00:00:09.000Like, when have you ever heard of jury members before?
00:00:11.000We're talking about Netanyahu being out hacking your phone, Peter Thiel saying that evil can be good, like that South Park song, Without evil, there'd be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes.
00:00:21.000Also, I'll be talking to my mate Dustin Tavella.
00:00:59.000Hello, and welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:01:01.000Did any of you notice what a wonderful song that? Was and that it was written by Jake Smith.
00:01:05.000How about a round of applause for Jake Smith, a fantastic musician, and so much more?
00:01:12.000I don't know if you've been following the Lindsay Clancy case.
00:01:16.000You have been because it's unavoidable, because it's a psyop designed to turn people against one another on the most basic and fundamental issues of human life and human behavior.
00:01:28.000On the one hand, how to raise children, on the other hand, how to deal with the fact that raising children is incredibly difficult, that postpartum stress and depression and mental illness are Real things, and that people have different cultural backgrounds and different perspectives, but perhaps more significantly still, and this is the kicker, that the state are increasingly trying to make themselves the arbiters of literal life and death.
00:01:50.000Well, I suppose because of the emphasis, onus, and focus on things like euthanasia, controlled suicide type situations, the abortion issue, which people can be killed, war.
00:02:01.000All of these things indicate to me that the state is no longer interested in governance when it comes to just rational, material, mechanical matters, but they're interested in.
00:02:10.000Ontology, the science of being itself.
00:02:13.000They want to be in charge of beingness.
00:02:15.000So, something like the judiciary, where we attempt to deal with concepts like truth and justice, concepts which, by the way, are impossible and meaningless without God.
00:02:22.000You can't have truth and justice if there is no God.
00:02:24.000All you can have is just chaos arbitrarily over time, producing consciousness and life ultimately rushing nowhere for no reason.
00:02:32.000So, hey, do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
00:02:34.000Do you see the connection between chaos and crime?
00:02:38.000Do you see the chaos, the connection between Chaos and evil.
00:02:43.000Do you see the obvious connection that if you don't have a divine principle, what you're going to have in the end is more and more chaos?
00:02:49.000Anyway, it turns out that the lone juror who, like, prevented Lindsay Clancy from being, I suppose, kind of, I don't know what the right legal terminology would be, but they nearly said that she couldn't be convicted on the basis of temporary insanity, but for this lone juror.
00:03:07.000Now, like, in a way, I'm not so caught up in the mechanics.
00:03:12.000I'm more interested in why this case has become so prominent and what you think it's doing in the culture.
00:03:20.000Why would this idea be, why is this case and this matter being so heavily promoted?
00:03:26.000First of all, let's have a look at the now famous lone juror, African American fella and Catholic who, like, just, I don't know, I don't say stuck to his guns, stuck to his principles, didn't go with the prevailing position of the rest of the jury.
00:04:42.000I want to thank God for my Catholic faith.
00:04:44.000I want to thank God for blessing me with the ability to love my daughter.
00:04:48.000I would like to thank every individual that has supported me throughout this difficult situation.
00:04:53.000Your prayers, your emotional support, your psychological support is tremendous to my heart that I feel, that I sense, that I know.
00:05:03.000I do want to thank you from the bottom of my heart.
00:05:06.000Like, what I'll say is this if you ever want to measure the negative and contaminating impact of fame, watch a video like that where you see a person who's just trying to live their life, gets a letter in the mail or whatever you get saying you've been selected for jury service and then participates in jury service.
00:05:24.000And then, like, months or six months or a year later, I don't know how long the trial and the surrounding administration around the trial was, finds themselves on Sean Hannity's show having to thank people for their prayers.
00:05:35.000Deal with the idea of murdered children.
00:05:38.000I mean, like the whole system that we're living within now is so measurably insane that anything other than a radical re evaluation is deck chair Titanic stuff, isn't it?
