00:02:56.000A word that only the Germans could have come up with is being applied to Anthony Fauci, who's having to raise funds to fight his legal battles.
00:03:03.000He should pay for his own legal battles like the rest of us.0.61
00:03:06.000I'm going to have a fantastic time on the show today.
00:03:07.000I'll be talking to my friend Eddie Mansfield, who runs Paths of Grace, a brilliant treatment centre for women, saving women on a daily basis through the love of the Lord and abstinence based recovery.
00:03:15.000I'm also going to be talking to Nathan Apfel, who you might have seen when he was on Tucker, blowing the lid of the mega church business.
00:03:22.000How do we be human and fallen in this world?
00:03:24.000How do we survive on the material plane without being hypocritical and compromised?0.60
00:03:29.000And, sir, you promised me you would not get aroused during this.0.74
00:03:33.000It's time for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:03:59.000For Stay Free with Russell Brand, brought in as always by the beautiful, melodic, mellifluous tones of Jake Smith there with Wake Me Up, Wake Me Up.
00:05:10.000It's mostly just Justin Trudeau, isn't it?
00:05:12.000I suppose, because he was in a position of actual power during the pandemic, during COVID, and there were those trucker protests and all that kind of stuff, and they labeled him as Nazis.
00:05:20.000Katy Perry, she was a good person, and I've nothing but good things to say about her.
00:05:26.000Justin Trudeau, just want to remind you again those trucker protests, man, we called everybody Nazis.
00:05:30.000And also, when they brought an actual Nazi into the Canadian Parliament, it was like a Ukrainian Nazi, and got all the people in the Canadian Parliament to sort of like sit.
00:05:37.000I think I may be misremembering this.0.67
00:06:00.000Hey, the main thing we want to talk about on the show today is Anthony Fauci has been raising money for his legal defense.
00:06:10.000As a result of complexity emerging from the pandemic period.
00:06:14.000Now, one of the things that we all know about Anthony Fauci is during his various administration positions at the CDC and NIH over the years, he received, some people say, or at least it's customary to receive royalties for some of the products that were sanctioned and introduced during his tenure.
00:06:31.000In short, Anthony Fauci should be able to pay for his own legal proceedings.
00:06:36.000And isn't it beautiful that a pardon from Joe Biden ain't worth the paper it was written on with an automatic?
00:06:53.000So, and ever since stepping down as the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in 2022, the 85 year old has raked in millions of dollars in retirement.
00:07:04.000But that hasn't stopped a newly created website from asking Fauci's supporters for even more money.
00:07:09.000Fauci Legal Defense.com has been, quote, established to help pay the costs of the ongoing legal representation of Dr. Fauci, end quote.
00:07:17.000The site also tells potential donors that their contributions to the fund are not tax deductible as charitable donations.
00:07:25.000I've been a recent report published by the watchdog group, Open the Books, which reports that Fauci earned a staggering $3.5 million in 2023 alone, his first full year of retirement.
00:07:37.000Well, the same report reveals that Fauci's total earnings in retirement, which will hit the four-year mark in December, are pushing upwards of $13 million.
00:07:47.000Hey, I mentioned already Schadenfreude.
00:07:50.000Now, let's just refresh our memories about that period.
00:07:53.000Anthony Fauci was broadly presented as a public hero, the voice of reliability, truth, and veracity at that time.
00:08:00.000He himself declaring that he was the science.
00:08:02.000I don't take any delight in the downfall of Anthony Fauci, just that there appears to be now a kind of reckoning tide rising in which the truth is being revealed.
00:08:48.000I had coronavirus, I had immunity, I wasn't a threat to anyone, but there's no reason for me to get vaccinated.
00:08:56.000It's my freedom to choose, which is the fundamental right you have as a human being on this planet the freedom to choose, which was taken away from a lot of people.
00:09:03.000Let me know how you feel about that in the comments and chat.
00:09:06.000Do you feel that your personal liberty and freedom was impeded upon?
00:09:09.000Do you feel that there was a kind of a whispering campaign that was tantamount to BF Skinner style nudging, that you were coached, manipulated, controlled, like an authoritative force stopped you from being free, all the while telling you that it was for your health or for vulnerable people in your community?
00:09:27.000And if you recognize that as a paradigm, do you see that imprint playing out again and again and again?
00:10:06.000It's also a problem that affects us on an Individual basis.
00:10:10.000All of you, I'm sure, that are watching this right now, and if you don't have Rumble Premium yet, get Rumble Premium now, will have stories about people that were healthy that suddenly became sick, people that wanted to travel somewhere that couldn't, people that had funerals that they wanted to attend that they couldn't, births that took place, sicknesses, medications that were missed.
