Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 02, 2026


Lindsay Clancy Case: What Nobody is Telling You! - SF753


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00:01:48.000 Hey, you're watching Russell Brand live on Rumble.
00:01:51.000 And if you're not watching me on Rumble, come on over to Rumble.
00:01:53.000 Oh man, why did I bring my dog to work today?
00:01:55.000 That dog is crazy.
00:01:56.000 Today we're going to be talking about the Lindsay Clancy trial, I guess, because you've got to, haven't you?
00:02:01.000 Clombocade.
00:02:03.000 Excuse me, eating.
00:02:05.000 I was in such a rush.
00:02:07.000 I just simply had to eat.
00:02:08.000 I had to have some dried mango.
00:02:11.000 And we're talking to Dean Anderson.
00:02:13.000 Me and Dean Anderson is my friend.
00:02:14.000 We're going to be talking about how you can use your recovery to aid and assist the lives of other people that wouldn't otherwise have been assisted and aided.
00:02:21.000 He did an American Odyssey.
00:02:22.000 Kind of a bit like the new Christopher Nolan film.
00:02:26.000 Potentially won't make as much money at the box office or have the kind of controversy around, you know, casting different people that don't conform to people's ideas of gods.
00:02:35.000 But who knows what gods are like or heroes in a weird way.
00:02:38.000 Much over my dog.
00:02:39.000 Let's say that I'm not lying.
00:02:41.000 It's not even really my dog, it's my daughter's dog.
00:02:47.000 It's not like I can just steal it, Sean.
00:02:49.000 Oh.
00:02:50.000 And the other guest on the show is Sean Murphy.
00:02:52.000 I mean, One of my favourite songs from Sound of Music is How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria?
00:02:56.000 Well, how do you interview a guest like Sean Murphy?
00:02:59.000 You'll find out in a minute on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:03:10.000 Wake me up in just, wake me up in my, wake me up.
00:03:27.000 Hey, welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:03:30.000 We are filming this live.
00:03:32.000 My man will tell you if you're a journalist, you'll have to simply find out for yourself by getting here using your own crazy means, you lunatics.
00:03:40.000 We've got a brilliant show today.
00:03:42.000 I mean, I say that.
00:03:44.000 There's no way of knowing it.
00:03:44.000 It might be terrible.
00:03:45.000 But the intention is to make a brilliant show.
00:03:48.000 That's the actual intention, what we started with.
00:03:50.000 Thanks, Sarah, for the coffee.
00:03:52.000 We've got a lot of things to tell you about that are pretty interesting.
00:03:54.000 Like me, you're in the miasma of a culture.
00:03:56.000 You're in a maelstrom.
00:03:56.000 It doesn't make sense to you.
00:03:57.000 Nothing makes sense to you.
00:03:58.000 It's not supposed to make sense to you anymore.
00:04:00.000 I'm with the guest I had on the show just now.
00:04:02.000 Oh, sorry about that.
00:04:05.000 The person I had on the show will have on the show next Friday in the future.
00:04:10.000 You may look at me like that, sir, but it happens to have been a pre taped show that was recorded before this one, but will chronologically play out after this one.
00:04:19.000 So don't look at me like I'm crazy because I'm operating on levels, man.
00:04:24.000 It's devils for levels, man.
00:04:26.000 It's devils for levels.
00:04:28.000 And when I spoke to Christy, and you'll see her on Friday, and you'll see her again today because I'm going to bring her on again if it's God's will.
00:04:34.000 Christian Astes, come from Bethlehem, talks about original scriptural language in, it seems like a kind of a syntax that precedes even ancient Hebrew, which means you're getting pretty close to the mind of God anyway.
00:04:47.000 I mean, you're getting to a pictorial image.
00:04:50.000 What did they mean, those red hands on that cave wall?
00:04:53.000 What does it mean when they etched the buffalo and the elk?
00:04:57.000 No noise in that bar area, please.
00:04:59.000 No distracting noise.
00:05:00.000 I'm so attuned to it.
00:05:02.000 It's an illness, really, but we have found ways of monetizing it.
00:05:09.000 Before we get into the content, and we've got loads to talk about, Lindsey Clancy, the EU, that's a bureaucratic entity that seems to have, in some peculiar way, replaced the Soviet Union, certainly in terms of trying to centralize a state at a previously inconceivable level and overreach their control into every area of your life.
00:05:27.000 You know, in case you don't get a chance to tell you this before the great day, let me tell you now the goal is this total control, biopolitics, control over your thoughts, control over your body, control over your actions, control over your beliefs.
00:05:39.000 That is the intention.
00:05:40.000 That's what they will.
00:05:41.000 Do in the end, there will be no corner or quarter of human life, which is to say the flow of the divine, because that's what you are made for.
00:05:49.000 That's what you are made for that won't be prescribed and controlled.
00:05:52.000 The things you'll first notice will be that they'll start mandating medications and they'll start mandating movement and motion.
00:05:58.000 Of course, they've already done that to a degree.
00:06:00.000 We all accept passports and visas as necessary clerical entities.
00:06:04.000 And for a while during COVID, we started to recognize the necessity for medical intervention.
00:06:09.000 But what's the real lesson of COVID?
00:06:11.000 Was it always trust the government?
00:06:14.000 Was it always trust Big Pharma?
00:06:16.000 Was it always trust the media?
00:06:18.000 Or did you learn something else from that peculiar era?
00:06:22.000 We've got some interesting things to talk to you about.
00:06:25.000 Firstly, in my country, Keir Starmer is no longer the Prime Minister.
00:06:30.000 Asset 13 for you, Jake, that.
00:06:32.000 He's left.
00:06:33.000 Now, he was Prime Minister in my country.
00:06:34.000 I know you don't care about my country.
00:06:36.000 Do you think, oh, it's the olden days?
00:06:38.000 You've got bridges and castles.
00:06:41.000 Well, actually, we invented everything.
00:06:43.000 We came up with all the main ideas, including this language.
00:06:47.000 Yes, that was us, the British.
00:06:49.000 So we do matter and we are relevant.
00:06:52.000 And as far as I know, the City of London may be its own jurisdiction.
00:06:55.000 I'm not talking about the entire jurisdiction of Greater London, I'm talking about specifically the City of London.
00:07:00.000 It may be its own legal entity and jurisdiction because that's where financial trading takes place.
00:07:05.000 And it might be that the true institutions and nations or institutions of power are transcendent of our limited understanding of nation.
00:07:14.000 You might think you're an American, you might think you're British.
00:07:17.000 You might think you're French.
00:07:19.000 You might wave your flags the same way as we in the UK banged pots and pans for the NHS during COVID to show our support.
00:07:27.000 That's what they had us do.
00:07:28.000 They made us stand on our doorsteps and bang pots and pans to support the NHS during a pandemic where they were lying to us about its origin, lying about the efficacy of the solution, lying about relationships between particular and specific members of the government and particular and specific pharmaceutical companies.
00:07:44.000 Just so I'm not being mysterious, I'll say Rishi Sunak, who was the Chancellor and then Prime Minister, and Moderna, who are one of the wealthier pharmaceutical companies now, in particular because of.
00:07:53.000 Deals made during the pandemic era and the new deals they're making now for bespoke cancer vaccines.
00:08:00.000 And guess what?
00:08:00.000 Did you know that since COVID, there's this new type of cancer called turbo cancers, and cancers are in a general way on the rise?
00:08:06.000 You can check those statistics for yourself.
00:08:09.000 But the general message don't trust big pharma, don't trust the media, don't trust the government is a pretty key and important one.
00:08:15.000 You all know that already though, don't you?
00:08:18.000 They don't know.
00:08:19.000 Say yes, it's a visual and audiovisual medium.
00:08:23.000 Otherwise, the audience will be like, I can see someone going, Come here, mum.
00:08:27.000 He thinks he's talking to people in the room with him.
00:08:30.000 Show them, show them, Mertz.
00:08:32.000 Show their faces.
00:08:34.000 Particularly the man with the tattoo on his face.
00:08:36.000 Then show Sean Murphy again.
00:08:37.000 Then this lady in the front row, Mertz.
00:08:39.000 Then get her shoes.
00:08:40.000 Get the red shoes, Mertz.
00:08:42.000 Because when people wear red shoes, they're indicating something to you, Lord.
00:08:47.000 Like, hey, you know, hey, have you read The Wizard of Oz?
00:08:49.000 And you'll know then that in the original it's silver and that they changed it to red ruby slippers.
00:08:53.000 Why?
00:08:54.000 Because of the Technicolor.
00:08:56.000 And we won't get into the stories of how the dwarves behaved on that set.
00:08:59.000 Out of respect for Judy Garland, may God rest her eternal soul.
00:09:05.000 And the dwarfs as well.
00:09:06.000 They've got souls as well.
00:09:07.000 Everyone's got souls.
00:09:08.000 Not saying dwarfs don't have souls.
00:09:10.000 Man, I've got enough legal issues.
00:09:11.000 Okay, so let's have a look at this.
00:09:14.000 You might be interested in this.
00:09:15.000 This is like the president of the EU.
00:09:17.000 Her name is Ursula von der Leyen, which, without wishing to be superficial, that is an evil name.
00:09:25.000 If someone goes, Ursula von der Leyen is coming around, don't you feel already a chill?
00:09:34.000 Like, fucking hell, is it gonna be all right?
00:09:37.000 The answer is no, it's not gonna be all right because Ursula von der Leyen is the head of the EU, did all sorts of weird, shady, oh no, we lost the files type deals with Albert Baller of Pfizer during the pandemic era.
00:09:52.000 She, like everyone in those positions, wants to use the bureaucracy of care to restrict your individual freedom.
00:09:58.000 The days of Adolf Hitler, he said, God rest his soul, Hitler, but yeah, God rest his soul, he's a person, like, yeah, God rest his soul, he's a person, he's not outside the category of.
00:10:09.000 People, is he?
00:10:09.000 He's a person, right?
00:10:11.000 Hitler, at least he had the.
00:10:13.000 What do I want to call it?
00:10:14.000 Balls to sort of come out and like, ah!
00:10:17.000 Like he's crazy, right?
00:10:19.000 But now, Ursula von der Leyen and all the people that are taking control of us now, they act all kind.
00:10:24.000 They've got nice haircuts.
00:10:25.000 We're just here to help.
00:10:26.000 We're just going to help you.
00:10:27.000 Just take the shot.
00:10:28.000 Just sit down.
00:10:29.000 Just give us your money.
00:10:30.000 It's okay.
00:10:31.000 Just stay in your house.
00:10:32.000 Yeah, universal basic income.
00:10:33.000 Just carry this ID.
00:10:34.000 We're just going to put a chip under your skin.
00:10:36.000 It's all going to be fine.
00:10:37.000 Hitler, he would have told you up front.
00:10:40.000 I don't even know what he'd have said.
00:10:41.000 It would have been a shout.
00:10:43.000 You can then make a decision face to face.
00:10:47.000 I'm not sure I trust this Hitler motherfucker one bit.
00:10:49.000 Keep shouting, that mustache is weird.
