Stay Free - Russel Brand - "No One Is Talking About This!” - M.I.A - #043 - Stay Free with Russell Brand

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00:01:42.000 Hello and welcome to today's show, Subcutaneous, where I have a deep dive, cut to the bone, under the skin conversation with a guest on the issues that you care about most.

00:01:52.000 Today I'm talking to M.I.A., Maya, the rapper, hip-hop artist, recording artist, and sensational thinker and writer.

00:02:01.000 It's a wonderful conversation with someone who's been on the Who's been on the inside of the celebrity machine, who's experienced fame, who's experienced establishment power from both sides.

00:02:12.000 I hope you enjoy this conversation.

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00:02:19.000 The modern world in stage nine made men and women seek boundaries. 0.79

00:02:28.000 They made borders to divide money, land, identities, ideas, Families, tribes, beliefs of all sorts constantly searching for the edges of the boundaries of what their type of human is through constantly defining themselves.

00:02:46.000 They wanted to be safe, so they always found ways to box themselves in.

00:02:52.000 Then, they became heritable, like sheep.

00:02:55.000 So a box did not seem so bad.

00:02:58.000 Humans believed they evolved from a single-celled bacterium.

00:03:02.000 In this sense, they felt they had more time.

00:03:06.000 Billions of years, in fact, to evolve.

00:03:12.000 Earth was born with a sense of sun and nine planets surrounding it.

00:03:17.000 Seven god planets and two demon planets.

00:03:21.000 These planets are represented by nine gems found in the Earth's dust, Navarathinam, named in the first and oldest surviving language, called Tamil.

00:03:33.000 Ruby, Pearl, Coral, Emerald, Yellow Sapphire, Diamond, Blue Sapphire, Hessanite, and Cat's Eye.

00:03:42.000 Towards the end, these resources were considered common, and the water and air began to be considered precious.

00:03:54.000 Then it goes on to the god bit, explaining who the gods are and then who the demons are and the war.

00:04:05.000 And the war between the gods and the demons sucks up like everybody on planet earth and they're confused or under the impression.

00:04:16.000 Stay on mic mate.

00:04:17.000 Under the impression between Yeah, everything.

00:04:24.000 All the wars between the gods and the demons.

00:04:26.000 It's really beautiful.

00:04:28.000 I can hear you just from the extract that you're reaching for a deep truth that the function of mythology is to connect with something interior and ulterior.

00:04:41.000 And I can see You know you're obviously a brilliant artist so it's beautifully rendered even in the 60 seconds or so that I've just heard and I can see why in this time of chaos you would see its relevance but you're saying that you started writing this when?

00:04:58.000 I started writing it after I made Borders and then fell out with the, well not really fell out, my record contract came to an end I didn't know what I was going to do as an artist, whether to go more into actual painting art, you know, that kind of stuff, or make a movie, you know, but while I was thinking about these things, cause everyone was like, you know, maybe work on a TV series, which I, which I was thinking about, about, about sort of the Tamil struggle, but this just kept happening, you know,

00:05:40.000 There was a deeper thing that just kept happening, which was a spiritual thing that I was going through.

00:05:45.000 And it sort of wrote itself, you know, and I didn't really show it to anyone for three years or something until the day I actually put it down and recorded it.

00:06:00.000 It was the first time two people heard it, you know, and to this day, no one's really heard it.

00:06:05.000 So, It's going to be on, I'm making a website called Omni.com and Omni was again, one of those spaces I wanted to build that was away from YouTube and everywhere else where you get censored and can't have

00:06:24.000 Free speech or speak about things that are just like a bit bigger than, I don't know, making a record.

00:06:31.000 Something weird's going on, isn't it, mate?

00:06:33.000 Like, I think that we've been in the public eye for a sort of during a similar period.

00:06:39.000 And even though we're working in some regard in different fields, the way that you're talking to me now makes me feel that we might have had comparable experiences in some ways.

00:06:48.000 And I'm talking about you from how it looked from the outside.

00:06:52.000 Is it look like you Like, exploded into the culture, became very feted, celebrated, awarded, presumably super rich, and all those kind of things that come with being famous and that.

00:07:03.000 And then, like most people, what happens to them, it seems to me, again, from the outside, is most people recognize that they're doing a deal, and that the deal is you stay within that system.

00:07:14.000 But now speaking for myself, it's like something happened in me that I didn't like.

00:07:18.000 Something that was reawoken in me that was always there from when I was a little kid.

00:07:22.000 Like this ain't real and this isn't serving the thing that I thought it was going to serve.

00:07:26.000 And I was feeling, instead of full up, I was feeling like I was being emptied.

00:07:30.000 And I started to feel a major, major distrust for the thing that I was being co-opted by.

00:07:35.000 And it scares me because, you know, speaking plainly, I still like attention.

00:07:39.000 I like power.

00:07:41.000 I don't want to be poor ever again.

00:07:43.000 All those kind of things I imagine a lot of people have.

00:07:45.000 But it feels like you're very deliberately breaking away from the culture.

00:07:49.000 Are you aware of the kind of things that happen when you try and do that?

00:07:52.000 And as much as that sort of thing started to happen to you yet, what I mean specifically is that you get attacked and all of that kind of stuff.

00:07:58.000 Oh, I've been through it about 20 times.

00:08:00.000 Yeah, have you?

00:08:01.000 Yeah, from day one.

00:08:03.000 Right.

00:08:04.000 What do you mean?

00:08:05.000 And how?

00:08:05.000 And tell me about it.

00:08:07.000 Well, when I first came out in 2005, they wanted to edit out Sunshowers, the first song that ever came out, because it said, like, PLO, I don't surrender.

00:08:22.000 So that already got me on.

00:08:25.000 That was the first thing that got me on the scene of the You know, people watching.

00:08:31.000 And then I think I just did a lot to sort of around the mainstream, you know, that I made a new scene because of that sort of thing.

00:08:48.000 You know, it gave people that weren't into the mainstream somewhere else to go.

00:08:54.000 And that's kind of how this thing became what it is.

00:08:57.000 And it is that now, you know, that, that what popular culture is, is the music that I did put out 2005, but at the time I put it out, it, it, it wasn't mainstream.

00:09:08.000 It was the fringe, you know?

00:09:11.000 And I had FBI turn up to like one of the first few venues handing out leaflets outside saying, don't book her cause she's a terrorist sympathizer, you know?

00:09:24.000 I would have all kinds of, you know, you name it, I've been cancelled for it, you know, from terrorism to Islamophobia, you know, cause I, I wore a burka to some awards show once and that was seen as very hostile and, um, the Maya album, I, you know, Talking about the Arab Spring and stuff like that, that got me in a lot of trouble.

00:09:55.000 Then I supported WikiLeaks, got me in loads of trouble.

00:10:00.000 Then I was called racist, which got me in loads of trouble.

00:10:04.000 So these are like big things, you know, and also part of me.

00:10:09.000 Also, I think I had personal problems because I split up with my partner who Was the music industry, you know, and yeah, so there you have it.

00:10:26.000 So you recognize that when, if you are an artist, you make these choices.

00:10:31.000 You obviously, you have a creative impulse and a great creative ability, and then you move into this place where it becomes commodified and it's a series of compromises.

00:10:39.000 And then it seems like some pretty aggressive attempts to control and manipulate what the world does.

00:10:45.000 That's really interesting you want to talk about this because I did think about this because I was like, I need to go on there and say, I'm setting up Omni.com as a safe space, a safe space where I could just be creative, upload some free content.

