Stay Free - Russel Brand - August 29, 2026


Sunday Service 17


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00:00:12.000 It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood.
00:00:14.000 A beautiful day for a neighbor.
00:00:16.000 Would you be mine?
00:00:18.000 Could you be mine?
00:00:21.000 It's a neighborly day in this beauty.
00:00:23.000 Would a neighborly day for a beauty.
00:00:26.000 Would you be mine?
00:00:28.000 Could you be mine?
00:00:30.000 I always wanted to have a neighbor just like this emotional.
00:00:35.000 I always wanted to live in.
00:00:38.000 Welcome to Sunday Service with the Brands.
00:00:52.000 I wonder if we should actually make that music a bit more.
00:00:55.000 I think it should have something in it that's a bit more like postmodern or some sort of reference to itself.
00:01:03.000 Because now we promote this.
00:01:05.000 Hello, thanks for joining us for Sunday service.
00:01:07.000 Good morning.
00:01:08.000 Good morning.
00:01:08.000 Happy Sunday.
00:01:09.000 Shall we start with a prayer, then we'll go into it?
00:01:11.000 Yeah.
00:01:11.000 Will you pray for us then, Lord?
00:01:14.000 Dear God, thank you.
00:01:16.000 Thank you, Father, for being with us here today.
00:01:19.000 Thank you for the sort of.
00:01:24.000 Softness and beauty that that song, I'm sure, might bring to many of us listening to it.
00:01:32.000 That Mr. Rogers and all of the values, the good values, the fruits of the spirit, in fact, that came through him, that individual that was doing so much good.
00:01:47.000 And I hope that we can practice those in our everyday, even if it's just for today.
00:01:58.000 Each day at a time, work on those the kindness, the patience, the joy, the care for one another, the neighborliness.
00:02:08.000 If we can just do one thing today that seems like and feels and is actually God, and is in your eyes just the one, the goodness, the thank yous, the gratitude, and the good neighborliness to one another.
00:02:24.000 In your creation, God, thank you for all that you bring to our life.
00:02:28.000 Thank you for.
00:02:29.000 The listeners here today of Sunday service for my husband and for this space that we are granted by you, Jesus Christ, in order that we may speak freely, openly, and always.
00:02:44.000 I really pray to continue with authenticity, so really that we speak from our hearts.
00:02:50.000 That's been my prayer recently just to be truthful, just be truthful and honest.
00:02:54.000 And thank you.
00:02:57.000 Thank you for our marriage.
00:02:59.000 Thank you for our Sunday service.
00:03:00.000 Amen.
00:03:03.000 Hello, welcome to Sunday's Service with the Brands.
00:03:05.000 We're going to talk some about Mr. Rogers.
00:03:07.000 Yeah.
00:03:08.000 And what I was in your prayer thinking about is this.
00:03:14.000 Yeah.
00:03:15.000 There is a truth.
00:03:16.000 Our Lord says, I am the truth, the life, and the way.
00:03:19.000 There is a truth.
00:03:23.000 There may be different ways some people may think of reaching the truth.
00:03:29.000 Here's an example of why people may feel that.
00:03:34.000 When I was learning as much as I was able about some aspects of Buddhism, I remember hearing this beautiful phrase put down the corpse.
00:03:44.000 And what put down the corpse meant is imagine that your body, Russell, is already dead because it will be dead.
00:03:52.000 So imagine it's already dead and stop dragging it through the day trying to get pleasure.
00:03:57.000 Oh, no, I want pleasure on the body.
00:04:00.000 I want accolade.
00:04:02.000 I want attention on the body.
00:04:04.000 Put down the corpse.
00:04:06.000 Marcus Aurelius, the Stoic. Philosopher and politician said, Your life is over.
00:04:15.000 You are dead.
00:04:16.000 Now live the rest of it properly.
00:04:19.000 And St. Paul says in Galatians, I died on the cross with Christ, and it is Him that is reborn in me.
00:04:29.000 And this is an important passage in Galatians where he seems to have, in the preceding instance, been saying, Laws, rules, regulations aren't what's going to get you there.
00:04:39.000 Only Christ is going to get you there.
00:04:41.000 There's a brilliant C.S. Lewis quote the Stoic's error, the Stoic means the person that believes in Stoicism.
00:04:48.000 Stoic conversationally and colloquially has come to mean a Stoic position means that you're not impacted by what is around you.
00:04:56.000 You're able to maintain your connection with God or whatever it is that Stoics, a set of principles or values.
00:05:02.000 But as Jordan Peterson would say, once you say that there are a set of absolute values and principles, that is essentially your God.
00:05:10.000 If you say, my God is family or my God is health, you're essentially saying there's a God, there's a principle that you're returning to.
00:05:18.000 My God is I love animals, or my God is I believe in God, or my God is I believe in science.
00:05:22.000 All of that.
00:05:23.000 Is a type of God.
00:05:26.000 C.S. Lewis says, the Stoic's error is to assume that what you can do sometimes, you can do always.
00:05:33.000 Why I love Mr. Rogers, and why I think Mr. Rogers is a good place for us to start, Laura, is in the movie, the Tom Hanks movie about Mr. Rogers, which I guess is called.
00:05:42.000 A Beautiful Day in the Neighbourhood.
00:05:43.000 Is that what it's called?
00:05:43.000 It's not called Won't You Be My Neighbour?
00:05:45.000 I think it's called A Beautiful Day in the Neighbourhood.
00:05:47.000 Starring Tom Hanks.
00:05:47.000 Yes, I think.
00:05:49.000 You do what you want in the comments.
00:05:51.000 But like, over here, what I think is that I'm.
00:05:54.000 He does such a wonderful job of rendering Mr. Rogers, and the film amounts to the film charts the.
00:06:01.000 It's probably based on an article written in Esquire where a Esquire journalist is given the task of doing a small puff piece on Mr. Rogers.
00:06:09.000 He's a cynical, skeptical guy, the journalist played by Matthew Reese brilliantly.
00:06:15.000 And it therefore becomes an encounter between someone whose values are held by the culture, i.e., if we work for a cool magazine and if we get married and have kids and if we just try and be a good person based on our own principles.
00:06:28.000 You know, we'll be okay.
00:06:29.000 And Mr. Rogers, who it seems, on the basis of what we see in the film and in subsequent material that I've watched, notably the documentary, which might be called Won't Be One of These Things, might be called Won't You Be My Name.
00:06:40.000 I think it is called that, yeah.
00:06:41.000 Like that's an exploration of the life of Mr. Rogers.
00:06:44.000 If you try and live like that, it's essentially not letting go of Christ's hand at any point.
00:06:51.000 Stay with Christ at all times, even and especially when the culture provokes you, when people say, I think you're weird.
00:06:58.000 I don't believe you.
00:07:00.000 And the film is great because it, Dramatizes that encounter.
00:07:04.000 The person that's essentially come off it.
00:07:08.000 You know, one's that nice.
00:07:10.000 Someone that's like, I'm just trying to be as God made me while not letting go of his hand.
00:07:16.000 The documentary explores the rumors about Mr. Rogers.
00:07:19.000 Was he a Navy SEAL?
00:07:20.000 Was he a homosexual? 0.68
00:07:22.000 What was he?
00:07:23.000 But when you watch this material collectively as a follower of Christ, what I'm left with is he is able, under unbelievable pressure, to stay true to his.
00:07:36.000 Connection with Christ, which is all that any of us are asked to do, is like, do you believe that God came to earth, lived a human life, and that somehow his death on the cross and resurrection is able to neutralize the problem of sin?
