Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 04, 2026


Washington Is Finally Being Forced to Confront Epstein - SF754


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1 hour and 6 minutes

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00:00:00.000 Hey, on the show today, we have got Barbara Jorgussas.
00:00:04.000 Did I say it right?
00:00:06.000 And we've got Christy Anastas.
00:00:08.000 Did I say it right?
00:00:10.000 And we're going to be talking about religious freedom and bodily freedom.
00:00:14.000 We're also going to be talking about COVID in Lego City.
00:00:18.000 And my word, wait till you see what else we're bringing you this week on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:00:23.000 Up a bit, down a bit, more pressure.
00:00:25.000 All right, stay free.
00:00:26.000 Wake me up.
00:00:29.000 Wake me up.
00:00:30.000 Wake me up, can I wake me up?
00:00:34.000 Wake me up, can just wake me up?
00:00:39.000 Wake me up, can my love?
00:00:50.000 Hello there, you're awakening wonders.
00:00:51.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:00:54.000 Hey, a round of applause to cover briefly the sound of my barking dog.
00:00:58.000 I bought my dog Coco.
00:01:00.000 I thought it would be all right.
00:01:02.000 It isn't all right.
00:01:02.000 I did not anticipate.
00:01:04.000 Coco!
00:01:05.000 Coco!
00:01:05.000 Coco!
00:01:06.000 I didn't anticipate the level, potential level of pressure that would be concomitant with bringing that canine beast.
00:01:13.000 Ah, man, when the beast is unleashed, it's chaos.
00:01:15.000 What a show we're going to have today, I'm sure of that.
00:01:18.000 So, first of all, Jake, do you feel okay, my darling?
00:01:21.000 I'm feeling very good, actually.
00:01:23.000 Why?
00:01:24.000 I don't know.
00:01:25.000 I'm kind of confused why it feels so good.
00:01:27.000 I feel all right.
00:01:28.000 I mean, listen, we're under a lot of pressure.
00:01:30.000 There's a lot going on.
00:01:31.000 We're deep into spiritual warfare.
00:01:33.000 This is Coco, see?
00:01:34.000 I wasn't lying about that.
00:01:35.000 We've got a lot of things to talk about.
00:01:38.000 Like, I'm going to start with some, like, gentle things.
00:01:40.000 I'll tell you about the guests that are coming up.
00:01:42.000 Oh, but did you hear that?
00:01:45.000 The doctor went.
00:01:45.000 It's got a nice sound in its own way.
00:01:50.000 Meow.
00:01:54.000 Meow.
00:01:55.000 If you've just tuned in, I'm not having a mental breakdown, or maybe I am.
00:01:59.000 But also, there was some context to it.
00:02:00.000 The dog was making that noise on the microphone.
00:02:02.000 So, hey, listen, let's get straight into it.
00:02:04.000 This matters.
00:02:05.000 Thomas Massey, political renegade, and by my reckoning at least, man of ideals and principle, is literally going out there and naming people from the Epstein file list.
00:02:18.000 What's been amazing is since the Epstein files, which in a sense, in a way, it's a symbol.
00:02:23.000 The Epstein files is the symbol.
00:02:25.000 Of something that many people have long felt, people in positions of political power are compromised.
00:02:31.000 Potentially, they're compromised sexually.
00:02:34.000 There's a whole variety of ways that they could be compromised.
00:02:38.000 Another thing that the Epstein file symbolizes there are relationships between nations and even entities and institutions that subvert and transcend the relationships between their population and their democratic government.
00:02:51.000 I.e., there might be relationships between deep state agencies, e.g., Israel or Saudi Arabia, see, don't matter which one.
00:02:59.000 And the UK or the US or Russia, see, don't matter which ones, that transcend the explicit sovereign duties of a government elected by a population.
00:03:08.000 And what the Epstein files.
00:03:09.000 Oh, this dog just started.
00:03:11.000 And what the Epstein files reveal, you know, there's always.
00:03:15.000 Yeah, well, all right, I'll use it as a metaphor.
00:03:17.000 Within the digestive system, there is a concealed gas that has been let out through the rectum and anal aperture.
00:03:29.000 Of the Epstein files.
00:03:30.000 Here's Thomas Massey, boy who cried wolf, or Dachshundfat.
00:03:35.000 It's been a year since the president signed the Epstein Files Transparency Act, and the government continues to withhold over 3 million files.
00:03:43.000 We want perpetrators of these crimes to be investigated and prosecuted.
00:03:47.000 Men like Jess Staley, Leon Black, Les Wexner, David Copperfield, Lapo Elkham, Tom Pritzker, Glenn Dubin, Frederick Fakai.
00:03:57.000 What I think is tough about that is I don't know about you, the only person I've heard on.
00:04:00.000 In that list is David Copperfield, right?
00:04:03.000 Like everyone else, I know Leon Black is, I don't know any of them other people are.
00:04:06.000 So I'm like listening to it going, you better say Obama, you better say Clinton, give us someone good, I'm rooting for someone that matters.
00:04:14.000 And then it's like, David Copperfield?
00:04:16.000 David Copperfield?
00:04:18.000 From the old days with the haircut that made the Statue of Liberty disappear.
00:04:23.000 Didn't make them Epstein files disappear, did he?
00:04:26.000 Ken Dubin, Frederick Fakai, Eduardo Teodorani, John Luke Brunel, conveniently dead by suicide in prison.
00:04:33.000 Daniel Siyod recently.
00:04:35.000 I like that Thomas Massey's like doing suicide and unalive jokes.
00:04:39.000 They're conveniently dead.
00:04:41.000 Like, obviously, Epstein himself died in extraordinary circumstances in custody with the footage disappearing.
00:04:50.000 Whenever you hear it, here are things to watch out.
00:04:52.000 Like, you know, look, man, I got my own stuff to deal with.
00:04:55.000 Who knows how much longer I've got doing this?
00:04:58.000 But I just will let you know here are some buzzwords to watch out for lone gunman.
00:05:04.000 If you hear lone gunman, just pay a little bit of attention before you go, okay, fair enough.
00:05:10.000 Just a lone gunman, was it?
00:05:11.000 Because.
00:05:12.000 What I think is often lone gunmen seem to be killing people that are of an enormous advantage to the state.
00:05:20.000 It's like the lone gunmen are doing the bidding of a government kind of thing.
00:05:24.000 Like, oh, it's convenient that that lone gunman killed someone who the state would benefit from being killed.
00:05:31.000 What a massive coincidence!
00:05:34.000 And the same with suicide.
00:05:36.000 Seems that basically everyone who could potentially have access to the private affairs of the Clintons is suicidal.
00:05:43.000 At best, Hanging out with the Clintons makes you depressed to the point of suicide, which, you know, have you seen them?
00:05:49.000 That could be a reasonable explanation.
00:05:52.000 But at worst, these are not real suicides!
00:05:57.000 See Odd, recently discovered dead in Paris, Ramsay Alcoli, and Prince Andrew, who committed sex crimes in the United States, too.
00:06:05.000 And now there I draw the line.
00:06:08.000 He is a son of Her Majesty the Queen of England.
00:06:12.000 If you're suggesting that the royal family.
00:06:16.000 Of the United Kingdom could be tied up.
00:06:19.000 I'm looking at the faces of my American audience, merch.
00:06:21.000 Check them out.
00:06:21.000 Let's look at the faces of the Americans here.
00:06:24.000 Show their faces.
00:06:25.000 If you think that Prince Andrew, a member of the royal family, could in any way look at their faces, they actually do think it's possible, don't they?
00:06:35.000 Oh, you think Prince Andrew could be involved, huh?
00:06:38.000 In sex stuff.
00:06:40.000 Oh, that's interesting.
00:06:41.000 I mean, do you think?
00:06:42.000 Look, let's open our minds real wide now.
00:06:44.000 Not so wide that our brains fall out, but let's open our minds real wide.
00:06:49.000 Do you think it's possible that anyone went to Epstein Island?
00:06:53.000 Like, you know, sometimes people go that they're going to Thailand or Bangkok and it's like, I'm going to look at the temples.
00:06:59.000 And you go, It's for the fucking ladyboys, isn't it?
00:07:04.000 It's for the ladyboys.
00:07:05.000 No, no.
00:07:07.000 As a sleeping Buddha statue, come on.
00:07:10.000 There's a floating market.
00:07:11.000 You can ride on an elephant's back.
00:07:14.000 Be honest.
00:07:16.000 Just the ladyboys.
00:07:16.000 Do you think that anyone went to Epstein Island?
00:07:20.000 And they were just like, I like Jeff.
00:07:24.000 He's good company.
00:07:26.000 There's a lot of young people hanging out.
00:07:28.000 It's good times, good times on Epstein Island.
00:07:31.000 I'm there, they might say, in good faith.
00:07:34.000 Like maybe David Copperfield and whoever he was there with were there just to perform some little tricks, maybe.
00:07:40.000 I don't know.
00:07:40.000 I don't know what goes, because guess what?
00:07:42.000 I didn't go.
00:07:44.000 I've never been to Epstein Island.
00:07:47.000 I don't know, these people, man.
00:07:49.000 What I'm really interested in.
00:07:50.000 Is not the kind of peripheral figures that have no.
00:07:53.000 I'm interested, and I reckon you are too if you examine yourselves in real power.