00:11:03.000 There's going to be like a donate button where people could donate to it.

00:11:06.000 It's not a subscription.

00:11:07.000 If you want to keep the information free, from those tethers, you know, from those restrictions, from it becoming politicised content or agendered content, you know, for creativity to exist completely in its limitless form.

00:11:34.000 And ultimately everything is about creativity and You know, even this book itself, it's about God and creation and the creation of the universe and having to fight 50-50.

00:11:48.000 You know, the demons want 50% of it.

00:11:51.000 And gods are like, no, we control the universe and that's the war.

00:11:56.000 So there's two sides and, you know, they both deal in propaganda in order to win the war.

00:12:05.000 You know, and they use humans and propaganda machines in order to win this war, you know, and so this piece of work needed to exist somewhere that was pure, you know, I didn't want it to be a monetized space and I'm trying to not even have cookies on that, you know, I want it to be really clean and Also, I need to feel that I can exist on the planet and make work that I don't have to compromise who I am and my journey and my exploration into what being a human is, you know, just to suit the times that you're born in.

00:12:54.000 Yes, it's very challenging, Maya, because when you're in this kind of territory, and by that I mean the territory of myths, when you're dealing with ulterior truths, when you're dealing with things that are not mechanised and observable, but things that are deeply felt and have been prevalent as you say in your reading and of your reading in arcane cultures and pre-civilized cultures and themes and ideas that recur throughout you know christianity islam there's loads veda when you're dealing in this territory do you feel like that the terrain that you're taking it into is quite opposed to it and is very keen to frame it as like crazy and i don't think they have i would not i i i

00:13:42.000 I have a problem with this because first I took this to Harper, you know, at Publishers and they were up for it and they're like, we'll publish it.

00:13:54.000 But then a part of me, it was just before COVID, or just as COVID, we didn't know what COVID was at this point, but we'd heard like, it was like the first week or something.

00:14:08.000 But then I felt that There was so much narrative, there's so much like, I don't know how to put this, but I just didn't trust the system to put my book through it because the fairness in which a creative is judged or work is judged or your IP is

00:14:45.000 I don't feel comfortable because I've gone through that as an artist.

00:14:55.000 People say that I'm very ahead of the time with whatever I do and that's a blessing and a curse because sometimes people just use you for that.

00:15:09.000 You know, and when I first came out as a musician, all my managers used to say, Oh, you're an artist, artist, you make work to inspire artists to make other work.

00:15:20.000 And they're the ones that get rich, you know?

00:15:22.000 So I didn't become as rich as everybody thinks I did because you're the thing that inspires the thing.

00:15:28.000 And then they, everyone takes that inspiration, but they're the ones that are actually, you know, promoted and, Because they don't question the narrative or the agenda or whatever, you know.

00:15:44.000 So they've been able to achieve way more success or fame but with The essence of what you do, you know?

00:15:51.000 Yes.

00:15:52.000 But this is very personal, this story to me, because it's almost like a, you know, it's a little bit autobiographical, I would say, is, you know, these are the complications I was having as a Tamil artist in the West, you know, having spent time in Hinduism And obviously my dad is super political and was an atheist, but comes from a Catholic background.

00:16:23.000 And then I had like a vision of Jesus Christ and I've been quite public about it.

00:16:31.000 So I was very confused about all these things and needed to make something, you know, and it needed to be discussed in something, a longer format than making a record, you know, and I didn't want producers or any other people involved.

00:16:49.000 Like it had to be your own record, you know, of what you saw.

00:16:55.000 But anyway, there is a line now when I, so I, I kind of wrote it and then didn't listen to it for ages.

00:17:01.000 And, um, there's a thing, there's a line in there about Agenda 2020, but I didn't know about it, you know, at the time.

00:17:12.000 So it just sort of comes from somewhere, you know, and, um, So it was and also just like the fact that it's um so this book is called Omni9 and it's nine chapters that are nine minutes long and it's about the nine stages of evolution in one universe like cycle and

00:17:42.000 It connects, basically, the importance of, say, in Hinduism, we have this thing called Navaratri, where you fast for nine days, and it's dedicated to the three goddesses.

00:17:53.000 So, our trifecta in Tamil culture, it's not like the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but it's Shiva, Vishnu, and Brahma, you know, and that's where the sound Aum comes from.

00:18:08.000 So, Aum, which is A-U-M, is um the creator which is basically your base you know and where your reproductive organ is and then um the or sound or or you is from your like middle part of your body that's your heart so

00:18:39.000 Um, that's basically the sustainer who keeps you alive is the heart.

00:18:46.000 And then Shiva, which is the mental one, and that's the ending syllable, which is mm.

00:18:53.000 So that's a heady sound where you make it in your head.

00:18:55.000 And that's basically Shiva's, uh, role is he's a destroyer and he's supposed to destroy ignorance, you know?

00:19:04.000 So those are the trifectas in Hinduism of creation, sustaining and destroying ignorance. 0.91

00:19:13.000 I love the way, excuse me, carry on.

00:19:15.000 Yes, and then in Christianity they have the same sort of concepts and I really wanted to explore, you know, the interconnectedness of those things.

00:19:27.000 I like the way you describe the process of sterilization, that when you come into a culture that is driven by commodity and commerce, they will recognize that there is a value in true creativity.

00:19:39.000 But it goes through a process of homogenization, and there are enough people that are willing to represent on that level.

00:19:45.000 The culture ultimately wants artifacts that do not challenge the system in and of itself.

00:19:51.000 Sterilized and sanitized versions, imitations of creativity that lack creativity's dangerous,

00:19:57.000 serrated edges. I like that it sounds like what you're attempting to do in this piece of work

00:20:03.000 is re-engage the sacred and that which the organic ulterior pre-existing truths that we've perhaps

00:20:10.000 lost connection with.

00:20:11.000 I'll just share a little personal story with you.

00:20:14.000 Yesterday, I went back to the town I'm from, Greys, in Essex, which has been inveigled in this mad corruption where £1.5 billion has been lost through shady investments and has meant that local amenities like the Thameside Theatre and Library are being closed down.

00:20:29.000 I was involved there in some campaign and we were talking about how corruption has become sort of normal in government and how creativity and art is sidelined.

00:20:38.000 And certain communities, you don't even think they deserve creativity and art.

00:20:41.000 Gray's just some normal town in Essex.

00:20:43.000 They don't need no art or anything there.

00:20:44.000 They'd be lucky if their bins get collected.

00:20:47.000 And there was a moment in the conversation where we were talking to one of my mates who's like a fireman and this woman, Dr. Chetna Kang, I think is her name.

00:20:54.000 And we're talking about like how leaders have lost their values and have been consumed by systems of darkness.

00:21:01.000 And It's very hard because I think everyone recognises that we are at the end of a cycle.

00:21:07.000 People recognise things are falling apart.

00:21:10.000 That even the stuff that we do on our channel, we're continually reporting about centralised global power that's infiltrating and bypassing democratic authority in ways that can be demonstrated, like the response to coronavirus, which was broadly speaking adopted everywhere in the world without a democratic process.

00:21:25.000 And without being fully, like, the complexities of that have never been addressed.

00:21:29.000 Even now we're seeing them celebrating Chinese protesters, even though when they were protesting, like, these Western-type countries.

00:21:36.000 It's mental, isn't it? 0.93

00:21:38.000 And what it seems like you are expressing, and in a way that I imagine must be pretty hard for you to carry, mate, I know that it is hard to do this stuff, that it sort of takes you out of, well, speaking for myself, it takes me out of my route of, like, oh, God, I don't know who the fuck I am, like, when I give myself over to this stuff.