00:10:51.000 Ursula von der Leyen, all you've got, the only clues is that Ursula, baddie in Little Mermaid.
00:10:58.000 Hmm.
00:11:01.000 Hmm.
00:11:02.000 Vaughn, never good, other than Theo Vaughn.
00:11:05.000 Love Theo Vaughn, who doesn't?
00:11:06.000 But Vaughn, when it all Vaughn trapped, no, the Vaughn trap fan, actually, you know, Vaughn might be okay.
00:11:12.000 Oh, you've got a Vaughn, have you?
00:11:13.000 I'm my mate Susan.
00:11:14.000 You're a Vaughn.
00:11:15.000 Yeah, but you are.
00:11:17.000 Let's not put too fine a point in it.
00:11:19.000 A fucking maniac.
00:11:22.000 She's going to deny that.
00:11:24.000 I know where the files are.
00:11:26.000 Ursula von der Leyen, head of the EU.
00:11:28.000 Here she is.
00:11:29.000 Don't be confused by the fact she's talking French.
00:11:32.000 I know you're American.
00:11:33.000 Oh, French.
00:11:34.000 Oh, how sophisticated.
00:11:36.000 Croissant, glass of red wine.
00:11:39.000 Lafayette helped us in that war against that imperial nation that were trying their best to help us.
00:11:47.000 God bless you, King George III.
00:11:49.000 Let's have a look at Ursula von der Leyen.
00:12:02.000 What she's actually saying is that if you live in Europe, and thankfully the British people don't anymore because we left Europe, if you live in Europe, you know, the economic and trading entity that calls itself Europe, the bureaucratic entity, they've got the right to tax your savings and they actually want access to your savings because they're sort of saying stuff like your savings aren't doing anything.
00:12:22.000 What do you mean by that?
00:12:23.000 What do you want someone's savings to do?
00:12:25.000 Like push ups, pirouettes, acrobatics, synchronized swimming?
00:12:29.000 What you want is total control over every aspect of everyone's lives, even including money they've saved and put aside for the proverbial rainy day.
00:12:37.000 Remember, we've talked about this before and we'll talk about it again.
00:12:39.000 By their fruits shall you know them, by their actions shall you know them.
00:12:43.000 If their actions are to take more and more control, that's what it's for.
00:12:48.000 That's what it's for.
00:12:50.000 If the results of the Patriot Act are.
00:12:52.000 Oh, now we can spy on American citizens more freely and control their information and legitimize spying on them in all sorts of ways that would have been implausible before 9 11.
00:13:01.000 Then that was the reason.
00:13:03.000 Then that was the reason.
00:13:04.000 If, as a result of COVID, people become more tolerant of being controlled and the idea of just taking medication in a mandated way becomes normalized, that's what it's for.
00:13:14.000 Look at it backwards.
00:13:15.000 Look at it backwards.
00:13:16.000 That's the way to do it.
00:13:18.000 But in order to do that, you have to be free of your own terror, dread, emotion, and desire.
00:13:21.000 That's not easy.
00:13:22.000 Because terror, dread, and all forms of emotion and desire are very, very captivating.
00:13:27.000 I mean, imagine if you're a little bit hungry, nothing else matters.
00:13:30.000 Imagine if you're a little bit horny, and I'll be talking to you about this, Sean Murphy.
00:13:34.000 Because I can tell you're a man who lives and is our guest later.
00:13:38.000 He's a recovered addict, he's a rock and roll photographer, he's been around the game, but he is also, this is just my opinion, a pervert.
00:13:49.000 And what you've got to be careful of, what you've got to be careful of with these perverts.
00:13:55.000 Is there ready to go?
00:13:56.000 They could fire off any minute, these pervs.
00:13:59.000 You've got to watch them.
00:14:00.000 All right, so let's have a look now on an unrelated subject, because I don't think she is a pervert, Ursula von der Leyen.
00:14:06.000 I think she's potentially a sadist and, what I say, an agent of Lucifer, ensuring that the earth is shrouded and shellacked in the evil of the realm of darkness.
00:14:18.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:14:19.000 Not a pervert.
00:14:21.000 A pervert would make her a bit more interesting.
00:14:24.000 L'épargne européenne est investie hors de notre continent.
00:14:36.000 You get the idea?
00:14:38.000 They want all our money, they want all our power.
00:14:40.000 Meanwhile, over in Germany, look at Alice Wiedel, leader of the AFD, kind of a nationalist party.
00:14:46.000 The Germans, I've got to say, I love the Germans, man.
00:14:49.000 They will not let go of nationalism.
00:14:52.000 Like, they've been through it so many times.
00:14:53.000 First World War, it's like, you fuckers, can't do no more nationalism.
00:14:57.000 Okay, we won't.
00:14:59.000 20 years later, Hitler, actual Hitler!
00:15:02.000 But that's what was coming down the barrel when they're saying we're never doing that again.
00:15:05.000 Right now, look at this Alice Weedle.
00:15:08.000 She's dope though.
00:15:09.000 Like when you see her go, it's like.
00:15:11.000 I don't mean to this in a disparaging way.
00:15:13.000 It's Lady Hitler.
00:15:14.000 Check her out.
00:15:15.000 The thing is, though, with Germans, even if they're saying things that are perfectly reasonable, like, you know, if you're going to have a country, you have to have borders.
00:15:37.000 If you're going to have borders, you have to regulate and control them.
00:15:40.000 And the people that occupy or populate a country should be to some degree consulted about what they consider to be the policy when it comes to migration.
00:15:48.000 Perfectly reasonable.
00:15:49.000 But when you say that in German, everything sounds like, oh my God, he's back, isn't it?
00:15:56.000 Like, look who's back, back again, Hitler's back, tell your friends.
00:16:02.000 And here he is, though, the man himself, the OG, the ON, the original Nazi, doing a speech.
00:16:09.000 Let's just refresh our memories of what he was like.
00:16:11.000 What have we heute for?
00:16:13.000 What What for? What? What for? What? What? What for? What?
00:16:23.000 My arbeit feels richtig else.
00:16:26.000 It sounds more or less like.
00:16:27.000 It's actually, did you hear what he's saying?
00:16:28.000 He's saying we're building nice streets, we're trying our hardest.
00:16:31.000 Sounds perfectly reasonable.
00:16:33.000 Like, you could get, you see how he could get swept up in it.
00:16:37.000 But let's not forget the execution of gypsies, Jews, homosexuals, Catholics.
00:16:44.000 I mean, it got out of hand.
00:16:47.000 Whatever his original intentions were, with hindsight, I think it's safe to say.
00:16:54.000 It got a bit out of hand.
00:16:56.000 That's my analysis of Adolf Hitler.
00:17:00.000 It got a bit out of hand.
00:17:02.000 That's being blithe.
00:17:04.000 You know, because what are you going to do?
00:17:05.000 Spend your whole time in the robes of misery, sort of stooped in it.
00:17:09.000 Bad things happened to me when I was a kid.
00:17:11.000 Bad things happened in history.
00:17:13.000 I'm going to have an identity based in misery.
00:17:15.000 Okay, cool.
00:17:16.000 That's interesting.
00:17:17.000 Or you could alternatively become interesting now.
00:17:20.000 No, too difficult, too difficult.
00:17:22.000 These awful things happened to me when I was a kid.
00:17:24.000 Well, some pretty awful things happened to me when I was a kid.
00:17:27.000 But it's just not that interesting anymore.
00:17:32.000 Let's talk about.
00:17:34.000 Oh man, this is right.
00:17:36.000 So let's pivot from Hitler to Lindsay Clancy.
00:17:38.000 Now, this is a complicated story in a whole bunch of ways.
00:17:41.000 Because a lot of women see her as an exemplar, an opportunity to discuss the evident and not lucidly enough discussed issue of postpartum depression, the complexity of motherhood,
00:17:56.000 the challenges that a woman, I'm guessing from the outside as a man watching them, Go through when they give over their bodies to becoming a mother, and the pain that comes with letting go of who you used to be in order to become the person you have to be to be a mother.
00:18:11.000 All these things are really important, and plainly, a lot of women don't feel that those issues are being discussed in a way that is candid or open enough.
00:18:18.000 There's a lot of women in this room right now, I'm assuming some of them are mothers.
00:18:21.000 I know some of them, so I know that they are mothers.
00:18:24.000 And I reckon one of the problems all of us have is not feeling like we're seen as who we are.
00:18:31.000 This is a form of unconsciousness.
00:18:33.000 People don't know me, they cannot bless me.
00:18:35.000 If you don't know me as I am, how can you bless me?
00:18:38.000 If you don't see the real me, how can I connect to you?
00:18:42.000 If we're dealing with each other's masks, how can we heal one another and love one another?
00:18:46.000 I think Lindsay Clancy brings a lot of this to the forefront because the details of her case are pretty disturbing and monstrous in a kind of a classical sense, if you consider it monstrous to devour your young, which is the sort of characteristic of Saturn, you know, who eats his young.
00:19:02.000 But if you have got children, It ain't no joke, is it?
00:19:07.000 Like, I mean, like, sometimes I look at those little bastards, and in the case of the oldest one, literally, because we weren't married yet, and I think, shut up!
00:19:18.000 Stop it!
00:19:19.000 Please, you're driving me crazy!
00:19:22.000 But thankfully, I'm doing it with, like, married to a wife, and we love one another, and we're doing our best to keep our shit together and hold it together, and keep conscious the challenges of being a human.
00:19:33.000 Keep it conscious.
00:19:34.000 Don't go unconscious.
00:19:36.000 They want you unconscious.
00:19:37.000 They want you unconscious.
00:19:38.000 They can get you unconscious.
00:19:39.000 By evoking tribal feeling.
00:19:42.000 When you yoke your identity onto anything other than Him, the pure God incarnate, then you're sort of basically on your way to being in serious trouble.
00:19:52.000 Now it's just a timeline.
00:19:54.000 It's just a timeline.
00:19:55.000 It will happen.
00:19:56.000 If your identity is British, I'm British, or I'm funny, or I'm sexy, trouble's coming because you're not going to be British, sexy, or funny for very long at all.
00:20:06.000 You're not going to be beautiful for very long at all.
00:20:08.000 In heaven, there is no man or woman.
00:20:10.000 So, even the complex arguments around gender identity, gender fluidity, and traditional male female roles collapse when approached from the perspective of the mind of God, which is accessible to all of us because it's written down and we can sort of try our very best to understand it, knowing that we never will because we just simply don't have the hardware to download that software.
00:20:31.000 But we are made to know that it is in his likeness, his way, his manner, his frequency, his systems that we are meant to flow.
00:20:41.000 Now, Lindsay Clancy.
00:20:42.000 You know, it seems like I don't know, is there a verdict?
00:20:44.000 Did she kill her children?
00:20:47.000 We don't know the verdict yet, but I don't know, good anyway.
00:20:50.000 Uh, it's interesting that it is generated so much feeling because it reveals what does it show us?
00:20:56.000 What does it reveal?
00:20:58.000 What is it you want to know the truth, don't you?
00:21:00.000 Do you want to know the truth, or do you really just want to decorate your illusion more favorably?
00:21:06.000 A lot of us sometimes want to decorate our illusion more favorably.
