The Alex Jones Show Live - October 29, 2026


DEEP DIVE： Kushner's Phone Hack Reveals Him Hiring Ex-CIA Hitman & Secret Foreign Bank Accounts!

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00:00:00.000 Kushner essentially had his phone hacked by Russians.
00:00:03.460 It's an iPhone X.
00:00:05.620 The Russian flips to Dutch intelligence, and then Dutch intelligence has access to that
00:00:11.260 phone's everything.
00:00:12.940 So I keep telling you, it's not just like your emails.
00:00:16.500 It's everything.
00:00:17.960 So every time that phone's screen is on, they're recording it.
00:00:21.600 Every time a notification comes in, they're recording.
00:00:24.660 Anything that comes up on the screen, they're recording it.
00:00:27.560 Any phone, they're recording it.
00:00:30.000 They have all this stuff, and they're claiming wire transfers to private military contractors.
00:00:38.020 We're not just talking about operations in the Middle East, such as Azerbaijan, et cetera, but also out in Africa.
00:00:45.860 So Kushner's allegedly doing those transactions on the phone, allegedly also getting up to $2 billion in foreign accounts through these charitable groups,
00:00:58.680 One billion of which ends up residing in Israel under Netanyahu's authority, supposedly.
00:01:07.760 Again, all of this is, I just want, I don't know.
00:01:11.780 This is what's being reported, okay?
00:01:15.200 And it just shows what a global player he is in all of it and how hitmen are utilized
00:01:21.300 and PMCs are utilized and how the Saudi Arabian connection and UAE connection are a part of it.
00:01:28.680 And that is all very, very real, that they do work together.
00:01:32.840 Jared Kushner is a powerful guy.
00:01:34.980 There is no doubt about that.
00:01:37.440 And I would imagine that there are certainly some aspects of this that are real.
00:01:44.460 They sound extremely real and plausible.
00:01:46.980 I don't know what kind of forensic evidence Matthew Cole has.
00:01:49.960 But the book is called Princes and Thieves, coming out this week.
00:01:53.920 Jared Kushner and Mohammed bin Zayed's secret plan to remake the Middle East.
00:01:59.360 All of this has been denied by Kushner, by the way, and he's threatening to sue. 0.77
00:02:05.220 I'm surprised the lawsuit hasn't started, but I think they're waiting to see
00:02:09.000 exactly what evidence he has on the table.
00:02:14.060 Back in the Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, it's Alex Jones.
00:02:20.380 And once again, you are the Paul Revere's. Share the links and spread the word of this historic broadcast. Go to alexjoneslive.com. We've only just begun to fight.
00:02:35.740 it is the fourth hour of the alex jones show i am your guest host and we have got a ton to cover
00:02:55.660 over the next hour now one of the first things that we're going to be taking an in-depth look at
00:03:01.160 is this supposed hack of jared kushner's phone what we know what we do not know um who the
00:03:10.580 journalist is that has written a book and had access to this stuff um for over half a decade
00:03:17.100 allegedly supposedly this fell into his lap in 2020 and now we are getting a book and
00:03:24.860 john stewart to his credit you know i've been critical of stewart on many issues but at the
00:03:30.900 same time, he's remained kind of like that traditional liberal, although he is extremely
00:03:36.820 partisan and champions a ton of different policies and ideologies that I can't get down with.
00:03:42.520 Remember, this is at least the person that made the chocolate factory analogy via the COVID 1984
00:03:50.340 nightmare and said, well, you know, if, you know, we had a bunch of chocolate next to a chocolate
00:03:55.280 factory aka the uh virus coming from wuhan by the way which i don't buy into folks there is no lab
00:04:02.180 leak you know i just want to quickly address i saw that uh harrison smith and uh i think it was
00:04:10.080 buckley carlson and several others were on the the walk away forum talking about whether or not
00:04:16.260 alex stein was there whether or not the the virus was seeded or created on purpose 100 percent
00:04:21.540 So it's not there is no leak, everybody. You know, had had I been on there, I just would have hit a few bullet points that really weren't brought up.
00:04:31.340 First bullet point on that. The virus was in the United States 100 percent well before January.
00:04:38.460 All the evidence shows October, the latest, probably September.
00:04:43.820 OK, remember, October is when they run the event 201 pandemic preparedness plan where it outlined a lot of what they were able to get away with via globalization, fear mongering.
00:04:58.740 Instead of a virus from a bat, it was a virus from a pig and it was a coronavirus and they had little plushies.
00:05:05.420 But just take a look at the circumstantial evidence just quickly.
00:05:09.100 worst flu season ever okay i mean horrible flu season that season then you had all these young
00:05:17.200 people who were being hospitalized with what they were calling popcorn lung and they said it was
00:05:21.660 from the magic vaporizers that never went anywhere and are still wildly popular today
00:05:27.960 net never addressed any of that um you do have some of the water sampling in the united states
00:05:34.080 etc etc this was a seeded virus multiple times okay and the idea of it being obviously debunked
00:05:43.340 as being zoonotic or biological that argument ended as soon as you took a look at the virus
00:05:49.760 and it had an hiv spike protein embedded in its fur and cleavage site game over that ain't in
00:05:58.080 nature, folks. So you look at it, it was clearly seeded. And we're actually going to illustrate
00:06:04.240 later on with another story that just isn't in the news for some reason. You may have heard about
00:06:10.380 the Chinese biological laboratory that they found in California very briefly. And this is why it's 0.96
00:06:17.460 beyond a nation state and China can point to the U.S. and the U.S. can point to China and they can
00:06:22.700 get into the contracting. And that's why we've got to have people like Andrew G. Huff from
00:06:28.020 EcoHealth Alliance, who is a conduit via contracting, blow the whistle. He also agrees
00:06:32.880 with my assessment, by the way, that the virus was in the United States during that time period in
00:06:38.400 2019. He doesn't go as far as saying it was absolutely ceded, but he also doesn't doubt
00:06:44.100 that's the case either. I mean, I think, again, all the information is there. But the story you're
00:06:49.020 not hearing about is that lab is actually connected to another lab over in Vegas, which
00:06:54.880 is connected to an Israeli who's still being detained to this day, although they've dropped
00:06:59.820 a bunch of charges, and he's not going to be in court again until March, named Ori Solomon.