00:10:28.000Remember, do not yield to the amnesia of this culture.
00:10:32.000Now, this is an extraordinary story about a marathon runner who had a surprising heart attack.
00:10:44.000Now, let's just read this for a moment.
00:10:46.000And remember, we're reading this in the wake of a pretty unprecedented and ubiquitous campaign to ensure that an entire population took a particular substance that may or may not be regarded as a medication.
00:10:59.000If you had asked me who was at most at risk of heart attack, I would never have said myself, as the managing director of a health company, I try to practice what I preach.
00:11:12.000Now, if you're like me and you had the kind of experiences I had during the pandemic, you'll feel the phantom presence of the vaccine right now and wonder if it's going to appear in the text.
00:11:22.000So, when chest pain began in January, I ignored it.
00:11:27.000Cold weather, getting back into training.
00:11:29.000Yet within weeks, I was fighting for my life after a major heart attack.
00:11:32.000Remember, let me know in the comments and chat right now if you know people that had myocarditis, pericarditis, heart problems, miscarriages, Bell's palsy, all manner of problems that are now increasingly being revealed to have strong, inherent.
00:11:46.000Deliberate connections to the vaccine that were obfuscated and masked at the time while they campaigned to shame you for killing your own grandmother or someone else's if you didn't immediately comply.
00:11:56.000Remember, the authority is always the goal.
00:12:00.000It's the authority and control that they're aiming for.
00:12:19.000Looking back, I probably trusted it more than I should have.
00:12:21.000Looking back, doctors believe the earlier episodes of chest pain and breathlessness I experienced, there are still people coughing themselves to death in this very room.
00:12:27.000That's how serious the COVID pandemic is.
00:12:30.000There's people here on the very precipice of keeling over.1.00
00:12:38.000You will own nothing and you will be happy.
00:12:41.000While they never pinpointed the cause of my heart attack, one consultant's theory was that I have familial hypercholestremia, an inherent genetic predisposition.
00:12:51.000Jake, you were telling me just yesterday that the whole cholesterol racket has been recently exposed.
00:12:57.000Healthy cholesterol was mislabeled and misrepresented in order to promote cholesterol medicines that are essentially a lifelong prescription, like signing up for a gym membership from now till when you're dead, sort of thing.
00:13:09.000Yeah, if you lower the healthy number, keep lowering it, making it lower and lower and lower, then you have to have medication that keeps it at that number for the rest of your life.
00:13:19.000And then dementia and Alzheimer's and everything kicks in later in your life.
00:13:36.000We're in a controlled, manufactured environment.
00:13:38.000We ain't for sure in no garden where we've got control and the ability to walk with the divine creator.
00:13:44.000We're in an environment where we're asked to give that authority, to yield that authority to a kind of synthesis of authority or a counterfeit authority that we yield the authority that can only really be handled by God, too.
00:13:58.000Now, listen, many people believe that overall excess deaths have increased since the pandemic.
00:14:05.000There are statistics that strongly support that, i.e., since the pandemic, more people are dying at a faster rate than before.
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00:16:05.000Remember, just before the break, we were talking about the pandemic period and whether or not companies like Moderna, And Pfizer were able to influence policy, or even if they didn't influence policy, whether they benefited from near mandated vaccines that they themselves manufacture.
00:16:19.000And if they didn't, why has it become so difficult to get hold of the files and information, not only about the clinical trials that preceded the release of their products, but also about many of the results and potential complications that have come from those trials?
00:16:33.000I'll remind you that Moderna is a company that the British Prime Minister, oh man, we have so many, I can't even remember all of their names.
00:16:41.000Wait a minute, he was five prime ministers back.
00:16:58.000Rishi Sunak, he was an investor in the hedge fund that owned Moderna when Moderna only had, I think, five employees, certainly less than 50.
00:17:07.000And now Moderna has got enormous contracts.
00:17:10.000Let me know in the comments and chat whether you think that Moderna had an unfair advantage or benefited unduly during the pandemic period.
00:17:17.000Let me know in the comments and chat right now.
00:17:41.000Or maybe it's an inadvertent consequence of what appeared to be a mass trialed medical product that was imposed upon billions of people and likely had even more nefarious results and a worse impact than we are.
00:18:32.000Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
00:18:35.000We've got some great guests coming up on the show.
00:18:36.000We've got Eddie Mansfield, who actually spends his life doing something worthwhile.
00:18:40.000Imagine that, redeeming and saving women that have experienced the negative impact of lifelong alcoholism and addiction.
00:18:48.000Before that, have a look at the podcast I do every Sunday with my beloved wife, Laura, where we, I suppose, try to make Our mutual love of the Lord and one another accessible.
