The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show EP 151 - Point of No Return

00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and pearson sharp

00:00:11.200 welcome back to another episode of anchorman this is the show where i kick it with my homies

00:00:22.600 here at one america news my forever co-host pearson sharp host of the sharp report also

00:00:29.100 quite the documentarian and

00:00:30.780 filmmaker, a number of projects for these

00:00:33.080 last couple years that are incredible.

00:00:35.240 And our hot new primetime show,

00:00:37.060 David Pollack Primetime. David

00:00:38.960 Pollack, the man that comes after the Matt

00:00:40.940 Gates show at 9, so I am officially

00:00:43.180 the warm-up act for David Pollack Primetime.

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00:01:48.540 Pearson Sharp is now what you would call an entertainer.

00:01:51.060 He is an investigative journalist and a great one.

00:01:54.540 But, Pearson, here's where I want to get your take on something.

00:01:57.440 David and I were kicking around.

00:01:58.540 You know, we're well into this primary season. We got a general election in November, which is like less than 100 days away. At what point do we have to stop the circular firing squad and say, okay, you know, we're mad at John Thune, we're mad at Mitch McConnell or whatever's left of him, but we're going into contrast mode with the Democrats.

00:02:24.300 Do you think there's ever a time, you know, in that window before the election where you've got to have that kind of a sharpened focus or no, this is a movement that needs constant policing.

00:02:37.980 This is a party that can and often is led by the wrong people and taking criticism of your fellow Republicans takes no days off.

00:02:49.000 Where do you where do you stand on this?

00:02:50.400 it's so tough to make a call on that because we have to defeat the democrats and that means voting

00:02:57.180 for republicans but that means voting for republicans who by and large act like democrats

00:03:02.840 and that's not really a great place to leave the american voter i mean we voted for mass

00:03:11.220 deportations we voted for a better economy we voted for all these things and these republicans

00:03:16.300 that we have in office are hamstringing us left and right or it's the judges you know one or the

00:03:20.540 other but we don't have a lot of people where we can look at and be like i love what he's doing

00:03:26.100 you know we've got one brandon gill that's it you know mike lee's been doing mike lee's great

00:03:32.720 yes on the rick scott in the senate is is regularly so we've got like four or five there's

00:03:38.840 a group there's a group who are okay bobert uh i would say scott perry i mean there there are

00:03:43.420 people who are fighting but they are fighting against a town that has everything pointed at

00:03:48.740 them yeah and so what are we supposed to do as voters i mean no no but i'm not asking you as a

00:03:54.380 voter i'm asking you as a commentator right because what what david and i are noticing

00:03:58.700 is that there's just so much online now of kind of the right on right political attacks uh and

00:04:06.700 we're starting to say gosh there there has to be some moment where we pivot this to the democrats

00:04:11.220 And they're not in power. They don't have a masthead for us to identify. And so like you as a commentator, does your criticism of Republicans hit an amethyst period before an election? And if so, how long is that period? That's what I want to know from you. And David's going to take the other side.

00:04:31.260 i think we're in a really rough spot and this i'm kind of going to repeat myself a little bit

00:04:39.540 but i think these republicans need to be beaten into shape and so your criticism of republicans

00:04:45.540 takes no days off well it really can't matt because otherwise you end up with traitors

00:04:52.340 in office you vote for people who you think are going to do the job right and they stab you in

00:04:56.640 the back with democrats you know what you're getting you're getting someone who hates america

00:05:01.080 every single time. But with a Republican, you have someone who stands up there like Cornyn and says

00:05:05.540 they're, you know, all the right things and they get in and they just screw you left, right and

00:05:09.900 center. So we have to do something that scares these people. Thank you, John Cornyn, for voting

00:05:15.840 to confirm Todd Blanche. We're very grateful to Senator Cornyn for his support. Yeah, I was

00:05:20.740 watching that today and, you know, just his whole shenanigan throughout this entire confirmation

