Stay Free - Russel Brand - Jimmy Dore - On 2024 Election, RFK Jr, GOP Debate & WAR!!

Jimmy Dore is hosting an independent presidential debate, hosted by Christina Tobin, the founder of the Free and Equal Elections Foundation, to be held in February 2020. In this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand, host Russell Brand talks to Jimmy Dore about his plans for the debate, how it's going to work, who he s going to ask the questions, and why he thinks it s a good idea. Plus, we talk to Christina about what she s looking forward to in the debate and why she wants to have an independent one in 2020. Stay Free with Russell Brand is on all of the social medias, if you search for Stay Free, you'll find us. If you like what you hear here, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and other podcasting platforms. We re listening to your favourite podcasters! Subscribe, Like, Share and Subscribe to stay free on your favourite podcasting platform! You can also join our bi-monthly presidential debate discussion group, The Democratic Debates, and join the conversation by using the hashtag on social media and tag to be part of the conversation and send us your questions, comments and thoughts on the topic and we'll get a shoutout on the next episode! Thank you for listening and supporting the show! Timestamps: 4:00 - Who do you want to be in a debate? 5:30 - What's your favourite presidential debate debate debate candidate? 6:15 - What do you would like to see in 2020? 7:00 8:00 | Who should be the next one? 9: What would you like to debate next year? 11:50 - What are you would you vote for next? 13:40 - Who would you have the most authentic presidential debate in the next presidential debate you'd like to vote for? 14:30 15:40 16:20 - How do you think I m looking for a real democratic debate in 2020 or a real presidential debate? / 15:30 | What s your idea of a debate that s a real democracy? 17: Is it a sham? 18:15 | What do I want to see me vote for the best presidential debate next election? 19:40 | What are my name? 21:20 22:20 | Is there a real debate I d like to have a debate between the other candidates?

00:00:00.000 Hello there you awakening wonders.

00:00:07.000 Welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:09.000 I'm pretty excited about today's show for a number of reasons.

00:00:12.000 One of the reasons is Jimmy Dore.

00:00:14.000 Jimmy Dore's on the show with us in a minute, hosting a presidential debate organised by this person called Christina Tobin.

00:00:21.000 She's the founder of the Free and Equal Elections Foundation.

00:00:24.000 Good luck with that!

00:00:26.000 And so we're going to be talking about... I've always wanted to have someone like Jimmy Dore do a presidential debate, haven't you?

00:00:31.000 That's good.

00:00:32.000 Like when Vivek the other day goes, who should be Joe Rogan?

00:00:35.000 It should be Tucker.

00:00:36.000 Well, Jimmy Dore's going to do one.

00:00:37.000 So we're going to ask him about that, how it's going to work, how he's going to handle it, as well as asking him regular Jimmy Dore stuff.

00:00:42.000 Plus we'll talk to Christina Tobin because she's sorted it all out and stuff.

00:00:45.000 Please join me in welcoming, in whatever way you want, maybe you can just simply blow out your cheeks, you can pull out your ears, you can slap your own thighs wherever you are in this sweet world of ours, and welcome Jimmy Daw.

00:00:56.000 All right, Jimmy and Christina Tobin.

00:00:59.000 You're both there together in the same frame.

00:01:01.000 I wasn't sure what to anticipate.

00:01:02.000 Thank you so much for joining us, both of you.

00:01:05.000 It's my pleasure.

00:01:06.000 Thanks for having us.

00:01:07.000 Hi, nice to meet you, Russell.

00:01:08.000 Nice to meet you, Christina.

00:01:10.000 Jimmy, I want to thank you again for coming on straight away when I was in the mad midst of that onslaught.

00:01:15.000 I really appreciate you standing up for being a man of principle.

00:01:19.000 And to see a man of principle in a position where you're conducting a presidential debate is astonishing and surprising.

00:01:26.000 Can you tell me exactly how this thing's going to shake down?

00:01:29.000 Who are you anticipating participating in, first of all, just so I can have an image of it?

00:01:35.000 Well, the way it's going to work is people are going to vote on a blockchain app that's going to be released, I think, later next month.

00:01:44.000 And so it's going to be democracy.

00:01:46.000 So people can vote.

00:01:47.000 And the first top six presidential vote getters are going to be in our independent presidential debate.

00:01:53.000 And no matter who it is.

00:01:54.000 And so, you know, I'm hoping it's going to be President Trump.

00:02:00.000 I hope it's going to be. 0.97

00:02:02.000 I know Joe Biden won't debate anybody because, you know, he's demented.