00:19:12.000The reason this book is so powerful, the idea that the gospel begins as a tragedy oh my God, the Son of God came and we killed him, that's awful.
00:19:22.000What a crazy thing for God to do to just be a sort of a peasant guy that tells stories and stuff like that and do miracles.
00:19:28.000And then everyone around him just abandons him at the crucial moment.
00:19:31.000Then a fairy tale, when it becomes a fairy tale, it's there is a mystery here.
00:19:37.000And like, you know, people, there's so many ways that one could attack this.
00:19:40.000There's all these people that refuse to believe that God's real, atheists, materialists, all you're through, you're born, you die.
00:19:45.000Then there's the people that do believe in God, but are functional atheists that act as if some profound mystery is not taking place right now.
00:19:54.000Something unusual, something extraordinary, something magical and glorious is taking place that is simultaneously tragic and comic and also somehow unknowable.
00:20:04.000And it's a very, very hard thing to, impossible in fact, to engage with.
00:20:08.000And it brings you to a place of total submission and humility.
00:20:11.000So, when, if you're a person like me that has thought, I can't live anymore, I can't be alive anymore, like Jason R. Day, I want to kill myself.0.97
00:20:37.000I was a drug addict and an alcoholic and came down to Destin, Florida and went to a long term rehab here.
00:20:46.000As I started to see my life change for the better, Started to desire to see other people get the same change that I had.
00:20:55.000When I started with Path of Grace 11 years ago, we had five women.
00:20:59.000Every year we've added some women, and now we're, of course, we're up to 45, and we're actually in the process of building eight small homes to reunite mothers and children right now.
00:21:10.000Hey, please welcome Eddie Mansfield, everyone.
00:21:39.000So, Eddie, after all of this drug research that you were doing in the holy name of science, what is it that led you to start Path of Grace?
00:21:51.000Female only residential treatment program for women, but what makes it unique and how's things going there?
00:22:01.000I didn't plan on it, but I got arrested and thrown in jail in 2006, about 20 years ago.
00:22:10.000Ended up in the Haven House, it was a men's program here, and some of my friends were starting Path of Grace.
00:22:15.000So what happened was, by default, they lost their director, and I chose to come on and just Do it as a volunteer job for a little bit until they found the right person.
00:22:27.000And about after three years of volunteering, then they said, Hey, we'd like to hire you to run our program.
00:22:34.000So I've been there for 16 years, started in 2010.
00:22:38.000So, is it something that sounds to me like it just kind of happened almost like you flowed into it?
00:22:45.000Like one minute you're in the field doing drugs, next minute you're running a treatment center, you never even went to a job interview or anything.
00:22:53.000But when I'm around you at that place, it seems like you're doing a really remarkable job of running that place.0.97
00:22:58.000Because I suppose you're a man running this very deliberately and specifically female oriented space.
00:23:04.000And there seems to be something very sort of, I want to call it, I want to say sort of like appropriate and holy about the way that the place is run.
00:23:12.000I went with my wife and my daughters and my little son and my mum, actually, and we hung out there and we did a Bible study with the women.
00:23:19.000What I want to say about the place is that even though there's a lot of brokenness there, and I notice I'm touching myself when I say the brokenness, like I'm, I feel like I was the craziest person in there last night, actually, as a matter of fact, by some margin.
00:23:30.000And like, but also people are healing there together.
00:23:34.000They're talking about some, not, I don't want to mess with anyone's anonymity or nothing like that, but the people there have experienced what I would call some of the most serious things that a person.
00:23:44.000Can it be loss of children, loss of liberty, shame, despair?
00:23:49.000And yet, there is a kind of congeniality and conviviality.
00:23:52.000What do you see your role as being there, and what are the challenges of having a role in a sort of an intense environment like that?
00:23:58.000Well, I think that God, my past, He used what I went through in my past, which I used to be a drug dealer, to be honest.
00:25:25.000So you're building another facility so you can help even more women, and you're grabbing people, it seems, right from the gates of hell there, right from like when they're in jail.
00:25:34.000It's pretty striking when you listen to the women there, how the level of despair.
00:25:38.000But that kind of despair, in a sense, whether you're a drug addict or not, whether you've been to jail or not, or whether you've lost children or not, do you sometimes feel, Eddie, that in the same way that you said, the chaos of your own life as a drug dealer in a field, presumably selling drugs?
00:25:53.000Crystal meth to stags and passing badgers has somehow been redeemed in the crazy chaos of your new life, issuing and dispensing access to our Lord in this new environment.
00:26:07.000Do you feel then that in the chaos of addiction, we're looking for something spiritual?
00:26:12.000Because me, when I first got clean, I knew that God was going to be part of the answer, but it took me a while, a long time to accept Christ.
