Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 16, 2026


Feminists Rage at Sydney Sweeney While THIS Gets You DEPORTED - SF757

Who’s Got The Power? | SS19

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00:03:46.000 Hello, thanks for joining me live for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:03:49.000 Have a look around this place.
00:03:50.000 We're just absolutely strewn with brilliant people.
00:03:54.000 Derek here is going to do an act of barbarism.
00:03:56.000 Well, he's going to trim my beard.
00:03:58.000 It might not necessarily be barbarism.
00:03:59.000 Is that the correct barbarism?
00:04:01.000 Barbarism.
00:04:01.000 Barbarism.
00:04:02.000 I'm getting some barbarism right on the old boat race, as we'd say in the UK.
00:04:05.000 That means faces, cockney rhyming slang.
00:04:06.000 We're going to be talking to my friend Timothy Albarino about, uh oh, we're going to be talking about the Dead Sea Scrolls.
00:04:13.000 We're going to be getting deep.
00:04:14.000 We're going to be looking at the meaning behind meaning.
00:04:16.000 We're going to be looking at the very depth.
00:04:18.000 We're going to be going deep, deep, deep into the Caves, we're gonna go deep under the water, deep into the forest.
00:04:22.000 We're gonna be able to go beyond century reality and into new realms today on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:04:27.000 See you in a second.
00:04:28.000 Wake me up, wake me up, can I wake me up?
00:04:35.000 Wake me up, can just wake me up.
00:04:53.000 Russell Brand.
00:04:54.000 Yeah, thank you.
00:04:54.000 Sorry about that, Tim.
00:04:55.000 I'm still.
00:04:55.000 Hey, I'm Russell Brand.
00:04:56.000 This is still me on my microphone.
00:04:57.000 Mackenzie Burley's also with me.
00:04:59.000 Mackenzie, what are you going to be doing?
00:05:01.000 That's a good question.
00:05:01.000 I guess that's up to you.
00:05:04.000 Well, there you go.
00:05:05.000 Well, thankfully, I'm a married man and we'll simply deal with this extraordinary set of instruments.
00:05:11.000 Yeah, some sound bowls, white quartz bowls, and some Tibetan bowls.
00:05:15.000 How do I know this isn't devil worship?
00:05:17.000 How do I know?
00:05:18.000 I guess you only know what's in your heart, right?
00:05:20.000 Let's have a good look inside there.
00:05:21.000 That's been nothing but trouble so far.
00:05:23.000 We've got a fantastic show coming up.
00:05:24.000 I'm going to be talking to my mate Timothy Albarino in a matter of moments.
00:05:28.000 But before that, let's have a quick look, Jake.
00:05:33.000 My mate Jake's here.
00:05:34.000 Round of applause for Jake, everybody.
00:05:39.000 Now, this is pretty interesting now.
00:05:41.000 As we get deeper into our voyage into the mystery of intimate connection to Christ and the revealed deep truth that all of our institutions have been captured by and are controlled by evil, we're still.
00:05:55.000 Trying to have a bit of a laugh.
00:05:57.000 My country, the United Kingdom, seems to be controlled now by the type of authoritarianism that typically asserts itself these days the authoritarianism that's here to help you.
00:06:08.000 As you know, in the good old days of the 20th century, the mustachioed despots and tyrants, your Stalins and your Hitlers, would turn up in shiny boots and a mustache and tell you straight, we're taking control.
00:06:19.000 These days in the United Kingdom, they're here to help.
00:06:22.000 Now, you might have moral questions if you are a Muslim or even any person of faith.
00:06:27.000 As to the very methods being used here by this protester, a British man dressing up in a burqa, the religious dress of a Muslim woman, in order to evade being filmed.
00:06:38.000 In my country, the UK, you are on camera at all times, whether you want to be or not.
00:06:44.000 It has become a surveillance state.
00:06:46.000 This man is attending a protest wearing a face covering, and he's made this, some would say, comic choice, and others would say, blasphemous choice, of wearing a burqa.
00:06:56.000 Let's have a look at it and see how we feel about it morally.
00:06:58.000 But remember, this is taking place in the UK, which is.
00:07:01.000 It's fast becoming a prison island.
00:07:03.000 Let's check it.
00:07:03.000 It's because I'm converting to Islam and I'm gender fluid and I feel very comfortable in this here and I like mixing with people.
00:07:13.000 I'm not here for any sort of trouble.
00:07:15.000 I'm here because I feel I'm changing to Islam.
00:07:19.000 Please vote.
00:07:20.000 Obviously, you understand why we have to say that.
00:07:25.000 So that is fine.
00:07:26.000 And we will feed that back to you.
00:07:31.000 Okay?
00:07:32.000 I want your back.
00:07:33.000 Sorry.
00:07:34.000 The people who come up just coming with your neighbour, you know what I mean, Sue?
00:07:42.000 Dusty.
00:07:42.000 Dusty.
00:07:43.000 Nice to meet you, Dusty.
00:07:45.000 I mean, what's brilliant about this is the Britishness, the ballsy Britishness of it.
00:07:50.000 Now, me, I love Muslim folk, and I'm not down with anything that creates division or hatred between us.
00:07:58.000 There's simply no point.
00:08:00.000 We do have an enemy, and it's a serious enemy, and it's an enemy we all share.
00:08:05.000 There ain't no point these days in phony tribalism between aspects of one faith or even different religions.
00:08:11.000 Our focus must be the institutions that are capturing control at a global level at an extraordinary space and pace.
00:08:19.000 What I'm saying is, what's revealed in the Epstein files and what's alluded to in ancient scripture, including the book of Enoch, and I'll be talking to the author of this book, Timothy Alvarino, in a minute.
00:08:30.000 What's revealed in scripture and non canonical texts from the Second Temple era is that we are indeed.
00:08:38.000 In a powerful and profound spiritual war.
00:08:40.000 What I like about it is not the kind of element that's sort of lightly mocking women that wear hijabs and burqas.
00:08:47.000 What I like is the complexity that it presents the police officer with of not knowing how to handle someone that's wearing a burqa in public.
00:08:56.000 Because in the UK now, we arrest more people for social media posts than any other person.
00:09:01.000 We're trying to instantiate facial recognition technology to an extraordinary degree.
00:09:07.000 And it's become a country that's startling and difficult to be in.
00:09:12.000 And I just like a little bit of ballsy British spirit.
00:09:14.000 You know, I think it can be an important aspect of freedom.
00:09:17.000 But he actually, the guy was eventually arrested.
00:09:19.000 Let's have a look at that predictably.
00:09:22.000 And obviously, he was ultimately arrested.
00:09:25.000 Yeah, they've arrested him for that.
00:09:28.000 So, hey, meanwhile, in your country, the United States of America, the Lindsey Clancy or Clancy trial continues to get a lot of attention.
00:09:37.000 Often there are these kind of trials or public events that seem like a lightning rod for public attention.
00:09:45.000 That happens a lot.
00:09:46.000 And this seems to be one of those cases.
00:09:48.000 And there's still a.
00:09:51.000 There's still a standout juror.
00:09:52.000 Let's have a look at what this female juror says.
00:09:55.000 One of the jurors now, I think, has spoken publicly about what she saw her role as a juror as being.
00:10:01.000 Now, my understanding of a juror is that's 12 people.
00:10:04.000 I guess that's emulating the idea that 12 means completion in community 12 tribes of Israel, 12 disciples, 12 months in a year.
00:10:13.000 There's a language in numbers.
00:10:15.000 And I suppose that if you are a juror, you're being invited to transcend your personality and your ideology.
00:10:22.000 And to be a participant in community.
00:10:24.000 In fact, one of the things I think would be amazing are more assemblies, more juries, more dissolution of power, more empowerment of ordinary people.
00:10:33.000 Let's see what this juror says about how she adjudicated on the Lindsay Clancy trial.
00:10:37.000 Let's check it.