00:02:05.000 But I hope it will be people like Jill Stein, Cornel West, Bobby Kennedy.

00:02:11.000 And that would be really an amazing thing to happen.

00:02:14.000 And so that's what I'm looking forward to.

00:02:16.000 And you know, in the United States, we used to have real presidential debates when they were run by a group called the League of Women Voters.

00:02:24.000 And then, of course, both corporate parties in America didn't like that they were being asked real questions and they were being exposed to the American people for the frauds that they are.

00:02:34.000 So they got rid of that, those kind of debates, and they developed their own private company that's funded by corporations that now runs the presidential debates.

00:02:42.000 It's called the Committee for Presidential Debates, the CPD.

00:02:46.000 And so, guess who gets to choose?

00:02:47.000 They get to choose who the people who ask the questions are.

00:02:50.000 And who asks the questions?

00:02:52.000 The people who get their checks signed by the corporations, the military-industrial complex, Wall Street, and big pharma.

00:02:59.000 Those are the people who are asking questions during presidential debates.

00:03:02.000 And they get to okay the questions.

00:03:05.000 It's more of a circus than it is an actual debate.

00:03:08.000 And so, we're pushing for independent—well, we're going to actually do one.

00:03:11.000 We're actually doing an independent presidential debate.

00:03:14.000 It's going to happen in February.

00:03:16.000 And we're trying to raise money for it right now.

00:03:18.000 We've already raised $10,000.

00:03:19.000 We need $30,000 to get over the hump.

00:03:23.000 And it's going to be real democracy. 0.95

00:03:27.000 And just like Vivek said the other night, why are you having these tools of corporate America up here do this circus and ask these stupid questions and control the debate is what they're actually doing, control the narrative. 0.96

00:03:39.000 He said, why not have somebody like Tucker Carlson or Joe Rogan? 0.98

00:03:39.000 And why not? 0.98

00:03:42.000 Well, I was hurt that he didn't mention my name.

00:03:47.000 But here I am, and so I'm ready to do it.

00:03:50.000 And we're actually looking for a... I would love Joe Rogan to jump on.

00:03:54.000 That would be fantastic if he could.

00:03:56.000 Or someone similar.

00:03:59.000 But right now, this is the only independent and real presidential candidates debate.

00:04:05.000 Because the other one is a sham.

00:04:07.000 And so, back to you.

00:04:09.000 I've already learned that the debates themselves have been corporatised and what's presented as an open debate, an opportunity for us to assess presidential candidates, is part of the very system that makes the whole charade redundant.

00:04:22.000 Christina, can you tell us, was it the spirit of the earlier debates that's inspired you?

00:04:28.000 How are you going to make it work technically?

00:04:29.000 How optimistic you are about it?

00:04:31.000 And what led you to select Jimmy Dore there, the outspoken, I'd call him trans-political, progressive yet traditional, populist everyman, comic hero to host it.

00:04:45.000 Well, Jimmy's right.

00:04:46.000 We're going to have a blockchain app powered by Nexus.io.

00:04:50.000 Really, through ranked choice voting, the people are going to vote the top six candidates.

00:04:54.000 I founded Free and Equal Elections over 15 years ago.

00:04:58.000 We've been hosting presidential debates for 15 years.

00:05:01.000 We've had Larry King in 2012, Ed Asner.

00:05:04.000 I moderated three live presidential debates during a lockdown year in 2020.

00:05:09.000 The people wanted Jimmy Dore, a coalition of organizers, a lot of them from the Rage Against the War Machine rally last February.

00:05:17.000 They have another event this February at Lincoln Memorial, and many groups and organizations brought Jimmy and I together.

00:05:22.000 I met him last year in D.C.

00:05:24.000 at that event, Rage Against the War Machine.

00:05:26.000 He's hard-hitting, he's not beholden to special interest money, and he's funny.

00:05:31.000 So you are too, Russell, and it's just like such an honor to be sitting here between two very accountable individuals that speak their truth, aren't beholden to the special interests like the Mainstream Commission on Presidential Debates, which is really crumbling, an expired platform that is run by big money, and it was stolen by the League of Women Voters in the late 70s, who originally created the debate.

00:05:54.000 The CPD has perpetuated a fraud in American voters.

00:05:57.000 The League of Women Voters has stated that. 0.54

00:05:59.000 I agree with them.

00:06:00.000 And what an honor for Free and Equal Elections to be hosting this presidential debate in Los Angeles.

