Stay Free - Russel Brand - The Spiritual War Behind the Surveillance State - SF741

00:00:19.000 Hello there, you awakening wonder sex, for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:22.000 Today I'm talking to Greg Pye and Vernon Lynch, the authors of The Voice of the Heart, a book exploring how Christian principles can help people navigate the challenges of modern life.

00:00:32.000 In part one of our conversation, we discuss the spiritual crisis at the heart of modern culture, the invisible war they believe is shaping society, and why true freedom begins with Christ.

00:00:43.000 In this conversation, we explore how those ideas can be put into practice and what it means to live faithfully in the modern world.

00:00:52.000 I sometimes feel self conscious and like I'm not doing an effective job when I use all manner of actually what I will call Christian vocabulary, whether it's Satan or Lucifer or sometimes even, I don't know, sanctification.

00:01:08.000 Like, you know, like a lot of it, a lot of the language don't seem right to me.

00:01:14.000 Like it's institutional, dead language.

00:01:18.000 So, how are you saying with Voice of the Heart and with your other communicative?

00:01:24.000 And I suppose you'd have to say, your ministry means.

00:01:28.000 What are you doing to.

00:01:30.000 It's not like you want to mask it, but I guess every generation and every age requires its own apologetics and appropriate image systems that resonate with the people that are hearing the message.

00:01:43.000 No point talking about shepherds and seeds in an age of vibration, frequency, Wi Fi, interconnectivity, 5G.

00:01:54.000 How do you.

00:01:57.000 How do you manage the vocabulary?

00:01:59.000 Yeah.

00:02:00.000 So that's wonderful that you asked that, Russell, because one of the books I've been working on as a follow up to the many that are out there on this framework is called Words of the World, which is no wonder that the English language is sort of the universal language today because it's got so much ambiguity.

00:02:18.000 And that, again, makes it easy for the enemy to capitalize.

00:02:22.000 So here's what's interesting.

00:02:24.000 So remember, I said the first revelation needed to be.

00:02:28.000 People need to know there's an invisible war.

00:02:30.000 And you know what's really amazing?

00:02:32.000 And I would maybe market to market at COVID.

00:02:37.000 I would say COVID started to open people's eyes in a different way.

00:02:42.000 Like maybe I shouldn't trust what I trusted, like that kind of thing.

00:02:47.000 But what happened was we saw a compartmentalization of enlightenment.

00:02:53.000 So you've got everybody out there, and many who I respect who are.

00:02:59.000 Fighting this war in the media publicly, a lot of influencers.

00:03:04.000 But they're taking up one room in the house.

00:03:07.000 So they may be focusing on, you know, a political party offensive, healthcare, education.

00:03:15.000 But what they're not realizing is that the termites are in the frame and that all these systems are interconnected by design.

00:03:24.000 They lean on each other.

00:03:27.000 And it's extraordinary.

00:03:29.000 So that's one aspect of understanding.

00:03:32.000 So before we get into like, Vocabulary, we have to understand that we get in the way of our own progress in this war.

00:03:40.000 We become actually soldiers for the enemy over and over again.

00:03:45.000 So we got to take ourselves out of that position to make ourselves a warrior.

00:03:49.000 So, understanding the map of the systems, the 12 systems, which, by the way, relate to the metaphor of the tree, there's the root systems, which are family dynamics, education, and religion.

00:04:03.000 That's where pretty much your whole identity is formed before you can even crawl.

00:04:07.000 And then there are the trunk systems, which, if whatever's in the soil, is going to be fed up into the trunk.

00:04:13.000 And those systems are media and entertainment, news and information, and technology and data.

00:04:19.000 They just amplify the poisons that were in the soil.

00:04:23.000 Then are the branch systems.

00:04:24.000 The branch systems are those of finance and economics, government, and social structures.

00:04:30.000 This is where we reach our branches into society.

00:04:32.000 But unlike a real forest, like the California redwoods, we try to throw shade on each other.

00:04:37.000 We try to strangle the sunlight away from one another.

00:04:40.000 And then finally, there's the fruit systems.

00:04:42.000 And I don't want to confuse the fruit systems with fruit.

00:04:46.000 Biblically, it's really the last commandment that God gave to Adam be fruitful and multiply.

00:04:51.000 The fruit systems are health and wellness, law, order, and justice, and the military industrial complex.

00:04:59.000 And guess what those systems are trying to do? 0.99

00:05:01.000 They're trying to make us extinct.

00:05:04.000 The enemy infiltrates one, and there's contagion through them all.

00:05:08.000 So, to get to language, we have to understand first of all, there's a war, then there's a mirror.

00:05:13.000 We have to see ourselves in the war, that we're actually complicit, we're working with the enemy.

00:05:18.000 And then finally, we need a map.

00:05:21.000 And that map is to understand the infiltration in the systems.

00:05:25.000 It's a funny thing.

00:05:25.000 When I was really young, this is, I'm going to again date myself.

00:05:30.000 My grandfather used to smoke, he was a chain smoker.

00:05:34.000 He'd smoke these, and I lived with him.

00:05:36.000 He smoked these Raleigh cigarettes, and Raleigh cigarettes used to have a coupon on the back, and you'd collect the coupons and you'd put them in a book, and then you could go in the catalog and buy toys.

00:05:48.000 So I would encourage now, here's a five year old, a six year old saying, Grandpa, Come on, smoke one more pack of cigarettes, please, so I can get that walkie talkie.

00:05:57.000 Think about this.

00:05:59.000 And we know, like, just to stay on tobacco for a second, how tobacco was infiltrated into the theater and the movies, and it became a major infiltration into our health and wellness.

00:06:14.000 And guess what?

00:06:15.000 When the Surgeon General came out and when there were class action suits, the tobacco companies went and bought the food companies.

00:06:23.000 So they just migrated.

00:06:25.000 Their model.

00:06:26.000 So the map, Russell, is extraordinary.

00:06:29.000 People read the book.

00:06:30.000 The middle 16 chapters are hard to get through because it's dense.

00:06:35.000 But when you read that, you're like, oh my goodness, I see that the enemy's in every corner, whoever that enemy is, but it's in every corner of society.

00:06:45.000 There's no place safe.

00:06:47.000 And it starts to reset your clock a little bit because how many of us hear people still to this day, those Democrats, those Republicans, those, and they're not looking at the system.

00:07:00.000 They're not looking at infiltration.

00:07:02.000 They're not looking at the contagion in the system to understand what the system is doing and how it's oppressing them, how it's separating them from their purpose, peace, and passion, which I call the command centers of our life.

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00:08:17.000 Occasionally, Greg, I get these moments of startling clarity.

00:08:24.000 But even prior to that, I've had a, I've long understood that we're dealing with a systemic contagion.

00:08:33.000 Whether that's at the parochial, most local, actually anecdotal level of watching my son.

