00:01:00.000We've got a brilliant show coming up today.
00:01:02.000Tony Cho is going to be on the show talking to us about you know, how we're really interested in building communities instead of continually.
00:01:07.000Complaining about the institutional problems that we live within that are irresoluble because the system itself is designed to maintain these problems.
00:01:15.000Well, we're actually getting into some solution based territory finally.
00:01:19.000And we're going to be talking to you know how like you used to watch talk shows when you were a kid.
00:01:23.000I'm thinking maybe Letterman or Johnny Carson or something like that.
00:01:25.000And then they'd come on with a crocodile or like something like that.
00:01:44.000What I'm saying is that people like a little bit of chaos because we like to be reminded that the institutions of humankind are temporary and that our imitation of control is indeed a simulation.
00:01:54.000It is counterfeit and there is only one true king.
00:01:57.000We're going to be encountering that with Rick from Emerald Coast Zoom.
00:02:00.000Mertz, have a look at Rick and what he looks like.
00:02:02.000Now, when I look at Rick, I sort of think of him.
00:03:16.000I'm not saying she's not beautiful, but I wouldn't automatically go, she's the one who deserves the congratulations, because Jake's actually quite mellow.
00:03:39.000I read all of George Orwell once when, like, because in the UK, in my country, one time I started mouthing off about democracy and how it didn't really exist and how institutional power was able to assert its will regardless of.
00:03:49.000A seeming electoral mandate, i.e., don't matter who you vote for, you get the same stuff.
00:03:54.000I.e., you might vote for a radical anti war president and find yourself all of a sudden, like in a massive war, for example.
00:03:59.000That's just a random example off the top of my head, right?
00:04:01.000And I remember, like, at that time, I talked about sort of a lot of stuff to do with democracy.
00:04:08.000And British people know that George Orwell, he's your go to guy.
00:04:11.000And so, like, I read everything of Orwell after this person.
00:04:14.000Like, sometimes people that you know, your enemies, sometimes they actually are arming you.
00:04:17.000They're arming you because this guy, I did this interview in a magazine called The New Statesman where I said, There's no point voting.
00:04:25.000The background I'm from, all the people I grow up with, they never vote because we sort of know, Instinctively, that these institutions are none of our business, that they're all going to do the same thing, that some people will one day come out and say X, then they'll say Y, but they're going to do what they're going to do.
00:04:37.000This caused a massive furore in my country.
00:05:06.000And then you might miss the really, really important things that are happening, like you're saying stuff that's aligning with people that they're picking up.
00:05:13.000For example, during the COVID pandemic, you might be saying, How can they possibly know if they've not had time to clinically trial?
00:05:18.000How do we know which women are taking vaccines while they're pregnant?
00:05:24.000How can they possibly know that it doesn't cause women to miscarry?
00:05:26.000And then we find out, no women are taking drugs, participating in clinical trials while they're pregnant.
00:05:35.000George Orwell, who's in some ways a secular writer, certainly he's a socialist, and I don't say he was not explicitly a man of God, talked about how you could know almost instantaneously with a person, ah, this person's on the path.
00:05:50.000And like he said, he felt that with this guy.
00:05:52.000They said they were signing up to fight in the Civil War.
00:05:54.000A lot of people think it was the last righteous war because the fascists were taking over in Spain.
00:05:57.000Now, we know now a lot of revolutions were being counter funded by globalist ideologies that are, broadly speaking, satanic and Luciferian.
00:06:08.000But human beings, let's look at one another with good faith.
00:06:11.000Let's assume that all the, like, say, for example, I know that I'm in the South in America and that this is on Rumble.
00:06:16.000So I'm assuming that most people here, generally speaking, like Trump and like MAGA and all that kind of stuff.
00:06:21.000So, therefore, speaking to you guys, let's assume that people that are woke and believe in gender fluidity and believe in equality of marital rights in, you know, in many, many genders and things like that, let's assume that that comes from a place of kindness and compassion, the kindness and compassion that Christ would have.
