Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 06, 2026


Love your enemies | SS18


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00:00:00.000 What's up?
00:00:02.000 And.
00:00:19.000 The monkey on your back is the latest trend.
00:00:23.000 I don't see what anyone can see in anyone else. 0.98
00:00:29.000 I kiss you on the brain in the shadow of the train.
00:00:32.000 I kiss you all starry, I had my body swinging from side to side.
00:00:36.000 I don't see what anyone can see in anyone else.
00:00:40.000 Here is the church and here is the steeple. 0.97
00:00:45.000 We're sure I can't afford two ugly people.
00:00:49.000 I don't see what anyone can see in anyone else.
00:00:58.000 Hello, and welcome to Sunday service with the brands.
00:01:11.000 I've got me right up today, haven't I?
00:01:15.000 Romans 12.
00:01:18.000 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God.
00:01:30.000 This is your true and proper worship.
00:01:33.000 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
00:01:41.000 Then, You will be able to test and approve what God's will is, His good and pleasing, perfect will.
00:01:48.000 Oh, look, God.
00:01:51.000 Today, as you begin this Sunday service, man and wife, Laura and Russell, two people moving through time and space, at very least, Lord, I ask that we may know the truth of this verse a living, Sacrifice.
00:02:15.000 Offer your bodies as a living sacrifice.
00:02:18.000 This is the proper worship.
00:02:21.000 Show us the kenosis in this, the emptying out of self, Lord, that we may be present as vessels for your perfect will.
00:02:32.000 Our Lord, show us in this the wisdom of the Stoic Marcus Aurelius, for surely if your Saint Paul could cite non scriptural sources in his own Scriptural tendency, why would we hold ourselves to a standard that the Bible itself does not hold itself to?
00:02:55.000 Marcus Aurelius says, You are already dead.
00:02:58.000 Now, live the rest of your life properly. 1.00
00:03:01.000 The Buddhists say, Put down the corpse.
00:03:05.000 Don't pick up the corpse.
00:03:07.000 Don't pick up the corpse.
00:03:08.000 You're already dead.
00:03:09.000 And St. Paul says, I die on the cross with Christ Jesus, and it's Christ that's reborn in me.
00:03:17.000 And Schrdinger says the cat is both alive and dead.
00:03:21.000 It's in a superstay of potentiality, collapsing only under observation into a definitive and determinate state.
00:03:30.000 And Heisenberg says that at the first sip of the glass of quantum physics, one becomes an atheist, but there at the bottom of the glass, one finds God.
00:03:41.000 Oh Lord, oh Lord, we ask not to conform to the pattern of this world, but to be transformed.
00:03:48.000 By the renewing of this mind, that we die moment by moment to ourselves and are reborn again, that the Russell that began this prayer is already dead and a new man is born that may serve you, because you, Lord Jesus Christ, are spontaneous and ever present, transcendent of all self, not the God of culture.
00:04:10.000 Culture that is not alive cannot be of you.
00:04:13.000 Living God, you are the living God.
00:04:16.000 Upon this rock I will build my church.
00:04:18.000 You are the living God.
00:04:20.000 Amen, amen.
00:04:21.000 Amen.
00:04:23.000 How are you, darling?
00:04:24.000 You're right.
00:04:25.000 You feel okay?
00:04:26.000 Yes, I'm a little tired.
00:04:29.000 And I suppose I think there's been a little heaviness recently, hasn't there, Russell, for us?
00:04:35.000 Just in the dark.
00:04:36.000 Like there's been a little bit of.
00:04:38.000 We think it's called shaking the dark.
00:04:41.000 There's heaviness and darkness, of course.
00:04:43.000 Yes, there is.
00:04:44.000 There could be, of course.
00:04:45.000 There could be, you know.
00:04:46.000 But actually, I think we mentioned it last week, but there's also been that.
00:04:50.000 Have a sip of a delicious drink.
00:04:51.000 Yeah, have a sip of a delicious drink.
00:04:55.000 Yeah, the heaviness sometimes is difficult to actually lean in.
00:04:59.000 I think it's quite difficult to lean into prayer, but it's obviously necessary because I realized the other day that when I do find things too overwhelming, I do shut down.
00:05:11.000 And so I find it difficult to connect with the hope and faithfulness of the situation.
00:05:19.000 And then, like, weirdly, quite a lot of felt kind of some insecurities, maybe just a little bit.
00:05:25.000 Thankfully, I'm with you, and you actually fill me with like a lot of praise.
00:05:31.000 And I know that the way that I am in your eyes, I do, it feels, I feel good.
00:05:40.000 I feel good.
00:05:41.000 And just before we, You know, come of what you said, you know, I don't often think about it.
00:05:49.000 You're always extremely complimentary, right from the level of like, if I'm wearing something or the way I look, and you tell me I'm beautiful.
00:05:56.000 And I feel like, I feel mostly like I don't think much about the way I look.
00:06:02.000 But recently, I suppose some things have come up for me.
00:06:06.000 So I think when I say I'm experiencing insecurity, that's what has been presenting.
00:06:11.000 I suppose so that this is not cryptic.
00:06:16.000 There is the comments, like we had, like we notice if the show gets like normally in the world of social media, if your show gets watched a lot, it means that it's probably been watched by people that don't like you.
00:06:30.000 Like that's the dynamic.
00:06:31.000 So, online, people that know how to operate in these spaces, which are still somewhat protean in covet and forming, know that there's a benefit in conflict.
00:06:46.000 Isn't that extraordinary?
00:06:47.000 Yeah.
00:06:47.000 Like, Whatever you think of Andrew Tate, and I have access to information that not everyone would have access to.
00:06:56.000 He's a person that understands how media operates.
00:07:02.000 And he famously said that you only need something like 40% of people to like you.
00:07:07.000 I can't remember, but it's almost like benefits to be involved in conflict.
00:07:12.000 Yes.
00:07:14.000 Now, you yourself, even when you hear me say the name Andrew Tate, if that makes you have a particular reaction.
00:07:20.000 Yeah.
00:07:21.000 You begin to participate in that dynamic.
00:07:24.000 Or if I say Islam or Israel, or if I say whatever it is, it doesn't matter actually.
00:07:32.000 If you start to form you late, if you're not being transformed by the renewing of your mind, by like, I've got this thing that I think about that, then you are sort of an unwitting participant in precisely the dynamic that I described.
00:07:47.000 So, anyway, we noticed that there were like more views.
00:07:53.000 Downwards.
00:07:54.000 But we don't.
00:07:55.000 Like, blessedly, Massey, who produces this show, gives us comments.
00:08:00.000 And, like, you know, I've been in the game a while now. 0.96
00:08:02.000 I'm a battle worn, weary old whore of the game. 0.95
00:08:06.000 So I don't care no more. 0.99
00:08:08.000 But you are my lovely wife.
00:08:10.000 So, like, you know, we don't experience negative comments.
00:08:12.000 I don't experience them.
00:08:13.000 And once you've been called falsely a rapist in public, okay, where do you go from here?
00:08:22.000 Like, so the old Russ has been toughened up.
00:08:25.000 But what I want to say is that, um, You know, like comments and stuff.
00:08:30.000 Actually, it was what it was.
00:08:33.000 We discussed this, and actually, this isn't meant to be, you know, a hark, I'm feeling like I'm looking old or whatever.
00:08:41.000 Actually, it's to do with what it brings up.
00:08:44.000 And one thing that just came up is this when you say, or even if you say a name, you can't help but have an.
00:08:51.000 And what it is is we're talking also, obviously, about opinion, right?
00:08:56.000 So we're not saying, one isn't saying you should all share an opinion.
00:08:59.000 Opinion, you should have different opinions.
00:09:01.000 That's what makes for learning and developing and renewing.
00:09:04.000 Because if you have different opinions, you can discuss.
00:09:06.000 But it's the intention of it, right?
00:09:09.000 So one could think like, because what I'm saying is that we're not, it's not like what you were saying about, you mentioned Andrew Tate, it's like, of course, yeah, people are going to have opinions.
