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- May 05, 2024
SNEAKO Reacts To Destiny & Sulaiman Ahmed's Debate
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so the intent is there they're precisely targeting the children the actions have demonstrated that
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they have precisely attacked the children in terms of what you said um about 35 000 they've not told
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people to move because in reality we've seen people to move they've killed so many people
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in the safe zones so what they're doing is they're telling people go to this area this area is a safe
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zone and then they're bombing and killing them and we've seen that time and time and time again
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we've seen people who basically wave the white flags of uh surrender they've been killed
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americans were killed uh when they were doing that they killed their own hostages in the same
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manner think about those or in them air trucks they did the exact same thing in terms of the booby traps
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obviously that's just fake news in terms of al-shafar that was the biggest debunked i'm surprised that
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these uh debunked propaganda pieces are being used here because we've already debunked them al-shafar
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wasn't a military installation al-shafar had nothing in it the most embarrassing videos where they were
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this looks like um doesn't this look like neon and aiden ross in 10 years this is when they finally
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make up and then they get red pilled and this is going to be the aiden ross versus neon zionism
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debate not a military place what happened was there were some injured people who were taken there
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because injured people irrespective of whether they're civilians or not will be taken to certain
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hospitals and that happens and that happened to the israeli hostages as well because they were
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injured and then doctors do their oath of looking after them and that's what they did
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unlike the israeli doctors who were basically supporting is destiny out grinder supporting the
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attack on hospitals this attack this fake news about hospitals only because there was oprah
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about the first hospital they attacked and they got exposed so badly in terms of icj this is fake
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news what you said they literally said it was a plausible case of genocide and then you said oh and
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they're saying that the case was there to show that there was a genocide so you admitted it in your
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own i came up with this question yesterday it was is is israel committing genocide let's see
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how mass people killed that is the most fakest news ever i must keep saying that there's not
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been those numbers in terms of people killed that is the most fakest news ever i must keep saying
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let me just get on time get uh your last side and then your last side and then we'll go to the
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next question where's fresh yeah yeah uh intentionally attacking people is not the special intent to
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commit genocide the special intent to commit genocide has to be higher than just attacking a foreign
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nation that you're at war with it has to be here again then the key the crucial part here is you
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have to be able to differentiate genocide from just war um when you talk about al-shifah hospital
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has been debunked no it hasn't they tried to debunk the first one they did it with with very little
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satisfaction but then uh israel literally came back through and found that al-shifah had been
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re-inhabited by islamic jihad by hamas and they had a whole other fight a month ago here it lasted two
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weeks were they fighting for two weeks against palestinian civilians in that hospital uh the idea
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ever said that they've arrested 900 people as part of the rate 500 that they've already confirmed
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as being part of hamas or being part of palestinian islamic jihad there's no way that that that second
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siege took two whole weeks if it was just civilians it doesn't make any sense it's impossible
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when you talk about attacking safe zones israel has one singular safe zone and that is the al-mawasi
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beach which is west of yankunas and that place has never been uh or khan yunas that place has never
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been attacked by israel there there's only been one report why does his jaw move side to side
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people don't know where it comes from some people say israel but it's on the outside of the beach
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there's no video evidence of this there's no uh actual picture evidence of this so the idea that
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israel is attacking safe zones that it's telling people to go to is just not true um when you talk
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about like aid trucks getting shot that was a horrible mistake that wck thing was really bad
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but you also have to acknowledge that hamas literally operates out of aid trucks they've
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operated of ambulances we've seen videos of of hospital garbed people picking up weapons and
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running them to the other side of the street to give to hamas while they're fighting so the idea
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that like hamas is not actively trying to engage in exactly this type of behavior and then to say
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oh well i've never heard of that before again if you trust these uh if i could gamble out i would
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put money that destiny is on 60 milligrams adderall right now 2014 going over a progressive um or this
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adderall job edge with that whole military operation they show that there is an interrogation torture room
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as part of the al-shifah hospital this isn't even contested in part of these international
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humanitarian communities anymore and again that uh the ex the ex-president of the icj came out and said
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we did not rule that genocide was plausible she said that verbatim on the bbc because that is not what
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they were tasked with ruling all right um and then freshest take fresh one and then i will i think
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you go first for the second question because destiny went first on this one then destiny will get last
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word on the next one what's freshest take right so coming back to it right of course there has to be
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special intent because the intent needs to be there to do it that doesn't mean and what is the intent
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for intent isn't to kill no one said that it said the intent for genocide and we've said that intent was
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there to have genocide to do genocide and the prime example is you admit that they specifically target
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uh certain areas is precise attack if you're precisely attacking and you're killing so many
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women and children that demonstrates your attempt uh intent in terms of what you mentioned about
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hamas hamas look in terms of october the 7th they were resisting occupation and so again this is another
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false notion where you try and make it look like things started on october 7th in terms of al-shifar
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the two weeks thing that is completely fake right because in reality what happened was they'd completely
