Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 12, 2026


Who’s Got The Power? | SS19


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00:00:37.000 And welcome to Sunday service with the Brands.
00:00:47.000 We can begin with a prayer.
00:00:59.000 And the Father, your God, praying to them, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
00:01:15.000 We pray for Herbie's surgery to be successful.
00:01:21.000 We pray for strength when we see the anesthetists render his body limp.
00:01:29.000 We thank all the people.
00:01:32.000 I've worked to ensure that they have the skills to help him in this procedure and for the people that have helped him through his procedures up to now.
00:01:40.000 We pray, Holy God, for all of the parents whose children are in surgery and we pray for all the parents that have lost children.
00:01:49.000 Lord God, pray for, as you tell us, Jesus, pray for our enemies, pray for those that wish us harm, and pray for the best outcome for them.
00:02:06.000 We pray for all those we've wronged or that feel that we've wronged them.
00:02:10.000 I, as a husband, pray for my wife.
00:02:13.000 As a father, I pray for my children.
00:02:18.000 And Lord, as an unordained, non clergy person, but a devout believer in you, Lord, and in your presence, ever living, ever loving, all powerful Jesus Christ, Saviour.
00:02:39.000 Only route to the divine power of the source God.
00:02:44.000 We pray for all of those that are watching or listening, even now on Sunday, the 13th of September, or at any point in the future, Lord.
00:02:57.000 May your radiant blessings and power be upon them, and may the presence of the Holy Ghost be felt within them.
00:03:07.000 We pray for the arrival of your infinite joy.
00:03:13.000 And the celebration of your infinite power.
00:03:17.000 In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
00:03:20.000 Amen. Amen.
00:03:26.000 Your double whammy hit me with the emotion there.
00:03:31.000 I mean, beautiful, beautiful feelings that come up, but very, very raw for me.
00:03:36.000 Good.
00:03:38.000 That's Philip Karsha Graha by the musician Satya Graha.
00:03:42.000 That happens to be a musical you wrote about, an opera.
00:03:46.000 I'm sorry.
00:03:47.000 What was the difference?
00:03:51.000 TV show, cool.
00:03:54.000 Yeah, about Gandhi.
00:03:56.000 It's incredible.
00:03:58.000 We went twice, actually.
00:04:00.000 I never thought I would even maybe go to a not for once, but we went twice.
00:04:05.000 Before you get the wrong idea about us as a couple, tell them what I've done in that royal box.
00:04:10.000 I'm not going to.
00:04:12.000 I don't know that I should tell them what you did in that royal box.
00:04:14.000 Well, I will now because otherwise it sounds.
00:04:16.000 The bathroom was too.
00:04:18.000 Far for me to walk.
00:04:19.000 Yeah, okay.
00:04:20.000 That's what I was thinking.
00:04:20.000 Yeah, yes, exactly.
00:04:23.000 And it wasn't on the carpet.
00:04:25.000 I believe there was a receptacle.
00:04:26.000 There was a receptacle.
00:04:27.000 And it was hygienically disposed of, and no one else had to see it.
00:04:30.000 You've got to weigh up whether or not leaving in the middle of a performance about anyone, Madame Butterfly or Gandhi or whatever it is in an opera where it can be at points, like it's quite an intimidating.
00:04:42.000 Or a church service?
00:04:43.000 Or anything.
00:04:44.000 You're not allowed to do that in the church, for sure.
00:04:48.000 But Russell, we did discuss for a moment whether it was appropriate or whatever, but.
00:04:52.000 You know, it walked me right into my wheelhouse here, Laura, because we're now on the subject of authority.
00:04:58.000 And who has authority?
00:04:59.000 There is one who has all authority.
00:05:01.000 That one is a loving God as he expresses himself through us when we're open to him, not when we're in sin.
00:05:06.000 When we're in sin, we're unavailable to his divine power.
00:05:08.000 But once we're in Christ Jesus, we're free.
00:05:11.000 Is there anything else that you.
00:05:13.000 Well, it was a very beautiful prayer.
00:05:14.000 Thank you.
00:05:15.000 And I think sometimes, you know, sometimes a piece of music is the right thing to open up, open the heart.
00:05:24.000 Especially when it's meaningful, because we love that whole album, it's absolutely stunning.
00:05:29.000 But also, your prayer for Herbie, and we're going through a lot this week, particularly.
00:05:36.000 The Lord has blessed us with some good instructions.
00:05:38.000 Blessed us, blessed us with it.
00:05:39.000 Yeah.
00:05:40.000 I'll just finish my point about authority because it's important.
00:05:43.000 Yes.
00:05:45.000 One would have to ask who decides what is more wrong?
00:05:52.000 See, what they about King David, I have heard that King David lived like a Christian before Christ.
00:05:58.000 He lived like he didn't, he wasn't confined by the law.
00:06:02.000 He was confined by what he knew to be right.
00:06:04.000 He danced naked in front of the ark.
00:06:07.000 He stole bread in order to feed his troops.
00:06:09.000 But he had, he listened to a higher calling, King David.
00:06:13.000 Yeah.
00:06:14.000 And he's a proto Christ in numerous ways.
00:06:16.000 He's a shepherd, he's a king, he's a prophet.
00:06:19.000 Yeah.
00:06:20.000 And in slaying the giant Goliath, he prefigures Christ's conquering of death in the same way that Joseph.
00:06:28.000 Entering into the cistern empty of water, as it says in scripture, a cistern, a well without water.
00:06:34.000 Joseph becomes the water.
00:06:35.000 And me and my friends, we were praying rosary.
00:06:38.000 My friends are Catholic.
00:06:40.000 I've not yet become a member of the Catholic Church, but I do believe Jesus Christ wants his church to be completely unified.
00:06:49.000 And I noticed this lovely thing when I was reading it with Brother Joe and Brother Kyle and our new mate, what we've been doing for a while, Jason.
00:07:00.000 But When they throw poor old Joseph down the well, now, while I'm telling this, I don't need to think about Andrew Lloyd Webber's musical, Joseph in his Technicolor Dream Coat, or Philip Schofield playing the part of Joseph.
00:07:18.000 I am thinking about him.
00:07:19.000 I am thinking about him.
00:07:20.000 I'm thinking about him playing it at something like the Woking Peacock Theatre.
00:07:25.000 No.
00:07:25.000 This has all got to be very good biblical images that you've got to have all sand.
00:07:32.000 Yeah.
00:07:32.000 Like it's got to be like as if Christopher Nolan made a movie about the Bible.
00:07:37.000 Okay.
00:07:37.000 So I would like that a lot.
00:07:39.000 And actually, yeah, he's a great filmmaker, no question.
00:07:42.000 So, okay.
00:07:45.000 Here comes the dreamer, say the brothers.
00:07:46.000 These are the 12 tribes of Israel, the founders of.
00:07:50.000 Here comes the dreamer.
00:07:51.000 They said to each other, come now, let's kill him.
00:07:55.000 So the brothers want to sacrifice him.
00:07:58.000 Barabbas was a rebel, the Barabbas who was freed instead of Christ.
00:08:03.000 He was the first person whose life was saved.
00:08:06.000 In a very literal way, one might say his barriers, and throw him into one of these cisterns and say that a ferocious animal devoured him.
00:08:14.000 In a way, a ferocious animal did devour him, their jealousy.
00:08:17.000 Then we'll see what comes of his dreams.
00:08:19.000 His famous Joseph of the Technicolor Dreamcoat fame don't get your identity from your earthly parents, get them from the Heavenly Father.
00:08:26.000 When Reuben heard this, he tried to rescue him from their hands.
00:08:29.000 Let's not take his life, he said.
00:08:30.000 Don't shed any blood.
00:08:31.000 Throw him into this cistern here in the wilderness, but don't lay a hand on him.
00:08:34.000 Reuben said this to rescue him from them and take him back to his father.
00:08:38.000 So, when Joseph came to his brothers, they stripped him of his robe, the ornate robe he was wearing, and they took him and they threw him into the cistern.
00:08:45.000 The cistern was empty, there was no water in it.
00:08:48.000 Interestingly, that emphasizes that point in my analysis is because while at the bottom of that well, Joseph becomes the water the vain, narcissistic show off that's like, I've had this dream, I'm brilliant.
00:09:01.000 He's like a boastful Martin Luther King.
00:09:03.000 Yeah, I had a dream.
00:09:04.000 If Martin Luther King's dream speech had been, I have a dream, I'm brilliant, maybe the world would not have been so well, powerfully directed.
00:09:14.000 He, one thing I will say is that when we talked about because.
00:09:17.000 You started with talking about authority, and we talked about that the other day.
00:09:21.000 It just you can we can talk about it later the parking situation, or whether or not you can or can't park somewhere, and whether or not you listen to the authority or not.
00:09:30.000 I said to you, but there is a difference if there's arrogance like, I can park here if I want.
00:09:38.000 Who do you which God do you serve?
00:09:39.000 Which God do you serve?
00:09:41.000 If like the problem I think in my life up to now, and Lord alone knows there's been many, but the defining one might be that.