00:08:43.000 Looking for videos of a T Rex and how quickly that permutates into sort of godlessness and endless and baffling variety and overstimulation.

00:08:57.000 Like a counterfeit mind, an aggregating mind where almost the world's intelligence is being directed towards the capture and control of attention.

00:09:11.000 I think of that C.S. Lewis quote that.

00:09:14.000 He doesn't necessarily want us to be involved in energetic evil and orgies and self destruction.

00:09:21.000 He'd be just as happy to have us sort of slumped in a chair, staring listlessly at the last embers of a fire fading out.

00:09:31.000 And I, everything that I go, everything you go into, a children's hospital, an airport, a fast food restaurant, a TV show, a sporting event, it's, Everywhere it's everywhere, you can almost sense and feel Solomon's despair.

00:09:56.000 All is vanity, all is vanity.

00:09:58.000 That there isn't anything that hasn't been contaminated by it.

00:10:03.000 That there's an exhaustion prior to the Christ, that there is no way out of this.

00:10:09.000 There's no way out of it.

00:10:10.000 Now, where I like, see, I guess even though I've come to Christ late in life, I've had a brilliant education.

00:10:19.000 Prior, not just because of high exposure to what I would call the empire's spoils and methods, having been, in a sense, a kind of a participant in it.

00:10:32.000 I think what I've noticed actually is that any, I've not investigated the point of it being everyone, but in general, I've noticed that if someone is successful in the culture, this could be in entertainment or academia or politics or finance, is because they are either a representative of, A demonstration of or conduit of empire power.

00:10:56.000 So, to take it to a personal level, when I was most famous, the values that I was espousing were individualism, the pursuit of pleasure, a kind of spirituality that weren't really costly, didn't involve certainly, it didn't involve kenosis or sort of a genuine service or sort of real principles and virtues.

00:11:18.000 It certainly had, I can say, without fear of contradiction and knowing that I'm being honest.

00:11:23.000 Selfishness was at its core.

00:11:25.000 I'll be, I'll do anything as long as it's all right for me.

00:11:29.000 And I, I, I weren't, you know, I wasn't given the instruction or guidance of how to get out of that.

00:11:33.000 Then I noticed it with sort of other people.

00:11:36.000 I noticed it in academia.

00:11:37.000 I noticed very popular authors, very popular intellectuals that are being heavily promoted, like at a global level.

00:11:43.000 I started to see, oh, what this, this book here, I'm speaking about Sapiens actually in this instance.

00:11:48.000 Nuvel no Harari was the sort of, well, the first person where it came into alignment because of this personal encounter with him.

00:11:53.000 I don't think he's a, I'm not saying that Nuvel no Harari is not a great, A kind or decent person.

00:11:58.000 That's not my point.

00:11:58.000 My point is that book Sapiens is a very brilliant book, but that leads you to the conclusion that God is not real, that AI is inevitable, and that you should just yield to this sort of new global, fully immersive system that's coming, and there's nothing we can do about it.

00:12:15.000 And how I had this encounter, I wrote about it actually in my own book, which is available now.

00:12:20.000 Click the link in the description.

00:12:22.000 I talked about like a period I was booked to interview him when he was promoting a sequel or a subsequent book, at least.

00:12:30.000 And we did it at a school, like the event took place at a school in front of like kids, probably, I don't know, 12, 13, 14 year old kids.

00:12:36.000 And like Yuval Noharari sort of just told these kids, and like it was all being filmed and content was being made, you know, you lot, you best learn to code.

00:12:44.000 And because the future belongs to AI, and in the future, this is how it's going to be, and that's how it's going to be.

00:12:50.000 And I sort of remember sort of like really feeling myself going off piste in the moment.

00:12:54.000 I went, well, all these kids, you know, I weren't a Christian myself yet, but I was like, well, they couldn't, They like actually, it's their world and they could fight it and they could oppose it and they could defy it.

00:13:05.000 They have agency.

00:13:06.000 They're real people.

00:13:07.000 They're not just a commodity.

00:13:09.000 They're not just sort of there to be threshed.

00:13:11.000 And, you know, and then sort of, it kind of over time, I began to understand that, gosh, man, there's this guy called, this is a good way of describing this.

00:13:21.000 There's this guy called Derren Brown.

00:13:23.000 He does this, he's a sort of a contemporary sort of illusionist.

00:13:26.000 He did this brilliant illusion where someone would receive a letter saying to them, bet $50 on this horse race at this time.

00:13:33.000 And then they would bet on that horse race the next time and they would win.

00:13:36.000 And they'd be like, oh my God, I've won.

00:13:37.000 Then the next day, like, or the next week, bet on this one and they would win again and they would win again and they'd win again.

00:13:43.000 At the end, he reveals in the TV show how he did the trick every race has got 10 horses in it.

00:13:50.000 Someone's getting a letter for every one of the 10 horses.

00:13:54.000 So one person has the experience of, oh my God, I'm getting these mad letters telling me what.

00:14:00.000 The system is fully immersive, fully, fully immersive.

00:14:04.000 People don't even know they're participating in it.

00:14:07.000 They don't even know they're participating in it.

00:14:10.000 Oh, it's crazy.

00:14:12.000 Yeah.

00:14:12.000 That's why, you know, because I've worked in so many at high levels of so many sectors of the economy.

00:14:17.000 And again, by the grace of God, I unfortunately had a catbird seat to so many of the, you know, how these systems are really manipulated, if you will, or infiltrated, as I say.

00:14:30.000 For example, the gate, you know, so in finance, you have people scrambling around all day talking about Bitcoin or talking about their 401k.

00:14:39.000 But no one's talking about the game of Monopoly, for example.

00:14:43.000 We are playing Monopoly.

00:14:45.000 See, Monopoly is a great game because at the end of the game, you take everything, you put it back in the box, and then you start over the next time.

00:14:52.000 But imagine if you play and then you pick up the next time with the same assets and money that you had the prior day.

00:15:01.000 That's the world we live in in economics.

00:15:04.000 They've got us focusing on the one of the 10 horses when it's really the You know, it's the casino, it's the house that's winning.

00:15:13.000 The game of Monopoly, in other words, our economy never resets.

00:15:17.000 Our economy is continuously barbelling, and no one wants to talk about that structural dilemma.

00:15:24.000 Another example, here's something I might again date myself.

00:15:27.000 You know, I was in the cable business, television, started a couple of networks, game show network, and then more music TV.

00:15:34.000 And so what I remember is remember when we had television was terrestrial and it was free?

00:15:41.000 And then came cable.

00:15:43.000 So, cable was a basic package and you got it delivered to your home.

00:15:48.000 And then they started paid tiers.

00:15:50.000 So, it went from like a basic package to now a la carte programming.

00:15:54.000 Now you're paying for programming, all ad free.

00:15:57.000 Then they integrated ads.