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darken the area nobody knew what happened what we do know is as soon as the we were it was undarked or we
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were able to see what what actually happened we saw a scenario where they had killed so many
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civilians they had put they had massacred so many people we saw graves with 200 people 300 people
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400 people it was crazy what's fresh thinking about massacres we'd ever seen this history will
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remember the massacre that occurred in around the area of al-shifar let's go to the church al-shifar
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hospital it wasn't hamas these guys went and just absolutely pillaged and destroyed the place there is
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again zero evidence from people saying that al-shifar had any facilities actually the videos
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got exposed when they we looked at the videos none of them were inside al-shifar none of them had
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actual bases in al-shifar the calendar was so embarrassing they'd created it the weapons they
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brought them in it was so so embarrassing um in terms of safe zones completely fake news that there's
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only one safe zone there's been many safe zones rafa is an example of a safe zone and was killed and
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many innocent people were killed in in safe zones i've posted many videos in terms of people being
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killed in uh safe zones in terms of in terms of the world uh that was attacked it's so embarrassing
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it had the logos on there these guys knew that that was one of the few places that they're gonna
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allow to give aid they bombed one then they bombed a second and then they bombed a third and they did
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it and they killed americans and british people this is the level of the genocidal nature of this
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they know there's no blowback sulaiman's cooking okay um so good point so the next question we're
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gonna get into and this one uh sulaiman's gonna kick this one off and then that's when we get the
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last word is anti-semitism used to stop free speech the question again is or the topic is
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is anti-semitism used to stop free who was in the twitter space yesterday when we got these questions
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of course it is and i hope destiny's consistent on this because he gave us a whole speech at the
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beginning i'm like behind the scenes manipulating this debate chat we've seen it these same people
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i gave him a layer crying and crying and crying about identity politics are the same people who
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are literally crying about anti-semitism you basically got the u.s government saying that
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anti-semitism is occurring when hardly any anti-semitism has occurred in the in the universities
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again many of those claims were debunked what they really don't want and no what's freshest
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and they proved it by the bill that was here we go oh hold on hold on easy easy chill chill chill chill
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chill chill chill no there we go that anything can be anti-semitism
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so for example now and these are the same people
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bro bro used to cry about identity politics when it comes to racism when it comes to islamophobia when
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it comes to these various other things so yeah anti-semitism has been used to end free speech they
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did it in certain european countries when it was denial of the holocaust why isn't an individual able
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to have free speech and deny it and then they did that in the united states you guys had about as i
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believe it 32 states that don't even let you freely take part in bds which is boycotting israel
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this is the level of 32 states and now the university protests have been shut down based on these false
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accusations of anti-semitism you see people being banned on twitter for this elon musk right twitter
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is the most free speech platform and yet he's banned from the river to the sea because it's a call for
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genocide when it clearly isn't it's interpretation one side it says it is one side it says it isn't and
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it's not even there's no rebuttal to this argument yeah they made that into illegal just based on
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anti-semitism they've made it illegal to say though they're attacking the fact that christ is
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saying christ is king is anti-semitism they want to edit the bible they want to basically make it
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so that anyone who calls out the zionist terrorist regime you basically have a scenario where you're
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basically given the wc go for this layup question wc go for this layup stop that allow free speech in
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a country where the first amendment was created where they allowed free speech they're destroying the
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very country as he said the best country for a reason but now it no longer is gonna be okay
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destiny turn it to you um is there's no rebuttal there's no rebuttal to this it's over to some
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extent it can be i think that all identity politics is but this isn't unique to jews again like muslims
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will threaten to kill you if you post pictures of muhammad on twitter uh there's not a bigger
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attack against freedom of speech than somebody threatening to behead you because you drew a
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picture of their you know favorite but he's still here i think that's pretty interesting he's still
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here there's three muslims right like we talk about anti-semitism a lot and that argument and people do
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this a lot is people aren't honest about their positions you know i think in the united states you
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should be allowed to be anti-semitic that's part of your constitutional god-given right you can be a nazi you can be an
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anti-semitic you can be a pro-semitic you can be whatever you want in the united states that's
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protected speech you might get banned on some platforms for it but you have the right to say
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those things that being said there'll be people that will walk around and say things like oh no
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i'm not anti-semitic i just think that there's a reason why jews have been kicked out of every
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single country they've ever been a part of and i think jews are also controlling the united states
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of america and i think that jews in the united states of america also have more allegiance to
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israel and i think the jews were actually behind 9-11 and i think special warnings and i think and it's like
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at some point whatever you call anti-zionist basically has a one-to-one overlap with whatever anti-semitism is at least
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own it right i'll say i'm islamophobic when i fight against muslims online if i was gonna fight
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against jews online over their dumb religious shit i'd say i'm anti-jewish or whatever the fuck
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but don't sit here and like pretend that like oh no like it's just me doing my talking points and
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i had no idea that you get an auctioneer
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he's like some sort of like i don't think any fucking christian has ever said that until they