00:21:54.000 Is reaching for some real values because people have not got any principles or values to turn to because everyone's been told I like to even that minute there you said everything unfolding from a single cell when all you have is materialism when all you have is the spatial and temporal dimensions to refer to that it limits you it does put you in a box and it makes it easier to put you in other boxes but once you start alluding to and referring to things that sound occultist or mystic people think you're a nut And they want to define you as such.

00:22:24.000 Well, this is, this is not, you know, this is something that I created, you know, from the ether.

00:22:32.000 And it's, it's my experience as being a musician and working with sound, you know, and basically there's five elements, which is Like, it does sound nutty to be like, okay, before, before science came along, people knew that it was water, fire, earth, air.

00:22:58.000 And in India we have, um, Akash, which is the fifth element.

00:23:02.000 So Hollywood makes movies like the fifth element, but we've never had it defined what the fifth element is.

00:23:08.000 So the fifth element is considered sound and universe was made with sound.

00:23:13.000 And in Christianity, they say, It's made with word, you know, so word is sound.

00:23:20.000 So I'm interested in, um, words and sounds.

00:23:26.000 And it was only a matter of time before I kind of took a deeper interest in it, you know, beyond making records that people could go to Spotify and stream my new record.

00:23:37.000 It only came out a month ago.

00:23:39.000 You know, that exists, but this is something else that I feel like that suits where I'm at right now, you know?

00:23:48.000 And my thing is, since YouTube and Google and all of these things, which is one of the things that I got banned for a long time ago for saying connected to the Google, connected to the government 13 years ago or something.

00:24:03.000 Yeah.

00:24:04.000 13 years ago I said that.

00:24:05.000 So I was banned by Google straight from the beginning, you know, and when they reset my YouTube views, when views became a thing where as an artist it's so important, that's how you get judged.

00:24:17.000 They were already resetting my views every year.

00:24:20.000 So it would just constantly, you know, and some of it is to do with monetization where companies were changing hands.

00:24:27.000 So YouTube Interscope will, Go and make a deal with YouTube and then Apple and then, you know, sell their catalogue to somebody else.

00:24:36.000 And so every time that happens, always my views get reset to zero, you know?

00:24:42.000 So if you go on YouTube and look at my song, it will say uploaded 15 years ago, but it will have like, you know, 50,000 views, which is not true.

00:24:52.000 I'm literally the artist that happened in the time of YouTube blowing up, you know?

00:25:00.000 And even made all these spaces like MySpace and YouTube and all these spaces cool because I created all these extra content that went with my record, unlike other artists who just totally walk the line of how to make a record and do promo content.

00:25:18.000 You know, that's all very corporate and calculated.

00:25:23.000 I was making way more reactionary work, which was, you know, sort of reflective of the times and connected to what

00:25:33.000 people were actually going through in society.

00:25:35.000 So all these little, little videos, like 2007, I filmed police brutality in New York, you know,

00:25:45.000 of the police beating up this black kid outside my flat and in New York City and Pepper spraying

00:25:54.000 him and all this sort of stuff. And even things like that, I would just put straight on YouTube

00:25:59.000 and people would talk about it and be informed by it and stuff like that. And so.

00:26:08.000 Being somebody, I feel like, who inspired the Silicon Valley kids who would come to your show and be inspired, and they're now the leaders of Silicon Valley, to be censored is very annoying, you know, but that is because it became more and more political and, you know, like Google did become political and did change their ethos from We don't do evil or something like that and changed it.

00:26:39.000 I can't remember what it was.

00:26:41.000 But, um, so I think in these times, someone had to just put all these things together.

00:26:50.000 You know, it's, it's sort of a way of saying, and, and I, I watch all these things on YouTube and, or Ted talks and this and that, and I just don't get, I never feel it hits me because Everything's put through this also this like white man thing, you know, where they see it in a very, in a very, it's very hard to say, but not really monetized sense.

00:27:20.000 But the understanding is, even watching, say, Jordan Peterson, his understanding does just go back to the beginning of the Abrahamic religion, you know, and the importance of that, but it's very difficult for him to speak about

00:27:34.000 anything before then, you know.

00:27:37.000 And I feel like even he has certain parameters that he's working in, you know, and it's very

00:27:46.000 difficult to bring him over to certain other parts of understanding.

00:27:55.000 I think even the most expansive thinkers and intellectuals do have parameters.

00:28:02.000 And I even consider myself to be someone that is quite capable of three thinking, mobile, four open to difficult and opposing ideas.

00:28:11.000 But of course, I don't know where I am unconscious.

00:28:14.000 I don't know what lies beyond my various No.

00:28:17.000 No.

00:28:17.000 I think I'm really into wisdom.

00:28:18.000 have a kind of a cultural heritage that's connected to rebellion that makes you adversarial

00:28:28.000 to the censorship and authoritarianism of what might be called the current regime?

00:28:33.000 No, no. I think I'm really into wisdom and I think wisdom, you know, like you speak to Vandana Shiva and she's

00:28:49.000 fighting a system, right, that believes it's doing the right thing.

00:28:58.000 And it's very difficult to criticize this system and the people involved, right, that they're untouchable.

00:29:07.000 Ultimately, they all speak the words that they've learnt in India.

00:29:13.000 They all go off and do this little moment where they, you know, whether you're talking about Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Jobs or all of these people have taken the wisdom of the East, but even the conversation that Kanye is having now about the Star of David and the swastika, you know, the wisdom from the East always gets perverted when it comes to the West, you know?

00:29:37.000 It never gets put right.

00:29:38.000 And there is a political context, like my father's one of those main people that writes very boring reference books about history and politics and started a revolution and did all of these things.

00:29:53.000 And those factual academic elements exist and they exist in my, you know, life.

00:30:03.000 But beyond that, just the philosophical and spiritual level, I think, you know, my dad wasn't very interested in the spiritual level, but I am because, because something is happening.

00:30:18.000 We're all going through it.

00:30:20.000 You're talking about it.

00:30:22.000 And I think, you know, everyone's having this moment where truth is kind of coming out and We're in this massive change where they're saying, this is it.

00:30:33.000 This is the moment where humans evolve to the next cyborg level.

00:30:37.000 You know, this is the human beings that we are now will never exist again in the future.

00:30:43.000 You know, this is, we are the last generation of this organic material human.

00:30:49.000 And yet nobody's having this conversation except for everyone saying, yeah, great.

00:30:55.000 Let's bring on transhumanism. 1.00

00:30:57.000 Bring on all the stuff, but these ideas just came from the seventies.

00:31:01.000 Like they're not even that old.

00:31:02.000 It's probably as old as me, you know?

00:31:04.000 And, and so to straddle something in your mind where you're pushed to follow something that just got invented 50 years ago and then come from a culture that maybe is, you know, 30,000 years old or something.

00:31:21.000 And you haven't even been given the time to explore it.

00:31:23.000 You know, and discuss these things.

00:31:25.000 Meanwhile, you know, tech comes along and they're just like, humans are hackable. 0.99

00:31:32.000 They're all useless. 0.99

00:31:32.000 Let's just get rid of them. 0.99

00:31:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:35.000 And, but you're like, wow, each, if each in Africa, they believe each person is like a library. 0.96

00:31:40.000 When somebody dies, you know, you lose a library.

00:31:43.000 And I just feel like we haven't explored enough.

00:31:49.000 What we are capable of before we ruin it, you know?