00:05:51.000Like, do, am I right in my strong assertion that if we don't break up the machinery of government, do not, and simultaneously mitigate the impact of global commerce and global bureaucracy, we're all.
00:06:10.000You can tell that AI or superintelligence, as Donald Trump now wants us to call it, has numerous potentially benevolent and beneficial applications.
00:06:22.000All things have potentially benevolent and beneficial applications.
00:06:26.000But plainly, as with the industrial revolution and the agricultural revolution, the technological revolution is being used to aggregate populations, diminish the power of ordinary people, and ensure that an entrenched elite.
00:06:40.000Can maintain control with the merest metronomic illusion of you could vote for those, or you could vote for those, or you could vote for those, or you could blame that person, or you could blame that person.
00:06:51.000And until we're willing to break out of that kind of rhythmic idiocy of bipartisan politics, in a way, we deserve to live in an open prison, which is basically what you live in now.
00:07:05.000And if you want to check that policy, then just look at what you're able to say and what you're able not to say.
00:07:12.000Some of us don't know where the chain is, how long the chain is, because we don't test it.
00:07:17.000But if you just think about what happened during COVID, just think about the period post 9 11, it will become increasingly evident to you that this is a system that takes a committed and decent Catholic person and turns them into someone that's having an odd existential crisis because of exposure, not just to the judiciary institutions that he's just been chewed up by, but the media institutions that he will be chewed up by.
00:07:41.000Because as sure as, you know, I'm in Florida right now, so I bet everyone thinks he's fantastic in this room.
00:07:49.000But if we were doing this somewhere in New York, people would be like, oh no, that, I don't know, misogynist.
00:07:54.000I don't know how people, the various ways that people find to hate one another, but people have got really novel ways of hating each other.
00:08:01.000Now, the kind of sophistry and causistry that allows that is evident in the practice of law.
00:08:07.000As I was once told, you've got to stop thinking of legal cases as being about truth and justice, Russell.
00:11:17.000I understand, I don't understand everything, but everything kind of makes sense now.
00:11:22.000That you are saved, that I am saved, that there is some peculiar paradox taking place within us even now, where if we are willing to turn away from the world and from want and from self and towards this great and radiant and available light, Things like these peculiar systems, wood panelled walls and men in gowns with heavy frowns pontificating and contemplating the unknowable.
00:11:47.000Hmm, truth, justice, plucking out our chins.
00:12:08.000Benjamin Netanyahu, some might say he's a dangerous war criminal, gloating about how Israel can paint anybody as an enemy by hacking into their cell phones.
00:12:19.000Now, one Some of you will have seen films about Nosferatu.
00:12:25.000Now, in a sense, what I want to say, I don't know Benjamin Netanyahu, and I'm never going to meet him.
00:12:33.000But I do sometimes think that there's a sort of a weird, mad, eerie darkness.
00:12:39.000And when I think about it, let me just say about this about my country.
00:12:42.000My country, England, where I'm from, and the English people, I'm talking about the ordinary men and women of England, men and women that serve in the military, that work in supermarkets, that maybe work as doctors.
00:12:52.000Doctors and nurses drive trucks, have regular jobs, care about their kids, school teachers, whatever.
00:12:59.000They are not the government of the United Kingdom.
00:13:02.000The government of the United Kingdom is corrupt and is alloyed to sets of global bureaucratic interests that, it seems to me, are heavily invested in the managed decline of Britain and the further enslavement of the British population using distraction, division, confusion, all the usual techniques.
00:13:22.000So that's me, a person who loves England, talking about the difference between.
00:13:26.000The English people and the English government.
00:13:30.000Is it possible that the Hebrew people, the people in Israel, might be different from the Israel government?
00:13:38.000And is it anti Semitic to suggest anything other than their country, like yours, like mine, is controlled by a corrupt government hell bent on evil?
00:13:56.000You're not immune either because you can penetrate.