00:06:06.000 We are finalizing at XR Studios 360 immersive venue in Los Angeles this winter.

00:06:14.000 And Jimmy's a perfect moderator.

00:06:16.000 We are seeking another co-moderator.

00:06:17.000 I would love for Joe Rogan, for the people out there, Please reach out to Joe Rogan and ask him to join Jimmy and I at this debate for the people this winter in Los Angeles at XR Studios.

00:06:29.000 I think it sounds like an extremely exciting event and Jimmy I think if Vivek had said one more name it would have been yours so don't Don't carry that burden.

00:06:39.000 How do you think that Biden's approach to financing multiple wars has influenced the polls?

00:06:45.000 How do you think the sort of recent military developments in the Middle East have further prohibited free speech around that subject?

00:06:54.000 That's a question for you, Jimmy.

00:06:58.000 You know, it was interesting to me, Russell, that as soon as a left-right coalition was obvious in the United States coming to stop the funding of the war in Ukraine, all of a sudden another war happened and they shifted their attention.

00:07:10.000 And so they're going to get their... It's ongoing wars.

00:07:13.000 As Julian Assange taught us, that these wars aren't meant to be won, these wars are meant to be ongoing.

00:07:18.000 And I think people are starting to wake up to that.

00:07:20.000 And what I like to do is hold people accountable.

00:07:26.000 So accountable for what they say.

00:07:28.000 And so some people think that I'm going hard on Bobby Kennedy.

00:07:33.000 There was no bigger supporter of what Bobby Kennedy's message was, especially around COVID, especially around free speech.

00:07:40.000 Bobby Kennedy said that if you don't have free speech, you don't have a democracy.

00:07:43.000 And I got so excited when I heard him say that.

00:07:46.000 And so now I want to hold him to that.

00:07:48.000 Right?

00:07:48.000 And so, and I want to hold him to his anti-war message because he had a great anti-war message.

00:07:53.000 He told the truth about the CIA.

00:07:55.000 He told the truth about the funding in Ukraine.

00:07:56.000 He told the truth about the proxy war in Russia.

00:07:59.000 And so, I think it's our job in the independent media to hold people to those, to what they say and to those ideals.

00:08:06.000 And so, people are tired of these ongoing wars.

00:08:10.000 People in the, you know, what I like to say is that they sent a hundred billion dollars To Ukraine, which is the most corrupt country in Europe.

00:08:17.000 They sent it there without any oversight.

00:08:19.000 I'm talking about the United States government and without any debate in the United States.

00:08:23.000 If you wanted to give $10 billion to the people in America, which would pay for community college for everybody, that would take a decade or two of debate.

00:08:32.000 You'd have to have op-eds in every New York Times and the Washington Post.

00:08:35.000 Anderson Cooper would have to interview regular people.

00:08:37.000 $10 billion, that's a lot of money.

00:08:39.000 But for $100 billion, to the most corrupt country in Europe without any oversight, it happened in the blink of an eye, and that's how you know it's all corruption.

00:08:47.000 For $100 billion, if we could have spent that money in the United States, they say you could end homelessness in the United States for $20 billion.

00:08:55.000 Let's just say that's true.

00:08:56.000 So for $100 billion, we could have ended homelessness, then started it again, and then said we were just kidding, and then ended it again.

00:09:03.000 And for $100 billion, Russell, don't you think they could have put some money in there for a dog that would lead Joe Biden offstage when he's done giving his speech?

00:09:11.000 It would seem to be a reasonable investment to get some sort of intelligent canine to help him get off the stage and maybe some sort of, I don't know, bird to help him with t-shirts as well, which he seems to struggle with equally.

00:09:24.000 This kind of packaging together of numerous wars, this inability to discuss them, the constant use of pundits on legacy media to advocate for war without declaring their interests and connections, Two military industrial complex companies means that the typical type of discourse is bounded and parametered within very, very narrow lines.

00:09:46.000 Indeed, Christina, how do you feel that some of the candidates that are favoured will respond to being asked questions that are a little more perhaps aggressive coming as they will from Jimmy Dore there, who we know don't hold back.

00:10:02.000 Are you concerned that they may not participate?

00:10:04.000 I mean, we've already kind of ruled out Biden.

00:10:06.000 Do you think Trump will go?

00:10:07.000 Do you think Ron DeSantis will go?

00:10:09.000 Who do you think you need there for this project to be verifiable and to work?

00:10:16.000 Well it's up to the people.