00:26:20.000How do you find that people are pretty open to the idea of Christ?
00:26:26.000If you don't provide them with, I don't know, I don't want to be dismissive.
00:26:31.000I don't want to say more practical tools, but additional tools to a loving reverence of Christ, because presumably a lot of problems are social, economic, political, medical, and stuff.
00:26:42.000You know, like you, when I first got in trouble, the first thing that happened to me, and I don't even know why, because I ran from anyone that had anything to do with God, including my family, and they were always trying to find help for me.
00:28:42.000And we tell them, you know, we found success for the longer that you stay, the better chances that you're going to have at staying clean and sober.
00:28:51.000And they know that they're coming into a Christ centered environment where they're going to be getting a little bit of something to do with God every single day.
00:29:05.000Sometimes it's hard, I think, to replace, if you have been dependent on drugs for a long time and live in a kind of a criminal lifestyle, I suppose.
00:29:13.000If you are taking drugs, you are living a criminal lifestyle because they're illegal.
00:29:17.000Like that, it can be difficult to sincerely let go of that attachment.0.99
00:29:23.000Do you find that some of your clients, or whatever you call them, are like not able to and are like, this is bullshit?0.96
00:29:32.000Like, this ain't going to help me.0.96
00:29:34.000Because I kind of remember those feelings myself when I first stopped taking drugs.
00:29:38.000And I also know of a lot of other facilities in my country, the UK, that aren't so overtly Christ centered.
00:29:43.000Where people just hang out there because in my country it's called a jail swerve, like you take that over jail all day long, rather go there than jail, and that you just hang out there and maybe even use in there and stuff like that.
00:29:55.000How common is that kind of thing, mate?
00:29:58.000Some people come in and they don't stay, but we have a great success rate for those that do stay the full two years.0.64
00:30:06.000A lot of the ladies that come into our program, they love it and they stay there because of the.
00:30:14.000Because of what we're doing with the God, and we have a lot of fun, so we balance like a lot of fun, work, therapy, and things related to God, like Bible studies and church.
00:30:30.000And you know, we just do something all the time with that.
00:30:35.000And so they learn to balance it, and they slowly the old self dies, and the new creation comes.
00:30:43.000So you just can't create an environment of encouragement and availability, and you can't really control the outcome.
00:30:49.000Some people might come there for the wrong reasons.
00:30:51.000In fact, actually, thinking about that, you know, some people might do all sorts of things for the wrong reasons, but the truth is that God is real and He will find you, huh?
00:31:56.000We have a thrift store in Panama City Beach, Panama City, and Marimar Beach.
00:32:01.000So if you have anything you don't need, you want to get rid of, you want to go through your furniture and get rid of some, some clothes, some home goods, whatever it is.
00:32:09.000It'll benefit what we're doing, and we certainly appreciate it.
00:32:14.000It's also good because women, like, they work there and stuff, and I suppose having some kind of meaningful, purposeful employment can be useful.
00:32:23.000I'm just remembering myself when I was in treatment, what I felt like was institutionalized.
00:32:27.000It's a while ago now, 23 years, but I felt like, you know, what I didn't like is when you have to go on a trip in a bus.
00:32:33.000That's when I felt most vulnerable.0.98
00:32:35.000You know, they'll maybe take you to a bowling alley or like go kart racing, and that's when you really feel like, I'm fucked up, man.0.77
00:32:42.000Like, so maybe you're in, like, you know, you've got to be in a van with everybody else and you arrive at the place and there's no really other excuse for why you're there, like, and you're not with your wife and family.
00:33:06.000I remember, like, because you've been in a world where that's all held up sort of biochemically.
00:33:11.000But, you know, what about this, Eddie?
00:33:13.000In a sense, don't you think people have had extreme addiction problems that have led to criminality and those kind of dramatic downfalls that most of the women in Path of Grace and you have had and I've had in my own ways and me, it just doesn't ever seem to end.
00:33:23.000As a matter of fact, it just keeps going on and on and on, like some sort of university of concentric, aunty esque ascendants.
00:34:35.000But I just want to say, like, there were things that I thought were okay in the beginning, and after about, it was actually seven years before I stopped cussing.
00:34:46.000I worked for Path of Grace for seven years, and then it.
00:34:50.000You were cursing your way through Papa Grace.
00:36:50.000Now, the thing is, Eddie, what you're saying, the secular world, shall we call it, culture and civilization, is trying to always generate a kind of an ambient charge.
00:37:03.000Like everywhere around you, this stimulation.
00:37:06.000Sim to get you to look at, like, I don't know, to objectify bodies, to get you to think that material objects would somehow fulfill you and satiate you.
00:37:14.000Food that's addictive, screens that are addictive, sort of just low mentality.