00:07:58.000 So when people's names come out in these Epstein files, of course, what you want is justice for the actual victims.
00:08:04.000 Victoria Gwifri, I think I'm saying her name right, who took her own life pretty recently and who did allege that Prince Andrew and her had what she describes as a non consensual encounter at minimum, I have to say.
00:08:18.000 And I sometimes forget because I'm so caught up.
00:08:19.000 Sorry about the dog, man.
00:08:20.000 Sorry about the dog.
00:08:21.000 I sometimes forget because I'm so caught up in my.
00:08:24.000 Deep loathing of corrupt power and hypocrisy.
00:08:26.000 I forget that this case involves victims.
00:08:28.000 Like, there are people that have like having nightmares and trauma and bodily scars as a result of abuse and sexual abuse and terrible, terrible exploitative things.
00:08:36.000 I forget that because I can't get my head out of what's going on with these powerful people around the world.
00:08:42.000 What is going on?
00:08:43.000 I know there's something going on.
00:08:45.000 And I somehow think that the Epstein files is a piece of interstitial material between something quite important.
00:08:52.000 How does occult and esoteric power affect human institutional power?
00:08:59.000 All of us know that power is corrupt.
00:09:01.000 All of us know that our governments lie to us.
00:09:03.000 All of us know that our media lies to us.
00:09:05.000 All of us know that there are laws and regulations that are introduced and they say that it protects you and make you safe.
00:09:10.000 But really, it's the control and exploit you.
00:09:11.000 We know that now.
00:09:12.000 We're way beyond the point of, you know, COVID taught us that, isn't it?
00:09:16.000 On this hand, we're protecting you.
00:09:17.000 On the other hand, we're using these experimental drugs.
00:09:19.000 You're getting exploited.
00:09:20.000 You're getting controlled.
00:09:21.000 You're getting prepped.
00:09:22.000 Well, everyone understands that now.
00:09:23.000 I don't think there's anyone who doubts that anymore.
00:09:26.000 What really interests me is is there something more to this than money and measurable human power?
00:09:33.000 Is there something more?
00:09:34.000 Is there something more?
00:09:35.000 Because look at us.
00:09:36.000 We're all fallen people that like pleasure, that like power.
00:09:41.000 We're all that.
00:09:41.000 That includes us all.
00:09:44.000 But what interests me is, is there some esoteric, occult, supernatural dimension to all of this?
00:09:49.000 And increasingly, peculiarly, it seems like there might be.
00:09:53.000 All of those things that they labor pretty hard Waverly Furniture Company, Pizzagate, the things they work pretty hard to go, oh, that's ridiculous.
00:10:00.000 We'd never do a thing like that.
00:10:02.000 Always, by the way, expecting us to forget that throughout human history, people in positions of power have had weird sexual shit going on, man.
00:10:10.000 Like you're just standard.
00:10:11.000 If you go and stayed with some sultan in, like, I don't know, 500 years ago, 1,000 years ago, or whatever, they have harems.
00:10:18.000 Right, right?
00:10:19.000 You think that powerful people, we're modern powerful people.
00:10:22.000 We've got the internet.
00:10:24.000 We don't have genitals.
00:10:25.000 Like, you think that what makes you think that the powerful people now are any different from powerful people 500 years ago?
00:10:33.000 Examine it, interrogate it, take that thought captive, hold a gun to that thought's head, and make it tell you the truth.
00:10:39.000 Because I think you'll discover eventually that the Epstein files are fascinating because powerful people have often engaged in this kind of conduct and behavior.
00:10:49.000 Even in scripture, the Jezebel and King Ahab portion of the book of Kings, for example, is talking about ritualized sexual behavior in order to generate different forms of power.
00:11:03.000 Later on in the show today, my guest, make sure I say her name right, Christy Anastas, will be talking somewhat about non canonical literature, specifically the early part of the book of Enoch, which talks about chapters and concepts that are in the canonical Bible, i.e., Genesis 6, the fallen angels, the Daughters, the sons of God saw the daughters of man like them got involved.
00:11:27.000 I'm paraphrasing, that's not how it says it in the Bible.
00:11:30.000 That is espoused and elaborated on in the book of Enoch.
00:11:33.000 And we learn of a supernatural realm and supernatural entities.
00:11:37.000 Supernatural could just mean beyond the senses, it could just mean beyond our understanding.
00:11:43.000 Human beings often mistake the threshold of our own understanding with the threshold of what is possible.
00:11:49.000 We do it again and again.
00:11:51.000 The atom is the smallest thing.
00:11:53.000 Potentiality in which the smallest particles appear to be both waves and particles simultaneously, and there could be, it seems, an engagement with the consciousness of the observer.
00:12:03.000 What I'm saying is, we know very little about reality, but what we do know as a result of the Epstein files, and what we do know as a result of Thomas Massey, is David Copperfield had more tricks up his sleeve than he was letting us know.
00:12:15.000 Hey, I had to tie it up somehow.
00:12:16.000 Let's see what the rest of this is.
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00:13:33.000 And women like Leslie Groff, not a victim, who conspired with Epstein to traffic other women.
00:13:39.000 Perhaps hearing these names will shame the Department of Justice into delivering justice.
00:13:46.000 It's very funny that you can't rely on the Department of Justice to deliver justice, because that's its name.
00:13:53.000 Here at the Department of Justice, we may or may not deliver justice.
00:13:56.000 We're still trying to make our minds up.
00:13:58.000 And Polymarket agrees even with these latest disclosures, the chance of anyone being jailed is 4%.
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00:14:07.000 We won't get justice.
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00:14:09.000 How far we have come.
00:14:11.000 How ridiculous our systems and institutions are now.
00:14:14.000 That it's just ordinary for us to accept that our governments are corrupt, that our media lies to us, that pharmaceutical companies sell us products that are bad for us and will keep that information from us for as long as possible so we can profit, that food is laced with toxicity and chemicals that are harmful for us.
00:14:28.000 Just everywhere, it's a 360 snow globe of total absolute corruption in every single direction.
00:14:36.000 But the good news is this within you, there is a portal to limitless power that you yourself have access to.
00:14:42.000 And if you refuse to let them shut that door, you are a participant in a glorious revolution.
00:14:47.000 We've got that to look forward to.
00:14:49.000 Anyway, check this out.
00:14:51.000 This is just something that I found on X over there.
00:14:53.000 If you're watching us on X, by the way, thank you.
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00:15:11.000 She legit.
00:15:12.000 If you're trying to think of a way to remember She legit, just think, She legit, motherfucker.
00:15:17.000 And then you'll never forget it again.
00:15:19.000 I'm going to take a Sheila Jit right now.
00:15:20.000 Anyone here in the audience fancy a Sheila Jit?
00:15:23.000 You might wonder.
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00:15:27.000 I'm still an addict at heart.
00:15:29.000 Would you like to have this pill?
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00:15:35.000 We'll work it out.
00:15:37.000 At least you're actually supposed to ask what the pill does first.
00:15:40.000 What it does is it reduces anxiety and levels you the F out.
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00:15:46.000 Also, Methylene Blue.
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00:16:05.000 Now, it is a gamble because you've got to get it down your neck or Gregory Peck, as we say in Cockney, without dropping this blue dye.
00:16:14.000 If you get it on your clothes, it's gone, it's over, there's nothing you can do about it.
00:16:20.000 I did it, but I touched my tooth, so it's possible.
00:16:28.000 Did I make it?
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00:16:46.000 Okay.
00:16:48.000 Yo, let's have a look at this dude I see on X talking about the nature of time in a very reassuring Mr. Rogers, Carl Sagan, the old days when people on television weren't automatically definitely a pedophile type times where you feel a bit more relaxed about stuff.
00:17:01.000 Let's have a look.
00:17:02.000 There is no time.
00:17:03.000 Okay.
00:17:04.000 Period.
00:17:05.000 Have you ever. Been to the past or the future.
00:17:09.000 Thought, thought, past is thought.
00:17:10.000 No, no, you think of the past, but you think of the past now.
00:17:16.000 Have you ever actually been to the place called the past that you think about?
00:17:20.000 No.
00:17:21.000 It's not possible.
00:17:22.000 Nobody's ever been there.
00:17:24.000 It's a belief.
00:17:25.000 It's just a belief that we all take for granted.
00:17:28.000 Is it your experience that the now is moving along a line of time from the past to the future?
00:17:36.000 Is the now moving?
00:17:38.000 And how long does the now last?
00:17:41.000 I don't think I've ever measured it by chance.
00:17:43.000 It doesn't.
00:17:44.000 It doesn't last.
00:17:45.000 The now doesn't last in time.
00:17:46.000 There is no time for the now to last in.
00:17:50.000 Now is not a moment sandwiched between these two vast spaces.
00:17:55.000 There are.
00:17:56.000 There is no vast space at the side of the now.
00:17:59.000 The now is not a moment.
00:18:01.000 These are New Age ideas.
00:18:02.000 They have nothing to do with truth or reality.
00:18:06.000 Now is not a moment.
00:18:08.000 Eternity, the ever present, not the everlasting.
00:18:11.000 But when that now is filtered through the limitations of the mind, it appears as time.
00:18:20.000 The mind is like a prism which refracts the now, which has no dimensions, into a single dimension of time.
00:18:29.000 Hey, so what's your name, mate?
00:18:31.000 Harley.
00:18:32.000 So, generally, again, people you would ask that first.