00:31:55.000 Like, I just, I want to, like, learn this software, you know, before we go on to the next one.

00:32:03.000 Vandana Shiva talks a lot about desacralisation, that we've lost our connection to the sacred, that because there have been evident advances in certain spheres, like in medicine and technology and science, there's been a steep trajectory, steep advances, it seems that we have neglected these other arcane territories, these 30,000 year old libraries, these

00:32:22.000 deep wisdom traditions have been lost.

00:32:24.000 And perhaps, Maya, that's not a coincidence, because perhaps to advance in the direction

00:32:29.000 that it appears that we are, into transhumanism, into centralized power, into people being

00:32:34.000 neutered, censored, curtailed and controlled, invited to live quiet, dim lives.

00:32:40.000 So dim.

00:32:41.000 You can't have people that have got fire in their bellies from thousands of years ago,

00:32:44.000 people that have got Shiva energy and Kali energy and deep, deep fire in their belly.

00:32:49.000 That's not the kind of thing you can have unleashed in this culture.

00:32:52.000 You know what it's like when you look around, when you walk around everyone bouncing back at themselves from a flat blank screen.

00:32:57.000 People are being lost in a loop of self.

00:33:00.000 Even if they're not looking at a screen, like I walk around London and I'm so surprised like how dim and dull it is.

00:33:09.000 It's almost like It's almost like, you know, this new technology that they want to put inside your body to track your whatever.

00:33:20.000 And, and last week your Harari uploaded a thing saying, consciousness is your ability to suffer. 0.65

00:33:29.000 And it's like, no.

00:33:30.000 And who is he to define that?

00:33:32.000 Who is he to define that?

00:33:34.000 How does he get to decide the fate of 7 billion people on this planet?

00:33:41.000 And who is right and who's wrong and who's in and who's out and who's cool and who's, who is making these decisions about human beings.

00:33:50.000 And that's like, so bizarre to say, Oh, the consciousness.

00:33:56.000 And that's what my book is.

00:33:57.000 It's about the definition of consciousness and the demons realize that the only way to get hold and take over the entire universe is through consciousness.

00:34:07.000 but gods have put in like a backdoor thing on consciousness and the demons are trying to find it to hack it.

00:34:16.000 You know, it's like literally my book.

00:34:19.000 So when he comes out and says that in real life, like this is not fiction.

00:34:26.000 My book is fiction.

00:34:28.000 It's not real.

00:34:30.000 It is complete mythology I made up in my head, you know.

00:34:34.000 But this guy just came out and said, that is a fact, you know, that they wanna hack your consciousness

00:34:43.000 and consciousness is this very limited thing about you suffering, which means it's okay for you to

00:34:50.000 suffer and we're gonna make you suffer 0.99

00:34:52.000 because it just means you're more conscious, doesn't it?

00:34:55.000 And it's like, no, consciousness can mean anything.

00:34:59.000 We don't even know yet.

00:35:01.000 You know, we haven't, none of us have the ability to define that because we haven't even raised our society in that way to know.

00:35:08.000 Because we've dimmed people down and we've suppressed their intellect into this rigid structure that they wouldn't even be able to know what is consciousness.

00:35:20.000 You know, removed from its, like you said, the walls and the parameters that we put on culturally, politically, identity politics, the time that we're alive.

00:35:35.000 And, you know, the thing is also the human Being our lifespan is pretty short and I feel like we suffer from amnesia, which is why we're so obsessed from collecting data.

00:35:49.000 Like our entire existence is just obsession with data collection right now.

00:35:57.000 How are you going to tell me about consciousness when it's such a, you know, cold thing to collect data on this thing and

00:36:10.000 think you're going to analyze it and define what it is, you know. To me that's just like, what if this

00:36:18.000 tool is not good enough yet to study that?

00:36:22.000 I think you're right.

00:36:23.000 And this is, I think, part of the nature of prophecy is attunement to ideas that are atemporal and aspatial, beyond space and time, perennial, ever-present, constant, circular, as you have indicated.

00:36:38.000 I've spoken to Yuval Noah Harari on a couple of occasions, come on here, to promote books,

00:36:44.000 you know, a few years ago, and I'd not heard of his, like, connections to Davos and WF.

00:36:49.000 In fact, I didn't even really know what those things are or were, like, I learned about

00:36:53.000 those things since I've been involved in this game.

00:36:56.000 And what I feel is that there are certain intellectuals, and like, on a personal level,

00:37:00.000 he was like a nice guy, and I think he was there with his boyfriend and that, or maybe

00:37:03.000 husband, and I thought he was, like, cool and quite nice.

00:37:06.000 But when I was listening to his ideas, the ideas that he espouses and underwrites academically

00:37:11.000 ultimately all lead to support of centralized power and the inevitability of technological

00:37:18.000 advancement and technocratic power, a cadre of experts imposing dictatorship.

00:37:24.000 Through technological power.

00:37:25.000 And I think that, let's call it the system.

00:37:28.000 And also, you can see, also, Maya, the perversion of ideas like both Christianity and Buddhism, of course, explore the significance of suffering. 0.83

00:37:28.000 Yes. 0.83

00:37:38.000 The cause of suffering is desire, is of course sort of a central tenet of the idea of Buddhism.

00:37:42.000 And the central image of Christianity is the crucified deity, the suffering of the deity.

00:37:48.000 But I enjoy what I have understood of Vedic literature's advocacy of bliss consciousness.

00:37:56.000 The potential... Can we have a bit more of that?

00:37:59.000 I'd like some.

00:38:00.000 That is why I'm here.

00:38:01.000 Thanks for bringing the bliss.

00:38:02.000 Yeah, bliss, joy, and yeah, I think that is a great way to see consciousness.

00:38:10.000 Your ability to tap into the bliss.

00:38:13.000 You know what's happening, mate, is it feels like the potential of the future is being curtailed.

00:38:18.000 The people saying, we've got reality all stitched up and all sewn up.

00:38:21.000 This is what we are.

00:38:22.000 We're going to manage your, like in politics, they're just about managing decline.

00:38:26.000 In technology, they're just about creating like the cyborg transhuman movement and even maybe getting off the planet. 0.98

00:38:32.000 There's no sort of sense that there may be other layers of reality that we're not accessing.

00:38:37.000 If they haven't designed technology, To look at themselves, to be like, why are we such psychopaths?

00:38:44.000 I don't believe in the technology they make.

00:38:50.000 Exactly.

00:38:50.000 Well, why wouldn't you make a piece of technology that lets you know what is wrong with you and that why you want that much power and to destroy the world and make everything really boring?

00:39:03.000 And why?

00:39:05.000 You know, and, and The adverts that I get in terms of, you know, when, when the computer listens to you and gives you ads that suit your thing.

00:39:17.000 And today the one that I'm getting is that, um, you know, cows are really dangerous for global warming.

00:39:17.000 Yeah.

00:39:26.000 They're going to give it pills.

00:39:28.000 So they're going to give cows, you know, so all of these, this, Young girl was pitching her startup company where she's made this company which is supposed to be great so I'm sure she's getting billions in funding right for this climate change thing that she's doing where she's basically making pills out of algae

00:39:50.000 To give to feed to cows and the cows are just going to fart less, right?

00:39:55.000 And not produce methane, which is going to save the planet.

00:39:59.000 And I'm like, that makes crazy like sense.

00:40:05.000 Not sense as in it's like, but for a 25 year old in a university in New York, I get how it makes sense to her, but it makes no sense to me.