00:05:26.420 process just like you want to know why you got primary john cornyn this is why you got primary

00:05:31.380 because you do stuff like this you know you put the voters through things like this he finally

00:05:35.500 went along with it but man he drug us through it and the rest of them are doing the same thing and

00:05:39.520 so that's why i feel like we need to just beat these people until we have an entire congress

00:05:43.880 full of brandon gills we are going to get david's take on this uh and but i'm going to offer you a

00:05:49.320 couple a couple of vignettes here i want you to know how conscious i was of what i was standing

00:05:56.020 in the way of when I moved to vacate Kevin McCarthy as House Speaker. Had Donald Trump

00:06:01.960 been the president at that time, as frustrated as I was with McCarthy, I wouldn't have done it.

00:06:07.440 Because you have to know where you are in the wave. And if people were going to criticize me

00:06:13.620 for gumming up the Congress for a few weeks, well, at least we were slowing the passage of

00:06:19.700 Build Back Better and Biden's infrastructure bill. Those weren't things I was really all

00:06:23.980 that eager to get to in the first place so this is an election that is coming up that we do have

00:06:30.000 to be concerned about brandon gill by the way had to like you you look at the ones you like

00:06:34.380 and we're gonna love brandon herrera out of texas we're gonna love uh steve toth the guy who beat

00:06:40.360 crenshaw these guys these guys are terrific and there are a few others sheriff lamb's gonna be

00:06:43.820 all sheriff lamb outstanding so there are going to be some that we really like but when brandon

00:06:48.740 gill ran he was going through the interviews that your consultants make you go through to talk about

00:06:53.020 who you are and why you're running and he sits down in front of this one group and they said

00:06:56.060 what member of congress do you emulate do you want to be like and he said well i want to be

00:07:00.380 like matt gates and he walked out and that group alone spent a million dollars again against him

00:07:07.080 because he had identified me and so we obviously like tripled down and uh helped him i want to

00:07:14.440 hear your take but like this is you're the insider you have you have that unique political acumen to

00:07:21.660 play 4D chess and see where the

00:07:23.760 pieces are ahead of time. I don't have

00:07:25.780 that. You're a scalpel. I'm like a 0.82

00:07:27.600 sledgehammer. I'm blunt.

00:07:30.160 I just want to break things and

00:07:31.520 have them come back together fixed.

00:07:33.760 You see ahead of it, and I don't.

00:07:35.440 When I look at these people who are just screwing up,

00:07:38.220 I'm like, let's freaking fix

00:07:39.760 it. Let's get these people out of there

00:07:41.700 and fix it. Okay, well, sitting next to you is the

00:07:43.580 Swiss Army Knife. So David Pollock,

00:07:45.900 lay it out for us.

00:07:48.700 Pearson says we take

00:07:49.640 no days off. I'm guessing you're going to say

00:07:52.360 There comes a moment, but let us have it.

00:07:55.120 This is so complicated, but out of respect for the other people who are going to want to talk on this podcast, I'll break it down as simply as I can.

00:08:04.840 I think people are very confused on why America loves Donald Trump.

00:08:10.180 And that's really at the heart of all of this because the reason why we love Donald Trump, at least personally, and a lot of people that I know love Donald Trump,

00:08:18.300 is because he came down an escalator

00:08:20.920 and said the different things

00:08:22.460 that our political establishment said.

00:08:24.280 He didn't sound like a Polish politician.

00:08:26.260 He stood on the debate stage 0.80

00:08:27.420 and he pointed fingers at the Bushes 0.95

00:08:29.140 and he pointed fingers, you know,

00:08:30.600 at the Chris Christie's of the world

00:08:31.660 and said, we're not doing this again.

00:08:33.480 We're not taking power from one party

00:08:35.720 and giving it back to the other.

00:08:36.640 We're taking power from all of you people

00:08:38.040 and we're giving it back to the American people.