00:18:35.000 You've agreed to take it, she's legit.
00:18:37.000 There's one.
00:18:37.000 I agree to take it, it's legit.
00:18:39.000 I mean, she's legit.
00:18:40.000 Take it then.
00:18:41.000 Did you see?
00:18:42.000 Look at that.
00:18:42.000 What a tender exchange between men.
00:18:44.000 What a loving exchange.
00:18:45.000 Why does everything have to be?
00:18:46.000 You know, we don't need to make it weird.
00:18:48.000 Me and Holly are just a couple of guys.
00:18:50.000 I need some water to wash it down.
00:18:52.000 Oh, yeah, he's dry.
00:18:53.000 I say that's a sign of.
00:18:54.000 Taking it dry.
00:18:56.000 I said that, like, mate, if you can't take pills without liquid, you're in the wrong game.
00:19:01.000 We take our She Legit raw, motherfucker.
00:19:04.000 We take it straight down.
00:19:05.000 All right, anyone else want some of that She Legit?
00:19:07.000 Sweet, sweet She Legit, baby.
00:19:09.000 Want some?
00:19:10.000 Here you go, mate.
00:19:11.000 Get it down, you.
00:19:12.000 I think you're going to make take four a day.
00:19:14.000 Well done.
00:19:14.000 It's a good work.
00:19:14.000 Whose water is that?
00:19:15.000 My water you're dishing out, or is that just bodily water?
00:19:17.000 Anyone else want some?
00:19:18.000 You want some?
00:19:19.000 Here, Merch.
00:19:20.000 Here you go.
00:19:20.000 Watch it go into the hand.
00:19:21.000 That's the pack shot.
00:19:22.000 Oh, you're getting a lot.
00:19:23.000 Anyone else want some of this?
00:19:25.000 Like communion.
00:19:25.000 Haha, lady.
00:19:26.000 Cross the arms like it's a communion.
00:19:29.000 She's crossing her arms.
00:19:30.000 My man.
00:19:31.000 Yeah, you got face tattoos.
00:19:32.000 You ain't afraid of nothing, are you?
00:19:34.000 Take the whole lot.
00:19:35.000 Of course you can, Sean.
00:19:36.000 You.
00:19:37.000 Like, mate, if you want to line that up on your table and relive those.
00:19:40.000 Is that the thing that's going to mess up my 15 year sobriety?
00:19:44.000 You ain't going out on Sheila Jit.
00:19:46.000 If me and you go out, we're going out on fentanyl and meth.
00:19:49.000 Yeah.
00:19:50.000 We're not going.
00:19:53.000 You've got to put that plan aside and hand yourself over to the Holy One.
00:19:56.000 To the Holy One.
00:19:59.000 You will need neat lines of the Holy One.
00:20:01.000 It's the only drug that's ever going to work for you, my friend.
00:20:03.000 Okay, time now for us.
00:20:05.000 Hey, earlier you may have seen, earlier this week, you may have seen my beloved friend Sean on the show.
00:20:10.000 And I hope you, so things are going to make more sense to you than they do for me.
00:20:14.000 Hey, now it's time for my next guest.
00:20:16.000 We have a clip.
00:20:17.000 Time now for my next guest, and here's a clip that will help you to understand her a little better.
00:20:22.000 Barbara Jorgosis.
00:20:25.000 Oh no, I've dried on this pronunciation.
00:20:27.000 Jorgosis.
00:20:28.000 Jorgosis.
00:20:30.000 This is it, right?
00:20:31.000 Me and Barbara Georgussis, it's just an unusual name, hold on.
00:20:34.000 Georgussis, Georgussis.
00:20:36.000 That many syllables, huh?
00:20:37.000 Three.
00:20:39.000 Georgussis, Georgussis.
00:20:41.000 Who can think of a good mnemonic device for that?
00:20:43.000 Georgussis, Georgussis.
00:20:46.000 Jaws gets us.
00:20:47.000 Georgussis, Jaws gets us.
00:20:49.000 You're not safe to go back in the water, Jaws gets us.
00:20:51.000 Barbara Georgussis, Barbara Georgussis, who's a movement therapist and recovery specialist.
00:20:57.000 She works and helps people with drug addiction issues around here, but me and her will try and find some connection anyway.
00:21:03.000 She's going to teach us a few moves.
00:21:05.000 Before that, let's have a look at this.
00:21:06.000 James Brown, the legendary musician, had some very sage advice for us.
00:21:11.000 He said that the one thing that can solve most of our problems is dancing.
00:21:17.000 Well, people throughout the ages have understood exactly the power of dance for individuals, for groups, for communities.
00:21:26.000 Also, James Brown, I think, tries to solve a lot of his problems with cocaine.
00:21:30.000 So, no one's perfect.
00:21:31.000 But please welcome.
00:21:32.000 Barbara Georgosas.
00:21:38.000 Hi.
00:21:39.000 Barbara, thanks.
00:21:40.000 Sit down.
00:21:41.000 Be at comfort and be of ease.
00:21:43.000 Thank you.
00:21:44.000 So, mate, thanks for joining us.
00:21:46.000 We met.
00:21:46.000 Can we talk about how we met?
00:21:48.000 I would love to talk about how we met.
00:21:50.000 Well, we met at a treatment center that helps people with drug and alcohol problems.
00:21:55.000 And I didn't know that, in addition to the more conventional therapy that you offer, you do these movement related therapies.
00:22:02.000 Now, I made that joke.
00:22:04.000 I blame that on you.
00:22:05.000 You provoked her.
00:22:06.000 I watched that unfold.
00:22:07.000 Mertz, get a shot at that lady.
00:22:09.000 The dog barks, but what was not seen on camera is that lady, and I saw this with my own eyes, put her finger in the dog's bottom.
00:22:15.000 Now, sometimes people do that because they claim it's a training technique.
00:22:19.000 It isn't.
00:22:20.000 It's unfair.
00:22:21.000 Nobody likes it.
00:22:22.000 Barbara, when we met at the treatment center there, we've done pretty conventional group therapy, talk therapy.
00:22:31.000 What is the benefit and the advantage of this kind of movement therapy?
00:22:35.000 Because a lot of people think that stuff's.
00:22:36.000 You know, BS and hocus pocus, you know, horses, equine therapy, it's all made up.
00:22:42.000 Art therapy is all made up.
00:22:43.000 Tell us about movement therapy.
00:22:45.000 Well, you know, the body is made to move.
00:22:47.000 So when we do drugs, if I can get those who have done drugs to understand, yeah, for a long period of time, the body starts shutting down and numbing out.
00:22:57.000 Movement helps engage in the body again.
00:23:01.000 The body and the mind need re engagement.
00:23:05.000 So I come in and I say, hey, We're going to start breathing and we start very small and just take some breaths.
00:23:15.000 Let's all take a breath right here.
00:23:18.000 And you might be scared to breathe, but you're doing it 24 7.
00:23:21.000 I'm not scared.
00:23:23.000 What kind of breathing are we going to do?
00:23:25.000 Well, we're going to breathe from the belly, right?
00:23:27.000 So diaphragmatic breathing starts from where your ribcage is, way at the bottom here.
00:23:32.000 And you're going to fill your body all the way up to the top of your crown, okay?
00:23:36.000 And this is how we start regulating these things called feels.
00:23:41.000 Fields.
00:23:42.000 You know about feels?
00:23:44.000 Your body feels.
00:23:46.000 And when you do drugs, like I used to do, you're not feeling your feels in an authentic way.
00:23:54.000 And the movement starts waking that up.
00:23:57.000 Are you using the word feel?
00:24:00.000 Feel.
00:24:01.000 F E E L.
00:24:04.000 Okay.
00:24:05.000 Feelings.
00:24:05.000 Sensation would be.
00:24:06.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:24:08.000 Feelings.
00:24:08.000 I'm about that sort of thing.
00:24:09.000 I'll handle that side of things.
00:24:11.000 Say feel is like a synonym.
00:24:13.000 Focus on what it is you're trying to teach people.
00:24:15.000 He was in a group, obviously, it sounds like.
00:24:17.000 So, with a movement therapist, perhaps?
00:24:19.000 I don't know.
00:24:19.000 But yes, we have sensations.
00:24:21.000 So, the body starts feeling these emotions first.
00:24:26.000 So, can I use you as an example?
00:24:28.000 Yes.
00:24:28.000 If I did this to you, did you sense that?
00:24:32.000 Did you feel?
00:24:33.000 Okay.
00:24:33.000 I liked it.
00:24:34.000 It was a part of the shoulder.
00:24:34.000 It was affirming.
00:24:36.000 It was affirming.
00:24:37.000 I'm doing all right, man.
00:24:38.000 I'm doing a good job.
00:24:39.000 She didn't mind earlier when I told her not to do crap jokes.
00:24:42.000 If I kept doing this to you over.
00:24:44.000 I don't like it now.
00:24:45.000 And over.
00:24:46.000 It's annoying.
00:24:47.000 And over.
00:24:48.000 Become annoying.
00:24:49.000 I think she's using it too.
00:24:49.000 Annoying is an emotion.
00:24:52.000 That's a word.
00:24:53.000 So we start feeling first, and then we start with this vocabulary called emotions.
00:25:00.000 So there's an actual thing called intelligent emotions.
00:25:02.000 Emotional processing where we have to learn how to identify our emotions with each other.