00:07:06.940 So that's going to be covered today. So it's going to be Kushner Hack, Biolabs, Ori Solomon,
00:07:12.940 the board of peace the future of technocracy as these predator class elites see it and then we're
00:07:19.500 also going to head all the way back to 9-11 and 9-11 truth because that is just one of those apex
00:07:25.300 points where so much of this flooded the zone and became normalized for their authoritarian global
00:07:31.640 police state that is being built this is the alex jones show we're gonna be back after this
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00:08:03.920 classic halloween beat everybody and it's very fitting not only for the subject matter
00:08:08.660 but the time of year. So, again, we're really going to focus on the Kushner hack, what has
00:08:15.980 been alleged, the book that's coming out, The Journalist, in a moment. But I wanted to start
00:08:21.740 with my frustration, OK, because I voted for Trump three times. All right. Now, I'm not in
00:08:29.840 a land of fairy tales and unicorns. I even realized the first administration was extremely
00:08:34.960 Limited. At the end of the day, we got the COVID-1984 nightmare. We got Operation Warp Speed,
00:08:40.200 and there's been zero criminal accountability for anybody, not only in this country, but across the
00:08:45.640 board, right? Especially the big vocalized players. And a lot of those players, aka Gates and others,
00:08:52.840 are now parading around the media, getting you ready for the next manufactured crisis
00:08:57.520 by this same cabal of creditors, okay?
00:09:02.880 You would have thought that after the 2020 election was completely stolen,
00:09:10.680 you would have thought after the assassination attempts that I think were completely valid.
00:09:16.140 I think, again, you're an inch away from watching the president's head blown off
00:09:20.120 in front of everybody, and that changes the world significantly.
00:09:23.020 And I don't think a lot of people get how over the top that could have been and terrible that could have been.
00:09:29.300 And I think it's a real thing, OK, that he was going to come out guns blazing, that we were actually going to get arrests and prosecutions.
00:09:39.220 But here we are in midterm town, USA, literally less than a week away and already a bunch of the mail-in stuff has started.
00:09:47.380 So already the fraud is right. We didn't fix the mail-ins. Sure aren't talking about the machines.
00:09:53.020 OK, so at the end of the day, a lot of the bad policies that have put us in the situation, there's been no pushback and there's been no real change.
00:10:03.160 And now the rhetoric isn't even there. Extremely dangerous.
00:10:06.860 And at the same time, the rhetoric is not there and is no longer at the forefront of the conversation.
00:10:12.980 We've involved ourselves in all these foreign wars, particularly in the Middle East.
00:10:18.080 Very dangerous, very terrible. OK, and now we're talking about doomsday drills. 0.76
00:10:22.680 I could do an entire hour on that alone. But I want to illustrate even this week what we have
00:10:30.080 of the hopium of people going to jail. No one's going to jail. I want to be wrong. I want to come
00:10:37.460 back in two years on this very broadcast and say, you know what? Ali Crow, they got him. 0.95
00:10:44.200 James Comey is in prison after the third time they try to indict the guy. We know he's a criminal.
00:10:51.160 I mean, this is one of the main guys that was a conduit for, forget about Trump and stealing the election, just, and the fact that he was a Russian agent, just the idea that those DNC hacks that were released by WikiLeaks were somehow hacked by the GRU and the Russians. 0.95
00:11:10.980 That's insane.
00:11:13.300 There is just no evidence for it.
00:11:14.880 Now, I'm not even saying the Russians may not have had access to a lot of that information.
00:11:19.020 In fact, we're going to be talking about Russians hacking Kushner's phone and then the Dutch piggybacking on that Russian hack.
00:11:28.960 But once again, even that story, if true, is the realization it's not just Russia, Russia, Russia.
00:11:36.100 All the forensic evidence shows that was an insider with a USB drive or the equivalent of a USB hard drive that downloaded the data and then gave it to WikiLeaks.
00:11:47.560 And I don't think it was a Russian inside the DNC. And certainly that's not what they have portrayed. So, again, does James Comey deserve to be in prison? Oh, yeah. Is he going there? Not a shot in hell.
00:12:00.820 I just I and if the past you know a couple years now haven't shown you that on top of what's
00:12:10.820 happened the last eight years I mean really the last decade right when this whole like Trump-esque
00:12:16.400 phenomenon started I don't know what to tell you and this insanity against Russia remember that
00:12:22.040 during that time period when it first started and all the way up to the COVID-1984 nightmare we
00:12:26.380 still even had rt that network and sure it has its problems but is it way more independent and tell
00:12:32.000 way more of the truth about the united states than our media it's not even ballpark and they
00:12:37.440 banned them during the covet 1984 nightmare so hunter biden who's on his like reclamation tour
00:12:44.060 he's on every right-wing podcast you could imagine everybody's having fun with him i'm not having fun
00:12:49.860 hunter i don't think any of it was cute i think there's a lot of criminal behavior there i think
00:12:56.300 a lot of questionable stuff with your niece, which apparently people just forgot. Pepperidge
00:13:03.940 Farms remembers, buddy. So yeah, you know, the big headlines, you know, again, getting people
00:13:09.300 revved up for the midterms. Yeah, we're going to charge those ex-FBI officials in the Hunter
00:13:15.460 Biden probe. That helped cover it up because that's what the FBI does in these high-level
00:13:18.700 cases. They're part of the management cover-up crew when you're dealing with high-profile
00:13:24.500 political figures. They're also part of the prosecution crew if they're trying to go after
00:13:31.220 people, mainly the whistleblowers, mainly the people that rock the boat, that go against the
00:13:39.000 grain. Otherwise, you end up getting protected. This is what their job was, to protect Hunter.
00:13:45.700 Okay? Another great example of this. I mean, we're going down the line. There's a ton of
00:13:50.340 these before you even get to Kushner. All right. Ilhan Omar. How many times on this broadcast
00:13:56.320 was it discussed over the past five plus years that she married her brother?