00:09:19.000 And then I suppose what it is, is it's going to be opinions, like you say, based on where they're getting their information and what they believe.
00:09:26.000 So when it comes to something like comments, which I also don't, you know, like to really indulge that negativity, I see it almost like that it can, This is what you have to do.
00:09:38.000 You have to almost pray and cover yourself in a protective guard and armor from even the idea that there's a comment about you that you don't feel under the spell of it, like it's been cast upon you.
00:09:52.000 And so when I saw this comment, which actually I will read it, and it's a lovely comment, by the way.
00:10:00.000 It's at happycappy1.
00:10:02.000 The podcast must be growing as the darkness in the comments has started.
00:10:07.000 See it as a blessing, though.
00:10:09.000 You're reaching people with your honest journey.
00:10:12.000 It's not saccharine.
00:10:14.000 Saccharine?
00:10:15.000 Saccharine.
00:10:15.000 False sweetness.
00:10:17.000 It feels authentic.
00:10:18.000 Catholic, Protestant, whatever.
00:10:20.000 Siblings in Christ, we all are.
00:10:22.000 Love to you both and keep going.
00:10:23.000 I mean, what a beautiful, beautiful comment.
00:10:27.000 And actually, it just gave us the. 0.88
00:10:30.000 And then the other one was from Nanny Mex.
00:10:34.000 Hi, dear Brands.
00:10:36.000 Huge thank you for sharing your Sunday services with us.
00:10:39.000 We pray for those who post unkind comments.
00:10:42.000 Mr. Rogers would pray for them.
00:10:44.000 Yes, he would.
00:10:44.000 As I mentioned on the last show.
00:10:47.000 No doubt.
00:10:48.000 Both of you remain faith filled.
00:10:49.000 We are in your corner, always praying for you, five, and all your extended loved ones.
00:10:53.000 Keep the faith.
00:10:54.000 Two really, really beautiful examples.
00:10:55.000 But I suppose they in themselves indicate that there were negative comments.
00:10:58.000 Exactly.
00:10:58.000 So you start to speculate what would they be.
00:11:00.000 And what does that do to you?
00:11:02.000 It makes me immediately, you know, it can make me feel, well, sadness, obviously, sadness, like I don't have a chance to.
00:11:11.000 I don't know, like almost like I want to read them.
00:11:15.000 So in my mind, I can start a battle of justification, but I don't read them because I know that it's not coming from a good place.
00:11:22.000 It's not an opinion.
00:11:24.000 It's not an opinion with any weight.
00:11:26.000 It's not like let's have a discussion about whether or not you should pray in that way.
00:11:30.000 It's not a discussion.
00:11:32.000 It's not up for discussion because the person is one sided.
00:11:35.000 The person is in their own insular and solitary world because you wouldn't post.
00:11:42.000 Nobody would go up to a stranger in the street and just say a mean thing.
00:11:47.000 It's just, but because we're behind, because you're behind comments, because it's like we're a couple that are online, it puts you up for this sort of vulnerability to this vulnerability.
00:12:01.000 My point being is that I really am trying to imagine, like, really trying to just like fill my heart with a kind of a love.
00:12:13.000 Towards even the idea of a negative comment, so that I can.
00:12:16.000 How are you going to do that?
00:12:18.000 By praying, by praying to bless them, but also, I suppose, knowing that if I'm not accepted as myself, who I am authentically when I'm here or when I'm with you, well, does it matter?
00:12:33.000 Does it matter to that individual person, or does it matter that 10 people might see that and then think, oh, maybe she's right, or maybe that person's right?
00:12:39.000 Or is it, you know, it's also quite self centered.
00:12:41.000 So it brings that up as well.
00:12:43.000 Good.
00:12:43.000 Now, Um, it depends what you're interested in.
00:12:47.000 If you are actually interested in power, then it becomes relevant, right?
00:12:50.000 Because if you're interested in power, the coagulation and accumulation of a particular perspective becomes a force and an energy.
00:12:57.000 For example, if everyone's willing to vote a certain way or concede to a certain impression, then it matters what opinions are.
00:13:04.000 Yeah.
00:13:05.000 If you believe that power is not ultimately determined by activity in this realm, then it becomes less relevant, but you'll still be affected by it in the same way that if there's a particular charge in the air or if a particular stimulant is applied to your body, you will feel it.
00:13:24.000 You will feel it.
00:13:25.000 If someone steps on your toe, you will feel it.
00:13:27.000 You'll respond to different flavors on your taste bud.
00:13:30.000 However, though, that's, you know, if you're interested in power, and I mention that only because social media spaces are interested in power.
00:13:38.000 Yes.
00:13:39.000 Operate on the basis of power.
00:13:40.000 Indeed, I've talked about this on the other show the other day, and I used the example of that.
00:13:43.000 Was the lady that appears perhaps as what was she?
00:13:48.000 Did she please go eat?
00:13:49.000 Oh, Lindsay Clancy.
00:13:51.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:13:52.000 So, Lindsay Clancy, like she, think now, the culture is this way an object gets thrown into the culture.
00:13:58.000 You might call it October the 7th, you might call it Russell Brand, you might call it Lindsay Clancy, whatever the object, it doesn't matter, it's truly irrelevant.
00:14:07.000 The object gets thrown into the pool, the collective pool of the culture.
00:14:12.000 Now, you might take a strong view.
00:14:14.000 Trump's a really good one to use because he's the biggest one, I suppose.
00:14:19.000 Whether if you are like, I adore Donald Trump because of XYZ, or I loathe Trump because of ABC, both of those polarities are equally good for the systems.
00:14:31.000 And same for Lindsey Clancy or for Andrew Tate or for whomever, me, whoever.
00:14:36.000 Because as long as you're trapped in a kind of a polarity, you are conformed to the pattern of this world.
00:14:42.000 You are not transformed by the renewing of your mind.
00:14:46.000 Because the system wants conformity, the system does not want spontaneity.
00:14:52.000 Our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, He is the living water, He is spontaneous, He is responding continually.
00:14:59.000 He is outside of time, He's the Alpha, the Omega, He is outside of all categories and conditions.
00:15:05.000 That word category, what did I learn?
00:15:07.000 It comes from Aristotle took it from a legal way of understanding things into a poetic way of understanding things, category.
00:15:20.000 Gosh, I can't.
00:15:21.000 I'm sort of slightly blanking on the important details now, but my, you know, on the etymology of the word category.
00:15:28.000 But like the more important point that I want to make here is beautifully underwritten by this Lesson 351 Course in Miracles.
00:15:39.000 Some of you will be familiar with it.
00:15:42.000 My sinless brother is my guide to peace, my sinful brother is my guide to pain.
00:15:50.000 And which I choose to see, I will behold.
00:15:53.000 Now, I want you to hold in your mind the comments right now.
00:15:57.000 Let's continue that thread of like, you know, someone writes a comment about another person or hates person X for a reason Y. Consider.
00:16:07.000 Now, in the lexicon and vocabulary, of course, in Miracles, brother is akin to how the Gospels and indeed Scripture uses the term neighbor, i.e., the person that you're interacting with.
00:16:19.000 The person that you're interacting with.
00:16:20.000 It's not a gendered word.
00:16:21.000 It's a human.
00:16:23.000 Christ, a human, yeah.
00:16:24.000 Is that right?
00:16:25.000 Yeah, and maybe if you were to take it out into more sort of native American ideologies, they may use brother, water, sister, air, and all that.
00:16:35.000 Beyond that.
00:16:36.000 They start to even take.
00:16:39.000 The thing in that moment of the most importance proximity and relationship.
00:16:43.000 When Mr. Rogers says, Do you know what's the most important thing to me now, Lloyd Vogel?
00:16:46.000 You are.
00:16:47.000 Because I'm talking to you now.
00:16:48.000 Yes, yes, that's right.
00:16:50.000 That's exactly right.
00:16:50.000 You're my reality now.
00:16:52.000 You're my reality now.
