SNEAKO - SNEAKO & Jake Shields Full Podcast： Future MMA Streams, Nick Fuentes & Adin Ross, & More

00:00:00.200 What's up guys?

00:00:01.200 Jake Shields here with Sneeko.

00:00:02.200 Thanks for having me.

00:00:03.200 Yeah, man.

00:00:04.200 Thanks for coming on.

00:00:05.200 Good to be back.

00:00:06.200 Good to see you again.

00:00:07.200 Yeah, exactly.

00:00:08.200 It's been a while.

00:00:09.200 It's been a while.

00:00:10.200 Yeah, we've known you guys what?

00:00:11.200 Two years, year and a half or something?

00:00:12.200 Something like that.

00:00:13.200 Yeah.

00:00:14.200 When was the last time you've been to Florida?

00:00:15.200 A couple months ago, not that long.

00:00:16.200 And you're here for this party?

00:00:17.200 Yeah, coming out with Pete, coming out.

00:00:18.200 I don't even know what you'd call this.

00:00:19.200 Some influencer thing or some kind of mansion on the beach.

00:00:21.200 It was funny.

00:00:22.200 As soon as I didn't know people were going to be here, I walked in and I could just tell

00:00:24.400 everybody was from Twitter.

00:00:25.400 Yeah, right.

00:00:26.400 Twitter world.

00:00:27.400 All the big Twitter people.

00:00:28.400 It's the way they talk.

00:00:29.400 Everyone speaks in punchlines.

00:00:30.400 Twitter language.

00:00:31.400 Yeah, Twitter language.

00:00:32.400 It's a little weird.

00:00:33.400 Making jokes about like Mein Kampf and some guy with the MAGA hat said, Salaam Alaikum.

00:00:37.400 I'm like, oh, this is Twitter.

00:00:38.400 Yeah, you forget Twitter's not the real world if you're on there too much.

00:00:40.400 You really do.

00:00:41.400 I spent about like six hours a day on Twitter.

00:00:43.400 I'm addicted to Twitter for sure.

00:00:44.400 I cut my time way down before I was on there way too much, but then I got demonetized.

00:00:48.400 It's probably a good thing.

00:00:49.400 So I'm like, all right.

00:00:50.400 Before I could use that as an excuse like, oh, I'm making good money on Twitter.

00:00:52.400 I'm working.

00:00:53.400 But now I'm like, all right.

00:00:54.400 I cut down to like an hour or something now.

00:00:56.400 Well, you still are working.

00:00:57.400 That's the bad part because influence still brings you revenue.

00:00:59.400 You're right.

00:01:00.400 So more people are going to find you.

00:01:01.400 You get more services there, more guests on your podcast.

00:01:03.400 Oh, exactly.

00:01:04.400 So I need the big Twitter and that's how I rationalize it that way.

00:01:06.400 How much were you making before you were demonetized?

00:01:08.400 I think around 10K a month.

00:01:10.400 When did that stop?

00:01:11.400 It stopped like about three months ago.

00:01:13.400 They never sent me an email saying why.

00:01:15.400 I appealed.

00:01:16.400 No response.

00:01:17.400 I've been making like $200 a month since the monetization started.

00:01:19.400 I don't know what you're doing.

00:01:21.400 Yeah, mine was good.

00:01:22.400 I know it was better than a lot of people.

00:01:23.400 I don't know why.

00:01:24.400 I know I do get good metrics, but then maybe there's other factors.

00:01:26.400 Because some people get paid.

00:01:27.400 It's weird how differently people get paid.

00:01:29.400 I'll see like those weird gay Jewish brothers.

00:01:32.400 What are they that cost?

00:01:33.400 The crazy things.

00:01:34.400 They'll say they get like $30 or something.

00:01:35.400 And I don't like those guys, but that's ridiculous.

00:01:37.400 They're not getting paid.

00:01:38.400 They only get $30?

00:01:39.400 They posted something like that.

00:01:40.400 Maybe I'm misquoting.

00:01:41.400 It was like $100.

00:01:42.400 But those guys, they might be dorks, but they still should be getting paid fairly.

00:01:45.400 I mean, I don't know if they're really getting engagement like that.

00:01:47.400 I see them everywhere, but I don't know if they're that popular.

00:01:49.400 I thought that they would be sucking up to Elon a lot.

00:01:51.400 I'm surprised it's that low.

00:01:52.400 No, I know they do.

00:01:53.400 So I'm surprised it's that low.

00:01:54.400 But then you'll see other accounts that aren't that big.

00:01:56.400 And they'll be like, I got $20,000 this time period.

00:01:58.400 Who's getting $20,000?

00:01:59.400 Some Asian girl posted something like that.

00:02:01.400 It was like 200,000 followers.

00:02:03.400 The last couple of weeks, the last couple of payouts.

00:02:05.400 I'm not going to say it.

00:02:06.400 Maybe she's friends with Elon.

00:02:08.400 Regardless, I don't want to use any other social media apps.

00:02:11.400 That's the best place for videos right now.

00:02:13.400 I don't even watch YouTube really.

00:02:14.400 I don't either.

00:02:15.400 I was joking about it because it's funny.

00:02:16.400 I have a podcast and I don't watch podcasts.

00:02:18.400 You don't watch YouTube videos.

00:02:19.400 It's only what I see on the clips like on Twitter.

00:02:21.400 The same thing.

00:02:22.400 All I do is watch clips.

00:02:23.400 It's like the best thing is to.

00:02:25.400 That's the only time I see you.

00:02:26.400 I remember Aiden called.

00:02:27.400 You know who Aiden is?

00:02:28.400 I'm like, yeah, because I've seen him clips of you.

00:02:30.400 Otherwise, I'd have no idea.

00:02:31.400 Are you still going to do that fight?

00:02:33.400 I mean, he's kind of AWOL.

00:02:35.400 He hasn't really called and contacted about it.

00:02:37.400 I saw a flyer with me on there.

00:02:38.400 If I made a fight, it would have to be decent pay.

00:02:42.400 I've done serious fights for a lot of years.

00:02:44.400 If they're paying real money, I would hop in and do it.

00:02:48.400 I would want to fight a real fighter too, not some YouTube guy.

00:02:51.400 Someone like Tyrone Whitley or a Robbie Lawler or an OG of the sport.

00:02:55.400 It doesn't make sense for me to fight unless there's another real fighter.

00:02:58.400 The pay has got to be decent.

00:03:01.400 He's kind of went away right now.

00:03:02.400 He's quitting gambling.

00:03:03.400 He's trying to renegotiate.

00:03:05.400 He credits me for helping him quit gambling.

00:03:08.400 That's great.

00:03:09.400 He's a good guy.

00:03:10.400 He's a good friend of yours.

00:03:12.400 I know you're a good guy.

00:03:13.400 He probably is.

00:03:14.400 Gambling is a real problem for a lot of people.

00:03:15.400 It's good he's quitting.

00:03:16.400 I saw a thing where Dana was talking about how much he gambles.

00:03:19.400 If Dana's saying that, you're like, oh, that must be a problem.

00:03:21.400 Every time I go to that Red Rock Casino, he's there.

00:03:23.400 He's known as a high level.

00:03:24.400 I've seen him gamble like half a million, like millions of dollars on blackjack.

00:03:28.400 The majority of people are losing money, not winning.

00:03:30.400 Maybe the few exceptions like Dan Bazzarian, but that's poker.

00:03:33.400 In blackjack, you can't really win long term.

00:03:35.400 I mean, that's the game it's designed to.

00:03:36.400 The probability that you win is 47%.

00:03:38.400 Yeah.

00:03:39.400 So I mean, by definition, most people are going to lose.

00:03:41.400 Even if you play perfectly, the odds are still against you.

00:03:43.400 So even if you're an amazing blackjack player, you're still at a slight, slight disadvantage.

00:03:47.400 47%.

00:03:48.400 Yeah.

00:03:49.400 I mean, you don't need to be a good blackjack player.

00:03:50.400 You can just ask the dealer.

00:03:51.400 If you ever play, you can just say, dealer, what does the book say?

00:03:54.400 And they know how the book memorized.

00:03:55.400 It's not that hard to memorize it.

00:03:56.400 But yeah, they stack the odds against you.

00:03:58.400 So you can't.

00:03:59.400 The only game you can win on is poker.

00:04:00.400 But you have to be really, really good.

00:04:02.400 Is Dan that good at poker?

00:04:03.400 He is.

00:04:04.400 But he said it's gotten a lot harder to make money because he said people are way better

00:04:07.400 than when he first started playing because there's all the software that teaches you.

00:04:10.400 People can learn online.

00:04:11.400 So he said it's way harder to make money now than it used to be.

00:04:14.400 Dan's also smart though.

00:04:15.400 He'll come.

00:04:16.400 He doesn't necessarily always go try and win the tournaments.

00:04:18.400 He goes and he'll go play with ballers that aren't that good and jack their money.

00:04:21.400 You know, he'll come home with, you know, I'm not talking about finance, but he does

00:04:24.400 really well sometimes.

00:04:25.400 Yeah.

00:04:26.400 He's had some nice ways.

00:04:27.400 He came home with some good chunks of money.

00:04:28.400 And I'm like, holy shit.

00:04:29.400 Yeah, millions.

00:04:30.400 Yeah, millions.

00:04:31.400 Exactly.

00:04:32.400 He came home with millions of dollars.

00:04:33.400 That's the problem with a lot of these skill based games that everyone, the skill

00:04:35.400 level has a rise for everybody.

00:04:36.400 Yeah.

00:04:37.400 Like Call of Duty, everyone's an expert now.

00:04:38.400 Chess, for example, if you play online, everyone's just memorized every move.

00:04:42.400 So there's not like a room for normal people to get in.

00:04:46.400 You have to start from zero and then immediately get to expert level very, very quickly.

00:04:49.400 Yeah.

00:04:50.400 No, he said when we started like 20 years ago, he said it was highly easy to make money.

00:04:53.400 But now he says, you got to be really, really good.

00:04:55.400 Even against the celebrities he plays?

00:04:56.400 Because I see him in the celebrity games.

00:04:57.400 Well, I think that's where he probably cleans up sometimes.

00:04:59.400 Or I think one night there was some really famous soccer player there for a week.

00:05:03.400 I know he cleaned up that week.

00:05:05.400 And you know, it's funny.

00:05:06.400 I see people online being like, oh, Dan's broke now.

00:05:08.400 Like the kind of money I see him coming home.

00:05:09.400 The only two broke to me.

00:05:10.400 Flying around private jets and chefs.

00:05:13.400 Who's saying he's broke?

00:05:14.400 People online are always saying that.

00:05:15.400 It's so weird.

00:05:16.400 Yeah.

00:05:17.400 I mean, there's people who just want to hate for whatever.

00:05:19.400 No, it is weird.

00:05:20.400 Well, we all get haters, I guess.

00:05:21.400 But it's so weird.

00:05:22.400 I remember like first I hang out with Dan and people like, why are you hanging out with

00:05:24.400 that grifter?

00:05:25.400 I'm like, dude, such like a good, like honest dude.

00:05:27.400 Well, same with you.

00:05:28.400 You get a lot of hate, but I've known you a couple of years.

00:05:29.400 You've been like so loyal.

00:05:31.400 You know, you're trustworthy.

00:05:32.400 We talk about things privately.

00:05:33.400 You're not going to spill it.

00:05:34.400 If I ask for a favor, you do it without thinking.

00:05:36.400 And then I see all these guys always hating on you.

00:05:37.400 It makes no sense to me.

00:05:38.400 It's just my industry is not, it's a different world.

00:05:41.400 You know, it doesn't incentivize that.

00:05:43.400 Loyalty is not something that exists within the streaming world.

00:05:46.400 It's so weird.

00:05:47.400 I saw this guy, Fauci.

00:05:48.400 He's like claiming you drinking, sleeping with girls.

00:05:51.400 But I've hung out with you a bunch and I've never seen you do this stuff.

00:05:53.400 And it's like, whether you did or didn't, which I've never seen you do this stuff.

00:05:55.400 But you just say stuff like that with someone who's supposedly your friend is such a dirtbag,

00:05:59.400 scummy thing to do.

00:06:00.400 Like it's amazing guys are like that.

00:06:01.400 Yeah.

00:06:02.400 I mean, that was unfortunate to say that he's older too.

00:06:04.400 He's like 35.

00:06:05.400 But that's the nature of streaming because that gets a lot of clicks.

00:06:09.400 People think that.

00:06:10.400 I saw that.

00:06:11.400 Yeah.

00:06:12.400 You saw it.

00:06:13.400 So whatever gets clicks, whether it's good or bad, people have this idea that all press

00:06:15.400 is a good press.

00:06:16.400 It's not true.

00:06:17.400 Bad press is bad.

00:06:18.400 You don't want to have negative attention around you.

00:06:19.400 But if you're streaming, it's just about views.

00:06:21.400 It doesn't matter if they're good views or bad views.

00:06:23.400 Cause a lot of people will be watching like a kick stream and they're just ready to see

00:06:27.400 somebody get in a car crash or they're just watching the stream because they want to

00:06:30.400 see him get shot or get punched in the face.

00:06:32.400 Yeah.

00:06:33.400 These aren't supporters.

00:06:34.400 This is negative.

00:06:35.400 This is the evil eye watching you all the times.

00:06:37.400 But they're still making money from that.

00:06:38.400 So they've been trained to think it's good.

00:06:40.400 Yeah.

00:06:41.400 A guy like that personally, I would never do anything with a guy.

00:06:43.400 If you're going to sit there and talk crap about someone who's been friends with

00:06:46.400 for years, I want nothing to do with people like that.

00:06:47.400 I find those people disgusting.

00:06:49.400 Yeah.

00:06:50.400 But he's kind of a, he's in a different scenario right now.

00:06:53.400 He's kind of a manic and…

00:06:55.400 So that gets a little tricky.

00:06:56.400 I had a friend that went crazy before and he talked a little crap and I forget.

00:06:59.400 And then he did it again?

00:07:00.400 He didn't do it a second time, but he did go crazy again.

00:07:01.400 He talked crap about other people, not me.

00:07:02.400 So I know it does suck when you see those situations.

00:07:03.400 So it can get a little tricky, like you said, if you're having a manic episode, but

00:07:06.400 it's still, it's just not okay.

00:07:07.400 Yeah.

00:07:08.400 The first time I had a friend that went manic, I forgave him.

00:07:09.400 Went away, mental hospital and stuff.

00:07:10.400 They came out.

00:07:11.400 And then they did it again.

00:07:12.400 Like after twice, you know, no matter how crazy you are or manic or bipolar, twice a

00:07:14.400 time.

00:07:15.400 Like, you know.

00:07:16.400 I have to agree.

00:07:17.400 It's very important.

00:07:18.400 You surround good people in your life.

00:07:19.400 I'm very selective who I let in my circle.

00:07:20.400 And I think most people are successful because there's just so many scumbags that just want

00:07:22.400 to use you and take, take, take and never give back.