00:10:39.000 We knew that this was a turning point and this would be something that could change something to make it better for other women in the future, for other families.
00:10:53.000 You know, justice for those children is this never happening again, okay?
00:11:00.000 Um, wow, yeah, that I suppose that kind of is justice, but it's an interesting thing that the cultural war has become so absolute and immersive that people see their role to be participating in it at all times.
00:11:14.000 That there's no point where you're not a participant in a cultural tribal war, when in fact, what you are a participant in is a war that's much more serious than that, and something that's not abstract and unfamiliar.
00:11:26.000 Within yourself, you're aware of conflict.
00:11:28.000 Within yourself, you're aware of a kind of invading colonial power.
00:11:33.000 Within yourself, you're aware, I'm sure, are you, of temptation?
00:11:36.000 Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that.
00:11:40.000 Apparently, the lone holdout jury was black.
00:11:42.000 Some people see that as significant.
00:11:44.000 I'm not that bothered myself, other than I suppose what it does is it means it's harder to pick sides and make the kind of assumptions that become absolutely irrelevant when you accept that you yourself are a participant.
00:11:56.000 In eternity, in the present moment, right now, and that all humanity is your family.
00:12:01.000 And that's just one of the things we'll be talking about with my guest, Timothy Albarino, in a minute.
00:12:07.000 And also, I suppose I'm talking to dear Kenzie Burley, who was a minute ago, Jake, sat on that floor, smashing up crystal sound bowls like some sort of sacrifice to Moloch.
00:12:19.000 I mean, I don't know what was going on over there.
00:12:21.000 It was a good start, but I think she can get it going.
00:12:24.000 What, we're going to have a sound bowl?
00:12:27.000 Kenzie's going to introduce us to some supernatural.
00:12:30.000 Sounds, yeah, I hope so.
00:12:33.000 Or she's just gonna shatter all the bowls, she might just come in and smash it up like a Greek wedding.
00:12:37.000 We don't know what's gonna happen anymore, do we?
00:12:39.000 On this show, mate.
00:12:40.000 Now, there's a bunch of stuff here about Sydney Sweeney.
00:12:43.000 Jake, I've not looked at this stuff and I'm reluctant to.
00:12:45.000 I'm nervous about looking because, like, Sydney Sweeney, who I think as a sort of a public personality is pretty cool and outspoken and certainly being herself, are like, if there's going to be images of her in underwear, are there?
00:12:59.000 Less than underwear.
00:13:00.000 I think you should close your eyes.
00:13:02.000 I'm going to look away from this clip because of my devotion to our Lord and Savior Jesus and my awareness of my own deep personal problems.
00:13:10.000 Thinking of sports?
00:13:12.000 Prove it.
00:13:13.000 No big ears, just sports.
00:13:16.000 I didn't look yet.
00:13:17.000 What's happening?
00:13:17.000 Someone describe what's happening.
00:13:22.000 What?
00:13:23.000 Oh my God, I've not even looked.
00:13:24.000 I've not even looked.
00:13:25.000 I won't look.
00:13:26.000 This is a test, and I can pass it.
00:13:29.000 Okay, right.
00:13:30.000 So far, give that lady a mic.
00:13:32.000 She's commentating it.
00:13:33.000 That lady there on the edge.
00:13:34.000 Thank you.
00:13:35.000 What's your name, mate?
00:13:36.000 Mandy Cooper.
00:13:37.000 Mandy Cooper.
00:13:38.000 All right, mate.
00:13:38.000 Oh my God.
00:13:39.000 Mandy, I took a glimpse of it there, and it was like the Medusa.
00:13:41.000 At least something turned to stone.
00:13:43.000 Now, I want to make sure I don't look again, Mandy.
00:13:46.000 I'm going to just look at you.
00:13:47.000 Let's play a bit more of the clip, and then I'll come back to you.
00:13:50.000 Just sports.
00:13:53.000 So they wanted a show.
00:13:53.000 Just sports.
00:13:57.000 You can trade this.
00:13:58.000 Pause, pause.
00:13:59.000 What's happening now, Mandy?
00:14:00.000 Now she's got her pads on the football pads.
00:14:03.000 Look, we can't.
00:14:04.000 She can't sit in a football in a precarious place.
00:14:07.000 I'm not even looking at it, and I can feel my temperature going up.
00:14:10.000 Just from like there's some sort of non visual stimulant.
00:14:14.000 It's endocrinal.
00:14:15.000 You know, like, sort of, if you were to, like, if a dog in heat comes into a room with another dog.
00:14:21.000 Like, I can feel it.
00:14:23.000 I can feel endocrine or Sidney Sweeney power seeping in through the lens.
00:14:28.000 I won't even glance at it, I tell you.
00:14:30.000 So let's have a look at some of the.
00:14:33.000 Okay, oh yeah, let's have a look at this.
00:14:34.000 British sprinter Amy Hunt says Sidney Sweeney is a barrier for women.
00:14:39.000 But hold on, let me just say, Mandy, I'm assuming you're a woman.
00:14:43.000 Correct.
00:14:44.000 You're beaming femininity from every single cell.
00:14:47.000 What did you think of?
00:14:49.000 I'm not in heat, though.
00:14:50.000 Huh?
00:14:50.000 I'm not in heat, though.
00:14:52.000 No, no.
00:14:52.000 I wasn't receiving.
00:14:53.000 Mandy!
00:14:55.000 I wasn't receiving.
00:14:56.000 My pheromone detector has remained dormant for now.
00:15:02.000 Good job.
00:15:03.000 Thank you.
00:15:03.000 Thank you, Mandy.
00:15:04.000 Thank you.
00:15:05.000 What did you think of the advert so far?
00:15:07.000 I don't know what she's advertising.
00:15:08.000 Don't know what she's advertising.
00:15:10.000 Don't know what she's advertising.
00:15:11.000 But then, of course, for some time now, we've understood that the point of advertising is to take something primal, like our appetites for food or procreation, and to tether that to sometimes an arbitrary process.
00:15:25.000 Product, but that's you know, that's marketing.
00:15:26.000 People have got to do their jobs, I suppose.
00:15:29.000 Let's have a look at this British sprinter having a personal opinion on it.
00:15:33.000 Let's have a look.
00:15:34.000 When we're trying to provide role models for young people and young women in sport, we really want to show that it's about what your body can do, not so much what it looks like.
00:15:42.000 I think when we see the stats of 64% of young girls drop out of exercise and sport before they reach the age of 16, we don't need to place any kind of barrier whatsoever in their way in terms of providing the opportunity and the empowerment for them to still exercise.
00:15:57.000 Whatever that looks like, professional or kind of just going to do a park ramp.
00:16:01.000 Pause.
00:16:01.000 I mean, yeah, do you know what?
00:16:03.000 I don't think we can participate in the cultural war anymore because it's fake God versus fake God.
00:16:11.000 Whichever sort of side of almost any political or cultural issue you take, you might ultimately find yourself just sort of locked into a pointless argument that could go on forever.
00:16:22.000 You might be arguing about bathroom issues or sexual issues or religious issues.
00:16:26.000 It could be any number of things.
00:16:28.000 The truth is that we are at a really precipitous moment where there needs to be a radical overhaul that we undertake as individuals and as an entire culture.
00:16:37.000 And if we don't do that now, well, I don't, you know, I'm not sure what the individual consequences are.
00:16:42.000 Who could possibly foretell?
00:16:44.000 But it seems to me of significant importance that we no longer engage ourselves in the trivial drivel of a culture that wants us to fixate either on Sidney Sweeney's, I'm guessing, pretty outstanding body or the problems of Sidney Sweeney's pretty outstanding body.
00:17:05.000 Neither of those things are going to bring you any closer to God.
00:17:07.000 This is a thing that I have understood.
00:17:12.000 Elementary, elemental, fundamental, even in some way, but water is elementary and water can be reduced to H2O.