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until it became popular to use it as a way to bully uh fucking jewish people i grew up catholic for
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i was a catholic for 12 years i remember like hearing all the screaming about christ is king
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um yeah and as far as the university the university protesters you have a right on the university to
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protest but it is a university you have to do it in an appropriate mean manner and place or time
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manner and place meaning you're not allowed to set up encampments for weeks and weeks or days and
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days you're not allowed to block students from going to class you're not allowed to disrupt events
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that are happening on campus that's part of the rules of being on university grounds and if you start
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to violate those rules then yeah eventually they're going to kick you out you know people can say
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that it's anti-semitic this time what was it anti-african-american when blm people were getting
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arrested or was it anti-conservatives when trump people were being arrested on january 6th or was
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it anti-millennials when uh the um it's like rap god oh the 2008 anti-wall street movement was
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happening um occupy yeah occupy wall street like no i mean like people are when situations get violent
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they get drawn out eventually the cops are going to come in and shut it down that just happens with
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every single protest it's going to continue to happen with every single protest it doesn't mean
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that there's some unique violation of your freedom of speech okay um so then i'll turn it to you
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he didn't address any of his claims yeah i've just given many examples within the zionists who
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do the exact same thing but in a much worse manner and disproportionately it's a lot worse
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now in terms of what he said this is the propaganda that zios do right they want to make it so that
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anti-zionism is the same as anti-judaism which is not right judaism is not the same as zionism
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jewish people in israel that are oppressed but yes the zionist control and remember there's much more
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christian zionists than there is jewish zionists of the united states is prevalent and these people want
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to end it and make it the same because they want to make it look like that you're being anti-semitic
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so that you basically have a scenario where you put in prison or they take away you saw the very
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first harvard letter where there was an uproar just because the students were calling out the
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treatment of the palestinians and they said they're not going to get a job they're not going to get a
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kriya so this is what happens yeah if somebody says that the jews could chuck them out of a hundred
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this is a position that i don't agree with but it is a position that people should be allowed to have
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they should be able to have that position you shouldn't be able to stifle free speech
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and this is what's happened by the zionist structure because the difference is he can be
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islamophobic and he's got no problem he's on youtube he's on everywhere but he can't do the
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same thing to zionists hence why we moved to rumble when we were talking about this i know we all know
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it let's go great point and you i was i've been banned of buy me a coffee we've been banned of many
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platforms for this reason right because this is what they do and it's not just platforms it's law
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denying the holocaust is law you look in this how is the congress that they're going to pass
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that's going to be law so it's a legal aspect christians of course they said christ is king this is
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their position they're like well this is ridiculous to say that this isn't part of
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also uh christ is king that basically the jews killed jesus they're allowed to have that position
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because this is an ideological position you shouldn't have no issue with it whatsoever
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in terms of the university protest the reason the bandit has nothing to do with certain regulations
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that were not met is because the zionists were being exposed everyone was talking about in the
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media there was going to be a huge amount of movement and they had to stop it this is very
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different to the blm what did they do with blm they allowed it to cascade they allowed it to grow
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they were burning cars they allowed it to grow for so long and yet these university students
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sitting peacefully they basically banned them all right uh turn it to destiny then um
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and then if you guys want to do one more round we can uh like a fire round and then we can go to
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the next question this is heavy man holy
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content as well because it's moving so fast yeah yeah you guys are you guys are really battle
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hold on we got over here kendrick lamar we got a drink over here hey this is probably one of the
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best well
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one of the best debates
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or kendrick lamar you know obviously we're you know like i told y'all before i'm just moderating it
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man making it fair for both parties so they can get their points because i think it's really
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important to be able to have have these ideas and um hash them out together so um destiny it's on you
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i'll give you uh your two minutes and then um then we'll go to suleyman and if you guys
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it was my idea to do two minutes by the way just saying yeah i mean i would be opposed to um
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making anti-zionism or anti-semitism illegal in the united states i don't think anybody's making
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it illegal in the united states i haven't seen that i don't think the bell in congress is making it
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illegal i think it is providing it the same protections that you have for you know he knows
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their sexuality or their religion if you're like an employer or if you like own a house you're
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trying to rent a house to people i don't think they're making anti-zionism illegal um there's this
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talking point again that like you can attack islam but you can't attack um judaism the reality is just
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like nobody really cares that much about the religion of judaism you've got most jews in
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israel don't care about the religion of judaism uh you know and the people that are going to care
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the most are going to be those in the fucking west bank that are trying to set up their uh their
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little settlements and everything they're not going to be online fighting with you on twitter
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again i can go online i go on twitter i can shit on jews in like 15 different ways and nobody gives
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a fuck because more of the crazy that's not true religion uh nobody actually cares about like most jewish
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people won't defend it whereas if i go online and i start talking about ii sheriff i start like