00:40:17.000 And probably not to Vandana Shiva, where you're going to have to open up a new factory to produce all these pills.

00:40:25.000 You know, all this electricity is going to take to collect data on that.

00:40:29.000 Then you're going to store the data of that pill-taking cow, you know, and monitor all these things. 0.77

00:40:35.000 So you're just like, surely that can't be the answer.

00:40:41.000 And weren't cows around forever?

00:40:44.000 I mean, Indian people, I think that the kind of solutions that are presented are the sorts of solutions that centralise power, materialise power, commodify power. 1.00

00:40:59.000 I know there is more complexity to the contributions to excess methane than just stopping a cow far in with Algae.

00:41:08.000 I know that having listened to Vandana on this very subject and numerous agricultural activists, the type of methane that's released at this level is there's more to it.

00:41:16.000 There are different types of it, different strands of it.

00:41:18.000 But it seems like that all of the solutions that we're offered are solutions that do not interrupt the trajectory of the powerful and their objectives and their agenda.

00:41:27.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:41:28.000 They never use it on themselves.

00:41:30.000 Like they never use the machines on themselves to ask Why their choice, you know, 50 years ago, whatever choice they made got us to this point with climate change.

00:41:46.000 If that is the point they're making, whatever they made 50 years ago, whatever decision they took and whatever they thought was great and funded, you know, brought us to this point.

00:41:58.000 So if you cannot ask yourself, what the hell am I doing now?

00:42:02.000 You know, so I don't do this 50 years from now.

00:42:05.000 I'm not interested in what that person's got to say.

00:42:08.000 You know, I don't think that person is thinking right, you know, and we need more accountability.

00:42:16.000 We need the UN and WEF, IMF, World Bank, whoever it is.

00:42:24.000 You know, the American government, every company that Vandana Shiva's fighting, we need them to be like, 50 years ago, we made this decision.

00:42:35.000 And we thought it was great.

00:42:37.000 We thought it was really great to stop people dying.

00:42:41.000 So we gave them all these vaccines, you know, to save them.

00:42:45.000 So the population of earth would be better and bigger.

00:42:48.000 We thought that, so we did it.

00:42:50.000 You know, we went to all the countries 50 years ago and we made sure that it was mandated that all children took polio vaccines and took typhoid vaccines and took all these things, which is all great because that's how the population grew.

00:43:04.000 So.

00:43:06.000 If you look at the population growth from 19, say 1920 to 2020, it went from like 1.5 billion to now, which is 8 billion, right?

00:43:19.000 Which is like an insane amount of growth.

00:43:22.000 But that is obviously to do with science.

00:43:24.000 It's to do with science and medicine, you know, and access to clean water and things like that.

00:43:30.000 And so we have to look at decisions that have been made in the past.

00:43:37.000 And my dad, this is a personal story.

00:43:41.000 So, and you met my father, so I'm telling you this, but when I was a little girl, I had to give up spending like four or five years with my dad because my dad was employed by the Indian Ministry of Agriculture.

00:43:57.000 And so the compromise was that we were going to starve to death and he'd have no job or

00:44:02.000 he would take this job, even though he was a revolutionary in Sri Lanka.

00:44:06.000 And that's what he was doing.

00:44:07.000 He was the leader of Eros.

00:44:09.000 He took this job with the Indian government because he had an engineering background.

00:44:16.000 He took a job and he went.

00:44:19.000 So at the time, India was 90% agricultural.

00:44:23.000 Okay.

00:44:24.000 90% of India was agricultural.

00:44:26.000 And they sent my dad around all of India researching for four years, where my dad combining his engineering skills, designed all these machines where farmers would live off their land and would not be on the grid.

00:44:41.000 So they wouldn't need all this sort of infrastructure and they could just self-generate using what they had.

00:44:47.000 And he built very simple machinery that worked with cows plowing and, you know, water, bicycles, like lots of sort of self-sustaining things.

00:44:57.000 And so they were like ideas that you could implement all across India, didn't cost anything and didn't, wasn't taxing on fossil fuels to run.

00:45:11.000 Okay.

00:45:13.000 So four years came up.

00:45:15.000 And my dad takes the briefcase and my mom basically says, F you, you know, you're not here.

00:45:24.000 I'm leaving.

00:45:25.000 And so we lived in India that whole time in hiding.

00:45:29.000 And my mom and my dad split up over the fact that he was gone doing this job for so long and was never there for the kids.

00:45:38.000 And my sister actually contracted typhoid and she was going to die.

00:45:43.000 So we had a choice of either saving my sister in hospital and leaving or staying there for my, you know, for my dad to finish.

00:45:54.000 So my mom moved us back to Sri Lanka to the war zone and, you know, got family to help.

00:46:01.000 In that time, my dad took the briefcase to the Indian government and he was like, here's what I've done, but now I gotta go and find my wife.

00:46:10.000 And the Indian government happened to be, this is 1983 or something like that.

00:46:17.000 Yeah, 83.

00:46:18.000 And they turn around and it was the same time that Monsanto and all of these glamorous, beautiful Western companies with technology coming in.

00:46:33.000 And so in the office, the Indian government had two briefcases.

00:46:37.000 One is my dad's boring briefcase, which was self-sustaining.

00:46:40.000 90% of Indian farms.

00:46:43.000 Yeah.

00:46:44.000 Or the shiny golden briefcase of modern technology and modern Ways to monetize farming or fertilizers.

00:46:57.000 It's going to give you more product and all of this stuff.

00:47:00.000 And obviously the guy in office at the time told my dad to F off and took the shiny briefcase.

00:47:10.000 He was probably in power for about four years or eight years.

00:47:14.000 Then he Fs off, you know, Leaving India within 40 years of that happening from 1983 to the minute you're interviewing Wandana Shiva, the destruction of Indian agriculture, the dependency on fertilizer in the West, the monetization of their food industry and now, you know, people buying off farmlands and farmers killing themselves.

00:47:40.000 All of this happens, and it's happening in my lifetime.

00:47:44.000 I've witnessed that.

00:47:45.000 Like, I've actually sacrificed my time with my father, yeah, for him to come up with ways that India could have sustained itself without these things.

00:47:57.000 But they said no, because the idea wasn't sexy and cool, you know?

00:48:03.000 And at the time it was not a cool thing.

00:48:08.000 My dad was very depressed after that.

00:48:12.000 So he came back to Sri Lanka and so late 80s, the Sri Lankan government banned the Tamil Tigers from energy and power and water, you know, resources, food, everything.

00:48:31.000 So the leader of the Tamil Tigers bought this information from my dad and sustain the Tamil people in the Bundy area in the north, you know, which is like a million people in the north, on this information.

00:48:47.000 And that's how they survived from the 80s to 2008.

00:48:51.000 From building their own infrastructure, where they survived for 25 years without power and water and, you know, a bit like Palestine, I guess, in that sense, when they cut off from everything, they were able to build organic farming and, um, you know, good irrigation systems and were able to generate electricity using a bicycle or whatever, you know, people did that and survived.

00:49:20.000 And so whatever was in that briefcase works and it worked, you know, and then you fast forward to now 2020.

00:49:32.000 That's what you have.

00:49:33.000 You have India, you know, having to do this insane change and become, you know, dependent on the technological structure that's in place, which is like, we need to regulate everything.

00:49:54.000 We need to know how many potatoes everyone's eating.

00:49:57.000 And then we're going to give them credit scores on it, you know, have they lit their plate, are they chugging food away, you know?

00:50:06.000 And it's sort of like, so interesting.