00:07:50.000 And what do we mean by sin?
00:07:51.000 We don't just mean vice, like, see, we mean by sin, I mean by sin, putting self ahead of God and using self as the agent of brokerage in your life.
00:08:03.000 Now, this is why it's interesting because it means that.
00:08:06.000 You can be selfish in a number of ways.
00:08:08.000 It's not just, you know, for people like me, it's really obvious when I'm selfish because my selfishness was so vivid and brightly coloured.
00:08:15.000 Look, he's drunk when he shouldn't be.
00:08:17.000 Look, he's taking drugs when he shouldn't be. 0.98
00:08:18.000 Look, all this guy cares about is screwing around and himself and his own vanity and ego. 0.61
00:08:23.000 It's so obvious that it's like the light bulb moment is going to be similarly obvious.
00:08:28.000 But other people aren't living in such an obvious way.
00:08:31.000 They're just quietly, creepily making themselves the centre of the galaxy, trying to control you, trying to control reality.
00:08:37.000 Like it says in the brilliant AA book, the AA big book, our actor in trying to be in control of every element of the production, the ballet, the lights, the set, may be kind and patient and tolerant and quite virtuous, or he might be mean and egocentric.
00:08:52.000 But as with most human beings, he's likely to have a variety of traits.
00:08:55.000 The point being that even if a person presents as kind, unless their intention is the service of God and the service of love, certainly something bigger than self, then they are actually just trying to run their own little environment.
00:09:07.000 And that's been very relevant for us this week, those kind of ideas.
00:09:10.000 It has.
00:09:12.000 We watched the film for the second time, actually.
00:09:14.000 We've seen it already.
00:09:15.000 And it was poignant.
00:09:17.000 And, you know, it really brings, you know, it brings tears, doesn't it?
00:09:21.000 Because it's got moments that I'm sure resonate.
00:09:24.000 There's the parental thing on the Lloyd Vogel character's part where it's like, you know, Mr. Rogers ends up bringing together the journalist, but really gives the journalist a different perspective.
00:09:37.000 But it wasn't easy necessarily.
00:09:39.000 It wasn't just like, this person's an easy person to work with.
00:09:43.000 You know, it's the perseverance of Mr. Rogers with this individual who would be almost a stubbornness, yeah.
00:09:49.000 And almost in a way, you might say that it's like Mr. Rogers noticed the sort of unlovable side of people and then really went into it.
00:09:59.000 And actually, Russell's been watching the documentary around it.
00:10:05.000 And I actually had this book already, which is actually our microphones are doing different things.
00:10:10.000 I just want to point out yours is green and flashing and mine isn't.
00:10:13.000 I just want to point out that difference and see if that difference is in any way significant.
00:10:17.000 Oh, great.
00:10:17.000 Thanks.
00:10:18.000 So, and actually, last year for my birthday, Russell had bought me this book, and it's actually a psychology book by a doctor on Mr. Rogers.
00:10:26.000 It's called The Mr. Rogers Effect Seven Secrets to Bringing Out the Best in Yourself.
00:10:29.000 And I was thinking about this morning how all of the really, all of these things are godly qualities, really, all his qualities that they're analysing.
00:10:39.000 Go on.
00:10:40.000 How does the book handle that?
00:10:42.000 Because I wonder, my suspicion is that this book is an attempt to secularise and psychologise something that was essentially and fundamentally.
00:10:51.000 Christian, that Mr. Rogers was an ordained Christian minister who never mentioned the fact to his audience, but everything he did was coming from his direct contact with Christ.
00:11:01.000 As a Christian, that is obvious and plain.
00:11:04.000 And it fascinates me that the culture wants to somehow mobilize around secularizing and therefore desacralizing Christ and Christianity.
00:11:14.000 An obvious example of that would be Elon Musk, no disrespect to this powerful man, Elon Musk saying, I like Christian values.
00:11:22.000 Architecture, culture, or Dawkins, Richard Dawkins, the famous biologist and evolutionary biologist, saying, Well, I acknowledge now Christian culture has brought a lot of fruit.
00:11:33.000 You can't extrapolate and you can't extricate. 0.85
00:11:36.000 You can't do that.
00:11:37.000 Even though within the church and myriad varieties of Christian church, some people will say, Without the sacraments in this way, you're finished.
00:11:45.000 And other people will say that that institution, the Holy Catholic Church, is too compromised by its past.
00:11:53.000 At least there is an acknowledgement that Christ is.
00:11:55.000 King and what he is doing in each of our hearts and collectively is the determining factor for how our resolution of our cultural and geopolitical problems.
00:12:04.000 Having said that, I just was on the phone with a mate of mine, beloved Joe, and his mate Nav, who's a Muslim, and I made clear the point we are not going to achieve social and cultural change until Muslims, I'm talking about the UK especially, Muslims and Christians and non Christians come together in peace and harmony over what the deal is.
00:12:27.000 So that's a bit of a side note. 0.83
00:12:28.000 I talked a lot there.
00:12:29.000 Please.
00:12:29.000 I'm sorry.
00:12:30.000 It's okay.
00:12:31.000 I'm practicing.
00:12:32.000 What am I practicing here?
00:12:33.000 Pause and think.
00:12:34.000 No.
00:12:35.000 Okay.
00:12:35.000 So listen first.
00:12:36.000 So, these are the qualities that they've put it down to.
00:12:40.000 And actually, the reason I'm saying, really, the reason I'm bringing this up with the very knowledge that we would say, well, where is the Christ?
00:12:48.000 Where is she mentioning that?
00:12:49.000 She might have, actually.
00:12:50.000 She might have mentioned somewhere in this that he's an ordained minister.
00:12:55.000 Yeah, which I didn't know.
00:12:56.000 But it's not, it's absolutely present.
00:13:01.000 It's totally present.
00:13:02.000 When we watch that film, whether it's Tom Hanks playing him or whether it's the documentary and you see clips, Or whether it's when you watch it with your children, which I did, I showed them an episode yesterday, the show, and how could you not?
00:13:14.000 I felt so nourished.
00:13:15.000 I felt so nourished by it.
00:13:17.000 The kids loved it, no matter that it was a different era, the long pauses, the silences, the consideration over points.
00:13:25.000 One of our children, very strong reaction to King Friday.
00:13:31.000 Well, King Friday was baked or given some cookies by the postman, Mr. McFeely, and King Friday said, Put them over there, people can help themselves.
00:13:40.000 And our daughter Peggy went, You know, he's not acknowledging the cookies.
00:13:44.000 He's not receiving them.
00:13:45.000 And she was like, I hate King Friday.
00:13:48.000 Did she eventually curse?
00:13:49.000 She said, F King Friday is what she said.
00:13:52.000 She didn't say F. 0.85
00:13:53.000 She didn't say your girl. 0.90
00:13:53.000 She said the full expected. 0.90
00:13:56.000 And then she says, I can't believe it.
00:13:57.000 I can't believe he didn't acknowledge and receive those cookies as he was meant to.
00:14:01.000 And that was a pretty funny moment.
00:14:03.000 But she was crying about these cookies and King Friday's lack of receiving of them.
00:14:07.000 Lack of gratitude, actually, is what it was.
00:14:09.000 And then he didn't even give them.
00:14:10.000 That's what the show was about, was it?
00:14:12.000 It was about that.
00:14:13.000 And I think that they were fortune cookies or something.
00:14:15.000 And it was like, let's watch and see how a fortune cookie is made.
00:14:19.000 And then they show you a clip and a video.