00:07:23.400 Like they'll always ask favors.

00:07:24.400 And all of a sudden you ask for a favor back.

00:07:25.400 Like, oh, I can't get that.

00:07:26.400 Can't do that.

00:07:27.400 I hate people like that.

00:07:28.400 Who do I get one way favors?

00:07:29.400 Yeah.

00:07:30.400 You probably get a lot of that in your industry, I bet.

00:07:31.400 Yeah.

00:07:32.400 You probably get one way favors?

00:07:33.400 Yeah.

00:07:34.400 You probably get a lot of that in your industry, I bet.

00:07:35.400 Yeah.

00:07:36.400 No.

00:07:37.400 That happens to me quite a bit.

00:07:38.400 Like I help out a lot of people.

00:07:39.400 And I try to like connect people and do them favors.

00:07:40.400 I've made a lot of people a lot of money.

00:07:41.400 You've been great connecting me with things, but I'm the same way I do.

00:07:42.400 And I get burned sometimes too.

00:07:43.400 You ask someone, hey, can you do this?

00:07:44.400 And then they just don't do it back for you.

00:07:45.400 Yeah.

00:07:46.400 People are, they think very individualistic.

00:07:47.400 Yeah.

00:07:48.400 Yeah.

00:07:49.400 Yeah.

00:07:50.400 Yeah.

00:07:51.400 Yeah.

00:07:52.400 Yeah.

00:07:53.400 Yeah.

00:07:54.400 Yeah.

00:07:55.400 Yeah.

00:07:56.400 Yeah.

00:07:57.400 Yeah.

00:07:58.400 Yeah.

00:07:59.400 Yeah.

00:08:00.400 Yeah.

00:08:01.400 Yeah.

00:08:02.400 Yeah.

00:08:03.400 Yeah.

00:08:04.400 Yeah.

00:08:05.400 Yeah.

00:08:06.400 They don't, that does have that.

00:08:07.400 You're right.

00:08:08.400 That's very commonplace, but I still do.

00:08:09.400 I like to do good things regardless.

00:08:10.400 I think in the long run though, it hurts them because in the long run, people like you,

00:08:14.400 the relationship you'll keep will be over years.

00:08:16.400 A lot of these people, we don't always burning relationships.

00:08:19.400 The streaming world.

00:08:20.400 I mean, you want to get into it, but it's, I want to get out.

00:08:24.400 It's actually funny that you're getting into it, but I'm ready to leave.

00:08:27.400 I think maybe one, two years left of the, the amount of stream.

00:08:30.400 I just stream right before coming in too.

00:08:32.400 Yeah.

00:08:33.400 I'm always, I'm going to go live again tonight.

00:08:34.400 Yeah.

00:08:35.400 I'm always live, but being, you know, watched like that at all times is just not.

00:08:39.400 Yeah.

00:08:40.400 I know.

00:08:41.400 I definitely do not want to get like you do.

00:08:42.400 I want to do like mild amount.

00:08:43.400 I'm more, more podcast, do like a tiny bit of streaming.

00:08:45.400 You stream like all the time.

00:08:46.400 I remember one day we streamed for like 10 hours, 10, 12 hours.

00:08:48.400 I was exhausted after that.

00:08:49.400 And it's really draining.

00:08:50.400 Yeah.

00:08:51.400 I know.

00:08:52.400 It's funny you say that.

00:08:53.400 Cause you not fake, but you have to be a little bit different with cameras on versus they

00:08:58.400 aren't.

00:08:59.400 And we were just doing random shit, but like 10 hours.

00:09:00.400 I'm like, dude, how do you do this all the time?

00:09:01.400 I'm like exhausted after this.

00:09:02.400 It's funny hearing you say that.

00:09:03.400 Cause there's always this debate going about whether a nine to five job is harder than streaming.

00:09:07.400 But if you're doing 10 hours of streaming, you're like, it's very draining.

00:09:10.400 Yeah.

00:09:11.400 It's tough.

00:09:12.400 At least you can vouch because they think that it's nothing.

00:09:13.400 No, I mean, I'm not saying it's a bad job.

00:09:15.400 I would probably prefer to do that, but it, but it drained me.

00:09:18.400 Cause maybe I'm not used to the cameras cause it's just like constantly having this camera

00:09:21.400 face for that many hours.

00:09:22.400 It was like, by the time I'm done, I'm like, Oh my God, I need to go relax.

00:09:25.400 I'm kind of naturally kind of a introvert.

00:09:27.400 So I have to like train myself to be more outgoing.

00:09:29.400 And that was just a lot of time to like, Oh, you constantly got to be talking and entertaining

00:09:32.400 the crowd.

00:09:33.400 And yeah, I don't think it's an easy job at all.

00:09:35.400 How did you get your social battery to go up like that?

00:09:38.400 Cause you strike me as a naturally introverted guy.

00:09:40.400 I think I just kind of forced myself to start going out and talking to people.

00:09:43.400 And then you grow more confidence.

00:09:45.400 Like when I was young, I was extremely introverted and I just kind of kept forcing myself to

00:09:50.400 do it and get more comfortable.

00:09:51.400 It's something that you got to train.

00:09:52.400 Yeah.

00:09:53.400 You got to go out and force it.

00:09:54.400 You know, like people, it's not, I mean, still sometimes it'll be like, Oh shit, it's

00:09:57.400 hard to go and talk to people, but I forced myself to do it.

00:09:59.400 I think some people, you can't change it.

00:10:00.400 You know, and some people, I'm not on the extreme end of introvert.

00:10:03.400 Some people it's harder, but there's times where after people go out, like I need to go be alone.

00:10:07.400 Sometimes I go, I'm trained.

00:10:08.400 I need to go be alone for like an hour or two.

00:10:09.400 That was me when I used to do meetups in London and the park and people would come.

00:10:14.400 And afterwards I was so drained after talking to everybody.

00:10:16.400 I would just like need to sit in the car and silence and just like, not like, just like

00:10:20.400 mummified, not even asleep, but just completely quiet.

00:10:22.400 The meetups are one of the most exhausting things we could do.

00:10:23.400 The reason is you're probably the same.

00:10:25.400 Cause I figure people that are coming out to meet me, sometimes standing in line for

00:10:28.400 an hour, every person, I want to give them my full energy.

00:10:30.400 So after a couple of hours of that, I'm just completely wiped out.

00:10:34.400 Completely wiped out.

00:10:35.400 Same thing.

00:10:36.400 I need to go somewhere for like an hour by myself and just like decompress.

00:10:39.400 In a way.

00:10:40.400 And there were other people in the car, had the camera afterwards and whatever.

00:10:42.400 And I just like, it was almost like I was depressed, not depressed, but just like, they

00:10:46.400 wanted to talk at it.

00:10:47.400 I was, I had no emotion.

00:10:48.400 No, nothing.

00:10:49.400 Cause I don't, you think they sound ridiculous.

00:10:50.400 I don't know.

00:10:51.400 But if they think if someone's in line to see you, they're a huge fan, you have to give

00:10:54.400 that, or you show you that person energy.

00:10:55.400 Some people don't.

00:10:56.400 I see sometimes these guys are famous guys cause they wait in line for like hours to

00:10:59.400 see them.

00:11:00.400 They're just kind of like, next person.

00:11:01.400 I'm like, wow, that's kind of fucked up.

00:11:02.400 Like this guy like looks up to you and that's the only energy you give them.

00:11:05.400 Yeah.

00:11:06.400 I mean, they probably drove like 40 minutes to an hour or something like that.

00:11:09.400 They, they waited.

00:11:10.400 They were watching other people like talk in line.

00:11:11.400 Yeah.

00:11:12.400 They really want to get that moment.

00:11:13.400 But even after that meetup, people like follow me to the car and in the parking lot already

00:11:17.400 like tired.

00:11:18.400 It can be exhausting.

00:11:19.400 But the one time you don't do the picture or something, then they hate you and it sucks.

00:11:22.400 There's been a few times you're just not in the mood and you like run off or something.

00:11:25.400 Then the person's like, Oh, what a jerk.

00:11:27.400 I mean, if you're on stream too and you don't give somebody the interaction, the whole chat

00:11:31.400 gets angry.

00:11:32.400 Look how he treats the fans.

00:11:33.400 Look how, look how evil the person is.

00:11:34.400 That's good.

00:11:35.400 But overall, no, it's hard at times.

00:11:36.400 And it's, you know, like not been that famous.

00:11:38.400 I was actually really surprised how famous you are going out with you.

00:11:41.400 I didn't realize you were that famous when you first came to interview me.

00:11:43.400 I barely knew who you were with no YouTube and stuff.

00:11:46.400 We go out and you just get recognized everywhere.

00:11:47.400 I'm like, you managed to get huge despite no YouTube.

00:11:50.400 How do you think you've done that?

00:11:51.400 It's gotta be the clips.

00:11:52.400 That's all it is.

00:11:53.400 Like people still come up to me.

00:11:54.400 They always say like, Oh yeah, that's a YouTuber.

00:11:56.400 When I travel abroad and then like someone's parents don't know who I am.

00:11:59.400 They're like, Oh, that's a YouTube.

00:12:00.400 They always describe me as a YouTuber.

00:12:02.400 But 99% of the people that they're just seeing clips.

00:12:05.400 Yeah.

00:12:06.400 So I got banned at the right time where everything shifted and people stopped watching videos

00:12:10.400 and people were more just going to scroll like you.

00:12:12.400 Like, you know, we all, nobody watches Twitter.

00:12:14.400 Yeah.

00:12:15.400 That's where you only use Twitter or no one's using podcast or it's just tick tock.

00:12:18.400 So I got banned at the right time.

00:12:19.400 Trump is saying that we might get reinstated in January for the people that were banned

00:12:23.400 from misinformation.

00:12:24.400 That's going to be, I'm really looking forward to that.

00:12:26.400 If I get back, cause I know you saw me get reinstated on YouTube for like about 12 hours.

00:12:31.400 And then banned right again.

00:12:32.400 I know.

00:12:33.400 I was so happy for it.

00:12:34.400 Like, Oh great.

00:12:35.400 Single guy's page back.

00:12:36.400 And then he got banned.

00:12:37.400 What do you think?

00:12:38.400 That was so weird.

00:12:39.400 What was that?

00:12:40.400 Maybe just an employee shut it off or something like that.

00:12:42.400 It had to be someone didn't like you.

00:12:43.400 Maybe I pulled this guy out.

00:12:44.400 I had, there's people like that on every website.

00:12:46.400 It happens.

00:12:47.400 I have it on kick.

00:12:48.400 I just started streaming on kick and there's like moderators who don't like me.

00:12:50.400 And I got deleted.

00:12:51.400 I got banned for the stupidest thing.

00:12:52.400 Someone wore Hitler costume on Halloween.

00:12:54.400 I got banned for hate speech.

00:12:55.400 You know, it says literally Halloween, but you weren't even in the costume.

00:12:58.400 It wasn't even me in the costume.

00:12:59.400 So it's like, wait, so if someone plays Call of Duty and there's a swastika, is that hate speech?

00:13:04.400 If I like, if I'm watching a documentary about Nazi Germany, is that hate speech because there's a swastika?

00:13:09.400 Like what's the description?

00:13:10.400 No, it's history.

00:13:11.400 That's one that's always so weird to me that you can't talk about anything World War II.

00:13:14.400 It's like, why can't we talk about these things?

00:13:16.400 We can, we can talk about the communists.

00:13:18.400 We can talk about Mao.

00:13:19.400 We can talk about, you know, Stalin who did mass murders.

00:13:22.400 I could dress up as Mao or Stalin and it wouldn't be, wouldn't be cast.

00:13:25.400 They killed way more people than the Nazis.

00:13:26.400 It's so strange.

00:13:27.400 But yeah, he's the symbol of hate speech.

00:13:29.400 So yeah, every website there, there's someone, but the YouTube, imagine, cause I started YouTube

00:13:34.400 when I was 13, 10 years on YouTube.

00:13:36.400 Even before I was streaming, I was making videos and then I get banned.

00:13:39.400 I lose everything.

00:13:40.400 They wipe my whole channel.

00:13:41.400 It's gone for two years.

00:13:42.400 And then I get it back for one day.

00:13:43.400 You were probably so happy.

00:13:44.400 You know, I was happy when I saw that.

00:13:45.400 Oh, that's awesome.

00:13:46.400 So you got his page back.

00:13:47.400 He's really gonna blow up now and then boom.

00:13:48.400 And then you lose it again.

00:13:49.400 It's like people, I describe it to people.

00:13:51.400 Like imagine being with the most beautiful girl ever, like a 10 out of 10 dime piece.

00:13:54.400 And then you lose her, like the one that got away.

00:13:56.400 And then you get her back for one night and then she's gone again.

00:13:58.400 Like that, that's separate, but it's fine.

00:14:00.400 You know, it's not the, I still have hope that I think it's going to come back in 2025.

00:14:05.400 Well, yeah, you managed to be really big without it.

00:14:07.400 Like we were saying, so you'll be fine.

00:14:08.400 Hopefully you'll get it back.

00:14:09.400 But like I said, you've, you've adapted and gotten, you'll make without YouTube.

00:14:12.400 You'd be bigger with YouTube, but you can survive without them.

00:14:14.400 It shows.

00:14:15.400 It's not even really that much about you.

00:14:16.400 It's just the catalog.

00:14:17.400 Cause I had, I just been doing it for so long.

00:14:19.400 It was like a diary of my whole life on, on that channel, just to have that back and be

00:14:22.400 able to see that.

00:14:23.400 That's what I really want.

00:14:24.400 Yeah.

00:14:25.400 So what made you start at 13?

00:14:26.400 I mean, it does the same reason I think people are getting into it now.

00:14:29.400 It was just really interesting to be able to communicate with an audience to just have

00:14:31.400 a laptop and a camera and be able to travel around and do that.

00:14:35.400 That's always what's a, what spoke to me.

00:14:37.400 And I saw it as the future and I was right.

00:14:39.400 Like I bet everything on that when I was younger, I'm like, this is going to be the next big thing.

00:14:43.400 I think streaming is going to continue to explode.

00:14:45.400 It's taking over TV.

00:14:46.400 Nobody watches.

00:14:47.400 No, I don't watch TV.

00:14:48.400 I mean, even this election proved it.

00:14:50.400 Like all the influence has gone to the streamer, to the influencer, to the podcaster, to the

00:14:54.400 YouTuber.

00:14:55.400 Now the celebrities that endorse Kamala, they lost.

00:14:57.400 Yeah.

00:14:58.400 Right.

00:14:59.400 That's the one who, the celebrity, um, guard, the old guard, Beyonce's Cardi B,

00:15:04.400 Marvel movie people, Robert De Niro.

00:15:06.400 They all endorsed Kamala Harris cause they thought that were the most famous ones and they

00:15:09.400 lost.