00:21:09.000 I've done it for years, actually, just like I'll have some heroin in here.
00:21:13.000 Falatio would be nice.
00:21:15.000 There are all sorts of ways of making the cage more attractive.
00:21:19.000 But by God's grace, we are born at a time where the illusions are falling, where the walls are tumbling because the vibration has come too high.
00:21:25.000 We have walked around the city six times, and now the seventh day, we must reach individual completion.
00:21:31.000 Let's try to understand, Lindsay Clancy.
00:21:32.000 Check it.
00:21:33.000 Do you stand with her, yes or no?
00:21:35.000 I don't think she did it.
00:21:36.000 Yes.
00:21:36.000 We feel she's very sleep deprived.
00:21:38.000 Her job as a labor and delivery nurse working night shifts and three children is a lot.
00:21:43.000 A lot.
00:21:44.000 Do you have children?
00:21:44.000 Yes.
00:21:45.000 Would you ever hurt them?
00:21:46.000 Yes and no.
00:21:47.000 As a mom or as a dad, I think that you are not perfect.
00:21:51.000 So, what are the consequences she should face for this?
00:21:54.000 There's some margin between not perfect and killed them.
00:21:59.000 And then there's some wiggle room between that.
00:22:03.000 Like, not perfect.
00:22:04.000 I think I've been.
00:22:06.000 This is pretty funny.
00:22:08.000 Like, I've been letting my kids look too much at the iPad.
00:22:11.000 Yeah.
00:22:11.000 I let them sometimes eat chocolate and candy because I just can't be bothered to argue anymore.
00:22:17.000 Yeah.
00:22:18.000 What I've done is I killed mine.
00:22:20.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, no, there's a line.
00:22:22.000 There's a line.
00:22:23.000 There's a line.
00:22:24.000 It turns out there's a line.
00:22:27.000 Obviously, she's already in a wheelchair.
00:22:29.000 He should go to jail for negligence.
00:22:32.000 He needs to take care of his kids, and that was his responsibility.
00:22:36.000 Is this any of your girlfriends?
00:22:37.000 Mine.
00:22:38.000 This is your girlfriend?
00:22:40.000 I think you have to do some reflection on that.
00:22:42.000 I just have seen a little bit on TikTok of the case.
00:22:46.000 I'm watching it on TikTok or like.
00:22:48.000 The devil plays both sides.
00:22:50.000 The system, don't use the devil, it's too confusing.
00:22:53.000 The system of false light, the institutions of imperial power play both sides.
00:22:58.000 You might really, really believe, say, in the Lindsey Clancy.
00:23:01.000 Like, no, man, I know what it's like to be under pressure, and I've done crazy things when I've been under pressure.
00:23:06.000 Maybe you'll take that perspective and they'll go, hmm, this is good.
00:23:08.000 We can use this for division.
00:23:10.000 Or you might go, no, like, or you might really get into the Lindsay Clancy narrative and condemn her.
00:23:16.000 Guess what they'll do then?
00:23:17.000 We have to ban TikTok.
00:23:19.000 We have to control TikTok.
00:23:20.000 We have to control information.
00:23:22.000 More important than whether or not Lindsay Clancy, and it's a terrible tragedy, obviously, for the dead children and people that are actually affected and people that are secondarily affected because it evokes some memory of their own childhood abuse and childhood trauma or whatever, you know, those people must have compassion.
00:23:36.000 Otherwise, we're all in serious trouble.
00:23:38.000 But Pay attention too to how it is being used in the culture.
00:23:41.000 If you find that your position in an argument is one of the two positions the culture is suggesting to you, pause, pause, pause.
00:23:52.000 Because that's where they want you.
00:23:53.000 If you find yourself going, Trump, that guy's amazing.
00:23:57.000 He's perfect and I love him and he's brave.
00:23:59.000 Pause, pause.
00:24:01.000 I hate Trump.
00:24:02.000 He's a psychopath.
00:24:03.000 He's a narcissist.
00:24:03.000 Pause.
00:24:05.000 They want you in one of them.
00:24:06.000 They want you in one of those.
00:24:07.000 They can control you when you're in one of those.
00:24:09.000 What do you mean control you?
00:24:11.000 They are creating a kind of an aquarium for your consciousness where you are not free to receive the truth.
00:24:18.000 You are not free to receive it because you're all shashed up in muddledom.
00:24:23.000 You're all shashed up in confusion.
00:24:25.000 Consider your mind like a pool of crystal clear water, living water, as it says continually.
00:24:32.000 Imagine toxins and colors going into that water.
00:24:36.000 Where does it come from and who puts it there?
00:24:39.000 Was it your family?
00:24:40.000 Was it your school?
00:24:41.000 Was it your tribe?
00:24:41.000 Was it your nation?
00:24:42.000 Was it the media?
00:24:44.000 Certainly, it was likely it's the media these days.
00:24:46.000 So, remember before you think you think something, check out you really do think it.
00:24:52.000 How did it get in there?
00:24:53.000 How did that thought, that belief, that opinion get in there?
00:24:57.000 Is it any different from me supporting West Ham?
00:24:58.000 I support West Ham United.
00:25:00.000 Why is that?
00:25:00.000 Oh, where I was born, my dad supported West Ham United.
00:25:03.000 As I got older, it helped me to have an identity that connected me to geography.
00:25:07.000 When I felt like my masculinity was challenged, I amplified it because it made me recognize that it's a masculine form of identification.
00:25:14.000 To recognize sporting was surprising when I had this kind of.
00:25:17.000 Fluidity and androgynousness about my public identity.
00:25:20.000 You can dial up and down the flavors and the faders as much as you want to, but the first thing we put on, the first thing we must put on is truth.
00:25:28.000 And there is a truth.
00:25:30.000 It's not like a subjective truth, my truth, your truth.
00:25:32.000 Of course, we're all looking at a room or a situation or the proverbial elephant.
00:25:37.000 That's one of those ones when someone goes, Five blind men are feeling an elephant.
00:25:40.000 I know this one.
00:25:41.000 Shut up.
00:25:42.000 Shut up.
00:25:43.000 The elephant.
00:25:43.000 Describe then.
00:25:44.000 What is the elephant like?
00:25:46.000 Oh, it's like a snake or it's like a tree.
00:25:47.000 Shut up.
00:25:48.000 I know this one.
00:25:49.000 People have different perspectives.
00:25:50.000 I get it.
00:25:51.000 But they have different perspectives of an objective reality that we participate in extrasensorially.
00:25:57.000 If you need an image to understand it, consider the image of an abyss rather than a vortex, a kind of true nothingness.
00:26:02.000 Into the nothingness, from the nothingness, we cast five lines.
00:26:06.000 The five lines, consider them as fishing lines the fishing line of electromagnetic light waves between ultraviolet and infrared, or the vibrational frequencies that hit a particular decibel range, or the sensory instruments of the skin, or the tongue, or the smell.
00:26:22.000 All of that information is ultimately processed neurologically, electromagnetically, and endocrinally in here, in there actually as well, and in the belly.
00:26:30.000 I'm indicating the heart, the stomach, and the conscious brain, the brain.
00:26:36.000 Ah, man, if we're not able to bypass all of their noise and all of their propaganda, we'll end up believing seven silly things before breakfast.
00:26:44.000 Let's have a look at this post that compares Lindsay Clancy to a lady that murdered her children in the 1950s.
00:26:52.000 That's not the post, the one we made.
00:26:55.000 Do we have the one that we made?
00:26:59.000 Go to the one we made.
00:27:02.000 No.
00:27:04.000 And remember, like this is just a note, we did suggest removing some of the things at the time.
00:27:09.000 So, this maybe means that we need someone in attendance for that meeting so that we can ensure that those notes land.
00:27:15.000 Thank you.
00:27:16.000 Let's have a look at the, yeah, because asset 20.
00:27:20.000 Did you try asset 20?
00:27:21.000 Yeah, that's the first one I did.
00:27:22.000 So, it's not what we thought it was going to be.
00:27:24.000 Okay.
00:27:25.000 All right.
00:27:25.000 So, this is, I suppose, somewhat tangential because it's Anne Hathaway talking about abortion.
00:27:31.000 But, abortion, I suppose, gosh.
00:27:34.000 It's very interesting that the abortion argument is framed as pro choice, that choice is the aspect of abortion that is focused on rather than what life is and what the limitations of individual human will are.
00:27:48.000 And it's very interesting that it's become an issue that divides the sexes for obvious and understandable reasons.
00:27:55.000 There's only one sex that can grow human life in their bodies, and one might assume that they have more authority and power when it comes to that subject.
00:28:04.000 But what is authority and power?
00:28:06.000 If authority and power is predicated on service of self rather than service of higher ideal, no matter how you frame higher ideal, you might even have the concept of a hierarchy of ideals, you're introducing the concept of God, even if you think you're an atheist.
00:28:24.000 I suppose what it ultimately reveals is that self is the highest principle.
00:28:30.000 And the culture will tell you that again and again, whether it's in explicit and overt Luciferianism, do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, Alistair Crowley.
00:28:39.000 Or whether it's the more sort of, well, here's a good example of it from the culture Oprah Winfrey interviewing Elliot Page, who transitioned from female to male, and saying, Yes, you have to be true to yourself no matter what.
00:28:55.000 But that is not true.
00:28:58.000 You mustn't be true to yourself no matter what, because if you're true to yourself no matter what, there might be a moment where you really feel like killing your children.
00:29:05.000 And in order to be true to yourself, you kill your children.
00:29:09.000 Be true to yourself if you have surrendered your animal self, your fallen self, to the highest possible principle.
00:29:16.000 Then you can be true to no longer yourself, but to the ultimate self as personified in the risen Christ, i.e., it can happen in flesh.
00:29:26.000 God can be flesh.
00:29:28.000 It's not God is over there or up there or whatever.
00:29:31.000 You can participate in God simply by letting go of who you think you are because you probably are not who you think you are anyway.
00:29:42.000 Who put those ideas in your mind?
00:29:46.000 I wonder.
00:29:46.000 Let's have a look at the Anne Hathaway Asset 21.
00:29:49.000 When you are a young woman starting out your career, your reproductive destiny matters a great deal.
00:29:53.000 My own personal experience with abortion, and I don't think we talk about this enough.
00:29:57.000 Abortion can be another word for mercy.
00:30:00.000 We don't know.
00:30:02.000 Now, do we agree with the original premise?
00:30:04.000 We don't talk about abortion enough.
00:30:06.000 Do you, the audience?
00:30:07.000 Yes or no?
00:30:08.000 Say it vocally.
00:30:09.000 Yes or no?
00:30:12.000 You don't know.
00:30:12.000 Or yes, no, or don't know.
00:30:13.000 Do you think we talk about abortion enough?
00:30:15.000 Yes.
00:30:17.000 Do you think we talk about abortion enough?
00:30:19.000 No?
00:30:21.000 Or talk about abortion enough?
00:30:23.000 Don't know?
00:30:24.000 Yeah, I'm a bit in don't know as well.
00:30:26.000 But my job means I'm going to talk about it.
00:30:28.000 So, who said, someone over there said more than one word.