00:08:40.740 President Trump came to power

00:08:42.540 at a very difficult time in America

00:08:44.020 where we had Barack Obama

00:08:45.140 who convinced everyone to vote for him

00:08:47.180 because he was gonna heal the historical wounds of racism

00:08:49.840 and instead lit the country on fire, reignited racist wounds.

00:08:54.260 He didn't do anything to bring our country together.

00:08:55.980 And in fact, he was the first step

00:08:57.500 towards socialism legitimately.

00:08:59.180 And so the country coming out of Barack Obama

00:09:01.880 was already tearing itself apart.

00:09:04.060 The fake news was in full swing.

00:09:06.120 Donald Trump rose to the occasion, existed for the moment.

00:09:10.040 And that's why he won,

00:09:11.300 because he was willing to call attention to an open border.

00:09:13.400 He said he wanted to build a wall.

00:09:14.720 He was willing to call attention to the political class,

00:09:17.020 that didn't do anything for the American people.

00:09:18.880 And the only way Donald Trump was gonna be able

00:09:20.680 to be effective was by being Donald Trump.

00:09:22.680 And what that means is a wrecking ball.

00:09:25.180 He's gonna call it out.

00:09:26.460 He's going to be himself.

00:09:27.700 He's going to say what he thinks

00:09:29.380 and he's not gonna apologize for it.

00:09:30.960 And that for me as a lifelong Republican

00:09:32.800 who voted for boring Republicans my whole life,

00:09:36.040 to hear that, I'll admit the first time

00:09:37.820 when I heard Donald Trump speak, I'm like,

00:09:38.820 woo, that's not gonna last very long.

00:09:40.960 He's done after this.

00:09:41.940 And then I saw the next debate.

00:09:42.880 I'm like, oh, there's no way he's gonna survive this.

00:09:45.040 And then he stayed in the center of the stage

00:09:46.860 debate after debate, and I realized something. I said, oh, wait a minute. This is the Republican

00:09:51.140 we've been hoping for our entire lives. He makes me actually want to be Republican.

00:09:55.660 Yeah, but that's not Pearson's criticism. His criticism is not of Trump. His criticism is of

00:10:01.080 the lack of juice that we may be getting because of a lack of Republican effort in the Congress.

00:10:07.560 But that's the pivot. And the pivot is this. Since Donald Trump surprised the world because

00:10:12.220 everyone was packing Hillary Clinton's bags for her to go back to the White House, Republicans

00:10:16.660 have tried to emulate what the media created of Donald Trump.

00:10:20.300 They've tried to emulate the media-created version of Donald Trump, not the version that

00:10:24.400 you know it exists because you know him personally, not the version that people who know Donald

00:10:27.880 Trump personally knows how giving he is, how much he values people who oppose him, how

00:10:33.660 much he enjoys people disagreeing in front of him.

00:10:36.380 And instead, the media created this monster who was totalitarian and unwilling to listen

00:10:40.240 to anybody.

00:10:40.560 And as a result, the people who wanted to help Donald Trump became the version of Donald Trump that was created in the media.

00:10:47.980 And as a result, we have a lot of attacking, bulldog-minded type people who attack each other.

00:10:53.320 And so to bring this thing full circle, what we're dealing with now in 2024 or 2026, I'm sorry, is you have people who really want to honor Donald Trump and act like the version of Donald Trump that the media created.

00:11:05.640 But they're missing the most important part of Donald Trump.

00:11:08.440 And that's the guy who's willing to attack, but then when the door is closed, make a deal.

00:11:14.140 We're only seeing the attacking side of Donald Trump being emulated, not the deal-making side.

00:11:18.880 And the point is, there's no tolerance for disagreement in MAGA.

00:11:22.100 If you disagree with one thing in MAGA, you're not MAGA.

00:11:25.880 When Donald Trump thrives on people disagreeing with one another.

00:11:29.100 He was attacking Jeanine Pirro today, but I promise you, they're going to go have dinner together and she's going to do great stuff and he's going to compliment her later.

00:11:35.340 We shouldn't hang her out to dry just because Donald Trump is upset.