00:16:00.000 Now you pay to remove the ads.

00:16:03.000 They manufacture the problem and you pay for the solution over and over again.

00:16:09.000 Now let's go to the, let's take the same business model and let's take it back a couple thousand years.

00:16:16.000 God gave, so let's look at the legal system.

00:16:19.000 Oh boy.

00:16:19.000 Oh my God.

00:16:20.000 Get your seatbelt on. 0.98

00:16:22.000 God gave us one law.

00:16:24.000 Don't stay clear of the tree.

00:16:27.000 Okay, all right, fair enough.

00:16:32.000 Everything else is okay.

00:16:33.000 Yeah, literally everything else is okay.

00:16:37.000 So, how did that go?

00:16:38.000 How did that go?

00:16:41.000 That did not go well.

00:16:41.000 We broke one law.

00:16:43.000 Guess what?

00:16:44.000 Then we got 10 laws.

00:16:45.000 A man actually had to go climb to the top of Mount Sinai, grab a bunch of heavy tablets, actually, twice, I think, right?

00:16:53.000 And those laws, 10.

00:16:57.000 No good. 0.76

00:16:58.000 Then the Torah, hundreds of laws, no good.

00:17:02.000 Now, billions of pages of laws, all designed to be broken and benefit someone who is writing them.

00:17:10.000 But here's the good news for us Christians, and hopefully those who may come, hopefully as a result of this show, is that Jesus gave us two that are the easiest in the world to follow love the Lord and love thy neighbor.

00:17:25.000 Those are the central nucleus of the voice of the heart and of our existence.

00:17:31.000 It's that simple.

00:17:31.000 Russell, look, it makes me nervous.

00:17:34.000 I'm like shaking as we talk about these systems and the infiltration.

00:17:37.000 Let me give you one more that's really frightening because it's very present day.

00:17:40.000 Let's talk about technology.

00:17:41.000 Now, you mentioned AI.

00:17:42.000 Everyone's talking about AI.

00:17:45.000 But AI, what is the acronym?

00:17:47.000 Artificial intelligence.

00:17:49.000 It's artificial.

00:17:50.000 It's never going to be anything but.

00:17:51.000 It's always going to be artificial.

00:17:53.000 But guess why?

00:17:54.000 While they're frightening you about AI, guess what they're really doing?

00:17:58.000 They're not talking about AI.

00:18:00.000 Data amalgamation.

00:18:02.000 They're not talking about the fact that, you know, for example, Brittany Kaiser of Cambridge Analytica, who I've worked with, she said at the time, Facebook was collecting 5,000 data points per person.

00:18:13.000 Now it's got to be, we make 35,000 plus decisions a day.

00:18:17.000 They're all being digitized now.

00:18:19.000 That is where the enemy is planting the last battle in our digital fingerprint, our digital identity.

00:18:29.000 Don't worry about artificial intelligence.

00:18:31.000 Most people have.

00:18:33.000 Not a whole lot of practical intelligence.

00:18:36.000 If you can get a little artificial, take it.

00:18:38.000 But here's the real danger the real danger is that you, your entire DNA composition is being digitized.

00:18:47.000 And I always looked at the way God created us is that's actually, because we, Bern and I created something along with a gentleman, Sean Coe, called Nova, Know Your Value.

00:18:58.000 It was about creating a marketplace for our digital identity.

00:19:01.000 Because here's what's so cool about our digital identity if we own it and we control it, All boats rise in that economies around the world, third world countries, because guess what?

00:19:14.000 Everybody has an identity.

00:19:15.000 Not everybody's got gold, not everybody's got a Mercedes, but everybody's got an identity.

00:19:21.000 And when we monetize that identity, that identity creates an equalization of economic opportunity.

00:19:28.000 I've got a few things.

00:19:31.000 One, yes, it was twice the tablets because the first time when he came down, they'd made that golden calf.

00:19:36.000 And how the golden calf is made is every, he just popped.

00:19:40.000 Off for a minute to go and get the laws of God because I couldn't be bothered to listen.

00:19:44.000 But how the golden calf is made is the gold of the individual, the individual identity, the individual personal identity is given to amalgamate a false God.

00:19:55.000 A false god is given from the individual gold.

00:19:57.000 This is happening again now with the digital identity.

00:20:00.000 We're all contributing our original gold to the counterfeit god, to the counterfeit signature, to the signature that's as unique as the DNA strands.

00:20:11.000 Your own particular imprature of God's glory is now being replicated by the great deceiver, by the great imitator.

00:20:19.000 Two, also, is that with your point about cable, they've done that exact thing again on Amazon Prime.

00:20:28.000 Because, okay, I'll get all this stuff on Amazon Prime.

00:20:31.000 Oh, now I've got an ad free model.

00:20:33.000 Then they start putting adverts in that.

00:20:34.000 Now you have to pay to get the advert out of that.

00:20:37.000 And something like the World Cup, it's because, by its fruits, you can know it.

00:20:42.000 Because the function of it is to keep you in that ecology.

00:20:48.000 In the ecology of your value, is only what you can contribute to this system as a consumer.

00:20:54.000 It's a machine that makes us more machine like.

00:20:57.000 It's a parasitic God that makes us parasitical.

00:21:01.000 And you can't.

00:21:02.000 If you attempt, the only way out is I think through total surrender to him and then to replicate garden, to create new garden, to create new garden, walled nature, walled nature.

00:21:17.000 Then we can oppose the serpent, oppose the serpent.

00:21:21.000 Just a quick break to tell you guys about Polymarket, where of course you can bet on real world events like the World Cup.

00:21:26.000 Of course, England are out pretty much as Polymarket predicted.

00:21:29.000 So now it's just the final and they have Spain as the favourite.

00:21:34.000 Honestly, I don't care because England are out.

00:21:36.000 So go on, bet on this and other real world events with Polymarket.

00:21:40.000 So, this is what I'm thinking about.

00:21:42.000 I'll tell you both because you're obviously interested in the same things that we're interested in.

00:21:46.000 Is that with these two, in a sense, what the glory here and the great opportunity might be, that people are again, there's a revival, something's happening, isn't it?

00:21:56.000 You'll be aware of it.

00:21:57.000 It's unusual.

00:21:58.000 Now, a lot of people are talking about Christ again, like in the political sphere, even.

00:22:04.000 So that means that we can use the book, the literature, and the truth of Christ.

00:22:11.000 His glory will be revealed, as he himself said.

00:22:13.000 You don't need to worry about false prophets because the name's getting used anyway.

00:22:16.000 So, what we can do, I think, is with these two ideas one, our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, and two, democracy we can use these ideas that most people agree, not most, but enough agree are correct, to bring about using the very technology that, say, in my country is even more.

00:22:35.000 Not the technology, but its exploitation is even more advanced than what you're describing.

00:22:42.000 They want facial recognition technology.