00:14:01.160 And I constantly go to this point. She's a manufactured politician, just like AOC, 1.00
00:14:06.920 like literally the same Democratic globalist groups with big money held auditions for people 0.98
00:14:13.860 they wanted to run in districts they knew they could take. I mean, they put Ilhan Omar in maroon
00:14:20.060 five videos. They realize the pretty face. The whole getup, okay? And they knew she was
00:14:27.840 compromised out of the gates. They love compromised. You know, Dennis Hassert passed
00:14:34.120 away this past month, okay? This is a guy who was labeled a serial child molester by a judge,
00:14:42.220 never did any time for that, who was accused by several people, one of which the whole thing
00:14:50.560 came undone when he was paying off a hush money scheme to one of his victims. That's how it all
00:14:57.160 unraveled. And that's the only reason he even went to jail. It had nothing to do with actually
00:15:00.680 molesting the guy when he was a kid. It had everything to do with the way he was laundering
00:15:06.120 the money to him. But this was a guy who was accused of doing very bad things to children,
00:15:12.580 to fourth graders, 10-year-olds, when he was a teacher slash coach.
00:15:20.380 Okay? Okay. Did that stop him from becoming the long—this is before his political career he's
00:15:27.560 doing this. And he becomes the longest-serving Speaker of the House of Representatives,
00:15:33.780 gets a slap on the wrist for all of it he's an old man in a wheelchair he got 18 months he served
00:15:42.020 i think less than 15 and then he lived another nine years on the outside they love them
00:15:48.680 compromised so ilhan omar i mean and plus they love to see how far they can get away with it
00:15:54.940 once all the facts are out there like like even if the doj wants doj wants to do their job here
00:16:00.900 good luck 175 democrats demand trump and men stop ilhana omar investigation i mean the public
00:16:09.120 investigation's been out there for a long time and now we're coming here and it doesn't look
00:16:13.460 like it's going to go anywhere again no one's going to jail we're not done fbi raids billionaire
00:16:19.360 beverly hills mansion in connection with eric swalwell probe okay great i mean how long have
00:16:25.700 The Fang Fang joke's been going on. This is a guy who, once again, tried to fleece the public
00:16:34.260 like he was a family man. I mean, the outward scumbaggery of this dude that you could just 0.74
00:16:42.140 read on his face and his demeanor is over the top. It's over the top. I remember, I mean, 0.92
00:16:49.380 with everybody already knowing that, you know, he's a womanizer, he's compromised again by a 0.91
00:16:57.080 Chinese spy. He does a campaign video when he was running for the presidency of him changing a diaper 0.95
00:17:04.320 and throw. He's going to he's going to clean up D.C. like he cleans up those dirty diapers.
00:17:09.220 That guy, he ain't going to jail either. OK, and even even if you've got a guy like him,
00:17:18.360 That's small potatoes.
00:17:20.520 You know how many people are in line to be the next Swalwell to find, you know, better 1.00
00:17:25.480 hookers on the weekends, better steakhouses during the week, better vacation homes and 0.99
00:17:32.760 private jet rides? 1.00
00:17:34.080 Oh, they're lined up to the hill.
00:17:36.880 And it's yes, boss.
00:17:38.580 OK, that's how it works.
00:17:40.940 So now let's get into the Cushington.
00:17:43.880 Derek Kushner is a powerful guy.
00:17:46.020 There is no doubt about that.
00:17:48.480 And I would imagine that there are certainly some aspects of this that are real.
00:17:55.540 They sound extremely real and plausible.
00:17:58.060 I don't know what kind of forensic evidence Matthew Cole has,
00:18:00.960 but the book is called Princes and Thieves, coming out this week.
00:18:05.760 Jared Kushner and Mohammed bin Zayed's secret plan to remake the Middle East.
00:18:11.280 Now, Zayed is the president of the UAE, and if you don't understand how big the Middle
00:18:17.860 East is right now, even in tourism, especially Abu Dhabi, global sports, they've been an
00:18:24.380 ally of the United States.
00:18:25.460 You don't hear anything about them because everybody's focused on Israel, but it's really
00:18:29.580 an Anglo-American-Saudi-Israeli alliance, okay?
00:18:33.900 And it has been for some time.
00:18:36.440 And that alliance has accelerated exceptionally, again, since 9-11,
00:18:41.720 why we're going to hit 9-11 at the end of this entire segment.
00:18:46.560 So Vanity Fair put out a small portion of the book.
00:18:51.160 Now, it's behind a paywall.
00:18:52.720 So literally, if you want to see the in-depth reporting of what I know was reported,
00:18:56.940 I did a whole video on this.
00:18:58.460 I'm over on YouTube.
00:18:59.920 Just type in Jason Burmess.
00:19:01.180 There's my name at the bottom.
00:19:02.420 That's how you'll find the entire video.
00:19:03.840 I'm going to give you the cliff notes.
00:19:05.580 All of this has been denied by Kushner, by the way, and he's threatening to sue.
00:19:11.440 I'm surprised the lawsuit hasn't started, but I think they're waiting to see exactly what evidence he has on the table.
00:19:19.420 So the story goes this way, at least what's been reported.
00:19:22.520 And it's probably way more than that.
00:19:23.820 And a lot of this is plausible, by the way, because before we even get into that,
00:19:28.520 Jared Kushner, the Kush Kush, who openly says that, you know, his generation might be the first to live forever.
00:19:36.580 He's very much a part of the restructuring of what is to happen in Gaza if the people in charge right now get their way.
00:19:45.540 And this is a tweet from when was this?
00:19:48.320 A little over a month ago. 0.64
00:19:50.620 OK, our goals are transparent, a fully demilitarized Gaza. 0.79
00:19:53.620 That means a slave state, fully demilitarized, governed responsibly by Palestinians, where people can live with dignity, opportunity, hope and peace. 0.95
00:20:05.160 OK, whatever Palestinians they choose, they're selected. 1.00
00:20:08.800 They're not elected. 1.00
00:20:09.840 They're outright puppets.
00:20:11.560 And it's really emphasized in this next paragraph.
00:20:15.040 Much of what we presented totally did not exist a year ago.