00:11:38.440 And we shouldn't hang each other out to dry.

00:11:40.140 So to answer your question with respect to what Pearson's saying is there is a time to turn it off.

00:11:45.880 And it's okay to disagree.

00:11:47.520 But this purity test of MAGA where we either agree on everything or you're out of the movement is what's destroying the movement.

00:11:53.700 And so, yes, the time to turn it off is three months ago.

00:11:56.320 The time to turn it on as a base is now.

00:11:58.860 And we need to rise up and beat the Democratic Socialists.

00:12:01.420 So you think we're already in the window?

00:12:02.980 We're past it.

00:12:04.200 Oh, wow.

00:12:04.700 Democratic Socialists are winning across this country.

00:12:06.920 not because they're beating Republicans

00:12:10.600 it's because they're beating other Democrats

00:12:12.880 and the reason they're beating other Democrats

00:12:14.360 is because our messaging is so all over the place

00:12:17.440 that people don't know the difference anymore

00:12:19.480 and they're being drawn to the Democratic Socialists

00:12:21.600 because they sound like we're supposed to

00:12:23.040 so instead of us tearing each other apart

00:12:24.820 we should be providing an alternative message

00:12:27.360 that doesn't make the Democratic Socialists seem attractive

00:12:29.800 which is what's happening right now

00:12:31.220 the Democratic Socialists sound like

00:12:33.380 what we wanted in Donald Trump

00:12:34.680 We're doing what we wanted them to do, what we elected them to do.

00:12:37.160 We wouldn't have people looking for alternatives.

00:12:39.340 But on that, though, what do we want them to do?

00:12:42.040 What do we expect them to do?

00:12:43.600 Fix the economy and the border.

00:12:44.860 Who do we expect to do that?

00:12:47.040 And Pearson would like his enemies prosecuted.

00:12:49.000 And I agree.

00:12:50.220 We all know what that is.

00:12:51.580 The problem is we have 48.

00:12:52.640 I'm in favor of firing squads.

00:12:54.020 Utah brought that back.

00:12:55.180 We have 48 senators right now that are willing to pass the Save America Act.

00:12:58.160 48.

00:12:58.880 49 if we can wind up McConnell and shove him out.

00:13:01.900 I was about to say, what are you counting Mitch McConnell?

00:13:03.400 Right. So we have 48 Republicans. 48, that's a lot. And we crap on the Senate. But 48 of them are willing to do the work. We have a very narrow majority in the House, and they've been able to pass the Save America Act six times. So Republicans are actually delivering. We're just not telling the story.

00:13:17.460 I worry that the number of times the Republicans have passed the Save America Act in the House right now feels a lot like how often they were willing to vote to repeal Obamacare before it was real.

00:13:30.260 There's a certain mentality when you know something is a show vote and not a lawmaking exercise.

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00:14:51.040 Here's my answer.

00:14:53.520 After primary season, we are right there at the end of it.

00:14:57.000 Florida's got one of the late primaries.

00:14:58.680 We're going to have that governor's race wrapped up.

00:15:00.940 Byron Donalds will win.

00:15:01.880 I think it'll be a great thing for the state.

00:15:03.280 uh and we will then need to put this to bed and in september and october we have to go after the

00:15:11.680 democrats and there will be plenty of time thereafter to rub each other's noses in our

00:15:16.940 shortcomings and failures but they are the fact that they are nominating democratic socialists

00:15:22.700 probably means that we have to beat them in general elections and if we do there is

00:15:28.940 a demoralization of our base that can occur if we subject our own supporters to a never-ending list

00:15:36.340 of purity tests and i i totally agree with it and you know right now there's a lot of foreign policy

00:15:40.820 in the news so that gets the attention but you know here's another one okay and it's on our list

00:15:46.320 to discuss today it's this push for farm worker amnesty and it is being led by dozens of republicans

00:15:53.960 who are saying what we really need is to create a sanctuary space on every farm in America.