00:10:17.000 The blockchain app powered by Nexus.io launches in January and so you can go on our website freeandequal.org and you can register today for more updates on that app as well as submit a question because we really want to hear from the people.

00:10:31.000 What questions do you want to have?

00:10:33.000 The people are going to vote them in.

00:10:34.000 I think anything is possible.

00:10:36.000 We see a big pushback on even on the ballot access side across the board to keep Trump and even Kennedy, I foresee, off the ballot.

00:10:44.000 And so these gentlemen and many others are going to need an independent platform to be heard.

00:10:49.000 And what separates our debates from the others is that or from the commission on presidential debates is that we use the The League of Women Voters cumulative format.

00:10:58.000 So our debates really engaged more of a conversation, a two-minute opening question, two-minute closing.

00:11:04.000 Each candidate, there's be about five questions or so, has two minutes to respond to each question in order.

00:11:10.000 And they have a certain amount of rebuttals or expansions on questions.

00:11:12.000 So we're here as moderators to listen to the candidates and to learn from them and let the people decide.

00:11:19.000 I think it's possible that anyone can show up at our debates because There's not really many other options right now.

00:11:24.000 We're seeing debate platforms, the few that we have, that are very argumentative, where the candidates are really taking over the debates.

00:11:31.000 And Vivek is right.

00:11:32.000 We need a debate.

00:11:33.000 We're here for unequal elections.

00:11:35.000 This is the debate Vivek and many other candidates are asking for, and we look forward when the people vote them in.

00:11:41.000 I hope, whether it's Bobby, Marianne, Cornel West, Jill Stein, and many more of Vivek, Nikki, whoever it is, they should be there for the people, and we welcome their equally.

00:11:50.000 Independent media has already changed politics.

00:11:54.000 Perhaps it was immediately observable with Trump and Trump's ability to communicate and bypass the legacy media who didn't give him a chance and wouldn't have given him a chance.

00:12:03.000 The rise of candidates like Vivek Ramaswamy is a further example of how independent media can be used to showcase and house new political voices and of course Bobby Kennedy and the way that he's used various podcasts and streamers including us that shows you that independent media is altering the political landscape so a debate like this in a sense is a necessary and natural progression and I think it'll be not easy but I can see how a climate will emerge that if people don't participate in this debate they'll be seen as cowardly

00:12:34.000 Ducking out, avoiding the democracy and the electorate in the ways that they claim not to.

00:12:41.000 They want to be accessible.

00:12:43.000 They want to be accountable.

00:12:44.000 They want to seem like they're participating in this process.

00:12:47.000 Jimmy, how do you feel like independent media has created a new environment for politicians and has created a new class of politicians?

00:12:55.000 Do you think we're at the beginning of this and you'll see new people emerge?

00:12:58.000 And I know it's something I ask you every time I speak to you.

00:13:00.000 Could you see yourself being on the other side of that?

00:13:02.000 Not behind the pulpit, asking the questions and moderating, but standing for some kind of candidacy.

00:13:08.000 Now save the narcissistic bit for the end, Jimmy.

00:13:13.000 Well, to answer your last question first, yes, I was interested in doing that because I think that there needs to be a voice that's not bought by corporations.

00:13:23.000 Or to foreign lobbying groups.

00:13:26.000 And actually just speaks for the people.

00:13:28.000 And I think people are hungry for that.

00:13:29.000 I think that's why you and people like me have a wide... You know, it used to be my audience was just former Bernie Sanders supporters.

00:13:37.000 But now my audience is... I have hippies.

00:13:40.000 You know, when I do live performances, I have hippies come to my shows. 1.00

00:13:43.000 I have guys in three-piece suits.

00:13:45.000 I have former military people.

00:13:46.000 I have elderly people.

00:13:48.000 I have teenagers.

00:13:49.000 I have black, I have white, I have everything.

00:13:51.000 And so that's the kind of thing I think people need right now.

00:13:53.000 Someone that is just speaking to the people and they don't care so much if they agree with me on everything.

00:13:58.000 What they really appreciate, especially with you and people like me and Joe Rogan, is that

00:14:03.000 we're not bought and they can trust that if we're saying something, it's actually coming

00:14:08.000 from our heart and we're not saying it because we took money from someone or we're influenced

00:14:12.000 by some foreign lobby or something like that.

00:14:15.000 So I think that's the big deal.

00:14:17.000 And independent media has, you know, Bobby Kennedy's almost his entire campaign has been

00:14:21.000 fueled by independent media right now, right?

00:14:24.000 So he's making the round on podcasts and he's getting his message out there.