00:09:48.000 Everything was about me.
00:09:50.000 And nothing should be about you.
00:09:52.000 There should be no self, no smallest self.
00:09:55.000 The smallest self is the S of sin, the S of even Adam falling in the garden, thinking they've had a better idea.
00:10:05.000 Some lower form, but perhaps higher than them, I don't know.
00:10:09.000 A form, a being, suggests to them that obeying the creator is not the best paradigm or template, but that it might be better to.
00:10:19.000 He misleads them as well.
00:10:20.000 He doesn't tell them the truth.
00:10:20.000 He just says he didn't say you would die and you'll become as gods if you eat this fruit.
00:10:26.000 Right.
00:10:26.000 If you eat this fruit, if you enter this bandwidth, it's the bandwidth of sin from which we've never recovered.
00:10:32.000 But my friend Carl just says he thinks the real sin is in the encounter with God.
00:10:36.000 Remember that God inquires of Adam and Eve in the garden afterwards.
00:10:40.000 He goes, What's up with you lot?
00:10:41.000 Why are you hiding?
00:10:43.000 Why are you wearing clothes?
00:10:44.000 Who told you you're naked?
00:10:46.000 And then he talks that he gives them both a chance to sort of give a different account.
00:10:50.000 They could have gone like Judas Iscariot.
00:10:52.000 Who instead of going to Christ for forgiveness goes back to the rabbis, Adam and Eve could have said, We lost it there.
00:10:59.000 We lost it.
00:11:00.000 We were totally wrong.
00:11:02.000 We were totally wrong.
00:11:03.000 We changed our mind.
00:11:03.000 Sorry, sorry.
00:11:05.000 Of course, the infinite forgiveness of God, one imagines, might have been upon them.
00:11:09.000 But here we are dealing with Joseph.
00:11:12.000 And when Joseph coats his brother, they stripped him of his robe.
00:11:14.000 They took him, they threw him in the system.
00:11:16.000 There was no water.
00:11:17.000 As they sat down to eat their meal, pretty cold hearted, they've just thrown their brother down a well.
00:11:21.000 They're eating a meal.
00:11:22.000 They saw a caravan of Ishmaelites.
00:11:25.000 Now, Ishmael is the brother of Isaac.
00:11:27.000 Abraham has two sons, one, of course, with Hagar, one with his rightful wife, Sarah.
00:11:32.000 Isaac is the line that leads to Jacob, who becomes Israel.
00:11:36.000 And the other one, the Ishmaelites, is this fissure, which is a great fissure in our culture to this day.
00:11:42.000 And the fissure between, I don't know, Judo, Christianity is such a phrase.
00:11:45.000 Do you mean a fissure like a crack?
00:11:47.000 A crack, yes.
00:11:49.000 Yes.
00:11:50.000 Often, one side becomes Islam, one side becomes Christianity, but it's one way of looking at it.
00:11:55.000 Obviously, that's a massive simplification.
00:11:58.000 But check out if you like my argument.
00:12:01.000 Well, it's not my argument that Joseph is a proto Christ.
00:12:04.000 That's a Christian argument.
00:12:05.000 But my particular argument here is the moment of the well is Joseph's crucifixion.
00:12:11.000 It's a type of crucifixion.
00:12:13.000 He dies down there, and the person that comes out is a different person.
00:12:17.000 These Israelites are coming from Gilead.
00:12:19.000 Their camels were loaded with spices, balm, and myrrh.
00:12:23.000 Like their camels were loaded with spices, balm, and myrh.
00:12:27.000 Frankincense.
00:12:29.000 Gold.
00:12:29.000 Gold's there.
00:12:30.000 They're like, these are, they're on their way to Egypt.
00:12:33.000 They're sort of doing a reverse journey.
00:12:35.000 They're going into Babylon.
00:12:36.000 Judah, and Christ is born of the line of Judah, says to his brothers, What will we gain if we kill our brother and cover up his blood?
00:12:43.000 The blood of the brother must be seen.
00:12:45.000 Come, let's sell him to the Ishmaelites and not lay our hands on him.
00:12:48.000 After all, he is our brother, our own flesh and blood, which we drink and eat in the Eucharist.
00:12:54.000 His brothers agreed.
00:12:55.000 So when the Midianite merchants came by, his brothers pulled Joseph up out of the system and sold him for 20 shekels of silver, not 30, but 20, to the Ishmaelites who took him to Egypt.
00:13:07.000 And, you know, anyway, it goes, you will know where it's a word and all know where it goes.
00:13:11.000 But my point is that this is a sort of a.
00:13:14.000 In this, the A code of the Bible, I'm not obviously making the outrageous claim that I've discovered a new code in the Bible, but the A code of the Bible is to guide you to a sort of a personal point of transfiguration.
00:13:26.000 Transfiguration, by my reckoning, is different from transformation in this way.
00:13:34.000 Well, I suppose the literal meaning of it will mean the figure, the individual figure alters.
00:13:38.000 It might be more superficial than form, actually, as a word.
00:13:42.000 But my point is that what I feel in transfiguration is the allusion and reference.
00:13:47.000 To being outside of space and time.
00:13:51.000 That's where it can take us outside of space and time.
00:13:52.000 And I think the book itself is supposed to take us outside of space and time.
00:13:57.000 And what's outside of space and time?
00:13:58.000 Eternity.
00:14:00.000 And what are we called to live in?
00:14:02.000 Eternity.
00:14:03.000 Yes.
00:14:03.000 And we're called to live in it right now.
00:14:05.000 So today I wanted to talk a little bit, Laura, about both our two church, I'm calling it Sunday Adultery.
00:14:15.000 What are you calling it?
00:14:19.000 Church marathon.
00:14:20.000 That's what I'm calling it.
00:14:22.000 Church marathon.
00:14:23.000 Church crawl.
00:14:24.000 Church crawl.
00:14:26.000 Church clap.
00:14:27.000 Ah, Jacob.
00:14:30.000 Church crawl.
00:14:31.000 It's a church marathon.
00:14:31.000 I worry about church culture and don't think it's cool.
00:14:34.000 Like church culture, like the songs that come out of it and stuff like that.
00:14:37.000 But the problem is, like, I actually quite like that church clap song.
00:14:40.000 But the problem, you don't, yeah.
00:14:42.000 Anyway, but it's oversaturated.
00:14:44.000 No, but what it is, is it gets played a lot.
00:14:46.000 And then, like, yeah, it's just, I completely agree.
00:14:48.000 But also, there is some really good.
00:14:50.000 Think of German pop music, right?
00:14:53.000 Yes.
00:14:53.000 I'm not nothing against the Germans.
00:14:56.000 No, I'm joking.
00:14:56.000 Nothing against the Germans.
00:14:57.000 Nothing against the Germans.
00:14:59.000 But think of German pop music.
00:15:00.000 Yeah.
00:15:01.000 Isn't it the problem that you get the idea that there's real pop music?
00:15:04.000 Yeah.
00:15:05.000 I don't know, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, other English groups.
00:15:09.000 Yeah.
00:15:10.000 And then you get the idea that someone's gone, why don't we do our own pop music?
00:15:14.000 Well, there might be some.
00:15:16.000 Yeah, but there's some really very good, like, house music.
00:15:20.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:15:20.000 I was going to say.
00:15:21.000 So we can't.
00:15:22.000 It's very general.
00:15:23.000 Could you pass me the tissue, please?
00:15:24.000 Because my eyes have had tears in them.
00:15:26.000 My eyes.
00:15:28.000 My eyes.
00:15:28.000 Such a weird reference.
00:15:31.000 I know.
00:15:31.000 Anyway, Assassin's Creed.
00:15:34.000 Assassin's Creed.
00:15:37.000 Let's land a few places that we're flying in.
00:15:40.000 I think sometimes that church culture is derivative and expects to be given some sort of credit because it's from the church.
00:15:50.000 But I don't think that.
00:15:51.000 I think art is art and beauty is beauty and glory is glory.
00:15:54.000 So if something's.
00:15:55.000 Like a musician or a type of music, even it has to be good on its own merits.
00:15:59.000 I completely agree.
00:16:00.000 Brandon Lake, I think he's a good musician.
00:16:02.000 Yeah, brilliant.
00:16:02.000 And you, exactly, brilliant.
00:16:04.000 Okay, but sometimes it's not so much great.
00:16:06.000 He's getting away with this because he's Christian.
00:16:08.000 Got it.
00:16:08.000 So, anyway, my uh, so now to my point about the church crawl.
00:16:12.000 Yeah, uh, we're talking about authority, aren't we?
00:16:14.000 Yes, we're talking about authority.
00:16:16.000 Now, whether it's, and I didn't plan to be talking about this, but whether it's the way that one might solve the problem of requiring a mixturation, whether who decides.
00:16:26.000 But this is the correct way to do it.
00:16:28.000 Right.
00:16:29.000 Of course, the idea that you're not hurting anybody, there's more to it than that because you might be hurting yourself or you might be breaking a covenant with God.