00:17:19.000 The procreative urge and sexual attraction has within it something essential and yet more powerful than sex.
00:17:26.000 Indeed, if you look closely at scripture, you will find blood and flesh and union and connection and carnality redeemed.
00:17:37.000 Even in fact, in the virgin birth, there's a possibility for entirely new relationships that go beyond whether or not you're an athlete or you're a model.
00:17:45.000 Both roles chosen by a system that sees you primarily as a consumer and wants you trapped and lost in self forever.
00:17:52.000 But that's just what I think.
00:17:54.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
00:17:58.000 We're going to have a guest in a minute on the show, Timothy Albarino.
00:18:01.000 We're going to be talking about his book, Birthright, another book where we're talking about the precipitous and apocalyptic moment, which is a theme that's coming up a lot on this show, probably because there's something to it.
00:18:12.000 Before we do that, though, I make a podcast every Sunday with my wife.
00:18:17.000 Here's a little bit of it now.
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00:18:20.000 Look, it's this.
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00:18:30.000 Authority in this particular circumstance.
00:18:32.000 I'm guessing that might be one of the reasons you're talking about authority.
00:18:34.000 You might not know it, but I suppose we've been faced with authority this week.
00:18:38.000 Yes.
00:18:38.000 We've had to make decisions based on a person that has more experience than us in that world telling us what we should do.
00:18:45.000 Yes.
00:18:46.000 And it being difficult.
00:18:47.000 We like to interrogate that that authority is legitimate authority.
00:18:51.000 For example, imagine there was a global pandemic and all of the authorities said, we want you to go in your house, we want to wear these masks, we want to maintain these business, we're going to shut these.
00:19:00.000 Businesses and operations, but we're going to keep these businesses and operations open.
00:19:03.000 We want you to take these medications, what we're calling medications.
00:19:06.000 We want you to take them, and I promise you there's no side effects.
00:19:08.000 And we've trialed them over time.
00:19:10.000 You subsequently learn, and maybe even intuit at the time, that they're not telling you the truth about some of those things.
00:19:16.000 And the more information is revealed, the more you understand that they don't know what they do.
00:19:23.000 They know not what they do, in so much as governments default to control and authority.
00:19:28.000 Corporations default to profit.
00:19:30.000 Now, because they've set those are sinful targets, false authority.
00:19:34.000 And profit are sinful targets.
00:19:37.000 Indeed, the example of Judas is you might have Christ in your literal gang hanging out with him, and you might think money's more important.
00:19:45.000 Yes.
00:19:47.000 Oh, there you go.
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00:21:14.000 Hey, Timothy Albarino is an author, lecturer, and explorer.
00:21:18.000 He's also my next guest on the show.
00:21:20.000 Before we bring him out, here's a short video that, in case you can't conceptualize him, you might think, what do you mean by all those things?
00:21:27.000 Well, this will help you to understand it a bit better.
00:21:29.000 It's like this this is what he's like.
00:21:31.000 We're all very much familiar with the biblical account of the flood, of the Noahic flood, which I believe is true.
00:21:36.000 I think evidence does point to the idea that civilization didn't begin with the ancient Egyptians or the ancient Mesopotamians.
00:21:44.000 It re began.
00:21:45.000 It was a restart of civilization in the aftermath.
00:21:48.000 So, to be clear, Timothy, what you're saying is that you don't believe they were built by ordinary humans.
00:21:55.000 I'm not sure who built the pyramids.
00:21:57.000 I don't know.
00:21:58.000 I think it's possible that these megastructures fall into the same category and timeframe as some of the other megalithic structures around the world, which I do believe are antediluvian.
00:22:08.000 The world before the flood, the world before the Noah flood.
00:22:11.000 So, are you implying by saying that then that it could be non human construction?
00:22:18.000 It could be.
00:22:19.000 It could be, you know, I mean, again, the Mesopotamians attributed the arts of civilization to the Apkalu.
00:22:26.000 Wow.
00:22:27.000 Please welcome Timothy Albarino.
00:22:32.000 Please sit down.
00:22:33.000 That'll be your microphone there.
00:22:35.000 Mate, when I was watching that and looking over this book that you've written and this book here that you've done the intro to, Birthright Your New Book, and watching that clip, and I was thinking of a Terrence McKenna video that I see from time to time online.
00:22:49.000 He was an ethnobotanist and psychedelic explorer and great genius, Terrence McKenna.
00:22:56.000 The world's just going to keep getting stranger and stranger and stranger.
00:23:02.000 And I feel that when you see a sort of a, you know, a somewhat, what do you want to say, mainstream show like Piers Morgan, and you're talking about perhaps non human construction when it comes to a variety of structures, is that evidence that in a way we're in a real paradigm shifting moment?
00:23:22.000 I think there's a lot of evidence that we're in a paradigm shifting moment.
00:23:25.000 There's a number of things that are converging right now.
00:23:27.000 We're in a convergence moment.
00:23:29.000 We've got, for example, obviously artificial intelligence, which is accelerating.
00:23:34.000 But along with artificial intelligence, there's a handful of other technologies that are maturating, which are sort of behind the scenes genetic technologies, we're looking at robotics, nanotechnology.
00:23:46.000 And then at the same time, we're getting UFO disclosure.
00:23:49.000 I would say that we've been looking at a process of what I would describe as soft disclosure.
00:23:55.000 I mean, hard disclosure would be the president approaching the podium and announcing to the world that we're not alone.
00:24:01.000 Soft disclosure is this sort of Slow, gradual rollout of information is sort of a wink from the government that this stuff is real.
00:24:08.000 We're not alone.
00:24:09.000 So, all of this is converging right now.
00:24:11.000 And I think what a lot of this is leading toward, and this is what I describe in my book, Birthright, is what I call what I describe as a post human apocalypse.
00:24:20.000 And I believe that such an apocalypse is predicted in the scriptures, in the book of Daniel, in the book of Revelation.
00:24:26.000 And this is ultimately all going to culminate, from my point of view, from a Christian point of view, in the return of Christ to the earth.
00:24:34.000 Yeah, that's a good way to start an interview, that is, mate.
00:24:38.000 Or the end one.
00:24:40.000 That's what we've got time for this week.
00:24:41.000 Christ's coming back.
00:24:42.000 Get yourselves together.
00:24:44.000 And, like, mate, when I've started, yeah, these prophetic moments in Ezekiel and in Daniel and in Revelation are deeply alluring.
00:24:55.000 And when you read those verses or those chapters, there's a sense that there's, you know, as a person that's took psychedelics, a whole host of drugs, but in particular, psychedelics.
00:25:06.000 There's something about the images that's eerie and familiar and seductive, and what do I want to say?
00:25:13.000 It's inducing a state in me.
00:25:15.000 Now, in both the book of Revelation and in Daniel, there are literal moments where the entity or being, whether you see that as Christ or an angel, and I suppose there's some variation, and perhaps you'll help me to understand those differences.
00:25:30.000 There's moments where people actually eat a scroll in both the book of Daniel and in John.
00:25:35.000 And it does seem like, and even many of the stories that have go to the top of a mountain.
00:25:40.000 Seem like they're describing transcendent states that are outside of our normal realm of experience rather than just sort of geographic heights.
00:25:52.000 It seems like your work includes a lot of travel, a lot of exploration, academia, but also, I guess, the kind of philosophy that would come from looking at this kind of thing.
00:26:03.000 Now, when I looked at the book of Enoch, that seems that if you're going to get into Revelation and get into Daniel, the book of Enoch becomes very alluring.
00:26:11.000 I felt like it was.
00:26:13.000 Ancient Aliens Meets Epstein Files.
00:26:16.000 That's what I kind of saw that book as.
00:26:18.000 And I wonder, like, it's something that you know a lot about, and you've done the introduction to this book on it.
00:26:25.000 So, can you tell us some stuff about all of that that I just said?