00:14:28.000 And while he just went on PBS the other day, I can't believe they invited him on PBS because

00:14:33.000 I think they wanted to slander him, which they did.

00:14:35.000 I just dropped a video yesterday about it, and of course, Bobby Kennedy's good at that now, and he knows he can seize those smears coming, and he was able to push back on that right away.

00:14:43.000 So, I think independent media is essential, and it is changing the landscape, and that's why they have to have such narrative control, right?

00:14:51.000 And that's why they have to try to discredit people like you and try to discredit people like me and Joe Rogan is because the corporations, all they have is narrative control.

00:15:00.000 And I've said this before.

00:15:01.000 And if they can't control the narrative, then they have to start disappearing people.

00:15:04.000 And that's a lot harder to keep covered up.

00:15:06.000 So independent media is really poking a hole.

00:15:10.000 And by, you know, we have a lot of constant thank God for rumble.

00:15:13.000 Right.

00:15:13.000 And thank God for rumble.

00:15:14.000 And thank God for rumble. 0.68

00:15:16.000 And Rumble's really picking up steam, and a lot of people are finding out about it.

00:15:21.000 And thank God for Rumble, because, you know, YouTube, which is an amazing platform, right?

00:15:27.000 You can get your message out on YouTube like no other social media out there.

00:15:31.000 And it's been a big part of my show, and it's been a big part of Bobby Kennedy's.

00:15:35.000 campaign also, but YouTube is owned by the richest corporation in the history of mankind.

00:15:41.000 It's Google, and they want narrative control, and now they suppress, and the algorithm suppresses

00:15:46.000 people like me and you, and they push people towards what they call reliable news sources,

00:15:53.000 which is just legacy media, which is just the corporate-owned media.

00:15:57.000 And the reason why people came to YouTube in the first place was because they didn't

00:16:01.000 feel like they were getting the truth from those places, because they're funded by the

00:16:04.000 the military industrial complex, Big Pharma, and Wall Street.

00:16:08.000 And everybody knows that now.

00:16:09.000 So they want—the people want an independent voice like ours.

00:16:12.000 And it's actually working.

00:16:14.000 So when it started to really work, it's when they have to start suppressing us, having the algorithm get us also suppressed, and also discrediting us.

00:16:23.000 That's exactly... Look what they did to Joe Rogan.

00:16:25.000 Joe Rogan, he endorsed Bernie Sanders. 0.89

00:16:28.000 He said he would vote for somebody like AOC, and they call him a right-wing crazy.

00:16:31.000 And they call me the same thing.

00:16:33.000 They say the same thing about you.

00:16:34.000 And I say, yeah, I'm into all those crazy right-wing things like, you know, bodily autonomy, which used to be known as my body, my choice.

00:16:41.000 Freedom of speech and anti-censorship used to be a lefty value for as long as I can remember, and I'm anti-war.

00:16:46.000 Those are my three big issues.

00:16:47.000 And Medicare for All.

00:16:49.000 So that always used to be considered staunch lefty positions, and now they slander you and say that you're a right-winger for pushing those things that have been lefty positions my whole life.

00:16:59.000 And people have coalesced around those issues, by the way.

00:17:02.000 Almost everybody is for a version of everything I just said.

00:17:06.000 And even Medicare for All, right?

00:17:08.000 So, depending on the poll and depending on how you ask the questions, somewhere around 70% of even conservative voters want the government to take a bigger role in taking care of healthcare here in the United States.

00:17:19.000 We're the last country in the West that doesn't have healthcare for everybody.

00:17:25.000 Yeah, I'm excited about independent media.

00:17:27.000 I'm super excited about Rumble, and Rumble is really taking off.

00:17:31.000 And Rumble's actually going to be getting their version of advertising, which is what makes YouTube lucrative for people and makes it sustainable for people to do shows like this.

00:17:42.000 So now Rumble's actually going to be able to be doing that going forward, I've been told, by people in the know.

00:17:47.000 So I'm really excited about it, and thank God for Rumble.

00:17:50.000 Yeah, they're broadcasting the presidential debate.

00:17:52.000 Oh, that's right!

00:17:53.000 Yeah, so thanks Rumble so much for supporting this debate.

00:17:56.000 Yeah, they've already agreed to broadcast the presidential debate that we're going to be hosting, so thank God for Rumble.

00:18:03.000 We will thank our Lord God for Rumble.

00:18:06.000 I thank God for Rumble most days, man.

00:18:09.000 And it's exciting that this is going to be on Rumble and it's going to be funded by people.