00:06:39.000That we know that he would be like, How would Christ speak to someone that was in identity crisis?
00:06:44.000He wouldn't be going like, fucking freaking me out, would he?
00:06:47.000He'd be like, he'd find the grace and the glory and the eminent presence of his eternal self within them.
00:06:53.000Anyway, so I found a bit of that in Jake when I first met him.
00:07:03.000It's up for debate until you reveal what I call the frontal mound, whether it's the Lee Harvey Oswald grassy knoll.
00:07:10.000Or Jake's grassy groin is where the truth always lies.
00:07:14.000But that's not what we're here to discuss today.
00:07:16.000We're here to talk about perfect societies with Tony Chow, and we're here to talk to Rick from Emerald Coast Zoo with some secret animals that he won't tell us about.
00:07:23.000But before we get into that, who here in this live audience loves Conor McGregor?
00:08:06.000I've moved my hands from here to here.
00:08:09.000Like, and you can see footage of him, like, dirt poor and just hustling.
00:08:13.000And like, he made himself into something.
00:08:16.000But, you know, I've had some experience with fame and celebrity, and it can come at a Cost here, Conor McGregor appears to be reflecting on the infinite.
00:08:23.000But I want you, you of you watching this streaming this Friday, or you watching this now in this glorious room with us here in Florida, has Conor McGregor got any other, let's call them endocrinal or neurochemical components that are impacting on his reflection?
00:10:14.000What I will say is that this Sheila J is very good for anxiety.
00:10:17.000It's very good for keeping you peaceful.
00:10:18.000If you do, for example, a live show or you're talking about content, or man, if you're a UFC fighter, whatever it is, whatever your particular challenges are.
00:10:29.000Whether you've got a trial in October, you need a little bit of Sheila Jit to keep you balanced.
00:10:36.000Sheila, have you worked out what my mnemonic device was?
00:11:00.000I can, like Conor McGregor, see rainbows.
00:11:03.000I can see that white light is actually made up of a variety of different colored lights.
00:11:08.000I can see that all apparent separate entities are part of one living, flowing water, flowing through time, flowing from the temple of his grace, flowing down the middle of the holy street of Jerusalem and on either side of the trees of life.
00:11:22.000Which tree will you eat the fruit from?
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00:14:21.000Oh, has there ever been a time in your history where a brutal colonial power tried to control you and shut you down and crush you and tried to?
00:14:52.000Even cultural artifacts like Star Wars that we try not to politicize, or at least when they are politicized latterly in a superficial way, superficial diversity.
00:15:01.000Deep homogeneity when what our Lord wants is infinite fractals of glowing glory, not superficial representationalism.
00:15:09.000Here's George Lucas, the old beardy wonder, chatting about that stuff.
00:15:13.000See what Conor McGregor makes of this while he's high.
00:15:15.000You did something very interesting with Star Wars, if you think about it.
00:15:18.000The good guys are the rebels, they're using asymmetric warfare against a highly organized empire.
00:15:24.000I think we call those guys terrorists today.
00:15:27.000We call them Mujahideen, we call them Al Qaeda.
00:16:26.000All we want is to tax your tea in every single transaction.
00:16:29.000Though empire and colony and imperialism, they're interesting subjects, really, because whose power is it?
00:16:34.000You know, most of us agree that there should be some form of government, and even our beloved scripture advises that you do need a degree of managerialism.
00:16:40.000Managerialism, but when it becomes bureaucratism or bureaucracy, I suppose is the correct word, it's kind of deadened.
00:16:46.000It deadens it and it places that, it dehumanizes us.
00:16:48.000We all recognize that, even if it's a pretty minor thing like, please hold, or I'm unable to refund that money at that time, sir.
00:16:54.000Even when it's minor things like that, or it's just the refusal to see our shared vulnerability and fallibility at all times.