00:15:10.400 And the people that endorse Trump are like Aiden Ross, Theo Vaughn, Joe Rogan, you know,

00:15:14.400 me, these people.

00:15:15.400 So that proves that that has a bigger, even though he might not be as famous.

00:15:19.400 And so that's a real connection.

00:15:20.400 That's more valuable.

00:15:21.400 Like, yeah, people know who you are.

00:15:22.400 People know who Beyonce is.

00:15:23.400 No one cares what she thinks about politics.

00:15:25.400 People want to listen to people that they trust.

00:15:27.400 There's no trust in a Marvel celebrity.

00:15:28.400 There's trust in the influencer.

00:15:30.400 Yeah.

00:15:31.400 That's actually kind of why I started a podcast because, you know, Twitter, you can get some things

00:15:34.400 out, but Twitter is also divisive.

00:15:35.400 You kind of shit post on there.

00:15:37.400 At least I do.

00:15:38.400 So it's not a good place to get invested, but podcasts, you can be more real, honest.

00:15:41.400 So I'm like, you know what?

00:15:42.400 I don't like most of the current podcasts and they're not speaking truth.

00:15:45.400 Why not start my own thing?

00:15:46.400 I could buy, you know, we literally could, we can bypass them now and start our own media

00:15:50.400 and get bigger than the big media.

00:15:51.400 You know, I think in a year or two, I'll be bigger than the viewerships on CNN and stuff.

00:15:54.400 You will.

00:15:55.400 I mean, Elon Musk said it.

00:15:56.400 He said, you are the media now.

00:15:57.400 And he's right.

00:15:58.400 You know, Elon Musk did a great job with buying Twitter.

00:16:01.400 I think that really was Richard Medal and win the election.

00:16:03.400 Yeah.

00:16:04.400 It's been so great.

00:16:05.400 I mean, there's been things, obviously I'm critical of some things, but Elon, but overall,

00:16:08.400 it's been amazing that he bought that sacrifice money for free speech.

00:16:10.400 It's not full free speech, but it's way closer to anything else.

00:16:13.400 I didn't even realize it because I don't use other platforms, but then I'll put my clips

00:16:16.400 in other places and they get flagged and pulled down.

00:16:18.400 And that's when I start realizing like, oh, there's a big difference between Twitter

00:16:21.400 and Instagram and Tik Tok and these places.

00:16:23.400 All of them.

00:16:24.400 Yeah.

00:16:25.400 I think I'm going to go back to criticism of Elon.

00:16:26.400 There's no point.

00:16:27.400 Like the guy's doing so much good.

00:16:28.400 So might as well focus on the good thing.

00:16:30.400 No, he's, he's done so much good.

00:16:31.400 I get minor criticism against them because that's fine.

00:16:33.400 But overall he's been a huge, a huge net good for society.

00:16:36.400 And he's done, he's done so many different things to help, help launch PayPal, Tesla.

00:16:40.400 I know people hate on him.

00:16:41.400 I think they're great cars, SpaceX.

00:16:42.400 Like it's amazing what this guy has done.

00:16:44.400 And Chris Pawlowski with rumble.

00:16:46.400 That was, that was really important.

00:16:47.400 I think one will have more live viewers on election night than YouTube.

00:16:50.400 More people were on that website because YouTube has no free speech.

00:16:54.400 I think they're starting to realize that, you know, shutting people out and trying to

00:16:57.400 push more narrative doesn't work.

00:16:58.400 People were surprised.

00:16:59.400 If you look at the map after the election, seeing how red it is all over the country.

00:17:03.400 If you just look at Tik Tok or Instagram, you would think that it would be all LGBT liberal.

00:17:07.400 That's not the case.

00:17:08.400 Young male voters really came out in flocks to vote for Trump.

00:17:11.400 Oh yeah.

00:17:12.400 Things are changing.

00:17:13.400 And yeah, rumble too.

00:17:14.400 Rumble is great.

00:17:15.400 Some of my videos do better on rumble than YouTube overall.

00:17:17.400 I have certain, some ones do way better on YouTube, like fighters and stuff like that.

00:17:20.400 But some of the political ones have more views than rumble.

00:17:22.400 It's pretty crazy.

00:17:23.400 I'm like, oh, rumble is getting way bigger.

00:17:24.400 It's going to keep getting bigger during the Trump administration too.

00:17:27.400 I'm really, I, I, I was in your vote before, but the last like two weeks when he was campaigning,

00:17:32.400 I decided I'm like, you know, Trump's the better option.

00:17:35.400 I've been really happy with Trump for the last couple of weeks.

00:17:37.400 I've been very critical for the same reasons we've had.

00:17:39.400 I've gone really back and forth if I was going to vote for him or not.

00:17:41.400 I ended up, you know, not registered last minute.

00:17:43.400 So I didn't vote.

00:17:44.400 But last minute I was like, well, I kind of wish I would to vote for him.

00:17:46.400 So I was really back and forth, you know, with, we, we were very similar on our views

00:17:49.400 with him.

00:17:50.400 And, and so he gave that great speech about censorship and I hope I'm completely wrong

00:17:53.400 about it.

00:17:54.400 And I'll, I'll be the first, you know, I'll apologize and be like, wow, I really, I never

00:17:57.400 told anyone not to vote for him.

00:17:58.400 Anyone asks who you should vote for.

00:17:59.400 I said, he's clearly better than Kamala.

00:18:01.400 So I never told anyone not to vote for him, but it's like, I hope he does great and proved

00:18:04.400 me wrong.

00:18:05.400 We'll see.

00:18:06.400 So we'll see over the next couple of years.

00:18:07.400 I'm two for two.

00:18:08.400 I've only voted in two elections.

00:18:09.400 I didn't vote for him in 2020 because I didn't, I didn't like his campaign in 2020.

00:18:12.400 Yeah.

00:18:13.400 I voted in 2016 and when I was in high school and I voted again for this election.

00:18:17.400 So yeah, I voted for both the, both the first few times and then skipped this one.

00:18:20.400 So, but I hope he proves me wrong.

00:18:21.400 I never did any good stuff, but I still hope he does way better than I suspect.

00:18:25.400 What do you want to see?

00:18:26.400 What do you, what do you want to see this first year?

00:18:28.400 The censorship thing will be massive that he said he wants to do.

00:18:31.400 I want to see that.

00:18:32.400 Hopefully, you know, the cut taxes a little bit and maybe not major, but a small tax cut.

00:18:36.400 We're not going to get a big tax cut realistically.

00:18:39.400 Close the borders.

00:18:40.400 Open borders are insane.

00:18:41.400 Hopefully he does that.

00:18:42.400 I would love to cut funding to Israel and Ukraine and the Ukraine war and the Israeli war.

00:18:47.400 Those two are massive to me.

00:18:48.400 I don't think the Israel war is the one that I really want ended.

00:18:51.400 And that's the one he was like pushing for too much.

00:18:54.400 The Palestine government already said that they wanted to end the war.

00:18:56.400 As soon as Trump was elected, they, they, they reached out and said like, let's, let's

00:19:00.400 call it quits.

00:19:01.400 I'm very hopeful.

00:19:02.400 I'm very, I'm more, I don't know, just driving around since Trump elected.

00:19:05.400 I'm just, it feels good to have a, have Trump back.

00:19:08.400 Like have this guy in charge.

00:19:09.400 It felt good when he won.

00:19:10.400 I'm not going to lie.

00:19:11.400 It felt really good.

00:19:12.400 He won.

00:19:13.400 You know, I'm not going to say I didn't have doubts like, oh, maybe I should have gone

00:19:14.400 and voted, but hey, he won anyways.

00:19:15.400 Yeah.

00:19:16.400 I'm very optimistic about, I feel more patriotic than before.

00:19:19.400 It was good to see people do the right thing.

00:19:21.400 And then funny to see liberals cry.

00:19:23.400 Yeah.

00:19:24.400 I love that part.

00:19:25.400 I think I'm the only one not wearing a MAGA hat at this party.

00:19:27.400 It's kind of funny.

00:19:28.400 I know.

00:19:29.400 I walked in, people have the dark MAGA hats and everything.

00:19:30.400 I think there's a lot of people here.

00:19:31.400 But I feel like I just couldn't have put one on if I didn't vote for him.

00:19:33.400 That would be just too fake.

00:19:34.400 I mean, you're still supporting him.

00:19:35.400 I know I am.

00:19:36.400 I am happy he won and I'm feeling optimistic.

00:19:37.400 He gave a speech yesterday, the other day about censorship and it was great.

00:19:40.400 I'm like, wow, this is, you know, this maybe is going to be way better than I thought.

00:19:43.400 And you voted for him twice.

00:19:44.400 You can put it on.

00:19:45.400 We don't judge you.

00:19:46.400 Fair, fair.

00:19:47.400 You voted for him twice.

00:19:48.400 I mean, the election night was, that was monumental.

00:19:52.400 That was fun.

00:19:53.400 I mean, you called in a bit for that stream, but I think that was one of my best streams ever.

00:19:56.400 Yeah.

00:19:57.400 It was just such a blowout.

00:19:58.400 We were going to do a stream together, but I think you were smart at your last minute.

00:20:01.400 You're like, oh, I'm going to celebrate instead.

00:20:02.400 And that brings me to this moment.

00:20:03.400 You had an encounter with, what's his name?

00:20:05.400 Rabbi Shmuley.

00:20:06.400 Yeah.

00:20:07.400 Basically with him, you don't really have to talk.

00:20:08.400 He's such a fool.

00:20:09.400 He just made a complete fool of himself.

00:20:11.400 What happened there?

00:20:12.400 So there was a big gathering at Rockefeller Center in New York.

00:20:16.400 That's where all the flags are on the ice rink is.

00:20:18.400 And I showed up there, you know, just ready to support Trump.

00:20:21.400 I'm there with the American flag.

00:20:22.400 I didn't want to talk about Israel and Alassane because I wanted all the focus to be on Trump.

00:20:25.400 Yeah.

00:20:26.400 I was trying to generate votes last second, you know, and get that last push in encouraging

00:20:29.400 people and making sure that the narrative is good and to celebrate the win.

00:20:33.400 And I see Rabbi Shmuley.

00:20:34.400 I see what the big, like he's walking around.

00:20:36.400 He's flying around.

00:20:37.400 He has a giant Israel flag around him.

00:20:38.400 I had my American flag wrapped on him.

00:20:40.400 It was like a polar opposite to him with Israeli flag.

00:20:43.400 And I see him like, I tell the chat, I'm like, I see there's Rabbi Shmuley.

00:20:46.400 And they're all saying, go press him, go press him.

00:20:47.400 But I'm like, this is not the place.

00:20:49.400 I don't want to cause a big scene.

00:20:50.400 I don't want to take away the attention from Trump.

00:20:53.400 So I'm just standing here.

00:20:54.400 And then he walks over to me and comes to my space.

00:20:57.400 Kind of like Israel.

00:20:58.400 He comes in and immediately plays victim.

00:21:01.400 Because my bodyguard's right here.

00:21:03.400 I have to go bodyguard in public sometimes.

00:21:06.400 Yeah.

00:21:07.400 And my bodyguard whispers me like, yo, do you want me to like end this conversation?

00:21:10.400 And he's like, what are you saying?

00:21:11.400 You want to cancel?

00:21:12.400 You want to kill me?

00:21:13.400 You want to shoot me?

00:21:14.400 He's the worst.

00:21:16.400 I feel bad for Jews because I love Jews.

00:21:18.400 Yeah.

00:21:19.400 And he embodies all the negative stereotypes in one person.

00:21:22.400 I posted that clip and someone was like, he's the number one cause of anti-Semitism.

00:21:26.400 Because he sells dildos with his daughter.

00:21:28.400 It sounds like I'm joking.

00:21:29.400 Yeah, he does.

00:21:30.400 And he bragged about it.

00:21:31.400 He's like, I'll give you the mom and pop discount.

00:21:33.400 And I think he just made himself look terrible.

00:21:35.400 He's like pointing around and yelling.

00:21:37.400 Absolutely terrible.

00:21:38.400 He tried all the tactics, like victimize himself, you know, create division.

00:21:41.400 He's like, oh, how are you as a black man going to be working for white supremacists?

00:21:45.400 He's like, what do you think about black people?

00:21:47.400 Like I am black.

00:21:48.400 He had nothing.

00:21:50.400 No.

00:21:51.400 I think he embarrassed himself.

00:21:52.400 And I'm surprised.

00:21:53.400 He posted it himself too.

00:21:54.400 And everybody's roasting him.

00:21:55.400 It almost is like, you know how people say, oh, this guy's a Mossad agent to try to

00:21:59.400 infiltrate.

00:22:00.400 It's almost like he's a Hamas agent designed to make his work terrible.

00:22:03.400 We hired him to make Jews look better.

00:22:06.400 That's how bad.

00:22:07.400 And he's the biggest Israeli apologist, I think, in America.

00:22:09.400 He's the one debating for them so bad.

00:22:11.400 The fact that he came over there with all these slimy tactics and looked so bad against

00:22:15.400 me where I wasn't even a parent of the subject.

00:22:18.400 I don't think that's good for them.

00:22:19.400 And hopefully I think that debate wakes up a lot of the Trump supporters.

00:22:22.400 Yeah.

00:22:23.400 I think they're able to see that because everybody who votes for Trump wants to put America first.

00:22:27.400 How are we going to put America first while giving all this money to Israel?

00:22:30.400 Yeah.

00:22:31.400 Well, the fact that he's walking around an Israeli flag, this is a problem.

00:22:33.400 Like I said, I have nothing against Jews, but I've noticed a lot of Jews, they put

00:22:37.400 Israel before America.

00:22:38.400 And to me, that's just not okay.

00:22:39.400 You should have an American flag.

00:22:40.400 You shouldn't be walking around with an Israeli flag.

00:22:42.400 That's just the same.

00:22:43.400 It's an American election.

00:22:44.400 It's not an Israeli election.

00:22:45.400 So why is this flag even there?

00:22:47.400 Nobody points that out.

00:22:48.400 If somebody showed up to that election party with a Moroccan flag or whatever flag, I'd be

00:22:53.400 like, what are you doing here?

00:22:54.400 This is a day to celebrate America.

00:22:55.400 We have our country back finally.

00:22:57.400 Get this flag out of here.

00:22:59.400 I agree.

00:23:00.400 This was actually the reason I didn't vote for Trump.

00:23:01.400 He kept giving things in front of Israel's flags.

00:23:03.400 He posted pictures of Israel's flags.

00:23:05.400 That was the issue that made me decide not to do it.

00:23:07.400 Like I said, I still think it's grade 31 and isn't that good, but that was why I just

00:23:10.400 can't put my name behind this.

00:23:11.400 No, it was pretty egregious towards the end.

00:23:13.400 There was a lot of, he was next to a lot of his flags.

00:23:15.400 He was there with the rabbi Schneerson at that.

00:23:18.400 That was the tunnel ones too.