00:16:35.000 I don't know.
00:16:36.000 These weren't hurting anybody else, but they were breaking covenant.
00:16:38.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:16:40.000 So, how do you feel about our church crawls?
00:16:43.000 The church calls have been going well, actually, I feel.
00:16:46.000 What Russell and I mean by that is we have been going to two churches, or at least last weekend we did, and we've been discussing it for a while.
00:16:55.000 We've been going to the local church that we have been part of really for about a year or more.
00:17:03.000 Followed by that.
00:17:04.000 You can say the name a bit because journalists have already been there harassing people, so you don't need to hype people.
00:17:09.000 Yes, of course.
00:17:10.000 It's called Redeemer.
00:17:12.000 And we also have been going to a Catholic church.
00:17:17.000 They've not been harassed by the police.
00:17:18.000 They haven't been, so we won't talk about that one.
00:17:21.000 Let the journalists do their own work.
00:17:22.000 Yeah, let them match.
00:17:23.000 Give them something to busy them.
00:17:25.000 Give them something to occupy their Sabbath days with.
00:17:30.000 What I was going to say on it was that I've actually got a lot from.
00:17:34.000 Last week, I got a lot from going to both churches.
00:17:36.000 We have an unbelievable community of friends and really beautiful people at the church, the first church list.
00:17:45.000 Let's call it the 8 30 service.
00:17:47.000 And.
00:17:49.000 It was very meaningful to go somewhere and be welcomed in the way that we were, where it was like loved.
00:17:57.000 That's it, loved.
00:17:58.000 The feeling of love.
00:17:59.000 And beyond it being words, we turned up in the middle of either some music or, anyway, the lights were down and someone was talking, maybe reading messages.
00:18:08.000 So it's not really a lot of talking.
00:18:10.000 The love was felt because we were coming in through the back and I felt the love.
00:18:15.000 People kind of getting out of their seat and hugging us and saying that it was.
00:18:19.000 They were pleased to see us back.
00:18:21.000 And that feeling was very, very beautiful.
00:18:24.000 And sometimes I think you find community to be a bit challenging.
00:18:28.000 I do find that.
00:18:30.000 I do.
00:18:30.000 I find it, I find I get claustrophobic quickly from social situations sometimes.
00:18:37.000 It's like a feeling that I think I even once said to the pastor from that church, I said, sometimes I just want to come in and sit at the back and for no one to notice me.
00:18:47.000 Like I, Well, exactly.
00:18:54.000 I mean, actually, in one of the comments, of course, we're reminding you know, where more than one people gather in my name, you know, it's truly the communion of church, the coming together and the power of prayer in those sort of groups and the feeling of love.
00:19:09.000 I mean, if you did just shut down and isolate yourself, you wouldn't feel the feeling when you walk in a room that people are happy to see you because they wouldn't know you.
00:19:17.000 They wouldn't know you or won't care to know you.
00:19:20.000 But actually, so I tried to, I didn't try very hard.
00:19:24.000 To it felt very natural.
00:19:26.000 I was open hearted in going and I'm thinking, actually, do you know what?
00:19:30.000 It's all goodwill.
00:19:31.000 And I'm not to actually even specifically say, I probably also remember working even in hospitality and really loving a lot of the social element of hospitality and then just being done with it and shutting myself in the office and literally telling people that I wasn't there.
00:19:48.000 You weren't cut out for hospitality.
00:19:50.000 Anyone who works in hospitality and part of the during the working day shuts themselves in the cave.
00:19:58.000 To avoid people.
00:19:58.000 I know.
00:19:59.000 That's true.
00:20:00.000 But anyone in hospitality, in management, would know that I'm sure you've all done it.
00:20:05.000 You have no other way of decompressing.
00:20:07.000 And that's why, you know, you've got to decompress.
00:20:10.000 But yes, I did do that often.
00:20:13.000 That's how I feel sometimes in church or in any environment where I feel there might be a lot of eyes on, you know.
00:20:20.000 So yeah, better get used to it.
00:20:22.000 But I feel like that feeling of the double church, the church crawl, as we're calling it.
00:20:30.000 I was raised going to Catholic church and I didn't necessarily connect with it.
00:20:36.000 Well, let's put it more plainly than that.
00:20:38.000 You deliberately wore a boob tube to antagonize your deeply religious father and all of the congregation.
00:20:46.000 That is true.
00:20:47.000 Yeah, that's true.
00:20:48.000 And I was actually encouraged by my mum to actually carry on and go into the church because she thought if she knows she's going to get away with this, she's going to do it every time.
00:20:57.000 So I actually had to sit in church in that outfit.
00:21:00.000 I was dressed as a spice girl.
00:21:02.000 I had color in my hair and everything mascara, hair mascara.
00:21:07.000 Of course, in microcosm, what would happen there is you'd start.
00:21:10.000 To worship the false gods of the culture.
00:21:12.000 Yes, that's correct.
00:21:13.000 As good as the one true God.
00:21:14.000 That's correct. 1.00
00:21:14.000 I love the Spice Girls. 1.00
00:21:15.000 They're fantastic.
00:21:16.000 They are wonderful, but it's not necessarily appropriate, some of that up.
00:21:19.000 They're not gods.
00:21:20.000 The garms for church.
00:21:22.000 So, anyway, the thing I get from the Catholic Church, I feel like I'm very responsive to the discipline of the Catholic Church service.
00:21:33.000 I feel like.
00:21:33.000 The order and form, I guess.
00:21:34.000 Yes, the form.
00:21:35.000 And I really, that to me all.
00:21:37.000 So it feels very.
00:21:39.000 It feels more formal.
00:21:40.000 And for me, that serves something in me, maybe.
00:21:43.000 To balance out some of the other chaos, formality, formality, it's nature is like you know, it's going to happen.
00:21:48.000 I mean, I'm a 12 step person, I go to 12 step meetings, and what I like more than you know, just a hangout, I'd hang out with any 10 people in a 12 step situation.
00:21:57.000 I'm comfortable that the beginning's like, Hello, time now for me to start.
00:22:01.000 My name's so and so, and yeah, whatever it is that, yeah, um, for the next hour, we're here's a reading, so and so's agreed to read this reading, so and so's, and then one by one, we share, we don't comment on each other's shares.
00:22:13.000 I like form.
00:22:15.000 Because what form is, is order.
00:22:17.000 Yes.
00:22:17.000 One of the ways of understanding good versus evil in these complex times is order versus deleterious and decay and entropic aspects of chaos.
00:22:28.000 Yes.
00:22:29.000 But the vortex out of which all reality comes is a protean super state, which could become anything.
00:22:34.000 And then it's the divine principle that makes it good.
00:22:37.000 So I too like being in the order of the caveat.
00:22:42.000 And then also the music is X. Beautiful music.
00:22:46.000 Unbelievable, quiet choral music.
00:22:48.000 It's choral, it's Latin, some of the songs.
00:22:52.000 Oh my gosh.
00:22:53.000 And I know we took probably week, let's say what we're on, week 16, week 17 now, maybe of Sunday service, perhaps.
00:22:59.000 I should know this because I'm logging them.
00:23:01.000 But let's say it was week five or six, we talked about watching Empire of the Sun, and there's a beautiful song in that.
00:23:15.000 And they played that.
00:23:17.000 Second week we went to the Catholic Church, and oh my gosh, it was so exciting to hear it like the just the most stunning version of that song.
00:23:26.000 And I think in Emperor of the Sun, I feel like it's maybe being sung in Welsh, it feels like maybe it's Welsh.
00:23:33.000 And this was in English speaking, absolutely stunning, stunning.
00:23:38.000 And I am moved.
00:23:40.000 Oh well, you played that sats graha, I remember sats graha, sats graha.
00:23:47.000 I could listen to that song at any point and be moved.
00:23:49.000 So, then when you're in a church and it's that sort of feeling of quiet, I get a lot of quiet contemplation in there.
00:23:59.000 That's what I feel, quiet contemplation.
00:24:02.000 And when I'm in that contemplative state, I feel I am absorbing maybe more.
00:24:07.000 But also, I do want to say that I just absolutely adore the sermons of our pastor at our church.
00:24:14.000 Excellent.
00:24:15.000 So clever, so bright, and yeah, brilliant.
00:24:18.000 And the people are so friendly and lovely.
00:24:20.000 Well, today is the 24th Sunday in ordinary time.
00:24:22.000 If you're attending Catholic service, and you'll get the first reading, it will be Sirach.
00:24:26.000 It's an Old Testament book, sometimes known as Ecclesiastes, which ain't in the Protestant Bible.
00:24:32.000 It's a kind of a wisdom book.
00:24:34.000 And here is the reading that you'll be getting if you go to church today.
00:24:38.000 Anger and fury are both of them abominable, and the sinful man shall be subject to them.
00:24:44.000 I do suffer from that.
00:24:45.000 He that seeketh to revenge himself shall find vengeance from the Lord, and he will surely keep his sins in remembrance.
00:24:52.000 Wow, that's some real turn the other cheek stuff going on there.