00:20:18.420 Well, it was on paper.
00:20:19.580 And now they've built the Board of Peace.
00:20:21.860 If you watch this hour-long presentation, Tony Blair kicks it off.
00:20:25.960 Again, another mouthpiece during the War of Terror.
00:20:29.480 OK, so before the phone hack, I just want everybody to know Jared Kushner is rebuilding
00:20:35.600 the Middle East with the help of the UAE, Netanyahu in particular, if you believe this
00:20:41.540 story, MBS, Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia.
00:20:45.500 Also, if you believe this, through money, it says today there is a ceasefire.
00:20:50.620 Is there? I see horrible things in my feed every day. Horrible. Just things I don't want to see.
00:20:57.760 I don't like looking at dead kids anywhere. I don't like seeing them in the Middle East. 1.00
00:21:02.540 The hostages are home, and a Palestinian technocratic government is ready. A security 1.00
00:21:08.820 and demilitarization framework has been developed, and 66, I love that number,
00:21:17.620 Projects are all ready to begin
00:21:19.820 Rebuilding Gaza
00:21:21.180 And improving people's lives 0.99
00:21:23.760 Okay
00:21:25.920 A technocracy
00:21:28.940 Is just authoritarian rule
00:21:32.060 By the current globalist bureaucracy
00:21:34.760 That's no bueno to me
00:21:36.920 And
00:21:37.540 Kushner again
00:21:38.920 He's been
00:21:39.640 He's a Bilderberg guy
00:21:42.040 In fact in 2019 when he went
00:21:44.360 He and Pompeo went on a builder boat
00:21:47.260 to a castle where Pompeo was giving a speech supposedly on foreign policy involving what?
00:21:54.060 Iran. And look where we are today. These people, and that's back in 2019. So here's the other
00:21:59.420 thing. Kushner's power didn't go away after the first Trump administration. So this isn't just
00:22:04.700 like, I'm sure he gets more doors open via that nepotism, but he's always going to have those
00:22:08.560 doors open. And he's somebody that is one of these figures that may or may not at certain times,
00:22:17.920 again, through the Trump administration, have any kind of security clearances.
00:22:22.180 So the things that are alleged in this and Jon Stewart pushed back a little bit. Again, cliff
00:22:29.760 notes. Kushner essentially had his phone hacked by Russians. It's an iPhone X. The Russian
00:22:38.340 flips to Dutch intelligence, and then Dutch intelligence has access to that phone's
00:22:43.480 everything. So I keep telling you, it's not just like your emails, it's everything. So every time
00:22:50.500 that phone's screen is on, they're recording it. Every time a notification comes in, they're
00:22:56.000 recording. Anything that comes up on the screen, they're recording it. Any phone, they're recording
00:23:00.780 it. They have all this stuff. And they're claiming wire transfers to private military
00:23:08.500 contractors. We're not just talking about operations in the Middle East, such as Azerbaijan,
00:23:15.320 et cetera, but also out in Africa. And we're going to get into the paramilitary groups and
00:23:22.000 what's going on in Africa right now. Again, Africa doesn't get discussed enough.
00:23:27.680 And in that post 9-11 world, in the tail end of the Bush administration, you had AFRICOM take off right into the beginning of the Barack star administration when they gave him the Nobel Prize, when we were kicking off a whole new segment of contracting groups, which constantly change their name.
00:23:49.840 OK, for instance, right now, Blackwater, the latest one, which we're going to get into, is now Vectis Global.
00:23:56.160 It was Academy. It's XE services. But then there's 100 plus of them in the United States.
00:24:01.120 There's not even a list, a comprehensive list of how many PMCs operate out of here and globally forget about it.
00:24:09.160 You're probably talking about well over a thousand of these groups that then have no accountability and can be used for any kind of wet works operation and protection operation.
00:24:18.400 That's exactly what happened to Tim Kennedy, which we'll get into.
00:24:21.840 So Kushner's allegedly doing those transactions on the phone, allegedly also getting up to
00:24:30.480 $2 billion in foreign accounts through these charitable groups, $1 billion of which ends
00:24:36.840 up residing in Israel under Netanyahu's authority, supposedly.
00:24:43.420 Again, all of this is, I just want, I don't know.
00:24:46.680 Well, this is what's being reported.
00:24:50.020 OK, and it just shows what a global player he is in all of it and how hitmen are utilized and PMCs are utilized and how the Saudi Arabian connection and UAE connection are a part of it.
00:25:04.560 And that's that is all very, very real that they do work together.
00:25:09.180 So John Kiriakou, who I have a lot of respect for, he had a big tweet about Matthew Cole,
00:25:16.800 who's the journalist that put this out.
00:25:18.740 He said that he was in contact with Cole's source on this matter.
00:25:22.940 He also said that the Trump administration was basically going to be coming after him
00:25:28.560 in short order.
00:25:30.200 OK, so John Stewart, to his credit, OK, like I said, he's challenged Matthew Cole on some
00:25:38.020 of this stuff. And I want to play some of that segment from The Daily Show right now, challenging
00:25:44.080 Cole on some of the information in this book. With stories that sound harder to wrap your head
00:25:52.900 around, like the Dutch hacked Jared Kushner and didn't tell the Americans, or the Dutch found out
00:26:02.060 that the Russians hacked Jared Kushner and didn't tell the Americans. Why would the Dutch tell the
00:26:07.200 americans that they hacked the president's son-in-law's phone if they made that no lies
00:26:14.040 yeah but at the time they were terrified as were most of nato's allies most people in nato most
00:26:20.180 countries in nato that trump was a russian spy right that he was a setup and so so let's just
00:26:25.760 stop it right there no internal intelligence agencies other as a front to build their security
00:26:33.500 believe that and that and that's why everything out of cole's mouth also has to be suspect
00:26:38.940 and that's and that's why we're playing this clip right again jones talks about all the time i call
00:26:44.600 balls and strikes i stick to what i can prove um i what forensic evidence is this guy going to put
00:26:51.180 out along with this book that's a big question i have when they see money flowing from azerbaijan
00:26:57.160 okay they have this question why didn't they talk to the biden administration in 2020 i mean
00:27:02.400 intelligence agencies spy on countries all that's literally what they do okay okay but and they don't
00:27:09.640 talk about it but this is a big magilla and you're asking us to go with you on a big magilla not for
00:27:15.680 a story that seems implausible in the sense that uh money laundering is rife but like it does beggar
00:27:23.320 belief when you think like why wouldn't they do this through crypto or shit that you can't trace 0.92
00:27:27.580 It's like signatories through the First Bank of Abu Dhabi and the Central Bank of Israel seem crazy. 0.95
00:27:32.280 I think, first of all, you've read the book, right?