00:14:21.000 So there's that educational aspect.
00:14:23.000 Then he went and did this gorgeous piece off what do you call it when it's like off site?
00:14:28.000 A roaming piece outside broadcast with Eric Carl, who wrote The Hungry Caterpillar and all of those books.
00:14:37.000 And it was so beautiful and it was so considered and like pensive and respectful, is what I would say.
00:14:44.000 And it just was so.
00:14:46.000 Men relating to this method of painting and a seal and complementing each other but gently and giving each other space.
00:14:55.000 It was like everything was exercised in this one, like what was it, a five minute segment.
00:15:01.000 And we all felt extremely kind of inspired and nourished by watching it.
00:15:07.000 And the way that this lady breaks it down, I think what we could do is we can talk about, obviously, this relating exactly to the Bible.
00:15:15.000 I mean, God, you know, Jesus, I suppose, is.
00:15:18.000 You know, one, listening first, two, validating feelings, three, pausing and thinking, four, showing gratitude, five, develop empathy, six, practice acceptance, and seven, establish security.
00:15:29.000 What I think though, I mean, like not to sort of critique, well, actually, yes, to critique that, I think that this is an attempt, this book, to reapportion what he was doing into something that can extract, in fact, the essence and the most important thing.
00:15:45.000 Rather, and I think you've got to start with the essence.
00:15:47.000 It's essential because what you and our daughters felt.
00:15:51.000 When watching Mr. Rogers, yes, was what he intended you to feel.
00:15:56.000 But this was a person that at the time people may not have known it, yeah, was very deliberately trying to reach children with Christ.
00:16:05.000 By Christ, I mean love, kindness, connection.
00:16:09.000 Like he revered childhood, he revered it in the way that Christ does.
00:16:13.000 When Christ says, If anyone who wants to reach me, become as little children, Mr. Rogers was dealing with these children in that way.
00:16:20.000 Now, what and it made them the challenge, I think, for us is.
00:16:23.000 How do we, even when doing our humble podcast in a new way, in a new medium, in a new time, do the same thing?
00:16:32.000 Well, we're not trying to speak to children.
00:16:33.000 We're speaking, I suppose, in one way to anyone, in another way to married couples, in another way, people that have followed my career, in another way, people that may have looked at or read your books.
00:16:42.000 What we're trying to do, I think, what I'm trying to do is the words you said near the beginning of this authentic. 0.93
00:16:47.000 And authenticity here is not, is like, is the, Mr. Rogers was disgusted by what the culture was doing to children and how it saw them and how it treated them, making them morons, making them consumers, making them think too fast, making them afraid.
00:17:02.000 Making them, he said a very telling thing in the documentary that these TV shows have no regard for human dignity. 0.89
00:17:09.000 Human dignity.
00:17:10.000 He was interested in dignity.
00:17:11.000 Yeah, that's a very interesting point.
00:17:13.000 And actually, I think like what it led me to, what I was actually going to say was.
00:17:17.000 It's not that you can't say this about this book.
00:17:19.000 I'm just saying that I'm not arguing that point.
00:17:21.000 I'm breaking it down as to see what they're recognizing in the secular sense.
00:17:25.000 And then I'm saying, which I was going to continue on to say, is that when you say the word essence, which is the essence of Mr. Rogers, which is ultimately when we are.
00:17:37.000 When we talk about like the soul of a person, what we're talking about really is the essence of a person.
00:17:43.000 So, when I picked this book up this morning, the Henry Nouwen book, Life of the Beloved, I looked at this page, Blessed, right?
00:17:51.000 And this whole chapter talks about how to give someone a blessing is the most significant affirmation we can offer.
00:17:58.000 And what Mr. Rogers is doing is he's seeing the soul and he's seeing the essence of the person and he is blessing the person where they are.
00:18:08.000 Where they're at, right?
00:18:09.000 So, what it says here, which is what I wanted to read because I felt it related to this, was you know, I could just read this whole bit actually.
00:18:16.000 Let me tell you, let me first tell you what I mean.
00:18:20.000 I'm sure people watching this may know this.
00:18:22.000 We've talked about this book before, but Henry Nouwen, do you know much about him, by the way, Russell?
00:18:27.000 But he was a Catholic priest who dedicated his life to the care of disabled people and lived in a community where his primary duty was the care of one man, I think, with some sort of spastic condition, like serious cerebral palsy or MS, or it might be multiple sclerosis.
00:18:41.000 Wow. 0.67
00:18:41.000 Like he was bathing that guy and all of that. 0.67
00:18:43.000 That's what I know about him.
00:18:44.000 So, gosh.
00:18:45.000 So, he's a man who's done a lot of work on that sort of having to find within himself all of the things.
00:18:51.000 I mean, I'm only bringing these up because you're patience and listening and seeing the person for the essence of the person.
00:19:00.000 So, it says, let me tell you what I mean by the word blessing.
00:19:03.000 In Latin, to bless is benedicere.
00:19:07.000 Or maybe benedicere.
00:19:09.000 Benedicere.
00:19:11.000 Benedicere.
00:19:12.000 Depending on how you deal with that C.
00:19:15.000 The word benediction that is used in many churches means literally speaking well or saying good things of someone, saying good things of someone.
00:19:26.000 That speaks to me, Henry says.
00:19:28.000 I need to hear good things said of me, and I know how much you have the same need.
00:19:33.000 Nowadays, we often say we have to affirm each other.
00:19:36.000 Without affirmation, it's hard to live well.
00:19:38.000 To give someone a blessing is the most significant affirmation we can offer.
00:19:42.000 It is more than a word of praise or appreciation.
00:19:44.000 It is more than pointing out someone's talents or good deeds.
00:19:48.000 It is more than putting someone in the light.
00:19:51.000 To give a blessing is to affirm, to say yes to a person's belovedness.
00:19:56.000 And more than that, to give a blessing creates the reality of which it speaks.
00:20:00.000 It goes on.
00:20:02.000 I've highlighted a few bits.
00:20:03.000 A blessing goes beyond the distinction between admiration or condemnation, between virtues or vices, between good deeds or evil deeds.
00:20:11.000 A blessing touches the original goodness of the other and calls forth.
00:20:16.000 His or her belovedness.
00:20:18.000 And then the next page, the bit that I loved is this he talks about speaking to a woman.
00:20:25.000 And I believe, was he a pastor?
00:20:27.000 Was he a priest?
00:20:28.000 He was a priest.
00:20:28.000 Okay, so he's wearing robes, and I think he puts his arms around this lady, Janet, and he's got long robes on.
00:20:34.000 I think they cover her till she almost vanishes, he says, in the folds of the robe.
00:20:39.000 As we hold each other, I say to her, Janet, I want you to know that you are God's beloved daughter.
00:20:46.000 You are precious in God's eyes.
00:20:48.000 Your beautiful smile, your kindness to the people in your house, and all the good things you do show us what a beautiful human being you are.
00:20:56.000 I know you feel a little low these days and that there is sadness in your heart, but I want you to remember who you are.
00:21:02.000 A very special person, deeply loved by God and all the people who are here with you.
00:21:08.000 And then I just wrote a note on the side saying, speaking truth about a person's soul and a person's essence is how I feel when we see Mr. Rogers interacting and saying, I speak to the camera as if I'm speaking to you, an individual.
00:21:26.000 That is what's reaching out.
00:21:28.000 He did that.
00:21:30.000 He did that.
00:21:30.000 He did that.
00:21:31.000 And that's what you feel about that passage.
00:21:33.000 That is.
00:21:34.000 He made his work.