00:25:09.000 That's part of the problem.
00:25:10.000 You think that some people are emotionally illiterate and don't even know how to identify their own emotions?
00:25:14.000 Absolutely.
00:25:15.000 Yes.
00:25:15.000 Can you give me an example of that?
00:25:17.000 How do you feel?
00:25:18.000 Fine?
00:25:19.000 Okay?
00:25:20.000 Good?
00:25:21.000 Right?
00:25:23.000 That's like an adolescent where they just say, Yeah, I'm okay.
00:25:27.000 I'm good.
00:25:28.000 So does a musician just know one song?
00:25:32.000 No.
00:25:32.000 Does a writer just write one book?
00:25:34.000 No.
00:25:35.000 Okay.
00:25:35.000 Some do.
00:25:37.000 Okay.
00:25:38.000 Okay.
00:25:39.000 Okay.
00:25:40.000 Well, they know more than one note.
00:25:41.000 How's that?
00:25:42.000 One, right?
00:25:43.000 Okay.
00:25:43.000 So the body speaks, and we need to, when you've been using drugs and alcohol as long as we did, okay, I'm going to include you on that.
00:25:53.000 So you have not learned the vocabulary of the body.
00:25:57.000 You have not been able to study, because probably you started when you were an adolescent.
00:26:02.000 So that's why the fine, okay.
00:26:04.000 But, Bob, Rob.
00:26:05.000 Yes.
00:26:06.000 Challenge me.
00:26:07.000 Yes.
00:26:08.000 How about if we expand this beyond the sort of obvious emotional prophylactic of chemical intervention induced by drugs and into the realm of bodily restrictions that may occur socially and through family, i.e., you don't have to be a drug addict to have put a bottle on your emotion?
00:26:25.000 I think there are probably a lot of people in this room that are not drug addicts, although looking around, they do all basically look like they are drug addicts.
00:26:32.000 That will, nonetheless, yes, you, sir, I am looking at you, Sean.
00:26:37.000 But my point is that what about people who have never taken drugs but nonetheless?
00:26:41.000 Are inarticulate emotionally simply because the culture that you live in is invested in keeping you in a sort of a chokehold of emotional ignorance.
00:26:49.000 So I've worked with people like that quite a bit, including children who've been traumatized.
00:26:54.000 And we have to start maybe with art therapy, that other bullshit stuff you were talking about.
00:26:59.000 That is very profound and very, you know, a way in for the child to start describing what's going on in their body.
00:27:06.000 So the body doesn't lie, but I can bullshit my words.
00:27:10.000 I can tell you all sorts of things.
00:27:12.000 For instance, If I'm going like this, you might start picking up there's something wrong with me or that I'm not comfortable.
00:27:21.000 I'm not comfortable in my skin.
00:27:23.000 I come in and I start helping you.
00:27:26.000 We have to build a rapport first, right?
00:27:27.000 You have to kind of like me a little bit.
00:27:30.000 And it looks like people do like me a little bit because I've been doing this work for a long time and I get asked to do this work.
00:27:36.000 So we build a rapport and then we start slowly to uncover all the shame, the guilt.
00:27:43.000 The trauma that the body speaks loudly and keeps score of, and that's how we work very subtly.
00:27:51.000 It's but then we move into bigger movements.
00:27:54.000 So then I would take perhaps a whole group of people make them do it, make them love and connect, shin if they want to.
00:28:01.000 You do, but I think it would be very good if the whole audience was talked through a relatively rudimentary and not necessarily physically overwhelming movement class, yes.
00:28:13.000 They would do it.
00:28:14.000 I could absolutely.
00:28:16.000 And I have a feeling that this group of people are very open minded and willing, and that's what we need in change.
00:28:23.000 I'm looking at them.
00:28:25.000 I do.
00:28:26.000 I think that's just the drugs.
00:28:28.000 Honestly.
00:28:28.000 I honestly do.
00:28:29.000 I'm studying them.
00:28:30.000 I see something out in that bottle.
00:28:32.000 She legit.
00:28:34.000 She legit.
00:28:35.000 So, what we use with, we start with some music, because music really helps activate the body naturally.
00:28:43.000 Children start pumping and popping, and adults will do that too.
00:28:48.000 You're going to put that on not through our tech, but you're going to play it through a phone.
00:28:53.000 She's connected.
00:28:54.000 Oh, you're connected.
00:28:55.000 It's going to play through our whole studio.
00:28:56.000 here before you got here okay hey Ashley I'm coming alive wait a minute I'm feeling funky is it she or is it the she legit we'll never know dog does not like it let's get Jake man Jake's moving I'm feeling free
00:29:31.000 How are you mixing?
00:29:33.000 What shot are we on?
00:29:37.000 Because we're doing it mixing in post.
00:29:46.000 You're watching Stay Free with Russell.
00:29:48.000 You're watching Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:29:50.000 Let's have a round of applause for Barbara Joe Gorsas.
00:29:53.000 Can I just ask one question though?
00:29:55.000 Do you feel any differently?
00:29:58.000 Did you notice any shift?
00:30:01.000 I'm more relaxed.
00:30:01.000 A slight one.
00:30:02.000 I feel it.
00:30:03.000 So that was just 30 seconds.
00:30:07.000 How many people here just dance organically, naturally?
00:30:10.000 There you go.
00:30:12.000 Yeah, it's good, I think.
00:30:13.000 So you're saying that movement is part of the artillery of the body, and if you sort of get into A kind of a sedentary and rigid way of life, Barbara, you're losing your kind of fluency, your emotional fluency, like trapped emotion in the body, as it were.
00:30:27.000 Yes, that's energy.
00:30:29.000 So we got to get the body to move in order to start healing.
00:30:33.000 So movement is very healing.
00:30:35.000 Our ancestors have been moving for thousands of years, and we forget about that through trauma, through all sorts of, as you said, forces of life that trap us.
00:30:46.000 And I come in and I begin to help the person.
00:30:50.000 Reintegrate that and have a relationship with themselves sober.
00:30:53.000 Do you prefer to do it on a one on one or group setting?
00:30:57.000 Group.
00:30:58.000 What kind of groups do you do it with?
00:31:00.000 Always drug addicts or other groups?
00:31:02.000 So, this is co occurring mental health and substance abuse.
00:31:05.000 And that's my passion.
00:31:07.000 But I have done it, I've worked with lots of different kinds of people children, older adults, people with, you know, severely schizophrenia, all sorts of different kinds of.
00:31:17.000 What kind of interesting resistance have you encountered?
00:31:20.000 I'm not doing that.
00:31:22.000 I'm not doing that shit.
00:31:23.000 Oh, she's here.
00:31:24.000 And then they run.
00:31:25.000 Yes.
00:31:25.000 It's because the body is very vulnerable and people need to feel vulnerability.
00:31:31.000 So if I'm going to come into a group and I represent that and they're not ready to do that, then they sit and they observe.
00:31:38.000 There's always a place for them.
00:31:40.000 They can just observe.
00:31:41.000 And that's part of participation as well.
00:31:44.000 Yes.
00:31:44.000 I know.
00:31:45.000 Because sometimes I think like everyone in a group has to participate in the same way, i.e., a work meeting.
00:31:51.000 Some people don't talk very much.
00:31:52.000 That's right.
00:31:53.000 But they're holding a different type of, they're playing a different role in that dynamic.
00:31:58.000 That's correct.
00:31:58.000 Do you think it's quite hard when the vocabulary around therapy sometimes seems, at least to me, either woo woo or something?
00:32:06.000 Like, you know, like moving energy and stuff?
00:32:09.000 Like, don't you think that?
00:32:09.000 Well, yes.
00:32:10.000 Yes.
00:32:10.000 A lot of people, they see me as that.
00:32:12.000 Yeah.
00:32:13.000 Oh, I get that.
00:32:14.000 And I'm from the north.
00:32:16.000 I'm a Yankee.
00:32:17.000 People don't like that either.
00:32:18.000 And so when I moved down here.
00:32:20.000 Because of the war.
00:32:21.000 A lot of the culturally speaking, I represent witchcraft.
00:32:26.000 And I've had a lot of people leave my group, and we gave them homework, paperwork to do.
00:32:31.000 So, you know, movement therapy is part of the expressive arts therapy.
00:32:36.000 We have art, we have music, those things.
00:32:39.000 And yes, and you're not ready to do the work.
00:32:43.000 Possibly.
00:32:44.000 Perhaps.
00:32:44.000 And also, one of the challenges that people might be detecting is a tendency of the culture to transmigrate spiritual power into secular fields, kind of a godlessness.
00:32:56.000 They'll sort of go, Oh, we can handle all of your compassion and your mysticism over here.
00:33:02.000 And what that sort of has had a historic tendency to do is to appoint and allocate godly power to human individuals.
00:33:09.000 And Lord alone knows that there have been points in my life where I've misused that, in addition to my sort of obvious misuse of drugs and all manner of things.
00:33:18.000 Like if you have a facility for spirituality, it's very easy to maneuver people's energy.
00:33:26.000 You can do that.
00:33:27.000 And really, that should only be done in the service of the highest possible principle.
00:33:32.000 And that's why there's a predicate for selflessness at the very beginning, at the very genesis.
00:33:37.000 It's good that, say, for example, priests are celibate because we've chalked that off.