00:26:28.000 Yeah.
00:26:29.000 So, obviously, the book of Enoch details the first part of the book of Enoch, called the Book of the Watchers, details the story of the Watchers, which was the descent of 200 of these heavenly beings.
00:26:40.000 They descended the earth.
00:26:42.000 They're enticed, by the way, by lust.
00:26:44.000 They're looking down at human women.
00:26:46.000 This, of course, is found in Genesis 6 as well that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, and then they took wives of all whom they chose.
00:26:55.000 And then it says that.
00:26:56.000 There were giants in the earth in those days, and also afterward when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and they bore children to them.
00:27:02.000 These were the mighty men of old, the men of renown.
00:27:06.000 And when it says they went into them, I mean, when they bore children by them, that means that they had sexual intercourse.
00:27:10.000 So you have these heavenly beings, these in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament describes these, the sons of God in Genesis 6.
00:27:18.000 It describes them as angels.
00:27:20.000 So we're definitely not talking about human beings here.
00:27:21.000 We're talking about angelic beings.
00:27:23.000 And then this story is enlarged in the book of Enoch.
00:27:27.000 I think that, I personally think that the writer of Genesis.
00:27:30.000 Was conversant with some sort of book of Enoch, some scroll of Enoch.
00:27:34.000 And so that's why he makes this, there's this strange digression in the Genesis narrative that the writer of Genesis, whether it be Moses or somebody else, just mentions, whimsically mentions the sons of God that lusted after men, that saw the daughters of men and then copulated with them, and doesn't explain anything.
00:27:52.000 And the reason why there's no explanation in Genesis 6, because what precedes is the flood, is because the story was well known.
00:27:59.000 It was thoroughly documented elsewhere, and I think.
00:28:03.000 In the book of Enoch, in some book of Enoch.
00:28:04.000 So the story is 200 watchers, which the watcher designation is not explicitly anti biblical.
00:28:11.000 It's in the book of Daniel.
00:28:12.000 In fact, in the book of Daniel, we have a scene in which the haughty king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, is being judged.
00:28:18.000 Judged by whom?
00:28:20.000 Judged by a council of holy watchers who are passing judgment on him.
00:28:25.000 This is where Nebuchadnezzar is sentenced to madness, to a season of madness, and he's eating grass like an animal.
00:28:31.000 His hair grows long, he's given the mind of a beast for a period of time.
00:28:35.000 Until he repents because he's haughty.
00:28:38.000 And then when he repents, he acknowledges that God is supreme and has authority over the kingdoms of the world.
00:28:43.000 Those are watchers, those are holy watchers who pass judgment, the divine counsel.
00:28:47.000 Some people would describe that, like the late Michael Heiser.
00:28:50.000 And so when you get to the book of Enoch, this is the same sort of group watchers.
00:28:54.000 These are holy watchers who are lusting after the daughters of men, after the daughters of Adam.
00:29:00.000 And they descend to the earth, they arrive on the summit of Mount Hermon.
00:29:05.000 Bind themselves by a pact of mutual imprecations.
00:29:09.000 In other words, we're all in this together because they knew what they were about to do was a grave transgression.
00:29:14.000 They knew in advance.
00:29:16.000 So they bind themselves by a pact of mutual imprecations.
00:29:20.000 Mount Hermon has been known since time immemorial as the Mountain of Oath.
00:29:24.000 Then they descend into the plains and they begin to choose for themselves wives from among the daughters of men.
00:29:29.000 And then they make, and this is implicit in the text, it's not explicit, but it's implicit in what I call the Enochian tale in the book of Enoch.
00:29:39.000 They make a transaction with the fathers of the maidens whom they desire to wed.
00:29:49.000 And the transaction is they're going to give them knowledge.
00:29:53.000 They're going to give them some superior knowledge in exchange for their daughter's hand in marriage.
00:29:58.000 Their daughter's hands in marriage.
00:30:00.000 This is a transaction.
00:30:01.000 The reason why this is important is because in my book, Birthright, I talk about how the watchers were sort of balancing the line in terms of.
00:30:10.000 Walking a legal line, so to speak, because they knew that if they could get the human species, the sons of Adam, to make a lawful transaction with them, right, a bargain, which turned out to be a Faustian bargain, then they could evade the swift judgment that would come from heaven, right?
00:30:27.000 So, because we're the vice regents of the earth.
00:30:30.000 We've been, according to the book of Genesis, we've been given dominion of the earth.
00:30:33.000 And so they made this transaction with the vice regents of the earth, and what resulted?
00:30:38.000 Giants.
00:30:39.000 They took these wives, they wed these wives, they copulated with them.
00:30:43.000 The women conceived and gave birth to giants.
00:30:46.000 And then the giants began to grow to enormous size.
00:30:50.000 And the book of Enoch says they began to consume all the acquisitions of men.
00:30:55.000 So, all the produce, and remember, this was pre flood, it was very difficult to get the earth to produce.
00:31:00.000 All of the labor of the human species was going towards, all the agricultural labor was going towards feeding the insatiable appetites of the giants.
00:31:10.000 And the giants, when they could no longer sustain their appetite, when they didn't have enough food for them, the giants began.
00:31:15.000 To devour animals and then ultimately to devour human beings and then to devour one another.
00:31:20.000 They're engaging in cannibalism.
00:31:22.000 And what's interesting is you find this narrative, again, just, it's just alluded to in Genesis, but it's, you definitely find it all over the Dead Sea Scrolls.
00:31:31.000 Yes.
00:31:32.000 And in Kings, and of course there are references in canonical scripture to giants, there are many myths have giants in them.
00:31:42.000 Certainly some pagan myths include a pantheon of gods that lives on the top of.
00:31:49.000 Mountains and this kind of ongoing supernatural war and rebellion in the spiritual realm seems to me so fundamental.
00:31:57.000 And, like you said at the beginning of your long answer, but I was glad of the break that there are these whimsical asides, you know, like when Christ says, I saw Satan fall from heaven, or oh, by the way, these beings came down and copulated.
00:32:14.000 And what it seems like, you know, when we, as we've already agreed, these are crazy, crazy times.
00:32:21.000 It feels like this supernatural component within Christianity that seems oddly relegated in everyday, quotidian Christianity.
00:32:31.000 People don't talk about, well, we believe in angels and gods and we're in a holy war and it's all going to kick off.
00:32:37.000 People are living through Christianity as if it's primarily about be nice and dress neat, when really it's like, let's go, man.
00:32:46.000 There's a holy war kicking off and it's about to happen.
00:32:49.000 Get ready, get ready.
00:32:52.000 I suppose the reason I was like really struck by the book of Enoch, mate, is because not only is it sort of lurid and colorful and amazing and beautiful, but there are things in there like when it says that one of them supernatural entities teaches them weaponry and mining, and even something that sounds a bit like it's in semiconductors like there's some sort of mineral components that are being excavated that sound like technology.
00:33:18.000 And so you believe then that many technological evolutions are as a result of some interdimensional or certainly extra.
00:33:26.000 Interaction with beings like these.
00:33:28.000 I would agree with that.
00:33:29.000 Yeah, I would agree with that.
00:33:30.000 You know, I'm not an ancient astronaut theorist, but I do, I would agree with the premise of ancient astronaut theory, which is that mankind has been in contact with extraterrestrial beings since the beginning.
00:33:41.000 I mean, there's a class of entities that the Bible describes as, and this is a very ambiguous designation.
00:33:49.000 The Bible calls them angels or the sons of God or the morning stars, who in Job 38 we read that the morning stars sang together and the sons of God shouted for joy.
00:33:59.000 When God was laying the foundations of the earth, well, that implies preexistence.
00:34:04.000 Yes.
00:34:04.000 Preexistence.
00:34:05.000 So, there's a class of beings, intelligent beings, that pre exist the human species according to the scriptures.
00:34:11.000 That's why I say that the Bible presumes the existence of extraterrestrials.