00:21:36.000 A blessing, yes, and that whoever was he says in the scripted movie, yeah, in the when acted by Tom Hanks, whatever's in front of him in that moment, that is God.
00:21:45.000 Now, this takes me to that brother Lawrence and Meister Eckhart practicing the presence of God.
00:21:51.000 That what is in front of you comes from God.
00:21:53.000 I don't want to go on a criminal trial in October, God wants you to go on a criminal trial in October.
00:21:59.000 God has blessed you with this trial, and you will, by His grace, experience what He wants you to experience in this moment.
00:22:07.000 This is what God wants me to deal with.
00:22:09.000 Now, I see that before you continue, especially if it's remotely tangential.
00:22:14.000 It's not.
00:22:16.000 When you read this first part of Henry Nouwen's description of what a blessing is, can I take you back to a very intimate moment in our recent marital life?
00:22:27.000 The moment where I'm experiencing my mother's been staying with us.
00:22:31.000 It's been a stormy time, an intense time.
00:22:34.000 Everything in our life feels thick, thick spiritual times.
00:22:36.000 Let us know in the comments and chat.
00:22:38.000 If this feels like a particular time, we speak.
00:22:40.000 Spoke recently about spiritual warfare versus just the consequences of your actions and many material and rational circumstances.
00:22:47.000 And spiritual warfare sort of suggests, as scripture does, that rebellion in the heavens precedes the fall of man.
00:22:55.000 For the serpent, in very commas, the dragon, Lucifer, the fallen seraphim to be present in the garden, what took place before?
00:23:01.000 We might get an idea of that if you read the book of Job or if you read the book of Enoch, the book of Job, of course, canon, book of Enoch, non canonical, except for in the Ethiopian Bible, both of which describe a kind of Game, gambit, or war in the spiritual realms and different characters and beings and figures.
00:23:18.000 And whether you're a literalist or whether you accept that the five fishing lines of the senses are probably limited in their ability to probe and breach the eternal mind of God, his ways are not our ways, his thoughts are not our thoughts.
00:23:32.000 The way we interpret and understand sensory information, visual information, energy, particularly when 90, I think 93% of the known universe is dark matter, dark energy, it doesn't mean it's literally dark.
00:23:43.000 It means it's indiscernible using the Amplifiers of human senses, telescopes, microscopes, amplifiers of human senses.
00:23:52.000 Now, to this point, then, is there a spiritual domain, an extrasensory realm, a realm of spiritual power that impacts and affects the lives of human beings? 0.79
00:24:02.000 The Christian perspective is most definitely yes.
00:24:04.000 In fact, that's what everything is founded on.
00:24:06.000 That's the essence.
00:24:08.000 Now, to this idea of blessing, whether we talk about the blessing that Mr. Rogers endows through his work, where he consciously and constantly tries to stay present with Christ, so whoever's watching him is receiving a message from Christ.
00:24:20.000 Or we're talking about this moment in our marriage where I say, I need to be seen by you.
00:24:25.000 I need you to see me, actual me.
00:24:28.000 This is what I'm doing.
00:24:29.000 I need you to bless what I'm saying I need.
00:24:32.000 Yes.
00:24:32.000 I need you to bless what I'm saying I need.
00:24:34.000 Now, that doesn't mean that I couldn't be wrong about what I think I'm here to do or what I think this is all about.
00:24:41.000 Of course, errors abound.
00:24:43.000 But do you see it?
00:24:46.000 Are you able to see that moment in the light of this person?
00:24:48.000 I do.
00:24:48.000 But also because I know how we relate with each other in a day to day and like the sort of feeling of, I think the thing that can be confusing is when you physically do a lot, like when you're the person, if you're looking after the home, if you're thinking and considering the meals, if you're considering the way to look after them, raise the children, if you're having prayer time, sometimes, and I'm speaking for myself, but I know that other women sometimes that I've spoken to can feel like this.
00:25:18.000 Sometimes you feel like that's saying it, that that is saying it, that you're doing, that you're acting.
00:25:23.000 The action is, the blessing is in the action of how you live and how you represent the person.
00:25:31.000 You know, how you represent the person's gift.
00:25:35.000 I guess this becomes a love language conversation, possibly.
00:25:40.000 So, in a love language conversation, if the person especially tells you, this is what I need, where does that take the conversation?
00:25:50.000 Then that, yeah, that needs to be considered.
00:25:52.000 That needs to be taken into account.
00:25:54.000 Like, oh, that person doesn't care that I'm doing that thing.
00:25:56.000 Not doesn't care, but that doesn't do that job.
00:25:59.000 Right.
00:25:59.000 Like, you know, like the job is so for, you know, so for it's not cryptic.
00:26:04.000 For me, In that moment, see, this is gosh, you can't be cryptic about this.
00:26:09.000 The challenges in our life to us feel so serious that nothing but God will work.
00:26:15.000 Now, where I meet God is in this, where I meet God, and thank the Lord, this is a continually evolving situation, is oh wow, everything that's happened to me and for me up till now has been you, Lord, leading me to this position.
00:26:28.000 In the same way, in fact, I've realized, as Paul says, in the mother's womb, I was the apostle to the Gentiles.
00:26:36.000 I feel like, wow, I misused my ability to establish intimacy in order to pursue personal pleasure. 0.64
00:26:45.000 That is, in my reckoning, a form of exploitation.
00:26:47.000 Now, I know there's been publicity when I've talked about exploitation that's had, in some ways, a sort of a negative inference.
00:26:54.000 But I see now that unless my life is lived on what you might call Mr. Rogers' level of awareness, like that means you take Christ's hand and then you don't let go of it.
00:27:08.000 And then you recognize there will be points where.
00:27:11.000 People are trying to pull you away, like the devil wants to sift you like wheat.
00:27:16.000 The devil, as it says.
00:27:17.000 Does it talk about in the documentary?
00:27:19.000 Because I know it does in the film.
00:27:21.000 The journalist asks him, How do you ever get angry?
00:27:25.000 What's your process?
00:27:27.000 And he says, Sorry, Joanne says, or his wife says something like, Oh, no.
00:27:34.000 Does he say, I hit the deep keys on the piano, I swim 50 lengths?
00:27:40.000 Documentary.
00:27:41.000 In the documentary, it's brilliant because the documentary's got a bit more scope to sort of look at the cultural Mr. Rogers, where there were rumors about like saying he was gay or whatever.
00:27:49.000 Right.
00:27:49.000 And what that centers around is he's a weird guy.
00:27:53.000 He's not a normal guy, like someone like Michael Jackson or dare I venture, me.
00:27:58.000 Right.
00:27:58.000 Bit not normal.
00:28:00.000 And if someone's not normal for whatever reason, then it might see, then the culture can do what it wants with that.
00:28:08.000 The culture can say, well, I think that the expressions of this weirdness will be A, B, C, or D.
00:28:12.000 But what Mr. Rogers was.
00:28:14.000 Yeah.
00:28:14.000 Was he had an unbelievable inclination towards God and he found out how to express that pretty early.
00:28:23.000 Yeah.
00:28:24.000 He obviously knew Christ from when he was a child.
00:28:26.000 It's amazing.
00:28:27.000 He was a strange and unusual boy, by all accounts.
00:28:29.000 He was bullied and was tubby and stuff like that.
00:28:31.000 He says that.
00:28:32.000 And he was in hospital a lot as a kid.
00:28:34.000 Like he'd had every disease going, they say.
00:28:37.000 But what that meant was he was able to receive what God showed him there.
00:28:41.000 Yeah.