00:37:18.000I've been watching a lot about Mr. Rogers lately and how he just sort of came from a place of just being wholesome with everything he did.
00:37:25.000And he's talking about in the 1960s, he's saying a lot of these television shows can't be good for children.
00:37:29.000And it's like stuff like Bozo the Clown, like we'd look at totally innocuous.
00:37:32.000And now, like, everything the culture is pumping into our minds and eyes is so sort of bright and saccharine and overwhelming and deliberately so.
00:37:40.000And like, we can't live on that frequency, those of us that are called, those of us that are touched, and all of us are like in exile here, huh?
00:37:45.000I just feel like those of us that are addicts, it's like you've gone, I can't cope.
00:37:48.000I'm going to kill myself if this carries on.
00:37:50.000And like, you know, and alcohol and drugs is like an attempt to sort of stave off the suicide, basically.
00:37:55.000And like, hey, so remember what I thought was funny is one time we were in that thrift store, my father, Ron Brandy, will be watching.
00:38:44.000And can I, like, will you come in there and sort of like, just be there and like, witness it Yeah, sure.
00:38:49.000Like, it had no kind of like charge to it at all.
00:38:52.000I feel like if you'd done that in McDonald's or if you did that in any normal social cultural space, there'd be a lot of follow up questions of what?
00:39:06.000Like, we're living like a million miles away from our nature, a million miles away from our nature.
00:39:11.000The things that are considered normal, like you might say, cussing or objectification or the pornographization of everything, the desacralization of everything, not revering or regarding the things around us as beautiful, nature is beautiful.
00:39:25.000It's just become, we've become so acclimatized to it.
00:39:28.000It's pretty, sometimes it feels like a long way home.
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00:41:21.000Isaac Newton, they say, discovered gravity, they say, when watching an apple tumble from an upward branch, revealing that there's a force at the center of the earth, the earth's core, that's pulling us.
00:41:50.000I hope you understand him a little better.
00:41:51.000So, Pastor, you should encourage accountability and transparency.
00:41:54.000We saw you jet out of church before the service was even over in your Range Rover, jump curbs and flower pots, and peel out at 100 miles an hour.
00:42:01.000Why would you have 20 plus armed guards with these little participation pens waiting preemptively for an unarmed dude with a sign that has a question about financial accountability?
00:43:04.000So, Nathan, you're a filmmaker, but we know about you because we see you on Tucker and we see you tearing into mega churches and all that kind of gear.
00:43:11.000I'm like a new convert, I guess, to Christianity.
00:43:14.000At the moment, I go to all different churches.
00:43:20.000I'm having this mad, mysterious experience, like a psychedelic, transcendent experience of Christ.
00:43:25.000And yet, on some days, I just feel as normal and as worthless and as useless and as hopeless as I ever felt.
00:43:30.000So, tell me, what is your perspective on.
00:43:33.000On our Lord and what your message is, you blue eyed wonder man.
00:43:38.000Well, Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, and no one gets to the Father except through Him.
00:43:43.000That's what I would put on the table and say that's it.
00:43:46.000I was born and raised in mega churches and big churches, and I did everything under the sun.
00:43:51.000All my girlfriends came from summer camps as kids, so I sang in choir, I did it all.
00:43:57.000And then as I grew up, people that I really respected, my youth pastors, my main pastors, One was arrested for raping his adopted children from Africa, and another was divorced.
00:44:47.000Most people put their faith in their faith.
00:44:49.000So in the church, in the institution, in the experience, but you should put your faith in the God of that faith because that God is very dangerous, actually.
00:44:59.000God of the universe, Jehovah, Yahweh is a dangerous, dangerous energy.
00:45:46.000So, this idea of a sort of a wild and very potent God, one can sort of see how trying to, what do I want to say, harness that could lead to crazy mega church vibes.
00:45:58.000And where do we draw that line, Nathan?
00:46:00.000You know, how do we let God's power influence us and not turn it into some crazy corporate enterprise?
00:46:06.000Well, not turning it into the crazy corporate enterprise.
00:46:08.000Like when you look at the scripture and you look at Christ, the body of Christ is an organic, moving, breathing body.
00:46:15.000Well, you talked about it earlier with there's different parts.
00:46:18.000There's the eyes, the lips, the fingers, the toes.
00:46:20.000And as soon as we try to institutionalize that, as soon as we try to package it and sell it, that's where the problems come from.
00:46:29.000And so I always, when you look at history, I'm a big history buff.
00:46:31.000And when you look at history, especially the history of Christianity, what did that early church do in Rome?
00:46:36.000When was it initially institutionalized?
00:46:38.000That early church had no money, it didn't have big resource or big influence, but it transformed the greatest superpower of that time, Rome.
