Stand on Guard with David Krayden - September 20, 2023


Day 10, Freedom Trial: Prosecution Continues to Fall on its Face in the Tamara Lich & Chris Barber Trial | Stand on Guard Take 5


Episode Stats

Length

15 minutes

Words per Minute

136.81094

Word Count

2,141

Sentence Count

166

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

3


Summary

Day 10 of the Freedom Convoy trial, where more witnesses are called to the stand and more questions are asked of the prosecution. The defence continues to do their best to make their case, but the prosecution seems to have no idea what to do with their witnesses.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 I've been here from the beginning and never left.
00:00:30.000 So, we are in a very precarious position in this country.
00:00:38.180 We need political change, but we also need to resolve to resist.
00:00:52.520 Welcome back to another Take 5 with Stand On Guard.
00:00:55.240 I'm your host, David Creighton.
00:00:57.120 And we're back with day 10 of what I am calling the Freedom Trial, the Freedom Convoy Trial
00:01:04.640 of Tamara Leach and Chris Barber.
00:01:08.460 We just completed day 10.
00:01:09.680 Believe it or not, there's been 10 days.
00:01:12.520 Originally this trial was scheduled for 16 days.
00:01:15.700 It's not going to be over in 16 days.
00:01:17.920 We just started hearing from some of the non-police witnesses for the prosecution today.
00:01:27.120 Mr. Kim Ayotte, who is the general manager of the emergency preparedness section of the
00:01:34.640 city of Ottawa.
00:01:36.640 He was on the stand.
00:01:37.580 Well, sometimes he wasn't.
00:01:39.460 He was actually asked to leave the courtroom twice by the judge so they could discuss the
00:01:43.260 matter between the prosecution and the defense.
00:01:46.640 The prosecution again seemed completely ill prepared and really their methods were questioned
00:01:53.200 by the judge, who is Justice Heather Perkins McVeigh.
00:01:58.160 And she asked the prosecution, what are you trying to achieve with this?
00:02:03.380 Because you have this city official here.
00:02:06.160 And he seems to think he's just talking about his job description.
00:02:11.680 And the defense attorney, Lawrence Greenspawn, picked up on this right away.
00:02:19.680 And he said, why is Mr. Ayotte appearing at this trial?
00:02:23.720 Why did he come to this courthouse without a single note on his person, in his possession?
00:02:29.800 Is he going to recall everything from memory?
00:02:34.480 And the judge actually mentioned this and said, how are you going to remember if the information
00:02:40.880 you're relating to us today was firsthand information that you actually garnered yourself or secondhand
00:02:47.040 information, which you were told, which becomes hearsay in any trial?
00:02:52.560 Well, and the Mr. Ayotte simply said, well, it's not something that's on the top of my head,
00:02:59.120 your honor.
00:03:00.500 And he actually said that he was under the assumption that he was there today merely to talk about
00:03:07.920 his job description.
00:03:09.980 Now, I'm wondering, I've said this in the past, the prosecution presents a gong show at times.
00:03:14.820 They don't seem to know what they want to do with their witnesses.
00:03:18.300 Clearly, if he was just there to talk about his job description, we are wasting time.
00:03:23.280 And by the afternoon, of course, he started to get into a little more detail about things.
00:03:29.200 And once again, the defense cautioned him and the court about using words like riot, because
00:03:36.320 he said, that's all we're going to see on the news tonight is that word riot.
00:03:41.100 And it's interesting how this went today, because once again, the prosecution seems to be playing
00:03:47.340 the best defense possible for Tamara Leach and Chris Barber.
00:03:51.280 I've been there just about every day.
00:03:53.720 And I have been there for some of the most difficult portions where it's quite difficult.
00:04:02.580 It is tedious at times to listen to some of the evidence that's being presented.
00:04:07.880 This is all part of the voir dire process of Canadian law.
00:04:13.020 For those of you who are not associated with it, I would read it up, read up on it when you have a chance.
00:04:19.240 It's quite interesting.
00:04:20.100 But it can be fundamentally boring if you're watching from the seats in the courtroom.
00:04:29.880 It can be very difficult.
00:04:30.900 As a reporter, it can be very difficult to watch.