00:18:15.000 Funded, you say, through blockchain technologies to ensure, I suppose, that there will be no topics That are off limits.

00:18:23.000 Now, we've talked a lot about the pandemic, and we've talked about what's been revealed by the pandemic, the convergence of pharmaceutical interests, the corruption, the ineffective measures that have been undertaken, the inability to communicate openly around them, the censorship.

00:18:37.000 Do you feel, Christina, that this is one of the subjects that will be covered?

00:18:42.000 And how much are you planning to curate and control the content or Are you saying that all of it will be directed by the people that are funding it, which means, you know, the people that can contribute through blockchain?

00:18:55.000 I'm glad you asked that.

00:18:56.000 We plan to ask the people to do a poll through our blockchain app, not only to vote in the top six candidates, but what questions.

00:19:03.000 And that's why we're asking them to submit questions today and sign up for more information for the blockchain app at freeandequal.org.

00:19:11.000 So the people will decide a couple of the questions, I think at least two of the five, and then the moderators Jimmy Dore here, and hopefully Joe Rogan.

00:19:20.000 Please reach out and ask him to be a part of this debate.

00:19:23.000 They can have say on the other questions, and they'll be hard-hitting questions.

00:19:27.000 So, truly, all the topics that you mentioned and more.

00:19:30.000 This is actually a presidential debate series, so this is a kickoff for a series.

00:19:34.000 We're going to have quite a few debates into 2024.

00:19:38.000 So, this is the beginning.

00:19:39.000 I couldn't be more honored than kicking it off with Jimmy.

00:19:42.000 The way to make this happen is the people who are funding it.

00:19:45.000 We raised $10K.

00:19:46.000 Thank you, Jimmy, for promoting our campaign at freeandequal.org.

00:19:50.000 Please go at freeandequal.org today and donate so we can hit that $30,000.

00:19:54.000 It's going to take six figures to really lock it in at XR Studios.

00:19:59.000 What a venue.

00:20:00.000 So, thank you so much, Russell, again, for both of you gentlemen using your platform to make You're already making real change in the world, but now taking it to a presidential debate and bringing these candidates together.

00:20:12.000 I'm excited to learn and bring these ideas together, and thank you, gentlemen, for all the work that you do in overcoming these odds, because they are intentionally trying to censor you.

00:20:22.000 And what's brewing here at freeandequal.org is a bigger vision.

00:20:26.000 It's truly an independent movement building, and I can go into greater detail another time.

00:20:31.000 Uh, but there are more independent voters and there are Democrats and Republicans, and I have seen this being in the electoral arena for 25 years.

00:20:38.000 I'm 42 years old now, and I've seen it.

00:20:41.000 The restrictive ballot access barriers that we don't have alternative voting methods.

00:20:44.000 We need to open the presidential debates.

00:20:47.000 And so there's a bigger vision here and I look forward to working both with you both of you long term to really bring about free and equal elections not only throughout the United States the whole world is watching and we when we unite all doesn't matter whether you're from Israel or Palestine or Ukraine or Russia when we all all different genders and races together And recognize when we unite here in America, the whole world will follow.

00:21:10.000 And I see the Democrats and Republicans, I see beyond party lines, uh, there being more independent voters being peacefully, peacefully replaced into the really flowing into the congressional races into 2026.

00:21:21.000 So this is an exciting year, uh, for independence.

00:21:25.000 And I see all the candidates, whoever's running for president, there's over 150 candidates running for president.

00:21:31.000 That's amazing.

00:21:32.000 And I hope all of them consider running for Congress in 2026.

00:21:36.000 That's fantastic, Christina.

00:21:37.000 So go to Free and Equal to contribute and ensure that this debate takes place, that you'll be able to watch on Rumble.

00:21:44.000 Let us know in the chat right now what subjects you want to see debated by presidential candidates.

00:21:50.000 Do you want to talk about the Ukraine war?

00:21:52.000 Do you want to see about how war is being funded?

00:21:54.000 Do you want to talk about legacy media and censorship?

00:21:55.000 Do you want to talk about the pandemic?

00:21:58.000 Someone says, please don't ask Russell to moderate.

00:21:59.000 His questions are longer than the answers.

00:22:01.000 You're going to have trouble with Jimmy Dore, let me tell you.

00:22:01.000 Very fair.

00:22:04.000 There's not going to be many five word questions from the man Dore.

00:22:08.000 I'll tell you that right now.

