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00:00:16.000It does sound incriminating, like this noise of someone literally going through a box, like, oh, here, look at this secret.
00:00:22.000But I suppose this is the question we want to ask you.
00:00:25.000And do let us know in the comments, in the chat, what you think.
00:00:28.000Don't you sort of feel already that all politicians and particularly heads of state have access to highly sensitive material which they communicate about in private circles?
00:00:39.000It's not really the worst thing you can imagine someone in power doing and isn't it more significant that the confidential and classified information pertains to a potential war with Iran?
00:00:49.000Isn't that the real story rather than that Trump is rifling through them boxes Having a diet coke, not diet coke, full fat coke for Trump.
00:00:58.000Because basically this is about Trump, admittedly, you know, I guess you could say, illegally showing someone a classified document.
00:01:05.000But basically what he's saying is, you see, I told you I didn't want a war with Iran.
00:01:09.000And then the mainstream media going, ha ha, we've got you!
00:01:13.000Like, the war with Iran is surely the important thing.
00:01:15.000I don't know, what has more impact on you?
00:01:17.000Is it that powerful people have access to classified documents that they maybe sometimes do not stay within the letter of the law around?
00:01:25.000Or is it that there's this ongoing forever war perennial Armageddon plan that's amping up to wage war on Iran?
00:01:33.000The next closing in on Hunter Biden, by all accounts, is getting harder and harder to believe that Joe Biden didn't know anything about... Allegedly!
00:01:44.000Also, what I think is really funny, and let me know what you think about this, if you're watching this on Rumble, join us in the chat on local.
00:01:49.000Some of you saying, what's happened to Jack Dorsey?
00:01:50.000We're just delaying, we're doing Jack Dorsey on Monday, because we've decided on Friday, we are going to bring you exclusively, and just, I'm going to take my top off for this, RFK style.
00:02:00.000I'm taking my top off, because what we are going to bring you is me, Schellenberger, and Taibi, We're gonna be bringing down the censorship industrial complex on Friday and on Monday and we'll actually, I think we're doing Jack Dorsey maybe on a Tuesday.
00:02:22.000Will they be willing to take off their tops?
00:02:24.000They're willing to blow the lid on a whole lot of secrets, but these little guys, they want censored forever.
00:02:31.000They look like a shirtless Putin, it's been claimed over there.
00:02:35.000So hey, you guys, join us, press the red button, join us on Locals for this chat.
00:02:40.000Once we go exclusively onto Rumble, once we leave YouTube, we're going to be talking about RFK's now famous vaccine argument with Bill Maher.
00:04:02.000We are longing, now that you are a Rumble fellow, and I should let you know that we're broadcasting this live, just my half of the conversation.
00:08:59.000We're gonna raise the quality of this show exponentially in a moment because we've got a fantastic, bold and brave Another journalist that I rank alongside them is our guest on the show now.
00:09:08.000of appearing with Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi in a live event to bring attention
00:09:14.000to and make a movement to oppose the censorship industrial complex.
00:09:19.000Another journalist that I rank alongside them is our guest on the show now.
00:10:11.000Why, Aaron, when you've got such lovely brown eyes?
00:10:16.000Yeah, this came out recently in the Twitter files.
00:10:19.000The FBI, acting on behalf of its counterparts in Ukraine, asked Twitter to censor a whole list of accounts and also hand over their information to Ukraine, to Ukrainian intelligence.
00:10:33.000I was among the people that Ukraine wanted to be removed and wanted to get my information.
00:10:39.000And Twitter said no, because they pointed out that It wouldn't be such a good look if, you know, we're censoring Western journalists.
00:10:46.000And the FBI said, okay, but it's just weird that It was Twitter that had to tell the FBI that maybe you shouldn't be censoring journalists, period, especially on behalf of a foreign government.
00:10:56.000As to why Ukraine would want to do that, I don't know.
00:10:59.000I just like to spread factual information about this proxy war and how it could have been avoided.
00:11:04.000There were all these chances at diplomacy before the war and after the war.
00:11:07.000They've all been sabotaged by the West.
00:11:09.000I don't think it's good to use Ukraine and sacrifice its people for a geostrategic goal of bleeding Russia.
00:11:17.000I don't see how that's in anybody's interest but U.S.
00:11:20.000And because I say stuff like that, they wanted me censored.
00:11:23.000Here is the email just to show that Aaron's not lying, that this isn't disinformation, it's evident truth that we can demonstrate there.
00:11:34.000I had a conversation recently with someone that said that there's a kind of form of Occidental imperialism in the assumption that Ukraine aren't able to decide for themselves what the best response to a criminal Russian invasion Is that Ukraine is an independent nation and it's somehow patronizing to assume that the narratives of those of us that live in anglophonic countries supersede their own long-standing tensions with Russia.