00:28:41.000 Oh, I'm going to know really well how to deal with kids because I know what it is to be in that mental space in solitude alone as a kid.
00:28:48.000 I know it.
00:28:49.000 Okay, God, I will use that.
00:28:51.000 You can redeem that.
00:28:52.000 You know, a lot of people, Don't ever get redeemed because they never realize that the culture of the world is not going to give you the thing it promises you.
00:29:00.000 Like the devil will offer you, no, come this way.
00:29:03.000 It's not going to kill you.
00:29:04.000 It's actually going to make you more powerful than ever before.
00:29:06.000 But actually, when you get down that road, if you commit to it, that was a lie and it doesn't even do the thing it says it's going to do for you.
00:29:14.000 The same as all forms of addiction, being a good example.
00:29:17.000 Well, funnily, and just as I was just thinking to say, because when I was looking at the blessing paragraph and then thinking about how it relates to, Jesus, when it says speaking directly to, it says to a person's belovedness.
00:29:32.000 And then I looked up, like, how can we find a good reference for this in the Bible that's just exactly like this, you know?
00:29:38.000 And it says, Mark 1 11, you are my son, whom I love, with you I am well pleased.
00:29:45.000 And I thought that that is right.
00:29:47.000 It's the idea that, you know, in fact, in this blessing, Janet, I want you to know that you are God's beloved daughter, you know?
00:29:55.000 And actually, I noticed in prayer you said that with your mum as well.
00:29:57.000 I thought that was very beautiful, you know?
00:30:00.000 You referred to her, you know, God's daughter.
00:30:03.000 You said that.
00:30:04.000 And that was really, really lovely and meaningful.
00:30:07.000 And I think that can be quite an emotional thing because I don't think it's not every, I don't think we're always thinking like that all the time.
00:30:16.000 You know, I don't think that's like all the time we're thinking we're the children of God.
00:30:19.000 I don't think we're all the time thinking of it.
00:30:21.000 We're not thinking of it when we're doing X, Y, or Z. You know, we're thinking of ourselves as individuals in many ways.
00:30:29.000 Funnily enough, when I just looked at the back of this book, which I hadn't read before, This is going to really antagonize you.
00:30:35.000 It says here Imagine a world where these seven principles listening, validate, pause, and thinking, sharing gratitude, developing empathy, practicing acceptance, establishing security guide our interactions with each other.
00:30:46.000 Sound heavenly?
00:30:49.000 The funny thing is Well, maybe she is a Christian.
00:30:52.000 It says, Sound heavenly, neighborly.
00:30:53.000 It all starts with you.
00:30:54.000 It doesn't say any. 0.73
00:30:55.000 Oh, yeah, she is a Christian.
00:30:56.000 Yeah.
00:30:57.000 Christian counselors.
00:30:58.000 Okay, so. 1.00
00:30:58.000 I'll take it all back. 1.00
00:30:59.000 Take it all back.
00:31:00.000 But why is it not mentioned more?
00:31:02.000 Because she's doing, I suppose, what he did.
00:31:05.000 Like that, he didn't lead with it, he just put it there.
00:31:07.000 So, she's actually done something.
00:31:09.000 I actually am going to fully reverse my entire impression of that book.
00:31:13.000 Right.
00:31:14.000 And I'm going to do this.
00:31:15.000 I was wrong.
00:31:16.000 Like many times, I am wrong because I feel like I've been sort of honed for a particular type of confrontation where everyone tries to.
00:31:23.000 The reason people don't feel like they're daughters of God is because the world tells you that your value is derived from what you do here.
00:31:30.000 Yeah. 0.73
00:31:31.000 If you can't make money or, you know, do whatever it is the culture tells you should be doing, bag a man.
00:31:37.000 Look beautiful, then you ain't valuable. 0.76
00:31:40.000 And I'm in that war.
00:31:41.000 I'm in that war so much that I don't take the time sometimes to look at, oh, this one was doing exactly what Mr. Rogers did.
00:31:47.000 Mr. Rogers smuggled the message of Christ where he stands at the gates of hell at Cesara Philippi, where all of the other gods are, the television, and he does that job.
00:31:57.000 He makes it.
00:31:58.000 Now, this was the author?
00:32:00.000 Dr. Anita Knight Kuhnly. 1.00
00:32:03.000 Dr. Anita Knight Kuhnly is trying to do the same thing. 0.54
00:32:06.000 She's looked at the world of self help books.
00:32:09.000 Recognize that they're all trying to use Freudianism, 12 step stuff, whatever it is.
00:32:14.000 And she's gone.
00:32:16.000 I'm going to not lead with our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
00:32:19.000 Right.
00:32:21.000 Because actually, when I look at any page that I open, I haven't seen the word God once.
00:32:27.000 He doesn't say Jesus, though, does he, Mr. Rogers?
00:32:29.000 He doesn't say that.
00:32:30.000 But what I do see is this chapter five, develop empathy, be with people where they are.
00:32:35.000 And then it says, there isn't anyone you couldn't love once you've heard their story.
00:32:38.000 Sister Mary Lou Kownaki, director of Monasteries of the Heart.
00:32:42.000 So that says it, doesn't it, really?
00:32:44.000 Because you're right, she's leading us to it.
00:32:48.000 And then we're to make our own.
00:32:49.000 Because I was going to say, when you.
00:32:51.000 Read that list of qualities, and you think, Imagine if there was something you could do that you could.
00:32:56.000 Well, you would look at the commandments, you would read the Bible, you would read the stories of where Jesus performed miracles.
00:33:03.000 And what the culture is doing is it the culture is in a negotiation.
00:33:07.000 Yeah.
00:33:07.000 The world is in a negotiation with how, and what the world wants, what the culture wants.
00:33:12.000 When I say these things, I mean the government and the powers that undergo and are masked by government, i.e., deep state, NGOs.
00:33:21.000 Global, the WHO, the IMF, the World Bank, and things that even probably don't have a sigil in the world or a name in the world, because in the end, spiritual rebellion is first.
00:33:31.000 Yeah, it comes from a spiritual thing.
00:33:32.000 Now, what they try to do is in order to get maximum control, they will emulate and mimic the qualities and nature of God.
00:33:41.000 I mean, obviously, omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence.
00:33:44.000 But in order to do that, they will sometimes mimic the other characteristics of God, like truth or compassion.
00:33:50.000 We live in an age where the media lies to you all the time.
00:33:54.000 Big pharma companies that are meant to make medicines significantly and sufficiently prioritize profit to such a degree where they actually serve up medicines that are bad for you.
00:34:05.000 An obvious example being the recent discoveries that some of these cholesterol medicines are predicated on lowering the cholesterol below a healthy level so that people stay on a lifelong prescription of anti cholesterol medications leading to Alzheimer's.
00:34:18.000 Other examples are plainer, like the way the tobacco companies behaved until they no longer could.
00:34:24.000 I mean, the list is near endless.
00:34:29.000 Do you have anything that you can think to read from the Bible?
00:34:34.000 Yeah.
00:34:34.000 Okay, great.
00:34:35.000 Do you want me to do it now?
00:34:37.000 Yeah, because I think we should wrap up.
00:34:39.000 Yeah, you should probably.
00:34:42.000 This is St. Paul, Romans 8 14.
00:34:51.000 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
00:34:58.000 The Spirit you received. Does not make you slaves so that you live in fear again.
00:35:05.000 Rather, the spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.
00:35:12.000 And by him we cry, Abba, Father.
00:35:17.000 The spirit himself.
00:35:19.000 Are you thinking about Abba right now?