00:22:44.000 They want mass surveillance.

00:22:45.000 They want digital ID.

00:22:46.000 They've just introduced, via, of course, the legitimate concerns that people have around protecting their children from pornography and all forms of predation.

00:22:56.000 They've introduced laws that ultimately mean that everyone's IP address will be tethered to a physical identity, precisely because the government wants the opportunity to partner with corporations to continue the process that's already.

00:23:08.000 Already underway and undergone.

00:23:09.000 But in so doing, they're acknowledging that this technology is viable, viable.

00:23:14.000 And if they can use the charge in this direction to impose pressure on us, then we can use it to create liberty and freedom.

00:23:23.000 So, my question is this you know, there is, as you already touched upon, no point in quibbling about the various flaws and assets of different political entities or any of the occupants of the political space.

00:23:34.000 But there is a great value in having a political conversation about new systems, new systems where he has told us.

00:23:42.000 How he wants us to live our lives, as you've said, to love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor.

00:23:47.000 On this basis, I think we can use the technology that is now becoming manifest, and all that is newly manifest, if correctly guided by the unviolable principles of his kingdom, can be utilized to prepare for this merging, for this coming together of the two kingdoms that we are told is happening.

00:24:08.000 And I can't see how it could be that far off because I don't know how much lower we can possibly go.

00:24:14.000 And, like it does, I agree with you too, Greg, that the scene is set.

00:24:19.000 For the final battle.

00:24:21.000 So, and of course, it's outside of time.

00:24:23.000 It's clear from the images that are in sort of the early scripture and the last book of the Bible that this is sort of something that's taking place in a dream space, in the prima materia, in the network, in the sort of what I'd like to envisage as a kind of infinite inner and outer and extra century sort of honeycomb web, a sort of a geometrically perfect yet natural inner space, a kind of a network. 0.96

00:24:48.000 The Hindus have an image system of a kind of a net. 0.70

00:24:51.000 Within which we are all nodes, to which we all have access. 0.58

00:24:55.000 My sense is that when you're in Christ, you can participate as co heirs and co creators in operating it.

00:25:01.000 Not if you are oriented towards self, because then you're in the separate circuit of the deceiver.

00:25:08.000 But if you're in Christ, then you are co heirs with Him and co creators.

00:25:13.000 So even though it is by grace alone that we are saved, we still have a function and a purpose.

00:25:17.000 And surely our purpose is precisely what I think we're pursuing here and that we have to advance, continue to advance.

00:25:23.000 Now, Is the creation of systems that make straight the way, that bring the mountains, make the road smooth.

00:25:31.000 That's what we're doing for him now.

00:25:33.000 He came when he did, I suppose, because of what the Roman Empire was doing and because of the potential for diaspora.

00:25:39.000 And now that diaspora is online, instantaneous, and the war for attention and consciousness is hotting up.

00:25:46.000 So, do you agree then that that's what we should be doing, bringing this fight into the political arena?

00:25:53.000 Absolutely.

00:25:54.000 It's in every arena.

00:25:57.000 And political is particularly important because it's one of the strongholds for the enemy of late.

00:26:07.000 There used to be a time when, I always used to say, if we can't self govern, how are we going to ever outsource it to anybody?

00:26:19.000 But I do believe we can govern if we understand what governance even should mean in what I call, and you've been kind of Touching on this, Russell, gardenism.

00:26:29.000 It's my term.

00:26:30.000 I'm not trying to impose it on anybody, but gardenism is the pre fall existence.

00:26:34.000 We cannot bring it ourselves here, but when we pursue it, it enables the ability for us to fulfill the two last commandments God gave us.

00:26:45.000 We cannot pursue loving God with all of our heart and loving our neighbor in the system architectures that prevail.

00:26:54.000 It's impossible.

00:26:56.000 So we have to undo them.

00:26:58.000 And you might say that sounds radical.

00:27:00.000 Well, you know what?

00:27:02.000 We're actually, it's a relative kind of idea.

00:27:05.000 I always hear people saying, wow, things are so bad.

00:27:08.000 Well, you weren't around back in the days of Nero.

00:27:10.000 I mean, yeah, things are bad.

00:27:12.000 But the truth of the matter is, we've gotten very complacent.

00:27:15.000 We've gotten really comfortable, especially as developed market populations.

00:27:25.000 And it's interesting when you travel, and I know you've traveled.

00:27:28.000 To parts of the world that are less developed.

00:27:30.000 There's actually a parable in my book that I wrote that's really heartfelt because there's a certain amount of joy and experience that's still preserved amongst those tribal parts of the world because, again, they're separated from the world.

00:27:46.000 And it's not complete.

00:27:48.000 And they're, of course, missing what we know in many cases, but they're closer than we are.

00:27:54.000 We are now comfortable with a Netflix series, a certain restaurant we like to go out to eat at.

00:28:03.000 And Getting our kids into an Ivy League school.

00:28:06.000 All three of those things, by the way, are toxic that I just mentioned.

00:28:10.000 They're toxic, they're poison.

00:28:14.000 And so we have to re now.

00:28:17.000 Here's the here's part of the problem not everybody is where we are, which is why the voice of the heart was written again, because it meets people where they are.

00:28:28.000 It's hard to tell somebody who's just got maybe a $25 million bonus, works on Wall Street, that life, you know, things could be better.

00:28:37.000 You might be related to that person, or you might know that person and look at them and say, You know, that Joe never looks happy.

00:28:46.000 So I always say there's two types of people.

00:28:47.000 There are people who are suffering because they recognize that Christ suffered.

00:28:53.000 And so just by recognizing that Christ suffered, that should be suffering to you.

00:28:57.000 And then there are people who don't know they're suffering.

00:29:01.000 Those are the only two people that exist.

00:29:03.000 So bringing people together on this is a very delicate and ambitious process.

00:29:11.000 But in my mind, the only potential project worth pursuing.

00:29:18.000 Because where we are today, we are only inches from the edge of the cliff.

00:29:23.000 Societal mayhem is right around the corner.

00:29:27.000 So, whether we want to pursue political solutions or not, they're going to come our way anyway. 0.69

00:29:32.000 And we're not going to like them the way they come.

00:29:34.000 So, we need to take control of the lives we were given.

00:29:39.000 And again, that's what this framework is designed to do universally.

00:29:46.000 When I say this, you know, Russell, that the voice of the heart is designed, it's a battle cry, but it blows the horn.

00:29:57.000 It sounds the alarm and lets people know that there is something systemic that's going on that needs to be addressed.

00:30:03.000 We've all been bamboozled on every level.

00:30:07.000 All of the systems have been infiltrated.

00:30:11.000 And yes, we do believe in government.

00:30:16.000 So did Jesus.

00:30:18.000 But the government is supposed to be upon his shoulders when he returns, right?