00:34:15.000 They're there in the beginning, and they're a fully formed civilization, by the way, because that's the way I would describe them.
00:34:20.000 This is a civilization.
00:34:22.000 And I would describe the kingdom of heaven as a civilization myself, to be honest with you, that predates our own.
00:34:29.000 And so these beings, they have been interacting with us from the very beginning.
00:34:33.000 You know, Jesus says, you talk about a conflict that's going on behind the scenes.
00:34:38.000 Jesus says that the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.
00:34:44.000 So, we talked about earlier that we're coming to this moment, this culmination, when all these different things are converging, and it's going to lead to the return of Christ, which, by the way, is Armageddon.
00:34:54.000 It's a battle.
00:34:55.000 And that battle is not a battle with Israel, it's not a geopolitical war.
00:34:59.000 It's very clearly in the book of Revelation, it is a war with God.
00:35:03.000 That's where we're headed.
00:35:05.000 There's in Psalm 2 that you read in Psalm 2 that the kings of the earth are gathering together.
00:35:11.000 And they're setting themselves against the Lord and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bonds and cast away their cords from us.
00:35:18.000 In other words, they're giving God the finger.
00:35:21.000 They're in their minds, they're preparing themselves to go to war with God.
00:35:25.000 And what is God's response?
00:35:27.000 He who sits in the heavens laughs, he holds them in derision.
00:35:32.000 And he says, Yet will I set my son on my holy hill of Zion.
00:35:37.000 And then it talks about Jesus ruling and reigning and dashing the nations like clay pots.
00:35:44.000 And so that's where all of this is headed.
00:35:46.000 It's headed towards war with God.
00:35:48.000 And those agencies, from the very beginning, those non human agencies who have been opposing God, from, I think, in a pre Adamic context, before there was ever mankind, I think the way I described it at Birthright is a galactic conflict, a galactic rebellion that happened, and that mankind was created in the aftermath of this.
00:36:07.000 In fact, I would say in the aftermath of cataclysm also on the earth.
00:36:11.000 Mankind comes on the scene.
00:36:13.000 There's eons of history behind us that we're never told about, but those beings that were involved.
00:36:18.000 From my perspective, in that rebellion, they're still here.
00:36:22.000 And this conclusion that's coming is a conclusion of something we can't even comprehend.
00:36:26.000 It goes back to before there was ever a human being on planet Earth.
00:36:31.000 When Cain's kicked out of the garden, he goes somewhere, doesn't he?
00:36:34.000 He goes to some pre established place, hangs out there.
00:36:36.000 In the book of Jude, it talks about those that were enchained by the Archangel Michael.
00:36:41.000 There are these continual references to interdimensional and intergalactic warfare.
00:36:47.000 There's probably, I would say, Part of the code of why we find it so alluring.
00:36:52.000 Those kind of, you know, during the time of C.S. Lewis and Tolkien, they used that kind of fantasy literature that's sort of drawn from kind of medievalism and Norse literature.
00:37:01.000 But now in the era of science fiction, we can see that there's something on the edge, the hem of the garment, there's something beyond our senses and beyond our understanding that we're so sort of close to touching.
00:37:15.000 There's a lot of things that I want to explore, but I suppose really what I'm thinking about is how this is going to shake.
00:37:20.000 Down because it seems like those of us that have accepted Christ, even within this sort of kind of intergalactic context, are going to be positioned differently from people that are like, Well, I'm from Peru or I'm from Czechoslovakia or whatever.
00:37:35.000 You know, we've got another alliance with participants in another nation.
00:37:39.000 Now, before we leap into that part of it, I want to talk about this look you're going for.
00:37:43.000 Now, it's very Indiana Jones.
00:37:46.000 I like it.
00:37:47.000 That's all I got.
00:37:47.000 It's all I've had for you.
00:37:48.000 Everything is kit.
00:37:49.000 Everything is kit.
00:37:51.000 I like this look.
00:37:52.000 You do.
00:37:52.000 So, I suppose that part of this.
00:37:55.000 Your gig is going to archaeological sites and checking out some of these hieroglyphs and some of these signs and some of these mad drawings of spaceships that are cropping up on ancient monuments and such.
00:38:04.000 And such?
00:38:05.000 Is that what this is?
00:38:06.000 I've been an investigative researcher for over a decade, and I go out and explore all kinds of things, anything that interests me, really.
00:38:14.000 So I've gone all over the world researching megaliths, giants, legends concerning giants, all things UFOs.
00:38:24.000 Also, I participated in a couple of expeditions that I led along with my colleague, Anselm P. Ramla, the legendary Spanish explorer, Anselm P. Ramla.
00:38:32.000 And we went up and we discovered a lost city in the Andes Mountains.
00:38:34.000 No way.
00:38:36.000 Well, it was a mysterious city of gold.
00:38:37.000 Yeah, it's called Tauripunku.
00:38:38.000 I like the sound of that already.
00:38:40.000 Tell us some more about these expeditions where you're looking into giants and that kind of thing, mate.
00:38:46.000 Well, I mean, there's not a whole lot you can.
00:38:48.000 And myths.
00:38:49.000 There's not a whole lot of tangible stuff that you can look into in regard to giants.
00:38:53.000 You're tracking down legends, you're tracking down testimonies.
00:38:56.000 And I suppose that the place where you could probably find the most evidence for giants today, I think still, certainly 10 years ago, but even still today, would be the island of Sardinia.
00:39:06.000 And I've talked a lot about this with a lot of people.
00:39:09.000 But on the island of Sardinia, I went there maybe 10 years ago, and I've been there three times, and I went there twice conducting an investigation.
00:39:19.000 And I was interviewing individuals, mostly very elderly people.
00:39:23.000 One of the guys that I interviewed, Sal Bergilio was his name, he was 101 years old.
00:39:29.000 And so these people remember a time back in the right after World War II.
00:39:34.000 So Sardinia was undergoing, right after World War II, like a process of industrialization.
00:39:39.000 And they were building roads and they were laying electrical lines and all kinds of stuff.
00:39:43.000 And so they were digging a lot.
00:39:45.000 And, you know, Sardinia has sort of been always behind the mainland Italy.
00:39:48.000 It's part of Italy, but it's always been sort of behind Italy.
00:39:50.000 It's a very, very rural, beautiful country.
00:39:53.000 And so they were getting tractors for the first time.
00:39:56.000 And so they started to be able to plow their fields mechanically.
00:39:58.000 And they were turning over the bones of giants.
00:40:03.000 And we're not, you know, maybe in some cases they're confusing megafauna.
00:40:09.000 But when they would encounter a skeleton of a giant, they would get really excited.
00:40:13.000 Because sometimes they would find associated with that skeleton rings, necklaces, they would find bracelets, gold and brass and copper.
00:40:23.000 And as far as I know, megafauna weren't wearing jewelry.
00:40:27.000 I don't know that mammoths were that bling.
00:40:30.000 I don't think so.
00:40:32.000 And what's really interesting is I interviewed a couple of guys who were both employed at the same archaeological site.
00:40:40.000 And one of them was employed, I think it was in the late 70s, and the other one was employed in the early 80s, back to back.
00:40:46.000 Both of these guys were employed by the municipality and in conjunction with the University of Cajeti, the capital city of Sardinia.
00:40:55.000 They were employed to excavate at this site called Sant'Anastasia, the Church of Sant'Anastasia.
00:41:03.000 It's a little cathedral there today, you can go see it.
00:41:05.000 And all around this church are the ruins of this very, very mysterious ancient civilization called the Nuragic Civilization.
00:41:13.000 And most people don't know this, but if you want to see megaliths, The largest consolidation of megaliths anywhere on planet Earth is on the island of Sardinia.
00:41:25.000 I mean, there are just thousands of megalithic towers on the island of Sardinia.
00:41:30.000 Some estimates say up to 30,000 megalithic towers on one island.