00:12:06.000How do you reconcile the fact that Ukraine do have their own intentions with what appears to be the observable fact that this is somehow beneficial to NATO and the military-industrial complex?
00:12:21.000Ukraine, of course, has the right to resist an invasion, but that doesn't necessarily obligate us to fuel the war with our military aid and intelligence support, which is what the U.S.
00:12:33.000Ukraine could not fight this war without U.S.
00:12:35.000support, and that's why Lindsey Graham said, the senator from South Carolina said, that as long as we aid Ukraine, they will fight to the last person.
00:12:43.000I don't see how it's aiding Ukraine to use them to fight to the last person.
00:12:50.000So, yes, Ukraine has the right to resist an invasion, but it doesn't necessarily obligate us to fuel the war, especially when, and this is a key point, there are diplomatic alternatives.
00:12:59.000This war could have been avoided, and it could have been stopped after it began.
00:13:02.000Before the war, there were the Minsk Accords, which Ukraine's far-right and the bipartisan U.S.
00:13:08.000establishment bitterly opposed because that would have ended the war and the Donbass that began.
00:13:12.000After the 2014 U.S.-backed coup, Russia put out proposals in December 2021 that, at minimum, should have been discussed trying to address Russia's security concerns about the expansion of NATO and the, you know, placement of NATO infrastructure surrounding Russia, including inside Ukraine.
00:13:30.000and NATO refused to even basically discuss it.
00:13:32.000So that was a mistake, and that was a case where diplomacy could have possibly averted all this.
00:13:37.000And then after the war, we now have so many sources—NATO sources, Ukrainian sources, Vladimir Putin himself saying that a deal was reached in April 2022, but that Boris Johnson, with presumed U.S.
00:13:51.000So yes, in principle, of course, a country has the right to resist a foreign invader.
00:13:56.000But when there are reasonable alternatives to avoiding it, those at least need to be explored and not blindly fueling this disastrous war, especially when it's pitting the world's top two nuclear powers against each other.
00:14:09.000And one more thing about Ukrainian agency.
00:14:12.000It depends which Ukraine we're talking about, because Zelensky himself was elected on a peace mandate in 2019.
00:14:18.000He was going to end the war in the Donbass.
00:14:21.000He was going to make peace with the rebels and with Russia.
00:14:23.000He couldn't, because Ukraine's far right blocked him.
00:14:26.000They protested violently whenever he took steps towards implementing the Minsk Accords, and some people even threatened to kill him.
00:14:34.000So, this far-right leader named Dmitry Yarosh said that if Zelensky makes peace with Russia, he won't lose his popularity.
00:15:54.000Well, look, Prigozhin's hard to read, and there's so many theories about him.
00:15:57.000Some people say he was working with Western intelligence, and there was Pentagon leaks not too long ago saying that Prigozhin had offered Ukraine the coordinates of Russian military positions.
00:16:08.000He basically had betrayed his own side.
00:16:11.000Now, I found that hard to believe because I don't think Ukraine needs to know where Russian forces are because the U.S.
00:16:22.000On the surface, this could just be what it appears to be, which is that his group, Wagner, was facing a deadline to be incorporated into the Russian military.
00:16:31.000Accordingly, Purgosian was going to be sidelined, and this was his way of rebelling against that.
00:17:05.000It took about 24 hours and this thing was done.
00:17:08.000And the fact that this was not a threat to Putin can be I think best seen in the fact
00:17:13.000that you didn't have a single person switching sides and pledging allegiance to Purgosian.
00:17:18.000He had a few thousand of his own forces with him, but aside from that, I can't find a single senior Russian official who said that, you know, I'm joining with Purgosian and I'm on his side now.
00:17:28.000So, that to me is a reflection that this actually strengthened Putin, although it embarrassed him.
00:17:33.000And it did make him look weak, but ultimately he leaves this, I think, emboldened because now Purgoshin's in exile in Belarus, and his militia, Wagner, will be implemented into Russia's forces.
00:17:44.000So the fact that there was this desperate rush to sign Putin's death warrant before even the developments could unfold speaks to, I think, first of all, the clamor for regime change in Russia that drives NATO policy in Ukraine.
00:17:58.000And also, a reflection, as you mentioned, that the Ukrainian counteroffensive, which was supposed to turn the tide, is not going very well.
00:18:05.000Understandably, because Russia's always had the advantage, and this was only a matter of time before Ukraine would run out of material, and also people to sacrifice.
00:18:14.000All these young people being sent off to die in this useless war that could have been prevented and could still be avoided now.
00:18:20.000So I was not surprised to see this hype in Western media, because they need anything they can to distract from how badly this counteroffensive is going.
00:18:28.000In our chat, Bandi Boyan says, RFK Jr.
00:18:33.000says he will free Assange on the first day.