00:17:02.000Oh Lord, let us stand at the edge of one another's graves when we talk to one another.
00:17:06.000Oh Lord, let us stand at our children's graves looking at their parents.
00:17:50.000That you could offer about the United Kingdom.
00:17:52.000What people are saying is that the UK is being managed into decline, that people are creating and engineering, in fact, social conditions that lead to conflagration and conflict.
00:18:02.000Many people believe that the migrant crisis in the UK is being underwritten, not by compassion, but by a desire to generate social unrest.
00:18:12.000One of the things I learned during COVID, it's interesting, I think it's interesting anyway, but I have to live with me all the time.
00:18:17.000You guys are going to have to put up an hour and carry on with the rest of your life.
00:18:20.000I'll still be doing this shit in hours and hours' time alone in my room, waking up at 3 a.m., trying to distract myself from a rosary.
00:18:26.000And these are the kind of things that I'll be thinking about.
00:18:29.000During COVID, we were told that we had to go in our homes.
00:18:35.000We were told we must take vaccines or mRNA genetically engineered peculiar medicines in order to protect one another, even though we later learned it doesn't even stop transmission.
00:18:51.000But then one of the moments where I realized, This probably isn't true.
00:18:55.000Their whole Weltanschauung, their whole perspective, is when I remembered they don't think life is sacred at all.
00:19:01.000I see evidence of that all the time, whether it's poverty, homelessness, abortion, euthanasia.
00:19:06.000The evidence of a lack of sanctity of life is redolent throughout the culture and society.
00:19:10.000And the same thing I think might be true of the migrant crisis.
00:19:13.000Even if you want to make an argument, and Lord alone knows I've made it myself in the past, that Britain's colonial and imperial past means we have a debt to those countries like India, many African nations, places in South America.
00:19:24.000Places where we participate in the slave trade before our Christian leaders participate in the abolition of the slave trade that might mean that we have a kind of indebtedness to places in the world where it suffers from poverty and whatever the results and consequences one might think of rampant 21st century capitalism.
00:19:43.000But then when I've heard them apply the same arguments to Ireland, the country next to us, where I know that country, Ireland never went around the world raiding people or causing agro.
00:19:52.000In fact, we did it to Ireland and they did the exact same arguments to Ireland.
00:19:57.000Those colonialist, imperialist Irish rampaging around the world, fighting for their sovereignty against British oppressors.
00:20:04.000I notice how often Britain comes up in all this.
00:20:06.000I'm starting to think that we've caused all of the world's problems, as a matter of fact, and we should be very thankful to America.
00:20:11.000But my point is this the whole way they ran the COVID scam, let's call it scam, it's a one-syllable word, it's not often I use them.
00:20:19.000The whole reason they ran the COVID scam in the way they did is because it legitimizes authority, not because they believe in the sanctity of human life.
00:20:26.000So when it comes to the issue of migration, Is it, do you believe?
00:20:29.000Let me know in the comments and chat because I think life is sacred and we have an obligation as brothers and sisters here under one loving God to look after one another.
00:20:36.000Or do you think it could be something else?
00:20:39.000Well, whatever you think about that, you might be fascinated to look at the new literature that the British government are giving to new migrants.
00:20:45.000I thought we could go through it together.
00:20:46.000Does that sound like an all right idea to you, beloved people, beloved people in the audience today?
00:21:48.000Well, this is the first thing I'd like to challenge.
00:21:50.000If you're living in the UK right now and you are an indigenous person born in the UK whose grandparents are from the UK, basically, I know me or people like me, I'm in the UK right now for obvious reasons.
00:22:00.000You are not living in safety and dignity and aware of your rights.
00:22:03.000You're probably feeling the weight of bureaucratic oppression and you live in a country that you might feel, I don't know, let me know, hates you.
00:22:10.000And this might be equally true if you're a left wing vote in trans person or a right wing vote in nationalist.