00:16:02.320 And my assessment of this is that you are going to have every NGO in the world automatically become a farm.

00:16:12.420 And they will be able to rack and stack illegals in this country of every type.

00:16:16.760 Can you imagine that, Pearson? The U.S.-Pakistan Friendship Council having their farm to bring in whoever and whatever they want to be able to bring in and they don't have to worry about ICE showing up.

00:16:33.020 You know, there's a part of me that wants to just have the Republicans who sponsored this bill on my program and excoriate them and blow torch them with facts about how amnesty fails.

00:16:48.500 And I only get to do that for, I guess, another few weeks.

00:16:51.300 But what's your take on the Republican push for farmworker amnesty, Pearson Sharp?

00:16:56.440 I mean, I did a program on this last week.

00:16:59.360 we can't pass the save act, but we can give amnesty to illegals. And I know one's in the

00:17:07.300 Senate and one's in the house, but you know how it works. This is, this is, you know, the GOP

00:17:11.720 writ large, their goal is lip service to saving America and then sneaking in things like this,

00:17:20.140 the amnesty bill. Glenn Thompson of Pennsylvania. Um, and by the way, this thing is being passed

00:17:29.160 with massive support from Big Ag.

00:17:32.160 Oh, yeah.

00:17:32.580 The U.S. Bureau of Commerce.

00:17:35.060 Massive support.

00:17:36.740 And so these same companies

00:17:39.020 that are hugely in favor of this

00:17:41.060 donated $550,000 to Glenn Thompson,

00:17:45.300 to his campaign.

00:17:47.140 And he's supporting their push

00:17:49.020 for having some cheap labor on their farms now.

00:17:51.780 So this is the kind of thing

00:17:53.140 where I feel like we've got to destroy

00:17:54.980 these establishment holdovers.

00:17:57.380 And there's not going to be a perfect world where the Congress, you know, everybody in Congress looks like me.

00:18:02.880 Like, that's never going to happen.

00:18:04.080 We're never going to have a Congress that conservative.

00:18:06.180 Not that many people that believe what you believe would not assemble for lawmaking activities.

00:18:12.360 That would be a, I believe a posse is the correct word.

00:18:17.000 Can you imagine how epic that would be, how much stuff we'd get done in one day?

00:18:20.600 You'd break some stuff, too.

00:18:22.100 That needs to be broken.

00:18:23.660 The system is broken.

00:18:25.540 But, yeah, so the fact that you just see where their priorities are on stuff like this, it just makes you sick to your stomach.

00:18:32.460 Okay, David, so until we have a legislative body full of Pearson Sharps, how do we deal with the fact that this might have the votes to pass?

00:18:39.860 If you look at these Republicans, you've had the Democrats.

00:18:42.500 The House is a majoritarian body.

00:18:44.200 I mean, look, the job of a representative is to represent their constituents' needs.

00:18:49.560 And representatives from these farming communities, they rely on the labor.

00:18:52.420 and there isn't people who are willing to fill these jobs immediately.

00:18:57.000 Now, I'm not suggesting we have any sort of amnesty.

00:18:58.820 That's ridiculous. 0.54

00:18:59.420 Well, hold on. 0.99

00:19:00.080 I didn't make my point to say it's ridiculous or not. 0.88

00:19:02.260 But that's the reality.

00:19:03.300 If you own a farm and you're like, well, there goes all my labor, guess what happens?

00:19:07.900 Produce prices go up.

00:19:08.980 And if produce prices go up, inflation goes up.

00:19:10.860 And if inflation goes up, people start to say Trump isn't making good on his promises in the economy.

00:19:15.360 And then the Fed goes, well, we can't drop interest rates.

00:19:17.680 Everything has a down-the-river effect, which inevitably hurts us in the midterms and could hurt us in the White House in 28.

00:19:23.920 So we have to be cognizant of all the decisions we're making from principle and see what the downstream effects are.