00:16:55.000 Yeah.
00:16:55.000 You are my consciousness, my attention, the gift of my consciousness.
00:16:59.000 I focus on you.
00:17:00.000 So, when it says, my sinless brother is my guide to peace, my sinful brother is my guide to pain, it could be the same person, much in the same way as two men will be working in a field, one man will be taken, you know, sort of rapture wise. 0.85
00:17:14.000 Part of you, you must let go of, you must die.
00:17:17.000 I actually intended to talk about this in the first instance.
00:17:20.000 Like in that film, The Prestige, where Christopher Nolan et al. work through a theatrical imagining.
00:17:31.000 Of Nikolai Tesla, played by David Bowie, God rest his soul, how Schrdinger's famous experiment might play out if such a thing were actually possible in reality.
00:17:43.000 Hugh Jackman's protagonist gets Tesla to build a device where you can infinitely reproduce yourself.
00:17:50.000 And it's a thought experiment that came out of those various, from 1912 onwards, experiments and at least theoretical experimentations around ideas in quantum physics.
00:18:03.000 Every time you make a decision, another you might be born in an infinite number of universes.
00:18:08.000 And I myself see that as a kind of a rather ridiculous way of trying to keep things somehow material when material itself demonstrates something supra material, i.e., material, the deeper you get into it, doesn't conform to our understanding of what the physical world would be.
00:18:25.000 That sounds like that thing.
00:18:26.000 What was that film?
00:18:27.000 I found it too jarring and couldn't keep up with it, and we stopped watching it.
00:18:30.000 That film where there's loads.
00:18:31.000 It's melting everywhere all the time.
00:18:32.000 It's not as good as Matrix.
00:18:34.000 No, it's not.
00:18:34.000 And it's back again.
00:18:36.000 And it's also trying to narrativize something in a childish way.
00:18:39.000 In a childish way.
00:18:41.000 Because what it really is, is something that's simpler than that.
00:18:46.000 Yeah.
00:18:47.000 As Eckhart Tolle says, and this is brilliant, and it's very in touch, in line with the Pauline idea that we began with be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
00:18:56.000 Yeah.
00:18:57.000 Eckhart Tolle says, even if you're in a wheelchair for the rest of your life, you are not in a wheelchair for the rest of your life.
00:19:06.000 In this moment, no, that's very good.
00:19:08.000 In this moment, you are sitting down.
00:19:10.000 Even if you're in prison for the rest of your life, you are not in prison for the rest of your life in this moment.
00:19:17.000 In this moment, you are in a room.
00:19:18.000 I can see a window and I remember watching the internet.
00:19:20.000 I mean, man, that's a what a demand to make of your spirit.
00:19:26.000 But really, it's only an absolute surrender.
00:19:28.000 It's only by conforming to the pattern of this world that you start going, oh no, this happened to me as a child and then this happened and then that happened.
00:19:35.000 And you sort of want to cling.
00:19:36.000 And you want to make a false idol, you want to make a god of this passing world, of this passing world. 0.98
00:19:44.000 So, my sinless brother, if you think of any person, you at home and you too, Laura, think of any individual, it could even be the person that leads a comment saying, This is like, I will imagine one, you've got no business saying a prayer, you've never been Christian, I don't think you are even probably Christian, and perhaps you should concentrate more on the matters, legal matters that your family are facing, and you look disgusting and I hate you, right? 0.97
00:20:07.000 All right. 0.93
00:20:08.000 So, if we see that person as, let's call that person Meany.
00:20:14.000 Yeah, Meany.
00:20:15.000 Meany.
00:20:15.000 We can't give him an actual name because then we could be offended.
00:20:18.000 Yeah, and we can't put that, bestow that on the name.
00:20:22.000 Oh, no, we'd never do that.
00:20:23.000 Meany.
00:20:24.000 So, if Meany is my sinless brother, my guide to peace.
00:20:28.000 So, if we were to see Meany as sinless somehow, that would guide us to peace.
00:20:33.000 If we see Meany as my sinful brother, that's our guide to pain.
00:20:38.000 It would take us into pain.
00:20:39.000 So, somehow, we have to look at this same.
00:20:42.000 Metaphorical, analogous, allegorical person as sinless.
00:20:48.000 Because if we see the sinful, it's going to guide us into pain.
00:20:52.000 I check this.
00:20:52.000 This is the key point.
00:20:54.000 And which I choose to see, I will behold.
00:20:58.000 That's key.
00:20:58.000 Which I choose to see, I will behold.
00:21:01.000 Now, what's the difference between choose to see and behold?
00:21:04.000 Once you behold something, it's in the realm of your beingness.
00:21:08.000 It's in the realm of your beingness.
00:21:10.000 Yeah.
00:21:11.000 So, because when you first read that, I, because you read it the other day, and I truly, at first, I really sort of, even when you read the whole thing, I understood it to be, yeah, of course, you've got Meanie and you've got Nicey, two different people, and you can go with Nicey.
00:21:31.000 These names are terrible, aren't they, really?
00:21:33.000 Putting a Y on the end or an IE.
00:21:37.000 But Nicey, Person B, it's the same person and it's actually in our eyes.
00:21:47.000 It's how we see them.
00:21:48.000 It's not actually two different people and we're going off with that person.
00:21:53.000 Indeed.
00:21:53.000 Even if you wanted to fetishise their distinctions, say, well, no, that's not actually true because Meanie is called Alex Blofelt and lives in Murray Down Lane.
00:22:03.000 And Nicey is called Michelle Crowthorne, and she lives in Surrey, right?
00:22:11.000 If you wanted to see him as a people, well, riddle me this.
00:22:15.000 How do we deal with the physical cosmological reality that materialists and atheists believe that 13.8 billion years ago, all reality was compressed into a sub molecular particle, along with unicorns, not unicorns, they're not real actually, rainbows, and at some point, dinosaurs, and Kittens and love and thermonuclear dynamics, Saturn, Jupiter, the rules of quantum physics, all of those things, they're also not real,
00:22:43.000 were packed into a sub molecular particle and then all unfolded.
00:22:48.000 So at some point, even physically, Mimi and Nice are one thing.
00:22:54.000 So my sinless brother is my guide to peace, my sinful brother is my guide to pain, and which I choose to see, I will behold.
00:23:04.000 We are part of, if we choose to see it, if we choose to conform to the pattern of this world, you know, well, I actually think that's wrong.
00:23:14.000 I think there are some things that are right.
00:23:16.000 You know, there is no objective flat thing that you can just agree to.
00:23:21.000 That's just like, this is what I'm going to say.
00:23:23.000 Nikki Gumball, who did such wonderful work in establishing the Alpha Church, says Christ removes the limited liability of the term neighbor when talking to the rich young ruler.
00:23:37.000 Everyone is your neighbor.
00:23:39.000 Everyone is your neighbor.
00:23:40.000 And he also removes the limitation of what we should be willing to do to love and follow Christ.
00:23:47.000 If there is something that you don't want to do in order to follow Christ, guess what?
00:23:53.000 Yeah.
00:23:54.000 That's the thing you've got to do.
00:23:56.000 Well, I won't do that. 0.95
00:23:57.000 It's very much, I'd call it meatloaf Christianity. 0.60
00:24:01.000 I'll do anything for Christ, but I won't do that. 0.94
00:24:04.000 Whatever it is you won't do, you better do that.
00:24:06.000 I like that you say there's one comment here, actually, because for those that didn't join us last week, we talked.
00:24:11.000 About Mr. Rogers, and someone at Elizabeth Hutton 6153, just off the back of what Russell said there about Nikki Gumbel, has said, Won't you be my neighbor?
00:24:21.000 Isn't it cool?
00:24:22.000 He asked that, and God called us to love our neighbor.
00:24:26.000 Mr. Rogers really did love his neighbor.
00:24:28.000 What a blessing he was.
00:24:30.000 And so are both of you.
00:24:31.000 Thank you, Laura and Russell.
00:24:32.000 Thank you for being a blessing.