00:22:19.000You probably feel your country doesn't care about you.
00:22:26.000As much as your country exists as a legislative entity, it's a power structure that itself has yielded its authority to a more centralized set of authorities, globalism, you'd call that in plain English.
00:22:36.000And even that globalism ain't the last layer of power.
00:22:39.000There's sets of power, to get all Ephesians 6 12 about it, spiritual authorities in the heavenly realms that seem to be controlling everything.
00:22:47.000And as every day passes, that seems more and more likely, doesn't it?
00:22:50.000To you guys, does it seem likely to you guys?
00:22:52.000It does seem, to me, it seems highly likely that the real authority and power we're dealing with is spiritual authority and power.
00:23:01.000In the UK, there are laws that protect everyone's safety, dignity, and rights.
00:23:04.000It is important you understand them because not following UK law can have serious consequences.
00:23:09.000Actually, even following it can have pretty serious consequences.
00:23:12.000Let me tell you, I can tell you that from personal experience.
00:23:14.000You can get in trouble with the police, lose your asylum support, it could affect your asylum claim.
00:23:20.000You could get in trouble with the police, lose your asylum support, It could affect your asylum claim.
00:23:25.000Like it seems that the ground upon which they're standing is the asylum claim itself.
00:23:29.000Here it talks about gender equality, which, you know, I mean, if you're fleeing a war torn nation that in some way you feel might be in the terrible strife it's in as a result of the historic commercial and imperial activities of the United Kingdom, presumably that's the justification for the UK being the place that receives these migrants.
00:23:51.000Gender equality, is that going to be high on the list?
00:23:59.000Again, you might be a woman thinking men get paid more money, or you might be a man thinking why are a significantly higher percentage of men homeless, or why do men work in dangerous jobs, or why do men make up a larger percentage of the prison population, or you might be a woman that's worried about the medical treatment around pregnancy.
00:24:18.000In any event, your country is in serious trouble, whether you're an asylum seeker or whether you are a resident native, because you might think yourself a resident native of the UK, but you are in exile yet.
00:24:28.000You are in exile on this entire domain, on this territory, you are in exile.
00:24:32.000We're all asylum seekers here from this spiritual realm where the battle is being fought.
00:24:36.000Now, I don't want to get all proselytizing about it a little late now, you might say, but all of us are involved in something a lot more important than scrabbling around for resources like rats in a cage.
00:24:47.000Whether you're an asylum seeker from a far flung nation looking for a bit of that British sunshine and a bit of that British hospitality, or whether you're a comparatively wealthy individual, you are not free.
00:25:04.000Please take the opportunity while you have it to turn away from the false material world, which only becomes valuable when inhered with spirit and the inherent beauty that its creator gives it.
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00:26:44.000Ladies and gentlemen, the United Kingdom may be suffering from a great deal of pressure.
00:26:47.000You might think of it as a place beset with locusts and Plagues.
00:26:51.000The only good thing about the number of insects slithering and crawling, the number of locusts landing on every face and on everything sacred in the UK, is that the WEF under Klaus Schorb said that these bugs would be good, delicious sources of protein for all of us.
00:27:06.000You can eat these cockroaches while they're devouring you.
00:27:09.000Well, some of the higher creations have been bought in by Rick from Emerald City Zoo.
00:27:15.000Sarah and Wick de Ritter sold almost everything they owned, including their home and family car, and spent Every penny they had to buy a struggling zoo that was sure to close.
00:27:25.000They had found out that the animals in the zoo would probably all have to be euthanized if the zoo did close down because no other zoo facilities in the country would take them in and they couldn't be released into the wild.
00:27:37.000So Rick and Sarah and their three children took over the monumental task of running the zoo and caring for all of these animals.
00:27:45.000Please welcome to the stage Rick from Emerald City Zoo.