00:27:34.140 I have.
00:27:34.760 Okay.
00:27:35.200 Did you enjoy it?
00:27:36.100 I mean.
00:27:36.460 I did.
00:27:37.020 Would you recommend it to others?
00:27:41.960 I don't think most people are readers.
00:27:44.960 Okay.
00:27:45.900 That's not much of a.
00:27:46.640 I think most people are waiting for the book.
00:27:48.440 Okay.
00:27:48.920 No, it is.
00:27:50.460 It was a frustrating read.
00:27:52.180 Again, you know, obviously he gets that wrong there.
00:27:55.260 He means waiting for the movie.
00:27:57.580 And who knows? But at the same time, like he's talking about, all this is going through like central banks.
00:28:04.700 I just I just want to reiterate something about black operations really quick.
00:28:08.840 OK. Eight months ago, publicly. Vectus Global goes into Congo.
00:28:16.420 You don't hear much about it. OK. And in the top of the next segment, we're going to go back to Jon Stewart.
00:28:23.060 We're also going to get into this biolab that was found in Vegas that has ties to this Israeli,
00:28:29.520 and it's just not in the news.
00:28:31.680 But we wouldn't even know about this Congo ambush, which was a lethal one, by the way,
00:28:36.160 in which these people supposedly were there to stop fraud and go after people that had stolen money.
00:28:44.340 In reality, the United States government went in there with the Democratic Republic of Congo.
00:28:50.840 They made deals on their minerals and resources, and instead of having our military outright protect those, our military works in back channels with these PMC groups.
00:29:03.560 They're saying 20 dead and injured on this one, and it should be all over the mainstream media.
00:29:08.600 It's barely there either, but the only reason I think they even made the news is because Tim Kennedy is an ex-UFC fighter, a really good one.
00:29:16.160 I believe he was a champion in Strikeforce and a pretty popular social media podcaster.
00:29:21.920 Supposedly, he got shot in the leg like three.
00:29:23.960 They said four times at first, three times later.
00:29:26.060 He hasn't done any videos.
00:29:28.060 And they reported at least one special forces guy dead.
00:29:30.660 When they say 20 dead and injured, they don't tell you how many dead.
00:29:34.020 That's a big one.
00:29:34.600 Looks like they got ambushed.
00:29:36.680 OK, those are the type of things that really go on.
00:29:41.120 So so it does.
00:29:42.140 Allies don't necessarily just share information either.
00:29:46.160 But I like that Stewart is pushing back.
00:29:50.080 We do need to push back on all this stuff, okay?
00:29:54.320 I want the source material, and the source material becomes harder and harder to find.
00:30:00.240 So we're going to come back.
00:30:01.740 We're going to wrap up the Kushner story.
00:30:03.400 We're going to get into this BioLabs in Vegas story connected to a guy named Ori Solomon.
00:30:10.060 And then we're going to hit up 9-11 Truth 25 years later.
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00:32:43.620 It's the Alex Jones Show.
00:32:50.240 We are back.
00:32:51.280 And it's the fourth hour of the Alex Jones Show.
00:32:52.880 I am your guest host, Jason Vermes.
00:32:55.240 We'll give you a follow over on YouTube, over on X.
00:32:58.900 Look, the only way I get any traction is organic support from doing shows like this one.
00:33:04.740 The algorithm is not so big on the truth, especially when it's not about left or right.
00:33:09.560 It's about right and wrong.
00:33:11.160 OK, and it goes down the line.
00:33:13.640 So please consider giving me a follow over there and subscribing over on YouTube, too.
00:33:18.720 You know, you want to check out the Kushner story even bigger.
00:33:21.320 Again, I did like 40 minutes on it.
00:33:23.020 There's a ton of great stuff out there that you're really not seeing anywhere else.
00:33:26.920 So before we get into the Vegas Biolab story, which I think is a big story and it's basically being ignored by the mainstream media, and it illustrates how there are probably a lot of these facilities.
00:33:38.880 This one looks kind of like a sloppier facility in neighborhoods, in rural areas that, in fact, could be the conduit for something like another COVID-1984 nightmare.
00:33:50.560 And we're a possible conduit at that time. And you don't hear anything about it because there's no real investigation or prosecution into that event.
00:33:58.480 So let's get back to Jon Stewart pushing back on Matthew Cole and his sources for this Kushner story, because he also makes, you know, a really good point about the Steele dossier and the pee tape Johnny nonsense.
00:34:15.940 Again, I think it's good that Jon Stewart doesn't embrace that stuff either.
00:34:23.220 That's important.
00:34:24.480 At least that reaches some people that are still captured by the mainstream media and
00:34:28.980 party politics and the Democratic Party, et cetera.
00:34:32.900 So back to Stewart and The Daily Show.
00:34:35.160 If I'm being honest.
00:34:36.660 OK.
00:34:36.860 It's a story that I believe on theory, but I felt like, oh, this is going to sound crazy.
00:34:47.860 It felt a little like religion.
00:34:50.300 I get the general, like, there might be something in the sky that's bigger than all of us.
00:34:56.200 But once you get down to, like, and he's a carpenter, then I'm like, okay.
00:35:00.120 um and i think that for me was part of the problem is when you get into some of the specifics
00:35:08.860 they raise so many questions that i began to question the entire narrative and if and if and
00:35:16.360 if i can question the specifics it felt like it undercut the larger story okay and that's fair and
00:35:23.800 that's what i want are people is people to read it and come up come up with their own decision
00:35:27.940 or their own sense of what they think.