00:14:01.000This machine, you can penetrate this little instrument, and you can say about Major Garrett anything you want, and I can paint you as a monster.
00:14:11.000And if I say it often enough, enough people will believe it.
00:14:17.000What I really like is the actual reach into the guy's personal space.
00:14:21.000The idea that information is controlled by powerful interests, that the media is corrupt and more interested in lying to you than telling you the truth, that Big Pharma is corrupt.
00:14:31.000And more interested in keeping you sick than making you better.
00:14:34.000That big food is corrupt and more interested in filling you with calories that are going to make you sick rather than make you healthy.
00:14:40.000All these peculiar inversions are accepted to us now, even in easy idioms like junk food.
00:14:49.000You just say it, you don't think about junk food.
00:14:52.000You're eating something that you should be throwing away.
00:14:56.000We have been trained to hate ourselves, we have been trained to accept ignorance.
00:15:02.000Trained, coaxed like seals, or like a difficult, recalcitrant small studio audience being encouraged to clap and laugh once in a while to create a little bit of atmosphere.0.99
00:15:15.000We've suffered a kind of Pavlovian induction into warped idiocy.0.97
00:15:21.000But even still, to see Netanyahu in plain sight reach over, take a journalist's phone, and just tell him there and then to his face, we can destroy you whenever we want.0.99
00:15:33.000You know that Edward Snowden is a hero and he's living in Russia for telling the truth.
00:15:37.000You know that Julian Assange was incarcerated in my country for 10 years in various ways without trial because he was telling the truth about powerful people.
00:15:46.000And the mistake Julian Assange made, the mistake he made in his valor and his honesty was he criticized both the Republican Party and the Democrat Party.
00:15:54.000And on balance, if you care, it was the Democrat Party, if you ask me, that went further to hound that man into the ground.
00:16:01.000And, you know, if recent revelations are to be believed, Hillary Clinton advocated for his murder by the deep state.
00:16:10.000That's the kind of stuff we're just used to.
00:16:12.000The same way as you're just used to, if you call a number to solve a problem with a utility bill, They're gonna keep you on the phone for ages.
00:19:51.000Any system that you have, any system that you have in your own life, if you've got a job or something, is there like a way you clean your teeth?
00:19:58.000You live in a system, it requires unconsciousness.
00:20:01.000That's the opposite of what you're supposed to be doing.
00:20:03.000You're supposed to be being transformed by the renewing of your mind.
00:20:05.000You're supposed to be never letting go of the hand of God.
00:20:08.000In every single moment that you're alive, whatever is in front of you, you must receive as from Him.
00:20:14.000Every moment, not, oh, over there, that's nice, I like that, that's from God, I don't like that, that's not.
00:20:20.000Every moment, you never ever leave his gaze, not for a second do you allow him to take it away.
00:20:25.000He'll do what he's going to do, but you don't, you stay there, face to face with the living God.
00:20:30.000And you might think, I don't know what you might think, but if you don't do that, what's going to happen is you're going to be captured, sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, by seductive forces that want to destroy you.
00:20:39.000It might happen through like Haribo, or it might happen through heroin, but it all ends the same way.
00:20:44.000You on the floor begging in terrible convulsions.
00:21:39.000Interestingly, he said that it's got anti as a prefix there because anti Christ, I can feel that looming presence.
00:21:45.000And he's got, like, a tendency to talk about that stuff, doesn't he?
00:21:48.000Peter Teal is fascinated by it, but he is a Catholic.
00:21:51.000So, that's, you know, the Lord must be with.
00:21:53.000Him surely, surely, when he's taking the communion, when he's eating the body and the blood, surely the Lord is with him.
00:21:58.000Now, when he says like a Ferrari is an evil car, what he's saying is it's a machine that's so beautiful, so slick, so functional, but sort of it's a rare beast in a way.
00:22:08.000Ferrari, you know, you don't want to drive the things to the shops.
