh really yeah there's uh we can go on all you

02:37:29.620 should um the talmud says some very uh like their their values do not align at all like christian

02:37:35.560 and muslim values are so similar or so so well that wouldn't be surprising if that's true i don't know

02:37:41.760 if it is i haven't verified it for myself but if it's true it wouldn't be surprising because not

02:37:45.900 too long ago i heard there was like a panel of people talking i think jordan peterson was a was

02:37:51.380 on that panel and there was some kind of a jewish you know he was i think he's like a famous person

02:37:58.360 who happens to also be jewish i don't know if he's a theologian or anything but he was saying that

02:38:03.140 watching there was nothing wrong with watching porn you know jordan peterson said that yeah he was

02:38:08.700 saying he was saying something along the lines of it's not adultery because you're not actually

02:38:13.500 physically engaged in in sex and that's something jesus clarified you know jesus said if you even

02:38:19.640 look at a woman to lust after her you've already committed adultery which would qualify jordan

02:38:24.720 peterson pretends to be a christian for views while he works for ben shapiro who's one of the biggest

02:38:29.320 zionists in the country he's owned by daily wire daily wire is owned by ben shapiro who's who wears a

02:38:35.660 and he has allegiance to israel he says israel first he says that he's he pushes judeo-christian

02:38:41.480 values right he's owned by him so this is why jordan peterson is a zionist too this is why he

02:38:47.180 always talks positively about what is what do you what is a zionist i'm not even sure we i have the

02:38:53.940 same definition yeah zionist is somebody that shows allegiance to israel that believes that there

02:38:57.680 should be an ethno-state and that it's israel that a jewish ethno-state of israel

02:39:01.240 a jewish ethno-state of israel so basically you're saying a zionist is someone who believes

02:39:08.680 that only um blood lying jews should live in the region of israel that's uh it's it's a political

02:39:17.580 movement you know it's uh you could consider it's like similar let me i'll read the i don't want to

02:39:22.720 butcher it it's a jewish nationalist movement that has goal and creation of the support of jewish

02:39:30.200 national state in palestine um palestine aka now called israel so yeah it's a it's a political

02:39:36.480 movement that says that the jews need an ethno-state uh of israel interesting okay well yeah you know

02:39:43.460 i i don't know what else to say on that you know it's uh it's some very crazy stuff happening in this

02:39:55.200 world bro yeah and the more you like you look down the rabbit hole you see like um you see how it all

02:40:02.360 it all goes back to the same same place every time yeah i guess i'm kind of more of a like control what

02:40:09.040 you can control kind of thing you know i can't be bothered to be worried about things outside of my

02:40:14.260 control and whatever you know some guy's doing in some dark room you know whatever i can't control

02:40:24.000 that you know i can just control how i live and the people i surround myself with and who you know

02:40:29.780 what i teach my children yeah so i mean i would i would consider these people design as like enemies

02:40:35.600 of your beliefs i think it's like if if they believe they they completely just they reject jesus

02:40:40.500 as the messiah they don't think he they they believe in their own messiah so that's what we

02:40:44.600 that's what we agree upon this is what i like the unity of um we both believe that jesus will return

02:40:50.160 to defeat the antichrist like that we we um we agree upon that they believe their messiah is

02:40:56.820 different see the jews initially rejected jesus they saw jesus and he approached them with uh poor

02:41:02.200 clothes jesus never was flashy and the jews believe okay well the prophet needs to be flashy he needs to

02:41:07.180 have gold he needs to have a throne all this and so they rejected him and they cast him away that's

02:41:10.880 why i don't even i don't even consider jesus to be a jew because uh he was never he never like

02:41:16.080 faith-wise he wasn't he was rejected by the no he was he was a he was a perfect like follower of

02:41:22.220 the torah until death yeah until until they rejected him and then no until death up until death because

02:41:29.840 his death marked the beginning of the new covenant so he truly was he followed the torah but don't

02:41:36.700 think you need to have a bar mitzvah um a bar mitzvah well that's not mentioned in the torah