00:24:56.000 Forgive thy neighbor if he hath hurt thee, and then shall thy sins be forgiven to thee when thou prayest.
00:25:03.000 All right, so is anyone in your heart you've not forgiven?
00:25:06.000 Forgiveness is hard, isn't it?
00:25:07.000 Forgiveness is like you've got to become like Joseph, living water.
00:25:11.000 Like how I check for forgiveness, because 12 steps is really important, forgiveness, especially when you get to step eight, steps eight and nine, making a list of people you've wronged and becoming willing to make amends to them all.
00:25:22.000 And then step nine, making amends to those people where appropriate if making amends wouldn't make the scenario worse.
00:25:26.000 Yeah.
00:25:27.000 So forgiveness is like part of the water of life, it's part of not holding on.
00:25:31.000 Forgiveness, even listen to the sound of the word forgiveness.
00:25:35.000 There's flow in the sound of forgiveness.
00:25:38.000 Forgive thy neighbor if you have heard thee.
00:25:39.000 I know you're contemplating something.
00:25:40.000 If you have an answer, please feel free to give it.
00:25:42.000 Then shall thy sins be forgiven to thee when thou prayest.
00:25:45.000 Man to man reserve of his anger, and doth he seek remedy of God.
00:25:50.000 Wow, who are we to judge or condemn one another?
00:25:53.000 He hath no mercy on a man like himself, and doth he entreat for his own sins.
00:25:57.000 He hath no mercy on a man like himself, and doth he entreat for his own sins.
00:26:02.000 Man to man reserve of anger, and he doth seek the remedy of God.
00:26:08.000 He hath no mercy on a man like himself.
00:26:10.000 And doth he intrigue for his own sins right?
00:26:12.000 So, if you're going to judge someone like God, you better be honest about who you are and what you've done.
00:26:17.000 I will say, I don't think I'm burdened by a lack of forgiveness.
00:26:20.000 I don't think it's like, because when I'm really trying to think, and there are people that come to mind.
00:26:26.000 And what kept coming up, blind spots kept coming up in our life.
00:26:29.000 Yeah.
00:26:29.000 And what I realise is that we must pray to you, Almighty Father, to search us, like it says in your Psalms.
00:26:37.000 Search us.
00:26:38.000 If there's someone we've not forgiven, let us forgive them, Lord.
00:26:40.000 Show us.
00:26:41.000 We don't know our own ignorance.
00:26:43.000 We don't know what sins of omission we have committed.
00:26:45.000 We don't know.
00:26:45.000 I mean, I think we're pretty good on the sins of commission, the things we've done.
00:26:49.000 Lord, we atone and we repent and we remain ready for your guidance in how we can correct anything that you want to see corrected.
00:26:59.000 May I ask a question?
00:27:00.000 When one thinks about forgiveness, I'm casting my mind back, but if there's a current lack of forgiveness because you think that the action of the person is still continuing, then you have to maybe pray for them to.
00:27:15.000 Find God?
00:27:16.000 Do you pray for love?
00:27:17.000 Yeah.
00:27:18.000 Yeah, like, because actually, I'm not sure if forgiveness seems like that there's an action that's been done and completed.
00:27:25.000 Whereas, listen, go on.
00:27:27.000 It says here, we're outside of the realm of man.
00:27:29.000 Right.
00:27:30.000 Look, man to man reserveth anger and doth he seek remedy of God?
00:27:35.000 He's asking you a question.
00:27:36.000 If you've got, if there's a human being bothering you, do you want the remedy of God?
00:27:41.000 Yes.
00:27:41.000 Well, then, do you have to have mercy on a person that's just like you?
00:27:46.000 Yeah.
00:27:46.000 And are you acknowledging that you have done things wrong yourself in your own life, Russell?
00:27:51.000 Yeah.
00:27:51.000 Right.
00:27:52.000 Now it continues He that is but flesh nourisheth anger, and doth he ask forgiveness of God?
00:27:59.000 Who shall obtain pardon for his sins?
00:28:01.000 We need God to be forgiven.
00:28:03.000 We can't forgive one another.
00:28:04.000 No human authority can solve our problems for us.
00:28:06.000 No human authority is powerful enough.
00:28:08.000 Even human authorities that make the claim, whether they are media, judicial, criminal, judicial, any authority, religious.
00:28:17.000 Yeah.
00:28:17.000 If you say we know what's right and we know what's wrong, you're saying there's such a thing as right or wrong.
00:28:23.000 If you're saying there's such a thing as right and wrong, you are claiming that there isn't a principle.
00:28:28.000 The principle, even if you, I was about to say immuable principle, but I'm sure people might go, Oh, the principle evolved over time or whatever.
00:28:33.000 But our Lord Christ, He says, I am the Alpha and the Omega.
00:28:37.000 I'm outside of time.
00:28:38.000 I'm the beginning, the end.
00:28:39.000 Not only that, I'm the alphabet via which you, and of all epistemology and ontology, all knowledge is written in me.
00:28:49.000 I am it.
00:28:50.000 I am it.
00:28:50.000 I am the truth, the life, the way.
00:28:53.000 I am all things.
00:28:54.000 So, and when we break covenant, what we do is we go, I want to be in charge.
00:28:58.000 So, by not forgiving and then rationalizing that not forgiveness, what we're doing is we're edging.
00:29:02.000 Our Lord out and set ourselves up as an authority.
00:29:05.000 Yep.
00:29:06.000 Remember thy last things and let enmity cease.
00:29:11.000 Remember thy last things and let enmity cease.
00:29:14.000 For corruption and death hang over in his commandments.
00:29:18.000 Remember the fear of God and be not angry with thy neighbor.
00:29:22.000 Remember the covenant of the Most High and overlook the ignorance of thy neighbor.
00:29:27.000 That's beautiful, isn't it?
00:29:29.000 Yes, it is.
00:29:29.000 It really is.
00:29:30.000 And obviously, off the back of the topic last week, which was love thy enemy.
00:29:34.000 Love thy neighbor, but I guess it would be love thy neighbor, forgive thy enemy.
00:29:39.000 But the idea.
00:29:40.000 Jesus Christ, Nikki Gumbel says that Jesus Christ removes the statute of limitations on neighbor.
00:29:46.000 Like, neighbor is brother, other person, other person.
00:29:50.000 Is it a human being?
00:29:51.000 Like, again, like Mr. Rogers says, who's the most important person?
00:29:55.000 You are, because I'm talking to you now.
00:29:56.000 Yeah.
00:29:57.000 So, like, your neighbor is the person who's in front of you now.
00:30:01.000 We try to pervert it and create little sub covenants of like, well, only that person's my neighbor because they are.
00:30:07.000 Well, I do believe that the story about this tragic story of those murdered children is entering into further complexity as people using the broken and warped lens of our social analysis attempt to understand something that's impossible to comprehend.
00:30:22.000 And if your allegiance is postpartum depression, which is a real thing, and you would speak to that, I'm sure, but also a kind of what I'd say secularized and desacularized femininity.
00:30:38.000 Like thinking that the female is sacred without God doesn't make sense.
00:30:42.000 The reason women are sacred is because they are made in God's image.
00:30:47.000 In his image, he made them.
00:30:49.000 Man and woman, he made them in his likeness and expression of himself.
00:30:53.000 Is that what you sometimes say?
00:30:55.000 Imahode?
00:30:56.000 What's the word?
00:30:57.000 Imahode is the Latin for image of God.
00:30:59.000 Yeah.
00:31:00.000 Imahode.
00:31:01.000 I don't say it.
00:31:02.000 Well, you have said it a couple of times, maybe even this week.
00:31:06.000 Maybe not.
00:31:07.000 Maybe soon.
00:31:07.000 Walking around, shouting out Latin.
00:31:10.000 Maybe I've seen it somewhere.
00:31:11.000 I think it's written on a reborn.
00:31:12.000 I think what that is is merchandise.
00:31:15.000 That is, well, it's working.
00:31:17.000 Because it's gone into my subconscious.
00:31:20.000 I'm thinking it's you saying it.
00:31:21.000 It's actually a reborn.
00:31:22.000 It's actually a picture of a bird on a branch, isn't it?
00:31:25.000 Oh, I love that.
00:31:25.000 Yeah, that's my t shirt.
00:31:26.000 It's from Matthew.
00:31:27.000 I know.
00:31:27.000 And he loves the, not one sparrow falls that you don't know about.
00:31:31.000 He loves you.
00:31:31.000 He's looking out for you.
00:31:32.000 You don't need to worry about nothing, mate.
00:31:34.000 Yeah.
00:31:34.000 He's got your back.
00:31:35.000 He's worried about the birds and the flowers.
00:31:36.000 Look how beautiful they are.
00:31:38.000 What do they do?
00:31:39.000 It's one of my favourite bits of life of Brian.
00:31:41.000 One of my favourite bits of Larsh.
00:31:43.000 Brian, this is so brilliant.
00:31:45.000 I want to make the kids watch it actually.