00:22:10.000I've only driven a luxury car one time and I crashed it in a single block of having received it because that's what you do, isn't it?
00:22:18.000You're like, I had it like that, I've changed lanes and we fucked it for life, like, we gave it back to the rear, it was only alone, it weren't mine.
00:22:25.000Give it back to people, and like I was getting letters about it for about five years.0.85
00:22:29.000That block, and that's actually the story of my life, man.
00:22:32.000One ride in a luxury vehicle, then letters about it for the rest of my life.
00:22:36.000The machine is an evil, broken, messed up machine, especially if you don't ride it correctly.
00:22:42.000So, like, my man there, Peter Thiel, yes, of course, a Ferrari, like, he's also.
00:22:47.000Do you see what the imagery is loaded with?
00:22:49.000He's telling you there's a kind of excellence in Enzo Ferrari's magnificent machine, and in the East German state.
00:22:56.000Managed thing, there's no ingenuity, and it's an awful vehicle when it gets miles for the gallon or whatever.
00:23:00.000But never yield to the idea that human excellence is anything if decoupled from God's grace.
00:23:08.000All it will lead to are towers of Babel, impotence, recklessness, and hopelessness, and an eventual deluge of some kind.
00:23:18.000It's a flood of information, attention, and information, consciousness.
00:23:23.000As they attempt to concoct consciousness from machinery, they create a second flood.
00:23:29.000One wonders what coffin, ark, tabernacle, what temporary dwelling we will abide in in order to survive this deluge.
00:23:36.000But we know that encased in Christ, we may survive the forthcoming flood.
00:23:41.000We may survive the forthcoming flood if we accept the invitation.
00:23:46.000See, then, what I suppose is that you can't get involved in the Machiavellian and Machiavel.
00:23:53.000He advised to like one of the dynasties in Italy when before Italy was Italy, it was a bunch of warring states, and there were the Medicis and all these the mercantile classes rose up with new wealth, like a kind of in a sense, big tech oligarchs are now.
00:24:11.000Sophagery is the Capacity to use reason and language to create ideas that seem appealing when in fact they're bollocks, to use a pretty little English word.
00:24:21.000And it's bollocks that advanced evil is better than mundanity.
00:24:27.000Here are the options the spirit hovered above the water.
00:24:32.000You require a principle, and unless you apply the principle of God or good, which you know for now, whatever words you prefer, the chaos may incline towards good or it may incline towards evil.
00:24:42.000You don't get like a badge and a Candy bar, if you master evil and use evil effectively, you're working for Satan.
00:27:03.000But when people say stuff like, it's called a false dichotomy, is when you're offered two choices, like, you know, people do with parenting, innit?
00:27:14.000Who would you like to clean your teeth?
00:27:15.000Are you going to clean your teeth or do you want daddy to clean your teeth?1.00
00:27:18.000But my kids have already seen past false dichotomies and they've learned, like, shortcuts, like, fuck you!1.00
00:27:24.000Like, you know, because I trained them too young to reject authority and now I'm.1.00
00:28:00.000No, you can just sit down quietly for a while and.
00:28:04.000See, I suppose it's not surprising that people have forgotten that life is sacred because everywhere we look, the sacred has been either harnessed or sheathed.
00:28:13.000Harnessed, I don't mean harnessed as in.
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00:35:11.000We just wait till, because of social media, people get so sick of a leader that the system, the establishment, has to just replace them.
00:35:19.000Like, we've had in the last, I think in the last 10 years, we've had seven Prime Ministers and an electoral term, like your lovely country that you stole from us, is meant to be.
00:35:58.000All right, so listen, Andy Burnham, current president, king, prime minister, I don't know the words, for England, says he's going to build the Britain his dad wanted to see.
00:36:08.000Now, for me, that sounds like the kind of mawkish propaganda that.
00:36:13.000But Britain is a country adrift and bereft, broken and in serious trouble.