00:24:33.000 Beth in Wonderland, Beth in Wonderland.
00:24:35.000 Hey, our friend.
00:24:36.000 Hi, Beth.
00:24:38.000 So, when you're saying what Nikki, so I didn't even think about that.
00:24:41.000 I didn't even think about the neighborly aspect from the Bible being applied.
00:24:45.000 There to like everybody, won't you be my neighbour?
00:24:48.000 Any single person that watches that show, and obviously relating it there to what Nicky Gumball said.
00:24:53.000 Mr. Rogers simplifies it to something manageable and allegorical.
00:24:58.000 It's just like one little neighborhood occupied by puppets that's got the same entity behind it Christ.
00:25:04.000 He will come and live with you and in you if you invite him, but you have to attune to the correct frequency.
00:25:11.000 And attuning to the correct frequency means the one thing you won't let go of faith.
00:25:16.000 No, I need to understand it.
00:25:17.000 I need to understand it.
00:25:18.000 Oh, you think you're going to understand it, do you?
00:25:20.000 Yeah. 0.97
00:25:20.000 You're going to understand it with your fiddlesticks pin brain. 0.97
00:25:23.000 How could you possibly? 0.83
00:25:25.000 How could you possibly?
00:25:25.000 In the same way that however much time I spend trying to explain the internet to my cat, It's never going to understand what I'm.
00:25:32.000 I don't understand why the internet works.
00:25:34.000 I don't understand anything, actually.
00:25:36.000 You live in blind faith.
00:25:39.000 Yes.
00:25:40.000 And one thing I want to bring back about the kind of comment thing or insecurity is that, you know, really, ultimately, how can we be, how can we really truly be even offended when it's not in the eyes of God?
00:25:56.000 It's not somebody that really truly knows us.
00:25:58.000 It doesn't, they don't know us.
00:25:59.000 They don't know our soul.
00:26:01.000 It's something that's just an Outward expression of an anger within themselves.
00:26:05.000 Judgment is in Christianity, the concept of final judgment that you are going to be judged.
00:26:10.000 Also, atemporality and spatiality are in it, i.e., ultimately, this is happening beyond time and space.
00:26:17.000 Like Michael Beckwith brilliantly said at Agape Church when Kobe Bryant died, and the congregation takes a sharp intake of breath, this being a Sunday, by as I recall Michael Beckwith telling me, he says to the congregation, because he's in LA, so there's a lot of like LA Lakers type people.
00:26:35.000 And like fans of that basketball team, and a lot of African Americans, as it turns out, if that consolidates it or concentrates it more, I don't know, you tell me.
00:26:44.000 Like, as there's a big reaction, and Michael Beckwith says, Before you go where you're going, like having your own reaction about Kobe Bryant dying, who you probably don't know and is just someone you care about because he's brilliant.
00:26:57.000 Naturally, yeah, exactly.
00:26:59.000 Goes in this moment, he has a wife and surviving children that are feeling reality.
00:27:06.000 Now, in this moment, direct your attention and your love to them.
00:27:10.000 Because in the final analysis, all things are non local and they will feel it.
00:27:16.000 Like there's a deeper reality, like Mr. Rogers' neighborhood.
00:27:19.000 It's sort of obviously a metaphor, but everything's a metaphor.
00:27:23.000 Language is a metaphor.
00:27:26.000 In the end, when does it become essential and irreducible?
00:27:31.000 When you say that and you say that everyone will feel it, if you're praying towards the family and if you get everybody together and it's that feeling that it's cultivating that real positive.
00:27:42.000 Prayer towards that, it's going to fill them and it's going to affect them on some level.
00:27:48.000 I think about the idea.
00:27:49.000 I thought about the idea of there's that meditate.
00:27:51.000 I remember there was that lady who wrote that good book on loving kindness.
00:27:54.000 I can't remember exactly.
00:27:55.000 It was a meditation book, actually.
00:27:58.000 And it was on the idea of the affirming through meditation, just like bringing loving kindness into your output, right?
00:28:08.000 And then I was imagining the heart, and I was thinking of how.
00:28:14.000 Your heart can what one might say.
00:28:17.000 I've hardened, my heart has hardened over time.
00:28:19.000 I've had to do these things, I've put up with this stuff.
00:28:22.000 But what we want is we want the softening of the heart.
00:28:27.000 We want the softening of the heart.
00:28:28.000 And this is just when I'm just thinking about the way we speak, you know, because sometimes I might pray, you know, pray to, you know, you might say, let's call them enemies, if you will.
00:28:38.000 You want to pray love towards enemies and specifically, exactly right.
00:28:43.000 Love your enemies, love your enemies, love your enemies.
00:28:46.000 And what you're praying for is you also are praying for sort of a softness of heart, but that we don't want with the other side of a softness.
00:28:52.000 I, the idea might be fragility or the softness might imply weakness, but it's not right.
00:29:01.000 He says, I am the truth, the life and the way, and you're praying for the truth.
00:29:05.000 Yes, like the truth is that even the person that's saying the most awful thing about you imaginable, the truth is that person is a beloved child of God, and that we will refuse to enter into the illusion, even an illusion that they think they're in themselves now.
00:29:24.000 If we like, so we see them in love, we see them in golden light, beloved, absolutely beloved, and they will crack open, that truth will appear in them.
00:29:33.000 I've seen this happen, you know, before even coming to the Lord.
00:29:36.000 I remember a moment with my dad, who at times I've had a difficult relationship with Radhanath Swami, known as the Maharaj among those that follow him, Swamiji, to others.
00:29:44.000 I was on a film set, yeah, I think Jay Shetty was there, man.
00:29:47.000 I was making a little movie for Telly, I think, five children.
00:29:51.000 Thank God Michael Caine was in it, otherwise, Lord Lone Island, we were in, weren't we?
00:29:55.000 Yeah, and Ronnie, my dad, got.
00:29:57.000 God love him.
00:29:57.000 I pray for you, Ronnie.
00:29:58.000 Was there.
00:30:00.000 And, you know, Jay Shetty, pre Jay Shetty from the.
00:30:05.000 He was in service of Radnath Swami.
00:30:07.000 He was pre devoted to him.
00:30:08.000 So, like, we can certainly testify to his sincerity.
00:30:11.000 Like, anyone that has a public profile, people question him continually.
00:30:15.000 And, Radnath Swami, there's this moment where, like, you know, Radnath Swami looked in my dad's face and said something like, You are a good man.
00:30:25.000 And I watched my dad's face change.
00:30:28.000 I watched him sort of go, like, he undone something in my dad.
00:30:31.000 In that moment, he undone something, he reached something in him.
00:30:36.000 This holy man, this holy man touched something in him.
00:30:39.000 Yeah, yeah, that's it.
00:30:41.000 It's, it's, oh, so love your enemies means that because, like it says, even as our Lord says, even the hookers and the tax collectors love your friends.
00:30:50.000 You know, being nice to you is no different than cleaning my teeth.
00:30:53.000 I live with you, I've got you, and I need you to be all right.
00:30:57.000 I need you to be all right, but can I love people that have been said untruthful things about me?
00:31:03.000 Can I love people that have generated negative?
00:31:06.000 Yes, the truth is, I can when I'm in him.
00:31:07.000 He is the truth, the life, and the way.
00:31:09.000 When I'm with him, I can because with him, you are in judgment.
00:31:12.000 Even if, like, you know, whatever's happening to you, you're going to die.
00:31:17.000 You're going to die.
00:31:18.000 Everyone, what do you think? 0.96
00:31:18.000 You're keeping this stuff? 0.96
00:31:19.000 Yeah.
00:31:20.000 You think you're keeping it?
00:31:21.000 You think your children aren't going to grow up and eventually forget, die, man?
00:31:25.000 Isn't this like, don't you?
00:31:26.000 When our girls were babies, you know, mabes and pegs, I remember, like, maybe even Mabel, I remember having a lot of these realizations, just like, drive past the bus stops.
00:31:36.000 Little UK, like an old lady on her own at a bus stop, I just think, oh, that's someone's baby daughter.