00:35:29.840 I'm very confident that what is in there,
00:35:31.760 I'm sitting here, very confident
00:35:33.180 that what is in there is true.
00:35:34.680 And I'm fully behind it.
00:35:37.020 And the real issue is, I think,
00:35:39.820 is that one, all of this stuff is complicated.
00:35:43.280 Okay, you have, I mean,
00:35:45.200 I didn't even get into the breakup
00:35:47.300 between MBZ and MBS, right?
00:35:49.620 Because they had a bromance and then they broke up.
00:35:52.460 And right now they're very broken up, right?
00:35:55.040 And so, and-
00:35:56.200 It was really-
00:35:57.940 rooting for them again though i think this also illustrates it's not just you know one vision
00:36:07.580 people butt heads within these arenas all the time and stab each other in the back it's just
00:36:13.380 kind of again it's the global mafia folks you know they you get to play at the card table
00:36:19.760 all right but there are certain rules at that card table and that doesn't mean you can't stab
00:36:26.200 the other guy in the back. But at the end of the day, you certainly can't out the larger agenda
00:36:31.600 or they'll just get rid of your ass. And so then they each individually are trying to wrap their 0.99
00:36:38.600 arm around Kushner and take him away from the other. I mean, there's there's a whole element
00:36:43.080 of that. Right. And so it's not easy stuff. It's it's you know, it's journalism and not journalism
00:36:50.100 isn't always, you know, investigative journalism in particular doesn't always have the perfect
00:36:54.280 ending. It has, you know, what's frustrating, I think partly is, is that when you're talking
00:36:59.480 about foreign policy and all of these powerful people who are interested in preserving their
00:37:06.220 own ends, right. And even their own ends is they break apart. They come together. You know, it's
00:37:11.520 not dissimilar. It's like watching Trump and Netanyahu, right. When they need each other,
00:37:15.300 they're together when they, when then they hate each other and they're apart. Right. So that is
00:37:20.000 the collection here. But there was a central element to it, which were these secret financial
00:37:25.480 transactions and deals between MBZ, MBS and Kushner. Right. But ultimately, for the veracity
00:37:33.140 of it, people are going to need more than like, take my word for it. I believe it. That's my only
00:37:39.160 point. And that within that, that's going to it's going to ultimately end up being a tough sell if
00:37:46.720 you for reasons that may seem um very reasonable to protect your sources and you've been burned in
00:37:53.580 this area before it would make sense i'm just concerned that like this this book's a big swing
00:38:00.580 sure like no question i'm i would say two things number one i think we are in a place right now
00:38:07.600 in this country where most people can see there's something wrong okay and look he again you have to
00:38:15.860 give some truth right even the people that were behind this MAGA stuff or woke up during the
00:38:23.520 COVID-19 84 nightmare they they were guaranteed new no new wars cheaper gas maybe maybe some
00:38:31.440 doze checks the deep state going down real arrests and prosecutions right so that makes the case for
00:38:39.020 this guy a little bit better with this yes okay this book for me started five years ago i pulled
00:38:49.500 a thread i followed that thread for five years but are you worried that this is the steel dossier
00:38:57.320 that this is no no no no selling a p-tape and you go on shows and go there's a p-tape no and
00:39:04.600 And and that puts you in a position you don't you don't worry.
00:39:07.920 Oh, I think. No, no. I think that journalism is imperfect. Right.
00:39:12.260 It's often described as the first draft of history.
00:39:14.760 Yeah. And just because I don't have you know, the book doesn't have every answer to every question or it prompts more questions.
00:39:22.020 To me, that's the point. Again, I want to see what he actually has.
00:39:27.600 If he just has, you know, supposed sources, that's going to be a big issue.
00:39:34.500 Let's move on to this other story.
00:39:35.840 Who is Ori Solomon, property manager, released ahead of trial in Las Vegas, illegal biolab
00:39:41.420 case?
00:39:42.020 Now, this thing, again, was not even on my radar.
00:39:45.840 Had no idea about it.
00:39:47.360 I knew about the one in China.
00:39:48.860 I didn't know this guy was connected.
00:39:51.360 So all this takes place back in January, and this saga is still going through.
00:39:56.740 In February, they released the guy.
00:40:00.060 And then, I mean, we're going to show some of the video of this.
00:40:03.920 stuff. I mean, it looks like a biolab because it is. And then this Ori guy is connected. And I'm
00:40:13.140 going to play you the video, the only local media report I can even see on it, where he seems to be
00:40:19.120 in contact with this guy while he's behind bars a bunch of times. And they had some gun charges on
00:40:28.100 him. The feds did. And for some reason, they dropped those in May. Okay. So
00:40:35.780 this story right here is just from a few weeks ago. It's October. Still no charges filed against
00:40:43.720 this guy arrested in this Las Vegas biolab investigation. So we're just going to kick it
00:40:51.020 up right here. Into the suspected biolab operating inside a home in a residential neighborhood in
00:40:57.500 Las Vegas. An arrest report on the property manager just released. The report suggests
00:41:03.400 this operation may have been in the works for a while. Metro Sheriff Kevin McMahill breaks down
00:41:08.640 what they found inside that garage here in Las Vegas. Investigators observed multiple refrigerators,
00:41:17.120 a freezer, and other laboratory-type equipment, along with numerous bottles and jugs containing
00:41:23.440 unknown liquid substances investigators observed one refrigerator that was still opening and wrapped
00:41:28.900 in the household plastic wrap along with the freezer that was plugged in and running you'll
00:41:34.340 see some of that in that video when the refrigerator and freezer were opened our
00:41:41.060 investigators identified a significant volume of material including various vials and storage
00:41:47.220 containers with liquids of different colors and compositions. Still a lot of questions tonight
00:41:54.560 regarding this operation and the ongoing investigation. Our Will Silverstein, you've
00:41:59.660 been poring over that arrest report today. You joined us live from the live desk. So what are
00:42:03.860 you finding? What are you gleaning from that arrest report? Well, we're getting a lot of answers,
00:42:07.900 but we wanted to focus here on these three big questions. Number one, who is Ori Solomon? Who
00:42:12.420 is that property manager? What was Solomon's relationship with the owners and what has
00:42:16.880 happened to those people living inside that home health-wise? Now, News 3 in-depth answers those
00:42:22.080 questions for what we've learned in our reporting now. Multiple refrigerators, red-brown unknown
00:42:30.000 liquids in gallon-sized containers, and refrigerated vials with unknown liquids.