00:19:29.500 Now, that being said, I'm never in favor of amnesty because if we have amnesty, what you do is you encourage people to break the laws knowing that there are certain sectors.

00:19:36.400 Oh, I can cross the border illegally. If I go to Iowa and get on a farm, I'm good.

00:19:39.980 So what we need to do—

00:19:40.940 So do you consider this amnesty?

00:19:42.200 I would consider it amnesty.

00:19:43.440 You would not vote for this?

00:19:44.620 No, but I would come up with a – this is what we don't do is these counter-proposals and get support for them. 0.58

00:19:49.040 You need to fast-track visas to re-enter the country.

00:19:51.840 So leave if you're here legally, and then you come right back to the front of the line with your agricultural exemption, and you can actually get a fast-track visa if you're not a terrorist.

00:19:59.280 Yeah, but while they're here, they just try to get married and have an anchor beat.

00:20:01.640 Well, we don't – well, talk to the Supreme Court about that one.

00:20:04.160 Yeah, but that's the battle space we're in. 0.99

00:20:06.480 No, I think everybody is here illegally should be deported immediately. 1.00

00:20:09.560 That is my – there is no gray area on this. 1.00

00:20:12.460 If you're not lawfully present in the country, you need to turn around and leave because you're not allowed to be here.

00:20:17.320 And for some reason, America is the only country where you're allowed to violate our sovereignty and just hang out until we do something about it.

00:20:23.540 So as I distill the Pollack position, he would not vote for the Glenn Thompson-supported legislation.

00:20:30.600 However, he would not, like, excoriate those people and throw them off their committees and challenge them in primaries.

00:20:38.980 Well, I see where you're coming from.

00:20:40.020 a view that he thinks is a rational view even though it's not a view he holds so i could tell

00:20:44.860 your blood pressure is at like 210 over over 110 i mean look both of my families my mother's side

00:20:50.580 and my father's side we're from imperial valley in california is the largest agricultural center

00:20:55.260 in the western hemisphere and you shake your family tree hard enough a few sombreros will

00:20:59.520 fall out no i've traced it we've gone back to 1500 okay yeah we're we're corrected uh english

00:21:05.660 and it's Swiss-Italian and some Scottish in there.

00:21:08.960 But in any case.

00:21:11.120 Swiss?

00:21:11.900 Swiss-Italian, yeah.

00:21:13.240 On the Italian side of the Swiss border. 0.99

00:21:15.480 Must have been the Mussolini side. 1.00

00:21:18.260 There are some good points. 0.96

00:21:20.020 No, I'm just kidding.

00:21:22.520 No, but both of my families were major farming families 1.00

00:21:26.780 and we didn't hire illegals. 1.00

00:21:29.220 You don't need illegals to work in your fields. 1.00

00:21:31.020 You don't need. 1.00

00:21:31.540 Who do you hire? 1.00

00:21:33.620 Americans. 0.99

00:21:34.680 White people will work in these jobs.

00:21:36.860 Okay, because, listen, what I hear is that that is just not a thing.

00:21:43.020 Like, are you telling me?

00:21:44.220 My dad was out in the fields farming for, like, 20 years.

00:21:47.780 Are you telling me, Pearson, if you and I start driving around the agricultural communities of Southern California,

00:21:54.100 we'll be able to go out onto the fields and we will find white people? 1.00

00:21:57.760 No, but this is because that's what we've allowed to happen. 0.96

00:22:00.260 It ain't the Mayflower Union out there.

00:22:02.260 No, it's not, but this is what we've allowed to happen. 0.96

00:22:04.400 We've created the situation where these fields are dominated by illegals and by migrants and stuff. 0.98

00:22:11.580 Our government. 0.99

00:22:12.380 Right, so how do we fix it?

00:22:14.540 We get them all out of here.

00:22:16.020 Well, right, but what do you do?