00:36:20.000He's the seventh Prime Minister in 10 years.
00:36:23.000The one before him, Keir Starmer, left under a kind of, I don't know, sort of an obscure fugue of controversy and dissatisfaction.
00:36:31.000People baffled, rent boys, arson attacks, weird stuff and rumours.
00:36:37.000But ultimately, the problem in the UK appears to be whoever you vote for, you get the government.
00:36:43.000And if voting changed anything, They'd abolish it, and it doesn't matter if you get the Conservative Party, that's the one on the right, or the Labour Party, that's the one on the left.
00:36:50.000Andy Burnham happens to be a Labour Prime Minister who was the mayor of Greater Manchester, who, after winning a seat in our equivalent of Congress, Parliament, was made the leader of the party without really having an election.
00:37:03.000Clearly, they saw that local election win as a kind of mandate, a sufficient mandate to make him the leader of the Labour Party.
00:37:09.000Anyway, that's what British politics is now.
00:37:12.000But why it's relevant to you as Americans, because I'm going to assume you're America, because we're all Americans now, baby, really, because you are Rome, you are Rome.
00:37:19.000Why it's relevant is because in the COVID era, you may have noticed that whoever real power is, and gosh, what a question that is, it seems that countries like Canada, Australia, and now I'm sad to say the UK are used to pilot ideas that will become broad and endemic.
00:37:37.000I.e., in Canada, during those trucker protests, get that noise, someone please.
00:37:42.000In Canada, the trucker protests, do you remember during the trucker protests, they shut down the bank accounts of people that donated to the trucker protests?
00:37:53.000And in Australia, they were starting internment camps for people that were disobedient around vaccines.
00:37:58.000In my country, what they seem to be doing is increasing migration and social tension, in addition to introducing facial recognition technology and eagerly looking for an excuse to introduce digital ID.0.50
00:38:12.000These will ultimately be coming to America unless you stay American, unless you do what you have done, I think, in Florida when people introduce cameras, people take construction machines out into the street and saw through those things.
00:38:24.000Man, There's some things I love about your country, and that's one of them that you are willing to take the power back, that you haven't been totally kowtowed, that just somewhere in your genetic memory is the idea of what freedom is.
00:38:37.000And it's not a perfect country, and it's a country like any that's got scars on its back.
00:38:41.000But as long as you remember who the real king is, I think there's a way back for your beautiful nation.
00:38:46.000Let's have a look at Andy Burnham, who I happen to believe might be an alright guy in some kind of way, but the system is double-double effed, so that could be the problem.
00:39:18.000You can see, like, you know how dads in adverts in our lifetime went from being sort of leaders in families to being sort of casually mocked and emasculated, and as your beloved Mr. Rogers would say, human dignity.
00:39:44.000But when sport becomes people just smashing each other in the face or puking up on one another or celebrities doing crazy stuff, you recognize that what they're doing is the destruction of Imacho Dei, the destruction of the image of God.
00:39:56.000When you desecrate human beings and make us about nothing but sex and consuming and idiocy and violence, you rob us of our potency.
00:40:03.000To say that there ain't an aspect of angelic power that is organized towards conflict or indeed erotica, but these things desacralized are dark indeed.0.97
00:40:14.000Now, what our man there, and I mentioned the advert thing because he's like a dad from an advert, and he's like a dad from a cornflakes advert of like, oh, bloody hell, kids, what's going on?
00:40:22.000While the wife does the, you know, presumably mixed race, you know, because they want to hit as many different graphics as possible.0.95
00:40:28.000The mixed race wife's like, he's really in charge and goes, here, Andy, why don't you go out and govern Turk country?0.96
00:40:34.000So you hit as many people as possible, and the dad's glumping like a dad in a six.1.00
00:40:38.000Like Homer Simpson, not even Al Bundy.
00:40:40.000Like, his flies undone, daddy's flies undone, daddy's lost his hat.