00:22:09.000 Jimmy, when we talk, often what you say is the thing they fear the most is people coming together beyond political categorisations, beyond cultural divisions.

00:22:20.000 How are you going to frame that in what is, to some degree, sure to be a partisan endeavour?

00:22:27.000 So there's no doubt that the corporate media here, at least in the United States, they report.

00:22:33.000 So we used to have 50 giant media companies in America when I was a kid.

00:22:37.000 And then in 1996, Bill Clinton, who was a tool of the establishment and a tool of Wall Street and a tool of the military-industrial complex, He took us down from 50 giant media companies and now there's just six in the United States.

00:22:52.000 So now it's just every newspaper, every TV show, every radio show, everything you see is controlled by just a handful of billionaires and the same kind of handful of billionaires that Run the entire world.

00:23:06.000 And they report every story in a way that takes your eye off the ball.

00:23:11.000 They report every story that makes you blame your neighbor and hate your neighbor for the pain you're feeling.

00:23:16.000 Like, you know, during COVID, they did a lockdown.

00:23:20.000 The billionaire class did a lockdown that smashed and crushed people.

00:23:25.000 They did a controlled demolition of our economy and it made about 400 new billionaires, but

00:23:30.000 everybody else felt the pain from that.

00:23:32.000 And now they want me to blame my neighbor for the pain that I'm feeling economically

00:23:37.000 because of what the billionaire in the establishment class did.

00:23:40.000 They want me to blame my neighbor and hate my neighbor because they wouldn't take a vaccine

00:23:44.000 that didn't work the way they said it did in the first place.

00:23:46.000 Well, I'm not going to hate my neighbor.

00:23:48.000 I'm going to love my neighbor.

00:23:50.000 And I'm going to join with my neighbor against those oligarchs because that's the only thing that scares them to see people from the left, the right, and the center coming together to coalesce around a common enemy.

00:24:01.000 And that common enemy is the oligarch.

00:24:02.000 And you know, the United States is not a democracy.

00:24:05.000 That's what the Democrats like to say right now.

00:24:07.000 Well, you have to keep voting for Dementor Joe so that you've got to save your democracy. 0.98

00:24:11.000 Democracy's on the ballot.

00:24:13.000 Hey, your democracy was stolen from you decades ago.

00:24:15.000 Princeton study 10 years ago proved that we don't live in a democracy, that we live in an actual oligarchy, and your vote actually doesn't matter right now because they do.

00:24:24.000 You know, when the Iraq war was happening, there were millions and millions of people in the street.

00:24:29.000 Millions of people in the street around the world.

00:24:30.000 Didn't make a difference.

00:24:31.000 They got their war.

00:24:32.000 Famously, Leslie Stahl was interviewing Dick Cheney, and she said, you know, three-quarters of the American people are against this Iraq war.

00:24:39.000 And his response to that was, so what?

00:24:41.000 And so that's what the corporate media does.

00:24:44.000 The corporate media makes us blame each other, turn on each other.

00:24:48.000 Right now, the corporate media in America makes you think that your neighbor is your enemy, that half the country, the same country that elected an African-American, Barack Obama, twice, somehow they became the most racist country in the world.

00:25:01.000 All they talk about is racism, racism, racism.

00:25:04.000 And racism has gotten better and better and better every year of my life, to the point that we elected Barack Obama twice.

00:25:10.000 And so, but they want you to think half the country's racist.

00:25:13.000 They want you to think that the truckers in Canada are Nazis.

00:25:16.000 You know, that's the thing about, that's the beauty of how their corporate propaganda works and the beauty of them having only six companies, right?

00:25:24.000 Because now everybody who works in the media knows that they can't step out of line because there's nowhere else to go to get a job.

00:25:30.000 And so the power of that propaganda, it makes people in America, we can't tell the difference between a Nazi and a freedom fighter.

00:25:36.000 We look at the truckers who are freedom fighters.

00:25:38.000 By the way, the truckers We're vaccinated at a higher rate than the general population in Canada.

00:25:43.000 They weren't protesting medicine. 0.68

00:25:45.000 They were protesting bullshit authoritarianism, and they were right, and they were freedom fighters. 0.97

00:25:50.000 And in America, we can't tell the difference between a freedom fighter and a Nazi because the corporate media tells us they're Nazis. 0.92

00:25:55.000 So we look at the freedom fighting truckers, and we call them Nazis, and we look at actual Nazis in Ukraine, and we call them freedom fighters.

00:26:02.000 And so that's what we're pushing back against, and that's what they're afraid of.