00:31:42.000 And then I saw the future. 0.97
00:31:43.000 I just saw, oh, my little Mabel, an old lady alone at a bus stop one day.
00:31:49.000 The brilliant English writer Alan Bennett says the trends around names. 0.84
00:31:54.000 He says, you know, when you go to an old folks' home and they're all full of Veras and Mauds, the UK goes, but one day the old folks' home will be full of Kellys and Darren's.
00:32:08.000 You know, like he goes, perhaps the difference in the name prevents us from seeing that that's who we are.
00:32:13.000 We are all one.
00:32:15.000 We are all one in him, as St. John says in his gospel, the words of our Lord.
00:32:24.000 15 I am the true vine, and my father is the gardener.
00:32:28.000 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch, think of this as thinking in terms of neurology, think in terms of these are image systems.
00:32:37.000 But what is consciousness?
00:32:38.000 What is the living water?
00:32:40.000 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit, he prunes.
00:32:46.000 Ow!
00:32:47.000 Hurts to be pruned, so that it will be even more fruitful.
00:32:50.000 Yes.
00:32:51.000 You are already clean because of the word I've spoken to you.
00:32:56.000 Remain in me as I also remain in you.
00:33:00.000 No branch can bear fruit by itself.
00:33:02.000 It must remain in the vine.
00:33:03.000 Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
00:33:06.000 I am the vine.
00:33:07.000 You are the branches.
00:33:08.000 If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit.
00:33:11.000 Apart from me, you can do nothing.
00:33:13.000 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that's thrown away and withers.
00:33:16.000 Such branches are picked up and thrown into the fire and burned.
00:33:20.000 Do you know what's funny?
00:33:21.000 I sent this text to somebody this morning because we were.
00:33:24.000 Funnily enough, tell me their name, their identity.
00:33:27.000 Who are they?
00:33:28.000 For my friend Erica, friends now, eh?
00:33:32.000 I suppose you prefer them to me.
00:33:34.000 You'll leave me for these friends.
00:33:36.000 Yeah, funny you have those spikes of energy, aren't you?
00:33:39.000 Sometimes I think there needs to be some craziness.
00:33:41.000 I know, yeah, no, I know.
00:33:42.000 I like it.
00:33:43.000 What I was thinking about was the fact that in the area that we live in, there's been this massive tree cutting situation, right?
00:33:54.000 So the company that does the electrical.
00:33:58.000 Power lines for Chelco.
00:34:00.000 Okay, Chelco.
00:34:01.000 You're not afraid to mention a name, are you, on here?
00:34:03.000 No?
00:34:04.000 They own Southland.
00:34:06.000 All right, so they own Southland. 0.85
00:34:07.000 Southland are the tree cutters.
00:34:09.000 They are utility land clearers, right?
00:34:12.000 Owned by Chelco. 0.83
00:34:13.000 Owned by Chelco.
00:34:13.000 They're not for profit electricity companies.
00:34:15.000 Yes, that's correct.
00:34:16.000 But they do own Southland, which is not not for profit.
00:34:20.000 Exactly.
00:34:21.000 But here we go.
00:34:22.000 This is what we're going to say.
00:34:23.000 So they've done this big job of a lot, a lot.
00:34:28.000 I would call it a catastrophic level of tree clearing.
00:34:32.000 Even trees that weren't interfering with the lines.
00:34:35.000 They're allowed to prune and cut branches in order to clear what they call easements, like areas that they have to access.
00:34:45.000 And we're talking 25 to 30 year old trees.
00:34:48.000 We're talking beautiful crepe myrtles, things that people have planted themselves in their gardens that were kind of obviously, they might say, encroaching near the line.
00:34:57.000 And of course, it's all to prevent in storms these things falling on power cables.
00:35:01.000 And it was completely.
00:35:03.000 In many ways, in many ways, unjustified, even though they felt like they were just doing their job.
00:35:08.000 That's certainly your perspective.
00:35:09.000 My perspective, my perspective.
00:35:11.000 As a friend of Jesse over there at Chelco, I know him to be a good man.
00:35:18.000 Yes, I'm not actually, I'm not even really talking about Jesse because I'm seeing it as just an independent sort of thing.
00:35:25.000 It's like it got into the cogs of corporation and the people cutting the trees down who are individually good.
00:35:32.000 People just doing their jobs, they're doing their jobs, so they go along with the machine and it's gone arm and it's got this churner and it just takes everything down.
00:35:40.000 I'm, I'm, it took quite a large area of near where we live, and a lot of people have been very upset.
00:35:46.000 And so, I've been looking about this, thinking about the Bible, thinking about the uh, um, comments on the trees and nature and life.
00:35:54.000 And of course, we won't even cut a branch down, even if it's actually genuinely encroaching on the house, like even in a way, we don't, we like to like see trees as much as possible.
00:36:04.000 Good, it's nature, it's birds, it's squirrels, it's all the stuff.
00:36:08.000 And, but it's upset a lot of people.
00:36:10.000 And we've managed to get slightly stuck into this, probably as a sort of maybe a distraction from other things we've got going on.
00:36:17.000 It's been enjoyable to some degree because Russell's been going out on the roads like, yeah, all right.
00:36:24.000 And I'm having to also prep him by like, are you befriending these guys?
00:36:27.000 Are you telling them that we don't agree with the tree cussing? 0.74
00:36:30.000 And then he's like, yeah, but I'm trying to see both perspectives and I'm trying to, I think we're never going to reach an agreement if we aren't peaceful about it and we don't try and meet.
00:36:38.000 Meet some understanding and mutualize.
00:36:41.000 And you're totally right.
00:36:42.000 You're totally right.
00:36:43.000 One thing I will say is that the ethos of Chalco is very much about the community being priority and the preservation of nature because they know how important it is.
00:36:54.000 So to see that all just being like wiped with the idea of that ethos on their website is something.
00:37:00.000 So I sent a message to a friend of mine.
00:37:03.000 I just will say there is.
00:37:04.000 Oh, yeah, go on.
00:37:05.000 Before you continue, the houses that all of us live in were once, you know, there were trees.
00:37:12.000 Trees.
00:37:13.000 So, yeah, like, so, like, I know.
00:37:16.000 So it's like really, when we are saying we like the trees, look, let me put it in a more honest way that's non judgmental.
00:37:23.000 When I'm not with God, and that happens to be sometimes, like I said to you, my own crying son, if I'm honest, what I want is the noise to stop.
00:37:34.000 Yeah.
00:37:35.000 I lose my connection to what are you okay in there, my darling?
00:37:39.000 Are you okay in there, my darling?
00:37:41.000 Allow me to heal you.
00:37:42.000 What can I do for you?
00:37:43.000 Sometimes I'm just that noise makes.
00:37:46.000 That noise goes.
00:37:48.000 It's, it's a, it's, I think most parents will agree.
00:37:51.000 I mean, certainly I know a lot of people that in the car when their kids are fighting, they just have to zone out.
00:37:55.000 You can't hear it anymore, you know?
00:37:57.000 I think that's a normal parenting, and I completely, completely hear you.
00:38:01.000 And I think, what, how does that relate to the trees?
00:38:04.000 It relates to it because that's in sometimes when you're honest, your only, your true position is I have a personal attachment and I see that tree as part of me and part of what I want.
00:38:15.000 And then I'm going to retro engineer a moral argument around what I want.
00:38:20.000 Rather than God, you are all powerful.
00:38:23.000 Wherever you put me, I am there.
00:38:25.000 I trust you, Lord.
00:38:27.000 You are king.
00:38:28.000 You are supreme.
00:38:29.000 I'll do what you want with me.
00:38:31.000 Yeah.
00:38:32.000 Because I'm already dead.
00:38:33.000 We stand in front of your throne now, God.
00:38:35.000 You judge us.
00:38:37.000 You judge us.
00:38:38.000 Some souls go this way, some souls go this way.
00:38:40.000 That is your word.
00:38:42.000 And I want to be with you, God.