00:41:34.000 And in association with these megalithic towers, which are called nuragi, are megalithic tombs called the tombs of the giants.
00:41:45.000 To this day, the tombs of the giants.
00:41:47.000 Very, very large megalithic tombs.
00:41:49.000 And so they were excavating one of these nuragi sites.
00:41:53.000 And they were both of them at different times, both of them unearthed various skeletons of giants.
00:42:01.000 We're talking 10 to 12 feet long.
00:42:04.000 One of the, what do I want to say, origin myths of the islands that I'm from is the Gog Magog myth that two giants are fighting.
00:42:15.000 And I've heard that myth come up in other places.
00:42:18.000 Another thing that, you know, when folklore and story infiltrate and remain, there are like, there are, our psyche is plainly the prima materia for reality, or at least is somehow connected to the prima materia for reality, because otherwise, Folklore, it wouldn't be retained, we wouldn't remember it.
00:42:34.000 Whether that's something common like Red Riding Hood or Snow White or stuff that's been Disney fied, or these kind of stories that are maintained in the folk memory, it's like there's some sort of retained truth.
00:42:44.000 I'm very interested in this sort of archaeological aspect of it, and I'm also sort of interested when I detect this kind of blueprint that seems to reiterate itself.
00:42:53.000 Like when you were describing the uh, that cosmic war and the fallen angels and their colonization and exploitation of the daughters of.
00:43:03.000 Adam, it sounds very much like the ongoing colonization, the way that our attention is colonized and controlled right now, the way that right now there is an elite that will seek to detach themselves from the majority of people.
00:43:19.000 And the reason I made that kind of joke at the beginning, sort of like UAP's Epstein files, is because when I'm reading some of this literature, I see the silhouette of it still.
00:43:29.000 I see its presence, like current disclosures about UAPs, which I agree with you is a kind of a soft release and a preparatory process.
00:43:37.000 In addition to the sort of increasingly evident but peculiarly ignored fact that elites are plainly engaged in sort of sexual practices that are borderline occultist, like it doesn't just seem like hedonism, it doesn't just seem like we're all getting together, doing a bunch of coke, and screwing each other.
00:43:54.000 It's like weird adrenochrome, frazzle drip, we're conjuring up energy.
00:44:00.000 It is Jezebel gear, isn't it?
00:44:01.000 It's like it's fallen stuff, it's about power.
00:44:04.000 That's what I mean.
00:44:05.000 It's connected to power.
00:44:06.000 You agree with this?
00:44:07.000 I absolutely agree with that, yeah.
00:44:08.000 I would even describe it as Canaan-Idish.
00:44:11.000 And what I mean by that is, I think that the elite are engaged in a very ancient form of the occult that goes back to the Canaanites.
00:44:20.000 And I mentioned the tombs of the giants in Sardinia.
00:44:22.000 And one of the things that they believed, the Canaanites believed, and not just the Canaanites, but let's just, you know, the Mesopotamians in general, the ancient Near East, they believed that you could make contact with the spirits of dead giants even after they died.
00:44:36.000 Because in the book of Enoch, there's near the end of the book of the Watchers, the.
00:44:42.000 The angels, the 200 watchers who engaged in this extremely transgressive act with the daughters of men and gave birth to the giants, who gave birth to the giants, they're incarcerated.
00:44:57.000 Those angels are incarcerated.
00:44:59.000 Their offspring, the giants, are sent to war with one another, to destroy.
00:45:02.000 They're enticed to war with one another, and then whatever was left was destroyed in the flood, which proceeded shortly thereafter.
00:45:09.000 And so when the giants died, according to the book of Enoch, Their judgment was that their flesh would die, but that their spirits would continue to wander the earth.
00:45:22.000 They would be like vagabond wraiths.
00:45:25.000 They would have all of the desires of the flesh, especially they would be hungry and thirsty, and I would imagine all of the sexual impulses of the flesh.
00:45:33.000 Filthy bastards.
00:45:34.000 Filthy bastards, exactly right.
00:45:35.000 They're around.
00:45:36.000 Bastard is actually the word that's used.
00:45:38.000 Is it?
00:45:38.000 They are.
00:45:39.000 That came from nowhere.
00:45:40.000 That's the Holy Spirit.
00:45:42.000 Move me there.
00:45:43.000 Because I feel like that there.
00:45:44.000 Like, even in Buddhism, they have hungry ghosts, you know, like they talk about that idea.
00:45:48.000 And if you think about addiction, it does feel like a kind of an occupation.
00:45:52.000 It does feel like there are sort of entities that attach, that glom on, that parasite and redirect energy.
00:45:58.000 And what does a parasite?
00:45:59.000 It only takes, it doesn't give.
00:46:00.000 It is death, it is decay, it is time.
00:46:03.000 Yeah, man.
00:46:03.000 We are in a holy intergalactic war.
00:46:05.000 Hey, Jake, he's pretty lovely, isn't he?
00:46:08.000 Lovely, Timothy.
00:46:08.000 I think you should have a TV show where you go about, like, you go about, you're in a Jeep, probably.
00:46:13.000 It's an open top Jeep.
00:46:15.000 You're going about, maybe one bit you've got one of them scarves on, like when Indiana Jones has one.
00:46:19.000 You go, today I'm in Gozepi.
00:46:21.000 What's that one in Turkey?
00:46:22.000 Gozepi Pecky.
00:46:23.000 It sounds a bit like that.
00:46:24.000 Gobekli Teppi.
00:46:24.000 I'm in Goblekli Teppi.
00:46:26.000 Like that.
00:46:26.000 You say like that, and then you pull that thing down.
00:46:28.000 And then there's that monkey out of Indiana Jones that's his enemy.
00:46:30.000 I had a monkey.
00:46:31.000 Of course, you did.
00:46:32.000 Oh, yeah.
00:46:33.000 Several, actually.
00:46:34.000 Did he betray you?
00:46:36.000 Several.
00:46:36.000 Did he wear a little vest?
00:46:37.000 Did he wear one of them hats on the side of his head?
00:46:39.000 No.
00:46:41.000 I'm still trying to get motorcycles to be a part of our show.
00:46:44.000 Yeah, well, you want to go around on motorcycles.
00:46:45.000 So I say we go around on some sort of.
00:46:47.000 What we do is we do interdimensional National Geographic travel with Handsome Tim.
00:46:53.000 Ancient aliens with Handsome Tim.
00:46:55.000 Can I call you Handsome Tim?
00:46:56.000 Is that right?
00:46:57.000 Whatever you want.
00:46:59.000 Right.
00:46:59.000 Okay, Handsome Tim, where are we going this week?
00:47:01.000 Excavating a site.
00:47:03.000 Oh, I thought you'd never asked.
00:47:04.000 Oh, sorry.
00:47:05.000 You mean an archaeological site?
00:47:08.000 His wife's over there, my wife's there, and my friend.
00:47:10.000 The whole family's over there.
00:47:11.000 Your lad's over there, isn't he, as well?
00:47:13.000 This is a family show.
00:47:14.000 Mate, I tell you what, it's lovely talking to you.
00:47:16.000 Please come back anytime.
00:47:18.000 This book, Birthright, is available now.
00:47:19.000 There's a link in the description, or if there isn't one now, we'll put one there soon.
00:47:23.000 Look at you, you mad hunk.
00:47:25.000 It says Indiana Jones on the cover.
00:47:27.000 I was right about that.
00:47:28.000 You're pulling together a lot of interesting threads, mate.
00:47:30.000 You're really working in some interesting areas.
00:47:32.000 Round of applause, please, for Timothy Alvarino, everybody.
00:47:35.000 Thanks for having me, Russell.
00:47:36.000 It's so great to meet you.
00:47:37.000 You're cool.
00:47:38.000 You're well cool.
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00:48:33.000 My guest Kenzie is.
00:48:36.000 Well, we're going to get.