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putting pictures of muhammad online i've got like 15 million death threats in my inbox um but yeah i
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mean to really reiterate like yeah you should be able to go to deny the holocaust if you want to deny
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uh you know zionists their right to a country if you want to say all those things in the united states
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it should be allowed to be done and i believe it is still allowed to be done and there's no way to
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stop that unless the first amendment uh is somehow revoked in the united states uh if you're upset because
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people are banning you from certain platforms for it then i would say that yeah i mean that's
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that is what platforms are doing but i mean everybody that's not a freedom of speech violation
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and i don't even know if i'm fully bought into this idea that zionists get more protection than
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anything else it feels like most of the media coverage has been insanely pro-palestinian if you
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look at twitch for instance the platform that i'm banned from hassan piker is literally the face
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of of fucking twitch politics and hamas piker is literally an avowed supporter of terrorist attacks
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against israel of the destruction of the israeli state and will support you know the houthis and the
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hamas and the palestinians in any way size shape or form and i'm sure when you go on youtube you find a ton
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of pro-palestinian support as well so this idea that you don't have support for palestinians
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that's allowed to flourish on these social media platforms isn't even true in and of itself
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all right that's uh so if you guys want we can have a fire on here where you guys can
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is destiny cooking yeah you uh yeah no no yeah because i had the last word last time so he should
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get the last word this time and then we can ask if we want to do a fire round he should get his
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yeah i don't know for this last one i thought i thought he was no no he was supposed to get the
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last word on this one no i think it was me it was actually i can't remember yeah yeah it is him
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because because no because destiny went first the first time because anti-semitism i think i
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talked first about why anti-semitism isn't is it free speech okay yeah so if you go first that
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means who's the better yeah yeah so yeah destiny was supposed to get the last word on this one
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you're right um which you just did just now but if you guys want because i saw that you
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had wanted to address something you can do a fire round while i put two minutes on the clock
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i'll be feeling just like another old guy yeah go for it yeah yeah i was gonna i was gonna give
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three minutes for both y'all to go ahead and like actually be able to both speak oh discuss it
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right yeah you can actually openly discuss i'll put three minutes on the clock where you guys
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fire around for this you guys can both when the freshest round we're in agreement right we don't
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want censorship right i think we're both in agreement both it doesn't matter if it's judaism
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anti-semitism islamophobia it doesn't matter what it is like i believe you can if you speak about
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things you can do it like even your point about aisha i wanted to debate you on it because i knew
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your punch were weak yeah so i would much rather debate you than do drama so i completely agree with you
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in that regard but people do care about judaism this is a misnomer like when when you basically attack
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judaism online you get basically hate speech even on twitter we had hate speech violations for certain
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jewish practices or for example jewish rabbis having protections in israel after committing for
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example rape or pedophilia or wherever it may be so we got warnings on that people even when we looked
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at like for example jewish rabbis have been in charge of porno i believe there was basically a huge
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amount of claims of anti-semitism so that does happen on that so in terms of the reason you don't
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shit on jews is because you know that it's somewhere you don't want to go down right you know it's
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because we know the risks we take when we attack zionism i mean to be clear i shit on jews if
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they're there to shit on but like most of what you're bringing up like they didn't like jews
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control all of porn like these aren't even attacks on the jewish i said porn hub okay yeah whatever
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these are on judaism this is just like because it's a rabbi doing it right it is it is how because
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if it's a clergyman a clergyman represents the religion so if imam did it it doesn't mean it would
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have a bit people would think that you're basically attacking an imam and you're trying to attack
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muslims or islam in in a way so it would be like that so when people attack like priests for like
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meddling with like little boys i don't think you're necessarily attacking the religion you don't think
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you're trying they're trying to basically expose the religion i know i disagree i don't think so i
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think too and in terms of hassan paika i don't know what i don't know who like i know who he is but i
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don't know his positions but what i can say is there is a significant amount of content that is not
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allowed in those platforms and in twitter twitter is a prime example because i'm when you look at the
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level of the boosting that happens on pro-palestinian accounts compared to zionist account is
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significant the only difference is the whole world is with palestine you think the de-boosting
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on twitter is happening for palestinians i can give you my example so i get much more engagement
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than zio accounts i'm like the biggest political engaged account but if you look at my views they're
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much more lower so it means the algorithm is somehow not pushing me even though my engagement
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isn't that literally all open source now ever since elon musk took over did you literally see what
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gets boosted i can't see the reasoning for this two minutes you can't see the reasoning for this
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okay i don't think any of these are being de-boosted i think there's plenty of pro-palestinian
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accounts no no you're not understanding you're not understanding i'm not saying that they're
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completely shadow banned i'm saying that let's take my example right so the likes retweets and
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shares are minor much more than any other account on twitter and politics and yet the views are
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lower and a zio account gets hardly any engagement but the views are significant so why is the accounts
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getting the view when mine's not as an example i don't mind just an example of many pro-palestinian
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accounts and the reason is because there is some and by the way twitter is still the best one it's