00:38:44.000 Well, I think actually, even in the case of what we've been talking about earlier on in the show today, the sermon, the service, we talked about.
00:38:54.000 Loving kindness towards people, even so, even in areas of like contention, where there's especially love your enemy.
00:39:00.000 And I think, uh, I have seen obviously that the impulse, and even my own impulse, was to kind of go out and take the keys out their machines and start screaming at them.
00:39:10.000 And then when you actually kind of come face to face, you see all of the things about them you see their scars, scars, you see their beauty, beauty, you see their kindness, you see their struggle.
00:39:21.000 Uh, because it's not like that, some of them don't seem to even want to be doing it.
00:39:24.000 Um, so uh, but when we come back to what the point really is, is that I, for the first time, I found this passage using uh AI because I said to AI, Tell me, show me everything about trees from the Bible.
00:39:37.000 This is the one that I liked.
00:39:38.000 At least there is hope for a tree, if it's cut down, it will sprout again and its new shoots will not fail.
00:39:44.000 Job 14 7.
00:39:45.000 And then in that, I thought, How could we know that even in this, right?
00:39:51.000 If you, I this is how I thought about it if you cut or trim or prune a tree, and what's made me think of this is Russell.
00:39:57.000 You said about pruning back from John 15.
00:40:02.000 Yeah.
00:40:03.000 If you prune a tree or cut a tree, we cannot even know yet what might grow, right?
00:40:10.000 From underneath that.
00:40:12.000 You don't know what the light will hit and cultivate.
00:40:16.000 And what I said to my friend was, you know, how could we know now we're feeling frustrated and encroached upon and like this, been this sort of.
00:40:25.000 It was when our friend said to us, you know, that's 25.
00:40:28.000 30 year old trees, I actually genuinely feel like they're talking about a human.
00:40:32.000 You know, like it feels to me like it's like, oh gosh, imagine that tree working hard.
00:40:37.000 Like obelisk.
00:40:39.000 Yeah.
00:40:39.000 Or obelix from asterisk and obelix.
00:40:42.000 He likes trees.
00:40:43.000 Oh, yeah.
00:40:44.000 I felt like that.
00:40:44.000 I felt like that.
00:40:45.000 Or like Swampy, the British activist from the 2000s who became a celebrity.
00:40:51.000 I don't know who he is.
00:40:52.000 But he was like one of them guys that just gets in a tree and one of them cut trees down.
00:40:55.000 I love trees also.
00:40:56.000 Yeah, but here's the point.
00:40:57.000 So I said, you know, like, here's the thing.
00:41:00.000 When you cut back a tree, when you remove a tree or whatever, the light, the light of the sun directly, directly penetrates that land.
00:41:09.000 And I'm trying to now imagine that by that vast pruning, that we can.
00:41:15.000 Cultivate something even more beautiful, even more of a perfect garden.
00:41:20.000 Look at our own lives, my darling.
00:41:21.000 The garden.
00:41:21.000 Look at our lives.
00:41:22.000 Look at our lives.
00:41:23.000 Exactly.
00:41:23.000 Now, in a sense, that's it.
00:41:24.000 Like, you know, in the sort of Chinese folklore, there's that famous adage, you know, the man's son gets taken to war.
00:41:33.000 Like, I don't know this actually.
00:41:34.000 Oh, man.
00:41:35.000 It's so long.
00:41:36.000 Okay, don't say it all now.
00:41:38.000 Is this, is that so kind of thing?
00:41:40.000 Oh, yeah.
00:41:41.000 Oh, yeah.
00:41:42.000 Oh, it's good news that your kids got to.
00:41:44.000 Is it so?
00:41:44.000 You know, is that so?
00:41:45.000 Yeah, like, you know, we don't bloody know.
00:41:47.000 Basically, now, to your point of Job 14, uh, now, like Job is a difficult book.
00:41:54.000 Some say it's you know, like it's an old old book, Mesopotamian may even predate other texts in a way that's sort of confusing.
00:42:03.000 It begins with a battle between good and evil, it's difficult.
00:42:06.000 One can speculate what the relationship is between Lucifer and God at this point, and the energy and image system that is God, the source, the creator, the principle, the creator of all patterns, the infinite, and uh, and what we mean by Satan, Lucifer, the fallen one.
00:42:20.000 Nice, thank you.
00:42:21.000 You like that?
00:42:22.000 I love that.
00:42:23.000 I love that.
00:42:24.000 The sun just broke through the clouds.
00:42:26.000 Thank you.
00:42:26.000 I really do love that.
00:42:28.000 So, 14, he is talking.
00:42:30.000 Job is. 1.00
00:42:31.000 Mortals born of woman are of a few days and full of trouble. 1.00
00:42:35.000 They spring up like flowers and wither away like fleeting shadows. 1.00
00:42:39.000 They do not endure.
00:42:41.000 Do you fix your eyes on them?
00:42:42.000 Do you read the comments?
00:42:44.000 Do you care about the comments?
00:42:46.000 I did that.
00:42:47.000 Will you drink.
00:42:48.000 She genuinely thought you were a reader.
00:42:49.000 I had to.
00:42:50.000 Just changing the Bible. 0.95
00:42:51.000 Who knows what I might do as I get more confident. 0.95
00:42:53.000 Oh, gosh.
00:42:55.000 Do you fix your eye on them?
00:42:56.000 Will you bring them before you for judgment?
00:42:58.000 Who can bring what is pure from the impure?
00:43:01.000 No one.
00:43:02.000 A person's days are determined.
00:43:04.000 You have decreed the number of his months.
00:43:06.000 This is Job talking to God, huh?
00:43:08.000 And have set limits he cannot exceed.
00:43:12.000 So look away from him and let him alone.
00:43:15.000 Job is lamenting.
00:43:16.000 He's like, God, I'm having a bit of a hard time here.
00:43:19.000 Please, will you let me go, man?
00:43:22.000 Yes.
00:43:23.000 Tilly is putting his time like a hired laborer.
00:43:26.000 How beautiful that language gets there when you think of the Prodigal, the prodigal son.
00:43:30.000 I'll just go back and live with my father like a hired laborer man.
00:43:33.000 And what did his father do?
00:43:35.000 He runs to him and grabs him and gathers him up.
00:43:39.000 At least there's hope for a tree.
00:43:41.000 If it's cut down, it will sprout again and its new shoots will not fail.
00:43:45.000 Its roots may grow old in the ground and its stump die in the soil.
00:43:50.000 Yet at the scent of water, it will bud and put forth shoots like a plant.
00:43:55.000 But a man dies and is laid low.
00:43:57.000 He breathes his last and is no more as the water of a lake dries up.
00:44:04.000 Or a river bed becomes parched and dry.
00:44:07.000 So he lies down and does not rise.
00:44:09.000 But who does rise?
00:44:10.000 Who does rise?
00:44:12.000 Till the heavens are no more, people will not awake or be roused from their sleep.
00:44:16.000 So Job is yet another proto Christ.
00:44:19.000 And in his lamentation, he makes the appeal.
00:44:21.000 He prepares and demonstrates the necessity for the divine incarnation, for flesh to be divinized, sacralized by Christ, by God coming in human form on the human bandwidth.
00:44:38.000 If only you would hide me in the grave and conceal me till your anger has passed.
00:44:42.000 Oh my God, that sort of beautiful preempting of the tomb and the three days between the death on the cross and the resurrection.
00:44:50.000 If only you would set me a time and then remember me.
00:44:53.000 If someone dies, will they live again?
00:44:55.000 Question mark.
00:44:56.000 All the days of my hard service, I will wait for my renewal, renewing of your mind.
00:45:01.000 To come, if you will call and I will answer you, you will long for the creature your hands have made.
00:45:07.000 Surely then you will count my steps, but not keep track of my sin.
00:45:10.000 We need to be forgiven.
00:45:11.000 My offenses will be sealed up in a bag.
00:45:14.000 You will cover over my sin.
00:45:16.000 This is what Christ does.