00:48:37.000 Before we actually talk to actual you, let's conceptualize Kenzie together with this brief clip.
00:49:02.000 Kenzie, you're a local person, you're a local yogi, you're doing beach yoga, you're smashing stuff up on the floor, you're helping people access different planes through sound vibration, and you're one of the guests that's on our show in part because you're part of our local community.
00:49:17.000 Tell us a little bit about what you do and tell us about the aspect that we're going to explore in a minute the soundbar stuff.
00:49:25.000 Tell us a little bit about that.
00:49:27.000 I would say, in the simplest explanation, is just facilitating a space.
00:49:33.000 For people, children, adults, teens, to have space, to have presence, to receive love, to give love is what I try to do.
00:49:46.000 You want to create sacred environments, hey, through sound?
00:49:50.000 Through experience.
00:49:52.000 It seems like you're emotional already.
00:49:53.000 Why is this?
00:49:54.000 Because a lot of your work brings you close to trauma.
00:49:56.000 Is that why?
00:49:58.000 I think everyone has a lot of trauma.
00:50:00.000 Well, I suppose so.
00:50:01.000 Being a person, I'm finding it quite traumatic to be a person.
00:50:05.000 It's challenging, isn't it?
00:50:06.000 Now, one of the things that's coming up again and again in our show is we speak to more and more brilliant people like handsome Timothy there.
00:50:13.000 I want to be Timothy when I grow up.
00:50:15.000 I was like, why did I not wear my African gear?
00:50:19.000 It's not too late.
00:50:19.000 Get on the African gear, jump in the back of a Jeep, go and explore the pyramids.
00:50:23.000 I mean, you know, you try stopping us.
00:50:24.000 I say we leave here, we get right out of the panhandle, and we go to the Sahara.
00:50:28.000 One of the things that's becoming clear is that there are, you know, I believe that scripture is God breathed and God inspired, and that Jesus Christ.
00:50:39.000 Came here, the creator of reality came here and he died for us to create some peculiar reset, some frequency reset, and that he's available to us now.
00:50:50.000 But I'm also interested in the ways that other people are experiencing the sacred and the divine.
00:50:57.000 See you with your sound baths and whatnot.
00:50:59.000 What are you trying to do?
00:51:00.000 Heal people?
00:51:02.000 I think everyone wants to be healed, but I think it's a journey.
00:51:06.000 I don't think it's ever a destination.
00:51:07.000 I think we learn the things we need to learn, and as soon as we assume we know something, We get another lesson to learn.
00:51:15.000 And I believe that the more that we can connect with one another, the more that we can share stories with one another, it creates hope because we realize that we are the same, we are one.
00:51:27.000 And, you know, I believe that everybody deserves a second chance.
00:51:32.000 I think that everybody deserves love.
00:51:34.000 And there's a lot of loneliness in this world, and I try to just create connection.
00:51:39.000 And even for myself, you know, like as a facilitator, anything I speak, I'm speaking to myself as well.
00:51:47.000 I don't really know anything either.
00:51:48.000 I'm just receiving and trying to share.
00:51:51.000 Yeah, I see that.
00:51:53.000 Now, the thing is, what I found this is something that happened to me, Kenzie, is that prior to Christ, I knew God was real.
00:52:03.000 I knew God was real.
00:52:04.000 I knew God was real very, very young.
00:52:06.000 And I knew God was real while taking hallucinogens.
00:52:09.000 And I knew God was real screwing around.
00:52:15.000 Interact with and maintain connection with God.
00:52:20.000 My concern is, and this is a really personal thing.
00:52:24.000 I went after I was saved, I went to a yoga festival, and I love yoga, and I still do yoga as a matter of fact.
00:52:32.000 I meditate, but I meditate on Him, and I still do all those things, right?
00:52:36.000 You know, some of those things.
00:52:37.000 But what I felt was when I went to this yoga festival, I thought, what was it?
00:52:41.000 And it was this it was the problem without the fixed point of the cross, without Him, without our Lord, if.
00:52:48.000 If anything is God, then everything is God.
00:52:50.000 And I'm very, very easily distracted.
00:52:54.000 I'm always migrating to making me God a little bit.
00:52:57.000 And I know that it's strange because I have this intimate presence of God.
00:53:00.000 I feel Him and I feel.
00:53:01.000 His presence, and I know he's with me, and then I make this error of thinking that somehow I am God.
00:53:08.000 It's a thank you very much, it's a critical error that I make.
00:53:14.000 Do you find that the new age, with its openness and its eclecticism, can lead to a kind of ungroundedness?
00:53:25.000 I think that our modern world creates distraction, and so the practice of connection becomes harder.
00:53:33.000 But, like you were saying before, when you thought you knew God and you could feel him in all these different ways, for me personally, I feel closest to God, unfortunately and fortunately, when I'm suffering.
00:53:49.000 I think you're closest to spirit in those times.
00:53:53.000 And as Gabe mentioned on your show earlier, you know, that moment of despair.
00:53:58.000 And I think when you're at that raw moment is when you're the most open and you remember.
00:54:05.000 Because you have that coherence of heart and mind, and that's when clarity surfaces.
00:54:13.000 Yes, because there is a kind of, I mean, by definition, a death of self is being encountered and experienced.
00:54:19.000 And sometimes, with the, what was that thing I came up with?
00:54:23.000 You know, I'm a 12 step person, really.
00:54:24.000 My, sort of, other than the drugs and the craziness, my, the, the sort of fragile bridge to the holy place was established via the 12 steps.
00:54:33.000 And in the 12 steps, they help you to understand how self is really the problem always.
00:54:38.000 Like you have always.
00:54:40.000 Inadvertently reverted to self reverence, and that is the kingdom of Satan and Lucifer an enclosed circuit where I am God, where the wrong person is on the throne.
00:54:52.000 And this, and a couple of things have happened to me lately where, like, it's sort of I was pretty suicidal a lot of my life, like, a lot of my life it was sort of borderline, like, suicidal behaviors the feeling of, like, I don't want to be here, I can't be here, I don't belong here, I don't want to be here, trying to grab and drag and defibrillate.
00:55:13.000 Pleasure or something, some sort of connection, you know, to your point, out of this world.
00:55:19.000 And, you know, I feel like this idea of death of self, kill self, is very close to the kind of kenosis and self sacrifice, pouring out and emptying of self that is a requirement for this coherence and presence of God.
00:55:37.000 So it does sometimes feel like suffering, but we can't do it forever, can we?
00:55:42.000 This level of suffering?
00:55:44.000 I hope not.
00:55:46.000 I think.
00:55:47.000 Actually, one of my dear teachers is in the room, Swan Michelle, and we were discussing Ramdas.
00:55:54.000 Yeah.
00:55:55.000 And, you know, I've had a lot of interesting moments in my life this year of suffering and despair and moments where I thought I was going to lose my mind.
00:56:08.000 And Swan Michelle had indicated, and one of her gurus, she was saying the same thing.
00:56:14.000 And he said, Good.
00:56:15.000 Because when you lose your mind, you know, as Ramdas says to us, you know, faith is not what you believe in.
00:56:21.000 Faith is what's left over when all you believe goes to shit.
00:56:25.000 Yes, I like him very much, Ram.
00:56:27.000 That's Richard Alpert, as he was known prior to receiving his name from his guru and teacher.
00:56:32.000 He did a lot to bring some real sacred information to your country and beyond.
00:56:40.000 And I think he's a profound and important teacher in this age.
00:56:44.000 And I also think that that era of Eastern teachers coming to your country, whether it's like.
00:56:52.000 Yogananda and also George Harrison, my countryman, God rest his eternal souls, contribution for his relationship with Ravi Shankar and that, and the Maharishi.
00:57:01.000 I think it's been really important.