00:33:42.000 And once that, if you're establishing communities and those communities are meant to be idealistic communities, community worthy of the name, if you know that the people that are starting it and are involved in the inception don't have another motive, like money or sex seem to be the most obvious motives, once you can get rid of those motives, then you can trust people a little easier.
00:33:59.000 I do agree.
00:34:00.000 I do agree.
00:34:00.000 So I wonder how you're going to go into different environments doing this.
00:34:04.000 I'll tell you one place, we do some work by God's grace.
00:34:07.000 With Path of Grace, which is a really cool treatment center, which you might be familiar with because it's local.
00:34:12.000 Well, we're going to do an event, if it's God's will, towards the end of this month.
00:34:15.000 And perhaps you could come along to that, Barbara, and make people move about.
00:34:19.000 I would love to.
00:34:20.000 And I should have.
00:34:22.000 It's a beach barbecue, so you could march them straight into the ocean and drown them.
00:34:25.000 Yeah.
00:34:26.000 That was a joke.
00:34:28.000 I just wanted to take some of the sentimentality out of it.
00:34:30.000 My man, he gets me.
00:34:31.000 The maddest person in the room is the one that laughs the most.
00:34:35.000 That's my concern, Barbara.
00:34:39.000 I can take it on.
00:34:40.000 Trust me.
00:34:40.000 So, you're going to come and do that with us?
00:34:42.000 I would love to come and do that with you.
00:34:43.000 Is that what you want to say before we finish as a result of time constraints?
00:34:46.000 Thank you so much for inviting me.
00:34:48.000 I've been manifesting you for over 10 years.
00:34:51.000 People keep saying they're manifesting me, but I've been here for ages.
00:34:54.000 No, you haven't.
00:34:55.000 Not here.
00:34:56.000 Not right here.
00:34:58.000 So, yes.
00:34:59.000 So, thank you for that.
00:35:00.000 A lot of gratitude to the work that you're doing.
00:35:02.000 And thank you for coming out to Journey Pure.
00:35:05.000 And I would love to see you there again.
00:35:06.000 You will.
00:35:07.000 Okay.
00:35:07.000 You will.
00:35:07.000 I love that place.
00:35:08.000 It's an interesting treatment center.
00:35:10.000 I. Listen, you know, helping people with addiction issues.
00:35:13.000 I just like being in a room where I know what I'm talking about.
00:35:15.000 And that's my only option.
00:35:17.000 If I'm in a room full of drug addicts, I'm like, hmm, I know more about this than you.
00:35:22.000 But there's no other rooms where I can do that.
00:35:24.000 So I'm best off with drug addicts.
00:35:26.000 Hey, Barbara, round of applause for Barbara.
00:35:28.000 Thank you so much.
00:35:29.000 Thank you for participating.
00:35:31.000 Hey, in a minute, right, I'm going to be talking to Christy and Arsnes.
00:35:35.000 And I think it's going to be a very interesting counterpoint to the conversation that we've just had.
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00:37:06.000 I know, I remember.
00:37:07.000 Did I think that when I said it?
00:37:08.000 Yeah, you were just like, oh, I don't understand what this.
00:37:13.000 Anyway, look, I love you regardless of whether or not you give me money.
00:37:16.000 Yeah, I've been having these trends, but that does help the general business of Rumble, so I endorse it.
00:37:20.000 In that way, and it wasn't me saying those things.
00:37:22.000 So, hey, Jake, I'm experiencing these interesting transcendent states.
00:37:27.000 Can I try and explain them to you?
00:37:29.000 Absolutely.
00:37:29.000 What it is in Course in Miracles, maybe some of you know what Course in Miracles is, but what I like about Course in Miracles are these two facts.
00:37:37.000 Whoever it was that compiled that book, they didn't bother putting their name on the cover.
00:37:41.000 That's always a good sign, I think.
00:37:43.000 As soon as you don't put your name on the cover, you remove 90% of my motivation for doing anything.
00:37:49.000 Attention.
00:37:51.000 And then, I like this second fact that Marianne Williamson, who is like sort of the self help guru and Democrat.
00:38:01.000 Candidate in 2020, she, or maybe 2016 when Biden ran the first, I can't remember her, but you know, Marion Williamson.
00:38:10.000 Her whole career is sort of founded upon analysis and critiques of Course in Miracles, right?
00:38:14.000 So, what that tells you sometimes is something's got a lot of juice.
00:38:18.000 Like if something can generate that much.
00:38:20.000 Anyway, it's like one of those things that always seems bold, first person written in the voice of our Lord and Savior Christ.
00:38:26.000 And I always think, okay, when anyone's willing to do that, it's like a bold move.
00:38:31.000 But Jesus Calling by Sarah Young, a very popular daily devotional.
00:38:34.000 Does the same thing, and actually, I think she well, she legit.
00:38:39.000 I think not to keep talking about my own products here, but um, I think she legit because Sarah Young, when you listen to her the journey she's been on, she doesn't seem like a person.
00:38:49.000 This is what you basically want to know whether it's me or anybody else.
00:38:53.000 You want to know that if you get past the mask, they're not going really all I want is money and sex or money and power or whatever con constellation of selfishness people are trying to conceal behind their apparently good motives.
00:39:07.000 And if, like me, you're becoming spiritually.
00:39:09.000 Awakened through severe pain, you'll start to be more sensitive to these things.
00:39:16.000 And so, anyway, in Course in Miracles, it says something like My sinless brother, my sinless brother is my guide to peace, my sinful brother is my guide to pain.
00:39:33.000 I choose which path, right?
00:39:36.000 I can't remember the exact words.
00:39:37.000 I choose which one, right?
00:39:38.000 And you'll notice that this is familiar in many traditions, all of you by now, and I won't waste your time by doing it.
00:39:44.000 It's one of the things I personally detest.
00:39:46.000 Is you know, when someone starts to tell you a spiritual thing and you know it already, right?
00:39:50.000 Like, check it out.
00:39:51.000 I'll do it to you so you can feel the feeling.
00:39:54.000 Like, someone goes, Oh, is the internet bad?
00:39:58.000 Well, well, is it?
00:40:00.000 You could use a knife to, for example, a surgeon could use.
00:40:04.000 I know this already.
00:40:05.000 I know this already.
00:40:06.000 Stop talking.
00:40:07.000 Don't do the whole thing where the surgeon can use the knife to do surgery, but a robber could use the knife to kill someone.
00:40:12.000 Don't make me listen to all this.
00:40:14.000 Or, Ah, there are two wolves.
00:40:17.000 One wolf is mean and the other wolf is nice.
00:40:21.000 Which wolf wins?
00:40:23.000 Ah, like whenever I hear someone doing that, I'm like, no, no!
00:40:26.000 Now I'm going to be alone in my mind the whole time you're talking because you're not reaching the point I'm already at.
00:40:32.000 This is just you.
00:40:33.000 I'm just treading water, waiting for you to get where I've been for, like, I've got to be honest, decades now.
00:40:39.000 Decades now.
00:40:41.000 Being a bit envious, holding a resentment is like drinking poison and expecting.
00:40:47.000 I know this!
00:40:48.000 I've known this since I was nine!
00:40:50.000 Shut up!
00:40:50.000 Shut up!
00:40:52.000 Anyway, so this one though, but this one though, it made me realize that all apparent external information is electromagnetic information being neurologically passed between synapses.
00:41:08.000 So truly, your perspective on a person is influencing reality at the deepest level.
00:41:13.000 If you believe that someone is beautiful, you will believe them into beauty.
00:41:19.000 We are co participants, co heirs with Christ, creating reality while we live it and walk it, not in a wild, angry, trying to be nice type way.
00:41:26.000 No, you have the power of the universe coursing through you.
00:41:30.000 You are anointed and ordained.
00:41:32.000 And how that can play out, sort of in a practical way, is like that when you're feeling, as I always basically do, feelings of resentment or selfishness in many forms, that I can now, it's given me a bit more of a hack to go in there and go, love that person.
00:41:47.000 And if you can't get to love, you have to stop.
00:41:50.000 If you can't get to forgiveness, you have to stop.
00:41:52.000 The problem is that we're in such a heightened zoological environment these days where we live in such a heightened State of stimulation that we don't even know who we really are.
00:41:59.000 Actually, like Barbara was just saying, something like movement can put you back in your body because you don't even know how to be in your body properly.
00:42:04.000 You've experienced so much abuse and trauma and unusual and ugly circumstance, you don't even know how to simply be.
00:42:10.000 You know, you're left on your own for 25 seconds, you just start crying, or someone says something nice to you and you start crying.
00:42:15.000 It's because you have no contact with eternity.
00:42:19.000 But the contact with eternity is continually available.
00:42:23.000 What do you think, Jake?
00:42:24.000 That would be funny if you could go into my mind and I'll.
00:42:28.000 Doing what you do.
00:42:30.000 I know that really.
00:42:31.000 I know the thing that you're projecting reality.
00:42:33.000 I read Romans when I was four.
00:42:36.000 I think it's all the reminders the same like the book we read.
00:42:40.000 No Independent Self, Norman Grubb.
00:42:42.000 Yeah.
00:42:43.000 It gives you the two choices.
00:42:45.000 It simplifies it.
00:42:47.000 You're either going towards God or you're going towards Satan.
00:42:50.000 No Independent Self.
00:42:52.000 And I think for me, that has been a great reminder.