00:46:46.000And so my inspiration and my passion is how do you.
00:46:50.000Get back to that organic body to transform the greatest superpower, which is America.
00:46:56.000And then that would transform the world.
00:46:58.000But it's getting the church back to that organic body.
00:47:01.000Yes, because I think about that myself as well.
00:47:04.000I think it's living in that Babylon, it's gone through that Egypt, it's experienced that Assyria, and now it's experiencing Rome, this sort of formidable and glorious pagan and indulgent beast, huh?
00:47:16.000And yet, its groundings are Judaic, I suppose, to a degree.
00:47:22.000And isn't it the sort of the theology of Paul to decouple what's happening in the way of those of us that?
00:47:33.000But if you sort of, once you sort of, I want to say, deracinate, like if you let go of the roots of, say, Judaism and, like, say, this is a new thing now, see, I'm doing a new thing, see how it springs up.0.79
00:47:44.000How do you not let that get kind of glommed on to a culture that is so potent?0.75
00:49:12.000Once I started understanding it and I really started getting into the scripture, now I was like, when he says it is finished on the cross, there's only one conclusion either it is or it isn't.
00:49:23.000But there's the old covenant of the law and the prophets, which is the Old Testament and the new covenant.
00:49:28.000An institutional church likes to dip their toes in both of them.
00:49:32.000Because the legalism of the old covenant creates structure and institution.
00:49:36.000And then the freedom that's found in Christ, which is also a responsibility because now I'm going to take ownership of my own faith, which is the journey I think you're on in a big way.
00:50:02.000Like, it's like, and like, being killed while you're in the middle of your life is a.
00:50:07.000Not an easy feeling because, like, it's not like you know, say, I don't, you know, of course, I'm talking about myself, I'm so good at doing that, but like, you know, like if I was sort of street homeless and then I find Christ, what am I giving up?
00:50:18.000Some boxes and a sleeping bag, you know, like, I, I, my identity was this great big bloody thing, like, I've made, I've spent all my time making this false idol, this crazy tower, this golden calf, I built it up so high, and when it falls down, the Lord even shows me what he's doing, like, you know, it's like talking me through it.
00:50:36.000I always say, like, the version of, uh, Christ, I've received is like when you let children put triangles through those triangle holes or circles through the circle holes.
00:50:44.000Like, because I think fast and speak fast, I sometimes make the mistake of thinking I'm super clever, but I'm actually deceptively stupid underneath it.
00:50:53.000Like, because, like, it took me a while to realize I'm being shown this false identity you made that is now the subject of all this, in my country at least, controversy and false allegation and accusation is not real.0.72
00:51:53.000It's like, listen, we all lived here together, don't we, guys?
00:51:56.000So we're going to have to sort this.0.98
00:51:57.000I was going to say, sort this shit out, Eddie, but, you know, another of my gimmicks you've destroyed.0.98
00:52:04.000Like, you know, we're going to have to sort this situation out.0.99
00:52:06.000You know, but like, so when I go to, say, a Latin Mass, right, I'm like, ah, what this Latin Mass does is it prevents some individual church making up their whole hokey, righteous gemstone shadow puppet crap, you know?
00:52:22.000Like, you know, all right, you may feel that it's still arbitrary the candlesticks, the incense, the whatever, the whatever you want to, whatever paraphernalia you want to look To, you know, like whether it's the sacraments or whatever other cultural paraphernalia, at least it has heritage and at least it has tradition.
00:52:39.000Whereas if you're in some church today, well, like it starts to bear the inflections of just the individuals and the most charismatic individual at the center of it.
00:52:49.000The Roman Catholic Church still bears the burdens of its point of origin, but Protestant churches could be fractured and fragmented in myriad ways, and at the wrong end of it, bear the hallmarks of American commercialism in the worst possible ways.
00:53:09.000I respect most denominations because they look at the scripture and they build a theology and then they present that as doctrine.
00:53:16.000But Christ in multiple gospels says you've taken your precepts of men or your traditions of men and you've called it doctrine.
00:53:23.000So when I look at every denomination, all 55,000 denominations of Christianity, different Baskin Robin flavors today, it's all just theology, which means the interpretation of scripture.0.98
00:53:36.000Like, here's a bold statement, and you're a bold guy, so you might like this, but I've said it to my sister, I said it to my wife, and both of them were like, You are just an egotistical prick.0.97
00:54:13.000Like Matthew 25, one of the few tattoos I have, Christ separates the sheep and the goats.
00:54:18.000And he says, If you want to follow me, you're going to help the hungry, the thirsty, the naked, the poor, the prisoner, the sojourner.
00:54:23.000And when I come, I'm going to put you on my right hand.