02:41:45.020 so i don't know if that's a requirement of god i think that might actually be more of like a cultural

02:41:50.900 jewish tradition that developed over time but i've read the entire old testament i see no mention of a

02:41:58.540 bar mitzvah but his beliefs didn't align with us that doesn't even that doesn't make sense because

02:42:02.100 jews don't believe in heaven and hell they don't believe in that like they they don't have the

02:42:06.560 no they believe in the resurrection they believe in the the the not the resurrection of jesus but

02:42:11.840 the resurrection of the dead yeah they do um yeah that's why the resurrection of jesus is so

02:42:20.260 important by the way you know why it's not like oh when you say oh we believe jesus is the messiah

02:42:26.100 just like you yes jesus being the chosen one of god because the word messiah just means anointed

02:42:33.340 the chosen jesus being the chosen one of god it paul said it like this he said if the resurrection

02:42:41.480 didn't happen then it's all for nothing you know what i'm saying because that's what christianity

02:42:48.880 teaches us to look forward to is the resurrection of the dead right christianity teaches that oh when we

02:42:56.260 die our soul goes down into hades and we await uh our resurrection into perfect bodies like the body

02:43:05.240 that jesus was resurrected into in which we will experience immortality right so this idea of you

02:43:12.240 dying and going to heaven this is not um the traditional view this is more of a more modern

02:43:18.480 christian kind of view but if he was a perfect practicer of the torah then um it doesn't seem like he

02:43:25.700 did he practice the sabbath on saturday yeah a hundred percent did he what else did you did he

02:43:31.920 spin the dreidel the dreidel he didn't wear a yarmulke no i don't see any of that in the torah bro

02:43:39.940 where do they get all this stuff uh these are traditions that have developed cultural culturally

02:43:47.020 over time it doesn't mean that you're necessarily bad or wrong or wicked or anything like that but it's

02:43:52.560 just not in the torah so for jesus to be considered a perfect jew in his keeping of the law he needs to

02:44:01.060 keep the laws it was articulated and the law doesn't talk about these are the first five books of the

02:44:06.020 bible it doesn't talk anything about dreidels or yarmulkes or anything like that you know they were

02:44:12.500 taught that they are supposed to wear tassels on the four corners of their garments they weren't supposed

02:44:16.620 to eat certain foods they had to observe the sabbath they had to be circumcised on the eighth day and

02:44:21.620 et cetera et cetera things like that and jesus did all of those there's someone uh in the community

02:44:27.700 there's a unitarian christian that's saying uh he wants to talk to you should do you want to do that

02:44:33.040 another time yeah we can do it another time he's a he's a good he's uh um he's a good guy but yeah he's

02:44:40.720 in the chat spamming it um yeah i'm getting i'm getting tired man i want to do you have any more

02:44:46.060 um was that all your your questions uh you know i kind of wanted to talk about i saw in that

02:44:53.740 interview you did with that one dude he's like a really popular twitch streamer apparently he's a

02:44:58.620 gamer um plays rainbow siege or something like that oh jinx yeah he did five months ago what's his name

02:45:04.760 uh the jinxie yeah yeah that guy you you know you you had said some stuff about depression

02:45:11.840 and i used to have that stance but i've recently changed that stance on depression and i kind of

02:45:21.400 wanted to go into that with you a little bit did you want to talk about that and we yeah yeah what do

02:45:26.180 you agree and disagree with on that one it's been a while so yeah so i i used to you know kind of be

02:45:32.120 of that you know do push-ups feel better suck it up push it down like get focused on something

02:45:39.700 be too busy to be depressed kind of thing um and me personally i've never suffered with like

02:45:47.760 depression or anxiety or anything like that personally i mean i think we've all been sad before

02:45:53.040 right and we've all been anxious before yeah well i would never say that i was ever in a place where

02:45:58.500 like i'm thinking i need to go see a therapist or a doctor or get medicine or anything like that

02:46:03.280 but um you know i've been on have you ever heard of the carnivore diet of course yeah joe rogan does