00:23:19.400 It wasn't just regular Jews.

00:23:20.400 It was the Jews that dug the tunnels.

00:23:22.400 That's the one that dug the tunnels.

00:23:24.400 The guy that started that branch, he like basically said that only Jews souls or not

00:23:29.400 Jews souls were like satanic, but basically go to hell.

00:23:31.400 Schneerson, yeah, I know.

00:23:32.400 Yeah, it's completely insane.

00:23:33.400 And Trump went there.

00:23:34.400 Yeah, it was pretty egregious towards the end.

00:23:36.400 But I think that, I mean, we were speaking this right before.

00:23:39.400 If you read the art of the deal, Trump knows how to get people on your side.

00:23:42.400 I think he's very diplomatic and I think he knows how to keep people's egos better than

00:23:46.400 other politicians.

00:23:47.400 That's why I think Trump did so well geopolitically in his first term was that he understands business

00:23:51.400 negotiations where half of getting a good deal is just appealing to someone's ego, making

00:23:56.400 them feel present, giving them validation.

00:23:59.400 If you give someone the right validation in negotiation, they're going to give you so

00:24:02.400 much more money.

00:24:03.400 They're going to want to work with you.

00:24:04.400 If you make them feel good and you tell them like, oh yeah, you're a star or you're the

00:24:08.400 best businessman.

00:24:09.400 You say whatever they want to hear, they're going to work with you.

00:24:11.400 Other politicians are not able to do that because they're not diplomatic.

00:24:14.400 That's why he was so good.

00:24:15.400 It's because he comes from that business background.

00:24:16.400 Yeah, I really hope I was wrong about Trump and I'll be the first to say, hey, I fucked

00:24:20.400 up and praise the guy.

00:24:21.400 It's very possible.

00:24:22.400 That would be great if he goes out and just does great for America.

00:24:25.400 Overall, he's going to be better in America for sure.

00:24:26.400 It's going to thrive.

00:24:27.400 America's not doing that well right now.

00:24:29.400 I mean, we're both on the upper end and doing fine financially, but people are struggling.

00:24:32.400 If you were at the grocery store and stuff, do you see the prices sometimes?

00:24:35.400 It's ridiculous.

00:24:36.400 The average wage is not that high.

00:24:37.400 No.

00:24:38.400 If you're like a person trying to feed a family by yourself, it's almost like the mother

00:24:41.400 has to work too and it shouldn't be like that.

00:24:42.400 The mother is able to stay home and take care of the kids, but we're in a situation where

00:24:46.400 most families can't do that nowadays.

00:24:47.400 The average salary is like $50,000.

00:24:49.400 Yeah.

00:24:50.400 I couldn't imagine living off that.

00:24:51.400 It's just like you can't barely eat and stuff.

00:24:53.400 You can't go to restaurants.

00:24:55.400 You can't really do much on that.

00:24:56.400 No, in Miami, the lifestyle that I live and that most people around me live, if you're making

00:25:00.400 $50,000 a month, even then, it's just like, dude, let's step it up.

00:25:03.400 No, it's crazy because we're, like I said, we're in cities, people doing well.

00:25:06.400 So yeah, we're looking at maybe a little crazy to respect it, but exactly.

00:25:08.400 You start hanging with people and you start doing well and you start feeling poor.

00:25:11.400 You're like on Dan's private jet being like, damn, I need to do a lot better.

00:25:14.400 Yeah.

00:25:15.400 Why do I not have a private jet like this?

00:25:17.400 That's true.

00:25:18.400 It really gets you away from the average person being around these people all the time for sure.

00:25:23.400 Yeah.

00:25:24.400 I think it's good for me though.

00:25:25.400 It's motivated me because I was really comfortable living semi-retired from fighting, not working

00:25:29.400 that hard and started hanging out with him.

00:25:31.400 There's another rich Jewish guy, Derek Moneyberg, doing a little work for him.

00:25:34.400 These guys are just so wealthy and I'm like, I need to step it up a little bit.

00:25:37.400 These guys have so much money.

00:25:39.400 If these guys can do it, why can't I step it up?

00:25:41.400 So I think it's good to see that sometimes.

00:25:42.400 These guys are just doing so well.

00:25:44.400 Yeah.

00:25:45.400 If you're the richest person in a room, you're in the wrong room.

00:25:46.400 Exactly.

00:25:47.400 You want to be around people that are going to motivate you and push you.

00:25:50.400 There's so many ways to make money online now.

00:25:52.400 There's so many different opportunities.

00:25:54.400 You got to stay on your toes at all times.

00:25:56.400 I don't want to get depressed.

00:25:57.400 You do.

00:25:58.400 That happened to me because I had a good fighting career, successful.

00:25:59.400 There's a year or two, but I wasn't happy when I wasn't working hard.

00:26:02.400 COVID hit.

00:26:03.400 I couldn't really do anything.

00:26:04.400 You're not doing anything.

00:26:05.400 As a man, you're not really happy.

00:26:07.400 That's why I started new projects.

00:26:08.400 That's why I'll start a podcast.

00:26:10.400 I'll make this successful.

00:26:11.400 Start new.

00:26:12.400 I think it's men.

00:26:13.400 We always need projects.

00:26:14.400 We're meant to do more.

00:26:15.400 It's not just money you're chasing.

00:26:16.400 It's chasing being good at something.

00:26:18.400 That's how men operate.

00:26:19.400 I've noticed a lot of athletes, they retire.

00:26:21.400 They get really fat.

00:26:22.400 They start doing drugs.

00:26:23.400 They start becoming gambling addicts and stuff.

00:26:25.400 How did you avoid that?

00:26:27.400 Did you get lazy when you first started slowing down?

00:26:30.400 That's a good question.

00:26:31.400 I kept working out.

00:26:32.400 It's when COVID hit.

00:26:33.400 I'm not a depressive person, but that was probably the most depressed I've been because

00:26:36.400 everything got closed down.

00:26:37.400 I had so much energy, no work, no projects.

00:26:40.400 It was tough for a few months.

00:26:42.400 There was a week or so where I started drinking it myself.

00:26:46.400 I was going home drinking at night by myself, and I go, wow, I need to stop this right away.

00:26:49.400 This is not healthy.

00:26:51.400 I cleared out all the alcohol, but I just could see.

00:26:53.400 I understood.

00:26:54.400 This is what could happen to people.

00:26:55.400 I was just so bored.

00:26:56.400 No one was hanging out.

00:26:57.400 I had no job.

00:26:58.400 I wasn't working online.

00:26:59.400 Nothing to do.

00:27:00.400 It's not fun, but I think for me, I just started finding a lot of projects.

00:27:04.400 I started training fighters.

00:27:05.400 I started finding new things to do.

00:27:07.400 You've got to always have goals.

00:27:08.400 Even though I was financially, I want to make a lot more money, but I was in a situation

00:27:11.400 where I financially could have retired if I wanted to live a normal life.

00:27:14.400 But for a year, I'm like, oh, I'm retired.

00:27:16.400 I'm like, this is boring.

00:27:17.400 I need to start working again.

00:27:19.400 I don't think that I'm going to ever be able to operate like that.

00:27:23.400 My dad, for example, he asked me, when are you going to retire?

00:27:26.400 I have a couple of properties now.

00:27:27.400 I could live on the cryptos booming right now.

00:27:31.400 Another reason that Trump is successful.

00:27:32.400 I'm very happy.

00:27:33.400 I wish I had more crypto.

00:27:34.400 Ethereum's at 3,000 right now.

00:27:36.400 Bitcoin's at an all-time high.

00:27:37.400 I need to check the prices.

00:27:38.400 You have some crypto?

00:27:39.400 Not a ton, but I have some.

00:27:40.400 I have more Ethereum than Bitcoin, so that's good to hear.

00:27:42.400 It's Zoom.

00:27:43.400 All coins are going up.

00:27:44.400 Everything's going well.

00:27:46.400 I could, but I don't know what I would do.

00:27:48.400 I think the trick is probably just finding a way to let your work work for you.

00:27:54.400 Instead of you constantly having to slave away where your lifestyle that you want to live

00:28:00.400 peacefully becomes your work.

00:28:03.400 Yeah.

00:28:04.400 I'm going to have it working.

00:28:05.400 Right now, I'm working a lot.

00:28:06.400 I don't want to be working this long forever because I'm doing a lot of stuff in the fight

00:28:09.400 business and launching the podcast.

00:28:10.400 The podcast is way more work than I realized.

00:28:12.400 I'm doing it by myself.

00:28:13.400 You know all the back-end stuff, booking the guests, the editing.

00:28:16.400 I finally just hired someone.

00:28:18.400 This is way more work than I realized I was taking on, but it's fun.

00:28:21.400 I enjoy it.

00:28:22.400 I think in a year, I'll have some more employees.

00:28:24.400 It'll be running itself, but it's fun taking these projects on.

00:28:27.400 Do you know happy retired people?

00:28:28.400 I don't know if I really can think of.

00:28:31.400 Happy retired men?

00:28:32.400 A lot of men die when they retire.

00:28:34.400 Yeah, right?

00:28:35.400 It's funny seeing too, because I was watching Trump's speech about censorship and it clicked

00:28:39.400 in my head.

00:28:40.400 The guy is 78 years old and the way he's speaking, the way like, we need to get rid of the radical

00:28:45.400 lift.

00:28:46.400 He just finished the campaign nonstop, probably got barely any sleep.

00:28:50.400 He doesn't eat that well.

00:28:52.400 He's fighting different wars on every front.

00:28:55.400 He has to meet, like right after he went, he met with Caitlyn Jenner.

00:28:58.400 Putin wants to call him.

00:28:59.400 Biden wants to get lunch.

00:29:00.400 And then he's giving a speech like, this guy is 78 and he's still, this is the way to

00:29:05.400 live.

00:29:06.400 I'm so impressed with his energy.

00:29:07.400 It's insane how much energy that guy has.

00:29:09.400 He didn't age.

00:29:10.400 He looks good.

00:29:11.400 After he didn't look better.

00:29:12.400 He looks good for 78 years old.

00:29:14.400 He doesn't seem senile.

00:29:15.400 Biden at the same thing was completely declining.

00:29:17.400 I would like to do the same.

00:29:18.400 It's also puts into perspective how much time we have as men.

00:29:21.400 I think people have this idea when you get like 50, that's when you should start retiring.

00:29:25.400 But this guy is like well past that.

00:29:27.400 And he's still more active and doing more than most 20 year olds and teenagers.

00:29:32.400 So there's no point in slowing down.

00:29:34.400 What else are you going to do?

00:29:35.400 You can always pivot and do new things.

00:29:36.400 Like I'm doing something like a podcast, totally weird and random.

00:29:38.400 But it's like it's new.

00:29:39.400 But for how new it is, it's already doing good.

00:29:41.400 It's like anything I put energy to, I know will succeed.

00:29:44.400 I'm the type of person, if I put energy to something, it's going to succeed.

00:29:47.400 It's fun taking on new things.

00:29:49.400 I don't want to sit around and do nothing.

00:29:50.400 But what do you do?

00:29:51.400 Go to a beach.

00:29:52.400 That's fun for a couple of days.

00:29:53.400 Then you're depressed.

00:29:54.400 That's it.

00:29:55.400 And then you're fat.

00:29:56.400 If you're not doing anything, you're naturally going to go to vices.

00:30:00.400 Like if that beach thing, there's a week before you start getting drunk every day.

00:30:04.400 No.

00:30:05.400 If I'm not careful, I can slip into that.

00:30:07.400 I can slip into a style that's not good.

00:30:09.400 I used to have problems with, never had drunk problems, but you could dabble or you can dabble.

00:30:13.400 You can fall into womanizing and stuff.

00:30:15.400 This is not healthy and good.

00:30:16.400 You're always going to fall into some sort of distraction because you need to apply yourself

00:30:21.400 somewhere.

00:30:22.400 That's what's interesting.

00:30:23.400 I noticed you took up fighting, you know, a year or so.

00:30:25.400 Go learn and try.

00:30:26.400 That's awesome learning new skills when you're already a successful man.

00:30:28.400 That's one of the hardest things you can do is learn to fight.

00:30:30.400 Yeah.

00:30:31.400 I just trained with this guy, Slim.

00:30:32.400 He's got a fighting guitar at the end of the month.

00:30:34.400 I think it's a Misfits card or something like that.

00:30:37.400 This guy, he started, he picked up boxing when he was 25 and pretty quick.

00:30:41.400 He's like seven and 0.

00:30:42.400 So it's not too late.

00:30:43.400 You know, a lot of guys, Alex Pereira, when he started becoming active in fighting.

00:30:48.400 He fought for a while, but he switched to MMA a couple of years ago.

00:30:51.400 Devastating, destroying people.

00:30:52.400 Well, he was already a world championship kickboxer.

00:30:54.400 But still, I'm really surprised how well, how fast he switched over.

00:30:58.400 But even for kickboxing, did he start 25, 26?

00:31:00.400 I actually don't know that.

00:31:01.400 I would think that's wrong, but I could be totally off on that.

00:31:04.400 It's insane if he does.

00:31:05.400 Yeah, he got in late.

00:31:06.400 Yeah, he may have, man.

00:31:07.400 He's insanely good at the power that guy has.

00:31:09.400 And he's one of the best fighters pound for pound right now, just destroying people.

00:31:12.400 Probably is.

00:31:13.400 I mean, the best light heavyweight, huh?

00:31:16.400 Yeah, currently for sure.

00:31:17.400 Yeah.

00:31:18.400 I mean, he's just destroying people, knocking everyone out.

00:31:20.400 I bet on him a few times.

00:31:21.400 I got some good pays on those.

00:31:23.400 Look at those odds.

00:31:24.400 Like, this guy's going to win.

00:31:25.400 That guy's face got messed up.

00:31:27.400 What did he?

00:31:28.400 Oh, that round tree.

00:31:29.400 That guy, that was a good fight, though.

00:31:31.400 It was a better fight than I thought.

00:31:32.400 Because I bet on Pereira.

00:31:35.400 It was starting to be a close fight.

00:31:36.400 I was a little worried because he was a big favorite.

00:31:38.400 He didn't bet in big favors, but then he knocked him out in the fourth round.

00:31:40.400 Are you up on sports betting?

00:31:42.400 That's becoming so popular with guys now.

00:31:43.400 They love this.

00:31:44.400 See, I'm not a huge gambler, but right now, at the moment, I've done great this year.

00:31:48.400 I don't do huge bets.

00:31:49.400 Because what I do, there was one point where I was doing really well, but then I started

00:31:52.400 over-forcing bets on cards.

00:31:54.400 Now, I just look at the cards, and if I see, because I know the sport really well, sometimes

00:31:58.400 I'll look at it and won't place a single bet.

00:32:00.400 Sometimes I'll look at it and be like, these odds seem awesome.

00:32:02.400 Plus, I get a lot of insight information, you know, tips.

00:32:04.400 I know people.

00:32:05.400 I've seen the guys train.