00:31:46.000 There's a bit where he, Brian, as part of a chase, drops into an unlikely scenario where he's amidst a bunch of ranting streets preachers, a la Hyde Corner, a la Hyde Pike Corner, Speaker's Corner.
00:32:01.000 And like he can, he's heard them sort of like ones like I think Terry Gilliam going, Oh, and the fire will consume you, like kind of stuff.
00:32:08.000 And then one of them is like a really dry paling being like, Oh, you know, people have placed these raffia.
00:32:14.000 A man will misplace, he said, and he put it there only just the night before.
00:32:18.000 It's really timid and boring.
00:32:20.000 And Brian sort of just looks around, hears what they're saying, and just does his best to remember what he heard Jesus say at the Sermon of the Mount.
00:32:27.000 That's amazing.
00:32:27.000 He goes, you know, he goes, well, don't worry so much.
00:32:33.000 Like, look at the birds.
00:32:34.000 What do you mean, look at the birds?
00:32:35.000 Well, do the birds have jobs?
00:32:38.000 And then someone, Michael Payne in the crowd, goes, do the birds have jobs?
00:32:43.000 That's such a stupid idea.
00:32:46.000 That's amazing.
00:32:46.000 I love that.
00:32:47.000 That's very funny.
00:32:48.000 He's saying the birds are scroungers.
00:32:50.000 Oh, he's having a go at the flowers now.
00:32:51.000 Oh, that's very funny.
00:32:52.000 Look, it doesn't matter.
00:32:53.000 Okay, okay.
00:32:54.000 And he tries to go again.
00:32:55.000 A man had two servants, but now they don't trust him.
00:32:58.000 What were their names?
00:32:59.000 It doesn't matter.
00:33:00.000 Oh, he's making it up.
00:33:02.000 All right, Simon and Adrian.
00:33:03.000 Oh, he said he didn't know.
00:33:05.000 It's really good.
00:33:06.000 It's very good.
00:33:07.000 Because I suppose what that brilliant comedic lens of those geniuses of Python demonstrates is that if you bring comedic scrutiny and a lack of faith to scripture, you miss the essential message.
00:33:18.000 But like that moment in my whole day, is you are made in the image of God.
00:33:21.000 So he's on you.
00:33:22.000 And even the worst things and the most painful things and the most difficult things that happen in your life is him fashioning you and shaping you for his purpose.
00:33:28.000 And if you turn to him and repent of your former life, You will be saved.
00:33:31.000 But if you try and handle it on your own, it ain't going to go well for you.
00:33:34.000 So that's why we surrender to God.
00:33:36.000 You're right.
00:33:37.000 Here in Romans, my Lord, is there anything you want to say?
00:33:39.000 Well, only that, well, actually, it's just about, yes, not trying to control things and allowing God to sort of make his presence known in situations where you really want to try and shape it into what you want it to be.
00:33:56.000 But actually, when you actually release that and let go of that feeling, you know, it does tend to.
00:34:03.000 Fall into place in sort of an unexpected way, I suppose.
00:34:06.000 I mean, I'm feeling the holy flow of the Lord in all things, whether it's the Gainesville tortoise.
00:34:11.000 Yeah.
00:34:11.000 You know, we're continually being shown He's with us.
00:34:13.000 Let me read this.
00:34:14.000 You're doing really well.
00:34:15.000 I'm proud of you.
00:34:16.000 Okay.
00:34:16.000 Thank you.
00:34:17.000 I'm proud of you and I love you.
00:34:18.000 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us, this is Romans 14 7.
00:34:23.000 If these are the church reasons, I've sort of decided that I would read what the Catholics are reading as soon as I'm ahead of them when I get there tomorrow.
00:34:32.000 You're trying to pip them to the post.
00:34:33.000 God.
00:34:36.000 I'm picking them to the pope.
00:34:37.000 I think we do need one unified church.
00:34:39.000 Yeah, I mean, there's going to have to be some changes, be a give and take, wouldn't there?
00:34:42.000 Yeah.
00:34:43.000 They're all Protestants.
00:34:43.000 They're going to have to give up a little bit of a pound note.
00:34:46.000 They will.
00:34:46.000 Oh, my goodness.
00:34:47.000 I mean, honestly, have a little look at what's been going down.
00:34:49.000 Wow.
00:34:50.000 It's going to be tough times for everyone, but it's what God wants.
00:34:52.000 So here we go.
00:34:52.000 But don't try and read them to beat them.
00:34:55.000 The wrong attitude.
00:34:56.000 We're trying to win the Bible.
00:34:58.000 I won the Bible.
00:34:59.000 This is why you need to do lessons.
00:35:00.000 Completed it.
00:35:01.000 This is why you need to do the course.
00:35:02.000 Completed the Bible.
00:35:04.000 Completed it.
00:35:04.000 Done it.
00:35:04.000 Well, yeah, I mean.
00:35:06.000 Wish Bible too.
00:35:06.000 Done it.
00:35:07.000 Actually, you went up to the priest of the Catholic.
00:35:11.000 Yeah, I'm going to sniff.
00:35:12.000 Yeah.
00:35:14.000 You went up to the priest of the church and you were like, All right, mate.
00:35:18.000 I think I'm going to become Catholic.
00:35:19.000 Oh, brilliant.
00:35:20.000 Wonderful.
00:35:20.000 Well, you could start the.
00:35:21.000 No, don't have time for it.
00:35:25.000 I'll do the quick version.
00:35:26.000 I'm a quick learner.
00:35:28.000 I use like the Ron Brand.
00:35:29.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:35:29.000 Ron Brand.
00:35:30.000 That's very funny.
00:35:30.000 The six go getter.
00:35:31.000 Yeah.
00:35:32.000 I ain't got time to do your own version.
00:35:33.000 Come on, get into one lesson.
00:35:35.000 I'll read the catechism in the car and I'll go.
00:35:38.000 Yeah, I love it.
00:35:40.000 Love it.
00:35:40.000 This is about the actual.
00:35:41.000 Flesh and blood, no problem.
00:35:42.000 I'll be honest, I'm of the mind you should do the course and you should do it in its absolute entirety.
00:35:47.000 Okay, okay.
00:35:49.000 Next time you get points on your license, yeah, you're going to sit there, are you, on the internet and do the course?
00:35:56.000 Well, no, I'm not actually.
00:35:58.000 There you go.
00:35:59.000 Because it's too boring.
00:36:01.000 But ah, good work.
00:36:03.000 All right, 14 7 Romans, let's pit them Catholics to the post.
00:36:07.000 We love you.
00:36:07.000 We love you, our Catholic brothers.
00:36:09.000 Yeah, we do.
00:36:09.000 There is one.
00:36:10.000 I mean, I'm on the, I'm trying to make it sound like we've got to unify the whole church.
00:36:15.000 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves.
00:36:18.000 Oh, that's good, isn't it?
00:36:19.000 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, none of us dies for ourselves alone.
00:36:25.000 If we live, we live for the Lord.
00:36:27.000 If we die, we die for the Lord.
00:36:29.000 So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
00:36:32.000 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life, so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
00:36:39.000 That's pretty good.
00:36:43.000 That's pretty good.
00:36:44.000 That's pretty good.
00:36:45.000 Yeah.
00:36:46.000 Because I heard someone say, I think it might have been my friend from Bethlehem.
00:36:50.000 Yeah.
00:36:50.000 I like her, don't I?
00:36:51.000 Christy from Bethlehem.
00:36:52.000 Yeah, you do.
00:36:53.000 And she's been on your, what's she been doing?
00:36:55.000 She's been on the Rumble show.
00:36:55.000 She's been on the Rumble show.
00:36:56.000 Come on a couple of times.
00:36:57.000 Twice, two weeks running.
00:36:58.000 So, yeah.
00:36:58.000 I mean, what a double act law.
00:37:01.000 Well, one woman, so like little and white that she's so almost diaphanous, translucently white from actual Bethlehem.
00:37:10.000 And another woman, black from Cameroon, big, wearing African dress.
00:37:15.000 I mean, both of them Christian.
00:37:17.000 Absolutely a power, both a combination of powerful, proper Cameroon accent.
00:37:24.000 Yeah.
00:37:25.000 I mean, it was, I met them both, of course.
00:37:28.000 And yeah, I was.
00:37:30.000 You've got to watch it.
00:37:32.000 Have a look, Massy.
00:37:33.000 See if you can find just five seconds that demonstrates just the visual absurdity.
00:37:37.000 It's like Guardians of the Galaxy.
00:37:40.000 That's amazing.
00:37:40.000 Maybe it is Guardians of the Galaxy.
00:37:42.000 So, all right.
00:37:43.000 So, Paul there saying, Better live.
00:37:44.000 And it was Christy that said.
00:37:45.000 And wasn't there a wallaby jumping around, too?
00:37:47.000 There was an albino wallaby.
00:37:49.000 That would be like the fox played by Bradley Cooper or whatever it is.
00:37:52.000 Yeah, that little raccoon.
00:37:53.000 Yeah, raccoon, that's it. 0.89
00:37:54.000 Rocket.