00:57:03.000 And I think that some of the what I've, you know, we've been talking a lot about Christianity, like over the course of the show, whether it's with Timothy talking about the sort of the intergalactic aspects, or my friend Christy who comes on here sometimes talking about some sort of deep, pictorial, ancient dynamism that has been stripped.
00:57:22.000 Away in the contemporary church, or Michael Peters, who earlier on is talking about like the deep mystery of Christ, or Gabe Lines, actually, who I think does a wonderful job of making it like you know, how do we manage this flow and not let it get super, super crazy.
00:57:39.000 And what I do, what I'm very grateful for in my own encounters with mysticism, like through the Hare Krishna folks and various like you know, the transcendental meditation, is it means that I've come to Christ with a real vivid awareness of felt.
00:57:56.000 Present living God felt present living God, not some sort of performative social thing like God is happening now.
00:58:04.000 God is God is Goding, God is Goding right now.
00:58:09.000 And so, I think that these are important contributions, but I can't get I guess now because I love Him so much, Jesus, I just want Him there front and center always.
00:58:19.000 What do you think about Him, our Lord?
00:58:22.000 I mean, I feel Him in my practice every day.
00:58:25.000 Yeah, you love Him.
00:58:27.000 I do.
00:58:27.000 That's cool.
00:58:28.000 All right, let's do some of this.
00:58:29.000 Can we do some of this?
00:58:30.000 Will you do some of this stuff?
00:58:32.000 Do you feel comfortable moving over there?
00:58:33.000 I mean, Mertz, you're going to have to film these sound bowls, and I'm not saying that to you again this week.
00:58:38.000 That's the last time I'm saying that sentence.
00:58:41.000 Every show's the same.
00:58:42.000 Get over there and film those sound bowls.
00:58:44.000 Now, will you tell us, Kenzie, shall I come over here with you so you don't feel self conscious about walking over there?
00:58:49.000 What is all this?
00:58:51.000 What's going on?
00:58:51.000 And it better not be devil worship.
00:58:53.000 It definitely is.
00:58:54.000 Uh oh!
00:58:55.000 Don't you be conjuring up Moloch or any.
00:58:58.000 Baphomet or any of them spirits because, you know, I love the Lord.
00:59:02.000 Yes.
00:59:03.000 Well, now what is this?
00:59:04.000 So, well, what we have here today are 100% white quartz bowls and a couple Tibetan bowls.
00:59:11.000 And are you going to play them down there?
00:59:13.000 Are you going to be comfortable sat on this hard studio floor?
00:59:16.000 Yeah, I can't.
00:59:16.000 I don't have a.
00:59:17.000 I mean, that's where you set the self up.
00:59:19.000 Maybe I can serve that function.
00:59:20.000 Okay, okay.
00:59:22.000 Are you.
00:59:23.000 So, what is your goal for experience today?
00:59:28.000 Transcendent ecstatic bliss and total union with God at all times.
00:59:33.000 Okay.
00:59:33.000 And anything less than that will not do.
00:59:36.000 Then I would say, I feel like Nikki should come hold the mic and you should get in a position that you can be very comfortable.
00:59:43.000 Oh, right.
00:59:43.000 Okay.
00:59:43.000 No, I can't look.
00:59:45.000 You said comfortable.
00:59:46.000 I heard vulnerable.
00:59:47.000 Don't you worry about that.
00:59:48.000 We're okay.
00:59:50.000 Thank you.
00:59:51.000 Yeah, no.
00:59:51.000 Go on.
00:59:52.000 Just play these things because I can't lay down and all that.
00:59:54.000 That's just, it's not my wheelhouse.
00:59:56.000 Okay.
00:59:57.000 So I would say, And everyone in the room, and anyone watching, and anyone listening, just to allow this time for yourself to practice letting go.
01:00:09.000 Part of the practice of really staying in the present moment, releasing this grip of the control we think we have, and allowing yourself to feel your heart space open where you can truly feel love and joy.
01:00:24.000 That's really sort of a beautiful introduction.
01:02:06.000 Yeah, that's very, very beautiful.
01:02:09.000 That's very beautiful.
01:02:10.000 It's very, um, yeah, in the beginning there was the word, and this sort of thread upon which all reality hangs, that runs through us all and through which we run, it's very beautiful.
01:02:26.000 It's very beautiful to experience silence in that way, to feel silence illumined by that holy vibration.
01:02:36.000 I think I've heard stuff like that before, but sometimes you think you can't go from the energy of doing like a streamed show on Rumble and the sort of necessary feeling of what do I want to say?
01:02:51.000 When I say chaos, I don't mean chaos in a negative way because I know chaos can have a negative connotation, but I mean potentiality and I mean unbounded.
01:02:59.000 Like, you know, like this is new doing the show in this way, and I like it to feel unbounded.
01:03:05.000 You know, like God can't be God if you're trying to be God, like you were sort of saying at the beginning.
01:03:09.000 It was very, very profound and very beautiful that.
01:03:12.000 And actually, what you've done is you've created a bit of a state, Kenzie, where it's hard for me to amp up into, and now it's time for it.
01:03:20.000 Because the sacred is all around us continually.
01:03:23.000 And I also wanted to just, it made me think, oh, I'd just like to lay for about five hours and do that.
01:03:28.000 Like about five hours and just do that and forever.
01:03:33.000 There's so much complex ephemera everywhere, spending all of your time standing in line.
01:03:41.000 Kmart or trying to like you know a gas station operating the thing and then it plays a commercial into you.
01:03:48.000 I mean, oh, then you eat food and it's disgusting food that you know is poisoning it.
01:03:53.000 And we're just surrounded by you see when our man old handsome Timothy there is explaining the Nephilim and these haunting demonic presences that are kind of continually there.
01:04:05.000 It's like I feel like what this does it creates sanctity.
01:04:08.000 That's very, very beautiful.
01:04:10.000 I think, Jake, if it's God's will, when we do our like our tent revival tour of your country, America.
01:04:16.000 And we go from place to place doing like a sort of a live P.T. Barnum but for God type show.
01:04:22.000 This, I like this noise, don't you, mate?
01:04:24.000 Yeah, it takes all the noise and confusion away.
01:04:28.000 It's like the, that's the same thing like a pad will do on a keyboard.
01:04:32.000 Just remove all, even the distraction from words.
01:04:36.000 Man, that was amazing.
01:04:38.000 Yeah, it's really beautiful.
01:04:38.000 Really beautiful.
01:04:40.000 What do people, what should they, you know, learn more about in that?
01:04:44.000 Have you got.
01:04:45.000 I mean, I think every city offers.
01:04:48.000 Some sort of modality of creating space for silence.
01:04:54.000 I mean, even Gabe was talking about he did a silent retreat for a week.
01:05:00.000 And, you know, silence not for punishment, but silence for space.
01:05:05.000 And I think that expansiveness is something that we just don't have as much access to today than we're used to having.
01:05:12.000 And so when we experience it, words can't explain it.
01:05:18.000 You feel it.
01:05:20.000 You know, and so the more that there are so many beautiful facilitators in our community across the world, the more we can share moments of just like hope and love.
01:05:31.000 I think you can feel that through stillness.
01:05:35.000 And it's within you.
01:05:36.000 And that's what's so beautiful it's like sometimes people will thank me for things, but it's like really, I did nothing.
01:05:43.000 You did it.
01:05:44.000 Anything you feel is because you accessed that within yourself.
01:05:49.000 Luckily, I never say thank you.
01:05:50.000 So, hey, that's my moment to be able to change the ambience.
01:05:54.000 Kenzie, thanks very much.
01:05:55.000 Round of applause for Kenzie, everyone.
01:05:57.000 Hey, thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
01:06:00.000 If you want to learn more about Kenzie's work, you can.
01:06:02.000 There's a link there.
01:06:03.000 We'll post that in a little bit.
01:06:04.000 Otherwise, I'll see you next time.
01:06:06.000 Not for more of the same, but for more of the different.
01:06:07.000 Till then, if you can, stay free.