00:32:06.400 I know the other guys.

00:32:07.400 So I've done great this year.

00:32:09.400 I should be putting more money down, but I'm just not a naturally big gambler.

00:32:11.400 You know, I'm putting out like $500 and stuff.

00:32:13.400 Yeah, winning is winning.

00:32:14.400 But I'm still way up this year.

00:32:16.400 Yeah, when you win, when you gamble and you win, you're like, I should have put more.

00:32:19.400 But then if I start placing more, then I might start losing.

00:32:20.400 And then you lose, and you're like, fuck, I should have never gambled.

00:32:22.400 Yeah, I think overall gambling is such a bad habit.

00:32:24.400 That's why I put, you know, smaller bets.

00:32:26.400 But I've done great this year in gambling.

00:32:28.400 Sometimes it's annoying because I always get the cards right.

00:32:32.400 Every time I predict a card, my calling has been like 95% accurate.

00:32:36.400 I would make so much money sports betting, but I can't because it's wrong.

00:32:40.400 It's super annoying.

00:32:41.400 But I mean, it's protected for a reason.

00:32:43.400 In Islam, is it strongly opposed to gambling?

00:32:46.400 Yeah, gambling is one of the major sins.

00:32:48.400 But sports betting is not.

00:32:49.400 It is.

00:32:50.400 It's in the thing.

00:32:51.400 You just shouldn't do it.

00:32:52.400 It's not really good.

00:32:53.400 It's hard beating the bookies anyways, because you're paying a percentage to play it

00:32:56.400 if people don't realize.

00:32:57.400 That's true.

00:32:58.400 If it's dead even, you're still paying 10-15% just to place the bet.

00:33:01.400 And the more the odds shift, the higher the percentage you pay.

00:33:03.400 A lot of people aren't really aware of that.

00:33:04.400 It's 10-15, but that's really high.

00:33:06.400 Well, let's say if a fight's dead even, they'll usually both be negative 115 or something.

00:33:11.400 So you're paying 15% just to place the bet.

00:33:13.400 And a lot of people aren't even aware of that.

00:33:15.400 They're not realizing that they're paying just to place the bet.

00:33:17.400 So just be the bookie.

00:33:18.400 So the bookie, exactly.

00:33:19.400 And the bookies are pretty good too.

00:33:20.400 So they're good at setting the odds.

00:33:21.400 So the bookie always wins.

00:33:23.400 So what made you start training martial arts?

00:33:25.400 Guys like you.

00:33:26.400 Actually, it's funny because when guys like you started to get into the content world,

00:33:31.400 that's when I got inspired.

00:33:32.400 I think Joe Rogan's responsible for that, for highlighting a lot of MMA fighters.

00:33:36.400 And then seeing them talk about the love of the game, that made me really interested in it.

00:33:40.400 And then I started looking.

00:33:41.400 And also Nate Diaz was also a big fan of him when I was younger.

00:33:44.400 That's so cool.

00:33:45.400 You got to go train with Nate and stuff.

00:33:47.400 You got to go to his place.

00:33:48.400 Such a great dude, right?

00:33:49.400 Yeah, great guy.

00:33:50.400 How's he doing?

00:33:51.400 He's doing really good.

00:33:52.400 I was just with him last week in San Diego.

00:33:54.400 We had some seminars out there hanging out.

00:33:55.400 He's doing great.

00:33:56.400 Yeah, he won that fight against Jorge.

00:33:57.400 It was such a good fight.

00:33:58.400 He sold that arena out.

00:33:59.400 Unfortunately, he couldn't come to that.

00:34:01.400 But that was such a good thing.

00:34:02.400 Your buddy got chased.

00:34:03.400 Neon.

00:34:04.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:05.400 I was running out trying to save him.

00:34:06.400 It looked like I was chasing him.

00:34:07.400 Because I knew those guys might not listen to anyone else.

00:34:09.400 But listen to me.

00:34:10.400 I didn't want poor Neon to get beat up.

00:34:11.400 So when you were chasing, you were trying to protect him?

00:34:13.400 I wasn't going to let him beat him up.

00:34:14.400 But I'm like, it's not like I'm trying to beat this guy up.

00:34:16.400 Because I know they would listen to me, but not anyone else.

00:34:18.400 Because they all respect me.

00:34:19.400 And I'm like, I can't let him beat that guy up.

00:34:20.400 He was a punk.

00:34:21.400 Don't put me wrong.

00:34:22.400 The guy was being a little shit.

00:34:23.400 But I don't think they were actually going to beat him up.

00:34:24.400 But if I was scared, maybe they would.

00:34:25.400 Yeah, I just wanted to scare the shit out of him.

00:34:27.400 Yeah.

00:34:28.400 So it shows me running.

00:34:29.400 I'm like, oh, people don't think I'm going to beat up Neon.

00:34:30.400 And I was just going there.

00:34:31.400 Because I know I'm one of the few people those guys are listening to.

00:34:32.400 I'm like, hey, don't beat this poor guy up.

00:34:33.400 I didn't see you in the video.

00:34:34.400 So I think you beat that.

00:34:35.400 Okay, good, good.

00:34:36.400 I didn't see you.

00:34:37.400 But I mean, let's be real.

00:34:38.400 He kind of deserved that.

00:34:39.400 Yeah, he did deserve that.

00:34:40.400 He deserved to get slapped.

00:34:41.400 Like, he's so disrespectful what he said to Nate.

00:34:43.400 And it's like, he deserved to get slapped.

00:34:44.400 But I didn't want him to actually get hurt.

00:34:46.400 He's like a kid.

00:34:47.400 And he got chewed out.

00:34:48.400 But you know, Mighty Mouse, who's an amazing fighter.

00:34:50.400 There was a clip in the car.

00:34:51.400 And he's just chewing him out, being like, I told you, don't do that.

00:34:53.400 Speaking to him like a child.

00:34:54.400 It's like, bro, grow up.

00:34:55.400 Just don't do childish stuff like that.

00:34:57.400 Yeah, he's got some stuff right.

00:34:59.400 I mean, he's 20 now.

00:35:00.400 So he's not that young.

00:35:02.400 No, it's kind of.

00:35:03.400 He deserves to get slapped for sure.

00:35:04.400 But I was scared those guys were going to hurt him.

00:35:06.400 Yeah, those are a lot of guys.

00:35:07.400 It was like, fucking his whole crew.

00:35:08.400 And some of those guys aren't.

00:35:09.400 They're in the stocking crew.

00:35:11.400 But they're not that close to us.

00:35:12.400 And some of those guys are a little crazy.

00:35:13.400 So I was like, I better help them.

00:35:15.400 Just in case you never know what those guys are going to do.

00:35:17.400 What does Nate have coming up?

00:35:19.400 Nothing signed.

00:35:20.400 It's hard because he's such a big star in name.

00:35:22.400 But it's hard to get something outside the UFC.

00:35:24.400 But the UFC don't pay him as well.

00:35:26.400 I want to see him fight Conor again.

00:35:27.400 Yeah.

00:35:28.400 But I think Diaz and McGregor.

00:35:29.400 That makes the most sense, I think, for both of their careers right now.

00:35:32.400 I don't know if McGregor is really ready to do Michael Chandler or anyone.

00:35:36.400 No.

00:35:37.400 I think he loses.

00:35:38.400 I told Chandler, too, because he was waiting for that fight.

00:35:39.400 I'm like, I don't think Conor is going to fight you.

00:35:41.400 And he's like, no, no.

00:35:42.400 It's set.

00:35:43.400 It's set.

00:35:44.400 And sure enough, he pulled out.

00:35:45.400 I think Conor wants to fight someone like Nate.

00:35:46.400 That's a marquee super fight.

00:35:47.400 Very close.

00:35:48.400 Head to head.

00:35:49.400 I think I can go either way.

00:35:50.400 I think Nate wins.

00:35:51.400 I think Nate wins it.

00:35:52.400 But it's the way he's been training and stuff now versus Conor.

00:35:54.400 But everyone's going to tune in for that.

00:35:56.400 That's a super fight people want to see.

00:35:58.400 Chandler is great.

00:35:59.400 People aren't going to tune in the same way they would for Nate versus Conor.

00:36:02.400 But they both want to get paid.

00:36:04.400 The UFC, you know, hopefully they'll pay them both.

00:36:06.400 You know, I think the last time I saw you was that power slap day.

00:36:09.400 That's right.

00:36:10.400 Yeah.

00:36:11.400 That way I was in front of the list.

00:36:12.400 It was so weird.

00:36:13.400 People don't understand.

00:36:14.400 Can you tell them what happened?

00:36:15.400 Yeah.

00:36:16.400 We were at the power slap thing.

00:36:17.400 And a security guard that I know, they go, we were handed a list of Sneeko.

00:36:20.400 And he was told he wasn't back.

00:36:21.400 So there was a VIP section from everyone else.

00:36:23.400 And all the security, they always treat me great.

00:36:24.400 They let me walk right through.

00:36:25.400 I went to walk through with you and they just stopped me right away.

00:36:28.400 And then I was like, why are you guys being a dick?

00:36:29.400 And one of the guys like privately told me before they literally handed a picture of you

00:36:32.400 and said, don't let this guy in the VIP area.

00:36:34.400 You were the only guy they showed.

00:36:35.400 I'm like, wow, that is weird.

00:36:37.400 I want to figure out.

00:36:38.400 I don't know what that was over.

00:36:39.400 I don't know like what that was about.

00:36:40.400 I don't know who gave those orders, but I trust the guy that told me that.

00:36:43.400 And obviously it was true.

00:36:44.400 The way they freaked out when you tried walking back.

00:36:47.400 They never spoke to me like that.

00:36:49.400 The bounce was always so cool to me.

00:36:50.400 And they were just like, whoa.

00:36:51.400 And I tried walking in with you.

00:36:52.400 It was so weird.

00:36:53.400 Or Osama Bin Laden.

00:36:54.400 It was strange.

00:36:55.400 I'm like, wow, this is weird.

00:36:56.400 I guess my friend wasn't lying when he said that.

00:36:59.400 Could it be a multitude of reasons?

00:37:02.400 Yeah.

00:37:03.400 It's another interesting thing.

00:37:04.400 I remember I picked you up one time.

00:37:05.400 I wanted you to work out with the Bashar brothers because they're fellow Muslims.

00:37:08.400 And I'm like, oh, you guys are good along.

00:37:09.400 I picked you up and you're like, oh, I'm sparring Sean Strickland.

00:37:12.400 I go, wait, wait, what?

00:37:14.400 No, no, no.

00:37:15.400 He's not nice like us.

00:37:16.400 The dude can be a dick.

00:37:18.400 I'm friends with Sean, but he's going to try to hurt you.

00:37:21.400 He's getting more red pills, Sean.

00:37:22.400 I see him talking about Israel more and how we shouldn't fund them.

00:37:24.400 Yeah, I've definitely had some talks with Sean, but those are private.

00:37:26.400 We'll see.

00:37:27.400 We'll see.

00:37:28.400 I had a feeling you played a part in that because I saw him tweet about how much money

00:37:31.400 we're giving away to Sean.

00:37:32.400 I'm like, Jake must have been in his ear.

00:37:34.400 I'm not saying anything.

00:37:35.400 But anyways, you had a lot of courage to spar Sean.

00:37:39.400 This guy's like 230 pounds, way bigger than you, a world champion.

00:37:42.400 That took a lot of courage to go in there.

00:37:44.400 Even a lot of fighters were looking at you being like, are you sure you want to do this?

00:37:47.400 Yeah.

00:37:48.400 And you took a beating like a man.

00:37:50.400 He never put you down.

00:37:51.400 I mean, he beat the crap out of you, but you took it like a man.

00:37:53.400 You never complained.

00:37:54.400 I think you earned a lot of respect from fighters that day.

00:37:56.400 Good guys are like, wow, this kid is tough.

00:37:58.400 He took a beating.

00:37:59.400 He didn't cry about it.

00:38:00.400 He didn't.

00:38:01.400 And you still worked out with the Basha brothers after that.

00:38:03.400 What was that moment like doing that situation?

00:38:05.400 I was a little bit out of it.

00:38:06.400 It was good though.

00:38:07.400 It was good though.

00:38:08.400 It makes you want to keep on training.

00:38:09.400 I think towards the beginning of the year, I was way more focused up.

00:38:11.400 And then the summer came and I started traveling a lot, but I was more, I was really focused

00:38:15.400 on MMA in the beginning of the year.

00:38:16.400 I definitely got to bring it back.

00:38:17.400 I think that that would elicit more respect from people.

00:38:21.400 If I, if I was a more proficient fighter and I also put on some size, I keep saying

00:38:25.400 that, but I get disrespected sometimes.

00:38:27.400 And I don't think it would happen if I had more of that presence.

00:38:30.400 So I'm getting sick of that.

00:38:31.400 I think you're true.

00:38:32.400 Cause I'm very, very rare that people disrespect me because they know, you know, there'll be

00:38:35.400 consequences.

00:38:36.400 Like, I don't know the guy, Mike, Mike Jackson was talking crap about me.

00:38:39.400 I saw he called you a Nazi or something.

00:38:41.400 Yeah.

00:38:42.400 Right.

00:38:43.400 And then we agreed to fight each other on site.

00:38:44.400 You know, he fought, I mean, we both fought in UFC in the same way.

00:38:46.400 You know, I walk in, walk in the gym and I see him there and I'm like, Oh, it's time.

00:38:49.400 Let's go boy.

00:38:50.400 And he starts making excuses.

00:38:51.400 Like, Oh, you know, no, no.

00:38:52.400 I meant like we can fight in Houston instead.

00:38:54.400 I'm like, no bro.

00:38:55.400 We have an agreement.

00:38:56.400 So when I literally starts running around the gym, I caught him, throw him on the ground,

00:39:00.400 start slapping him.

00:39:01.400 I got dragged off.

00:39:02.400 He pressed charges on me, called the cops, pressed charges.

00:39:04.400 Pressing charges.

00:39:05.400 Do you still face those charges?

00:39:06.400 I got the case dismissed, but fighters get in fight gyms pretty often.

00:39:10.400 The fact that he challenged me to a fight and then press charges.

00:39:12.400 That guy's the biggest bitch.

00:39:14.400 I didn't even know that was like, you're allowed to do that.

00:39:17.400 Literally a fight gym.

00:39:18.400 Yeah.

00:39:19.400 It was so ridiculous.

00:39:20.400 But what do you think?

00:39:21.400 I know, I know a lot of people were very critical of Sean Strickland because he went way

00:39:25.400 in the fight where a lot of people were mad at him for going too hard on you.

00:39:28.400 I thought it was a little ridiculous, but I think it was also good that you, you kind

00:39:31.400 of realized that you agreed to spar him.

00:39:32.400 So you, and you, so you kind of got upset about that.

00:39:34.400 I'm not upset about that.