00:50:08.000 The creation of dependency and the harvesting of data appear to be fundamental components of this modality.

00:50:17.000 You create dependency, you create dependency in areas where people were somewhat independent or interdependent, you create dependency.

00:50:26.000 Clearly, that region was not without its struggles around food.

00:50:30.000 As I recall, in the 1970s, there were issues with famine, perhaps, somewhere in that region.

00:50:35.000 And I like what you said earlier about how perhaps some of these organisations, these vast, grand, glistening, gold-briefcased organisations, may have come in sincerely with the intention of resolving problems.

00:50:46.000 Monsanto, we can solve your food crisis with these patented seeds.

00:50:51.000 We can Bring about solutions.

00:50:53.000 But I like that you, you know, whilst weaving in your personal biography, referenced the idea that there is a kind of amnesia that we suffer from, and that they will not illuminate.

00:51:05.000 So they don't say that, oh, 50 years ago, we did think that these methods were going to work.

00:51:09.000 But actually, we can see now that it's created dependency and famine and crisis in Indian agriculture.

00:51:15.000 And that's why we'd like to move forward.

00:51:16.000 No, they advance further through new means.

00:51:18.000 Exactly.

00:51:19.000 Oh, let's put plaster on the plaster. 0.99

00:51:21.000 And then put another plaster on the plaster and just make a plaster mountain.

00:51:27.000 And then that's going to be earth.

00:51:29.000 Yeah.

00:51:29.000 You know?

00:51:29.000 Wound on top of wound.

00:51:31.000 Unaddressed.

00:51:32.000 Unaddressed wound.

00:51:33.000 So it's like, no, what we need to psychologically fix this, which is what's interesting as well, is that Jordan Peterson is the person that's floated to the top during these times.

00:51:33.000 Yeah.

00:51:44.000 And he's like a, you know, clinical psychiatrist.

00:51:48.000 Exactly.

00:51:49.000 And you think, wow, can you fix the madness of what's happening here?

00:51:53.000 So it doesn't affect everything on the planet.

00:51:57.000 You know, you don't see, I just feel like that is, I think, a very important thing being able to, Self-reflect, own some stuff, say, maybe that decision was not very good.

00:52:14.000 Yeah. 0.81

00:52:16.000 You know, and then go, okay, well, we are looking at a picture where it's not like, you know, Africans and Indians are invading on these countries and causing all these problems. 1.00

00:52:34.000 And the thing about Indian philosophy and Indian religion is, you know, that's based in bliss and trying to figure yourself out is that it says, you know, any knowledge and wisdom from the Eastern philosophy is for the good of humanity.

00:52:52.000 Therefore, it's free.

00:52:53.000 They don't even claim it.

00:52:55.000 So if you take the thing and start doing your yoga company over here in Hollywood or, you know, in Malibu, Chillin' on a piece of rock.

00:53:05.000 No one's claiming it.

00:53:06.000 No one's like, that's my culture.

00:53:08.000 Like, because the whole point of yoga and the whole point of Indian wisdom or Eastern philosophy is to help you.

00:53:16.000 So why would anyone stop you using that?

00:53:20.000 You know, that it would go against what they're preaching.

00:53:23.000 So the whole way that works is that it's there.

00:53:28.000 And it, and you know, you're, you're supposed to, um, it's not, it's not an identity thing.

00:53:38.000 Like Indians wouldn't say, that's mine.

00:53:40.000 You can't use it.

00:53:41.000 Or this is our thing and, you know, fight for it or anything like that.

00:53:45.000 Cause the whole point of their thing is very inclusive.

00:53:48.000 It was about the humanity as a whole and everyone's supposed to spiritually attain a certain thing.

00:53:56.000 With this knowledge.

00:53:57.000 So the knowledge is free.

00:53:59.000 You know, nobody owns this knowledge.

00:54:00.000 It's free.

00:54:01.000 Yes.

00:54:02.000 Whereas I think in the West, we're very used to everything being owned and it's like our thing and we did this and did it.

00:54:14.000 And it's kind of like we're teaching that to more people just because the power of technology, you press a button and it goes out to the world, you know?

00:54:24.000 And that's only been around Like since the internet, like what, you know, 20 years or something where mass marketing can be done like that, you know?

00:54:36.000 And so that thought process of, you know, this sort of weird kind of power hungry thing is being beamed to the world on a mass level for the last, say 20 years, you know?

00:54:56.000 And that's a whole generation or two.

00:55:00.000 And if you think fast forward 50 years from now, psychologically, we're going to be more and more like that if we carry on, you know, unless we check people.

00:55:10.000 When people say CEOs, psychopaths, you know, and, and being so obsessed with wealth and greed and, uh, all of these sort of ideas, um, And that you have to take someone out in order to sort of be better or, you know, like these ideas have been around, but they've always been sort of in history books or in, you know, some sort of, I don't know, biology books or they're in academia, hidden or in politics, you know, but now I think these ideas are sort of like,

00:55:51.000 Spreadable very quickly.

00:55:52.000 Yeah.

00:55:53.000 And they're going to everywhere or, you know, kids, adults, whoever's got a phone, it's got this, you know, and so we have to be really careful psychologically that we are constantly practicing the inclusiveness, humility, awareness, self-assessment, You know, and the free speech conversation that's been happening in the last few weeks and with everybody freaking out about Twitter and Elon Musk making a whole thing about free speech and obviously Julian Assange is in jail over it, you know, over words and publicizing stuff, not actually killing anyone.

00:56:46.000 So in these times, I think it's a really important thing to address when they have so much power to curb speech, you know, and define what hate speech is and what is the correct way of seeing something.

00:57:11.000 And when these are being defined, you know, on A scale where I don't think they're aware of the planet, but they're only aware of their small group, you know?

00:57:26.000 And so this is very, this is very important that there are more people in this conversation that expand the idea out to be like, look, this needs to be inclusive of these people and these people and these people.

00:57:40.000 You know, there's so much, there's so much stuff involved here, you know, and that They should be able to say, 50 years ago you guys made us do this, that's destroyed our thing, you know?

00:57:54.000 So when you want to do it again, can we have another conversation?

00:57:57.000 Yes.

00:57:58.000 You know?

00:57:58.000 Yes.

00:58:00.000 But, obviously I understand, I'm sure the Indian government's under a lot of pressure to comply now with whatever's being put on them, like, do this, because this is shiny and new and it's like, you're modern and you're going to be included in this new thing and it's like, look at this.

00:58:15.000 You're going to come to this event and look good and shake hands and, you know, everything's going to be great.

00:58:22.000 And we're going to give you a little credit at the end of, end of this, you know, and points.

00:58:27.000 If you have enough cows not doing, you know, releasing methane or whatever, whatever the thing is, is it's like the Indian government is Under pressure to move along and get with it, you know, so they're like, yeah, we're building rockets, we're doing this.

00:58:46.000 And that's kind of the futures on robotics and data collection.

00:58:50.000 And you know what I mean?

00:58:51.000 So I, I, I like, I get it, you know, I get, I get technology and being excited about it and human evolutions.

00:59:05.000 Probably going to go there.

00:59:06.000 It's inevitable that yes, technology is going to get embraced and da-da-da-da-da.

00:59:11.000 But we got here somehow where we're at the end of something and something's going to happen if we don't make this new technology, you know.

00:59:26.000 We got here somehow and it ain't that great, you know, and It's okay to relax a bit.

00:59:34.000 You know, modernization for the sake of modernization is a bit lame, I think.