00:54:26.000And for those who don't do that, you're going to be on my left.
00:54:29.000And that is just absolutely terrifying.
00:54:32.000So when I look at the modern institution, the traditions we've built, all of them, most of them have built institutions, and the majority of their wealth and resource and time and talent and theology goes to institutions.
00:54:51.000Church is strictly a gathering of people.
00:54:54.000It's a gathering of believers that exhort and encourage each other to go out and live like the man who showed us the way to live humbly.
00:55:06.000And when you look at the law and the prophets and all the sacrifices, the constant, for anybody who's listening who's not a Christian, the Bible is the greatest historical book ever put together.
00:55:18.000And when you get over Leviticus and those heavy books of the Torah and you start to digest, This beautiful arc of humanity's redemption in this book.
00:55:29.000And whether you tuck the apocrypha in or not, I don't care.
00:55:33.000But when you look at the overarching redemption of the Bible, you see just constant sacrifice for sin that you and I could never atone for.
00:55:43.000And then you see, per the story, a man who comes, who sacrifices his life.
00:55:49.000And whether you believe that's God incarnate or just a man who gave it all, I said this to my buddy Danny.
00:55:55.000I was like, because he can't wrap his head around Christ.
00:55:58.000And I said, well, just he is a historical figure.
00:56:05.000Like 99% of historians would agree with that.
00:56:08.000So if you see Christ for what he is and what he did, and you meet him on this pendulum of who he is for humanity and how he rippled through the world and how he, most of his teachings, built the beauty of the Western world, not the corrupt crony version of it, but the beauty of the Western world, which is.
00:56:57.000If I couldn't, Care for my parents, I just throw them out.1.00
00:57:00.000And so the Christians were all wrangling all the elders too.0.99
00:57:04.000And so, as in the worst persecution, as Christians are being fed to wolves in the Colosseum for sport and Romans are laughing, the Christians are right outside the door just picking up all these babies.0.91
00:57:14.000To where finally, the Romans in the Colosseum were like, I'd rather hang out with these people actually.0.70
00:57:21.000And that's when Constantine was like, you know what?
00:57:24.000This is the glue, this is the inspiration my empire needs to kind of bind this fracturing empire.
00:57:31.000So that's when we institutionalize it.
00:57:33.000And here's the yin and yang to all of this.
00:57:41.000There was no such thing as an orphanage before that.
00:57:44.000So that money created something beautiful hospitals, like Christians were the, like, and because of Christians, Constantine started funding hospitals.
00:57:52.000So these great, amazing, brilliant social benefits to the community were brought about by Christianity.
00:58:01.000And so I got ripped to shreds on Tucker for this.
00:58:03.000I said, Christianity is more socialist by its structure than capitalist.
00:58:10.000And I'm like, Ben Shapiro, everybody's like, he had this goonie socialist on.
00:58:48.000So, like, the thing is with your friend not being able to wrap his head around Christ, you don't want to wrap your head around Christ, you want Christ to wrap his head around you.
00:58:56.000Now, whether you want to see it as the problem of the theology of Paul, which is, you know, he's the greatest interpreter of Christ, perhaps, that there's ever yet.
00:59:06.000Like, this isn't the point, this is just, I'm just turning the engine over.
00:59:11.000Like, so, like, excuse me, I don't mean that in a rude way, just like, this isn't the bit that I'm saying, it's not the bit that I'm saying, this is just warm up.
00:59:18.000Like, The see, like, whether it's the theology of Paul, the interpretation of Paul of the message of Christ, him the only apostle that receives Christ, you know, in the risen form, apparition of Christ, rather than like, I knew that guy, I actually watched him and we met him and it blew my mind.
00:59:30.000He's like, No, he came to me, like, in my sin, in my brokenness.
00:59:34.000The sort of challenges is that you begin, like, the challenges, and there's a challenge that we're sort of like wrestling with is how do you not institutionalize it?
00:59:41.000How do we not, like, Peter at the mountaintop with Elijah and Moses, go, Oh my, we best build tents for these guys?
01:00:10.000And socialism is one way that you could express the infinite grace and compassion of Christ.
01:00:17.000The way I've got a little bit of vocabulary around that is because they say about British socialism, it owes as much to Methodism as to Marx.
01:00:24.000Because we have this different trajectory where people started to think about socialism because we're all brothers.
01:00:30.000We're all supposed to love one another, not just Das Kapital, the state should be God, everything's a bit like a machine, like the machines we're all using.
01:00:37.000No, it understands the organ, the anatomy, the body of the church.0.99
01:00:42.000So I feel like what you're brilliantly describing, I didn't mean to say fuck off like that.0.98
01:01:02.000So, my point, actually, Nathan, my point is this that, see, one of the problems we make is we think that Jung might supersede scripture, like that Jung's analysis or Freud's analysis or your or my analysis.