00:30:31.000 Who was that?
00:30:33.000 So, what is it?
00:30:39.000 Yeah, sorry.
00:30:39.000 Yeah, I just feel like we use it so much as a political instrument and to increase divisiveness, but do we really have substantial, substantive.
00:30:48.000 Conversations with other women about it.
00:30:50.000 Oh, I think you're right, Marcy.
00:30:53.000 We use it politically because people use the issue of abortion to establish control over people in both directions bilaterally.
00:31:02.000 That's a good idea.
00:31:03.000 I think you're right.
00:31:03.000 So, how should the conversation change and become?
00:31:08.000 Well, I mean, I've talked to other women about it.
00:31:09.000 I mean, there's still shame about talking about it.
00:31:12.000 There are so many women out there who have had abortions, but it doesn't mean that it's still like, oh, wow, we talk about it.
00:31:19.000 It's the political platform.
00:31:20.000 It's scary, isn't it?
00:31:22.000 One time I interviewed this lady.
00:31:24.000 She's brilliant, actually.
00:31:25.000 Amanda Palmer, she's a pop star.
00:31:27.000 And she was telling me how she's a very talented person.
00:31:29.000 She was married to Neil Gaiman, who wrote all those very, very good books.
00:31:32.000 And she's a brilliant, brilliant performer in her own right.
00:31:34.000 And she'd written a song about abortion where she used the lyrics of the Frozen song, Let It Go, to repurpose it to be about abortion.
00:31:42.000 Let it go, let it go, don't hold it back anymore.
00:31:44.000 And all of the lyrics.
00:31:45.000 And it was about abortion now.
00:31:47.000 And it was good because I got the chance to talk to her.
00:31:50.000 And she was a feminist and a very powerful woman, actually.
00:31:54.000 And I said, but none of us think it's nothing.
00:31:56.000 Like, whether you think it's like human life is sacred from the moment of conception and you're outside of, you're stepping into God's realm by doing that, or you think, oh, it's just some cellular tissue, who cares?
00:32:11.000 It's just the same as clipping your toenails.
00:32:12.000 No, like, actually, I think the second argument is disingenuous because I think that all of us know there's a charge in there.
00:32:19.000 And if you've deadened yourself to that, or the culture has deadened you to that, that's actually of a greater consequence than.
00:32:27.000 The abortion itself because we are forgiven whatever we do, and we're not meant to be judging one another, those are the important things.
00:32:33.000 You've got to know where you are, huh?
00:32:35.000 On the board, if you're like my position, huh?
00:32:38.000 I'm not allowed to judge anybody, it says that really clearly.
00:32:41.000 And I've got to get the plank out of my own eye rather than the speck of dust out of other people's eye.
00:32:45.000 That plank being the belief that I'm a separate entity rather than, no, I think what I'll do is wonder and see if I can save a bit of time and a bit of pressure by judging other people superficially rather than confronting the fact that I've fallen into sin myself, sin being a frequency.
00:32:59.000 Where the self is the optimal principle and service of the self, even if that self service is masked by apparent virtue.
00:33:06.000 I'm helping, I'm helping.
00:33:07.000 Yeah, all right, you're controlling, darling.
00:33:09.000 So I wonder then, mate, how we would ever be able to discuss abortion without that feeling of incredible weight and shame.
00:33:24.000 It used to be that we couldn't talk about sex or drug use or race.
00:33:27.000 Have we gotten any better?
00:33:29.000 We haven't, but we're still crippled by it.
00:33:32.000 Why?
00:33:34.000 What's happened to us?
00:33:36.000 You lem ladies know, them two there, one behind you, Nikki.
00:33:40.000 I would say we're so disconnected.
00:33:42.000 We're searching for connection, but we're so disconnected by being on social media.
00:33:49.000 The social media provides a kind of counterfeit, look how often that word comes up, counterfeit simulacrum of connection while actually keeping people isolated.
00:33:59.000 So, how then can we overcome that?
00:34:03.000 Let it go.
00:34:05.000 Yes, yes, yes.
00:34:08.000 To recognize that all things that we are forgiven, that our identity is not in what we have done or what other people think about us or what the culture demands of us.
00:34:18.000 Our identity is in our creator.
00:34:20.000 Our identity is in our creator.
00:34:22.000 It's all understood and delineated very clearly and carefully.
00:34:27.000 Okay, so whether it's their subject, thank you, mate.
00:34:29.000 Thanks for helping me to understand that better.
00:34:31.000 Whether it's Anne Hathaway, oh no, let's see a bit more of it because she does go into a bit more detail and it's quite.
00:34:36.000 Sort of interesting and a bit.
00:34:37.000 I've met Anne Halfway before, and she's a pretty good movie star and everything.
00:34:42.000 Also, I've been on that view before, I've been on that, and some of those ones will have been on there, I guess.
00:34:47.000 Let me see if I can conjure my own memories of the situation with this topic.
00:34:51.000 Let's check it.
00:34:52.000 We don't know.
00:34:53.000 We don't know.
00:34:53.000 It's not a world in which we know that no two pregnancies are alike, and it follows that no two lives are alike.
00:34:58.000 That follows that no two conceptions are alike.
00:35:03.000 No, no, no.
00:35:04.000 No two pregnancies are alike is the sort of infinite biological variations that occur when you're dealing with limitless DNA and limitless combinations.
00:35:13.000 But principles are principles.
00:35:15.000 Like, if you say no two pregnancies, like, it's obvious that there are circumstances where, and God, why am I pretending I've not been involved in abortions?
00:35:24.000 I have, I bet everyone in the room has at some point in some way or another.
00:35:27.000 And whenever you're justifying it, in a way, it's normally you've put yourself higher than some other principle.
00:35:34.000 I've taken it from my own personal experience.
00:35:35.000 My own personal experience of abortion have been that I've gone, I'm more important.
00:35:40.000 Like that.
00:35:41.000 It's got that in there somewhere.
00:35:42.000 And I can really dress it up in a number of ways, but it normally comes down to.
00:35:46.000 Now, obviously, there are exemptions.
00:35:47.000 One likes to say for the exemptions for rape and serious disease.
00:35:54.000 And, you know, gosh, I mean, if that's the conversation, that's a better conversation than the ones that.
00:35:58.000 People have been having in the past, in it where it seems like it's about controlling women or whether or not life is sacred, seems like those two things we should be able to reach some kind of truce and confluence on.
00:36:12.000 But when it comes to those abortions and self justification and putting yourself as the highest principle, I don't think there's ever a resolution or solution in that direction.
00:36:28.000 And if that's the principle that you're serving, It's never the right principle.
00:36:33.000 And if you deny that there is an absolute principle that life is sacred, if you move away from that.
00:36:38.000 See, when my wife Laura was pregnant with our youngest son, when the 26 week scan revealed that he had what they would call birth defects, congenital heart condition, they did offer what they called late term abortion.
00:36:54.000 And I remember sitting in the stasis of, well, it's your body, it's your body, you know, my wife's body, huh?
00:37:04.000 And sitting in the idea of, man, like he's going to have these complications.
00:37:10.000 He's like, like they said, like the DeGeorge syndrome, which is another condition he has, is like at the extreme end.
00:37:16.000 He might not be able to talk or do anything and all this.
00:37:18.000 And I'm like, oh, man.
00:37:20.000 And I remember my first reaction.
00:37:21.000 My first reaction was, I'm not going to one of them children's hospital, kids with tubes up their nose, all that.
00:37:26.000 I'm not doing it.
00:37:27.000 I'm not doing it.
00:37:27.000 And I don't know what I think I was saying when I said that.
00:37:31.000 I don't know what I think I was saying because I don't think I was saying abortion now.
00:37:35.000 I don't think I was saying that.
00:37:37.000 I was just saying, I don't want to do that.
00:37:39.000 I don't want to go to children's hospitals and be confronted with sick children.
00:37:43.000 I don't want to.
00:37:44.000 But that child, my son, he's three now, and I've been in them children's hospitals.
00:37:50.000 And when I was in them children's hospitals, this is what the Lord showed me.
00:37:53.000 Who are you not to come to these children's hospitals?
00:37:57.000 Who do you think you are that you're not coming to these children's hospitals?
00:38:00.000 What have you seen in these children's hospitals?
00:38:03.000 Glory, beauty, passion, service, kindness.
00:38:07.000 The highest principles, maybe a little higher than being a movie star.
00:38:14.000 I don't know.
00:38:15.000 All right, let's have a.
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00:39:47.000 Okay, don't let them take your freedom.
00:39:49.000 Don't let them take your freedom.
00:39:50.000 Don't make Them, don't let them make you live in fear.
00:39:53.000 Oh, we're allowed to have conversations.
00:39:55.000 Is it okay?
00:39:57.000 Someone, someone maybe said the N word.
00:40:00.000 Oh, do I cut my cock off?
00:40:04.000 Would you like me to show my vagina shut?
00:40:06.000 Would that help?
00:40:11.000 You're gonna die in the meantime, live.
00:40:17.000 Okay, here's a let's have a look at our next guest, Dean.
00:40:20.000 Here's a clip that helps you to conceptualize him.
00:40:23.000 We're gonna drive across the United States.
00:40:25.000 And stop in 12 different states.
00:40:28.000 Each state is going to represent a principle in this overall healing process.
00:40:36.000 So that's the concept.
00:40:38.000 And we're going to start here in Montana.
00:40:49.000 Please welcome Dane.
00:41:01.000 We're friends.
00:41:02.000 All right, yeah, we've known each other.
00:41:04.000 Sit down there.
00:41:05.000 Matter of fact, the first time you talked to me, you called me carnival esque.
00:41:10.000 Why did I say that?
00:41:11.000 And I said carnival esque, you just baptized somebody in a penguin pool.
00:41:17.000 And I'm like, you're right.
00:41:18.000 Who am I?
00:41:19.000 Crazy.
00:41:20.000 I can't say another person's like P.T. Barnum when I've lived this crazy carnival life baptizing people in penguin pools, just being one thing I've done.
00:41:29.000 That's just one of the things that's happened in life.
00:41:33.000 Now, Dean, we're not here to talk about me, but I'm sure I'll find a way.
00:41:37.000 But until then, let's talk about the American Odyssey 12 steps, 12 states, 12 principles.
00:41:45.000 Tell it so that I'll understand.
00:41:47.000 Well, not me, that I'll understand.
00:41:48.000 So, that fucking dog, man, that dog is killing me.
00:41:51.000 Tell me so that everyone knows, you know, so that they can participate, the viewer.
00:41:55.000 All right, all right.
00:41:56.000 Well, I'm about 35 years sober now.
00:41:59.000 Well done, yeah, for not taking drugs, drinking all the time.
00:42:04.000 25 years?
00:42:04.000 Yeah, and I come across like a financial planner, don't I?
00:42:06.000 Like, I got it going on, got the haircut, reserved.
00:42:10.000 I think you seem crazy.
00:42:12.000 Yeah, well, anyway, I got sober a long time ago.
00:42:17.000 Well done for doing that.
00:42:19.000 And then, because you got sober, if you want to, if it helps you and if you think it will help us, tell us when you were drinking and that.