00:04:33.660 But it's getting a little more interesting today.
00:04:35.380 Anyway, as I said, the prosecution continues to, in my view, screw up.
00:04:42.160 Now, interesting aside as well, Mr. Greenspawn also brought up the issue about these Ottawa residents
00:04:52.160 testifying before the court.
00:04:54.780 It's not that he's afraid of their testimony.
00:04:56.160 He's already read it.
00:04:57.640 You know, it's part of the discovery.
00:04:59.440 He's already read the testimony.
00:05:00.920 He knows what they're going to say.
00:05:03.520 But there's eight witnesses who are residents of Ottawa who are going to claim they had their
00:05:09.660 lives upended by the Freedom Convoy.
00:05:12.640 They're probably going to be talking about an occupation, a ridiculous terminology, a ridiculous
00:05:17.880 piece of terminology when describing a peaceful protest in Ottawa.
00:05:21.660 It was not like the Germans occupying Paris.
00:05:24.280 No, not at all.
00:05:25.380 But Greenspawn said again today, why are we listening to eight people that are all saying
00:05:31.840 the same thing?
00:05:32.940 But yet, none of them really took notes.
00:05:36.440 He mentioned at least one of the witnesses only answered two of the questions posed to
00:05:40.380 them by the defense.
00:05:42.200 That they're making a lot of allegations that they really can't back up.
00:05:46.280 You know, he mentioned the fact that people are talking about license plate numbers, but
00:05:51.540 they're not even sure whether those license plate numbers correspond to truckers who are
00:05:57.140 actually in the convoy, who are part of the protest.
00:06:01.160 So it's very tenuous, this whole thing.
00:06:04.100 And it's going to take days of testimony.
00:06:08.020 And it's going to require more days of testimony for the defense to respond to these witnesses
00:06:15.820 who are merely saying, hey, we had our lives upended.
00:06:20.000 Because apparently they didn't like honking, even though it's been, I think, clearly established
00:06:25.900 that the honking did not persist throughout the night.
00:06:29.000 And that both Tamara Leach and Chris Barber cautioned the truckers not to keep honking all
00:06:37.160 night long because it would be a real problem for the Ottawa residents.
00:06:44.380 It would interfere with sleep, obviously.
00:06:46.820 And the truckers had to sleep too.
00:06:48.420 So the very suggestion that they were up 24 hours, seven days a week honking their horns
00:06:52.960 is a bit ridiculous.
00:06:54.380 The trial continues.
00:06:58.060 It is quite interesting what's happening here.
00:07:00.940 I think the defense is continuing to maintain its hegemony in these procedures.
00:07:08.620 The prosecution is continuing to demonstrate it is not really equipped to present this case
00:07:15.040 very well.
00:07:16.920 It is continually upsetting the judge.
00:07:22.500 The judge said, again, today when their witness said he was just there to give a job description,
00:07:27.840 she said, oh, no, no, no.
00:07:29.880 That's what she said.
00:07:31.160 Oh, no, no, no.
00:07:32.760 That's not why you're here.
00:07:34.600 There's more to it than that.
00:07:36.440 And if he didn't understand that when he got to the courtroom today, that's a problem.
00:07:43.460 So I'm back again tomorrow.
00:07:45.080 But before I go there, before I get to the courtroom, if I get there at all tomorrow,
00:07:51.220 the million-person march is tomorrow morning, 9 a.m., Ottawa time, Vancouver time, Halifax.
00:07:58.120 It's your local time, 9 a.m.
00:08:00.420 The protest begins.
00:08:01.960 This is a one-million-person march for children.
00:08:04.960 It's for the children who are being exposed to gender ideology and this pronoun nonsense
00:08:12.440 in their schools.
00:08:14.240 Teachers' unions, not necessarily all teachers, but teachers' unions are pushing this gender
00:08:19.080 ideology upon them.
00:08:20.880 There is no such thing as mass gender dysphoria in our schools.
00:08:25.520 It's been invented.
00:08:26.460 It's been created.
00:08:27.440 It's a political problem that's been totally manufactured.
00:08:30.900 It's artificial.
00:08:31.500 But yet, the government, the provincial governments, with the exception of Saskatchewan and New
00:08:40.160 Brunswick, are pushing this agenda.
00:08:41.960 The federal government continues to push it through Justin Trudeau.
00:08:44.800 He is an advocate of everything LGBTQ+, including gender ideology.