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just i'm i know how twitter works so i can give that as an example so there is a de-boosted just
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to balance it out because the whole world is with palestine i think the more likely thing is that
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some things are being botted and some things aren't the idea that there are people who work at
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twitter that are trying to sneak code in to just de-boost certain things there are so many
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engineers that would be looking at this i think that people that are private investors in twitter
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would be like why are you doing this like i don't know if this is even good for our wallets to be
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uh getting rid of organically you know uh viewer generating content like yeah i don't i don't
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everybody complains that they're getting de-boosted when they're doing good enough
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it's been shown it's time okay that's uh that's time that's three minutes um you know shout out to
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you guys for being so goddamn civil um okay so the next boring fight okay and uh they're getting
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spicer as we go here here we go should zionist be able to hold government office my question
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i'll go i'll go first easy one this is a layup bro layup question he might i think that'd be fair
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on him as long as you're okay with it okay i'm doing it for his benefit because then he knows my
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argument because i'm probably gonna make the okay so if you go first that means he's gonna end again
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you okay with that yeah yeah i'm okay go ahead okay take it away i'll turn the clock on so um
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look i don't think so zionists so if the zionist if the zionist is somebody who just wants a state
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of israel of course they should hold office right what the problem is is what i believe that someone
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shouldn't hold office in the united states is when they have jew um a citizenship so they basically
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don't have loyal you mean israeli citizenship right no no he said dual citizenship he thought he said
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jew i'm so sorry i heard it too though i heard it too
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chat did you hear that
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that you understand so you're good don't worry
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make it say jew citizenship please so um oh jew citizenship right
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because then you basically got loyalty to two different countries now you could be israeli you
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could be like for example they talk they make the same arguments about ilhan omar as well and
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because your loyalty should be the united states and you shouldn't have someone for example if
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someone's got loyalty to russia and the united states there's going to be problems with that
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loyalty but then in addition to that and i make a further argument with that and that is this that
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somebody who holds the opportunity for right to return also should not hold office in the united
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states and the united kingdom and the reason for that is because someone can be hold the opportunity
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to have right to return they can destroy the united states they can destroy united kingdom they can
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basically use it for the interest of israel and then they can go back to israel and based on their
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right to return now your retort of that will be that's anti-semitic because now you're basically
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saying no jewish person can hold office and my retort of that is if you stop the israeli
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um a supremacist ideology of right to return then you wouldn't have that problem and so therefore
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my argument is very simple and it is if you have dual citizenship you shouldn't hold office if you
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have right to return you shouldn't hold office and that way you know that the american interests are
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being put first and the interests of britain are being put first and the same problems you have in the
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united states we have the exact same problems in britain so any argument i'm making that you can
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apply to my country as well okay um i will you the only 150 okay what are you doing that's the
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stance all right go ahead this um i think it's in the i think it's in the u.s constitution that you
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cannot uh be a citizen of another country uh so i'm okay with that in terms of the presidency
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um in terms of like barring every single federal office from anybody having dual citizenship
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um i don't have like super strong feelings on it but i feel a little bit weird about it i think
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that's probably okay if dual citizens are you know like members of congress maybe maybe not but i'm
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like 51 49 i wouldn't care that much on it um in terms of saying you can't be a citizen if you have
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like a right of return well i don't think that really works one we don't really have the right
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to dictate in other countries not a citizen to hold office to hold office you know yeah but i'm saying
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if you giving the right of return automatically disbars you from holding office um it would be really
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strange because then like effectively any country could just could just shut down whoever is
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president let's see we find out that like biden is it's part irish or something and all of a sudden
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the republic of ireland is like actually we're going to give right of return to every irish person like
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does biden have to renounce his irishness or something or couldn't you mess with any single
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uh member in office if a right of return is granted it just seems like a really big cluster
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but that doesn't exist um that's not a thing i don't i don't have a strong position for like if
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people have dual citizenship you know maybe it's questionable like do we really want somebody voting on
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whether or not we should go to war with the country if they hold a citizenship in that country
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i think you can make like strong arguments on either side of that like should somebody have
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to revoke their citizenship just for running for office would this go down to like the governor
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and the state assembly level maybe just for uh you know federal office we would say this but
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yeah i don't have strong opinions on this one or another but i don't agree with like the if
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they've got right of return every single jew is disbarred from holding office because then any
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country that offers a right of return means that like anybody from these types of countries
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wouldn't be allowed to hold office okay uh your response to that so um in terms of congress
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the problem with your argument is that you're saying that the u.s president can't have dual
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citizenship but then people who are congress people who are part of the senators can essentially who
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decide policy that is what decide if you're going to go to war in certain aspects in terms of policy
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procedure whatever it may be the things that can cause the destruction of the united states if they