00:42:56.000 Jake, how are we going to help people to have a more nuanced, Understanding of what we mean when we say Satan, because this being the South and all, and you being like a guy from Louisiana in a baseball cap with that beard and literally with a full truck outside and probably a firearm tucked down the front of your underpants, how are people going to know that what we mean by Satan?
00:43:17.000 Evil, darkness, false light, you know, the counterfeit.
00:43:22.000 And I think that is the world right now.
00:43:25.000 It's trying to get you with glamour and flashy things, and it's all false light.
00:43:31.000 False light.
00:43:32.000 Cool.
00:43:32.000 That's a good lesson.
00:43:33.000 All right.
00:43:33.000 Thanks, Jake.
00:43:34.000 This is like Jake's good, isn't he?
00:43:36.000 Round of applause for Jake.
00:43:41.000 Now, let's change the atmosphere, but not too crazy.
00:43:45.000 Not too crazy.
00:43:46.000 Let's not change the atmosphere.
00:43:47.000 Let's keep the atmosphere like this.
00:43:48.000 It's for the quick ones.
00:43:50.000 This is a really good guest.
00:43:51.000 Check it out.
00:43:51.000 I'm going to explain the guest to you.
00:43:53.000 It's Christy Anastas.
00:43:54.000 I hope I'm saying her name right.
00:43:56.000 I'm sorry if I'm not.
00:43:56.000 I make a lot of mistakes.
00:43:57.000 I'm actually quite imperfect.
00:44:00.000 Christian, I've kept it from you brilliantly.
00:44:03.000 Christian Astus is a religious freedom advocate whose family roots trace back to Bethlehem, actual Bethlehem, given her first hand lens on the pressures facing Christian communities and other religious minority groups across the Middle East.
00:44:14.000 She holds a master's degree in international affairs and has led a public campaign raising awareness of these issues internationally.
00:44:21.000 Her work also explores the Hebrew and ancient context of scripture, connecting biblical texts to questions of identity, reconciliation, religious freedom, and how Christians understand the world today.
00:44:31.000 Raised in Bethlehem, I said, well, I mean, that's called a book that, if there's going to be a book, raised in Bethlehem, especially because it's all about bread and everything.
00:44:38.000 And then, like, raised, it's got that bread thing.
00:44:40.000 That's what I would do.
00:44:42.000 Raised in Bethlehem.
00:44:43.000 I'm already, I don't even know her yet, and I'm already assuming that I know more than her.
00:44:46.000 That's the way I conduct my whole life.
00:44:49.000 It kept me from reading the Bible for a long time because I thought I knew what was in it.
00:44:52.000 I didn't.
00:44:54.000 From the religious side of Rachel's tomb, Christy brings together several unusual worlds Middle Eastern Christian heritage.
00:45:00.000 Ooh.
00:45:01.000 Refugee advocacy.
00:45:03.000 Yeah, good, good.
00:45:04.000 We're meant to be doing that.
00:45:04.000 That's actually in the scripture.
00:45:06.000 International affairs, oh, biblical languages, a passion for reconciliation, her central message is rooted in the idea of a larger kingdom, one capable of transcending tribalism.
00:45:15.000 Yeah, we need that, don't we?
00:45:17.000 And shaping how people relate to one another.
00:45:19.000 Please welcome, or is there a little clip first?
00:45:21.000 Let's have a look at this clip and then we'll welcome Christy because we've got a whole structure for the show.
00:45:25.000 Let's have a look at the clip.
00:45:26.000 I met a Beautiful and intelligent young woman who had had to flee her home and life in Bethlehem simply for speaking up about her beliefs and questioning the status quo.
00:45:36.000 I was born during the first Intifada.
00:45:41.000 Sadly, we had to suffer from living in an area that had conflict the whole time.
00:45:47.000 I started sharing my beliefs and challenging the lack of religious freedom, freedom of speech, and women's rights within my community.
00:45:55.000 As a result, my life was put in danger and I was forced to leave my home.
00:46:02.000 Hey, please welcome Christy Anastas.
00:46:08.000 All right, Christy.
00:46:10.000 No, don't you do anything weird now, dog.
00:46:12.000 I stayed sitting down because there was a dog on my lap.
00:46:14.000 I also had a sort of foresight if I did stand up, I was going to misjudge whether you were going to do a handshake, a hug, or a kiss, and it was going to go wrong in some way.
00:46:21.000 Yeah.
00:46:22.000 So I just stayed sat with the dog.
00:46:24.000 That was right.
00:46:25.000 I know what I'm doing, man.
00:46:26.000 I've been doing this for ages.
00:46:27.000 I can tell.
00:46:28.000 I'm exhausted.
00:46:30.000 I know.
00:46:30.000 Christy, I really enjoyed reading that thing about like your.
00:46:35.000 Let's face it, crazy life.
00:46:38.000 Yeah, I mean, it leaves you traumatized basically.
00:46:41.000 Oh, no.
00:46:41.000 At the end of it.
00:46:42.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:46:43.000 Well, actually, that's not even what I was going to think about or focus on.
00:46:46.000 No.
00:46:46.000 So it seems you know things I don't know.
00:46:48.000 What a breakthrough.
00:46:49.000 Now, what do you mean, traumatized?
00:46:52.000 Well, as in going through all these, I mean, it made me sound very interesting.
00:46:57.000 I forgot I've done half of these things.
00:46:59.000 I mean, you probably made.
00:47:00.000 You sound brilliant.
00:47:00.000 Don't let us down, because this sounds really good.
00:47:03.000 I'm going to try not to make you cry.
00:47:06.000 I want to cry.
00:47:06.000 No, it's okay.
00:47:07.000 Okay.
00:47:08.000 Middle Eastern Christian heritage, I'm interested in that.
00:47:11.000 Refugee advocacy, interested.
00:47:13.000 International affairs, interested.
00:47:14.000 Biblical languages.
00:47:16.000 But what did you.
00:47:16.000 We started with trauma, and I suppose you must be talking about the actual geopolitical particular conditions, your timidness and feedback, baby.
00:47:23.000 Like, I suppose you must be referring to some sort of regionalized conflict where you grew up.
00:47:30.000 Can you tell me a bit about that?
00:47:31.000 Yes, correct.
00:47:32.000 So, as you've heard, I basically was like literally lived across the street from Rachel's tomb, one of Jacob's wives.
00:47:39.000 Oh, yeah.
00:47:39.000 The one he fell in love with.
00:47:41.000 The one he liked.
00:47:41.000 But then his father in law gave him the other one first.
00:47:46.000 Yeah, he didn't want that.
00:47:47.000 Seven years he put up with that crap.
00:47:48.000 Then he gets the one he wants.
00:47:50.000 Then finally, as a kid, he wants.
00:47:51.000 I remember that bit.
00:47:52.000 That's a good bit.
00:47:53.000 You're read, lived near that.
00:47:54.000 I mean, do you know what I find mad about reading the Bible and then thinking about where you're from?
00:47:58.000 All these things actually happened.
00:47:59.000 It's jarring.
00:48:01.000 Yes, correct.
00:48:02.000 So basically, well, at the beginning, I thought it was terrible that I was born in front of that place.
00:48:07.000 Why?
00:48:07.000 Well, because, you know, some people groups, both of them really fought over it.
00:48:13.000 Some people wanted it, and the other people wanted it, and they all believed that God told them to want it.
00:48:19.000 It's confusing, isn't it?
00:48:20.000 I think that's schizophrenic at some point.
00:48:22.000 It's a very.
00:48:23.000 Well, we'll break that down, but I refuse to accept that.
00:48:30.000 But the idea that all of us have, on some level, recourse to God to back up our position.
00:48:37.000 I mean, I do that when I'm arguing with my wife, to be honest, let alone over some territory that has deep religious connections to my whole identity.
00:48:45.000 So you kind of.
00:48:46.000 Rejected this place.
00:48:49.000 Oh, big time.
00:48:50.000 Yes, you know, we lived dodging bullets and rockets every day for four years.
00:48:54.000 My whole family.
00:48:55.000 Actually, the fact that I'm alive today is a miracle.
00:48:59.000 We had bullets every day.
00:49:01.000 Red rain, like red rain.
00:49:04.000 Well, the first few months, I would be like crawling, shaking, scared.
00:49:09.000 And then afterwards, you become a bit more numb, and then more numb.
00:49:12.000 And then it becomes your home theater.
00:49:14.000 Holy crap.
00:49:14.000 And you start watching.
00:49:15.000 So you're specifically growing up.
00:49:17.000 Where the is, I'm assuming, Israeli settlers and people that lived there prior to the 48 settlement and 67 wars lived.
00:49:26.000 Is that where Bethlehem is?
00:49:27.000 I'm not very good at translation.
00:49:27.000 Well, no, it's so Bethlehem is south of Jerusalem, right at the borders.
00:49:32.000 Rachel's tomb is right at the borders in the middle between those.
00:49:36.000 And, um, the well, actually, later in life, I realized that this is more the traditional side of her burial.
00:49:47.000 It could be not like this dispute that it could be not the real site.
00:49:51.000 You know, that hurt a bit, right?
00:49:53.000 Because it undermined your story.
00:49:54.000 No, it's more like it's kind of you suffer.
00:49:56.000 Yeah, well, that's what happens when my mom says my childhood's not as bad as I think it was.
00:50:00.000 I'm like.
00:50:01.000 Shut up!