00:37:54.000 Yeah, rocket.
00:37:55.000 Rocket.
00:37:55.000 There was a wallaby.
00:37:56.000 I didn't trust that little thing nibbling at my toes.
00:37:58.000 I mean, we've got the footage.
00:38:00.000 So, um, And a lad with downs commanding it back into his cage.
00:38:05.000 Well, all you needed was some 80s music and you were good to go.
00:38:08.000 We had the lot.
00:38:09.000 That's the whole Guardians of James Gunn package.
00:38:11.000 So, what I wanted to say is that Christie said that, and in the book of Jude, see what he said there is that Christ died and returned to life so he might be Lord of both the dead and living.
00:38:21.000 I wonder if this relates to what it says in Jude over here.
00:38:26.000 That's the last book before Revelation.
00:38:28.000 When he says, this is everyone's Bible.
00:38:33.000 And the angel Jude 6 and the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling, these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great day.
00:38:44.000 For all we know, when our Lord did the death and resurrection, he lived out all eternity.
00:38:50.000 Because what's going on in Revelations when that dragon's chasing the woman and the woman's swallowed?
00:38:54.000 I mean, there's so much goes on, it's certainly beyond my powers of analysis.
00:38:59.000 Okay, so, yeah, so Laura Kate, we're talking about authority, and of course.
00:39:03.000 The whole Catholic Church is about an apostolic line of authority that extends from Peter, but the Bible itself sets up a sort of second authority in John when Christ from the cross says, This is your mother, this is your father.
00:39:17.000 Sort of setting that up in the same gospel, admittedly written by John, but we're not going to start saying that he has some sort of dark motivation, St. John, the beloved apostle or the disciple.
00:39:29.000 Also, in this type of scriptural analysis that I'm deploying, In terms of wanting to look, for example, at the Ethiopian Bible, which I am doing.
00:39:38.000 Yeah.
00:39:39.000 You know, is there anything in the Bible that would make you think that the Ethiopian Bible was worth looking at?
00:39:44.000 Yeah, there is.
00:39:45.000 In Acts, Philip baptizes an Ethiopian who's reading the scroll of Isaiah in a carriage, and Philip baptizes him and sends him on his way.
00:39:53.000 So it's almost like the Bible's got the origin story for the Ethiopian church in it.
00:39:57.000 The Bible also contains the line, you know, Paul cites two Greeks.
00:40:03.000 Yeah.
00:40:05.000 Philosophy and scripture.
00:40:06.000 Anyway, like I'm going in lots of places, but my point about authority is the authority has to come from Jesus Christ, the angel authority.
00:40:13.000 So, like, obeying, and Jesus Christ's authority tells you everything you need to know.
00:40:18.000 Like, love your neighbor, not just do unto your neighbor what you'd have done to you, love your neighbor.
00:40:22.000 Yes.
00:40:22.000 If you're doing things that are not loving to your neighbour, you've gone right off the street.
00:40:26.000 But my point here is that how do you live in the world if you don't respect a majority of the authority?
00:40:39.000 It's a tough time.
00:40:40.000 Because what I mean is that thing about parking.
00:40:43.000 Like, let's just use that as a simple example.
00:40:45.000 Yeah.
00:40:46.000 Okay, yes, you might set yourself some rules.
00:40:48.000 I mean, I'm the same as you.
00:40:50.000 We're not brilliant at parking.
00:40:52.000 We park sort of.
00:40:53.000 In a convenient place that we can see, but we don't block.
00:40:58.000 I would never block someone's.
00:40:59.000 And we never block things.
00:41:00.000 Okay, so is it like I know that where I'm parking is not going to cause anyone harm, and the only thing that will cause harm will be if I get into an argument with the parking attendant?
00:41:11.000 It's basically, and I would handle that lovingly.
00:41:13.000 So, yeah.
00:41:14.000 Like I did when it happened.
00:41:15.000 Yes, yes, yes, you did.
00:41:15.000 Like I did when it happened.
00:41:16.000 Yes, and there was, yeah, absolutely.
00:41:18.000 And to be honest, I'm only using that as an example, otherwise, because we could use the same as we were faced with making some medical decisions this week for our son.
00:41:27.000 And even in that, which, you know, if you are yourself a person who has to hear information about how an operation might go and you have questions and if you have any doubts over pharmaceutical companies or medical establishments or anything like that, then what you have to do is you have to really, like we did, we really respect it, but we also really have to hash it out.
00:41:52.000 I mean, gosh, that poor doctor got such a list of questions from us just so that we could thoroughly.
00:41:57.000 Thoroughly understand, would you say, Russell?
00:42:00.000 And we were doing it, I hope, in a respect respecting the authority of him having trained and done the things and having the experience of the many operations he's done, like that, and all of that stuff.
00:42:10.000 But we had our own battle with having a slightly different opinion on some things.
00:42:16.000 So I'm talking because you've brought up authority, and because this week we have been faced with making decisions from a person and a position of authority, I would say we handled it well, but it was thorough.
00:42:28.000 Would you say?
00:42:29.000 Yes, very thorough.
00:42:30.000 So we went through it.
00:42:31.000 I'm trying to get you on board with this, but you're reading ahead, like reading ahead to the Catholics to try and pip them to the post.
00:42:38.000 I'll tell you why.
00:42:39.000 It's because I found, like, I'm studying Romans 13 here, which is where it tells us that we have to give submission to governing authorities.
00:42:47.000 But I know there's a bit where it says, except unless the government are acting against God.
00:42:53.000 Right.
00:42:53.000 So I'm just looking for that bit.
00:42:54.000 That's why.
00:42:55.000 But you're talking to an important idea about medical authority.
00:42:59.000 Yes.
00:42:59.000 I'm talking about medical authority.
00:43:01.000 Authority in this particular circumstance.
00:43:02.000 I'm guessing that might be one of the reasons you're talking about authority.
00:43:05.000 You might not know it, but I suppose we've been faced with authority this week.
00:43:09.000 We've had to make decisions based on a person that has more experience than us in that world telling us what we should do and it being difficult.
00:43:18.000 We like to interrogate that that authority is a legitimate authority.
00:43:21.000 For example, imagine there was a global pandemic and all of the authorities said, We want you to go in your house, we want to wear these masks, we want to maintain these businesses, we're going to shut these businesses and operations, but we're going to keep these businesses and operations open.
00:43:34.000 We want you to take these medications, what we're calling medications.
00:43:37.000 We want you to take them, and I promise you there's no side effects.
00:43:39.000 And we've trialed them.
00:43:40.000 Over time, you subsequently learn and maybe even intuit at the time that they're not telling you the truth about some of those things.
00:43:47.000 And the more information is revealed, the more you understand that they don't know what they do.
00:43:53.000 They know not what they do, in so much as governments default to control and authority.
00:43:59.000 Corporations default to profit.
00:44:01.000 Now, because they've set those are sinful targets, false authority.
00:44:05.000 And profit are sinful targets.
00:44:08.000 Indeed, the example of Judas is you might have Christ in your literal gang hanging out with him, and you might think money's more important.
00:44:17.000 So, what I think is, of course, the world of medicine is filled, you know, let's say over half, the majority, caring, loving doctors and nurses and hospital porters and scientists and researchers.
00:44:33.000 But if you interrogate the models by which new drugs are brought to market, the way certain treatments are kept off of market, and what the incentives are with some of the bureaucratic institutions and corporate institutions, we're good friends with people that work in, That work in areas like this.
00:44:54.000 And these are some of the most credible and credited people that I have been blessed to know or that we have been blessed to know.
00:45:00.000 So, my point is this you do need to rely on lawyers when you rely on lawyers, judges, police, doctors.
00:45:08.000 These people are the servants of the state.
00:45:10.000 If the state, though, is not in the service of God, things could go crazy wrong.
00:45:14.000 Yeah, crazy wrong.
00:45:16.000 So, it's greater than it coming down to even an individual person.
00:45:21.000 No individual person.
00:45:22.000 All of us in Revelations.
00:45:24.000 John gets given all that information by an angel and he goes to kiss his feet.
00:45:27.000 And the angel's like, No, on your feet, mate, I'm just the same as you.
00:45:29.000 Right.
00:45:29.000 We're all the same.
00:45:30.000 Yeah.
00:45:31.000 Like, you know, when you're looking after our children, you're the authority.
00:45:33.000 Yeah.
00:45:34.000 If I can't think of one where I've struggled, I was about to say, if a car breaks down and you need the wheelchair, that's still you.
00:45:41.000 If there's a medical emergency and someone needs healing, that's still you.
00:45:46.000 If we need some forms filled in, it's you again.
00:45:50.000 Hold on, there must be.
00:45:51.000 If we need someone to make the kids laugh.
00:45:53.000 Yes.
00:45:55.000 If you need a Children's party clown that does is currently on trial for numerous.
00:46:03.000 Oh my god, that's very funny!
00:46:06.000 Praise Jesus!
00:46:07.000 No, there's many things, there's many things you would be authority on.