00:42:25.000 Tell us some examples so we go, whoa, that guy, that was messed up.
00:42:29.000 That's good.
00:42:30.000 I like that one.
00:42:33.000 Cops.
00:42:34.000 Good one.
00:42:35.000 Yeah.
00:42:36.000 Because, like, Brazil, you get the idea that they'd pretty much let you do what you want.
00:42:39.000 Like, so if you're like, that's enough of that, sir!
00:42:42.000 Like, you know, not sandbanging in this way.
00:42:44.000 No, no, it was.
00:42:47.000 Put some trousers on!
00:42:48.000 Other charges.
00:42:49.000 Other charges.
00:42:52.000 So, anyway, I was qualified.
00:42:54.000 I was qualified.
00:42:55.000 Yeah.
00:42:56.000 Anyway, I.
00:42:57.000 I like you.
00:42:58.000 You do?
00:42:58.000 Yeah.
00:43:00.000 I do like you.
00:43:00.000 I think you're a good man.
00:43:01.000 I can tell you are.
00:43:02.000 Do they know that you did a podcast with me driving a bus across the country?
00:43:05.000 Do you know that I'd done a podcast with him?
00:43:08.000 And this is the crazy thing.
00:43:09.000 He was driving a bus across the country, going to different places, your country, America, and he was going to different states and stuff, and each state and location exhibited one of the Principles of the 12 steps.
00:43:18.000 12 steps is how some of us stay clean and sober, and it's like a method that helps you stop drinking and taking drugs the whole time instead of connecting to God like you're supposed to.
00:43:28.000 Now, Dean's been doing that for 35 years.
00:43:29.000 And how did you tell me, mate, what was the first place?
00:43:33.000 And tell us that, you know, we couldn't learn about your fallout shelter and all that, but start with the Odyssey.
00:43:38.000 Yeah.
00:43:39.000 Okay, so I did the steps.
00:43:42.000 I was living in my car for that, and I've always been a capable guy, but I just Couldn't stop.
00:43:48.000 Was it a nice car?
00:43:50.000 No, it was Lee Iacocca.
00:43:51.000 You know who he is?
00:43:53.000 No, but I like his surname.
00:43:54.000 Yeah, anyway, it was like a K car, tiny convertible, so the back seat was like three feet wide, really bad.
00:44:01.000 Anyway, I lived there and I got arrested again.
00:44:05.000 And then they were going to put me in jail.
00:44:07.000 And they said, We're going to give you a choice to go to kind of one flew over the cuckoo's nest.
00:44:11.000 And I did.
00:44:13.000 And an old man walked in there and gave me a toolkit.
00:44:18.000 And took me on some trips.
00:44:21.000 Explain that it's a metaphorical toolkit in case someone's imagining like all wrenches and hammers and chisels.
00:44:27.000 What kind of a toolkit?
00:44:29.000 It was a 12 step program, which is really primitive Christianity, which they say Jesus did walking around the Mediterranean.
00:44:37.000 No talk, no churches involved, no crosses, nothing like that.
00:44:40.000 One human to another, listening and working through a process.
00:44:44.000 That's essentially what the steps are.
00:44:46.000 And it's hard.
00:44:47.000 But.
00:44:48.000 Miraculous nature of it turned me into a person that was super rah rah.
00:44:53.000 So, what do you mean, rah rah?
00:44:54.000 Rah rah.
00:44:55.000 I mean, you talk about free.
00:44:57.000 Who's I can't tell you how free I am.
00:44:59.000 Really?
00:45:00.000 What do you mean free?
00:45:01.000 You're driving around, you're doing an odyssey, you're helping people, you're buying the house opposite Bill W., the founder of AA.
00:45:06.000 What are you doing?
00:45:07.000 What is this freedom?
00:45:07.000 How are you free?
00:45:08.000 You live in a bunker in Montana, a nuclear bunker.
00:45:10.000 You've amended it, you've actually made it not fit for being a proper bunker, which is madness because we're on the edge of a holy war.
00:45:16.000 But well, tell us about this freedom.
00:45:18.000 You know, I just had an article in The Economist.
00:45:20.000 I sent in something about the bunker.
00:45:22.000 I told him I was cutting windows in it because so many billionaires were going the other way.
00:45:27.000 That's fear versus faith.
00:45:29.000 That's the point I was making.
00:45:29.000 And they actually put a little blurb in The Economist.
00:45:31.000 Can you imagine that?
00:45:32.000 A guy living in his car.
00:45:33.000 Crazy.
00:45:33.000 You've done well.
00:45:35.000 You've done well.
00:45:35.000 It's not me.
00:45:36.000 It's the Lord.
00:45:37.000 It's not me.
00:45:37.000 It's not me.
00:45:38.000 So the energy and the guidance from that can go to someone when you're beat down to a point of reasonableness.
00:45:45.000 But I was beyond that.
00:45:46.000 I was a puddle.
00:45:46.000 There wasn't anything left.
00:45:48.000 And I realized everything that was there before was sitting on a platform of ego, which is sitting on a big loaf of.
00:45:55.000 Fear underneath it.
00:45:57.000 And anyway, this magical process that I went through enabled me to rearrange my life and take guidance.
00:46:05.000 I became other centric, service oriented, and then I turned that on steroids.
00:46:09.000 A guy took me on a kayaking trip.
00:46:11.000 As soon as I got that community, I was okay.
00:46:14.000 I started working on these steps.
00:46:17.000 On a kayak?
00:46:19.000 Yeah, waterproofing.
00:46:22.000 I can talk while you're drinking.
00:46:23.000 Don't rush.
00:46:24.000 It's okay.
00:46:24.000 So you were on a kayak, huh?
00:46:26.000 We did kayak trips, cross the Okee Penoki.
00:46:28.000 I like to take the young guys out before to a place that makes them uncomfortable.
00:46:33.000 Cumberland Island.
00:46:34.000 Just be careful with that.
00:46:39.000 I'm messing around.
00:46:40.000 I'm messing around.
00:46:41.000 I'm joking.
00:46:42.000 You are funny.
00:46:43.000 You're funny.
00:46:43.000 I know.
00:46:44.000 Thank you.
00:46:44.000 Thank you.
00:46:45.000 I love it.
00:46:46.000 I love to be funny.
00:46:47.000 It helps me to feel free.
00:46:48.000 The extreme trips get their mind open a little bit because they're worried about where they are, and I think their consciousness is open a little more.
00:46:54.000 So when we're talking about this, it makes the steps stickier if I put them under odd conditions.
00:47:01.000 You take them out into the wilderness, and then you don't just sort of run a kind of treatment center like this bunker that you own in Montana.
00:47:06.000 Isn't it like you've got a bunch of recovering drug addicts living in that, Dean?
00:47:09.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:47:09.000 So I've turned these trips into projects, and the project, one of them, turned into a nuclear.
00:47:15.000 Fallout shelter owned by a church in Paradise Valley, Montana.
00:47:20.000 Actually, right.
00:47:21.000 That story is so hard to follow, man, isn't it?
00:47:23.000 Like a nuclear bunker, it was owned by a church.
00:47:25.000 Ah, I've cut holes in the wall.
00:47:27.000 What's going on?
00:47:28.000 So, like, you turned up.
00:47:30.000 It was a huge church with a nuclear bunker.
00:47:32.000 You own it now.
00:47:32.000 You've got a load of drug addicts in there.
00:47:34.000 They're not taking drugs in there, they're living in a life of recovery.
00:47:36.000 Because what you want is for people to understand this alchemy that can take place when people are attached to false things like chemicals or other false idols and they can be transformed and renewed somehow.
00:47:47.000 For six summers, we took kids off the street.
00:47:50.000 And just prior to this, I met a guy that worked for Steve Harvey.
00:47:55.000 So he said, Oh, yeah, him.
00:47:56.000 I like him off of that show.
00:47:57.000 Oh, he's great.
00:47:58.000 He's great.
00:47:58.000 Man, he interviewed me once, and I watched his face.
00:48:00.000 I watched him getting more and more confused as I kept talking until eventually he asked me to leave.
00:48:05.000 Honestly, he was like, All right, his face almost went in on itself, Jake.
00:48:10.000 He's like, His face closed down.
00:48:12.000 I was like, Oh, no, I'm not reaching him.
00:48:14.000 I weren't doing it right.
00:48:15.000 Because I know Steve Harvey's a good guy and a good comic.
00:48:17.000 He's a special guy.
00:48:18.000 Well, I'll tell you, maybe I wasn't very spiritual then because he was looking at me like, looking at me confused.
00:48:23.000 So he helped you, huh?
00:48:25.000 He filmed it.
00:48:26.000 We filmed it and started a show.
00:48:27.000 So what I did was take the 12 steps, cut them into 450 questions.
00:48:31.000 We did 90 episodes after pulling kids off the street.
00:48:34.000 We worked six summer days.
00:48:35.000 Look, you better provide some context for that.
00:48:37.000 I live with them underground.
00:48:38.000 Oh, my God.
00:48:39.000 It was crazy.
00:48:39.000 That's not helpful context.
00:48:41.000 When I said, like, we didn't even like pulling these kids off the street, we live in Epstein trafficking world, right?
00:48:49.000 So you've got to say, look, in a bunker.
00:48:50.000 Oh, God, he's a philanthropist.
00:48:52.000 And there we are.
00:48:53.000 We ordered pizzas.
00:48:55.000 And Prince Andrew was there.
00:48:58.000 No windows.
00:49:00.000 Yeah, now you're helping people like these kids pulling them off the street.
00:49:03.000 Give some more nuance to the process of pulling them off the street because it sounds too much like a kid.
00:49:08.000 I have to interview a bunch of them.
00:49:10.000 So we put it out there.
00:49:11.000 We call it the Montana Society, which is an acronym for Men of New Thought and New Awareness.
00:49:17.000 Basically, the guy that I became was trying to take these kids and make that same change, give them that opportunity.
00:49:25.000 So let's, well, for example, we were doing a podcast and there was one sitting in the bunker, the guy that was doing the photography.
00:49:32.000 I liked him.
00:49:33.000 Austin.
00:49:34.000 He was in the background, sitting quiet.
00:49:36.000 You called him the guy from Big Lebowski.
00:49:42.000 Yeah, I said he looked like a dude from Big Lebowski, which is my wife saying, You look stoned.
00:49:47.000 Are you sure you're not taking drugs in that bunker?
00:49:50.000 But after some brief interrogation, I was satisfied that he was not high.
00:49:56.000 So, the whole process unfolds, I think.
00:49:59.000 So, I try to live life with lots of gusto and energy and intent.
00:50:03.000 And I try to live with like 90% of my life or 95% of my life being about me.
00:50:08.000 So, I get five, maybe 8% in an other centric manner.
00:50:11.000 That's good.
00:50:11.000 I think that's enough.
00:50:12.000 Good ratios.
00:50:13.000 And it doesn't count unless it hurts.
00:50:16.000 Yeah.
00:50:17.000 Not service if it's not inconvenient.
00:50:19.000 God has enough saints, but he always needs drivers.
00:50:23.000 So, one of the projects when we were down here, I ran into.