02:46:10.220 that yeah yeah so like literally yesterday i passed one month of like strict carnivore haven't cheated once

02:46:17.240 right um and something that science is revealing to us like the latest science regarding depression has

02:46:26.920 revealed that depression is usually caused by an inflammation of the brain right depression anxiety

02:46:35.580 a lot of mental illnesses are caused by inflammation of the brain and a lot of the foods that we eat and

02:46:41.860 i'm not saying like everybody right now needs to go carnivore or anything like that you know and i'm not

02:46:47.460 saying that it's something you need to necessarily do for a long period of time or forever anything like

02:46:51.880 that but what's interesting is a lot of the foods that we eat especially the processed foods that we

02:46:59.340 eat but even some of the plant foods they cause a lot of inflammation in our body um and that

02:47:06.140 inflammation it goes all over our body it causes aches and pains and skin rashes and acne and all these

02:47:12.500 things and something else that it contributes to is inflammation of the brain and

02:47:20.200 even though i wasn't a depressed person before or an anxious person before i've noticed bro a

02:47:29.040 significant change in my mental state like i haven't had a bad day in a month and some bad stuff has

02:47:39.100 happened you know i've been in annoying situations things that used to like really bother me and piss me

02:47:45.300 off or or you know made me upset for longer periods of time they just like roll right off of me you know

02:47:53.380 and i know that's not me doing anything different in any other area of my life it was bizarre and so i

02:48:01.160 just wanted to say that because i do think that there is something going on physiologically in the

02:48:09.460 brains of people which lead to depression and if you uh if anyone like ears perked up by what i just said

02:48:16.540 after this stream just type in carnivore diet cured my depression what you're saying is true but like

02:48:23.080 it's not something that you can just catch from the sky like you can get depressed if you have a bad diet

02:48:27.440 if you're playing video games 12 hours a day and you're eating cheetos and you're smoking cigarettes and coffee

02:48:31.440 and you're just putting monster like and your body's filled with junk then your brain's gonna be slower

02:48:36.620 you're gonna be in a vegetative state and you're not gonna be as active and your brain's not gonna

02:48:41.080 be working properly it's more common that you're gonna you're gonna feel depressed because your your

02:48:45.260 body's not filled with the right nutrients yeah but yeah i just wanted to say though i i think a lot

02:48:51.540 of people because i used to have this position and it still seems like you still lean that way somewhat

02:48:58.100 maybe not as far as i thought you did but there are a lot of people that treat depression as if it's a

02:49:04.680 choice you know i'm saying like people are choosing and i guess in a way it is like if it's

02:49:09.440 changing your diet changing your lifestyle sure but you know it's not just oh you're soft oh you're a

02:49:17.240 weak individual i would definitely say i see what you're saying and i would say at this point uh since

02:49:23.560 then that the better see this is the better way to talk about it publicly like i would never tell my

02:49:28.760 friends or not never but i would ultimately not try to share weakness and try to share sadness and put

02:49:34.140 that out into the world i'll say something that happened said before um recently i had a death in

02:49:38.820 the family and as soon as it happened like i finished i just streamed for eight hours straight

02:49:43.840 i didn't think about it at all i'd never mentioned it and then the stream ended and then i i went into

02:49:49.220 the prayer position put my head to the floor and i started crying and then once it was over i was i

02:49:53.960 prayed and we in islam we believe to to cry to allah like those feelings of uh when you're in despair

02:49:59.600 when you have all really extreme feelings like that it's better to share with allah than with

02:50:03.720 other people because other people are not going to understand other people are not going to get it

02:50:07.440 and you're going to be sharing we it's not gonna that they're not going to give you the answers that

02:50:12.340 you need all the answers are from all the answers are in the quran so i put my head to the floor this

02:50:16.400 then i got over it and i went back i went to the gym and got back with my life um and then since then

02:50:22.500 you know it's just that's that's the best way to deal with it that's the best way to in my in my

02:50:29.420 experience because i've dealt with it other ways like back in the day i would probably cope with