00:46:10.000 Many things.
00:46:11.000 I only said that one because I wouldn't begin to be able to list all the wonderful things that you do.
00:46:15.000 Thank you.
00:46:16.000 Um, but yeah, start the list and I'll stop you when I get bored.
00:46:20.000 Oh no, don't put me under Piers Morgan style pressure.
00:46:24.000 Well, looking after your family for a start, protecting family.
00:46:28.000 Thank you.
00:46:29.000 Um, but.
00:46:30.000 Go on.
00:46:30.000 So, you're no, but you wanted to finish the example, I'm sure.
00:46:32.000 Really, what I'm saying is that we interrogated the medical advice we were given, and then we had to, and how we did that very practical, actually, wasn't it?
00:46:41.000 It was.
00:46:41.000 We sat and quiet and were told, you know, the herbicide is going to require these procedures.
00:46:46.000 Yeah.
00:46:47.000 And we went, oh, a lot of that sounds against a lot of our principles when it comes to holistic medicine and such.
00:46:53.000 Yeah.
00:46:54.000 But our child has got some very severe and difficult challenges that we are his advocates and supporters for.
00:47:01.000 Yeah.
00:47:02.000 So, we, I think what we did that was good when.
00:47:04.000 We're going to ask this person, this person, and this person.
00:47:06.000 We'll get information from those three people.
00:47:08.000 We'll know more than that.
00:47:09.000 And once we've got the information from those people, we'll make our decision based on what we think they're.
00:47:15.000 And until then, we had to live in the state of uncertainty, holding it together, being polite to the hospital with all their brilliant work and all their expertise.
00:47:23.000 Yeah, and honouring the support of our loving friends who all came through and actually, by God's grace, had a consensus, even though they're from a variety of backgrounds.
00:47:31.000 That was amazing.
00:47:32.000 Yeah, because everybody, this is what it came down to, everybody was dealing with the most.
00:47:38.000 Current, everyone was dealing with the present issue.
00:47:41.000 That's why we could come to a consensus because if you think too much about the future, then you'll think about, oh, what about that?
00:47:46.000 What about that?
00:47:47.000 What about that?
00:47:48.000 Everybody was like, let's take what we have now, let's deal with that.
00:47:53.000 Yeah.
00:47:53.000 So that's like holding the lamp at the feet.
00:47:58.000 You can't see the whole picture and you wouldn't want to see the entirety of the picture, but you do hold the lamp and you can see just the ground in front of you.
00:48:04.000 That's so great.
00:48:06.000 So that is what came through.
00:48:07.000 And what I said when complemented, well, I'm actually complimenting the way we handled it.
00:48:11.000 But no, just telling someone who was sort of like, Gosh, I can't believe that was what you were dealing with the last couple of days.
00:48:18.000 Cause we were also dealing with a number of other things at the same time.
00:48:20.000 And they went, Gosh, I can't believe you had all of that going on.
00:48:22.000 I had no idea.
00:48:24.000 And I said, Well, the main key thing was clear communication.
00:48:29.000 And we really did talk it, talk and go through it to the absolute nth degree so that we had no, we left no stone unturned in the discussion of this subject.
00:48:40.000 And faith and trust.
00:48:41.000 And faith and trust.
00:48:42.000 Yeah, of course.
00:48:42.000 The first, the kingdom of God, yes, and his righteousness, and all this as well.
00:48:47.000 Yeah, because there was, yeah, it was like stay with God, don't make a decision based out of fear, yeah, but don't make a decision based out of anger or control or frustration or lack of faith, yeah.
00:48:56.000 So, that's I thought we'd done a good job, yeah, we did.
00:48:59.000 Our little boy, that's right, it's um, that's that's all the 33s in a row, um, yes.
00:49:03.000 But I have two things I want to do, I've got some comments to read, okay.
00:49:07.000 So, here's some comments, and I also have a little thing that I want to read as well.
00:49:10.000 Um, that list of my attributes as well, that's going to take a while, hopefully, put us out 10 minutes for that, yes.
00:49:16.000 I'll do that to you after the show.
00:49:18.000 Oh, it's pretty fair that.
00:49:19.000 No, because if we're a humble man, if this isn't about.
00:49:23.000 If this isn't.
00:49:25.000 Yeah.
00:49:25.000 It's not for other people.
00:49:26.000 Okay, at CampbellPrater1737.
00:49:30.000 Every week I think that this is my favourite service, and each week they just continue to move me more and more.
00:49:35.000 There's always something profound, yet simple, humble, and something that provokes a hunger for more, that stirs, convicts, encourages, and yes, gives us Holy Spirit goosebumps.
00:49:46.000 We know it's Him in you.
00:49:48.000 Thank you both for continuing to give, to sacrifice, to obey for love, abundant blessings.
00:49:53.000 Thank you very much.
00:49:54.000 That's a really lovely, lovely message.
00:49:56.000 At CF9684, thank you for sharing your Jesus journey.
00:50:01.000 This is a safe place for me to rest in Him and fill up with hope through you sharing with us.
00:50:07.000 Stay free in Him.
00:50:09.000 I love your conversations with each other.
00:50:12.000 Then we've got at PamBaptista7751, the Lord broke through the clouds to smile on you, Lauren Russell, as you Speak his word.
00:50:22.000 He loves you.
00:50:23.000 We were talking last week about something, and then I think we even talked about light, and through that angle, the sun came through.
00:50:30.000 I remember feeling that.
00:50:31.000 It was wonderful.
00:50:34.000 And this actually, I highlighted this because it really did, it's been very important for us this week.
00:50:40.000 At Crackling, you guys have great communication chemistry.
00:50:46.000 So, yeah, that was.
00:50:48.000 And then I've got one more, and just because this made me laugh when I read it.
00:50:51.000 At Mystical Mutants.
00:50:53.000 Suffering people spread suffering.
00:50:56.000 Meanie is hurting.
00:51:01.000 Meanie was an example we gave in last week's show where we just named two examples Nici and Meanie.
00:51:09.000 And this person is referred to as Meanie.
00:51:12.000 Meanie is hurting.
00:51:13.000 Thank you for being beautiful people, helping our journey of being human, walking with Christ to love as Christ did.
00:51:19.000 I appreciate the sincerity and transparency.
00:51:22.000 Yes, because at the time we really debated whether to give.
00:51:26.000 Meany and Nicey actual names, and we thought we didn't want to cast names on the Meany and the Nicey.
00:51:33.000 So that's what stuck.
00:51:35.000 They're choosing the God.
00:51:36.000 That's right.
00:51:36.000 That's right.
00:51:38.000 Well, nice.
00:51:39.000 Thanks for those comments.
00:51:39.000 Please send your comments in.
00:51:40.000 Remember, my book, How to Come Christian in Seven Days, is out.
00:51:43.000 If you don't want to pay for it, you don't have to.
00:51:44.000 You can have it as an audiobook for nothing.
00:51:46.000 It's there.
00:51:46.000 Listen to it.
00:51:46.000 It's me reading it.
00:51:47.000 It's pretty good, I think.
00:51:48.000 And then buy it as a book if you want to support me in some sort of way.
00:51:53.000 Did you have something else, my dad?
00:51:54.000 What else are you going to do before we close the show?
00:51:56.000 Whatever you want.
00:51:57.000 Okay, perfect.
00:51:58.000 Yes, I did.
00:51:59.000 I did want to read a poem, yes.
00:52:00.000 You sound right about it, but it's not scripture.
00:52:02.000 Do you want to read a poem?
00:52:03.000 No, it's not scripture, but what it is is just something someone's made up at some point.
00:52:07.000 Yeah, but this is what this is a mix, isn't it?
00:52:10.000 This show?
00:52:11.000 Mix.
00:52:12.000 It's a romantic mix.
00:52:13.000 We're making things up as we go.
00:52:15.000 It's a walker's board.
00:52:16.000 Christ made things up as he went, but he's outside of time.
00:52:18.000 Well, I get it.
00:52:19.000 Well, you're going to put me off reading this out, and I don't want to do that.
00:52:22.000 I want to read it because Wendell Berry, the poet and the nature writer and the Christian, passed away last week.
00:52:30.000 And we actually talked about him a little bit at the beginning of doing Sunday service.
00:52:35.000 I think we might have read Peace in the Wild Things or.
00:52:39.000 Anyway, he passed away, and it made me think about the book that I've got.
00:52:43.000 Well, one of the books is called Small.
00:52:45.000 This one is called A Small Porch and it's Sabbath Poems.
00:52:48.000 And he was writing these Sabbath poems since the 70s, I think.
00:52:52.000 And so I found one to read today from one of his 1976, I believe it was written.
00:52:57.000 And it's called, well, it's actually, he calls it X, I guess, because that's a Roman numeral of X.
00:53:02.000 But it's known as Whatever is Foreseen in Joy.
00:53:06.000 So this is a Sabbath poem by Wendell Berry.
00:53:09.000 Do you think we should go out on that and I'll just do this Bible reading?
00:53:11.000 Sure.