00:29:00.000Based because I have faith that that cage is going to stay locked and that the lion's not going to come out.
00:29:04.000But what I love about Rick's zoo in particular is like, you know, maybe when you go into like a zoo in New York or Chicago or London or Tokyo or wherever, I mean, I guess there's a lot of zoos everywhere.
00:29:13.000I've always sort of been bugged by this feeling of, well, something came right about this.
00:29:53.000And like, there's other creatures in there.
00:29:55.000And then there's Rick and his family are also in the zoo.
00:29:59.000Rick, how did you install this sort of fluid mindset?
00:30:02.000And tell us a little bit about, for example, that crazy ass time where that lady there that works there sort of feeds them lion cubs like as if they're her, like as if they're her children, you know?
00:30:15.000Like, she puts like chicken, she puts all just greasy chicken shit in their stuff.
00:34:08.000You can't just shout into the abyss, Marcy.
00:34:10.000Now go on, ask Ricky your question, darling.
00:34:11.000I know I was saying when you said he doesn't eat it, but I guess it was a Python, I heard two stories in Indonesia of women actually getting eaten whole by these snakes.
00:34:22.000Yes, and remember, I said I didn't bring a python because he's so sexy, it would definitely eat him, right?
00:34:27.000And that would be we used to have the longest snake in the world, used to be at Emerald Coast Zoo, 45 minutes just down the street from this awesome beach, dude.
00:36:06.000If this room was filled with muddy water and he can't see with his sweet goggles and you're splashing over there, he can feel you with his face.
00:36:14.000Russell, see all these little dots right around his lips?
00:36:39.000I mean, it's a he's a beautiful, beautiful creature, Rick.
00:36:42.000But what, as well as your obvious and evident passion, and let's let's clock it again strangeness, you're a strange man.
00:36:48.000Like what you have is a sort of a wonderful ability to curate and bring together communities.
00:36:54.000Your zoo is a very, very special place, a very special community you've created there, and it feels like a beautiful place to enjoy the variety and extraordinariness of God's.
00:39:52.000Okay, so some of you will know of Tony Cho.
00:39:54.000Some of you know for a long time I've been talking about building communities.
00:39:58.000And you'll know too that I've gotten sort of somewhat tired of continually focusing on institutional political problems that don't seem to be radically different, whether you're in Korea or Bulgaria, the United States, America, or UK.
00:40:12.000Sometimes you might get the relative pleasure of the inflection and hue of the political party's livery changing from red to blue, but ultimately.
00:40:21.000There's a spiritual war that you're participating in.
00:40:23.000And if you want to participate in it meaningfully, we're going to have to start engaging in evangelizing for decentralized democracies under the one true king who is able to lead us.
00:40:33.000Let's have a look at this quick clip of Tony Cho telling us what he does.
00:40:37.000There's a lot of talk out there around smart cities are the future.
00:40:40.000Can we think about creating wise cities that leverage technology, but appropriately in a way that serves humans, but that's also thinking not just about the present, but that's thinking for future generations, that's thinking about As the indigenous called seven generation planning, three generations behind us, the current and present generation, and three generations in front of us.
00:41:05.000I know that's a city that I want to be in.
00:41:20.000So, Tony Cho, this book, Generation and Regeneration, I guess, is the way that you talk us through how cities could be different.
00:41:27.000Now, like as a person who's a follower of Christ, but also a radical revolutionary, even though those two things, the more I think about it, can't be separated from one another, there is a concept of a holy city that could.
00:41:40.000Mostly it seems to me that cities these days are concentrations brought about just to facilitate either vice or leisure or some late industrial idea or ideal.
00:41:51.000What is the idea of a redeemed, regenerative future city that you describe, mate?
00:41:57.000So, simply, cities are a place that can actually heal instead of extract people, and they've been designed in a way that's causing harm.
00:42:03.000And so, the idea behind generation regeneration, co designing the future of cities through regenerative placemaking.