00:40:45.000The great emasculation reaches its peak.
00:40:51.000There he is, up in the attic, totally lost, somewhat shy and all.
00:40:56.000What I'm noticing with Andy Burnham is I think he's probably a pretty sweet human being, a pretty decent human being, but he's in the system now.
00:41:05.000And we just saw what your system can do to a previously anonymous juror.
00:42:32.000If you watch normal TV, the adverts look like Instagram now because they've worked out it's the most effective way that people respond more to Instagram adverts.
00:43:13.000If you desacralize through industrialization, if you desacralize through agriculture, if you strip nature of God's majesty, Everything's just a resource.
00:43:22.000Even if you're Greta Thunberg, it's just, you know, we've got to save that stuff we eat and live on.
00:43:29.000You are God's children, God's stewards, with a command, with a commission, with a great role to play.
00:43:34.000And every day, they further strip us of our dignity.
00:43:39.000Blessedly, you can rely on the comments section to overcome the mawkish sentimentality of the rhetoric of government.
00:43:46.000And let's see what some people are saying.
00:43:48.000Whistleblower on X. Surely your dad didn't want to see lawless Islamic third world Britain that's riddled with religious sectarianism and unsafe for women and girls, Andy.1.00
00:43:57.000A bankrupt Britain, sorry for Burpin, I won't go on about it this time, that leaves generations burdened.1.00
00:45:20.000So, like, in case you, maybe you, like me, are waiting for some sort of Rocky Balboa great white hope to emerge in the world of politics, regardless of their color or religion or identity, in fact, just someone that seems authentic and real.
00:45:34.000And maybe Andy Burnham having an accent and being a nice enough bloke will be enough to.
00:45:59.000But let me be clear where I can't agree with others, I will fight hard for what I believe to be right and what I believe to be in the best interests of this country.
00:48:11.000So small that people would have to unpack and debag their beast of burden camels in order for the camel to pass through the eye of a needle.
00:48:34.000And I bet when you look at the Greek or the Aramaic, that he would have said it in.
00:48:37.000But do you know what I always thought of it as?
00:48:39.000And when I've heard it before, was simply that it's difficult because it's got, you have to navigate, you're going at a level and you have to navigate a hump to get it through one shape.
00:48:51.000Oh, like it's one of those things at church fair.
00:49:16.000Fire him through like a double slit experiment.
00:49:18.000Bamba da bamba da bamba da bamba, wave and pop.
00:49:20.000Genuinely, whenever I've heard that, even in the last couple of days when we mentioned this or yesterday, I've been imagining it like that game going through the thing.
00:51:17.000My parents, when I was young, broke at home, crazy, crazy, wild.
00:51:21.000Problems in their marriage based around most probably marriages in America, unfortunately, drugs, sex, partying, all the things that we think.
00:51:29.000Well, hold on, my marriage ain't like that.
00:51:32.000Drugs, sex, it's a chance to be a fine thing.
00:51:35.000We're lucky if we do a Christian podcast once a week.1.00
00:51:38.000Yeah, yeah, it'll be just like that.0.96
00:51:39.000I think that, like, for me, when I was young, I watched my parents' marriage completely falling apart.
00:51:45.000And the world would define this as hopeless.
00:51:47.000And I love so many of the things that you've been talking about as you talk about reality and what it means to actually see things.
00:51:54.000Jesus sees because he knows that his reality is shapeable, right?
00:51:57.000So when the world defines something as hopeless, in the eyes of God, it's not.
00:52:02.000And I saw two people without money, without a nonprofit, without anything spectacular.
00:52:07.000They showed up in my parents' lives, helped them get sober, helped them get back on their feet just by spending time with us.
00:52:13.000They'd go with my dad to Walmart, they'd take us to fairs.
00:52:15.000I remember I got a stomach ache one time from eating too much funnel cake at a fair, and they prayed for me, which was weird because I thought prayer was like that's a thing you do at church or before bed.