00:35:20.000 Be honest.
00:35:21.000 Are you thinking you were, weren't you?
00:35:23.000 You are, aren't you?
00:35:24.000 Did you envisage the four of them standing there?
00:35:27.000 Every time Abba is mentioned, I think about Abba.
00:35:30.000 Which song is it?
00:35:31.000 Dancing Queen, isn't it?
00:35:33.000 It's just more like a flash, an image, just an image, a sparkly image.
00:35:41.000 So it's the Aramaic word for father.
00:35:45.000 By him we cry.
00:35:46.000 I'm going to be watching your face while I say this.
00:35:49.000 And by him we cry.
00:35:53.000 Abba.
00:35:58.000 Father.
00:35:59.000 Yep.
00:36:00.000 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.
00:36:05.000 Now, if we are children, then we are heirs, heirs of God and co heirs with Christ.
00:36:12.000 If indeed we share in his sufferings, in order that we may also share in his glory.
00:36:21.000 Now it gets pretty good.
00:36:22.000 I mean, so we're like, we have this possibility, this potential to just be all beloved sons and daughters of God.
00:36:30.000 And therefore, if you have that, why are you going to want the culture to help us?
00:36:34.000 I did want to say this as well because, you know, you mentioned earlier, of course, we were not.
00:36:38.000 Raised in America.
00:36:40.000 So Mr. Rogers was, this is.
00:36:42.000 Yeah, we know nothing about him.
00:36:43.000 We know nothing from our own childhood.
00:36:45.000 This is what I will say PBS, the company that made Mr. Rogers, go on to make Sesame Street, which I would say is an attempt to secularize using liberalism as the compassion part of Christianity to diffuse the holy power of Christ.
00:37:02.000 Look, the power of Christ comes with duty and responsibility, and above all else, that yourself ain't the most important thing in the world.
00:37:09.000 Now, liberalism and socialism replace.
00:37:11.000 God with the state or a set of shared ideas, e.g., humanitarianism.
00:37:16.000 You can't do that.
00:37:17.000 You have to first acknowledge God.
00:37:19.000 He's like us.
00:37:20.000 If you don't bless Him with who He actually is, you are God, you are the Christ, then He can't help you.
00:37:26.000 Yeah.
00:37:27.000 I mean, but because that's the point.
00:37:30.000 The point is that you said that there was a time where it became sort of ridiculed and like actually, oh gosh, like I really hate that so much.
00:37:40.000 I don't really like TV that much anyway.
00:37:42.000 Yeah.
00:37:43.000 Yeah, so when I watched it with the kids yesterday, I thought, oh my gosh, we should be watching this every day.
00:37:47.000 This is amazing.
00:37:48.000 I love it so much.
00:37:49.000 And our kids really received it.
00:37:51.000 And actually, also, the reason I say this is I saw there was a girl wearing this great tie dye t shirt that looked a bit like your tie dye t shirt from your reborn one.
00:38:01.000 And on it, it said, This is the Jesus generation, right?
00:38:05.000 She was like a teenager.
00:38:06.000 It said something like Jesus generation.
00:38:08.000 And it was from, I think, Forrest Frank's tour currently or whatever it was.
00:38:12.000 And I thought about how I think. 0.84
00:38:16.000 Is it because of us being in America where it's all more free and all more sort of like that people speak more, I mean, Bible belts? 0.93
00:38:24.000 So is it because of that? 0.68
00:38:26.000 Or is it genuinely that people are coming to a place where it is more normalized now and more free to be the Jesus generation at 10 or 11 or 12? 0.56
00:38:37.000 Whereas before it was, it would be, and it still is, of course, pop culture, YouTubers, da da da.
00:38:44.000 But now it seems more important as to whether Taylor Swift is Christian or not Christian.
00:38:49.000 To us, anyway, it's like our kids talk about it all the time.
00:38:52.000 So, hold on, is she Christian or is she not?
00:38:54.000 How extraordinary that these pop stars that were born out of Christianity may find their way going back.
00:39:00.000 Exactly, that's my point.
00:39:02.000 Yeah.
00:39:03.000 Also, though, well, there are two differences.
00:39:05.000 One, I think what you're saying, yeah, there is a sort of a different type of Christian culture in America, but indeed, there is a Christian culture.
00:39:10.000 And I think some of our interest lately in the Holy Roman Catholic Church has been we don't want the culture, we want Christ. 0.54
00:39:20.000 Yes.
00:39:21.000 We want Christ.
00:39:22.000 Yeah.
00:39:22.000 You don't want faith in faith, as my guest on the podcast, you should check it out.
00:39:27.000 Nathan Affby said, excuse me, Apfel, Apfel, Nathan Apfel said, you want faith in God, not faith in your own faith in God, not your own version of God.
00:39:37.000 Now, what I think can happen, and I think what you and I are experiencing some is, oh, America has an American culture is unbelievable.
00:39:45.000 It's the most powerful cultural machine that's ever existed.
00:39:48.000 Obvious examples of that are some of the commercial enterprises, now notably the big American companies like Google or Apple.
00:39:55.000 That have interesting relationships, this own it with the government, or whether it's American cultural institutions such as Hollywood. 0.85
00:40:04.000 Now, Christianity, in a way, is no different.
00:40:06.000 I saw Nathan Apple saying that, like, Christianity is a trillion dollar industry.
00:40:11.000 Yeah.
00:40:12.000 So, I mean, because it's making it accessible for, to, to, because you have to put in the time to do a Bible study with your children for them to understand.
00:40:22.000 You pass them a Bible.
00:40:24.000 And you have to dedicate.
00:40:26.000 It has to be like, that's why the Sunday school idea is good, like the idea of a youth group and the learning and the teachings, because otherwise it does just become the paraphernalia.
00:40:35.000 It becomes the WWJD bracelets.
00:40:39.000 And, you know, what would Jesus do?
00:40:41.000 And t shirts emblazoned with messages and things.
00:40:44.000 But it is good that it's doing that because it somehow is, is it not?
00:40:49.000 No, it's not good that it's doing that.
00:40:51.000 Okay, because I'm thinking it's infusing, it's infusing the culture with.
00:40:56.000 The message.
00:40:57.000 It's not brand Jesus though.
00:40:59.000 No, no, no.
00:41:00.000 No, it's not brand Jesus.
00:41:01.000 And what it is is this is that each of us, I see it like this now, each of us is in the Garden of Eden right now.
00:41:09.000 Each of us could be walking with God in this garden where everything's cool and everything's provided.
00:41:14.000 And each of us is aware that we have to have a relationship with other people that are just like us.
00:41:19.000 And each of us is aware perhaps at some point there is a serpent, a temptation.
00:41:23.000 Now, this is happening in your psyche.
00:41:25.000 Even if you were watching it literally happen, a sort of a snake, dragon, entity, creature, being.
00:41:30.000 Yeah.
00:41:32.000 What you were watching in the outside world would be being interpreted via the senses, then it would be electromagnetic impulses in your brain, and then you would reinterpret in your psyche.
00:41:42.000 What I'm trying to say is, everything is happening in the plane of your consciousness, and the plane of your consciousness is the narrow gate, it is the living water that flows down from the throne.
00:41:53.000 So, each of us is in this garden, and each of us has temptation.
00:41:57.000 Your temptations are what you know them to be.
00:41:59.000 Is it temptation?
00:42:00.000 You know, I won't list your challenges, you can do that, but mine are.
00:42:04.000 So, mine are like Sesame Street.
00:42:07.000 They're like building bogs.