00:50:03.000 It was terrible, but there was no bullets flying about, I'll tell you that.
00:50:06.000 So you win that round.
00:50:08.000 Or several rounds, it sounds like.
00:50:10.000 Relentless rounds tumbling, like, I think you said, a red rain of new locusts, like a new plague.
00:50:16.000 So there you were.
00:50:17.000 You're growing up in Bethlehem.
00:50:19.000 You're Christian.
00:50:20.000 You're neither Muslim nor Jew.
00:50:21.000 So you're in an extraordinary theological and spiritual position.
00:50:26.000 What is it that you're bringing to this very complex and seemingly irresoluble conflict in that region?
00:50:32.000 What does your work and presence bring to this that people need to hear, dear Christy?
00:50:38.000 That's a very good question.
00:50:40.000 Yes.
00:50:44.000 So, and I, the way I'm going to answer it is going to feel like I'm going to walk on eggshells.
00:50:53.000 My family's still back home, so there's always repercussions.
00:50:56.000 And that's the way we kind of do life, sadly.
00:51:00.000 But make the most out of it, I'd say.
00:51:06.000 I think we need to prioritize which kingdom we're trying to build.
00:51:10.000 And as Christians, or people who really know Jesus Christ and have an alive relationship with him, they'd know that he's very dynamic.
00:51:21.000 We would like to believe in the scriptures, and they're beautiful.
00:51:25.000 I study them like crazy.
00:51:26.000 I actually fall in love with his brain every time I read and understand and learn about him and how he just weaves himself in a very sneaky way through.
00:51:35.000 Throughout, but the the the the lot of us just want solid foundations, and we look and and we anchor those solid foundations in scriptures, which is beautiful, but we forget that the whole point of scriptures is to let us point us towards anchoring ourselves in an alive relationship with Him.
00:51:54.000 And what I mean by that is, like, you know, if you put yourself in the shoes of Hosea, who God said, you know, you know, he was a very upright man, he tells him today, Oh, yeah, go marry a prostitute.
00:52:09.000 So that's more of a dynamic.
00:52:11.000 I never got those instructions.
00:52:14.000 He would have barely finished the word.
00:52:16.000 Right, no, come back.
00:52:16.000 Not all of them.
00:52:17.000 No.
00:52:18.000 Oh, let me.
00:52:19.000 There's more nuance.
00:52:22.000 What did you.
00:52:22.000 Sorry, I've already done it.
00:52:26.000 But what was he trying to show Hazziah through this redeeming instruction of sanctifying the fallen woman?
00:52:34.000 Well, that basically he was trying to say.
00:52:38.000 Humble Israel in a way at the time and say that, you know, it's again, it's an alive relationship.
00:52:46.000 You can follow the rules until the cows come home, but if you don't have a connection with me, you're doomed.
00:52:51.000 It's alive, it's happening now.
00:52:53.000 We are participants in it.
00:52:54.000 That's a bit like what me and Jake were chatting about just a second before.
00:52:57.000 I don't know if you were listening, perhaps you were completely absorbed in yourself and all know I'm from a war zone.
00:53:01.000 Well, what about me and my feelings?
00:53:04.000 Like we were talking about that, you know, that sort of in the present moment, we are, he is here now, we are dealing with him now, we are interacting.
00:53:10.000 With him now that we are in his grace right now.
00:53:14.000 So, do you sense then, beloved Christy, that what do maybe she wants some water?
00:53:19.000 Do you want some water?
00:53:20.000 You want a glass of water?
00:53:21.000 Oh, that's in my face, is it?
00:53:23.000 That's annoying.
00:53:24.000 That bottle, too, if you can move that bottle.
00:53:25.000 I can do that.
00:53:26.000 I'm so sorry, Jake.
00:53:26.000 You can just tell me if you want.
00:53:28.000 Like, you go, Russell, you're doing very well, but your entire face is obscured, which many would think of as a blessing.
00:53:35.000 But for the purposes of subsequent edits, and there's a dog on your lap that doesn't make sense visually.
00:53:40.000 Do you want some?
00:53:41.000 Do you hear, look, our friend Sarah's bringing you some water, Christy.
00:53:47.000 There was a bit there where you were talking about falling in love with the mind of God through his scriptures continually.
00:53:52.000 Can you please give me an example of that now?
00:53:57.000 Like when it most recently happened to you, and otherwise, if you can't, I'll do it.
00:54:03.000 Well, okay, so here's one thing I was just unpacking the word Adam in Paleo Hebrew pictographic form, which is ancient pictures that they used to use to communicate.
00:54:18.000 And a lot of the first.
00:54:19.000 What a new type of scripture, like not even words, anything that precedes Hebrew.
00:54:23.000 Yeah, it's.
00:54:24.000 Bloody hell, mate.
00:54:25.000 I'm not qualified for this chat.
00:54:27.000 It's actually much more fun than reading it in. Letters and words because it kind of is more you're reading drawings, yes, basically.
00:54:35.000 That's pretty cool.
00:54:36.000 Yeah, there's an eye and a door, and the you know, and so the word Adam literally means the one of the meanings of it.
00:54:46.000 It's quite like the way the Hebraic mindset is more dynamic.
00:54:50.000 Think of it as cyclical and it keeps ascending.
00:54:54.000 That's a spiral, it depends on where it's going.
00:54:58.000 No, both directions is a spiral.
00:55:01.000 It's ascension and dissension.
00:55:03.000 You'll see it from a higher perspective or with a deeper understanding.
00:55:07.000 A circle in multi dimensions is a spiral.
00:55:10.000 I think.
00:55:10.000 Not to correct you, you're obviously better educated than me in a bunch of ways, and your childhood's better than mine.
00:55:14.000 I'm thinking of stealing some of your stories.
00:55:16.000 But the truth is that that is the nature of a spiral.
00:55:19.000 Now, tell me some more about Adam.
00:55:21.000 So, Adam, it's literally the first.
00:55:24.000 This is the name that God has given to the first creation, well, human being he's created.
00:55:31.000 And one of the pictographic meanings of it is.
00:55:35.000 The leader's entryway into chaos.
00:55:40.000 So, you think when you read it that he's already given us the blueprint of his intentions from the beginning?
00:55:50.000 Do you suppose, on that basis, then, that there is an inevitability to the fall?
00:55:56.000 That if the function of Adam is to be God's creation into chaos, and his name is that, that the fall is preempted and almost required?
00:56:07.000 I wouldn't say required, but it's definitely preempted.
00:56:10.000 He knew that this would happen big time.
00:56:13.000 See, in that book of Enoch, which I've obsessed with now, and Nikki told me that I could ask you about it, that it focuses, the book of Enoch does, the early part at least, because the book of Enoch, you know, is a bunch of books really, but I'm not telling Christy that.
00:56:28.000 Christy speaks drawings.
00:56:32.000 When we meet people that speak drawings, I sit back and listen.
00:56:36.000 But in the book of Enoch, there's a few things that are really blowing my mind at the moment.
00:56:39.000 Here are they.
00:56:40.000 One, he's in Genesis 6, right?
00:56:44.000 So it's not non canonical in essence.
00:56:47.000 It's an elaboration.
00:56:51.000 That fucking dog, man.
00:56:52.000 I'll tell you what, I've been on such a journey with that dog.
00:56:54.000 The reason I'm like, it's not you this time.
00:56:57.000 The reason I'm like that dog, I've got a secret suspicion that when I reach the gates of eternity, St. Peter will say to me, How do you think you did?
00:57:05.000 And I go, Well, I did my best, Lord.
00:57:06.000 I overcame addiction in a variety of forms.
00:57:08.000 I tried to speak the truth in a number of ways.
00:57:11.000 I was a good father to my daughters and to my son.
00:57:14.000 And I thank you, Lord.
00:57:15.000 And St. Peter might say, How did you get on with Coco?
00:57:19.000 Right?
00:57:20.000 And I might go, Oh, that little wank.
00:57:21.000 Like, you know, like, and he goes, That was the test.
00:57:24.000 I sometimes think that God has given me Coco as the test of patience, injury.
00:57:29.000 Also, because my other dog, Bear, died, and Bear was much more how I would like to see my totem.
00:57:35.000 If I was writing into eternity a new hieroglyph, I would write German Shepherd.
00:57:40.000 I would not write Daxund.
00:57:42.000 I would write German Shepherd.
00:57:44.000 But this is how I see me when in the language of my living life, in the living water of my life, I see me as Bear.
00:57:51.000 I don't see me as Coco.
00:57:53.000 Reveal about me vanity, insecurity, all sorts of things.
00:57:57.000 So, I'm trying to overcome those things, anyway.
00:57:59.000 So, in that book of Enoch, when they have that meeting on the top of Mount Harmon, and I think maybe that's where the word the English word harmony comes from, I'm guessing.
00:58:06.000 And they come up and they collude those guys, the fallen angels, to stay in a terrible pact to corrupt the daughters of man and to give them all sorts of extraordinary technology, including something that appears to relate to semiconductors, oddly, with an odd perspicacity for how the contemporary world's going to play out, as well as weaponry.
00:58:26.000 And like another piece of scripture that it.
00:58:28.000 Like, leaps in my mind when I read those things about the is he called Isaiah?
00:58:31.000 The bad, as there's one that's names begin with Az, Az of the fallen, yeah, thanks, mate.