00:42:35.940 That is what FBI and Las Vegas Metro teams uncovered over the course of a three-day ground
00:42:41.340 operation on a home off of Sugar Springs Drive in Northeast Las Vegas. The FBI and Metro giving
00:42:46.860 media an update on the investigation earlier this week detailing their operation. Resources were
00:42:52.260 mobilized from across Clark County, the city of Las Vegas, as well as our other state and federal
00:42:57.620 partners to include some from outside of our region to ensure that this operation could be
00:43:02.480 conducted safely. But several questions remain unanswered, including who is Ori Solomon? What
00:43:08.040 was Solomon's relationship with the owners? And what has happened to people living inside that
00:43:13.140 home. Well, let's start with number one. Who is Ori Solomon? He is the property manager whose
00:43:18.440 arrest report arrived at our newsroom Tuesday morning. In it, some shocking details. Solomon
00:43:23.360 is revealed to be an Israeli citizen and based off of whistleblower statements to police and
00:43:27.920 what investigators have dug up, Solomon is estimated to manage approximately 37 Airbnbs
00:43:33.240 and other short-term rentals. Among those short-term rentals, according to sources,
00:43:37.160 is the house on Sugar Springs. He's 55 years old and his initial charge was a charge of disposing
00:43:44.300 and discharging hazardous waste. That leads us to question number two. What was Solomon's
00:43:50.420 relationship with the owners? According to investigators, it is extensive. One of the
00:43:55.540 property owners, Ji-Bei Zhu, also known as David Herr, is currently locked up in a California
00:44:01.040 prison awaiting trial for his alleged involvement in the Readley lab. But being holed up does not
00:44:06.200 stop contact between Zhu and Solomon. Zhu is believed to have made 6,945 calls since being
00:44:13.760 interred. 467 of those calls have been to Solomon. Another 3,500 calls have been to Wang Zhaoyan,
00:44:21.840 the other owner of the Sugar Springs home in Los Angeles. Let me just stop that right there.
00:44:25.820 Look at those numbers. They're up there. 467 calls to this guy who's not in jail.
00:44:31.960 okay and this is that plausible deniability circle man and this is the things outside of
00:44:38.020 the nation states you got the israeli you got the guy from china it appears you got people on the
00:44:44.240 inside trying to marginalize this and manage this situation within our own government see how that
00:44:51.740 works okay so you know we're going to stop it there there seems to be a lot of smoke here
00:45:00.540 You saw the biolab. I mean, it gets into people getting sick. It gets into the fact that they had influenza strains there, that they were working on hate and lie shots, the big V, if you will. All that stuff's out there.
00:45:17.100 So, Ori Solomon, it might be worth looking into that guy, okay?
00:45:24.260 So the final story I wanted to cover here is one of great significance to me.
00:45:29.180 9-11 is really where I cut my teeth and got started.
00:45:34.760 And this gentleman has now been fighting literally for the better part of two decades in another country to get the truth in a real investigation into his brother's murder,
00:45:44.020 who clearly died in a secondary explosion that was not the plane's impact and not the demolition
00:45:53.600 of the buildings. I mean, all the forensic evidence is there. And he recently, just a couple
00:46:02.180 weeks ago, was at the UK Supreme Court in the tail end of this case. So there's going to be
00:46:08.620 about a nine, 10 minute front end excerpt of that interview. And you can see this whole interview
00:46:14.780 over at my channel on YouTube. Please, again, give me a subscribe. It's only through you guys
00:46:21.120 and real people that want real information outside of partisan politics that we're able to grow.
00:46:27.840 But here is a portion of my interview with Matt Campbell. We are with Matthew Campbell. And if
00:46:33.840 you're unaware of the Matthew Campbell story, it is one that we're going to go in depth in. But
00:46:39.480 Matt has worked with the International Center for 9-11 Justice. He's spoke at the last two events,
00:46:46.660 and he's been on a really two decade plus long journey on trying to get justice for his brother's
00:46:54.540 death and the truth about his brother's death on 9-11. You can also help support him at
00:47:01.020 crowdfunder.co.uk slash p slash 9-11, where he is truly taking this as far as it can possibly go.
00:47:10.880 And Matt, you are literally just coming off yet another court hearing. So before we even get there,
00:47:17.920 for my audience that may not be aware of your struggle, of your family trying to get justice
00:47:25.240 for your brother first tell us what happened with your brother what the evidence is and how
00:47:32.440 you began this journey yeah i mean it's quite a story i guess quite a journey i've been on um
00:47:39.180 yeah my brother worked for reuters up in midtown in manhattan he'd been in new york since 99 i think
00:47:46.000 um and he attended the conference on the 106th floor of the north tower um the rich waters
00:47:52.620 conference and was there suddenly on 9-11 and um you know we accepted he died over the years we had
00:48:02.440 some of his remains identified repatriated back over here in this country and when someone dies
00:48:09.140 uh either an unviolent a violent or a natural death um we have what's called an inquest in
00:48:15.480 this country and it's a judicial inquiry into not just how someone died but basically how did they
00:48:21.440 come about their death and um he finally had an inquest along with nine other people in 2013
00:48:29.600 and it really was very much a uh a rubber stamp job um the investigation was really no more than
00:48:38.680 a timeline of events you know aa11 took off at this time hit the north tower at this time
00:48:44.180 and collapsed you know later on it was that kind of yeah you wouldn't call it investigation
00:48:49.420 And there was certainly no evidence of the use of explosives or anything that wasn't part of the official narrative was never placed in front of the coroner.
00:49:01.900 So they just really stuck with the official narrative.
00:49:05.320 But most frustratingly, from my perspective, there was no inquiry.
00:49:09.340 And they have a lawful duty to do that.