00:42:09.000 Oh, man, look at that. 1.00
00:42:10.000 That's attractive.
00:42:11.000 That would be nice.
00:42:12.000 We could kiss and cuddle.
00:42:13.000 Oh, then everyone will think I'm the most important guy in the world. 1.00
00:42:18.000 Mine are like for an idiot, like triangles being put through those, you know, when your kid puts sheds through a hole. 0.99
00:42:23.000 Now, am I able to recognize that the price of being with God is in obedience to this God? 1.00
00:42:31.000 And the challenge is the culture wants you to be obedient to it.
00:42:35.000 How does Paul handle that in Romans 13?
00:42:37.000 He says, Be obedient to the culture unless it directly contradicts God, right?
00:42:41.000 But I now say the whole culture directly contradicts God, almost as a point of principle. 0.96
00:42:49.000 But that is the point of it.
00:42:51.000 The culture exists in order to deny God, it's its function, it's its role.
00:42:55.000 Now, back to your question about churches, well, where on the spectrum is the needle?
00:43:01.000 Is it like America's amazing entrepreneurialism and ability for Zeal and evangelism that's made McDonald's the brand that it is, has made Warner Brothers the company that it is, has made the Harry Potter books written by a British woman, a Scottish woman, like you, my darling, become the cultural phenomena that it is.
00:43:21.000 What is the force?
00:43:23.000 Who does the grail serve?
00:43:24.000 Who are you moving towards?
00:43:26.000 Are you moving towards God or away from God? 0.68
00:43:28.000 And what I say is, and this is why the question of why be Catholic, do you just want to join that original church with all of its obvious problems?
00:43:39.000 Oh no, there was this big pitted pedophilia thing.
00:43:42.000 Oh, the money, the mob, the Nazis, whatever, you know.
00:43:46.000 And that many Catholics believe that the Vatican Council of 68 diluted its fundamental essence, and therefore you've got to be even more Catholic than that.
00:43:54.000 Go to SSPX.
00:43:57.000 Or do you go to a regular little church and see the same sort of things happening on a smaller scale?
00:44:04.000 Whether it's a mega church in Texas or whatever, or a small church somewhere where you start to notice that the personalities of the team are being lionized, or some drive to generate revenue, albeit for a good Purpose or a good cause, and he all gets a bit righteous gemstones or some version thereof.
00:44:20.000 Yeah.
00:44:21.000 So, unless we're all practicing it out in our.
00:44:23.000 That's what I was going to say.
00:44:24.000 I mean, I think that again, coming back to our main point of the show today, you're saying that Fred Rogers did not mention the fact that he was ordained, did not mention God, he never mentioned Jesus.
00:44:38.000 He privately, we know from the documentary and from the film that he just at night he prayed and he prayed all the names of all the people he believed.
00:44:47.000 He kept a book and he wrote the names down of people that he prayed for.
00:44:50.000 And he had his thing he did.
00:44:52.000 And in that private prayer, in the solitude of whatever it was, the world that he was in himself, whether it was the weirdness of his childhood, or whatever it's cultivated in his mind, he's cultivated enough of a Garden of Eden in himself that he's able to be it without having to be promotional, without having to promote it.
00:45:14.000 He doesn't have to promote it because he trusts Christ as well.
00:45:15.000 Exactly.
00:45:16.000 He walks with Christ.
00:45:17.000 He's like, I'll just be with you, Jesus.
00:45:19.000 Yeah.
00:45:20.000 And then you do.
00:45:21.000 What you're going to do with discipline.
00:45:23.000 I'm not going to tell people, no, I want you to interpret me this way.
00:45:26.000 Now, I don't have anything like that level of discipline, discipleship.
00:45:31.000 I'm not able to yoke myself to Christ so strongly that I can just sit there.
00:45:35.000 But Lord alone knows he's providing the trials.
00:45:38.000 Russell, I'm leaving you this way.
00:45:40.000 Now you're going to sit in the dock.
00:45:42.000 Now you're going to have people say these things.
00:45:44.000 Do you know what he said in that film?
00:45:46.000 And I know that this is the Tom Hanks version, but it really stayed with me because I thought, oh gosh, hold on, hold on.
00:45:52.000 You haven't.
00:45:52.000 Right, there's a moment where when he first meets the journalist in the studio, he says, What's happened to your nose?
00:45:59.000 And he's been in a fight with his father.
00:46:01.000 And he talks to him and he asks him pointed questions.
00:46:05.000 And then they go, Okay, Mr. Rogers.
00:46:07.000 They had said to the journalist, You have five minutes.
00:46:09.000 And he's like, What?
00:46:10.000 I only have five minutes?
00:46:11.000 Whatever.
00:46:12.000 So then they come over and they say, Okay, Mr. Okay, Fred, we need you now.
00:46:15.000 And the guy, Fred Rogers, doesn't then kind of go, Oh, I've not accomplished the thing I need to accomplish.
00:46:21.000 I've not broken through.
00:46:22.000 He just stands up and he says something like, Okay, well, it's been lovely meeting you.
00:46:27.000 And I hope you'll stick around.
00:46:29.000 And then he walks off, and I hope we'll stick around.
00:46:32.000 And it's like he doesn't even cling to the idea that he has to save the person.
00:46:36.000 That was the unbelievable thing.
00:46:37.000 Now I know that's the film version, but I bet he was later.
00:46:40.000 It was a dramatization of that.
00:46:41.000 That's what it's like.
00:46:42.000 Yeah, he doesn't cling.
00:46:43.000 It looks like at points in the future down the line, he had his own problems as he went into a kind of an elderhood.
00:46:48.000 As people started to look to him like 9 11, and they brought him out on the TV to handle 9 11 for everybody.
00:46:54.000 Oh, goodness me.
00:46:56.000 It looked like he started to wrestle with.
00:46:59.000 As he grew and as the world changed, how do I do this now?
00:47:04.000 Because, as she said, his wife, Joanne, don't say he's a saint.
00:47:08.000 It diminishes what he's doing.
00:47:09.000 He's a person like us, but that is saints.
00:47:13.000 With all the challenges, exactly.
00:47:15.000 Well, thank you for sharing the passages and for talking about this, because I know that this has been something you've really been thinking about a lot this week, and it's really good.
00:47:23.000 I have, yeah, but you've been watching the documentary.
00:47:25.000 I keep falling asleep.
00:47:26.000 But not because it's not good.
00:47:29.000 But because I don't like watching TV too late at night, that's all.
00:47:32.000 It's a beautiful day.
00:47:35.000 May I read a couple of comments and then can you close with a prayer, please?
00:47:38.000 Yeah.
00:47:39.000 Okay, so a couple of things.
00:47:44.000 This did make me laugh because I remember why this was at Kata Vases Vaseseski 1566.
00:47:51.000 I love how Laura looked into the camera at the beginning thinking, See what I have to put up with.
00:47:56.000 What was it?
00:47:57.000 It's because when I turned the cameras on last week, you started really playing and singing David Bowie.
00:48:02.000 And I thought that was just a one off with Chaz and Dave.
00:48:05.000 But I was like, Oh no, this is it now.
00:48:07.000 Okay.
00:48:07.000 Yeah.
00:48:08.000 This is music now at the beginning of the show.
00:48:10.000 So that was, I have to be cleared.
00:48:11.000 That was what that was.
00:48:13.000 At walk.
00:48:14.000 Walk in love underscore whatnot.
00:48:17.000 Whose well done are you looking for?
00:48:19.000 That's what we talked about last week.
00:48:20.000 Whose well done are you looking for?