00:50:28.000 I was thinking, you know, Russell and I would get along.
00:50:29.000 So I kind of put the idea out there, sent him some emails.
00:50:31.000 It never got back to me.
00:50:32.000 Sent the seventh email, never got back to me.
00:50:34.000 I'm like, Russell, you know, it'd work, it'd work.
00:50:37.000 And so I'm walking down the beach one day and walking my son's dog, and there's one guy there.
00:50:42.000 And I said, I don't think they're supposed to have a dog.
00:50:45.000 And he walked up, and I said, You know, if I could be here with a dog.
00:50:47.000 And he said, Had an English accent.
00:50:51.000 And I said, Oh my God.
00:50:53.000 He goes, I don't live here.
00:50:54.000 Where do you live?
00:50:54.000 I said, We're building a house.
00:50:56.000 And I got a homeless guy doing it for me.
00:50:58.000 And I told him all this Carl Jung and synchronicity, and my whole life unfolds.
00:51:03.000 And I try to stay out of expectation, but it's this crazy thing.
00:51:07.000 And he grabs me and he goes on.
00:51:10.000 He tells me that he's your best friend.
00:51:13.000 Who was he, though?
00:51:14.000 Jerome.
00:51:16.000 He's French for a start.
00:51:18.000 He's French?
00:51:19.000 Yeah, he's French.
00:51:19.000 He's not British.
00:51:20.000 He's also extremely French.
00:51:23.000 Like French.
00:51:24.000 Almost like I almost wouldn't talk to the guy.
00:51:26.000 He's French to me.
00:51:27.000 Yeah, because he was speaking English.
00:51:28.000 But Jerome is really madly French.
00:51:30.000 And he's insane.
00:51:32.000 But also, he is, I would have to say, extremely French.
00:51:34.000 I'm not going to use my French joke.
00:51:35.000 I'm going to keep it.
00:51:36.000 No, use it.
00:51:36.000 Use it.
00:51:36.000 Like the French, they need to be brought down a peg or two, don't they?
00:51:39.000 And this is the way.
00:51:40.000 Start with this.
00:51:41.000 You didn't try hard enough against Germany in the Second World War, right?
00:51:45.000 Always, that puts them on the back foot, which is where they are most comfortable, to be honest.
00:51:51.000 And then attack their cuisine.
00:51:53.000 They hate that.
00:51:54.000 They cook from their lawn chair.
00:51:56.000 They just eat things that they eat.
00:51:57.000 Frogs, snails.
00:51:59.000 Frogs.
00:52:00.000 They're out of control.
00:52:02.000 They're absolutely a nation that's completely out of control.
00:52:05.000 You'll never go wrong criticizing, judging, and even being racist against the French.
00:52:09.000 By that, I would say white French people.
00:52:13.000 Black French people, same rules of play.
00:52:15.000 That's how we got together.
00:52:17.000 And I started talking to him and you, and I got him, my next door neighbor down here.
00:52:22.000 With a meditation center.
00:52:23.000 And I got.
00:52:24.000 Meditation is the thing that pushed me over the edge and changed my life.
00:52:27.000 And it allowed me to see what consciousness is and what it isn't.
00:52:32.000 And then everything else just exploded.
00:52:35.000 I ended up with a lot down here and I started to build a house with a bunch of homeless guys and working and working and working.
00:52:41.000 And my next door neighbor had a meditation center.
00:52:45.000 What you seem to be saying, Dean, is that you're on a kind of a serendipitous path.
00:52:50.000 So the word serendipity means that's a Bible.
00:52:52.000 That is a book, signed book by Prudence.
00:52:54.000 Prudence Pharaoh.
00:52:56.000 Mia Farrell's sister.
00:52:58.000 The titular Dear Prudence of the Beatles song.
00:53:00.000 Yes.
00:53:01.000 I know this lineage.
00:53:02.000 I learned meditation from this lineage with the David Lynch Foundation and with my dear friend Bobby Roth.
00:53:08.000 TM is a very good way to learn to access the limitless quantum field of God's power.
00:53:15.000 Prudence's friend is the one that took TM to Bill Wilson.
00:53:19.000 Do you know that?
00:53:21.000 I did not know that.
00:53:22.000 I've had her sign it for you with a little heart, so this is your copy.
00:53:24.000 Oh, you give it to me?
00:53:25.000 I gave one to Jerome.
00:53:26.000 And I sent one to Dean.
00:53:27.000 He didn't even mention that.
00:53:28.000 That didn't even make it into his story.
00:53:29.000 He was so French, he was just talking about mad French stuff.
00:53:33.000 That's all he could manage sex, burlesque, Moulin Rouge.
00:53:36.000 I sent him a book in England, though.
00:53:39.000 Well, he's not said thank you, or for him it would be merci.
00:53:42.000 But he wouldn't say it anyway, so it doesn't matter what language they're using.
00:53:44.000 Dean, you're a good man, mate.
00:53:45.000 Now tell us a bit about this Odyssey because I want to understand it.
00:53:48.000 No, not The Bunker.
00:53:49.000 We've understood The Bunker.
00:53:50.000 You're insane and you live in a bunker.
00:53:51.000 I love The Bunker.
00:53:52.000 That's all there is on that.
00:53:53.000 And you drag kids off the street and seemingly force them to live in the bunker with it.
00:53:57.000 You've got to interview him.
00:53:58.000 I brought you a book of The Bunker.
00:54:00.000 That was in the bunker.
00:54:01.000 It turns out the bunker is a meditation center.
00:54:03.000 The church was.
00:54:04.000 And this is Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
00:54:06.000 So I brought you one of the.
00:54:07.000 I know how much you like to read.
00:54:08.000 I do like to read.
00:54:09.000 You'll appreciate that.
00:54:10.000 I don't stop.
00:54:11.000 Anyway, after the bunker, I ended up with a bus.
00:54:13.000 Puzzle pool?
00:54:14.000 I love a puzzle pool.
00:54:16.000 Yeah.
00:54:16.000 All right, that's good.
00:54:18.000 I ended up with a bus.
00:54:19.000 And I said, what am I going to do with this?
00:54:20.000 You end up with a bus.
00:54:20.000 All your stories.
00:54:21.000 I tell you something, Dean.
00:54:23.000 You tell stories in a strange way and you miss out on crucial details.
00:54:27.000 Here's some of the things, and you can check this and you can cut it.
00:54:30.000 Together as a reel, if you want to.
00:54:31.000 Some of the things Dean said in this conversation I like to make guys uncomfortable and take them off into the woods.
00:54:37.000 One, two, I've been dragging kids off the street into a bunker.
00:54:43.000 I live in my car!
00:54:49.000 It's like if we had Jeffrey Dahmer on here, that's the sort of shit he'd be saying.
00:54:54.000 I got a guy's head in my fridge!
00:55:00.000 So start.
00:55:01.000 I ended up with a bus!
00:55:03.000 Motherfucker!
00:55:04.000 The bus just appeared!
00:55:07.000 Start adding context to your stories.
00:55:11.000 I purchased a bus.
00:55:13.000 Good.
00:55:14.000 From the Jackson Hole rugby team.
00:55:16.000 I can lose.
00:55:17.000 It's gone weird again!
00:55:18.000 It's gone weird again!
00:55:20.000 I'm sorry.
00:55:21.000 And that's from a guy who.
00:55:23.000 Less context.
00:55:24.000 Less context.
00:55:25.000 Okay.
00:55:26.000 Try less context.
00:55:27.000 So it had horns on the front of it.
00:55:29.000 Oh, gosh.
00:55:29.000 I shoveled the beer cans out of it.
00:55:32.000 And I. Perfect for Montana.
00:55:34.000 So, and the bunker is on the ranch.
00:55:37.000 On the Dutton Ranch.
00:55:37.000 If you know where that is.
00:55:38.000 Yeah.
00:55:39.000 Oh, cool.
00:55:40.000 The show?
00:55:40.000 Oh, yeah, I know that show.
00:55:41.000 I don't watch it.
00:55:42.000 I don't know.
00:55:42.000 I'm back near.
00:55:43.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:55:43.000 I get the idea.
00:55:44.000 There are TV shows.
00:55:45.000 So I.
00:55:46.000 I came up with an idea with the bus to, and I pitched him on it, going from Montana, leaving Yellowstone, which is where that photo was, all the way to Bill Wilson's house.
00:55:56.000 And I called up Bill Wilson's house, the guy that rode all 12 steps, famous dude.
00:56:00.000 And I said, hey, let's raffle this bus off, and we'll do it with cameras on the bus as we go across the country.
00:56:05.000 Yeah.
00:56:06.000 Which we did.
00:56:06.000 I thought I was going to win because you bought me a lot of tickets, and I thought it was kind of like insider trading kind of thing.
00:56:11.000 I was trying to.
00:56:12.000 And I didn't get it.
00:56:13.000 Oh, man.
00:56:14.000 I tried pushing it correctly.
00:56:15.000 I tried to get it on the bus.
00:56:16.000 Believe me, I bent every one of your tickets on the corner, and they still didn't get it.
00:56:19.000 But.
00:56:20.000 Dratt.
00:56:22.000 Well, the funny thing is that the girl that won it didn't pick it up.
00:56:26.000 So I can have it.
00:56:27.000 Lord, you are truly mighty.
00:56:29.000 Oh, my God.
00:56:29.000 I don't think you really want to.
00:56:31.000 Of course I want a bus.
00:56:32.000 Oh, my God.
00:56:32.000 Who doesn't want a bus?
00:56:33.000 Go measure your driving.
00:56:34.000 You drive around that thing.
00:56:35.000 You don't want a bus.
00:56:36.000 Why don't you want a bus?
00:56:37.000 We drive around in the bus.
00:56:38.000 We make TV shows in the bus.
00:56:39.000 We go around the bus and say, this is Russ on the bus, all about us in the US, right?
00:56:44.000 You've got to say yes to that.
00:56:46.000 We're making like Ken Kesey.
00:56:48.000 We go everywhere.
00:56:48.000 We meet people.
00:56:49.000 We understand how people are understanding and reading God.
00:56:52.000 Now we make ourselves a new Jerusalem, we bring the holy power of the Lord here, we overthrow the government.
00:56:58.000 Don't worry about that bit.
00:56:59.000 Then we set up independent communities that are democratic.
00:57:03.000 Then we tell people in other countries how to run their own independent communities that are fully democratic and they can run their communities.
00:57:08.000 Yeah, every community is fully independent except in matters affecting other communities or America as a whole.
00:57:13.000 Yeah, use 12 traditions, baby.
00:57:15.000 And all I've got to do is just one or two trials in the UK to get through, and once then we can get on with this revolution, we can get on with what God sent us here to do.
00:57:26.000 If it's your will, Lord, wherever you put me is where I'm going to be.
00:57:29.000 I mean, you, Dean, do make me believe in God because you are insane, I think, and yet you're not in an insane asylum.
00:57:36.000 So God must be using you for something.
00:57:38.000 Yeah, I was broken to the point where something else could come in.
00:57:42.000 And I stay connected as much as I can and I stay in service to God's kids because anything about me is going to be a problem.