00:18:37.000We had a censorship industrial complex event with Schellenberger and Taibbi the other day in London where the significance of opposing the current agenda, global, legislative, it's been set up in several countries simultaneously, new censorship laws that will prevent free speech such as that which we are literally, I think right now, Enjoying.
00:19:01.000What do you feel the emergence of a figure like RFK means from somewhat from within the Democrat Party establishment, although he's sort of peripheral status is assured by some of his well established views on, for example, vaccines.
00:19:15.000Do you think that this is a significant shift?
00:19:18.000Do you think it will alter the conversation?
00:19:19.000And if you'll forgive the pun, do you think it will move the needle?
00:19:28.000He's got a lot of courage and clarity there.
00:19:29.000I hate what he says about Israel-Palestine.
00:19:32.000To me, he parrots anti-Palestinian talking points.
00:19:34.000And I just think, for a progressive, there's just no room for that anymore.
00:19:38.000You just can't support the Israeli government and its occupation of Palestinians and call yourself a progressive.
00:19:43.000I appreciate that he has changed the conversation on some of these key issues such as Ukraine.
00:19:49.000And the fact that even before the primaries is underway, he's already polling really well.
00:19:54.000That to me speaks with the deep frustration even inside the Democratic Party with the current government, this Biden government that's overseen this disastrous proxy war in Ukraine and has meanwhile neglected people at home.
00:20:05.000So although I don't agree with RFK Jr.
00:20:07.000and everything, I appreciate that he's there and I'm also excited that Cornel West Who's, I think, a progressive much more in line with my values is in the race as well.
00:20:16.000And Marianne Williamson is also launching a challenge.
00:20:18.000So I hope that all these voices get the chance to be heard, because clearly their presence in the primary reflects growing dissension and growing frustration with this current government.
00:20:29.000And as for censorship, the movement to me has to center on Julian Assange, the most important journalist in the world.
00:20:35.000He's being tortured, persecuted for his courage and bravery.
00:21:06.000I'm really interested to hear, Aaron, What you feel about the current story about the Trump audio there, what our take on it is, is that all of us basically expect that former presidents have access to censored material and probably
00:21:26.000Share it in ways that are inappropriate.
00:21:28.000There are stories about Biden having comparable materials.
00:21:31.000And again, what's interesting is the lack of interrogation about the contents of the boxes, in particular the plan for a potential war with Iran and exacerbating the tensions between Israel and Iran.
00:21:46.000What do you think about the coverage of this story?
00:21:52.000Well, because the media is obsessed with Trump, that's all they care about, they're going to ignore the substance of the story, which, as you pointed out, speaks to Trump revealing that there was a plan to attack Iran, and he was against it, therefore, I think, making himself look good.
00:22:08.000But the media doesn't care about stopping warmongering, because they support warmongering.
00:22:13.000goes to war against anybody, no matter the consequences.
00:22:16.000And all they care about is ratings and all they care about is going along with this campaign to undermine Trump, not because they care that Trump is a misogynist or has bigoted views.
00:22:28.000They don't think Trump is a suitable steward of the U.S.
00:22:37.000You're supposed to say we're there to spread democracy and fight terrorism.
00:22:40.000He said recently about Venezuela that we should have taken their oil as well when he launched a coup there.
00:22:44.000And they didn't care that he launched a coup in Venezuela.
00:22:47.000They just don't like that he's admitting that he wants to take the oil and crush Venezuela's existence as an independent state.
00:22:53.000outside of U.S. control. So that's why they're using cases like this with the classified documents
00:22:58.000to undermine Trump. And whether he's guilty or not, I don't really care. I don't worship at the
00:23:03.000church of classified documents. I don't respect the Espionage Act. I don't think it should exist.
00:23:08.000And I don't care about these intra-elite feuds. I care about the substance of what these stories
00:23:12.000contain. And as you point out, this story is more evidence that there is a clamor to attack Iran.
00:23:20.000And it's very odd that we have to rely on people like Trump to stand up to it.
00:23:25.000And we certainly can't rely on our media to cover it because they just don't care about stuff like this.
00:23:29.000They just care about spectacle and taking a part in this long running lawfare campaign to undermine Trump, which began when they framed him as a Russian agent.
00:23:38.000And even recently, we had this long report from John Durham, a special counsel, showing what a scam Russiagate was.
00:23:43.000And there's been zero, or close to zero, introspection in US media because they don't care about facts.
00:23:48.000They just care about whatever their agenda is.
00:24:17.000You can follow Aaron on his sub stack, of course, and at The Grey Zone.
00:24:20.000Plus, you can hear his fantastic podcast, The Useful Idiots Podcast, which I haven't been on in spite of seeming to have been designed for that title.
00:25:54.000We've got fantastic coming up and you're going to want to be a Locals member by the time that happens because we'll do very exclusive stuff.
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