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put certain policies that internally can cause the destruction of the entire fabric of western society
00:24:22.720
for example certain people would make the argument as an example certain liberal ideas
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then you would basically be able to destroy a foreign nation based on those ideas hence why
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i agree with the constitution in terms of the president and i think it should be casted cascaded
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down in terms of the right to return yet look there will be problems with it for sure right because
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it's not a clean position the problem is there's only one nation that has the supremacist
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ideology which is israel where you have a right to return
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merely because of your inherent race and so for that reason you have a problem where someone can
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go to the united states and destroy the nation and then use the right to return to go back and this
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is the problem we have and that's why to safeguard the country to safeguard the country from foreign
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intervention which is something that americans seem to be caring about they talk about russian
00:25:07.460
intervention and chinese intervention but for some reason they don't care about israeli intervention
00:25:11.740
a country who literally is forcing the united states to go to war is forcing the united states to
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basically have less security have more financial issues and so on and so forth then i think that it when
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it when it becomes that major you need to know that whoever is making decisions they're making
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those decisions so you should hammer this point home more interests and for the betterment of the
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united no dual citizens running for office i agree with you at the beginning there's a reason america
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is the best country in the world and it should be left to do so not without foreign intervention
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okay a little bit of time on the clock with that one um we should have hammered that home way more
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i don't have strong feelings on most of us that the strongest one just on the right of return
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i don't know every country's immigration policy but i'm sure there are other countries that allow you
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the ability to immigrate if you've got some uh ancestry or if you've got some ethnic tie to
00:25:54.200
some particular thing i'm sure that's the case i don't i just don't have every policy on hand i
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know that like in the united states if you've got parents that are u.s citizens like you've got a
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right to go to the united states if you're born on a u.s base anywhere you get a u.s passport
00:26:03.860
um but i don't know every single country's immigration policy i wish i did nationality is
00:26:08.200
different to risk though um yeah sure but again like i'm i'm um i mean like what is the nationality
00:26:14.880
you have of both your parents are american right we don't have like a race that we can have
00:26:18.380
for like to call like an american race um so yeah i don't know also like i mean yeah no i don't know
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i just i feel like other countries here probably probably have other types of of ability to return
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depending upon your ethnic background or religious background i just i don't know every country but
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yeah um all right so we'll move on to the uh are there any are there any countries that have the
00:26:36.020
right to return besides israel this is a big one here and you guys obviously are definitely going
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to disagree with on i'm glad we're on rumble on this one ready was october 7th a military operation
00:26:46.380
or a terrorist attack again the question is or the topic is who asked that one who got this
00:26:52.540
question a military operation this was a terrorist attack it was that australian guy take it to i
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think you started last time so destiny you could start on this one and and we will do a fire run at
00:27:02.700
the end of this one um fresh is cooking huh you take it w fresh military operation seeks to accomplish
00:27:08.480
military goals if you're doing an invasion and you're a military there's probably some military
00:27:12.560
goal why does fresh look more like fresh air they had no military goal they were trying to accomplish
00:27:16.140
the goal was to incite terror in the citizens that's why thousands of rockets were launched
00:27:19.920
at the beginning of the invasion that's why when they cut through and they started going into israel
00:27:23.160
proper um they hit up kibbutzes some of which had nothing to do with the military they went to
00:27:26.740
that nova festival and they killed raped and took hostages from tons of people there these people
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didn't present any sort of actual uh militaristic threat or or have any kind of militaristic gain the
00:27:36.640
entire idea was to take you know some 200 plus hostages back every single one of these being a
00:27:40.940
violation by the way of the law of armed conflict and no that's not the same as palestinians that
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are facing detention in israeli prisons uh even though that argument is often made so no every
00:27:49.460
single part of the operation on october 7th was just designed to instill and incite fear in the
00:27:53.960
israeli population that's gonna be so cute bro military operation or goal that i can't be mad at him
00:27:58.320
i'm never mad at this guy and it led to as we've seen now the reprisal from israel in response to
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uh this with a war it's like a cute atheist like another minute to speak added out teddy bear
00:28:08.360
it was a military operation right you don't need to be a military to conduct
00:28:13.540
they're not allowed to have a military this is like a teddy bear you know
00:28:17.060
to do a military operation the kibbutz did hold military personnel hence why that was their target
00:28:25.400
the nova festival was never meant to be there it was expect extended by a day without anybody knowing
00:28:31.080
it they were meant to go to the kibbutz get the israeli hostages military personnel and swap them for
00:28:36.500
the palestinian hostages that are kept in israeli prisons and they are the same because in reality
00:28:42.280
many of them have not been held trial they're basically and they're basically being abused
00:28:46.320
the only difference is when the state of israel does it it's called uh prisoners and when uh when
00:28:51.080
basically palestinian does it or hamas does it is called hostages that's the only difference it's
00:28:54.720
just a difference in language look raped that is the biggest fake news ever like this mass rape
00:28:59.860
propaganda has been debunked there's no evidence for this whatsoever i would like destiny to provide
00:29:04.200
evidence of there have been an actual real evidence of rape because this is just like fake news that's
00:29:09.620
been debunked just like the 40 beheaded babies that we debunked just like any baby being killed by
00:29:14.020
israel we debunked so all of this has been debunked they didn't plan to take 200 hostages
00:29:19.500
it's actually the opposite they did not expect the nova festival to be there they didn't expect it
00:29:24.340
and they didn't expect the israelis to react in the manner that they reacted in terms of killing
00:29:29.220
many of their own hostages and so many of their own people and so for that reason reason they end
00:29:34.780
up taking many more hostages than they expected and that's why even israeli literature says that
00:29:40.440
they've been trying to get rid of some of them hostages because they never expected to have such
00:29:43.340
a multitude of hostages and remember all of our arguments are based on israeli news really we
00:29:49.000
the arguments because this is even by their own news they're making these arguments one thing i
00:29:53.660
appreciate what destiny said is that they wanted to kill they wanted to go after the israelis the state of
00:29:57.840
israel and he is very much accurate in that because he didn't say jews because in reality it was an
00:30:01.940
attack on the state as opposed to a people because the hamas charter is very clear that they have no
00:30:06.840
issues with jewish people okay uh turn to you um and again the topic is was october what is why is
00:30:14.160
fresh here why is fresh even here yeah so the idea that the nova festival was moved today this is a
00:30:19.360
multi-day festival i mean you could look at all the flyers beforehand it's not like this was just one
00:30:23.040