00:30:23.000 So that means that as we wait for the coming of Christ and we deal with what the enemy is serving up to us on every level and every system, and particularly politics,

00:30:38.000 that we can believe in a democratic process, but knowing that it can't work to the fullest of It can't work to the best of its ability without being Christ centered.

00:30:54.000 So we can vote and we can do all of these great things.

00:30:57.000 We could jump up and down, we could protest.

00:31:00.000 But what we're doing is just, you know, we're patching a leaky tire.

00:31:07.000 So at the end of the day, we need things like the voice of the heart that's going to give us a roadmap.

00:31:13.000 You can do these things.

00:31:14.000 Let's start, basically, let's start here in the home.

00:31:19.000 Relationships between fathers and sons and mothers and daughters and the parents and their kids as a whole, teaching them a godly way to live their lives, giving them the proper hope, not the hope that the world wants you to have.

00:31:37.000 Understanding that we have been programmed on every level and we can shake that off.

00:31:43.000 There's a comedian, Dick Gregory.

00:31:49.000 You know who Dick Gregory is, Russell, right?

00:31:52.000 Have you ever heard of him?

00:31:53.000 No.

00:31:54.000 Oh, Dick Gregory was a very prolific and a very funny comedian who actually ran for office back in the 60s or 70s.

00:32:03.000 And he mentioned something.

00:32:05.000 He says, You know, he mentioned something where I had to take it as you chew the meat, spit out the bone.

00:32:12.000 He mentioned something.

00:32:12.000 He says, Listen, there's something called the magic glasses.

00:32:16.000 And when the universe calls on you and you get to put the magic glasses on, there comes with rules.

00:32:21.000 Two rules.

00:32:23.000 One rule is that you put them on, you can never take them off.

00:32:26.000 And the second rule is that you could.

00:32:29.000 You can't give them to anyone else.

00:32:32.000 So at the end of the day, I thought about that and I said, okay, I guess he's looking at it from a spiritualist sense and I'm looking at it from a godly manner, a more godly presentation of things.

00:32:48.000 And what I see is that I see more of what we're talking about right now, Russell.

00:32:59.000 Enlightenment and your discovery of yourself and who the true God really is is almost equivalent to putting on a magic glass.

00:33:08.000 You can't undo that.

00:33:11.000 And that's a part of your spirit and who you are.

00:33:13.000 And that's why you have your show and you fight for truth and you're moving forward to enlighten other people.

00:33:20.000 When Dick Gregory mentioned that you can't give them to anyone else, well, that would be opposite of the gospel.

00:33:27.000 The gospel is to be shared.

00:33:29.000 So, the enemy works in sneaky ways.

00:33:31.000 He says things to tickle your ears and get people to follow false ideology, moving forward in life, thinking that you're actually doing something good.

00:33:46.000 When you're really just spinning your wheels or you're standing on the side of the enemy and you're complicit as a soldier on his side, because as we move forward, dealing with Family, dealing with society's wrongdoings with people, with social differences, racial differences, all the things that we've had to deal with in the past couple of years with people being murdered,

00:34:18.000 whether it's a George Floyd thing and those type of protests, without ever digging deep to find out what the truth of the matter is, simply going with mass consciousness in the Give me, what is it, Greg?

00:34:39.000 When they had the opportunity to free Jesus and they said, Give us Barabbas.

00:34:43.000 Yeah, give us Barabbas.

00:34:44.000 That type of mentality permeates our existence, and we need a voice at our heart.

00:34:50.000 We need a program that could teach us how to get over the hump, how we can heal ourselves with our family relationships, and then we can have a more godly presentation in our life, and then help others to join us.

00:35:07.000 As a believer, Russell, you know that it's our job to share the gospel and to be disciples of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

00:35:15.000 And I think that Greg's book and all the things that you talked about, I think Greg's book touches on everything that you spoke about in every area.

00:35:26.000 And it's a hefty book for those who are bold enough, and we're supposed to be bold as believers to share the gospel, speak about God, and be willing to.

00:35:38.000 To turn the camera on ourselves or look at ourselves in the mirror and know what we need to do better as well, because we're supposed to be living examples.

00:35:48.000 Christ was an example for us, and we're supposed to be examples for the ones that we want to disciple and plant seeds with the hopes that others are led to the Lord.

00:36:00.000 I don't know if what I'm saying is clear, but there's clearly a systemic problem.

00:36:07.000 We live in Babylon, Babylon, the Babylonian system is the entire world.

00:36:12.000 So, some people I know that practice different faiths, they want us, well, we have to leave here.

00:36:17.000 We have to leave. 1.00

00:36:19.000 The Bible tells us that we need to leave this plate.

00:36:21.000 And I'm like, you can't leave and go where?

00:36:23.000 It's the Babylonian system. 1.00

00:36:25.000 You need to learn how to live in this world and not be of it. 1.00

00:36:31.000 And you can only do that through having a relationship with our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

00:36:38.000 Yeah.

00:36:39.000 And the franchise is really an on ramp, not.

00:36:44.000 So, I'm not going to impose my faith on anybody ever.

00:36:47.000 It's an on ramp for someone to be curious about what their faith is.

00:36:53.000 See, the objective was always just to get people to look in the mirror, see that they aren't who they were meant to be, and then ask the question, Who was I meant to be?

00:37:04.000 And then to follow the lead on that particular motion.

00:37:10.000 The children's series, 30 books that mirror chapter for book.

00:37:14.000 With the voice of the heart are designed again, secular stories.

00:37:20.000 They're designed to awaken four to eight year olds to this very thing, everything that we talked about in this conversation today, which is interesting because there isn't anything like that in the world that exists today to expose the war and the enemy.

00:37:35.000 But we don't do it, we contextualize it, we don't talk in those terms.

00:37:39.000 I'll give you an example.

00:37:40.000 The first book, The Backwards Berries, is about this character, Sapling.

00:37:46.000 He's a young seed, he follows the 30 books.

00:37:49.000 Through his personifies the reader, and there's a character named The Noise who's a snake, kind of cute, but he's a nuisance maker.

00:37:57.000 And then there's Heartwell, a well in the garden, who has a heart bucket that goes down deep and brings up things that are wonderful.

00:38:04.000 That's where the wisdom comes from.

00:38:06.000 But here's what's interesting The Backwards Berries opens where Sapling is witnessing all these plants, vegetables, everybody's running like mad, and he can't figure out why.

00:38:17.000 And he finds out because there are these really electrifying berries that everybody wants.

00:38:24.000 Like everything else in this world, you know, tantalizing.

00:38:27.000 So he starts to go out there.

00:38:30.000 He's using his discernment, but he wants it.

00:38:32.000 He's tempted.

00:38:33.000 He ultimately tries it and he finds out that what made him full for one second now makes him feel empty inside.

00:38:41.000 Long story short, he realizes that things are not what they appear to be.