00:42:10.000Is that it's an open source framework.
00:42:31.000How then would that play out in, say, where we are near Pensacola, or whether it's a city that has a global brand recognition like London or New York or Tokyo?
00:42:46.000How would it alter politically and how would it alter for its residents?
00:42:50.000So it's not about politics and it's not really about religion.
00:42:52.000It's about what a place has indigenous to itself the culture, the nature, and the community.
00:42:58.000And essentially, this community, and if it's faith based, which this community is, like you talked about earlier in the show, it's for the people to decide what's best for them based on their history, based on their culture, and they co design it.
00:43:11.000And that becomes being involved in politics, that becomes being involved in the operating system.
00:43:16.000So, you have the hardware, which is actually the bricks and the sticks, the building.
00:43:21.000And sometimes we talk about these things in the context of practices.
00:43:25.000Like in Judaism, they have Shabbat, where we basically digitally detox for one day.
00:43:30.000Why does that have to be just in one religion?
00:43:32.000Why can't that be something that a particular community designs for themselves because it's healthier for their children to be disconnected from social media, which we saw in the news today?
00:43:42.000I think that Meta is going to pay something like $18 billion because social media has been addicting for children and it's caused a lot of harm.
00:43:50.000People are more lonely than ever before.
00:43:52.000And I'm claiming that this is not a human problem.
00:44:03.000I also, where I suppose would query what you're saying is that it's deliberate.
00:44:08.000For example, in the case that you used, Meta, Meta put a great deal of research into ensuring that their technologies and their platforms are addictive in the same way that the tobacco companies, after they were chased out of town by the revelation that their products were, you know, Killing people, they applied that technology and marketing to food.
00:44:27.000Now, the food that we, as I'm sure you're aware, is like addictive and deliberately addictive.
00:44:31.000And the way that we scroll or use a phone and the way that a phone interacts with us is designed to be addictive.
00:44:36.000So, the same I imagine might apply to a city.
00:44:39.000It's not some inadvertent and an error, it's not a bug, it's a feature.
00:44:44.000To put it quickly, it's a feature that cities are designed in order to ensnare us in vice.
00:44:49.000Now, if we were to redeem a city, if we would say, like, let's have New York or London or a city that people can envisage in the imagination, a different version of it.
00:44:57.000It does immediately become political because the reason you couldn't do that tomorrow in London, and indeed, of course, we could electively have a Sabbath at any time, or we could electively, you know, like the whole time when COVID was happening, you can take as many vaccines as you want whenever you want.
00:45:11.000You could have to take 25 now if you want, or drink a whole pint of Moderna if it'll make you happy.
00:45:16.000But it's the idea of mandating it for people that don't want to do it is the problem.
00:45:22.000So it does immediately become political because how do you say that, e.g., London is a sovereign city and Londoners democratically decide?
00:45:31.000How much money to spend on roads, hospitals, what type of food to eat, whether they want the food to be grown there, how they want it distributed.
00:45:40.000And it's because people are uninformed and they're ignorant.
00:45:43.000It's not because they're bad or they have bad intentions.
00:45:45.000I believe that there are a certain segment of the population that does want to manipulate, that does want to control.
00:45:51.000But I do believe once the public and the community is informed, they will demand through political processes that we know are not decentralized, that we know are not democratic.
00:46:00.000But if enough of us, if we speak up, And we're educated about what's working in other places.
00:46:06.000And that's what my mission is to impact the lives of a billion people through innovation in the built environment, through inspiring people through ideas, what's working in places.
00:46:15.000For example, the third spaces, church is a third space, a place where community comes together.
00:46:39.000In Europe, you guys have actually good public transportation.
00:46:42.000I went from Amsterdam, where there's 850,000 bicycles, and people actually control the streets, not cars, because Europe was built before cars.
00:46:51.000America was built by special interests for cars, for the oil industry, and it doesn't help bring us together and make us better, happier, connected people.