00:39:35.400 You know, and I said this before in a way, in a weird way, I'm grateful because I mean,

00:39:41.400 if there wasn't film that I probably would not be, but it's like the amount of respect

00:39:44.400 that I gained and how that changed people's perception.

00:39:47.400 Same thing for Rabbi Schmulli.

00:39:48.400 Like I'm grateful because he made himself look bad to help me look good.

00:39:53.400 And in a way that conversation that was supposed to happen.

00:39:55.400 I like having conversations like that because then you got to test where your abilities are

00:39:58.400 at as a man.

00:39:59.400 No, you showed, you know, you want to do it often, but you showed you have courage.

00:40:02.400 People ask me, were you mad when Sean did that?

00:40:04.400 And I go a little bit, but I wasn't that mad because I did tell you he was going to

00:40:08.400 try to hurt you.

00:40:09.400 Yeah.

00:40:10.400 And I knew that it was supposed to happen.

00:40:11.400 Yeah.

00:40:12.400 And it helped me face something that I would never be able to face without that.

00:40:14.400 Like he gave me something in a way, like when am I else am I going to be able to

00:40:16.400 fight a UFC champion, you know, going full on and know that I did that.

00:40:20.400 So now I have something that other people don't have.

00:40:22.400 Yeah.

00:40:23.400 You took a lot of hard shots, you know, and the people don't know what they're going

00:40:26.400 to be like in that scenario.

00:40:27.400 Now I know I have that capability and knowledge.

00:40:29.400 I want to see how Sean's doing.

00:40:31.400 You know, I liked him before, even before that sparring.

00:40:34.400 I liked him.

00:40:35.400 Speaking about wokeness, I think it's really good.

00:40:37.400 Yeah.

00:40:38.400 I'm roasting the Canadian reporter, all that stuff.

00:40:39.400 That's stuff I really like.

00:40:40.400 And yeah, I just hope he's doing well.

00:40:43.400 No, I think he's doing good.

00:40:44.400 I've been trying to get my podcast.

00:40:45.400 I think we'll get on at some point, but he's like hard to get on a podcast.

00:40:48.400 But I'll try to connect you guys.

00:40:49.400 See if he wants to not spar you again, but like train you.

00:40:52.400 He said he would.

00:40:53.400 Sean Strickland said he did get my spar when he was going to the interview.

00:40:55.400 So I'll remind him when I see him.

00:40:56.400 He owes me.

00:40:57.400 He does owe you an interview.

00:40:58.400 You're right.

00:40:59.400 He did agree to that.

00:41:00.400 So he does owe you an interview.

00:41:01.400 So I'll try to, I'll tell him when I see him.

00:41:03.400 And it would be good.

00:41:04.400 I mean, there's a good buildup to the story and I respect the guy.

00:41:06.400 Yeah.

00:41:07.400 But a lot of fighters are really critical of Sean for that.

00:41:09.400 Oh, they were.

00:41:10.400 It's too much.

00:41:11.400 And I think that it's necessary that we talk because every time I talk to someone new,

00:41:14.400 they're like, Sean, what an asshole.

00:41:15.400 What a fucking dude.

00:41:16.400 Like everyone always says that.

00:41:17.400 And I don't think that he's a bad guy.

00:41:19.400 No.

00:41:20.400 And that was why I kind of had to stick up with Sean a little bit.

00:41:22.400 Cause it's like, well, I did, I did tell you he's going to try to hurt you.

00:41:25.400 And he said, people told you that too, right?

00:41:26.400 He has a reputation.

00:41:27.400 Everyone was telling you the gym that day.

00:41:28.400 Like, Hey bro, he's going to hurt you.

00:41:29.400 He's going to hurt you.

00:41:30.400 Everybody says that.

00:41:31.400 So I knew what I was stepping into.

00:41:32.400 So I want to see him kind of clear that.

00:41:34.400 I think the reason he's avoiding it is cause like, he's like, Oh fuck.

00:41:36.400 Why'd I do that?

00:41:37.400 I think he regrets it a bit.

00:41:39.400 He's probably like, Oh, that's fucking.

00:41:40.400 I don't think he minds being the bad guy.

00:41:41.400 I think he likes being the bad guy.

00:41:43.400 Oh, okay.

00:41:44.400 I wouldn't like that.

00:41:45.400 I wouldn't like it.

00:41:46.400 I think he enjoys being the bad guy.

00:41:47.400 Really?

00:41:48.400 Yeah.

00:41:49.400 I don't think you realize you had such a bad concussion.

00:41:50.400 Cause then you go up to Nate and spar with Nate.

00:41:51.400 So obviously it was going light with you, but you went and spar Nate a couple of days later.

00:41:54.400 I spar Nate two days later.

00:41:55.400 And then I went back to Miami and then all the, everyone in the gym is like, you know,

00:41:58.400 we got to work on it.

00:41:59.400 You took so many shots and they're like, let's do defensive drills.

00:42:01.400 And so I'm here covering up and they're just hitting.

00:42:03.400 And I like, I did a drill where I'm supposed to catch punches.

00:42:05.400 And after that drill, that's what I was like, all right, not have a concussion.

00:42:08.400 It's like, you should not have been sparring Nate Diaz after that.

00:42:10.400 But you also can't say no if Nate Diaz is like, you want to spar.

00:42:13.400 They said in the gym, this coach is like, no, you have to do three rounds.

00:42:15.400 I'm like, I'll do one.

00:42:16.400 I just spar Sean.

00:42:17.400 Nope.

00:42:18.400 No, you have to go to the gym.

00:42:19.400 Where's the gym.

00:42:20.400 So I did it.

00:42:21.400 Gym rules.

00:42:22.400 If you get, you know, there's rules that you got to do certain rounds and stuff.

00:42:24.400 I think that's why our team was successful.

00:42:26.400 But they didn't want to do it on camera.

00:42:27.400 Like he said, they cut the camera off.

00:42:29.400 So, you know, he doesn't like filming a lot of stuff, but I'm sure he was not, not,

00:42:32.400 not, not nearest me and Sean.

00:42:33.400 I'm sure he hit you a little bit, but it was like, come on.

00:42:36.400 Yeah.

00:42:37.400 Playing around.

00:42:38.400 But yeah, Nate's a phenomenal boxer and such a good dude.

00:42:40.400 He is.

00:42:41.400 He can, I don't know how his stamina is like that.

00:42:43.400 This is like, some of these guys are freaks in nature, like Trump at 78.

00:42:46.400 He, he isn't, I think Dana White was just on a podcast talking about how Trump doesn't

00:42:51.400 even drink water.

00:42:52.400 He's just in Coca-Cola.

00:42:53.400 I can, I can imagine.

00:42:54.400 I've never seen him drink water.

00:42:55.400 He's a soda guy, burger, milkshakes, American hot dogs.

00:42:58.400 He likes to eat golf course food.

00:43:00.400 Yeah.

00:43:01.400 But he's a tank.

00:43:02.400 He's still up at 78 doing all this stuff.

00:43:03.400 Nate Diaz is like, you know, he smokes and he parties and stuff.

00:43:06.400 People know this stuff.

00:43:07.400 It's public.

00:43:08.400 But he still has some of the best conditioning I've seen of a fighter, especially of his age.

00:43:11.400 Like some people are just built different.

00:43:13.400 Well, Nate, this weekend I tell the story.

00:43:14.400 He's like, the reason I got tough is one night where the first time in Vegas, he was, he

00:43:17.400 was, I don't know who he was, like 17 or something.

00:43:19.400 We were supposed to train in the morning.

00:43:20.400 We went out and just drank all night.

00:43:21.400 And Nate's like, Oh cool.

00:43:22.400 We're not, we're not training tomorrow.

00:43:23.400 And all of a sudden I'm waking him up in the morning.

00:43:25.400 Like we're training.

00:43:26.400 And he was, he was just so hung over.

00:43:28.400 And then we went to the gym and just mob people up.

00:43:30.400 And he's like, he's like, after that, I go, well, if Jake's going to make me train,

00:43:32.400 that means I can drink and still go train the next day.

00:43:35.400 I've been friends with him since like 16.

00:43:37.400 Again, just such a good, honest, like loyal, like he's like a brother to me, basically.

00:43:41.400 Yeah.

00:43:42.400 You know, a lot of these guys for a long time, I forget that.

00:43:44.400 Nick, Nate.

00:43:45.400 Yeah.

00:43:46.400 Like we all came up training together, which is unusual in fighting.

00:43:47.400 Usually everyone like switches to power teams, but we were like him and Gil Melendez.

00:43:51.400 We were all like teenagers together coming up all at the same gym, just young, broke,

00:43:55.400 poor, poor, angry kids with nothing.

00:43:57.400 We all, we all taught each other and succeeded.

00:43:59.400 It's like we helped coach each other.

00:44:01.400 And luckily we've been able to keep our brotherhood all the years.

00:44:03.400 No falling outs.

00:44:04.400 It just, it's rare.

00:44:05.400 I'm like, that's why I'm talking.

00:44:06.400 That's why I was making fun of your industry.

00:44:07.400 Cause everyone's always talking to each other.

00:44:09.400 Like we would never do stuff like that.

00:44:11.400 So it's so weird seeing that.

00:44:12.400 Like someone talked, I had people come up and like talk shit about Nate and then want

00:44:15.400 a picture with me or something.

00:44:16.400 It's like, get the fuck away from me.

00:44:17.400 You think you can insult my friend and get a picture with me?

00:44:19.400 It's like, I don't roll that way.

00:44:20.400 Like we don't, that's not how we are in our world.

00:44:22.400 So it's just so different.

00:44:23.400 It's a completely different world.

00:44:24.400 Very foreign.

00:44:25.400 And it's not even just like people of my generation, it's like older people.

00:44:28.400 It's so commonplace.

00:44:29.400 Now I've been, I've had so many people turn on me or like, it's just, and I think

00:44:35.400 especially politics aside, I think, you know, if you're friends in real life, like that

00:44:39.400 should be paramount.

00:44:40.400 Dude, friendships is so important in loyalty, but loyalty is a two way street.

00:44:43.400 So people aren't showing it back to you.

00:44:45.400 Then it's like, they're just taking from you.

00:44:47.400 I've been so fortunate.

00:44:48.400 I didn't realize how good the fight world was where we're loyal to each other.

00:44:50.400 We always helped each other out.

00:44:52.400 I would help Nick train for a fight, but I knew afterwards I could call him and he'd

00:44:55.400 help me train for a fight.

00:44:56.400 Other guys I would help train for a fight.

00:44:58.400 And then I'd call him afterwards, like, Oh, I'm not training right now.

00:45:01.400 That's just never how it was in our crew.

00:45:02.400 We were always helping each other, which is why we were successful.

00:45:04.400 You need, you need people around you to help you elevate and grow.

00:45:07.400 Yeah.

00:45:08.400 You need to have that crew of people.

00:45:10.400 That's what I'm looking for.

00:45:11.400 And, um, in Florida, I'm wondering where to go.

00:45:14.400 I was thinking, I liked being back in New York.

00:45:16.400 It was good to be because I have my OG friends.

00:45:18.400 You know, I don't, it was every time I go back to New York, I'm like, Oh yeah, I have

00:45:21.400 like real friends.

00:45:22.400 I don't have these industry streamer friends.

00:45:23.400 These people would never switch on me to have my back.

00:45:25.400 I have theirs.

00:45:26.400 And it was just simple things like bro code.

00:45:29.400 Like you don't even need to discuss that.

00:45:30.400 It's just, it's understood with a streamer friend or an influencer friend.

00:45:34.400 You always, you have to look at them.

00:45:35.400 Like they're, they're going to be, even when you give them information, you have to

00:45:38.400 care for what you say.

00:45:39.400 They're downloading that information ready to like, they're like, Oh, this is a clip.

00:45:43.400 But like you, I know I could share prior information from that's what you had clicked

00:45:46.400 right away.

00:45:47.400 I'm going to read people like, Oh, this is a good dude.

00:45:48.400 That's why I was so confused all the hate you got.

00:45:50.400 I could just read people like, Oh, this is a good, genuine, honest dude.

00:45:53.400 What do you think it comes from, you know, from your perspective?

00:45:56.400 The loyalty or the fakeness?

00:45:58.400 Yeah.

00:45:59.400 Why do so many people turn on me like that?

00:46:01.400 I think they're just so out for themselves.

00:46:03.400 They do whatever's trendy.

00:46:04.400 Yeah.

00:46:05.400 No, I was trying to figure out too.

00:46:06.400 It was weird trying to turn on you.

00:46:07.400 That's what I was thinking.

00:46:08.400 Cause you always are so loyal to people.

00:46:09.400 And I see them turn on you and even, well, you and Nick have a weird relationship with Nick

00:46:13.400 loves you, I think, but you guys like battle sometimes, but it's like, but I think he

00:46:16.400 still does like you a lot, but it's just weird.

00:46:18.400 You're always fighting with these and some of these guys like fully turning on you.

00:46:21.400 It's weird.

00:46:22.400 I think maybe they're, maybe they're jealous.

00:46:23.400 You've been so successful without a YouTube and stuff.

00:46:25.400 It could be that.

00:46:26.400 And I think it's also what I talk about.

00:46:28.400 You know, if you speak about God and you speak about it, like I talk about Islam a lot.

00:46:32.400 I think I really, that's off putting to people.

00:46:34.400 So you're receptive to it.

00:46:35.400 Like you, cause you, you went to the Majid and you're, you're open to it.

00:46:38.400 That's actually interesting.

00:46:39.400 I think it was the day after you, you sparred Sean Strickland.

00:46:42.400 No, the same day.

00:46:43.400 Yeah.

00:46:44.400 Right after you invited me to mosque.

00:46:45.400 And at first I'm like, Oh, I'm not Muslim.

00:46:46.400 I can't come.

00:46:47.400 And you're like, no bro, he's come.

00:46:48.400 You can, you can come in.

00:46:49.400 And I'm just like, I was a little nervous to go.

00:46:50.400 And I went there and I was treated so good despite not being a Muslim.

00:46:53.400 I was like, wow, this is cool.

00:46:54.400 Everyone's like a friendly, so nice, respectful.

00:46:56.400 There were several fighters that didn't know were Muslims from the gym that were in there.

00:46:59.400 We all prayed together.

00:47:00.400 They were okay.

00:47:01.400 We might not be a Muslim.

00:47:02.400 Everyone was so friendly after I'm like, okay.

00:47:04.400 That's why I don't know why people shouldn't Islam.

00:47:06.400 I've always been treated so good by Muslims.

00:47:08.400 I've been to some of those countries and of course there's bad Muslims.

00:47:11.400 There's bad of everybody.

00:47:12.400 But as a whole, I've had great relationships with Muslims.

00:47:15.400 I don't, I don't like all this shitting on Islam stuff I see.

00:47:18.400 Yeah.

00:47:19.400 There's so much propaganda.

00:47:20.400 There's so many people that think it's still a terrorist religion.

00:47:23.400 And people have this negative idea from, from years and years of bad press.