00:38:46.000 Teaching a four to eight year old stop, wait, pause before you chase something that you really may not want or may not be good for you.

00:38:55.000 Now, here's A funny thing.

00:38:57.000 A woman saw the book and she sent me an email and she said, I got to get this for my daughter.

00:39:03.000 I love those berries.

00:39:05.000 And I'm thinking, that's the problem.

00:39:11.000 But you see, see that mind.

00:39:13.000 So that mind, that remember, I always said in this conversation, it's about nuance.

00:39:18.000 That subtle nuance of a parent awakening, a child awakening, that the world may not everything is all gumdrops, starts to lead them down a path of separating themselves from the world, from the enemy, and ultimately on a pathway, hopefully, to the foot of the cross.

00:39:36.000 Mm hmm.

00:39:38.000 Oh, Greg, that's beautiful.

00:39:39.000 And it's a good place for us to wrap up today.

00:39:41.000 Thank you very much for taking the time, Greg and Vernon, for explaining Voice of the Heart and the series of materials that are available in the universe of content that you are creating.

00:39:56.000 I've sensed a lot of alignment and familiarity, alliance, and fellowship with the principles, obviously, because we're all followers of Christ and we're all finding ways to.

00:40:12.000 I mean, like, you can't, when you read the New Testament, there's Mark's sort of breathless and urgent focus on events.

00:40:22.000 There's Matthew's sort of deliberate and diligent explaining and chronicling Luke as a kind of historian.

00:40:32.000 I mean, obviously, I'm being reductive because I'm talking about the story of God on earth as a man and John's sort of intimacy, mysterious intimacy.

00:40:42.000 And, um, Then Paul, man, you know, like the way that sort of Paul's sort of articulate, brilliant, sort of faithful, I want to say, spirited legalism in the correct way, in so much as in Acts, he has to encounter the system and fight the system in real time using the system's language.

00:41:10.000 And all of it, you know, you can feel him, you can feel his silhouette and his shape, our Lord moving throughout it.

00:41:18.000 Curiously, this is how he came to me in so much as in that instant, illustrated here.

00:41:26.000 Like this cross is made of flies, and it's before I sort of fully understood Beelzebub as Lord of the Flies.

00:41:32.000 The moment where he came, it was not like flies.

00:41:35.000 That's kind of I sort of added that because of C.S. Lewis's kind of the flies on his back, you know, that he knew about the like he could feel the flies on his back as the universe was being created.

00:41:45.000 He knew that it ended in the cross.

00:41:47.000 The moment he came.

00:41:49.000 It was like something happened in my gut that felt like sort of the particles of the cross coming together, like the shape of the cross already existed in me and was waiting for something to happen.

00:42:03.000 So, what I'm saying is that all of us will find our correct form.

00:42:07.000 When you were describing, when you were describing Greg, you were saying, like, you know, like we're sort of caged, that we're caged.

00:42:17.000 And I've often had this sort of image system that we're.

00:42:20.000 Farmed, or we're in a zoo, we're not in the correct environment.

00:42:23.000 It's when you were talking about like people, like in less condensed what was the phrase you used?

00:42:28.000 Developed market populations, like that.

00:42:32.000 We're in a zoo, we're in a farm, we're being farmed.

00:42:36.000 And actually, when you actually, if you consider this image of like what exists, is disrupted.

00:42:42.000 You use this sort of noise for your children's version of this information.

00:42:46.000 That the stimulants, if you think of it in a kind of like rice resonance, they Create a negative mandala, the stimulant around you all the time.

00:42:56.000 It's just like a kind of a cage.

00:42:58.000 You can't get into the spirit because all around you there's pleasure, there's fear, there's disruption.

00:43:05.000 Like in an urban environment or an environment where you're accessing a lot of media, all of those toxins, that toxicity, you can't be in the pool.

00:43:15.000 You can't be in the clear pool where you would feel Him, where you'll be able to abide with Him and indeed be yoked with Him.

00:43:23.000 And in this yoking, we can be in a circuit, like a sort of an open, living flow with Him or the sort of collapse.

00:43:31.000 Control that, as you again said, Greg, on page four freedom, freedom on page 11, you are shackled, indentured, and owned.

00:43:41.000 You know, but most people don't read the small print, man.

00:43:45.000 That was, um, that was, uh, yeah, it was a good conversation, and I'd love to stay connected.

00:43:53.000 Yes, it would be my honor.

00:43:56.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:43:58.000 Wonderful.

00:43:58.000 Oh, wow.

00:43:59.000 God bless you all.

00:44:00.000 We love you.

00:44:00.000 Thank you so much, Russell.

00:44:01.000 Send me a text, both of you.

00:44:04.000 Send me a 10-minute call.

00:44:05.000 Don't worry, you got it.

00:44:06.000 Take care.

00:44:06.000 God bless you guys.

00:44:10.000 Hey, remember, me and my wife Laura, every weekend, make this podcast.

00:44:15.000 You can listen to it wherever you listen to podcasts, or you can enjoy it here on Rumble.

00:44:19.000 It's difficult to explain, but here is a section to give you an idea of what we talk about.

00:44:32.000 Guidelines for mystical prayer.

00:44:34.000 So, what does she mean by mystical prayer?

00:44:37.000 She means that there's a sort of that somehow.

00:44:42.000 I think what Ruth Burroughs is saying in this book is that Christianity has been in its institutionalism demystified.

00:44:50.000 She does make the point that she's a nun living as a renunciate in a community.

00:44:56.000 A religious is the term that she uses for the members of this community.

00:45:00.000 But I think what here she's writing in depth about St. Teresa's.

00:45:05.000 Prayer methods and St. John the Cross. 0.97

00:45:07.000 She continually points out that old St. John's a bit of a, forgive the phrase, hard ass. 0.54

00:45:12.000 Like, you know, like he's like, no, don't do anything unless it's moving you closer to God. 0.89

00:45:19.000 And she says that it's by its nature, mystical prayer, extra century and outside.

00:45:25.000 I mean, let me read you some of her wonderful words.

00:45:27.000 She's just a great genius, is Ruth Burroughs.

00:45:31.000 So here she says, check this.

00:45:32.000 She goes, okay, it would be easy, I suppose, to accept God when he comes as God, but he never does.

00:45:39.000 Too often we take our own idea of God, the fashioning of our pride as God.

00:45:45.000 But when He comes in the way He always comes, in human helplessness, without beauty and without majesty, we do not receive Him.

00:45:54.000 It's easier to accept Him in outward events, even humbling ones.

00:45:59.000 But oh, the scandal of the poverty and godlessness of our own inner state.

00:46:05.000 I love that.

00:46:06.000 The poverty and godlessness of our own inner state.

00:46:09.000 How many.

00:46:10.000 Accept him in this.

00:46:11.000 Here is true mystical suffering with no vestige of self esteem.