02:50:33.220 something like that with alcohol with drinking i probably like you know talk to my friends about

02:50:37.260 it talk to a girl about it i didn't tell anybody actually it was crazy that i was able to do so many

02:50:41.580 streams and never mention it and kind of push it to the back of my head and then when it was time

02:50:45.500 for prayer i was able to access that again and then relinquish it there the feelings need to go

02:50:49.660 somewhere uh even as men like we say that we don't feel as we do it's good better to put those

02:50:54.140 feelings into the gym into your work and to god rather than anywhere else and you have to channel

02:50:59.300 it in the right places that's what i mean by depression is not real if you believe you're

02:51:02.620 depressed you're going to channel it into negative things because you're going to make excuses for why

02:51:07.040 you're being in a vegetative state oh i'm depressed so i'm going to start taking medication i'm

02:51:11.260 depressed i'm going to smoke weed i'm depressed so i can't work today i need a mental health day

02:51:14.600 i can't get this done because i am depressed you've diagnosed yourself and you've chosen

02:51:18.440 to be in this non-solution place when you should find a solution the best solution the only solution

02:51:23.520 is god work prayer and jim yeah um uh yeah i get what you're saying and diet yeah definitely you

02:51:34.340 know your diet should always be right like regardless even in islam we don't even believe

02:51:39.120 in eating haram sorry for interrupting you but we know you're fine yeah we believe in eating halal

02:51:43.880 meat which is means that the the beef needs to be raised the right way they can't be mistreated

02:51:48.640 um they can't be grazing a farm or then a factory or whatever and they have to be killed the right

02:51:54.260 way because you can't even get adrenochrome in the food because a lot of the meat they eat from

02:51:58.360 mcdonald's or whatever they electrocute the beef and then their last second alive is them in this

02:52:02.440 terrified state and so what happens in the blood is that there's all this adrenaline in the blood

02:52:06.920 they call it adrenochrome meat that's halal they're killed they're like you just slice the you say

02:52:10.840 and you slice their neck and they bleed out which is a much more you know i wouldn't say humane but

02:52:16.200 a much more natural way to die rather than being electrocuted i would say though that's probably

02:52:21.580 a longer death than being electrocuted though don't you think yeah but electrocuted puts you in a shock

02:52:26.940 state you know that doesn't happen when you slice it puts them in a shock state no i don't know i think

02:52:34.760 they're just bleeding out slowly they're just bleeding shock is like it's just you feel that though that i

02:52:39.880 would think that if someone cut my throat open i'd feel that and then i'd watch my blood leak out for

02:52:46.040 like the next 20 seconds well you're not going to go into shock you're just going to be like oh you're

02:52:49.240 slow you're just you're dying oh i'm dead i'm pretty sure i'd be very shot bro okay well it's also the

02:52:54.600 way they're raised and stuff like that my blood is like i'm choking on my blood it's like just leaking

02:52:59.840 out on the floor it might take it's probably faster than 20 seconds but i still think and but the

02:53:04.760 adrenaline the adrenaline is different than that electrocution that that's unnatural uh i don't know

02:53:10.720 bro i don't know about that one i think the most humane way to kill an animal is to shoot it in the

02:53:16.900 head that's instant they don't even know one minute they're just eating some grass the next second it's

02:53:24.820 just like the windows like sound boot up sound it's over

02:53:30.300 yeah i shot him that i mean the guns weren't around when uh when our books were written

02:53:37.320 yeah yeah yeah that a lot of you ever watched uh no country for old men of course i have that's a

02:53:44.020 great love that that's probably what your life was like when you left the internet you know

02:53:47.260 not quite no not quite but yeah you know how that's what they use now a lot of times to kill

02:53:55.660 the animals is uh they use the compressed air that thing yeah that's a good that's actually what

02:54:02.840 that was it was like a cattle like i don't know the exact name but that thing he was going around

02:54:09.700 killing people with shooting out door handles with and all that that was used for killing animals