00:26:05.000 They're afraid of voices like mine, voices like yours, that actually tell you that up is down and black is white.

00:26:11.000 That's what the corporate media tells you.

00:26:12.000 Whatever the corporate media is telling you, the exact opposite is usually true.

00:26:16.000 And so that is the only thing that scares them, is when people come together along class lines and not political partisan lines.

00:26:23.000 That's what scares them, and that's what they're determined to keep us divided.

00:26:29.000 They're determined to keep us blaming each other, and not only that, but hating each other and fearing our neighbor.

00:26:34.000 And let's remember, the people who run this country, the billionaire class, they don't care if there's a civil war in our country.

00:26:40.000 Chaos always favors the establishment.

00:26:43.000 And then if you get afraid of your neighbor, and your neighbor's a Nazi, and your neighbor's a white supremacist, That, oh, you're going to be begging for the government to come in and provide security for you and take away more civil liberties and your freedoms.

00:26:57.000 You know, they used 9-11 to pass a thing called the Patriot Act.

00:27:00.000 How Orwellian is that?

00:27:02.000 The Patriot Act turned the United States into a surveillance state.

00:27:05.000 So now every email and every phone call and every text you send, they are monitoring.

00:27:10.000 And then Barack Obama, he repealed habeas corpus.

00:27:14.000 So now you don't have a right to a speedy trial, and all they have to do is say you're a terrorist to do it, and they'll do that, right?

00:27:19.000 And Barack Obama, his whole entire cabinet came from one email from Citigroup, which is Wall Street, right?

00:27:27.000 So he was a puppet of Wall Street and everybody knows it, and the reason I know his entire cabinet came from that was because Julian Assange revealed that in WikiLeaks, which is why they've been trying to kill that guy and demonize him since he did that.

00:27:38.000 And so, I'll just end it there.

00:27:41.000 Oh wow!

00:27:42.000 I tell you what, this is going to be a presidential debate with a real difference.

00:27:45.000 It will be on Rumble.

00:27:46.000 To make it happen, please visit freeandequal.org and participate by suggesting subjects, by donating.

00:27:54.000 It's a pretty low threshold financially, but a very high threshold spiritually and in terms of its authenticity and integrity.

00:28:02.000 Just to see Jimmy Dore in front of people, running for president, asking the kind of questions that Jimmy Dore asks is surely Worth making the donation for, but could you blame them if they were terrified to face those kind of questions?

00:28:15.000 I don't know.

00:28:15.000 Do you think they got the minerals, the stones, the courage to face Jimmy Dore?

00:28:20.000 Well, put them in that position by making your donation.

00:28:22.000 Go to freeandequal.org.

00:28:23.000 We'll put that in the chat.

00:28:26.000 Thank you, both of you.

00:28:27.000 Christina, thank you for your bravery and ingenuity.

00:28:29.000 In coming up with that idea and for having such a fantastic host as Jimmy to ensure that we will deliver on the premise.

00:28:36.000 Jimmy, thanks as always for being an advocate for people coming together against real power and for being a man of true integrity.

00:28:42.000 I really value you.

00:28:44.000 Thank you so much, both of you.

00:28:46.000 Thank you very much for having us and giving us your platform and stay free.

00:28:49.000 Thank you, Russell.

00:28:50.000 Stay free, Jimmy.

00:28:51.000 Stay free, Christina.

00:28:52.000 Thank you so much for coming in.

00:28:53.000 What an amazing conversation that was.

00:28:55.000 So yeah, we're posting that now.

00:28:56.000 So support it through blockchain, support it in any way you can.

00:29:00.000 One of the things I didn't have time to talk to Jimmy and Christina about was, look, check this out.

00:29:05.000 Hillary Clinton, George Bush, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, John Fetterman.

00:29:09.000 What do they all have in common?

00:29:12.000 None of them will talk about peace.

00:29:14.000 None of them will talk about a ceasefire.

00:29:16.000 Have you noticed now that legacy media won't even discuss that possibility when it comes to the Middle Eastern conflict?

00:29:23.000 Those ideas are off the table, off the agenda.

00:29:26.000 We have to find ways to come together.

00:29:29.000 We have to listen to voices that advocate for peace.

00:29:32.000 We have to provide an environment where those that are caught up in the mad heartbreak and bereavement of insanity and war are able to be held.

00:29:43.000 Join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, oh no, we'd never insult you with that, but for more of the different.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - November 17, 2023

Jimmy Dore - On 2024 Election, RFK Jr, GOP Debate & WAR!!

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