00:46:17.000 When we stop to think about it, at every moment we are choosing God or self.

00:46:24.000 Put in another way, we are continually being faced with a decision on God's fate Do I accept him? 0.92

00:46:32.000 Do I kill him?

00:46:34.000 God always presents himself to us as man in the human situation, he does not come to us divinely as God. 0.99

00:46:42.000 We would not kill the Lord of glory, but the helpless, ordinary man, this shabby disturber of our peace and complacency, we must dispose of.

00:46:52.000 I love it.

00:46:53.000 I love it.

00:46:53.000 Like the humility of Christ, the brokenness of Christ.

00:46:57.000 And I like what Ruth Burroughs does she puts us all in the position of Pontius Pilate, judging, well, who are you?

00:47:03.000 Who are you?

00:47:04.000 Why this lot brought you here?

00:47:06.000 What's going on?

00:47:07.000 And the way Christ handles that trial, being put on trial and falsely accused, is like, Obviously, this is how we are confronted by God.

00:47:18.000 And I've been reading that, Laura.

00:47:20.000 And it was in my latest reading of John's interpretation of Christ's encounter with Pilate.

00:47:27.000 It seems to me that over the course of this encounter, Pilate is coming to realize this is God.

00:47:33.000 I am being confronted by God.

00:47:35.000 This pagan local governor is being confronted because of Christ's wisdom and because, indeed, of some of the things the Pharisees, those that want him killed, are saying. 0.52

00:47:46.000 He comes to Realize it.

00:47:49.000 Shall I continue?

00:47:50.000 Yeah, please do.

00:47:52.000 So, this is from John's Gospel.

00:47:55.000 Jesus before Pilate is mostly covered in chapter 18.

00:48:01.000 The Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor.

00:48:06.000 By now it was early morning. 0.77

00:48:08.000 And to avoid ceremonial uncleanliness, they did not enter the palace because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.

00:48:15.000 So, it's like Passover is a feast where there is a sacrifice traditionally in the Jewish faith.

00:48:20.000 So Pilate came out to them and asked, What charges are you bringing against this man?

00:48:27.000 Check it out.

00:48:27.000 The Pharisees don't answer this question directly.

00:48:31.000 If he were not a criminal, they replied, we would not have handed him over to you.

00:48:35.000 So they don't say why.

00:48:37.000 They don't answer that question.

00:48:39.000 It's weird.

00:48:39.000 So that's sophistry.

00:48:41.000 That's sort of skullduggery.

00:48:44.000 Pilate said, Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.

00:48:48.000 And they say, But we have no right to execute anyone, they objected.

00:48:53.000 So they won't say what they want to do him for, but they will say what they want to do him. 0.99

00:48:57.000 They want to kill him. 0.99

00:48:59.000 So they've got an agenda. 0.91

00:49:00.000 Obviously, this took place to fulfill what Jesus had said about the kind of death he was going to die.

00:49:07.000 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus, and asked him, Are you the king of the Jews?

00:49:13.000 Our Lord says, Is that your own idea?

00:49:16.000 Jesus asked, or did others talk to you about me?

00:49:20.000 So Jesus sort of challenging Pilate there, Am I a Jew?

00:49:22.000 Pilate replied, Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me.

00:49:27.000 What is it you've done?

00:49:28.000 Jesus said, My kingdom.

00:49:30.000 Is not of this world. 1.00

00:49:32.000 If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. 0.95

00:49:36.000 But now my kingdom is from another place. 0.57

00:49:39.000 You are a king then, said Pilate.

00:49:41.000 Jesus answered, You say that I am a king.

00:49:45.000 In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.

00:49:50.000 Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.

00:49:54.000 What is truth? retorts Pilate.

00:49:56.000 I just think that's such a sort of a wonderfully postmodern. 1.00

00:50:01.000 Response from Pilate.

00:50:02.000 Is there a truth, your truth, my truth, our subjectivity?

00:50:05.000 The claim Christ makes is that there's an ultimate essential reality.

00:50:08.000 This is very much that John's gospel is alive with this Christ that talks about before the beginning of the world, I am, before Abraham, I am, like a Christ that's there at the essence of creation.

00:50:20.000 See, when we're dreaming, Laura, about whether it's Nicholas Lindhurst or some of the, you know, because you did tell me the whole more chilling aspects of the dream, all of the characters and participants in your dream are the lexicon of your own intimate vocabulary.

00:50:34.000 If you know a person well, then you, like Joseph of the great patrons of the late book of Genesis, there, you can interpret dreams because if you know the person, you know what an umbrella means to them, or a speedboat, or an encounter with this person from their past.

00:50:52.000 You know their personal lexicon, their personal vocabulary.

00:50:56.000 But all these avatars, these objects, these signifiers, these signs are bubbling up from some primordial and protean space.

00:51:08.000 What is the deep truth?

00:51:09.000 Now, the atheist says it's nothing.

00:51:12.000 Even the Buddhist says a vibrant and alive nothing.

00:51:17.000 The follower of Christ Jesus says it is a loving creator God that is by his nature relational, that loves you so much that he wants you to be free to do whatever you want.

00:51:29.000 And that includes evil.

00:51:32.000 But if you do that, you can't be with him because he is good.

00:51:38.000 And if you are bad, you can't be with him.

00:51:40.000 But he knows that we make mistakes and he provides the possibility of penance and redemption and recompense and reconciliation.

00:51:48.000 And all this he provides through his son, through coming in the form of the son.

00:51:54.000 And our son is just beyond the camera stirring.

00:51:57.000 Our son's there's a bed immediately there, and our little boy is sleeping on the bed and he's stirring.

00:52:02.000 He's going to go back to sleep.

00:52:03.000 He looks like he is going to go back to sleep.

00:52:05.000 I'll do it.

00:52:06.000 But like, you know, so anyway, that was, I was saying all of that because of.

00:52:11.000 You know, the claim for an absolute truth.

00:52:14.000 Pilate asks, What is truth?

00:52:15.000 You know, maybe there's the Pharisees' truth, there's the truth, my truth, my wife, who happened to be a dream, you know, Pilate's wife had a dream.

00:52:23.000 Yeah.

00:52:24.000 Like, and it's not in John's gospel, but in other gospels, she's freaking him out because she's like, oh, I've had this dream.

00:52:32.000 I feel like in that conversation between Pilate and Jesus, there, that for me feels like I can see where some of Shakespeare sounds like that conversation.

00:52:45.000 Of course it is.

00:52:46.000 Or is it true?

00:52:46.000 You know, like the ending, even, because you say it's like quite a.

00:52:51.000 Do you say it's a.

00:52:52.000 You didn't use the word modern.

00:52:53.000 You said it's a.

00:52:54.000 Postmodern.

00:52:55.000 Postmodern.

00:52:56.000 And the idea that.

00:52:57.000 It just the way that the conversation goes, it feels to me like you can see where the works of Shakespeare were inspired by some of the Bible.