00:45:17.000 But as a mountain erodes and crumbles, and as a rock is moved from its place, as water wears away stones, and torrents wash away the soil, so you destroy a person's hope.
00:45:28.000 You overpower them once for all, and they are gone.
00:45:31.000 You change their countenance and send them away.
00:45:33.000 If their children are honoured, they do not know it.
00:45:35.000 If their children are brought low, they do not see it.
00:45:38.000 Mabel at the bus stop.
00:45:39.000 They feel but the pain of their own bodies and mourn only for themselves.
00:45:45.000 If you live in self, you're already dead.
00:45:46.000 The wages of sin are death. 0.68
00:45:49.000 And then Job's lament ends, and one of his dopey mates gives him some sort of answer.
00:45:54.000 But when I first read the Bible, I was trying to understand, like, because there's stuff in the Bible that's parody, like the commentary and interactions is very like a Greek play or something.
00:46:05.000 The things that Eliphaz and all them say are parody.
00:46:09.000 Like they give Job advice.
00:46:10.000 Like, you know, when you're getting advice when you're in a serious situation, as T.S. Lewis would say, no, that's not it at all.
00:46:19.000 That's not it at all.
00:46:20.000 Like when you're like, oh no.
00:46:22.000 No one understands what I'm going through.
00:46:24.000 No one understands.
00:46:26.000 And that's what part of Job's anguish is the inability of those around him to identify with me.
00:46:30.000 But people that are with Christ, that know that we are of one mind, that we are branches of the same mind, the comfort they can offer is sometimes like, look, I don't know what you're going through.
00:46:39.000 I don't know what it's like to be you.
00:46:41.000 I don't know what it's like to suffer your problem, but we are here and we are one and we know that God is real.
00:46:46.000 He is transcendent.
00:46:47.000 He is transcendent of this.
00:46:49.000 And whatever it is you're afraid of and whatever it is you're feeling, He suffered all of this.
00:46:54.000 You can be with him on that cross.
00:46:57.000 You were with him on that cross.
00:46:59.000 You can be with him in the resurrection.
00:47:01.000 You are with him in the resurrection.
00:47:03.000 The price is you get out of the illusion.
00:47:06.000 That's right.
00:47:07.000 And this new rain falls on severed branches and the soil is enriched.
00:47:12.000 You're right.
00:47:13.000 And thank you for working through that with me in this way because from the beginning of this podcast, I was probably, I said to Russell before the show today, like, I feel sort of too tired, but I realized what.
00:47:26.000 The tiredness is a sort of a feeling of not wanting to confront what I felt, what I feel.
00:47:33.000 That's so good that you know that.
00:47:35.000 Yeah.
00:47:36.000 We have a message from somebody on Instagram or something.
00:47:43.000 I'm not sure.
00:47:43.000 But we wanted to play it and answer.
00:47:45.000 Apparently, it's a question, but it is two minutes.
00:47:47.000 What do you think?
00:47:48.000 Well, good luck getting two minutes to silence out me.
00:47:50.000 But Massey, our producer, has sent this.
00:47:52.000 Yes.
00:47:53.000 So let's listen to this.
00:47:53.000 And if you have a message for us, please, why don't you send it to us on Instagram and we'll do our level best.
00:47:58.000 To help in the way that we're helping.
00:48:00.000 Do we even know this person's name?
00:48:01.000 Yeah, don't know the person's name.
00:48:02.000 Guys, please tell us the person's name.
00:48:04.000 So if this is you, right, let's hear it then.
00:48:06.000 Let's hold it to the microphone.
00:48:07.000 All right, we ready?
00:48:08.000 And this is helping you with the brands.
00:48:14.000 Team.
00:48:16.000 I'm all right.
00:48:17.000 Probably won't listen to this message, but it's okay.
00:48:21.000 Probably won't listen to this message, but we are.
00:48:23.000 For a very long time, for a number of years, I've watched your YouTube.
00:48:27.000 Sounds a bit like your brother and my cousin.
00:48:30.000 Yeah.
00:48:30.000 Gone over to Rumble and.
00:48:34.000 And everywhere.
00:48:36.000 And sometimes I watch, sometimes I don't.
00:48:40.000 What?
00:48:40.000 Disloyal.
00:48:41.000 At the time, like, I've watched you.
00:48:45.000 I saw you turn to God.
00:48:47.000 Where's Masses, Elise?
00:48:49.000 And it gave me a massive push in the right direction.
00:48:55.000 And then I saw you turn to Jesus.
00:48:57.000 And I watched that.
00:48:58.000 And that was beautiful.
00:49:00.000 And it really turned me to Jesus.
00:49:03.000 And now I still have, like, a problem with alcohol.
00:49:10.000 It's okay.
00:49:10.000 Like, I'm dealing with it and I'm on the path.
00:49:13.000 I started going to church every Sunday for the last.
00:49:17.000 It's good that you're going to church.
00:49:19.000 It's not okay that you have a problem with alcohol.
00:49:21.000 Not that I'm judging you, I'm loving you.
00:49:23.000 Stop drinking one day at a time and get help.
00:49:27.000 There are 12 step fellowships available that have the word alcoholics in the name and are anonymous for people to attend.
00:49:36.000 And one day at a time, you'll get the support.
00:49:38.000 You can't on your own do this.
00:49:40.000 You need God, but you might not even know how to get God on your own.
00:49:44.000 I'm just with my girlfriend as well, which is amazing.
00:49:47.000 And on occasion, we pray together in bed.
00:49:51.000 That's beautiful.
00:49:55.000 Nobody talks about the question I'm going to ask.
00:49:58.000 And that is like, sometimes when I pray, I have goosebumps.
00:50:04.000 The hairs on my arms and body and legs stand up, and I really feel the Holy Spirit.
00:50:15.000 Well, all right, I know he's not finished the question, but that's God with you.
00:50:17.000 And today, when me and my daughters stayed at a hotel spontaneously yesterday as a result of me attending an event connected to one of the groups that I attend in order to not drink or take drugs one day at a time.
00:50:32.000 And a woman, her name was Whitney, hello, Whitney, came up to me and she talked to me about our Lord Christ.
00:50:40.000 And she said, Oh, whenever I get those goosebumps, and you love a goosebump, don't you?
00:50:45.000 Well, I think we talked about it on week two or three of the show.
00:50:47.000 I mean, I don't know.
00:50:49.000 Word this kind of easily.
00:50:50.000 I'm a goose bumper.
00:50:52.000 Go on. 0.98
00:50:52.000 I'd say you're almost a pedophile for goose bumps. 0.98
00:50:57.000 I do get goose bumps probably more often than necessary. 0.99
00:51:00.000 You're a bumper file.
00:51:02.000 You're after them goose bumps.
00:51:04.000 But one thing, when I did say that that week, because I think I must have said I got goose bumps over, I don't know, like, I don't know, we were talking about, like Patrick Swayze or it was something random.
00:51:14.000 It wasn't about God, was it?
00:51:16.000 That week it came up, River Dance.
00:51:18.000 It was River Dance.
00:51:20.000 Or something.
00:51:21.000 And yeah, go on.
00:51:22.000 Well, because the goosebump is that.
00:51:26.000 Consider this, because it's pretty simple, but within you is an abyss.
00:51:31.000 Just imagine that, a nothingness.
00:51:33.000 And then outside of you, a nothingness.
00:51:35.000 And these two nothingnesses are connected just by five fishing lines.
00:51:40.000 That's all we've got the sense of sight, the sense of smell, the sense of hearing.
00:51:43.000 And, you know, I'm sure there's some nuance to that.
00:51:45.000 But when you feel something on your skin like that as a response to God, mate, don't you think?
00:51:50.000 Yeah.
00:51:51.000 Then that is a communion, a connection.
00:51:54.000 And this is what this woman Whitney was talking to me about this morning.
00:51:57.000 As we said, as I discussed with her the idea that we are with Christ in all eternity, through all eternity.