00:57:47.000 Don't ever say to the God bless you, don't ever say to those young men when you've got them all vulnerable in the woods, I'm going to break you in such a way that something else can come in.
00:57:55.000 Right?
00:57:56.000 Because.
00:57:57.000 That again will be, I think, misinterpreted.
00:58:00.000 It should be.
00:58:00.000 I have to be careful.
00:58:03.000 Hey, everybody, this is beloved Dean Anderson.
00:58:05.000 What should people do to support your many, many causes?
00:58:08.000 Well, we are taking these shows and we put them on a platform which you can sign up for free.
00:58:13.000 It's going to be recovery oriented shows.
00:58:15.000 Weird stuff, weird shows that we embed the 12 steps inside.
00:58:20.000 And.
00:58:21.000 There's a link in the description.
00:58:22.000 There's a link in the description.
00:58:23.000 Montana Society.
00:58:24.000 No, Dean, you can't do all 12, darling.
00:58:26.000 You don't have to read it because I've got to do another guest.
00:58:28.000 That lady there, Sarah, beloved.
00:58:29.000 She's telling me to hurry the F up, right?
00:58:32.000 Because of you.
00:58:32.000 You mean we're done already?
00:58:33.000 Yes, darling.
00:58:34.000 This is life now.
00:58:35.000 Imagine if you were on Letterman, seven minutes, you're in, you're out.
00:58:37.000 You just, well, it's cold in here and it's confusing.
00:58:40.000 Now, fuck off.
00:58:40.000 That's what it's like.
00:58:42.000 That's what it's like.
00:58:43.000 Anyway, listen, you've got to go.
00:58:44.000 I love you, Dean.
00:58:45.000 Give him a round of applause.
00:58:46.000 He's crazy.
00:58:48.000 All the sites are at the bottom.
00:58:49.000 We sent him to you.
00:58:51.000 Now, listen, it's a very special show today.
00:58:52.000 If you're watching us on Rumble or Rumble Premium, if you've not got Rumble Premium yet, get Rumble Premium now because my friend Christine is going to come back on in a minute.
00:59:00.000 But before that, I've got my mate Sean Murphy.
00:59:03.000 And I don't know where you go from Dean Anderson except maybe Sean Murphy.
00:59:06.000 I've been speaking to Sean for a few hours now, and I think he might.
00:59:11.000 Be able to give Dean a run for his money in the mad mistake.
00:59:14.000 So please stick around.
00:59:15.000 But so that you know that I'm not making this shit up, here is a quick video to help you conceptualize Sean.
00:59:21.000 The band had confidence in me because when they showed up, I had done so much scouting and planning.
00:59:27.000 They just thought, God damn, like, look at all this rab shit.
00:59:31.000 You're just, it's just by finding shit.
00:59:33.000 He's confident.
00:59:34.000 He's just, and I'm shooting like every five minutes.
00:59:37.000 I didn't tell him that I've been doing this shit for weeks.
00:59:41.000 Please welcome to the stage, Sean Murphy.
00:59:44.000 Charlie, my fate.
00:59:47.000 I like you a lot.
00:59:51.000 Let me just look for one second.
00:59:57.000 You've taken enough in.
00:59:58.000 You can say that again.
01:00:00.000 Too much.
01:00:01.000 I sat on your lap for the cold open of one of the other shows, and let me tell you, I could feel the terrain moving beneath my butt, let me tell you.
01:00:10.000 The topographical map of your lap was shifting and changing, baby.
01:00:13.000 It was.
01:00:14.000 There were mountains, there were hills, there were tents, there were hills, there were valleys, it was undulating.
01:00:20.000 It was.
01:00:21.000 Let me just calm down for a second.
01:00:23.000 I'm calm.
01:00:24.000 I was super nervous yesterday.
01:00:26.000 Why?
01:00:26.000 And all day today.
01:00:27.000 I was meditating.
01:00:28.000 He's talking about meditating.
01:00:29.000 I love this.
01:00:30.000 We're talking about steps.
01:00:32.000 All the things I love.
01:00:34.000 I was meditating.
01:00:35.000 On the way here, I was just like, don't say ums.
01:00:40.000 Say whatever you want.
01:00:41.000 Don't say too many F bombs, GDs, the R word.
01:00:44.000 You can do whatever you want.
01:00:46.000 You can say what you want.
01:00:47.000 You can be free.
01:00:48.000 You are accepted.
01:00:49.000 You are exactly as you are is perfect.
01:00:50.000 Good.
01:00:51.000 Perfect.
01:00:51.000 You know that now.
01:00:52.000 And my wife, my beautiful, all my friends.
01:00:54.000 What do you mean?
01:00:54.000 All of them.
01:00:55.000 What?
01:00:55.000 They're your friends.
01:00:56.000 They're my beautiful wife there.
01:00:57.000 Film them.
01:00:57.000 Workers.
01:00:59.000 Which one is your wife?
01:01:00.000 The one over there back there.
01:01:01.000 You poor, poor woman.
01:01:02.000 Let me have.
01:01:03.000 Yeah.
01:01:04.000 What is going on?
01:01:04.000 What's your name?
01:01:06.000 That's Jessica.
01:01:07.000 Jessica, how many hours a day can he keep this shit up for?
01:01:11.000 Like eight hours, ten hours?
01:01:13.000 He's like this all the time.
01:01:14.000 How long have you guys been married?
01:01:17.000 She's never done drugs.
01:01:18.000 Now might be a good time to start.
01:01:20.000 No.
01:01:21.000 You've been married two years.
01:01:23.000 You've never done drugs.
01:01:24.000 You're married to the great Sean Murphy, rock and roll photographer, rock and roll star in many ways.
01:01:28.000 Are you having a good marriage so far, mate?
01:01:31.000 Yes.
01:01:31.000 It's a joy, isn't it?
01:01:32.000 It's absolutely.
01:01:32.000 I mean, but what about the characters?
01:01:34.000 It's lovely to meet you.
01:01:34.000 Round of applause for Jessica, the real star here.
01:01:37.000 Now, Sean, tell us a little bit about living in LA and photographing.
01:01:45.000 Photographing.
01:01:45.000 Am I saying that right?
01:01:46.000 Photographing.
01:01:47.000 You know when you can't remember how to speak words and your own name starts to sound crazy?
01:01:51.000 You're a photographer and you took a lot of photos of like rock and roll bands and that kind of stuff.
01:01:54.000 That, I'm assuming, is a world of decadence, hedonism, and borderline criminality.
01:01:59.000 Give us a little bit of insight into that world and how you came to score that Weezer gig and what you were doing around that time.
01:02:05.000 Let's learn about you.
01:02:07.000 I became a meth addict in San Francisco, working, living above a gay porn studio.
01:02:13.000 A gay porn studio?
01:02:14.000 Rough trade.
01:02:15.000 It was called Falcon Studios.
01:02:17.000 What's the noise like?
01:02:20.000 It was mostly like set up like sex lines.
01:02:24.000 And then they would do photo shoots out back.
01:02:26.000 So one day they needed me to do a quick scene because they knew I was a photographer.
01:02:30.000 I traded a little bag of math for doing the scene.
01:02:33.000 And then that guy.
01:02:34.000 You were shooting the scene or you were in it?
01:02:36.000 Shooting it.
01:02:38.000 And what was the scene?
01:02:40.000 Was Dean there?
01:02:40.000 It was Daddy L.
01:02:41.000 And then he called a friend in LA, and then I started shooting straight porn.
01:02:45.000 That's how I got into the.
01:02:46.000 Oh my God, you just come by porn.
01:02:48.000 What a guy.
01:02:49.000 What a guy, man.
01:02:50.000 He's adult entertainment.
01:02:51.000 All right.
01:02:51.000 So, Foldon, let's get some things straight.
01:02:53.000 Okay.
01:02:54.000 Or, Ben, either is fine with me.
01:02:56.000 But what that first ever shoot out the back of the porn studio that you did for your first fee was a bag of meth.
01:03:02.000 I mean, I love those skills, man.
01:03:05.000 Like, you're in the dark economy right there.
01:03:07.000 Like, I one time did a gig.
01:03:08.000 They did give me money, but they might as well have straight away given me the drugs because that's where it's going.
01:03:12.000 For me, money is very transient back then.
01:03:14.000 $500, like, you know, it's just in my hands.
01:03:16.000 So, quickly, give me those drugs.
01:03:18.000 Where you're like, cut out a middleman.
01:03:19.000 You'd be better off in a barter economy.
01:03:20.000 So, I know what he's saying, man.
01:03:22.000 So, listen, what did you shoot there?
01:03:25.000 And was it photos, stills, or video?
01:03:27.000 And describe the act, but be sensitive to make sure you don't miss anything out because I'm like, I'm really into this stuff.
01:03:36.000 I did the box cover.
01:03:37.000 Back in the day when it was VHS, they had the little pictures on the back that would sell you.
01:03:40.000 Oh, so you know, you're going to see this.
01:03:41.000 Oh, so you know, you're going to see this.
01:03:42.000 You go in there and you look on the back and you're like, oh my God, I like all these scenes.
01:03:46.000 And then essentially it was, you know.
01:03:50.000 Oh!
01:03:51.000 Oh!
01:03:51.000 The hand motion.
01:03:53.000 The hat, yeah.
01:03:53.000 Fair enough, Sean.
01:03:54.000 I mean, sometimes.
01:03:55.000 Pterodactyl.
01:03:58.000 Sometimes I envy my gay brothers.
01:04:01.000 It was amazing.
01:04:02.000 It's like they can have a real good time out there.
01:04:04.000 If you're a straight person trying to make ends meet, it can be, you know, you've really got to use your imagination.
01:04:09.000 But like, so, all right, so one of your first shoots was gay porn stills.
01:04:13.000 And then what happens after that?
01:04:16.000 Straight porn.
01:04:17.000 Is that a progression or in porn?
01:04:19.000 Is that considered progress or relegation?
01:04:22.000 Well, the lady that the nice lady that owned the porn company, her husband at the time was in the band Orgy.
01:04:30.000 He was the drummer of Orgy, the band.
01:04:33.000 So then that kind of helped me with my, you know, spreading my wings, so to speak.
01:04:37.000 Yeah, I mean, pterodactyl wings.
01:04:39.000 Pterodactyls, yeah.
01:04:40.000 So like Sean, so you went from Sean, Sean, you went from porn and then to Weezer.
01:04:47.000 The job for which you were born.
01:04:48.000 I mean, I don't know.
01:04:49.000 It doesn't necessarily work as a rhyme.
01:04:50.000 But what I want to say is, how did you get from shooting that porn to shooting, like, because of this lady, the person, not from corn, but from orgy?
01:04:58.000 That's how it happened, is it?
01:04:59.000 So I just got a call from a magazine, Alternative Press, to shoot Weezer, which is the first page, 2001.
01:05:05.000 My son was just born.
01:05:07.000 And I didn't know what I was going to do, and my assistant and I were out back drinking beers, and then they called and said, you were doing a 2001 Odyssey space thing, and I made a little fake UFO, and they came over and they liked me, and then they Held on to me for the next 25 years.