00:47:28.400 But I know, I think that's a big reason too.

00:47:30.400 A lot of the people that have, that have turned on me, a lot of it, it didn't happen

00:47:34.400 before I was Muslim.

00:47:35.400 When I was like a degenerate and I was drinking stuff, no one, like everyone's fine.

00:47:39.400 They don't, they don't get like, they don't, your worldview doesn't offend them at all.

00:47:43.400 They're like, okay, he does what he does.

00:47:45.400 Now I'm a Muslim and I speak about it and I try to encourage.

00:47:48.400 And I think people think that I, I put out this idea that I'm better or like I'm morally

00:47:52.400 better.

00:47:53.400 I'm not.

00:47:54.400 I've never got that attitude from you.

00:47:55.400 But when you speak about Islam and you're against it, I think people, it comes off that

00:47:58.400 way.

00:47:59.400 Because your worldview challenges what they do.

00:48:01.400 You know, the gambling stuff or the drinking or the partying or the porn, stuff like that.

00:48:06.400 It makes them reflect.

00:48:08.400 And I think they, they get upset about their own decisions.

00:48:10.400 Yeah.

00:48:11.400 I've seen some of these guys like try to give you drinks.

00:48:12.400 I feel like they're trying to do it to like set you up.

00:48:14.400 You don't take drinks, of course.

00:48:15.400 But I feel like they're trying to give you a drink and like record it to be like,

00:48:17.400 Oh, I caught him drinking and stuff like that.

00:48:18.400 Yeah.

00:48:19.400 So many, that's happened with influencers.

00:48:20.400 You can just feel these guys like, you can just feel these guys trying to set you up.

00:48:23.400 Yeah.

00:48:24.400 I was at a, I was at a club after a fight and I shouldn't be there or whatever, but it

00:48:27.400 was the U.S.

00:48:28.400 A lot of the fighters were there.

00:48:29.400 I think it was right after Sugar Sean won.

00:48:30.400 So many influencers were there.

00:48:31.400 Oh yeah.

00:48:32.400 And then all these like, Oh look, bring the girl here.

00:48:35.400 Like, Oh, here's a drink.

00:48:36.400 And then like, you know, I would be like dancing or something or like holding a cup with water.

00:48:40.400 Yeah.

00:48:41.400 But you still find to dance with girls and stuff.

00:48:43.400 It's not like you can't do that as a Muslim.

00:48:45.400 You're not supposed to.

00:48:46.400 You're not supposed to.

00:48:47.400 Yeah.

00:48:48.400 Oops.

00:48:49.400 You're not supposed to.

00:48:50.400 I mean, there's levels of sin.

00:48:51.400 That's not the end of the world.

00:48:52.400 But yeah, you're not supposed to do that.

00:48:53.400 But I think, yeah, you look at it too.

00:48:54.400 There's different levels of sin.

00:48:55.400 Are you trying to be a good person?

00:48:56.400 That's the most, that's my Muslim friends tell me at least.

00:48:58.400 It's like, are you at least making effort?

00:49:00.400 That's more important.

00:49:01.400 God will view things at different, different levels.

00:49:03.400 You know?

00:49:04.400 Yeah.

00:49:05.400 Well, I mean, I think most Muslims don't understand how it is to be public, especially because I'm

00:49:08.400 new to it.

00:49:09.400 They don't know what it's like to be under screw.

00:49:11.400 And he'd like when there was this one dude who started saying that I slept with his assistant

00:49:15.400 and all this stuff, I had people like era social people that think people are invested

00:49:19.400 in the streaming world so much.

00:49:20.400 They're like, why didn't you tell us?

00:49:21.400 Why didn't you tell us?

00:49:22.400 Like, do you think that you're entitled to, for me to tell you like what girls are

00:49:26.400 interacting with?

00:49:27.400 Some people are like, oh, look, I just took a shit.

00:49:28.400 You want me to update you with everything?

00:49:30.400 Oh, it's so weird, right?

00:49:31.400 I think Muslims have this false idea that you're fraudulent if you don't reveal everything.

00:49:35.400 But nobody does.

00:49:36.400 That should be private.

00:49:37.400 Exactly.

00:49:38.400 No one needs to know who you're sleeping with or you are.

00:49:39.400 It's not their business.

00:49:40.400 It's not their business.

00:49:41.400 Because you're a fan of what I do does not mean you're entitled to know every detail

00:49:44.400 about my life.

00:49:45.400 And it's not about being fraudulent.

00:49:46.400 There's a difference between promoting something or sinning and repenting, right?

00:49:53.400 I think a lot of influencers think that, oh, I'm real because I show all my sins.

00:49:57.400 No, we shouldn't be encouraging our audience to fall into sin.

00:50:00.400 It's a very simple concept that they don't get.

00:50:02.400 No, I agree.

00:50:03.400 I think, you know, we should do our, you know, we're all going to sin occasionally, but we

00:50:06.400 should do our best to the best we can.

00:50:08.400 And also, we should keep large parts for life private.

00:50:10.400 There's a lot of things I don't share.

00:50:11.400 People don't need to know every aspect about my life.

00:50:13.400 No, they don't.

00:50:14.400 And it doesn't help.

00:50:15.400 I mean, it's not even because content is not just about like showing your life.

00:50:17.400 It's about putting a message out there.

00:50:19.400 It's about making content.

00:50:20.400 It's about entertaining.

00:50:21.400 It's not just like a mirror.

00:50:22.400 Yeah.

00:50:23.400 You know, you're not just showing people when you sleep and when you go to the bathroom.

00:50:25.400 No, exactly.

00:50:26.400 And I know I do things I shouldn't do sometimes.

00:50:28.400 So I'm not going to lecture other people to do it.

00:50:30.400 But like, oh, I know I shouldn't drink very often.

00:50:31.400 But, you know, occasionally I do.

00:50:33.400 Sometimes I'll do.

00:50:34.400 I haven't done drugs in a while, luckily.

00:50:35.400 But there's been times where I've fucked up and done drugs.

00:50:37.400 It's like sometimes you make mistakes in life.

00:50:38.400 Which everybody understands.

00:50:39.400 Like you drink sometimes, but you're not going to tell people you should drink.

00:50:42.400 You know that it's not good for you.

00:50:43.400 No, exactly.

00:50:44.400 It's very simple.

00:50:45.400 But what I've also realized is that Muslims are held to a different standard than every

00:50:49.400 other religion.

00:50:50.400 Right?

00:50:51.400 You see people call me a fake Muslim, right?

00:50:52.400 Yeah.

00:50:53.400 No one ever gets called a fake Christian.

00:50:54.400 Have you noticed that?

00:50:55.400 No one ever gets called a fake Hindu.

00:50:56.400 When does Rabbi Shmoli get called a fake Jew?

00:50:58.400 You make a great point.

00:50:59.400 Rabbi Shmoli, even though he sells dildos with his daughter, no one says you're a fake Jew.

00:51:02.400 Even though there's Christians that do cocaine and party all the time.

00:51:06.400 They wear the costume.

00:51:07.400 They kill people.

00:51:08.400 And no one ever calls them fake.

00:51:09.400 Right?

00:51:10.400 As long as they say Christ is king, you're still a Christian.

00:51:11.400 They're saved.

00:51:12.400 But Muslims, I don't know, people have this perception that you need to be perfect just

00:51:15.400 because they're Muslim.

00:51:16.400 But that's not…

00:51:17.400 No human is perfect.

00:51:18.400 No, it's been heavily pushed against in the US.

00:51:20.400 But it's so similar to Christianity.

00:51:22.400 You know, they both look at Christ.

00:51:23.400 One is the Son of God.

00:51:24.400 One is their top prophet.

00:51:26.400 It's like they both believe in one God.

00:51:27.400 In my opinion, the same God.

00:51:29.400 Some people argue it's not.

00:51:30.400 It is.

00:51:31.400 It's the same thing.

00:51:32.400 Allah means God in Arabic.

00:51:33.400 It's the same thing.

00:51:34.400 I know some Christians get mad when you say that.

00:51:35.400 But to me, it feels like it's the same God.

00:51:36.400 It literally is.

00:51:37.400 The religions seem very similar to me.

00:51:38.400 I feel like they've been intentionally divided.

00:51:40.400 It's trying to divide.

00:51:42.400 I mean, I tried for a while to do the, like a Christian-Muslim bridge.

00:51:46.400 It's just like when you do that and they're in the same place, all the bickering is just,

00:51:49.400 there's so much.

00:51:50.400 I think now that the election has happened, things have cooled down.

00:51:53.400 It was getting really tense before the election.

00:51:55.400 I think now, Trump's president, it's like we can breathe a bit, you know?

00:51:58.400 You know, people should be like, like I said, you're not telling them, hey, convert to Muslim,

00:52:01.400 or if they ask, you will, but there's no reason for them to attack you for being Muslim,

00:52:04.400 in my opinion.

00:52:05.400 And, you know, I fell for the propaganda a little bit when I was young.

00:52:08.400 9-11, it was pushed so heavy.

00:52:09.400 But then I made Muslim friends, you know?

00:52:11.400 And I realized, like, how, like, some of my most loyal friends,

00:52:14.400 and they're also a lot bigger as a whole of huge family networks.

00:52:17.400 Like, you know, in Afghanistan, they all have their families.

00:52:20.400 They all stay together.

00:52:21.400 And the West is losing that.

00:52:22.400 We don't have the family connections a lot of these other countries have.

00:52:25.400 And I think that's a big part of the problem of probably why the woke shit and stuff's pushing in.

00:52:28.400 The woke shit is, I mean, it's going to, it's going one way.

00:52:34.400 It's about to swing the other way for a while.

00:52:36.400 I think we got a good, I'm optimistic about the future.

00:52:38.400 The woke stuff's changed a lot already.

00:52:40.400 Because when I first, you know, what, four or five years ago on Twitter,

00:52:42.400 my stuff was so controversial.

00:52:44.400 Now it's not anymore.

00:52:45.400 It's normalized.

00:52:46.400 Yeah, like, because I was one of the earliest people to push against some of the trans nonsense.

00:52:49.400 And I used to get, like, death threats for that.

00:52:51.400 Serious hate.

00:52:52.400 People would be, like, they're scared to like my tweets.

00:52:54.400 Now that's fully mainstream.

00:52:55.400 It's so normal to make fun of LGBT and transgender.

00:52:58.400 Yeah, right.

00:52:59.400 I remember the first time I, like, mocked the Gay Pride Month.

00:53:01.400 All hate.

00:53:02.400 Now everyone's doing it.

00:53:03.400 Everyone does it.

00:53:04.400 And that was, like, three years ago, I think, the first time I mocked Pride Pride.

00:53:06.400 Three or four years ago, the first time I mocked the Pride Month.

00:53:08.400 Trump deserves a lot of credit for getting rid of that, the wokeness.

00:53:11.400 And for making people distrust the media.

00:53:13.400 And for getting rid of cancel culture.

00:53:14.400 Because look, the guy has felonies.

00:53:15.400 People call him a rapist.

00:53:16.400 And people just don't care.

00:53:18.400 Like, whatever.

00:53:19.400 Like, people really don't care anymore.

00:53:21.400 Also, I have to give credit, even though, like, the back and forth with Nick, whatever.

00:53:24.400 But your body, my choice, I think is the funniest tweet.

00:53:27.400 Such a banger tweet.

00:53:28.400 That's one of the times you see someone say, I wish I wrote that tweet.

00:53:31.400 I wish I wrote that tweet.

00:53:32.400 I wish I wrote that tweet.

00:53:33.400 That was such a banger.

00:53:34.400 10 out of 10.

00:53:35.400 I know.

00:53:36.400 And now it's like, people in school, you get, like, kids who are just like, you're, like,

00:53:39.400 they're reclaiming that.

00:53:40.400 Because boys are never going to be able to resonate with the left idea of what masculinity

00:53:44.400 is.

00:53:45.400 So let's switch back to the old YouTube days.

00:53:47.400 Because I never really followed YouTube.

00:53:48.400 That was, like, I was too old for that generation.

00:53:50.400 But I know a lot of the new kids you read, they want to become a YouTuber instead of movie star.

00:53:53.400 So I know you got in there.

00:53:54.400 What was the main content you were pushing?

00:53:56.400 I mean, I think the most defining thing was, I mean, I did everything.

00:53:59.400 I was doing street interviews, short films, documentary stuff.

00:54:02.400 Even some funny videos too, comedy stuff.

00:54:04.400 But I think the most defining things were the short films.

00:54:07.400 The well-edited videos were, because I was a proficient editor.

00:54:10.400 Yeah.

00:54:11.400 I was, I know how to do behind the scenes as well as I know how to be in front of the camera.

00:54:14.400 That's the stuff that I want people to see and that I want to get back into.

00:54:17.400 When I'm done streaming, I want to go into documentaries again.

00:54:20.400 Like the one, I don't know if you saw my Bosnia documentary.

00:54:22.400 I don't know if I should watch that.

00:54:23.400 Yeah, that one is so cool.

00:54:24.400 Yeah.

00:54:25.400 I highly recommend people check it.

00:54:26.400 It's called Letter from Bosnia.

00:54:27.400 It's pinned on my Twitter.

00:54:28.400 You know, that's where people can see it.

00:54:30.400 But that's the type of stuff that I think, you know, describes what I was doing on YouTube.

00:54:33.400 Yeah.

00:54:34.400 So you were doing like completely complex stuff at a young age.

00:54:36.400 Yeah.

00:54:37.400 Pretty, pretty much.

00:54:38.400 It was different than YouTube content.

00:54:39.400 YouTube content is, well, for when people want to be YouTubers, they want to do like fun

00:54:43.400 Mr. Beast videos, apples and pools and, you know.

00:54:45.400 They just really want to be famous, which can be fun sometimes.

00:54:47.400 Yeah.

00:54:48.400 Just stupid stuff.

00:54:49.400 I don't recommend it.

00:54:50.400 If anyone's watching this and want to be famous, I don't recommend that pursuit.

00:54:52.400 I think it makes a lot of people go crazy.

00:54:54.400 I don't think a lot of people can handle it.

00:54:55.400 I think it's a lot of mental stress.

00:54:56.400 Regardless of what people think about how easy this job is, I don't think it's a

00:55:00.400 pursuit that's worth it.

00:55:01.400 It's just not that easy.

00:55:02.400 Like I said, streaming, it's a lot of work streaming all day.

00:55:04.400 And it's like, yeah, you get some fame that way.

00:55:06.400 But some of these guys just make clowns of themselves.

00:55:08.400 Like the guy we were talking about earlier, like Fauci.

00:55:09.400 Some of these guys just make fools of themselves.

00:55:11.400 Another guy that got chased by Nate's crew.

00:55:13.400 What's the guy's name?

00:55:14.400 These guys just make clowns of themselves.

00:55:16.400 Yeah.

00:55:17.400 What do you get?

00:55:18.400 You get to take some pictures with people.