00:47:03.000I do like the idea of redeeming existing cities rather than the idea that we have to sort of abolish and destroy.
00:47:08.000Destroy all existing infrastructure and start again because, in a sense, it's not my idea.
00:47:13.000People have said that many of, if you consider our entire culture to be one body, and within that one body are many organs, and many limbs, and many facilities and senses, and each of them have their own ability.
00:47:25.000And that even though the eye or the hand requires a good degree of autonomy, it would be little use if it were not connected to the overall anatomy.
00:47:34.000The same could be said of a culture that we have media and we have legislation and we have a judiciary and we have.
00:47:39.000Law enforcement, that all of these things could be redeemed if we had the right organizing principle behind it.
00:47:45.000And I suppose the organizing principles have been successfully espoused for millennia.
00:47:51.000You know, obviously, you're clear and understand what my perspective is.
00:48:00.000As long as people recognize individual sovereignty, community, family, individual freedom, you're absolutely right that an entire community could be.
00:48:09.000Run according to the laws of Islam if that's what that community wanted, or it could be a sort of a LGBTQ community if that's what that community wanted.
00:48:17.000Indeed, really, what we want is democracy and freedom because I think most people these days are caught up in a phony cultural war where we're bickering and squabbling over essentially abstract ideas.
00:48:30.000What I mean by abstract is, however, galling and terrible foreign wars might be, they're not impacting me in the way that it would impact me if there's a traffic jam or if my dog dies.
00:48:42.000It's to recognize the limitations that I have as a human being.
00:48:46.000If we live in communities where you have a sense of power and authority, where you know that your voice matters and is relevant, that you can participate in feeding the poor and the needy where you live, or you can participate in serving people where you live, and that you yourself can be served by that community when you yourself are vulnerable and fallen, it makes life somehow relevant and makes sense.
00:49:11.000Are you saying, mate, that you can foresee?
00:49:14.000Because I love graphics in the clip we saw of you.
00:49:16.000It looks sort of, there's something about it that's very heartening to see that amount of green, that amount of cohesion, that amount of cybernetic harmony.
00:49:32.000That's divinity, that's God, however you want to put it.
00:49:35.000The more we're connected to nature, even if you're in an apartment, you know, and you have a tree in your apartment or a plant, people express higher levels of happiness.
00:49:43.000In Japan, they prescribe forest bathing to deal with mental illness.
00:49:47.000We have a mental illness crisis, we have a trust crisis.
00:49:50.000So, biophilic design, which means bringing plant and plant intelligence into the built environment, bringing the natural environment into the built environment, is going to make us happier, more connected people.
00:50:02.000For instance, I grew up in a commune in what some people would call a spiritual interfaith community by my grandmother, who was an American born guru who taught with Ram Das in this very hierarchical community.
00:50:17.000Because I'm really into Ram Das and I'm excited about him.
00:50:19.000Yeah, well, he wrote a chapter of my grandmother called The Brooklyn Detour, and they had a very Fiery, public, controversial relationship, but very powerful.
00:50:30.000And she had a vision of Christ who appeared to her.
00:50:32.000So she says, who instructed her to teach all ways, for all ways were his.
00:50:37.000And then she became an actual Hindu guru following Hinduism.
00:50:41.000But in our community where I grew up, Kashi, there's temples to every religion and all people are welcome.
00:50:47.000Well, me and my late wife, Jimena, who's Colombian, we created a retreat center that's based on nature.
00:50:52.000So, you know, nature is the ceremony, nature is medicine, community is medicine, and food is medicine.
00:50:59.000The point of this is that Florida is such an important ecosystem with the Everglades, that's the green lungs of America, and we're paving over paradise to build a parking lot.
00:51:10.000And we need to understand that the entire core of Florida has some of the most important wetlands in the entire world, and that we need to protect these corridors so these animals that we're talking about can coexist with humans because, again, we are nature and they're all God's children under this law.