00:48:22.000 This really stood out to me.
00:48:23.000 Coin it and spread it because this needs an audience.
00:48:26.000 Of course, I read it from the book Teaching from a Place of Rest, which was the book that we read a little bit of last week to do with homeschooling and really being in the home and work, you know, frankly, confronting that things don't always go that way.
00:48:41.000 And it always basically means that it's a God intervention, really, is basically what it was.
00:48:45.000 But, um, It goes on to say, when you're doing all the stuff and you're trying to impress the kids with this or that and you're trying to push yourselves to follow that curriculum, who's well done are you looking for?
00:48:55.000 But that applies to so many different things.
00:48:58.000 I'm sorry that I've cut the name off this one.
00:49:01.000 Somebody said this, and it's a very sweet comment, so I'm sorry about that.
00:49:06.000 I also forgot to mention that the very precious moment between you and Russell when he declares his love for you and vows to protect you.
00:49:13.000 This was very sweet and it brought me to tears.
00:49:15.000 That's very sweet.
00:49:16.000 I do remember that.
00:49:17.000 Thank you.
00:49:18.000 At Jackie Cole.
00:49:20.000 Hi, Laura and Russell.
00:49:21.000 Just want to say I really enjoy Sunday service.
00:49:23.000 I go to my local Baptist church on a Sunday, but love listening to you both on a Monday.
00:49:28.000 Don't like to focus too much on worldly things, but like Laura, love a gift shop.
00:49:32.000 Russell, where do you get your Brill Reborn tees and lovely prayer beads that you wear?
00:49:37.000 Love and prayers to you both and your family.
00:49:39.000 The prayer beads Russell was wearing last week were made by a friend of his.
00:49:42.000 So are these, Mark, my friend Mark.
00:49:44.000 Oh, yeah, he made both of them actually.
00:49:46.000 And where are your Reborn t shirts from, Russell?
00:49:49.000 They're on the website, Try Reborn.
00:49:51.000 That's where all of them things we do, like Mifflin Blue.
00:49:54.000 And actually, those t shirts are good at the moment.
00:49:56.000 Are they all available, those tie dye ones?
00:49:59.000 Yeah, you do.
00:50:00.000 Okay, tie dye, and there's this great army, you know, like those hunter print, when people go hunting and stuff, and there's that print camouflage.
00:50:08.000 Yeah, but it's not camouflage like British, UK camouflage.
00:50:11.000 It's the American guy.
00:50:11.000 It's the American guy's wear that fit in a thing.
00:50:13.000 It's really cool.
00:50:15.000 At last question, last comment.
00:50:16.000 At Jamie Myers79, Russell, which Bible do you read from?
00:50:20.000 Miss Brand, I do appreciate your direction.
00:50:23.000 Fill me in on the candles.
00:50:25.000 I don't know what she means by that.
00:50:27.000 Is that where are they from?
00:50:28.000 I don't know.
00:50:29.000 Right.
00:50:29.000 But I'll tell you everything I can.
00:50:31.000 Okay.
00:50:31.000 That's a new language translation.
00:50:34.000 That's King James.
00:50:36.000 If needed, we dive into Hebrew and Greek if it gets into the nitty gritty for me.
00:50:44.000 Over there is the books of Enoch, and there's an Ethiopian Bible.
00:50:47.000 There's Streams in the Desert.
00:50:48.000 There's Jesus Calling.
00:50:50.000 And there's the Fat Book by Rick S., which is a scriptural interpretation of the AA Big Book.
00:50:54.000 These are all good, good tools.
00:50:56.000 Yeah.
00:50:57.000 As for these candles, this is where I went to SSPX.
00:50:59.000 That means a St. Pius X Catholic Church.
00:51:02.000 And they were selling these.
00:51:03.000 And as you know, if you listen to me, I believe in this idea of a tessellation that if we had the senses but to see it, we would see and recognize a kind of a honeycomb structure that interconnects us and is beyond our personal identity.
00:51:17.000 Beyond our personal identity.
00:51:19.000 And consider then, would you say, all right, let's do this as a prayer.
00:51:21.000 Shall I wrap up?
00:51:22.000 I actually found the, it's called Ambrosian Candle Company, and they're made in Florida, actually.
00:51:27.000 Beeswax, so let's just mention that.
00:51:29.000 I was guessing why, then.
00:51:30.000 I really like the candles.
00:51:31.000 I feel like their mother candles maybe are toxic.
00:51:33.000 They are toxic.
00:51:34.000 Can I do this prayer?
00:51:34.000 Yes.
00:51:37.000 Oh, Lord God, thank you that me and Laura get to be in this marriage and get to be with you.
00:51:41.000 Thank you, God, that you came here as best as we can understand because of the limitations of the senses.
00:51:46.000 Oh, Lord, I see that it's an abyss.
00:51:48.000 Within a person is an abyss, not an abyss because an abyss suggests emptiness, a vortex because a vortex suggests energy.
00:51:55.000 And, oh, Lord, a sub molecular honeycomb cross, Lord, might be placed at every station, Lord, along the spine, along the line, along the pathway, the heavenly highway to Jerusalem, through Jerusalem, all the way to your throne, Lord, where the living water pours from, Lord, and on either side of the spine, Lord, of the highway, of the royal highway, our Father.
00:52:14.000 There is a tree.
00:52:15.000 There is the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and there is the tree of life.
00:52:18.000 Oh Lord, let us choose the tree of life.
00:52:20.000 Let us not be separated from you, our Almighty God.
00:52:23.000 Let us know what you would have us to do.
00:52:24.000 Let's pray only for this, Heavenly Father.
00:52:26.000 Even though we pray for intercession in the areas in our life that you know, Lord, and we ask St. Jude for your presence in those problems and that you would hear our prayer.
00:52:34.000 And Lord, all things are a subset in this divine honeycomb of you, our King, and in this metaphor system, like a queen bee around whom all the hive is ordered.
00:52:46.000 What is the language of Bees, Lord, that they know endocrinally or pheromonally what they must do and what their role is, and they know the presence of their Lord.
00:52:54.000 They know if the queen bee has left the hive or if the queen bee needs to change.
00:52:59.000 You, Lord, you are the perfect imprature, you are the insignia and sigil, you are the hieroglyph, you are the creator of the code, you are the emanator, you are the sun that shines and the rays that come from it.
00:53:10.000 Oh, Lord, help us reach the source, the holy source.
00:53:13.000 Let us know the true frequency that we may be truly faithful.
00:53:16.000 Let's walk.
00:53:18.000 Yoked to you in holy fidelity, recognizing the divine tessellation that there is a limitless geometry that transcends and runs through all language, like mathematics, like movement, like music, like the difference between a cacophony and a harmonious melody, Lord.
00:53:36.000 Let us be, let us walk on the stave that you have provided and play the notes, the tunes that you have given us.
00:53:43.000 Let us be your divine instrument as your St. Francis prayed.
00:53:47.000 Always, Lord, bring joy where there is sorrow.
00:53:50.000 Let us bring forgiveness where it is required.
00:53:53.000 And let us die unto ourselves, God, that you may live in us in eternal life, our Lord and King and Master Jesus Christ.
00:54:00.000 Amen.
00:54:01.000 Amen.
00:54:02.000 Thank you.
00:54:04.000 Nice.
00:54:05.000 There you go, dear.
00:54:09.000 I think it went quite well.
00:54:10.000 Thank you.
00:54:11.000 Yeah.
00:54:11.000 Didn't it?
00:54:12.000 It did.
00:54:13.000 Thank you.