00:49:12.520 So let's just stop right there for a second.
00:49:14.600 So I think you've got to get to the points here.
00:49:16.560 Instead of doing an actual investigation, they simply regurgitated what other authoritative sources had put to paper and put out in the official narrative
00:49:27.860 There was no detective, there were no interviews done that were original, etc, etc
00:49:36.200 This was essentially a rubber stamping of the official version, nothing to see here, move along, correct?
00:49:43.960 Yeah, I mean, 100%
00:49:45.300 um you know okay it's outside of the jurisdiction of um the police in this country but you know
00:49:51.400 there's not even a paper trail or you know like you say having interviews with people
00:49:55.620 um doing any sort of investigation um which you know they're supposed to do and so that that's
00:50:02.300 you know what we call insufficiency of inquiry which is a sort of um a key way of describing
00:50:07.180 what they didn't do um at the original inquest and we use that as i'll talk about in a bit
00:50:13.000 to actually get a new inquest reopened.
00:50:17.000 So now that that has happened,
00:50:19.900 obviously that's many, many years ago.
00:50:21.780 You guys didn't pull the plug.
00:50:24.340 In fact, I would say you put even more pressure on these people.
00:50:28.960 I mean, now we're in 2026, et cetera.
00:50:33.140 I want you to get to the point of the last time they stifled you,
00:50:37.580 but you kind of tried to pull an ace out of the hole
00:50:40.220 in the last six or so months.
00:50:43.000 in that, you know, you reached out to people, Roger Waters of Pink Floyd amongst them, and
00:50:49.000 actually ended up doing a media tour. Why do you even have to get that point? Take us to that point
00:50:55.040 in this journey. Yeah, so five years ago, we applied to the Attorney General for a new inquest
00:51:05.100 into Jeff's death. You have to get permission. It's a strange thing. This is the Attorney General
00:51:11.160 for England and Wales, we have to get their permission before it can be considered the
00:51:15.660 High Court to basically quash the old inquest and reopen a new one. And we basically wait
00:51:23.440 for their decision. And some 22 months later, they said no. We threatened them with some
00:51:31.820 litigation. They withdrew their decision. They made a new decision. And this was in
00:51:35.540 January 2024 and they just point blank refused to open a new inquest and gave us really no
00:51:44.880 explanation as to why a new inquest would be refused and so what you can do in this country
00:51:52.140 if someone in authority has made a decision and in this case obviously it's the Attorney General
00:51:58.300 you can challenge them through a process called judicial review which is basically you get the
00:52:04.060 court to look at whether that decision made by um the person in charge was a lawful one whether it
00:52:11.640 was rational whether you know did it follow procedures did they um you know do the appropriate
00:52:16.400 test for the um for the statute of trying to reopen an inquest and that was when the process
00:52:23.480 really started and so we ended up having um because of some wording they had in their refusal
00:52:30.080 which they basically said no you're not having a new inquest and our decision is absolute
00:52:37.400 non-reviewable and then they cited a case from the 1970s called Gurrier and we just thought well
00:52:46.680 we're going to challenge that so we applied for judicial review and the courts came back with
00:52:53.500 an unusual way of looking at our application and said, hang on a sec, before we look at
00:52:59.940 the judicial review application challenging this request, we've got to deal with this
00:53:05.040 claimed immunity that the Attorney General is saying they have.
00:53:08.320 And so they broke it off into what was called a preliminary hearing issue.
00:53:12.780 And so we eventually ended up being in the High Court last June.
00:53:17.460 and unfortunately
00:53:20.260 although we tried to argue as best we could
00:53:23.440 I had representation by a very senior barrister
00:53:26.520 he's called a king's councillor in this country
00:53:28.360 but we lost and the high court ruled that
00:53:31.600 however anomalous it may seem
00:53:34.680 the Attorney General is immune to any sort of
00:53:38.000 scrutiny or judicial review of a decision they've made
00:53:41.200 about an inquest which basically would
00:53:44.000 block us with nothing we could do
00:53:46.360 they gave us a little little the door was ajar left slightly ajar and that was it's anomalous
00:53:54.100 and the only court that can really decide this issue is the supreme court and it was important
00:54:01.060 that they did that because we applied for what was called a leapfrog certificate which meant we
00:54:04.340 could bypass court of appeal which is more time more money more delay more procedure and we went
00:54:11.700 straight to apply to the Supreme Court and you know amazingly really although I was confident
00:54:16.880 you don't really know you're going to get it at the top level um they uh agreed to a hearing at
00:54:23.260 the Supreme Court at the end of last year and a date was set um for 14th and 15th of October
00:54:29.040 and to your point about you know what how did I get here how did it you know people like Roger
00:54:34.580 Waters and people get involved the cost of going to the Supreme Court is just you know we'd raise
00:54:41.580 a lot of money to do the inquest application the high court you know judicial review attempt wasn't
00:54:45.900 cheap either but you know the supreme court is just another level up and you're talking over
00:54:50.140 40 million pounds and you know it was just there was no way we were going to raise that and we also
00:54:55.420 only had about four months no not even that maybe just three months to raise the money
00:55:00.940 and so you know very lucky that roger picked up on our case you know put a significant amount
00:55:07.260 our money in and then yeah we started going on a few mainstream um you know talk shows i mean
00:55:13.120 piers morgan being one of them in the uk um you know trying to to basically drum up you know
00:55:19.200 publicity but also uh ultimately to get funds to to um you know fund the the actual hearing itself
00:55:25.920 so folks we're gonna wrap that interview there you can watch uh the entire interview over at
00:55:34.020 my YouTube, that is YouTube.com slash InfoWarrior, or you just type in Jason Burmess. Please watch
00:55:40.140 it because I think it's significant that the government, whether it's the United States
00:55:45.880 government, United Kingdom government, et cetera, they have unlimited resources.
00:55:51.440 And 25 years later, they're so desperate to control the narrative on 9-11 that they put
00:55:58.420 this guy in a position to raise a quarter million dollars, probably a little bit more with pounds to
00:56:06.540 dollars, by the way, okay, in three months to try to get justice for his brother, okay? And that's
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