00:53:05.000 I suppose, really, that what literature was available to Shakespeare, the classics and the Bible, I suppose.

00:53:14.000 But for some reason, that little bit, like when you just read it there, just the way the kind of cadence of it, would you say, like the way that it was, and then the ending with the question, feels to me like I could have, you know, that sounds.

00:53:29.000 I don't know, reminded me.

00:53:30.000 Because Shakespeare, obviously, a great genius, again, to our point earlier about Swordsman, and Shakespeare is like a person that's able to cast a net into the limitless and come back with a great bounty indeed.

00:53:45.000 Yeah.

00:53:45.000 And like that, you understand, oh, this person is describing jealousy or indecision or falling in love better than anyone has.

00:53:54.000 But the scripture reaches beyond even the reach of.

00:53:58.000 The greatest human genius and into the molecular truths that mean that story can even exist.

00:54:05.000 Before, if there was no such thing as meaning, there would be no potential for story.

00:54:12.000 There would be no more value in telling a story that is satisfying, fulfilling, conclusive, and contains meaning, or just a story that was a string or sequence of meaningless words.

00:54:22.000 Or to put it another way, in arithmetic, an equation a la Goodwill Hunting's one that gets solved on that blackboard.

00:54:30.000 Or in music, like, you know, you can go to different cultures all around the world and wherever you go, they will recognize melody versus cacophony.

00:54:37.000 Why?

00:54:37.000 Yeah.

00:54:38.000 Why?

00:54:39.000 So, what you're, I think, spotting.

00:54:40.000 There's code in it.

00:54:42.000 There's a code.

00:54:43.000 And code requires a creator.

00:54:44.000 Yeah.

00:54:45.000 And code requires a recipient.

00:54:48.000 Yeah.

00:54:49.000 That seems right.

00:54:50.000 That seems right.

00:54:51.000 And even in the, let's go take it right away back to the footballers of the World Cup, there's like a code in genius.

00:54:57.000 Like, there's something going on there that's something that's going on beyond.

00:55:03.000 It's a pattern.

00:55:04.000 Something understandable.

00:55:05.000 It's like the perfect game of football exists and the perfect footballer will explore it.

00:55:11.000 Like Michelangelo famously said of his David, I just removed the stone that didn't need to be there and there was David.

00:55:18.000 And like, were it a game of chess, like the perfect game of chess, you see it, they see it, the genius sees it.

00:55:25.000 No, you don't need that bit, you need that bit.

00:55:27.000 And yes, and that means that there is a meaning, there is a deeper truth.

00:55:31.000 It's not just, oh, it's just seeing the sort of chaos of hedonism.

00:55:35.000 Sort of in a way overwhelms that, you know, because ecstasy can just be an overwhelm, you know, like speaking of someone that's obviously overindulged in pleasure in my life.

00:55:45.000 You can, that's, it's a sort of a nihilistic approach to glory, where the self is at the center and the self can't hold true meaning.

00:55:53.000 Only God can.

00:55:54.000 So a human being trying to synthesize God's great glory might try to smother the body in kisses rather than make love with purpose and intention.

00:56:06.000 You have to acknowledge the code.

00:56:08.000 You have to acknowledge the code and the coder, the divine, that which has been encoded within us.

00:56:15.000 It's the echo, Laura.

00:56:16.000 It's the echo and it's the remembrance.

00:56:18.000 Yeah.

00:56:19.000 It's the remembrance that we've been here before, but before we were in our mother's womb, he knew us.

00:56:25.000 Every time we talk about that, I want to talk about Princess Kagawa, but I actually don't, we don't have time to go into that today, but another time we'll talk about that.

00:56:32.000 You're always the boss of everything, you.

00:56:35.000 I am the timekeeper.

00:56:36.000 Why don't you want to talk about Kagawa?

00:56:38.000 Can you see that clock?

00:56:39.000 41 minutes.

00:56:40.000 Yeah, but also because of the nature of our little baby sleeping there.

00:56:43.000 But, um, do Kagawa. 0.71

00:56:44.000 Uh, well.

00:56:45.000 Because I've talked too much.

00:56:46.000 Why don't you do that?

00:56:46.000 No, no, actually, what I wanted to do was I wanted to, um, I wanted to end by reading the Psalm 4.

00:56:52.000 But yeah, if you find it, shall I read it?

00:56:56.000 Well, you know me, you'll never see anyone nimbly, more nimble and quick to find a Psalm than old Rusty.

00:57:02.000 I might start doing it as a carnival trick.

00:57:04.000 There you go, Psalm 4.

00:57:05.000 Quick enough, you can.

00:57:07.000 There we go.

00:57:07.000 So, what I wanted to do to sort of wrap up really today's Sunday service, because we talked about dreams and that idea of actually that sense of fear that we can feel when we wake up.

00:57:20.000 And that night, and that idea that we can pray to God to help us through those dark, dark, I mean, literally physically, those night times, those dark times.

00:57:33.000 I wanted to read this, and that I thought could close today's service, if that's okay with you.

00:57:39.000 Why are you even pretending that you're not in charge of this?

00:57:42.000 Okay, I am going to close today's Sunday service.

00:57:46.000 We'll do that, and perhaps you'll do a prayer as well.

00:57:48.000 Maybe I will, yeah.

00:57:49.000 Maybe I will.

00:57:50.000 Psalm 4.

00:57:52.000 Answer me when I call to you, my righteous God.

00:57:55.000 Give me relief from my distress.

00:57:57.000 Have mercy on me and hear my prayer.

00:58:00.000 How long will you people turn my glory into shame?

00:58:04.000 How long will you love delusions and seek false gods?

00:58:09.000 Know that the Lord has set apart his faithful servant for himself.

00:58:13.000 The Lord hears when I call to him.

00:58:16.000 Tremble and do not sin.

00:58:19.000 When you are on your beds, search your hearts and be silent.

00:58:23.000 Offer the sacrifices of the righteous and trust in the Lord.

00:58:27.000 Many, Lord, are asking, Who will bring us prosperity?

00:58:32.000 Let the light of your face shine on us.

00:58:34.000 Fill my heart with joy when their grain and new wine abound.

00:58:40.000 In peace, I will lie down and sleep.

00:58:43.000 For you alone, Lord, make me dwell in safety.

00:58:48.000 That's so beautiful.

00:58:49.000 I love that so much.

00:58:51.000 That really feels.

00:58:55.000 Very peaceful.

00:58:57.000 It's good to read before bed and the delusions and the illusion, and that it will come to you.

00:59:12.000 Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation.

00:59:13.000 We'll be back next week with another conversation with a brilliant, enlightened, and innovative thinker.

00:59:18.000 In the meantime, if you can, stay free.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - July 17, 2026

The Spiritual War Behind the Surveillance State - SF741

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