01:05:21.000 Oh, wow.
01:05:21.000 She was shooting them a bunch.
01:05:22.000 I like Weezer.
01:05:23.000 Goodbye.
01:05:24.000 Amazing people, amazing guys.
01:05:25.000 What do you mean?
01:05:26.000 Tell me.
01:05:26.000 What do you mean by that?
01:05:27.000 Which part?
01:05:28.000 Why were they amazing?
01:05:29.000 Well, I like them because I won't bust their anonymity, but I have some sobriety connections with that.
01:05:37.000 Yeah, they have two.
01:05:39.000 There's one story actually just came to light.
01:05:41.000 I was at dinner with one of the guys not long ago and he realized that we went to a meeting together and he said, What's your sobriety date?
01:05:49.000 And I said, 5 9 11.
01:05:52.000 He goes, You were fucked up when you were shooting us before.
01:05:56.000 There's one shoot where we were doing the Red Album.
01:05:59.000 This is because I'm sure you can relate.
01:06:01.000 When you're sometimes in a just super fucked up and whacked out, some of your best stuff comes out of it.
01:06:07.000 And I was going to the shoot, and there were all the motorhomes down at Zuma Beach.
01:06:10.000 And we had this two day shoot.
01:06:13.000 And I pulled up with my then girlfriend at the time, and I'd been up for like four days.
01:06:17.000 And we got to the top of the hill, and I said, I can't fucking do this.
01:06:19.000 I can't.
01:06:20.000 I can't.
01:06:20.000 I'm going home.
01:06:21.000 I can't do it.
01:06:21.000 And she looked at me and said, You got to do this.
01:06:23.000 Shoot.
01:06:24.000 It was the best shoot we ever did.
01:06:26.000 Ever.
01:06:26.000 For two days.
01:06:27.000 And so.
01:06:27.000 Did it feel good while you were doing it?
01:06:29.000 And how did you cross that barrier from, I'm not able to do this to doing it?
01:06:33.000 It's just like a mental switch where I'm like, I'm going to go home and I don't care who I hurt in this moment.
01:06:39.000 And two, okay, I can do this.
01:06:41.000 I'm on autopilot.
01:06:43.000 And we just did it.
01:06:45.000 You must have had some things go wrong, though, because, as a person, most of my professional life happened after I stopped taking drugs.
01:06:52.000 I think because while I was taking drugs, people wouldn't work with me because I was on drugs and crazy.
01:06:59.000 But nevertheless, I was still in some ways a bit of a twerp, to put it mildly and lightly.
01:07:04.000 And I do remember sometimes I couldn't wrestle my mind.
01:07:07.000 And even when I was using, like, I could have gotten successful a lot earlier because people.
01:07:12.000 Saw that I had a commodifiable quality, i.e., I can do stuff that you can get paid money for, huh?
01:07:18.000 So, but like I kept being so crazy that people were like, this guy ain't worth the aggravation.
01:07:23.000 Like at MTV, I'd worked for MTV long before all the money stuff happened because they had to keep sacking me because I dressed up crazy.
01:07:29.000 I jumped on people's cars.
01:07:30.000 I was a lunatic, actually, in lots and lots of ways that I've always been very clear about.
01:07:34.000 So, were you ever able to, can you remember times, Sean, where you weren't able to marshal your crazy emotions and inner life into compliance, where it was just like it folded in on you and you messed up?
01:07:46.000 It folded it on me in many forms, but I think it reached a point where I ruined my marriage, disrespected my clients, didn't show up for shoots.
01:07:56.000 Yeah.
01:07:57.000 And to the point where it was a dark time.
01:08:01.000 To the point where I was almost homeless, and then I had some good friends bring me Panda Express every day, and I put myself in rehab for the first time, and then eventually got sober after several tries.
01:08:13.000 I loved talking about the steps because that's what got me sober.
01:08:16.000 I lived in a garage.
01:08:17.000 Spending off people, dry rubbing, pleasuring themselves all night in a garage for five months, barricading myself on a cot with a motorcycle.
01:08:25.000 That was the best time of my life, you know.
01:08:27.000 And we had, we lived in this house.
01:08:29.000 I don't know about that, Sean.
01:08:31.000 I mean, the dry rubbing alone.
01:08:33.000 Yeah, it was terrifying, but at the same time, we worked steps together in that garage with homeless people and people getting out of prison.
01:08:41.000 And we gave chips for steps instead of time.
01:08:45.000 And it became like a really popular place and the best time of my life.
01:08:48.000 Did it?
01:08:48.000 Where was that?
01:08:49.000 It was in Chatsworth, California, in the valley.
01:08:52.000 It's called Plan C. Plan C. Plan B didn't even work.
01:08:55.000 Plan B didn't work.
01:08:57.000 Yeah, that sounds like a good place.
01:08:59.000 I do.
01:09:00.000 I recognize that you find God here in poverty.
01:09:05.000 You find God in desperation.
01:09:08.000 You find God in brokenness and broken people.
01:09:11.000 Yeah, I think for me, you know, God's a weird thing for me because I was an altar boy and I remember that period of time.
01:09:19.000 Oh, no.
01:09:19.000 Did you get abused?
01:09:20.000 I don't know.
01:09:21.000 My mom asked me recently.
01:09:22.000 That's so annoying.
01:09:23.000 I was a little boy and I was abused.
01:09:25.000 It's like, oh, fuck.
01:09:26.000 I'm fucking ill, man.
01:09:27.000 Stop having sex with children.
01:09:28.000 It's undermining the rest of the religion.
01:09:31.000 You know what?
01:09:32.000 The most disturbing part of that time of my life is the priest's name was Father Blewett.
01:09:38.000 That don't look good.
01:09:39.000 That's not going to look good on the charge sheet.
01:09:41.000 So my mom just asked me.
01:09:43.000 Let's see if there's any corroborating contemporaneous accounts.
01:09:46.000 Oh, wait.
01:09:47.000 Father Blewett.
01:09:48.000 No.
01:09:48.000 Book him.
01:09:50.000 Yeah.
01:09:51.000 Yeah.
01:09:51.000 My mom just asked me about him recently.
01:09:53.000 She goes, Did Father Blewett ever touch you?
01:09:54.000 And I go, I don't remember anything.
01:09:56.000 Do you think there is such a thing as repressed memories like that?
01:09:58.000 Yes.
01:09:59.000 I don't want them to come up.
01:10:00.000 It's not a good time.
01:10:01.000 Maybe that's She Legit.
01:10:03.000 Try it.
01:10:04.000 Dude, hit me.
01:10:04.000 Can you hit me with some blue stuff real quick?
01:10:06.000 Absolutely.
01:10:06.000 Let's do both.
01:10:08.000 Let's do it.
01:10:09.000 Let's do one She Legit.
01:10:11.000 That's just to soften us up.
01:10:13.000 That's like, this is doing brown and white together.
01:10:15.000 Should we snort it?
01:10:16.000 No, don't snort it, Sean.
01:10:17.000 That's old behavior.
01:10:18.000 It's not old behavior if you're still doing it, kids.
01:10:20.000 Didn't I snort coffee recently?
01:10:23.000 Tyler's like, yeah, he did.
01:10:24.000 He did that.
01:10:25.000 It's not good, Sean, to do these things.
01:10:28.000 Let's just take our She Legits like gentlemen.
01:10:32.000 What about in my country?
01:10:34.000 In the old, you want some water?
01:10:36.000 No, no, I want the blue stuff.
01:10:37.000 I'm getting that.
01:10:38.000 Now, like in the old days in my country and yours, you could get cocaine and heroin, laudanum, I think they called it, nicely in harrods with nice calligraphy on it.
01:10:48.000 Victorian Britain, you know, before cocaine, before they made it illegal and before they made opioids illegal, it was a happy, simple time.
01:10:55.000 And you could do, well, it wouldn't have been it for me.
01:10:57.000 The thing is, I'm not good at limiting indulgence, huh?
01:11:02.000 I like a strong inflow of stimulation continually.
01:11:07.000 And everything else seems.
01:11:08.000 Pretty boring, actually.
01:11:09.000 I mean, like, let's have the almighty love of God.
01:11:11.000 I've got no choice but to have the almighty love of God.
01:11:14.000 When I say God, I don't mean, you know, like, anyway, dear old Father Blewett, as far as we can tell, he's innocent.
01:11:20.000 Certainly innocent until proven guilty.
01:11:21.000 I mean, he's not a helpful name that the guy's got, but as far as we know, he ain't done nothing wrong.
01:11:25.000 So, let's just, the innocence of dear Father Blewett.
01:11:29.000 Let's presume the innocence.
01:11:31.000 Anyway, though, when I'm talking about God, I'm not necessarily talking about the institution or the delivery systems of our Lord in the same way as with this Mepheline Blue, the bottle and the dropper.
01:11:40.000 Ain't what's fundamentally important.
01:11:41.000 What's important is its ability to get into the mitochondria, to regenerate energy and power.
01:11:46.000 See, you are made by God, you are a participant in eternity.
01:11:49.000 Even if you were an atheist, you would see that because 13.8 billion years ago, as they claim, there was an explosion and all the rules of reality, thermonuclear dynamics, electromagnetism, love, rainbows, etc., all unfolded from that submolecular particle 13.8 billion years ago.
01:12:05.000 And that's a kind of oneness, anyway.
01:12:07.000 Now, the only thing we're really discussing is whether, as our guest Christy explained, Do you believe that that happened as a result of chaos or has it happened as a result of an author?
01:12:15.000 If you believe it's the result of chaos, then you can undergird human power much more easily.
01:12:19.000 Because if it's chaos, then power belongs to the person that just can exhibit the traits of power, i.e., I can control you with violence, which is basically what government is.
01:12:28.000 Even if it's a simple thing, not paying a parking ticket, if you push that for long enough, don't pay it, violence is happening.
01:12:34.000 So what I'm saying is that once you believe in God, we're not saying the institutions or the buildings or even the liturgy or the sacraments, even though all those things are very beautiful in their own way.
01:12:43.000 We're saying, how do we access this divine power that is our birthright, that we were made for, that He came for and died to instantiate a new frequency that we can access here in the present?
01:12:55.000 Where else but the present would you access God?
01:12:57.000 That is His metier.
01:12:58.000 He is I aming, as one of our guests helped us to understand.
01:13:01.000 It's here in the present moment.
01:13:03.000 Now, what they try to do is they put you in the past with trauma, or they put you in the future with desire.
01:13:07.000 Then you don't have access to the portal of your interpersonal power.
01:13:10.000 Another way that can happen is if you collapse your identity in something other than Him.
01:13:15.000 I'm English, I'm white, I'm black.
01:13:17.000 I'm gay, I'm this, I'm that.
01:13:18.000 None of those things are going to serve you because what you really are is dead already, except for the aspect of you that is eternal.
01:13:25.000 Now, what we have to do is make sure that this eternal aspect of our nature becomes prioritized, and that might require for some of us abstinence.
01:13:31.000 You know, like me and you, we need abstinence because we're not capable of judging things correctly.
01:13:36.000 Now, all I ask of you, my beautiful friend, is that you take a good shot, a good