00:52:04.000 And even if you approach this not only from a secular, but from a materialistic and atheistic perspective, that if the way that we detect that the Big Bang was 13.8 billion years ago is by measuring particles and the rate of motion, we could detect that 13.8 billion years ago, if you were to reverse the direction, it would all have been some something.
00:52:24.000 Particle, etc., etc., yeah, then all things were one, all things were one, and as we always say, no one knows what was happening on the Tuesday afternoon before that big bang.
00:52:35.000 And in that, for a moment, as in quantum entanglement, in that moment, there is no time or space.
00:52:42.000 You feel him in you.
00:52:43.000 You know that you are with him.
00:52:44.000 You know that it's him talking to him all the time.
00:52:47.000 Did you have something?
00:52:48.000 No, I'm saying, let's continue.
00:52:51.000 I am in church when I'm singing, when I feel completely surrendered.
00:52:59.000 And no one talks about that.
00:53:00.000 So I would love for you to talk about how you feel God.
00:53:06.000 And if that's not a normal thing, or if I'm just going mad, and I don't know, like I feel like I know it's God, it happens when I pray and I'm talking and it happens, and that's incredible.
00:53:28.000 And I just like nobody talks about it.
00:53:32.000 The people I know that are kind of Christian, I say that to them, they're like, oh, that's amazing.
00:53:37.000 But like, they don't actually say that happens.
00:53:41.000 Is it a normal thing?
00:53:44.000 Do people get that?
00:53:46.000 I don't think.
00:53:47.000 Anyway, if you can do something like that, that would be great.
00:53:50.000 Bold.
00:53:51.000 Love your work, love the team, all your vibes, and keep doing what you're doing, Blaz.
00:53:57.000 It's inspiring and amazing, and it's probably much closer to God than I ever thought I would be.
00:54:05.000 What could be better than to hear that from somebody?
00:54:07.000 What a beautiful thing to say.
00:54:08.000 Stay making me get goosebumps and welling up.
00:54:12.000 I got tears.
00:54:12.000 I got goosebumps.
00:54:13.000 I think I felt a stir in your head.
00:54:15.000 No, no.
00:54:16.000 Please.
00:54:17.000 Well, listen, this is what I think about that, mate.
00:54:19.000 Yeah, people do feel that.
00:54:20.000 That's the Holy Spirit.
00:54:21.000 I mean, when I think of some of the teachers and the people that I've prayed with, they like that.
00:54:24.000 A lot of them are like, look, look, they're always doing stuff like that to me.
00:54:27.000 So, I mean, we should notice, we should focus on that.
00:54:29.000 Pay attention to it.
00:54:30.000 Yeah, we should, because I know I get goosebumps, and I now just think it's almost an inconvenience.
00:54:37.000 No, just like, ow.
00:54:38.000 We like it almost like it's a joke.
00:54:40.000 But actually, I probably overlook it.
00:54:42.000 I get it.
00:54:43.000 I often get it.
00:54:44.000 And it's spirit, it's Holy Spirit.
00:54:47.000 Is it?
00:54:47.000 I think so, my darling.
00:54:49.000 Your guess is as good as mine.
00:54:51.000 But what I would say is, conform not to the patterns of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, i.e., you have access to eternity and it's coming through you and you're feeling it.
00:55:00.000 And the old you is dying and moving away, and the Lord will finish the work that He has started in us.
00:55:06.000 Also, you.
00:55:07.000 Thank you for that high praise.
00:55:08.000 This is what we're here to do.
00:55:09.000 We're here to bring one another closer to God and to walk together.
00:55:13.000 You sound like a very beautiful person. 0.93
00:55:15.000 I thought you sounded like a perv.
00:55:17.000 You sound like a very, very beautiful person when you're saying.
00:55:20.000 We've handed that message to the police.
00:55:23.000 When you're, I like the idea that you're even, you know, that you're speaking to God in the car and you're singing and it's.
00:55:29.000 There's that moment.
00:55:31.000 Yeah.
00:55:31.000 What a beautiful message.
00:55:32.000 Thank you so much.
00:55:33.000 Perhaps Massey will add the name of the person, the first name of the person, or perhaps not.
00:55:38.000 Maybe the person will just hear it and it will be.
00:55:40.000 It'll be all mysterious.
00:55:41.000 Remains mysterious. 0.99
00:55:42.000 Be part of the mystery that makes the skin tremble. 1.00
00:55:45.000 Yes, that's right. 0.74
00:55:46.000 Can you wrap up?
00:55:47.000 I do want to wrap up.
00:55:48.000 Okay, but then let me say if you have any inquiries or questions, send it to the link below and we will do those every week now.
00:55:57.000 And what I want to say also is remember, my book, How to Become a Christian in Seven Days, is available there.
00:56:02.000 Remember, we're not going to make any money out of it.
00:56:04.000 If it makes any money, we're going to do something good with it.
00:56:07.000 And it's free as an audio book if you want it.
00:56:10.000 Link, link, link.
00:56:12.000 There are those links.
00:56:13.000 Perfect.
00:56:14.000 And what do you want to press out?
00:56:16.000 Oh, am I praying?
00:56:17.000 Why would you not?
00:56:17.000 Okay.
00:56:18.000 Yes.
00:56:19.000 I'll get on my knees where I belong.
00:56:21.000 Okay.
00:56:25.000 Dear God, dear God, thank you for being with us here today.
00:56:32.000 God, I know you're here.
00:56:37.000 It's in the richness even of this natural experience, whether it's rain or if it's sunlight or if it's that charming, needful message from the unknown person who knows who they are.
00:56:49.000 They know who they are.
00:56:51.000 Thank you.
00:56:52.000 Thank you for bringing this to us today so that we could work with the experiences of our week and our feelings and, you know, without shame.
00:57:03.000 Bring forth the insecurities and the fears and the questions we have without the fear of embarrassment or the feeling that we shouldn't be asking it, but with the total confidence and comfort that this is a good place, a good place for that.
00:57:22.000 And thank you, God, for that provision.
00:57:25.000 Thank you.
00:57:26.000 Bless the people that have left all types of comments, God.
00:57:33.000 May their hearts be filled with love and may they find what they are looking for in this life, which is you ultimately.
00:57:42.000 They might not know it, but show yourself to them.
00:57:45.000 Oh, yes.
00:57:46.000 Thank you, God, for today, for this Sunday service.
00:57:51.000 And thank you for my husband and my family, my children.
00:57:56.000 I love very much.
00:57:58.000 I love you, God.
00:57:59.000 Thank you.
00:58:00.000 Amen.
00:58:02.000 Amen.
00:58:02.000 Thank you, God, for letting me be married to Laura.
00:58:05.000 Thank you, Richard.
00:58:06.000 Choosing me for her and her for me.
00:58:08.000 What a great blessing.
00:58:10.000 Thank you for all the people that work on this podcast.
00:58:11.000 I bet that Nikki gave that to Nassie, that message.
00:58:14.000 Pray for that young man to feel more and more of God and to be free from anything that torments him.
00:58:19.000 And I reiterate Laura's prayer anyone who wishes harm to us or wishes, or anyone who is her, who has been her, oh Lord, we pray for deep revelation and the deep presence of God.
00:58:33.000 We pray for your justice and your truth and your wisdom and your life and your way, because without you, there ain't no truth.
00:58:39.000 There ain't no justice, there ain't no life, there ain't no wisdom without you, Lord.
00:58:42.000 So thank you, Father, for the bringing of your kingdom.
00:58:59.000 We pray in your holy name, Heavenly Father.
00:59:03.000 Amen.
00:59:04.000 Praise Jesus.
00:59:05.000 Praise Jesus.
00:59:08.000 Is that you speaking in tongues?
00:59:09.000 Oh, Ross.
00:59:12.000 Oh, Russ!
00:59:12.000 Because sometimes that's surprising to me.
00:59:15.000 Yeah, I know, I'm a surprising guy.
00:59:19.000 My body's swaying from side to side, I don't see what anyone can see.
00:59:30.000 For you, Laura.
00:59:32.000 Thank you.