00:51:28.000And Florida can be a place because we're on the front lines of climate change and hurricanes.
00:51:32.000And all of this stuff that we can be a demonstration project.
00:51:35.000So, what people need to understand is what we do upstream affects what we do downstream.
00:51:40.000So, when we pave over the wetlands, the headwaters to the Everglades, the headwaters to the St. John's behind my retreat center, we're actually impacting what happens in all of our cities Jacksonville, Orlando, Miami.
00:51:51.000And we have such a beautiful, you know, environmentally rich state.
00:51:55.000And I went to your beaches, which are the most beautiful beaches.
00:51:57.000I used to go here as a kid in Sanibel Island, and we're now all dealing with this epidemic of sarcasm.
00:52:46.000I find it very encouraging what you're saying there, Tony, about the necessity for harmony and the acknowledgement of the inherent divinity within nature.
00:52:54.000I'll put aside my sort of very particular ecclesiastical principles at the moment about where those principles come from and how that ought to be ordered and prioritized.
00:53:02.000Because generally speaking, I think that the desacralization of our cultural and social spaces and the sort of robbing of the beauty and holiness of eating and of sex and of relationship and The way that we look at each other and feel about one another is absolutely paramount.
00:53:20.000And when I say that thing about decentralization and every community being fully democratic and autonomous where possible, and energy self sufficient and food self sufficient, that's in order really just to tackle the problem that arises when you have either commercial or governmental authority that's centralized.
00:53:35.000So when it inevitably does become corrupt, the problems are enormous because it's a centralized authority, like a sort of a great federal government or a giant international tech company.
00:53:45.000And the promises that we were given, the advantages that we were told we would gain by yielding to these centralized powers, are no longer super relevant.
00:53:54.000You know, even if you take something like agriculture, solving problems of starvation and famine versus the kind of permaculture that would be possible now.
00:54:10.000The next step is resilience and then regeneration.
00:54:13.000So, this book is about regenerative placemaking.
00:54:16.000How do we regeneratively store our own souls?
00:54:19.000Our families, our communities, and you can talk about it from all different perspectives.
00:54:23.000But the three different pillars of this framework are nature first, community, and culture.
00:54:29.000And I think faith goes within the culture portion of it.
00:54:32.000And we have to bring faith and culture forward to the modern era so that everybody can have a new narrative and a new story and a new myth that we can all be part of.
00:54:41.000And that's where I think it's really important that we co create in a decentralized way in order to do this.
00:54:47.000So this is really more of a blueprint.
00:54:49.000And it's open source that it's going out to the world.
00:54:52.000That's my gift because this is what I grew up in community.
00:54:55.000I understand the trappings and the failings of also really having an authoritarian centralized power.
00:55:02.000But Thich Nhat Hanh said that the community is the new guru.
00:55:05.000And that's something I really believe in.
00:55:07.000It has to be decentralized, like you talked about.
00:55:09.000It has to be, I call it, the co creation and really the co evolution of our society.
00:55:17.000And we have to do it together with, for, and by the community.
00:55:27.000And I know that human beings, if you submit to community, Satan will take over because it's already happened so many times.
00:55:34.000But what I believe is that you're spot on and, like, totally what we have to have are collegiate, coherent relationships between people of different faiths and different ideologies in order to succeed.
00:55:42.000And he'll do the work that he has to do and we'll do the work that we have to do.
00:55:45.000Tony, thank you so much for joining us, man.
00:57:01.000And like, you know, this is one of the things I say, like, you know, because I've had such vivid problems as a drug addict and as a famous person, all those things, it boils down to something quite somewhat comparable, I think, in anyone's life.
00:57:14.000Control and want to be in control of stuff, and it's that for all of us, it's the same thing stop, you're not in control, you're gonna die.
00:57:19.000Let go, let God, let God in, let the light in.
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