02:54:14.820 instantly it's funny that you brought up that movie because um well for what do you what do you

02:54:22.640 think that movie's about um what no country for old men yeah

02:54:28.160 um man greed evil

02:54:36.380 those are the first two things that come to mind just how how much pure evil exists

02:54:44.660 in the world and how far people go for money both sides both the guy who stole the money and the guy

02:54:52.160 who was pursuing him for it yeah i i think that's uh my biggest takeaway from that movie i think it

02:54:59.740 goes to the title is uh the difference between traditionalism and modernism right so you get no

02:55:07.400 country for old men like the the old guys like the old cop seeing all the craziness like young men are

02:55:12.480 greedy this guy's chasing the money around they see like the these new tools of shooting and all

02:55:18.920 this stuff it's like it's a new world in a world that's really traditional right tech old texas with

02:55:24.360 the cowboy hat and he's got the gun he's slanging he's drinking milk and it's just like this is what

02:55:29.080 we're used to and this is the world that we're adapting to and everything is different and this

02:55:33.200 is not a place where traditional values it can exist anymore this is a place full of evil and greed

02:55:38.960 and craziness and you you just you randomly walk through the desert and you see a big shootout and

02:55:43.780 everything and then at the end of the movie he realizes that like everything is unpredictable

02:55:47.980 like in the last line of the movie he's talking about a dream that he had uh and in the dream he

02:55:53.220 goes to the fireplace and he's sitting down with his father and basically his father repeats the same

02:55:57.320 thing his father's like um it talks about the unknown and about how we're never really going to know

02:56:04.560 the solutions like even though men can act like we have the answers to things we still can exist in

02:56:08.820 a world that's unpredictable like and at the end of the movie where the villain is crossing is driving

02:56:14.340 in the car after he committed a murder he killed the guy's wife and he's driving and randomly a car

02:56:18.080 crash happens out of nowhere and the kids are there and he's tying the shirt like but he survives it

02:56:22.320 like out of nowhere this guy's one of the most villainous people of all time and he gets in a car crash

02:56:26.400 out of nowhere you never know what's going to happen life is unpredictable but you only could find

02:56:31.600 refuge in that in this world of craziness and what is traditional and what we already know

02:56:35.500 and i think that's that's how i found islam was like is this is something that has not changed it's

02:56:40.560 not something that's uh that's been adapted in this world of craziness and greed and evil

02:56:44.940 islam has stayed stagnant and it's it stayed strong and it stayed exactly the way it is so

02:56:50.920 although life is unpredictable we have free will at least i have this that i could fall back on that i i

02:56:56.720 can find solace in yeah well i'm happy for you bro you know even though i'm happy for you too

02:57:05.440 yeah even though i'm a christian and you know that's ultimately the camp i plant my flag and

02:57:11.560 i you know i i just see you as a guy that's also on this life journey and

02:57:20.380 you're you're taking it by the horns and you're trying to to make the most of it and you're trying

02:57:26.840 to you know make the right decisions with the information you have like like me like most with

02:57:35.100 like a lot of guys i would presume and um you know you have tough skin and perseverance and

02:57:43.040 those are all amazing qualities bro and you've all and also the fact that you've turned away from things

02:57:49.120 like frivolous casual sex and all that you know drugs and alcohol and all that that's an amazing

02:57:57.180 thing and so i i pray that god gives you long life and you continue to to move you know to grow in

02:58:05.120 godliness and all that i mean i appreciate that i'm glad you're back too man young don's back finally

02:58:11.020 it's been it's been a long time i've been trying to you know i have been i don't think they understand

02:58:15.740 we've been we've been uh you know keeping a good contact for a while and um i'm glad to see this

02:58:21.420 uh this era of young don i look forward to seeing your content and everything and uh may god keep

02:58:26.280 you steadfast and um keep you and your family safe thank you bro all right bro well god bless thanks

02:58:32.860 thanks for having me man talk soon man have a good one

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SNEAKO - August 10, 2024

SNEAKO Hosts Christian & Muslim Alliance Meeting

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