01:01:15.000What happened to me is this person that came to Christ late or Christ chose me late is that I already had this unbelievable vocabulary of psychedelia and New Age philosophy.
01:01:26.000And, like, so when I'm reading for the first time in my life, Genesis and Leviticus, and you're right, man, that's tough going.
01:01:52.000All the way through Job, another proto Christ, and likely as old or maybe even older than the book of Genesis, obviously not older than the origins of that story, but like.
01:02:02.000The idea that you know you are gonna suffer because even if you think you're a good guy, that apparent good guy ness is gonna burn away till it's absolutely real.
01:02:13.000And what, like, sort of struck me about it is it's like a geometry.
01:02:17.000I'm not talking about, see, everything that I'm saying is a miracle that you can understand me at all, and I'm sure some of you don't, but believe me, it makes sense.
01:02:24.000Like, that underneath the noise, there is a poetry, and underneath the poetry, there's something that's like geometry.
01:02:31.000Like, that when you are hearing him, he's talking to you underneath where you even.
01:02:37.000There is a you beyond the you that you thought you were.
01:02:40.000The you that you thought you were was some sort of false idol construct, and he's able to sort of reach through that.
01:02:46.000And sometimes, Nathan, the shock of that is killing me.
01:02:49.000And the only thing I think, this is what I think, and here's my, you know, acts would be, yeah, my go to too, obviously, because of historically, where else would you go?
01:02:58.000But also, I go to some of the orders of earlier Rome, like that they gave people the ability, like, you know, to have orders, like different orders, different monastic orders, different fraternal orders.
01:03:12.000Like over here, this is how we're going to love Christ.
01:03:18.000This is how we're going to get love cry when you try to centralize it.
01:03:21.000You would never even strive for omniscience, omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence unless you were trying to be what God and who's trying to be God, Satan.
01:04:11.000Why don't we jump into the refiner's fire instead of that?
01:04:15.000You know, but like, when you look at scripture about refining and being thrown in and the dross being burned off over and over, this is what I. Because a lot of pastors come to me, a couple very large megachurch pastors too have befriended me, and because they're not afraid of reform, which is beautiful, but they're like, What do we do?
01:04:36.000The quicker we can reform our systems, we keep bureaucracy out, we keep ego and pride and sin out.
01:04:43.000And so, like, my wife and I pray every day, God, burn me down to nothing.
01:04:47.000So when I wake up, I'm reborn in strictly you.
01:04:50.000Fill me up from my toes to my head with you.
01:04:53.000And so, I wish our institutions, our government, and our churches could think like that, where it's okay, look at the system, burn it all down.
01:06:07.000Because, like, you see how, like, you know, the three days, you know, the three days at the temple, the three days at the wedding, the three days in the tomb, it's kind of telling you in a weird poetic way.
01:06:19.000Jake's very good on the spontaneity of Him.
01:06:23.000Jake says that He would have been our Lord most spontaneous, like that He will walk along and there's a must.
01:06:29.000And there's a mountain, and like the way it reads is that way, you know.
01:07:41.000Like, you sort of try and pretend you don't know.
01:07:45.000So, like, what do you think about that and what our man Nathan's saying about the theology, like, a sort of personal theology?
01:07:51.000Yeah, I think it's what we've, What we keep getting hit with over and over again, but the idea of Christ as us is something that we don't talk about a lot.
01:07:58.000Christ in us, Christ through us, Christ as us.
01:08:01.000I don't even remember ever hearing that.
01:08:03.000I mean, you can go, you're going to be a little Christ walking around as a model, but I mean, the theology of Nathan, I mean, that's really what it is.
01:10:20.000And so God's wrestling with himself because he's this energy out there and he's come down as man and he's saying, I don't want this cup, man, like because I'm going to have to suffer.
01:10:30.000And so he's sitting there, but he still says, It's not my physical will, but yours.
01:10:44.000Well, and there's huge, I don't know, the Bible is so brilliant.
01:10:47.000You can go back to Jacob and Esau, you can go back to Cain and Abel, you can go all the way back to the garden with this, but it's God coming down and needing to want to feel everything that Russell's going to feel and say, I'm going to sit here.
01:11:01.000And the most badass thing he could have done was die on that cross.
01:11:18.000So, spiritual rebellion precedes the fall of man if you want to get into chronos time rather than the Kairos where it's demanded that we must remain.
01:11:25.000Like, what I'm saying is that, see, when you said that the garden of Gethsemane, and that was very smart because I didn't know that till you said it.
01:11:32.000So, that means you told me something, and I hate that.
01:11:36.000You better quote him every time from here on out.