day and also the idea that it was moved and nobody knew if that was the case then how did the party
00:30:26.540
people know to go to the festival i know that doesn't make any sense like and also when you're
00:30:30.500
paragliding in and you see a bunch of people partying i mean like what are you thinking like
00:30:33.500
are you radioing back to base like well i'm it i don't know what to do there's a bunch of party
00:30:36.240
goes here oh fuck i guess we just have to fucking kill them all i didn't know they'd be there like
00:30:38.960
take as many hostages as possible like mow down as many motherfuckers you see like we have videos
00:30:42.720
for we say it's all comes from the idf that's not true these dumb motherfuckers were recording videos
00:30:46.020
of themselves you have videos of people walking up and down porta potties shooting in with their
00:30:49.200
assault rifle but maybe they think that there are secret ideas soldiers hiding in those i don't know maybe they
00:30:52.680
operate from porta potties in hamas so much they think the idf does it as well
00:30:55.380
um the idea the 40 beheaded baby thing wasn't true israel never said it this was a misreport by
00:31:00.000
the media where that original came came from it originated from twitter it did not come from any
00:31:05.780
israeli reported source again everybody can go look for it you can go find it that original source is
00:31:09.560
not an israeli source um we can say the mass rape propaganda but i mean we've got tons of
00:31:14.520
eyewitness reports of hearing uh rapes happening and witnessing rapes happening now we've had people
00:31:18.860
that were hostages that have come out who've said that they were sexually assaulted and they know that
00:31:22.060
other hostages were being sexually assaulted and we've got a lot of charred bodies and a lot of
00:31:25.960
dead people whose underwear were torn off bodies where there was blood coming out of the vagina
00:31:29.980
um bodies where the uh genitalia were shot over and over again but the problem is is that when
00:31:34.460
you've got an invading you know terrorist organization that is raping you they also tend
00:31:37.780
to kill you as well it's pretty hard to get away from that it's really funny when people say like oh
00:31:41.000
like where are all of the uh we're all of the rape survivors well believe it or not when an invading
00:31:44.820
military force is raping you they're probably going to kill you too and that's why over a hundred of the
00:31:47.920
bodies that were found were charred beyond all recognition but still kind of hard to explain
00:31:51.680
why the legs were open and why the clothes were torn off the bottom halves of these bodies um what
00:31:56.280
yeah we can say that arguments are made all from the israeli news but i mean whose fault is that i
00:31:59.980
mean hamas isn't open about anything you know when we go through and we try to audit israel on some of
00:32:03.780
these you know uh massacres in the past or some of the bad actions they've done we can only do that
00:32:07.580
because israel is a democracy and we have the ability to actually audit them that's why israel hosts
00:32:11.360
uh its own criticism in the form of betzalem or in the form of haretz what is the hamas equivalent to
00:32:15.880
betzalem what is the hamas equivalent to haretz they don't host any of their own criticism they
00:32:19.580
throw people on buildings and they kill people who think that they're in opposition to the
00:32:21.820
government there two minutes okay um all right i'll turn it over to okay he better he better
00:32:27.680
come on misunderstood what i said i didn't say it was moved i said it was extended and i provided
00:32:32.440
significant evidence on my let's go that it was extended it was meant to be one days and one day and
00:32:36.340
then it ended up it being increased to two uh and then three days so that's what i said so no they
00:32:41.720
weren't expected not because it was moved but because it was extended in terms of 40 beheaded babies
00:32:45.860
i've done a thread on this what you're saying is fake news it was reported by a journalist it was
00:32:49.640
also reported by i24 news which is uh run by a very good friend of netanyahu that's where some of
00:32:56.420
this fake news about 40 beheaded babies were done was propagated and by the way there was zero babies
00:33:01.880
killed the only people killing babies is the zionist terrorist regime so when you mention terrorists i
00:33:06.740
think you're talking about the zionist regime when you said that the hostages were assaulted there's no
00:33:11.820
evidence of that the many of the eyewitness testimonies have been exposed for example
00:33:15.680
risk uh riskohen he literally said oh i heard it and then later on he changed his testimony to say
00:33:20.360
oh i saw it there was another guy who said that he saw 29 people being raped and then again it got
00:33:25.540
exposed as being a lie so many of these eyewitness testimonies are by settlers or basically israeli
00:33:30.100
liars who want to perpetuate the lies look they had gopro cameras they want you to believe that they
00:33:35.600
had gopro cameras and they malfunctioned then nobody saw anything so whenever these atrocities occurred
00:33:40.160
for some reason the gopro cameras stopped working it's the most ridiculous argument ever but they
00:33:44.620
want you to believe that in terms of like people being charred people were charred we saw it it got
00:33:49.900
charred by israelis when they were using apache helicopters as an example 200 palestinians were
00:33:54.780
killed or they as they say hamas people or the resistance were killed and they basically counted
00:33:59.160
them as israeli numbers and then later they found out no they weren't israeli they were palestinian
00:34:02.480
so that's how they were killed they were killed their own people as well as they killed them
00:34:05.540
so and this is the problem the israelis killed many of their own people because they lost their
00:34:10.320
minds when they came there this is the problem that they don't want to speak about in terms so
00:34:14.560
that's the thing about the time though and in terms of israelis you can't trust anything they lie and
00:34:18.140
lie and lie they claimed that they didn't kill her and then later on this got exposed that they did
00:34:23.100
actually kill her and it's only when it got exposed so yeah you can't trust the israeli news they lie
00:34:27.180
until they get exposed the real what i'm my argument about is israel was that if we actually had
00:34:31.620
independent sources the situation would be much worse so even with israeli sources
00:34:34.900
the lies are being exposed okay rebuttal to that um yeah again i've never heard anything about the
00:34:40.420
festival being extended by one day it seems like there's a lot of people that were able to stay
00:34:43.400
there even though the festival was extended but let's assume that all of that was true even if it
00:34:46.960
was extended by one day why kill everybody at the festival there's no reason for that if you show up
00:34:50.520
and you come upon a festival and you're like oh it's not supposed to be here why would you why
00:34:53.860
would you start killing them we've seen the bodies um you know i i asked you for the source on that
00:34:57.620
i understand we're not gonna sources like right here in the middle of uh of a debate but that that um that
00:35:01.900
40 beheaded baby thing did not come from an israeli source that's why you said a journalist
00:35:05.420
and then you said i24 news um like the i don't believe that there was an israeli source for any
00:35:10.400
of that story a lot of it got spread around on twitter but none of this actually came from israel
00:35:14.400
none of this came from the government none of it came from the idf it was memes that started to get
00:35:17.440
uh snowball on twitter and then started to get spread around and people talked about it but there
00:35:20.180
was no actual initial report from the idf or from any idea person person or spokesman about there
00:35:24.540
being 40 beheaded babies it just didn't happen it was a meme that spread out of control on on twitter
00:35:27.500
um you're talking about ross cohen i don't know if you're starting bloom and fall in the gray zone
00:35:30.740
for this but i looked at the uh testimony that this guy gave on day one on day one when he was
00:35:35.100
talking to a journalist outside of an ambulance he didn't mention anything about seeing any rapes
00:35:38.700
but that's because it was a three minute clip that went viral on twitter that got cut from a larger
00:35:42.240
conversation if you find the original conversation that is on facebook he literally starts talking
00:35:45.880
about rates right after that three minute cut they just didn't include it in the original twitter
00:35:48.900
video because it was cut down for a time or something i'm not entirely sure um when we say that we
00:35:52.940
can't trust anything that the idf says i mean we we can run with that but why would i trust
00:35:57.480
anything hamas says hamas literally put out a flyer saying that uh we don't kill civilians we
00:36:02.500
would never do this despite the fact that dead hamas soldiers are being found with documents on
00:36:05.720
them giving them explicit instructions on how to ask for people to take their clothes off how to ask
00:36:09.400
for people to to come with them or how to take people hostage and that we've got videos of them
00:36:12.840
taking people hostages we've got videos of people walking up and down cars seeing charred bodies and
00:36:17.580
seeing dead people in cars this was way before idf choppers showed up and started firing you don't think
00:36:21.340
that any of the israeli citizens that were walking up and down the highways finding all of the dead bodies