00:58:38.000 Azariah, that Azariah, he's the one that gives them like weaponry and mining and all that stuff.
00:58:44.000 And it makes me think of Isaiah when it says, Who do you think made the blacksmith?
00:58:49.000 Who do you think made the furnace?
00:58:50.000 Who founds the flame?
00:58:51.000 No weapon forged against you will prosper.
00:58:54.000 I made your enemies, they come from me.
00:58:57.000 This is my long winded way of saying, Do you consider the spiritual rebellion precedes?
00:59:02.000 The fall of our kind, that whatever happened in the celestial, I can't think of the right word, ethereal, non material realm is a necessary precursor to the creation and fall of our kind.
00:59:15.000 Do you see Elohim as having a potential interrelatedness with a variety of deities?
00:59:22.000 And tell me everything.
00:59:24.000 Wow, how much time do I have?
00:59:27.000 Actually, only three minutes.
00:59:31.000 Someone just indicated that, my friend Sarah.
00:59:34.000 So, don't mess around like, oh, I saw a drawing.
00:59:37.000 Adam means this.
00:59:39.000 Get to the point.
00:59:40.000 We're not in Bethlehem now.
00:59:42.000 Get to the point.
00:59:43.000 This is Florida.
00:59:44.000 Actually, you take your time.
00:59:46.000 Well, thank you.
00:59:47.000 Wow, okay.
00:59:49.000 Thanks.
00:59:50.000 So, basically, the book of Watches, the book of Enoch, let's talk about this.
00:59:55.000 So, in some Hebraic related belief systems, there are three categories of angels.
01:00:03.000 You call the cherubim, cherub, seraphim, and teraphim.
01:00:08.000 Yeah, so these are the three ones.
01:00:12.000 They go from cherubim, cherub seven, well, they are archangels, and we know seven of their names.
01:00:18.000 They're mentioned in the book of Enoch, they mentioned the book of Tobit.
01:00:23.000 We don't know if that's the only number we have.
01:00:26.000 And then you move into the indicator that one third of Abba's kingdom, God's kingdom, had fallen.
01:00:33.000 So, the first words in the book of Genesis tell you what is this realm, what was this realm about.
01:00:41.000 And it's in the word water.
01:00:44.000 And water in Hebrew is literally chaos.
01:00:47.000 And what's the opposite of God's kingdom?
01:00:51.000 Satan's fallen realm.
01:00:53.000 It's chaos.
01:00:54.000 It's chaos, nothingness.
01:00:55.000 It's no order.
01:00:58.000 The creation of order.
01:00:59.000 Okay, yes, that's good.
01:01:00.000 Thank you.
01:01:00.000 So, that's where, so when one third of Abba's kingdom had fallen, it created chaos.
01:01:08.000 So, Abba's basically intentions were to reclaim that.
01:01:11.000 And that's it's very clear in the book of Genesis when he told Adam and Eve to do that go populate and reclaim, reclaim it.
01:01:19.000 This is why I've created you, go reclaim it.
01:01:20.000 Yeah, most people say he loves us, that's why he created us.
01:01:23.000 Well, yes, but that's not the very thing.
01:01:26.000 There's more than that.
01:01:27.000 I mean, it's a sweet idea, but there's more.
01:01:30.000 Sorry to interrupt you with a political concept, but that sounds like a settler colony in Eden.
01:01:35.000 So one might sense a kind of a political undergirding right from Genesis, from the Genesis settler colony.
01:01:44.000 Okay, that's very, very interesting.
01:01:47.000 Then I wonder how these fallen agents of the celestial realm continue.
01:01:54.000 And now I'm thinking about the book of Jude.
01:01:55.000 Continue to impact us with their interlocution.
01:01:59.000 Yes, so basically, we said one third, so however many archangels had fallen, one or two, we have the name Lucifer, but that's given to him.
01:02:12.000 Because the worst thing that can happen to you in God's kingdom is for your name to be removed.
01:02:16.000 He doesn't have any violence.
01:02:17.000 Because your name is descriptive of your functionality.
01:02:21.000 Even his name, Yahweh, is Yod Vav He Vav, which means.
01:02:27.000 The works that reveal the covenant that's revealed.
01:02:30.000 Do that again, sorry?
01:02:31.000 It means the works that reveal the covenant that's revealed or that's beheld.
01:02:38.000 So that's how you know who he is, is through his works.
01:02:41.000 Most of us, when we say, What's the meaning of the word Yahweh? you say, I am who I am.
01:02:46.000 It's more like a.
01:02:47.000 But in reality, and pictographically, the way he was trying to show himself is literally telling people who could relate to him.
01:02:58.000 It's my works which show you who I am and the covenant or the relational covenant I want with you.
01:03:02.000 In contemporary English, what my work is, I am who I am ing.
01:03:07.000 Yes.
01:03:07.000 I am who I am ing.
01:03:09.000 That's a genius way of putting it.
01:03:10.000 That's what you get here.
01:03:12.000 All yours, Lord.
01:03:12.000 Sorry.
01:03:13.000 So natural for me.
01:03:18.000 So one third of them had fallen.
01:03:21.000 So you have cherubim, we said, seraphim, and teraphim.
01:03:25.000 We don't know much about that last one.
01:03:27.000 So the teraphim are the guardian angels.
01:03:29.000 They are assigned, we all have teraphim, they are the lowest ranking, and they can turn and become human beings.
01:03:35.000 They're the only ranking of angels that can become human beings.
01:03:38.000 That's cool.
01:03:39.000 So that's what happened with the fallen group of angels.
01:03:42.000 What about them seraphim?
01:03:43.000 Is Lucifer one of them, do you think?
01:03:47.000 No.
01:03:47.000 What about that serpentine movement?
01:03:49.000 What about their fiery snakes around Isaiah 6, around the throne?
01:03:53.000 That's more of like the fiery, those are more, the seraphim, yeah, they say that's them, that's the description of them.
01:04:01.000 We don't know much about them.
01:04:03.000 Apart from the fact that they're like lightning, they're like snakes.
01:04:07.000 Charge, energy charge.
01:04:08.000 Charge, lightning.
01:04:09.000 Horizontal axis.
01:04:11.000 Snake is horizontal axis, no vertical axis.
01:04:13.000 Yes.
01:04:15.000 But the cherubim are the ones who would be the fallen archangels, and that's where basically Lucifer, which is not his name because you're.
01:04:23.000 What do you reckon his name is?
01:04:25.000 Well, his name was removed.
01:04:27.000 Oh, he's the nameless one.
01:04:28.000 That makes me feel creepy.
01:04:29.000 That's true.
01:04:30.000 I felt it.
01:04:32.000 The word Satan, you know that.
01:04:33.000 It's Hasatan, it means adversary.
01:04:35.000 It's just a script.
01:04:36.000 Of his role, so it's not really about functionality.
01:04:38.000 By his works, we can know him too.
01:04:40.000 By what he I ams, yes, exactly.
01:04:43.000 And like we are, oh, now I've got finished.
01:04:46.000 Hey, come on the next show because I'm not, I might have some more questions.
01:04:49.000 I would love to.
01:04:50.000 I don't think I've understood the full nature of reality yet.
01:04:54.000 But by the end of the next show, we will certainly do it.
01:04:56.000 Okay, we've got to end now because of uh, I don't agree with time, I don't agree with a lot of things, but uh, we're still in chronos, we're still in chronos, we're not in.
01:05:08.000 The other one, which we, what's the other one?
01:05:11.000 Kairos.
01:05:12.000 Oh, Kairos.
01:05:13.000 Kairos.
01:05:14.000 When we're nearly in Kairos, when we get into that, then man, because that's it.
01:05:18.000 He's in the Kairos time, huh?
01:05:20.000 My time is not yet come.
01:05:20.000 My time is not yet come.
01:05:22.000 My time is come.
01:05:23.000 Kairos.
01:05:23.000 Meaning, I now, I'm going to start I aming.
01:05:26.000 I'm going to do some I aming on the cross.
01:05:28.000 I'm going to generate new frequencies and new fields of reality that are accessible unless you fall into the inward spiral of self.
01:05:35.000 If you fall into that, you're all double fucked.
01:05:37.000 Excuse my French.
01:05:39.000 All right.
01:05:40.000 And I did do that for a while, but I think I'm out now.
01:05:42.000 All right.
01:05:43.000 So that's the end of the show.
01:05:45.000 Thanks.
01:05:46.000 Hold on.
01:05:46.000 Are we promoting something?
01:05:47.000 Do you have a book or something?
01:05:49.000 No, not.
01:05:49.000 We'll write one.
01:05:50.000 Oh, thank you.
01:05:51.000 Okay.
01:05:51.000 Do you want to?
01:05:52.000 Yes, I do.
01:05:53.000 I help.
01:05:54.000 Oh, yes.
01:05:54.000 Okay, great.
01:05:55.000 I know someone will publish it and everything.
01:05:57.000 Comedy, fictitious.
01:05:58.000 I'll help, yeah, for sure, there's got to be jokes.
01:06:00.000 No one wants to listen to that drawing of Adam thing again without a few gags.
01:06:04.000 That was a joke.
01:06:05.000 I liked it.
01:06:06.000 I liked it.
01:06:07.000 It was funny.
01:06:07.000 I'm amused.
01:06:09.000 All right, that's the end of this now, and we'll do another one.
01:06:13.000 Bye.