00:59:39.000 And I just don't think that culturally anyone's paused for a second to be like, what is going on?

00:59:49.000 And I think I've been in that and maybe you have too, but I've been around people where it is just super exciting to have like these ideas and then power to just actualize them very quickly and then it's

01:00:02.000 like da da da da da and everyone's excited around you and you're excited and then it's like go

01:00:06.000 go go and then you're getting reactions and it's you know you plug the machine on there's people

01:00:12.000 there and like this right now you know it's all exciting you know so i get this level of like living in

01:00:19.000 the moment and pushing things forward but certain things needs to be zoomed out and you have to

01:00:27.000 look at it over a long period of time you know and be like okay it's not that long ago a hundred

01:00:34.000 years ago And within a hundred years ago, if you, if you blown up the population, you know, times three folds, yeah, then there is going to be a major drain on the food source or the natural resources on the planet.

01:00:50.000 And there's just like all this other stuff.

01:00:52.000 You know, then we have to, we've done it now.

01:00:57.000 So you can just hit pause, zoom out, look at it, what's going on.

01:00:57.000 That's history.

01:01:02.000 And also I think a lot of this stuff, the technological advancing mechanism in place now, they're a lot more dangerous than, you know, A hundred years ago when someone's like, let's invent a tractor.

01:01:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:21.000 It's like a lot more dangerous.

01:01:23.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:01:24.000 It's not so immersive.

01:01:25.000 It was much more local parochial tractor.

01:01:27.000 Do a bit of plowing.

01:01:28.000 Now with these vast and rapid advances, I was having this idea earlier that 500 years ago, the amount of documented material that constituted history, the libraries of Alexandria would have, that amount of data would now be produced in half an hour.

01:01:46.000 So we have this sort of sense that things are getting faster and faster and everything's immersive.

01:01:50.000 And like you say, that the surface of the planet, all patented, everything not what it seems.

01:01:55.000 You walk through the green and pleasant lands of England and know that it's all owned elsewhere.

01:01:59.000 There's even utilities that are meant to be for the service of the people are owned externally and extraneously, all bolted on to profit motives.

01:02:08.000 We are living in a kind of holographic reality in so much as what we look at is not the administrative reality.

01:02:14.000 Forget the molecular.

01:02:16.000 It seems that while we're racing forwards on this trajectory towards a kind of technological utopia, we are neglecting to look back or to zoom out.

01:02:27.000 We're seemingly as a species simultaneously incredibly ambitious and yet myopic.

01:02:34.000 And this evocation of gods and goddesses and primal forces and the source of material and source energy I think is precisely what has to happen.

01:02:44.000 The challenge, I think, for us is how to present that to people who have been trained to extract mythology from the discourse.

01:02:53.000 Like flat rationalism and this dimming that we have discussed is what is considered orderly and ordinary now.

01:03:00.000 If you start talking to people about mythic energies that are within you and powers that can be unlocked.

01:03:07.000 And for a moment, our conversation, I felt like suddenly a wave of optimism of like, we're only just beginning to understand what consciousness is and what it could be.

01:03:13.000 There's a difference between data, intelligence and consciousness, the crucible of it, the source of it.

01:03:18.000 We have access to the source.

01:03:21.000 We don't need to be We're limited to the narrow lines and slim planes of prescribed reality.

01:03:29.000 We're not being ambitious enough.

01:03:31.000 There is the opportunity for bliss.

01:03:32.000 There is something beyond suffering.

01:03:34.000 We can get beyond technocratic, bureaucratic limitation.

01:03:38.000 But it's a frightening conversation to have, I think, because, you know, personally, I feel afraid a lot of the time, you know, like I've experienced a lot of fear.

01:03:48.000 My book is cyclical and this is cycle one of the nine stages happening once, but then it can happen a hundred times.

01:03:58.000 And I think that each time you have the power to write that cycle.

01:04:04.000 So it's just like you writing it.

01:04:06.000 You have the power to make it as optimistic as you want.

01:04:10.000 You know, you can make it as technologically advanced as you want, but, um, It, it, it, it, the optimism is there because of that.

01:04:21.000 It's like, okay, we can start again and rewrite this, you know, and we can dictate where it goes.

01:04:27.000 But in order to do that, you can't have, you can't have any group of people in society that are untouchable, where you can't talk about them, speak about them, point holes in the theories or criticize what they might've done 50 years ago that was wrong.

01:04:43.000 You know, like, You just can't have that.

01:04:47.000 You know, you need debate.

01:04:48.000 You need to be able to hold people accountable.

01:04:52.000 I'm sorry, but in the last five years, the only person that society has scapegoated as the baddie in the universe is Julian Assange.

01:05:01.000 Like, that already shows you, you know, like, who have we put away in society for any kind of crime that's been happening in everybody's face?

01:05:10.000 You know, the only person who's gone in is Julian Assange for, you know, press freedom, and Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein, I guess.

01:05:24.000 You know, apart from that, no one in the finance industry has been questioned.

01:05:31.000 Nobody in the tech world has gone in.

01:05:33.000 Nobody in the, you know, like, any banking, housing market, you know, pollution, climate change, Nobody has been held accountable for all of these apparently big extinction, you know, like life-threatening thing that could wipe out humanity from the face of this earth, you know, for the first time we're faced with extinction apparently from climate change and we might all be dead in 20 years.

01:06:08.000 Who is accountable for that then?

01:06:11.000 Yeah, there's a curious lack and misplacement of justice in most areas after that 2008 crash, after the period of the pandemic which has induced a kind of spellbound, hypnotised and limited mentality.

01:06:27.000 There is no willingness to scapegoat people other than in the case of Julian Assange, someone who's clearly interested in revealing the truth about the way that power operates.

01:06:38.000 It's interesting that so many crises can be inflicted and yet the most powerful interests in the world remain profitable.

01:06:45.000 In a time where there's an energy crisis, energy companies are making a profit.

01:06:48.000 In a time where there's a health crisis, pharmaceutical companies are making profits.

01:06:53.000 It feels like we are being distracted from the real sites, the real location, the locus of this problem.

01:07:01.000 It's curious to me to understand where is the power?

01:07:05.000 How is all of this happening?

01:07:07.000 They're saying it's AI.

01:07:10.000 They're like, oh, it's not even us.

01:07:11.000 It's the machine.

01:07:12.000 It's the machine that's like deciding we're wrong and we need to be curbed.

01:07:19.000 So that's already being passed on to the machine.

01:07:23.000 You know, and even that you're like, well, who decided to hand that over to the machine?

01:07:27.000 That job, the job of like being watched 24 seven in the streets of London through every security camera to edit it, whatever, like who said, yeah, let's go and trust this machine after like Watching Terminator or whatever, you know, like somebody that, that to me is also really funny to be like, well, how do we create the society where we think, you know, and everyone's like, AI is smarter than us, therefore they should make that decision.

01:07:58.000 But it's biased because 50% of the news or we've all learned 50% of the information fed into this system is wrong.

01:08:06.000 Yes.

01:08:07.000 Or that you've just learned this week from Elon Musk saying Twitter did have a part in You know, elections in the US, and so if there's manipulation going on, then the information fed into the AI is manipulated.

01:08:23.000 Therefore, the outcome cannot be great.

01:08:26.000 It cannot be positive.

01:08:27.000 It cannot be blissful or joyous, because the base and the root and the seed is not blissful and joyous.

01:08:36.000 Yes, yes.

01:08:36.000 How can anything beautiful grow from it?

01:08:38.000 I sometimes feel that we are trying to create a theological paradigm materially, i.e.