00:36:25.000
you don't think that any of them would have noticed there were actually helicopters bringing
00:36:27.800
down fire on any of the cars none of this actually happened there would have been people reporting it
00:36:31.300
there would have been people posting videos of it okay uh turn it to the show oh that's crazy you
00:36:35.060
said there was no patchy helicopters we literally got the evidence of it we've got israeli literal news
00:36:40.100
parrots saying that basically basically in kibbutz beri they start shooting shot and re-fire and killed
00:36:45.420
182 people i believe 118 i can't remember the exact number but it was in the hundreds
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of people yasmin porat says that they basically when they were shooting and killing they killed
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their own people we were eyewitness testimony from the israeli side saying this never mind the
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hamas side in terms of what you said are we ready for lord jen what you're not understanding is
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they weren't expecting it so then the plan wasn't there what they didn't expect was for the israelis
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to lose their minds attacking them and killing them and basically applying the hannibal directive in a
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mass scale hannibal directive is they kill their own people so that they don't become hostages
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that's what happened so it wasn't abdul let's kill it it was epstein let's not kill these let's
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let's just shoot everyone don't let any hostages out because we're gonna have to negotiate that's
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actually what happened uh well in terms of risk coin i said to you and it is his testimony changed
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and you mentioned in terms of the the hostages held held by hamas bro as soon as the hostages came
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out all of them were literally saying they treat us really well they didn't abuse us they didn't
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sexually assaulted us and then what happened was the israelis were like what the hell israelis these
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guys are making hamas look good like they're treating them like angels they're treating them
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so well they're giving them food as they're eating food themselves and then what they did was when they
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start releasing hostages they kept a blockade and they didn't let them speak to the media for weeks
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and months to put the propaganda into their minds to control them to manipulate them and make them lie
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that's actually what happened you talked about hamas having documents this is the most ridiculous
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argument ever like no one believes it's all fake like oh we were left with a passport we were left
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some documents hamas are very clear the charter is very clear they have no issue with uh with in
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terms of jews christians or muslims their charter is literally saying that they want freedom for the
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palestinians so in reality the hamas and their actions are very clear this was a military
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occupation uh military attack to save their own people okay uh and i think um destiny you went first
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on this one right maybe yeah yeah i think you did so soon i got the last word if you guys are good
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then i got one more question sure yeah real quick uh yeah we could do a lightning round here then that
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way you guys can go ahead and have the open dialogue with each other i saw that you guys had some
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things you had you had one too yeah all right cook fresh hostages that came out yeah the first
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hundred hostages that came out didn't say anything about mistreatment of course because they only let
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people out that had family members that were still being held hostage you're not going to come out and be
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like yeah they're treated like shit there i think they're right but everybody and then all of a sudden
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that's not true a lot of the hostages came out yes because they only allowed women and children
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or families to come out some of the hostages were but some of them weren't and this was a fake news
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but someone this was what zionist made they made the argument that when that woman came out and
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literally said we've been treated really well they're like oh husband's still there and we
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actually checked it it was fake news so this is like the fake you don't think there's any family
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members that are still being held from any of the i just said some of them even if it's not family
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members the fact that you come out and start talking about the hostages when they release you
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wouldn't it make sense to tell you well now because i don't even know if there are any hostages left
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no because israel tried to do a ceasefire where they wanted to trade 40 hostages and for some
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reason israel's coming out of 33 because it sounds like hamas doesn't even have 40 hostages to trade
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well well the thing is israel has killed a lot of their own hostages that's happened for sure but in
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reality what's happened is the reason they need to negotiate is because with the disagreement why i
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know ceasefires agreed is because they hamas want a permanent ceasefire because the last ceasefire
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what happened was when they got their own palestinian hostages back even within them seven days
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the zionists took more hostages so this is the problem so it's illogical from hamas's perspective
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hamas has been asking for a 10 year ceasefire okay not a permanent ceasefire because i'm because
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they want to qualify with 10 years because they still want to go to war with israel in the future
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but regardless they don't have the right to ask for it that's not right they want a permanent
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ceasefire you can't ask you can't capture hostages and then make demands off of having hostages that's
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not how military conflict works and then when you bring up no but that's happened in the past because
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israelis have hostages and previously what's happened is they've traded one palestinian hostage for
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a thousand israel israeli israeli and a half minutes wait hold on i'm sorry wasn't that the exact
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opposite wasn't that the start of 2008 where they had one israeli hostage and they traded him for a
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thousand palestinians that's what oh yeah okay yeah um also you bring up like the uh attack
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helicopters you bring up the attack helicopters and yes because war crimes pay off yes um that
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apache helicopters were shooting israelis were killing the old people yeah that happened in
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places where there were holdouts from hamas and palestinian islamic jihad that were still fighting
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you bring up kibbutz bari that's not right that's not right absolutely right there is no why were the
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200 chart of palestinians and 100 chart israelis because they weren't defensive they did the
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okay all right well we can watch the rest of this later huh i've heard a lot of these soccer
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points they just have an oar off but who won chat they're good matchup i can't lie
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with you this later huh
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um
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