00:08:50.680 He is pushing this agenda as strongly as he can.
00:08:53.300 And he tells everybody that if you oppose this agenda, if you don't think as a parent you
00:08:58.020 have a right to know, if your child under 16 years of age decides they want to change
00:09:03.260 their gender or change their pronouns, that you don't have a right to know.
00:09:07.480 You don't even have a right to know.
00:09:09.200 And you certainly don't have a right to demand your permission to grant that.
00:09:15.500 And this is what we're up against.
00:09:16.960 And we're expecting a counter-protest tomorrow that has been spawned and, as they say to
00:09:23.520 themselves, co-conspired by the Ontario public unions, as well as others, who all got together
00:09:32.300 last week on a Zoom call to say that they're going to do everything in their power to disrupt
00:09:36.760 this protest.
00:09:39.280 They don't think parents have a right to raise their children.
00:09:44.660 They don't think the parents matter.
00:09:47.360 And they have the gall, they have the nerve to suggest parental rights have something to
00:09:52.400 do with fascism.
00:09:54.120 When, of course, the obverse is exactly true.
00:09:58.540 Fascism doesn't respect parental rights.
00:10:01.920 Fascism is a state where the children can tell on their parents and get them sent to jail
00:10:06.740 because the family is decimated.
00:10:08.880 The family is destroyed and only the state matters.
00:10:13.840 And that's what these teachers unions are pushing.
00:10:16.680 So I think we might have stopped this counter-protest because we've embarrassed these teachers unions
00:10:22.640 and show them up for what they are, a bunch of LGBTQ activists who are taking money from
00:10:30.480 their membership.
00:10:31.460 They're taking a salary for not doing their job on behalf of the members, but doing political
00:10:37.400 activity.
00:10:38.880 And organizing counter-protest to parental rights marches.
00:10:44.340 That's what these people are up to.
00:10:46.420 We're going to talk about that tomorrow at the march.
00:10:49.180 We're going to talk about the fact that these public service unions are actually not representing
00:10:59.360 their membership.
00:11:00.260 And I have received many messages on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, emails from
00:11:10.640 parents who belong to these unions that were present at this Zoom call.
00:11:15.680 And they say, that union doesn't represent me.
00:11:18.220 It doesn't represent my values.
00:11:20.440 I'm not some sort of far-right ultra-conservative because I think I have a right to raise my children
00:11:28.140 myself.
00:11:29.300 And they are condemning these unions.
00:11:32.480 And they're condemning that union leadership, which is not leadership.
00:11:36.480 And they're condemning the fact that these people want to upset, disrupt, stop a peaceful protest
00:11:44.640 tomorrow, September 20th.
00:11:47.480 They're saying no.
00:11:49.480 And that's what this march is about.
00:11:50.900 Enough is enough from Justin Trudeau and his identity politics.
00:11:54.280 Enough is enough from Justin Trudeau and the provincial premiers who back him with their gender
00:12:01.340 ideology, we want equality under the law, not special identity politics for every subdivided group
00:12:12.580 in this country.
00:12:13.540 And that's also what this march is about.
00:12:15.780 So be there tomorrow, September 20th.
00:12:19.240 In Ottawa, it's on Parliament Hill.
00:12:21.880 Other places, it's at your provincial legislature or your local mayor's office, your town hall.
00:12:29.300 9 a.m.
00:12:31.220 Your local time, not Eastern time.
00:12:34.160 It's your local time.
00:12:36.800 I look forward to hearing that we not only had a million people marching on Wednesday,
00:12:42.920 but we exceeded that number by all expectations.
00:12:47.920 It's going to be a marvelous day.
00:12:49.540 And the weather in Ottawa is going to be sunny and warm.
00:12:55.040 So thank you for listening again today.
00:12:56.960 I'll be back again tomorrow to tell you how the march went, what happened, more about the freedom trial
00:13:04.580 of Tamara Leach and Chris Barber, and all beyond that until we hope.
00:13:12.740 These two protesters who cared so much about freedom that they put their freedom on the line for all Canadians
00:13:21.520 to end COVID mandates, they are vindicated and they walk free.
00:13:29.740 Thank you for listening today.
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