00:52:24.000We're praying at a fair, and I didn't get healed.
00:52:26.000My stomach ache didn't go away, but that wasn't the point.
00:52:29.000The point was that they prayed in a public place.
00:52:31.000I'm like, I didn't know you could talk to Jesus here.
00:52:34.000And, um, yeah, and also like that they cared enough, you know, that they like love you.
00:52:38.000Like, because what you're describing really is people coming into your life and being radically loving.
00:52:43.000Yeah, like my parents' broken marriage was their fault.
00:52:46.000My stomach ache from funnel cake was what is funnel cake?
00:53:18.000But again, it wasn't about the healing.
00:53:19.000It was the idea of watching them engage with the Lord in a place that was just public and not churchy, right?
00:53:25.000There's other people puking from rides, other people who are sick.
00:53:29.000And I'm sitting here being picked up by porta potties, right?
00:53:34.000And so I think that kind of sent me on this journey of realizing that relationship with the Lord wasn't really defined by a set of qualifications, right?
00:53:43.000The people who helped us understand who Jesus was, they just showed up and they had eyes to see hope when there wasn't hope, when the world said that there wasn't a hope.
00:53:51.000And I think that's where, for me, as a magician and as an illusionist, that's always the underlying message is like, what I do, it's tricks, it's illusions, but there's a very real magic that exists in the world.
00:54:01.000And that was the first time I experienced it.
00:54:28.000And now be staying in the constant contact with Jesus.
00:54:31.000Anyway, so my problem with magic is that, as you've just described it, it's about illusions and sometimes deception and sometimes just skullduggery and downright trickery.
00:54:39.000And when I think about it in scripture, in Acts, they have to shut one down, don't they?
00:54:42.000They have to shut a magician down there.
00:54:45.000He had to shut them down or the pharaohs.
00:54:48.000And indeed, even Peter Thiel in the clip earlier in the show talks about how, in the Faust myths, when differently told by Goethe or Marlowe, are an indication of the devil's deceptiveness.
00:55:02.000So, how are you going to use your magic for good and not for evil, Dustin?
00:55:07.000So, the first part, I do think magic can be very interruptive, which is why I don't like the walk around casual magic.
00:55:14.000People will call sometimes, can you just walk around at dinner and interrupt people having meaningful conversations by having them pick a card?
00:56:32.000And, real quick, just to say, I think that, like, what I love about magic stuff is the mystery and the wonder around it.
00:56:37.000The ability to take a person and inspire their imagination to be like a child.
00:56:41.000And so, in my mind, when the Bible says you can't enter the kingdom of heaven unless you become like a child, like, when you're young, you would define bubbles as magic, right?
00:56:49.000There's nothing, there's no sorcery happening.
00:56:51.000It's just, it's something magical that you see and can't explain.
00:56:55.000And so, for me, like, Even, you know, when Jesus first appears and is born, the first people to come and worship him are the magi, right?
00:57:03.000The people who understand mysteries, and I think the Lord loves speaking in mysteries.
00:57:06.000And I always say, my style of deception is less like sorcery and more like a surprise birthday party, right?
00:58:45.000And I'm sure I'm sure you haven't like I don't want him to know what I'm not enjoying it.
00:58:48.000I'm sure you haven't like memorized this perhaps you've looked through I don't want him to know what this is yet See deception you but you you you've not like memorized this book but sure you've gone through it Russell I'm gonna have you do something in just a moment.
00:59:06.000No, no hold this I've done things like this for crack when I was still at the end of my using just close your eyes and put this in your hands if I could have two rocks If I were to tell you what I'm about to do, you would question it.
00:59:20.000And for me in my life, I feel like I've hit a lot of points where the Lord hasn't revealed to me what was next because I would have questioned it.
00:59:25.000But sometimes we can do crazy things when we don't know what's about to happen.