01:08:43.000 we have omniscience through perpetual surveillance.

01:08:47.000 We have omnipresence and omnipotence through the gathering of technology and intelligence.

01:08:55.000 It's like everything is being externalized.

01:08:58.000 Everything is being measured and managed.

01:09:01.000 I came up with Omni in 2017.

01:09:03.000 I've had like seven lawsuits to keep the name Omni.

01:09:08.000 And I just came up with the name because it's like Omni, right?

01:09:14.000 Every company in the world that specializes in robotics, surveillance, creation of the matrix, you know, all of these things, they all want to be called Omni.

01:09:24.000 And they are the people I'm fighting behind the scenes.

01:09:27.000 And I haven't been able to put work out on Omni.com.

01:09:30.000 Because behind the scenes I'm in so many patent lawsuits with so many people trying to take it from me and it's just insane.

01:09:42.000 So that's why the book is called Omni9 and the website's called Omni.com and you know it's really important to for me to hold on to this name because it has all this meaning that you're mentioning.

01:09:57.000 You know to me it's like about The real sense of this thing, you know, that we all know and feel but is threatened and we're being told it's not there, like whatever, you know, this spirit essence of the divine, you know, and I guess

01:10:24.000 Vandana Shiva will call it Gaia or, you know, the language of whatever that frequency is that we are recreating through science and technology.

01:10:37.000 But the thing that already exists without replication is omnipresent.

01:10:46.000 Yeah, omnipresent.

01:10:48.000 A primer materia from which all things emerge, that there is variation in frequency, but one true frequency from which all reality has proceeded forward from, that we all have access to and a connection to, but it requires a kind of quietness and introspection, and it requires us not to be continually tethered to stimuli of fear and desire.

01:11:11.000 I'm very susceptible to this kind of stimulants, you know, and I've been grown in a culture of individualism and individualistic pursuit.

01:11:20.000 And it's only really latterly that I'm awakening from the illusion of self.

01:11:25.000 It's only really latterly that I begin to recognize something that you've said, is that the power of creativity is almost boundless because we are imagining new realities into being.

01:11:36.000 When we say that we are not separate from God, this means that we have a role in creating reality, that we become a conduit, a vessel, an expression of divinity when cleansed of the toxins and pollutants of a culture that sees to deluge us in the kala, yoga, material grossness. 0.69

01:11:56.000 Very, very hard to extricate yourself.

01:11:58.000 Very, very difficult to sort of unpick it.

01:12:00.000 I feel it almost neurological.

01:12:02.000 I feel it almost vascular.

01:12:03.000 I feel it sort of seeped into me.

01:12:05.000 It's difficult to get cleansed and it's lonely, you know.

01:12:08.000 So I feel like you're doing some amazing work and you've been very either intuitively brave or brave in some other way that I don't understand.

01:12:16.000 Ignorance is bliss.

01:12:23.000 Well done.

01:12:24.000 I feel a bit sick.

01:12:25.000 Why?

01:12:27.000 No, I love it.

01:12:28.000 I love talking to you.

01:12:29.000 It's very, very intense.

01:12:30.000 I feel like I've been a bit enchanted and sort of on one.

01:12:33.000 I don't often spend time on that because see, look at all the things.

01:12:37.000 I meant to get you into different categories, like talk about Julian Assange for a bit, talk about Elon for a bit, talk about big pharma and COVID.

01:12:45.000 Oh yeah, we didn't even... I mean, we kind of tried.

01:12:47.000 You've done nothing but cause trouble.

01:12:48.000 You've caused problems on MTV from the get-go.

01:12:50.000 finger salute while performing as part of Madonna's Super Bowl halftime. You've always

01:12:54.000 been difficult, haven't you? You've done nothing but cause trouble. You've caused problems

01:12:59.000 on MTV from the get-go. You were labelled an anti-vaxxer in 2020 for tweeting, don't

01:13:04.000 panic, you're okay, you're not gonna die. I'm not against vaccines.

01:13:08.000 I'm against companies who care more for profit than humans.

01:13:12.000 You know, at the beginning of it, I'm sure you're aware that Albert Baller said it would be reprehensible if Pfizer made a profit from something that was so humanely necessary.

01:13:20.000 And of course, Pfizer went on to have the most profitable year in their history.

01:13:25.000 It's just, again, this amnesia.

01:13:27.000 Again, this amnesia. 0.98

01:13:28.000 We're being invited to continually forget And when there are revelatory figures that appear that we just have to shut that shit down and silence them because we can't confront the truth of what's happening somehow collectively. 0.93

01:13:42.000 Yeah, and just saying that data collection is mechanical thing that's over here, but 0.88

01:13:47.000 you can't use your eyes and your own ears to store the data in your brain and bring

01:13:54.000 it back up from memory to be like, oh, but I remember, you know what I mean?

01:13:58.000 You can't even be like, hey, you know when you said this like two years ago, I remember

01:14:03.000 it.

01:14:04.000 No, you can't remember that.

01:14:06.000 It's like phone numbers when you were a kid, when you knew 20 phone numbers.

01:14:09.000 Now I can only remember my mum's phone number for where she lived then.

01:14:12.000 She doesn't even live there anymore. 0.99

01:14:15.000 So we've forgotten everything.

01:14:16.000 Why does that happen?

01:14:17.000 They've stripped us of our facilities and our faculties as sacred beings.

01:14:21.000 We need to get back into some avatar illuminosity awakening in some tropical forestry.

01:14:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:29.000 Should we help each other with it a bit?

01:14:30.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:14:31.000 Is that what you're here doing?

01:14:33.000 Trying to do that within my own limitations and then not try to tumble into the narcissism and everything and all that.

01:14:41.000 Yeah, it's tough.

01:14:42.000 But you know, obviously, it's difficult because that is the other thing of like watching people, you know, I partly I don't want to get into Going on these types of shows because then it becomes about you, maybe, you know, and that it's better to just keep making work and putting it out on a site where they can find you.

01:15:06.000 Who does that well though?

01:15:07.000 Who does that well?

01:15:08.000 No one.

01:15:10.000 I don't think anyone has.

01:15:12.000 No.

01:15:13.000 Eventually, you know, with social media, like we've had to come out and actually just say everything all the time, you know, We don't as artists or writers or you know people even if you take JK Rowling who can literally disappear from the face of the earth on Mars because she's so rich but even she has to get on Twitter and contribute her you know thoughts to what's happening around and it's like we don't have that.

01:15:44.000 I feel like as artists we don't have the luxury to just be MIA from the situation.

01:15:53.000 Thanks for joining me for that episode of Subcutaneous.

01:15:56.000 Join us next week for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

01:15:59.000 On Monday we'll be talking to Barry Weiss.

01:16:02.000 She's been given access to the Twitter files along with a friend of the show, Matt Tybee.

01:16:06.000 You can join us on Monday for that show.

01:16:08.000 Also next week I'll be speaking to Silky Carlo from Big Brother Watch.

01:16:11.000 About the surveillance state and big tech.

01:16:14.000 Also, Glenn Greenwald, friend of the show, will be on.

01:16:16.000 He's a fellow Rumble host, and we'll be talking about the kind of things that Glenn Greenwald's always talking about.

01:16:21.000 And Tim Robbins, the Oscar-winning actor, is joining us for a conversation about his, well, new views on the pandemic and the introduction of laws, regulations, the shaming that went on.

01:16:32.000 That will be a fantastic conversation.

01:16:34.000 It's all here first and in full on Rumble.

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