00:53:11.000 What do you think?
00:53:12.000 Should we go out on the, yeah?
00:53:14.000 I'll do this Bible reading.
00:53:15.000 Yes, perfect.
00:53:15.000 That's great.
00:53:16.000 I'm a bit of a Catholics.
00:53:16.000 Yes.
00:53:18.000 Okay, that's perfect.
00:53:18.000 I'll take us out, Wendell Berry, and maybe a few words of prayer.
00:53:21.000 What do you think?
00:53:23.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:53:24.000 This is today's gospel if you're at a Catholic church.
00:53:29.000 Matthew 18 21 to 35.
00:53:31.000 Then Peter came unto him and said, Lord, how often shall my brother offend against me and I forgive him?
00:53:37.000 Till seven times, seven being the number of completion.
00:53:40.000 Jesus saith to him, I say not till thee, till seven times, but till 70 times, seven times.
00:53:47.000 Therefore, The kingdom of heaven likened to a king who would take account of his servants.
00:53:56.000 Therefore, is the kingdom of heaven likened to a king who would take an account of his servants?
00:54:03.000 And when he had begun to take the account, one was brought to him that owed him 10,000 talents.
00:54:08.000 And as he had not wherewith to pay it, his Lord commanded that he should be sold, and his wife, and his children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
00:54:19.000 But that servant falling down besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
00:54:25.000 And the lord of that servant, being moved with pity, let him go and forgave him the debt.
00:54:29.000 But when the servant was gone, he found one of his fellow servants that owed him a hundred pence.
00:54:33.000 And laying hold of him, he throttled him, saying, Pay what thou owest.
00:54:37.000 And his fellow servant falling down besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I'll pay thee all.
00:54:41.000 Do you like my acting?
00:54:42.000 Yes, it's a surprise.
00:54:43.000 You think I'm overacting?
00:54:44.000 Well, no, it just came out of nowhere because you weren't acting the rest of it.
00:54:47.000 I felt like it was okay for me to play these servants.
00:54:50.000 Okay, good.
00:54:50.000 It's not sacrilege.
00:54:51.000 No, it's good.
00:54:52.000 And we're friends with Jonathan Roomey, who.
00:54:53.000 Portrays Jesus.
00:54:55.000 Yeah, you're right.
00:54:58.000 Carry on with the acting.
00:55:00.000 All right, thanks.
00:55:00.000 And he's got a nosebleed look because he's been punched.
00:55:03.000 That's one of the best bits.
00:55:04.000 Have patience with me, I'll pay thee all.
00:55:07.000 And he would not, but went and cast him into prison till he paid the debt.
00:55:12.000 Now, his fellow servants, seeing what was done, were very much grieved.
00:55:16.000 And they came and told their Lord all what was done.
00:55:20.000 And his Lord called him and said to him, Thou wicked servant.
00:55:23.000 I forgave thee all the debt because thou besoughtest me.
00:55:28.000 Shouldst not thou then have compassion also on thy fellow servant, even as I had compassion on thee?
00:55:35.000 And his Lord, being angry, delivered him to the torturers until he paid all the debt.
00:55:40.000 So also shall my heavenly Father do to you, if you forgive not everyone his brother from your hearts.
00:55:48.000 So there you go.
00:55:49.000 There's a lot of forgiveness in today's law.
00:55:51.000 That is good.
00:55:52.000 Only one has authority.
00:55:53.000 That one is.
00:55:54.000 God.
00:55:54.000 Only God has authority.
00:55:57.000 That's lovely.
00:55:57.000 Good.
00:55:58.000 Thank you.
00:55:58.000 Thank you for the reminder about forgiveness.
00:56:00.000 Yeah, we've got to forgive everyone.
00:56:02.000 And then, as I said, I'm going to read this Wendell Barry little piece of writing.
00:56:05.000 It's not very long, but I suppose what he talks about here is daily faithfulness.
00:56:10.000 And like I said, it's from Sabbath poems.
00:56:15.000 Whatever is foreseen in joy must be lived out from day to day.
00:56:19.000 Vision held open in the dark by our 10,000 days of work.
00:56:24.000 Harvest will fill the barn, for that the hand must ache, the face must sweat.
00:56:29.000 And yet no leaf or grain is filled by work of hours.
00:56:33.000 The field is tilled and left to grace.
00:56:36.000 That we may reap great work is done while we're asleep.
00:56:40.000 When we work well, a Sabbath mood rests on our day and finds it's good.
00:56:46.000 And that's by Wendell Berry.
00:56:47.000 And I suppose what I like about it is the idea that it's talking about it is talking about the daily faithfulness and the routine.
00:56:56.000 And we talked about sort of a structure and form of the church, the Catholic Church specifically that we attended.
00:57:02.000 And then you have a form and you have a working day.
00:57:04.000 And it is difficult sometimes.
00:57:06.000 This is a Sunday service, a Sabbath day.
00:57:08.000 Sometimes it's difficult to know.
00:57:11.000 How to treat a Sabbath.
00:57:13.000 And I think what's being said there is you do the form, you do the work, and then you leave enough room for God to do the rest.
00:57:20.000 And in the Sabbath day.
00:57:23.000 And I suppose it says in the Bible, doesn't it, that God does the work while we're asleep.
00:57:27.000 I don't know where that is, but there's a passage somewhere in the Bible that refers to something around that, that while we're asleep, you know, while we're asleep.
00:57:34.000 But Paul says it don't matter who plants the seed.
00:57:37.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:57:38.000 It gets grown.
00:57:39.000 Yes.
00:57:40.000 So don't fixate on that.
00:57:41.000 What happens to it?
00:57:41.000 And our Lord Jesus says.
00:57:44.000 The Sabbath is made for man, yes, not man for the Sabbath.
00:57:48.000 So, the Sabbath is the place of grace and faith that acknowledges that all true power is God, yes.
00:57:56.000 That God will, when we're handed, we're not handing our child or our lives or anything over to anyone but God, to anyone but God.
00:58:05.000 God's will, not ours, yes.
00:58:08.000 Faith in the Sabbath, that's what we're creating now in prayer will be with Herbie as he goes under anesthetic and as he has the surgery and as he rouses and he's.
00:58:17.000 Back in our arms, and as we look after him.
00:58:20.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:58:21.000 In the holy name.
00:58:23.000 Nice.
00:58:24.000 Thank you.
00:58:25.000 Will you take us out for a little prayer then?
00:58:27.000 Actually, can you pray?
00:58:30.000 Yeah, I can also set fire to a pen at a moment.
00:58:32.000 Well, don't do that, but I'd prefer if you prayed today because, yeah.
00:58:37.000 Most holy God.
00:58:40.000 When you beard Abraham, sacrifice Isaac, he obeyed.
00:58:46.000 He obeyed you, God.
00:58:47.000 He didn't obey any fear he might have felt or any concern because he knew that you had told him that his descendants would be as multitudinous as the stars, Lord.
00:58:58.000 So Abraham reasoned that were he to sacrifice his son, you would raise him from the dead.
00:59:09.000 And surely you did raise your own son.
00:59:11.000 You spare us, Lord.
00:59:13.000 It's you, Lord, that walks through all of this.
00:59:16.000 The body is so real.
00:59:18.000 The world is so stimulating, the mind is so busy, Lord, that sometimes we are distracted from the divine truth of your eternal presence, Lord.
00:59:30.000 Today, we entrust our lives and our marriage and our what we as human beings would call futures, all unto you.
00:59:40.000 We lay them at the foot not only of your cross, Lord Jesus Christ, for redemption, but at the foot of your throne.
00:59:45.000 For your cross, that place of shame became the place of your glory and your power.
00:59:52.000 Risen Jesus.
00:59:53.000 As you were split asunder, the temple curtain was torn asunder, granting us access, Lord, to your eternal and intimate and holy power, which repenting of the world and of sinfulness, we accept in you.
01:00:10.000 Thank you for family.
01:00:12.000 Thank you, Lord, for Herbie.
01:00:14.000 Thank you for our two daughters.
01:00:17.000 Thank you for our beautiful friends.
01:00:20.000 Thank you, Lord God, for our ancestors reaching back to the very heart of this mystery.
01:00:25.000 Where all things began in you, most holy God.
01:00:29.000 We pray for all those that join us in congregation, apparently remotely, but joined by the limitless fabric of your word.
01:00:39.000 We pray for their peace and we pray for everyone, Lord.
01:00:43.000 We pray for harmony and unity and maximum holiness in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
01:00:49.000 Amen.
01:00:50.000 Amen.
01:00:52.000 Thank you.
01:00:54.000 Yeah.
01:00:54.000 Thank you.
01:00:55.000 Yeah.
01:00:55.000 Okay.
01:00:56.000 Oh, there we go.
01:00:57.000 I think it's going to bath itself.
01:01:03.000 Ah, just good.
01:01:04.000 I'm just very tired and hot.
01:01:06.000 I love your rest.
01:01:07.000 Yeah.
01:01:08.000 I love you.
01:01:09.000 Love you.