00:55:19.400 At the end of the day, you're alone in your house.

00:55:21.400 And then what really matters is the real relationships.

00:55:23.400 These are like meaningless things.

00:55:24.400 People take a picture of you in public that's not anything substantial.

00:55:27.400 It just gives you a little dopamine high when you're out.

00:55:30.400 Yeah.

00:55:31.400 I think these guys are not chasing real moments.

00:55:32.400 They're just chasing fame.

00:55:33.400 And that's why they'll sell you under because they only care about fame, not real long relationships.

00:55:37.400 I have so many friends that have had 20, 30 years.

00:55:39.400 Those are important relationships in life.

00:55:41.400 That's what's going to have your back when you really need it.

00:55:43.400 And that's what, yeah.

00:55:44.400 I know in life you have ups and downs.

00:55:46.400 If you have it down, I know my friends are still going to be there.

00:55:48.400 And I know other guys that have gotten famous, they have it down and no one was there for

00:55:52.400 them anymore because they've been scumbags.

00:55:54.400 There's a guy, a perfect example of this is Aiden Ross because he's one of the most influential

00:55:58.400 streamers.

00:55:59.400 He paved the way for a lot of people.

00:56:00.400 He kind of created the scene in a lot of ways.

00:56:02.400 And he's gone up and down with cancel culture.

00:56:04.400 He says that there was only two genders.

00:56:06.400 He's been a Trump supporter.

00:56:07.400 And then all those people that benefited from him, they disappear when he's down.

00:56:11.400 Yep.

00:56:12.400 Like they're only there when it benefits them.

00:56:14.400 And the people that he thought were his friends, they're gone when he really needs them.

00:56:18.400 And that's when friendship is really tested.

00:56:20.400 That's when you need friends or something really bad happens in your life.

00:56:22.400 That's when you need them.

00:56:23.400 All those guys are gone.

00:56:24.400 All those guys are gone.

00:56:25.400 Remember when those guys you called, when you need them, don't call you back.

00:56:27.400 Cut those people out of your life.

00:56:28.400 That's what we need to realize.

00:56:29.400 Loyalty is a two way street.

00:56:30.400 Don't be loyal to scumbags that aren't loyal to you.

00:56:33.400 And that's the type of things that will keep you up at night.

00:56:35.400 You're like, these people are only there because they wanted a benefit from me.

00:56:38.400 I learned that a while ago.

00:56:39.400 I started paying attention.

00:56:40.400 I was always so loyal.

00:56:41.400 That was a fault of mine.

00:56:42.400 So loyal, so loyal.

00:56:43.400 Then you realize people are stabbing you in the back.

00:56:45.400 And I'm like, wait, why am I being loyal to this guy that's just using me?

00:56:48.400 So once I've learned that, life gets way better.

00:56:50.400 And you just keep your circle small.

00:56:51.400 So sometimes you think if you have a pure heart or good heart, you think that people

00:56:56.400 will reciprocate your loyalty.

00:56:57.400 Like if I show loyalty, I'll get it back.

00:56:58.400 You know, you need to see it.

00:56:59.400 You can't just expect them to do a favor for you just because you did a favor of them.

00:57:03.400 Like they're only going to do it if they actually value who you are.

00:57:06.400 Exactly.

00:57:07.400 And people realize too, it's not like you're trading favors.

00:57:08.400 You just always try to help your friends.

00:57:10.400 And it's not like an exact keeping track, but his friends need help.

00:57:12.400 Always try to help them.

00:57:13.400 But if you call them one time and all of a sudden they don't, that's when you're like,

00:57:16.400 Oh, fuck this guy.

00:57:17.400 So yeah, don't, don't try to be famous.

00:57:21.400 No, just be authentic.

00:57:22.400 We're trying to be famous.

00:57:23.400 Like be authentic.

00:57:24.400 Cause there's just so much fake people.

00:57:25.400 If you're authentic and you're trying and you're making, make stuff that's good content

00:57:29.400 and it can go.

00:57:30.400 If you're making good stuff and different, everyone's trying to copy the same thing.

00:57:32.400 And it's always, the trends are always changing.

00:57:33.400 So if you're trying to copy what's popular now, probably won't be popular in two years.

00:57:36.400 And a lot of the famous fake, you know, all these streamers view bot their streamer.

00:57:40.400 They don't have any live viewers.

00:57:41.400 I didn't realize that a lot of people tell me people like, Oh, you should buy views to your YouTube.

00:57:45.400 And stuff like five views to my YouTube.

00:57:47.400 Why would I do that?

00:57:48.400 Like, I guess to get sponsors, but I didn't realize people are doing that.

00:57:51.400 It creates the podcast on a fake atmosphere and it's not long lasting, but every single

00:57:56.400 one of these streamers view bots.

00:57:58.400 Someone was telling me that.

00:57:59.400 I didn't realize that.

00:58:00.400 It was crazy.

00:58:01.400 I've never have, but I never will.

00:58:02.400 No, I won't either.

00:58:03.400 People tell me, Oh, you have to do that.

00:58:04.400 There's everyone's doing it.

00:58:05.400 I'm like, no, that's lame.

00:58:06.400 I'm not doing that.

00:58:07.400 And it's like, there's really 60,000 people watching us sleep.

00:58:10.400 They'll be sleeping on stream snoring for 10 hours and there's 60,000 people.

00:58:14.400 Like it's, it's ridiculous.

00:58:15.400 Yeah.

00:58:16.400 And their, their tweet promoting the stream has no likes, but then they have 30, like

00:58:19.400 there's nothing genuine about it, but it just boosts your self esteem.

00:58:23.400 That's the proof of people.

00:58:24.400 And they're not even really doing it for sponsors.

00:58:25.400 Cause most of the streams don't get sponsors.

00:58:27.400 They just view bot because it boosts their self esteem and it makes them feel good about

00:58:31.400 themselves.

00:58:32.400 Instagram is the same.

00:58:33.400 I have a friend that has an agency that sells fake followers.

00:58:35.400 I guess a lot of big celebrities do it too.

00:58:37.400 Oh yeah.

00:58:38.400 Miami is filled with these people.

00:58:39.400 They're the real celebrities even.

00:58:40.400 So it'll say maybe they have 5 million, but it'll say they have like 30, 40, 50 million.

00:58:43.400 And there's people as a random person and they have like 4 million followers.

00:58:46.400 You're just like, yeah, okay, bro.

00:58:47.400 Yeah.

00:58:48.400 Like who are you?

00:58:49.400 How would that even be possible?

00:58:50.400 The best metric is to see how much engagement they're getting.

00:58:51.400 If people are actually like commenting or responding to it.

00:58:53.400 Well, you can read the comments too.

00:58:54.400 Cause sometimes the comments, they're all just generic.

00:58:56.400 You can get fake comments even.

00:58:57.400 For like Indian guys, like nice, very good.

00:58:59.400 Like exactly.

00:59:00.400 It's fine.

00:59:01.400 It's like so embarrassing.

00:59:02.400 People that are going to pay for fake.

00:59:03.400 I think it's embarrassing.

00:59:04.400 At least like, why would you do this?

00:59:06.400 It is.

00:59:07.400 But yeah.

00:59:08.400 Stay real.

00:59:09.400 I think that's what the future is.

00:59:10.400 People want to.

00:59:11.400 Trump's election is a perfect example.

00:59:12.400 People want authenticity.

00:59:13.400 They want what's real.

00:59:14.400 They don't care about like this fraud, felony, fake recharging.

00:59:17.400 Grab it by the pussy.

00:59:18.400 Grab it right by the pussy.

00:59:19.400 Grab it by the pussy.

00:59:20.400 Grab it by the pussy.

00:59:21.400 Grab it by the pussy.

00:59:22.400 That's true.

00:59:23.400 I agree.

00:59:24.400 And I think that's why both of us have been successful in life.

00:59:25.400 We're authentic.

00:59:26.400 And it does create a lot of haters.

00:59:27.400 The weird part, you know, being real crazy.

00:59:29.400 A lot of people are hating you because they're not.

00:59:30.400 So they get like jealous, but I think that's the way to move forward in life.

00:59:34.400 It's a reflection of their own flaws.

00:59:36.400 Yeah.

00:59:37.400 Did your YouTube grow fast or did it take a long time, years of hard work?

00:59:40.400 It took a long time.

00:59:41.400 I didn't get a million subscribers until it took like eight, seven, eight years.

00:59:45.400 Wow.

00:59:46.400 Almost 10 million subscribers.

00:59:47.400 A lot.

00:59:48.400 So you were really big on YouTube.

00:59:49.400 I had 2 million before I was, even before I started streaming, I had 1.3 million just

00:59:52.400 from video, from like a different genre.

00:59:54.400 It's funny because like now when I go back to New York and stream, I have all these liberals

00:59:58.400 with like nose rings, they come up to you like, I used to watch you.

01:00:00.400 And then people who now watch my streaming with all these conservatives, like what the

01:00:03.400 fuck?

01:00:04.400 Because they don't know that it was a completely different audience.

01:00:05.400 Pretty different.

01:00:06.400 Yeah.

01:00:07.400 Yeah.

01:00:08.400 But really, I think we both get called far right, but really in the middle is what's

01:00:10.400 weird.

01:00:11.400 You think you're in the middle?

01:00:12.400 I'm a little right, I guess.

01:00:13.400 Yeah.

01:00:14.400 They're not far right.

01:00:15.400 No, but there's some things I'm like, I don't know.

01:00:17.400 I'm not necessarily against saying like free healthcare.

01:00:19.400 Like why shouldn't, why if someone gets cancer, should they go broke?

01:00:22.400 I don't really think so.

01:00:23.400 I think our healthcare system is a mess.

01:00:24.400 It would need to be cheaper and fixed, but I think it's not fair that someone can't afford

01:00:28.400 medical.

01:00:29.400 That's extremely left wing view.

01:00:31.400 I guess.

01:00:32.400 I guess.

01:00:33.400 But I think the better way to classify right or left is really social issues.

01:00:37.400 When it comes to social, the taxes, stuff like that, that's a separate, I guess it's

01:00:42.400 still false.

01:00:43.400 Those things are really important though.

01:00:44.400 They want us, we're fighting over training, but these other things are important.

01:00:47.400 I don't want to pay the same amount of taxes.

01:00:49.400 The things are medical is expensive is the problem because we overpay.

01:00:52.400 Almost every other country has free medical, but they don't pay the same rates we do or

01:00:55.400 every other industrialized country.

01:00:57.400 What do you think is the best example of a country with good healthcare?

01:01:00.400 Well, I went to a hospital in Thailand and I thought it was going to be absolutely terrible.

01:01:04.400 It wasn't free, but it was so much better than American hospitals and so much cheaper.

01:01:09.400 That was when I first go, wow, America needs to be, I've had two staph infections.

01:01:13.400 I went in the US.

01:01:14.400 Like $3,000, the worst experience, hours, terrible care.

01:01:17.400 They didn't even treat it right.

01:01:18.400 I had to go to a second doctor.

01:01:19.400 Thailand, it was amazing.

01:01:21.400 $200.

01:01:22.400 The doctor was way better.

01:01:23.400 Fixed me right away.

01:01:24.400 Clean, in and out.

01:01:25.400 I was like, why is it a 10th a price and so much better in Thailand?

01:01:28.400 It shouldn't be that way.

01:01:30.400 It's the corruption between the insurance companies or the drug prices.

01:01:35.400 Everything's just corrupt in America.

01:01:36.400 It's a problem.

01:01:37.400 Basically, it needs to be scrapped and redone.

01:01:39.400 There still should be private hospitals you pay for, but there should be a basic free care, I think, for people.

01:01:44.400 I mean, that's the problem.

01:01:46.400 Capitalism and communism both flawed.

01:01:48.400 Both ideas, there's going to be flaws in each one.

01:01:52.400 That's the contradictory part because even then, I voted for Trump and all the Muslims are like,

01:01:58.400 Oh, Trump's a capitalist.

01:01:59.400 He doesn't stand for this.

01:02:00.400 He doesn't believe this.

01:02:01.400 We're never going to align perfectly with any politician.

01:02:03.400 Yeah.

01:02:04.400 Overall, I think capitalism is definitely the best system, but again, it has flaws.

01:02:07.400 It does.

01:02:08.400 It does.

01:02:09.400 But I do.

01:02:10.400 America's pretty great.

01:02:11.400 There's guys like us.

01:02:12.400 I don't know if you grew up poor, middle class or what, but I grew up pretty poor.

01:02:15.400 And I have so many friends who grew up pretty poor that are all millionaires now.

01:02:18.400 Now, it's really hard to become like a billionaire here, but it's not that hard to become a millionaire in America.

01:02:22.400 Not the million dollars for crazy money anymore.

01:02:24.400 But it's pretty easy to become a, not easy to say, but it's not the hardest place to make a good living here.

01:02:30.400 What would you recommend people do?

01:02:32.400 How do they go from being poor to, because I've never heard someone say it's easy to become a millionaire.

01:02:37.400 Not easy, but easier than anywhere else.

01:02:39.400 I work my ass off, I guess.

01:02:40.400 So easy, that was definitely the wrong statement.

01:02:43.400 But I have multiple friends that have become millionaires that grew up super poor.

01:02:47.400 You just have to pick whatever it wants to be and work your ass off.

01:02:50.400 There's so many different ways you could do it.

01:02:52.400 But, I mean, everyone said don't put your eggs in one basket.

01:02:55.400 But some of the things it's better to just find something to hyper focus on.

01:02:58.400 I agree.

01:02:59.400 I don't think you should diversify too much.

01:03:00.400 I think it's better to hone in on one skill and stick to what you know.

01:03:03.400 Yeah.

01:03:04.400 When fighting, that's all I was doing.

01:03:05.400 You know, when you're doing too many projects at once.

01:03:07.400 I mean, I cut a couple of projects out now.

01:03:10.400 I was going to start like three or four projects at once.

01:03:11.400 And I'm like, the podcast is so much more work than I thought.

01:03:13.400 And I'm like, you know what?

01:03:14.400 I'm going to cut some of these other projects out at least for the next year and add these next year.

01:03:17.400 Yeah.

01:03:18.400 Because you're not going to be able to succeed really if your attention is diverted on so many things.

01:03:22.400 No.

01:03:23.400 That's why I disagree with it.

01:03:24.400 Don't put your eggs on one basket.

01:03:25.400 Like sometimes the best thing you can do is do that.

01:03:26.400 So.

01:03:27.400 Well, hey man.

01:03:28.400 Thanks so much for coming on.

01:03:29.400 We have somewhere else we have to be.

01:03:30.400 But really appreciate the interview.

01:03:31.400 We'll talk to you soon.

01:03:32.400 Hey, Jay Shields.

01:03:33.400 I appreciate it.

SNEAKO - November 23, 2024

SNEAKO & Jake Shields Full Podcast： Future MMA Streams, Nick Fuentes & Adin Ross, & More

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