00:22:17.340 The government has incentivized these programs by basically telling people that used to work on the farms

00:22:24.400 that, no, you're going to find different jobs because we have ways to do it cheaper. 0.85

00:22:27.940 The argument that we can't find American citizens to do jobs that we have illegals doing is insane. 0.88

00:22:34.160 We can't find American citizens to work at restaurants. 0.88

00:22:37.180 We can't find American citizens to work indoors.

00:22:40.280 You go to Sweden, you go to Iceland, you go to any of these northern European countries.

00:22:44.560 They have Europeans working in the field.

00:22:46.560 But what is the GDP?

00:22:48.940 What is the agriculture GDP of those countries?

00:22:51.900 I don't know off the top of my head.

00:22:53.440 What I'm telling you is the United States has a vast need for labor.

00:22:57.320 You can expand on this concept from the bottom up.

00:23:00.680 You have to start cleaning it out, though.

00:23:01.940 You can't start making exceptions and passing rules.

00:23:04.680 I said we need to deport anybody who's illegal, but what we need to do is create an avenue for people who want to do labor to help actually feed our citizens.

00:23:13.200 We need to have that labor available to us.

00:23:14.940 Now, I'm not saying it's illegal labor, but you have to have the way for people to come do the work.

00:23:19.300 Because what do you need to shut down all the farms in America?

00:23:20.980 My concern is we have created such a social welfare state in this country where there are certain jobs that no Americans will do because you can do nothing in America and still have basic needs met.

00:23:36.320 And if people can do nothing – I mean, Pearson, people get on disability in this country just for being fat.

00:23:41.780 Oh, I know.

00:23:42.300 People get on disability because they're fat and then they sit home and order Uber Eats.

00:23:47.500 And so you're telling me that guy is just like, you know, ready to go out and cut off the welfare.

00:23:53.300 Well, that is what we tried to do in the first Biden reconciliation bill.

00:23:58.740 This was the source of a bit, a big conflict between me and Kevin McCarthy, because I said, look, I hate this debt limit thing that you say we have to expand.

00:24:07.500 but if I could get work requirements on welfare I would hold my nose and vote for the debt limit

00:24:13.920 because of the theory we just have teased out that until you have that you actually can't do

00:24:21.220 a lot of the other stuff without the downstream consequences that David's talking about and then

00:24:26.180 of course from McCarthy we got you know a handful of howdy and a mouthful of much obliged we were

00:24:30.120 told that there were work requirements but then when you went and read them they went and expanded

00:24:34.220 eligibility for some of these social services that actually made them larger after the work

00:24:39.380 requirements not smaller which defeated the purpose but i i think this is our next big

00:24:46.360 you know 80 20 issue i think most americans can look around in their neighborhoods the families

00:24:54.100 that are in school with their kids and say a bunch of these people don't do anything and have a bunch

00:25:00.620 of bogus federal dollars hitting their bank account every month and people are going to say

00:25:06.260 you know what you should have to actually have a little skin in the game and i i don't believe

00:25:11.260 that a work requirement should only be met with a job i think you could meet a work requirement

00:25:15.780 through volunteer work right if the answer is i can't get a job go volunteer at the local park

00:25:20.640 go volunteer for a non-profit people are always looking for for extra help there's a bigger issue

00:25:26.040 here too that we have to explore as well with respect to agriculture and we tell you this a lot

00:25:30.940 food security is national security our ability to feed ourselves is what protects us from places 0.96

00:25:36.220 like china who's buying up our farmlands for what reason right to develop them so we can't feed 0.92

00:25:40.100 ourselves anymore we've created and i'm not saying they're not smart for us to do but we've created 0.72

00:25:45.200 agreements with other countries to buy their produce right and so our farmers are constantly

00:25:52.300 having to be subsidized by the federal government to be able to stay in a business because if you

00:25:56.020 you go to a farmer's market, you're going to buy a tomato that costs twice as much as the tomato

00:25:59.680 brought in from South America or Central America because of the agreements we have with trade. And

00:26:04.160 we can't cut those off either because there's economic leverage that we use and we have to

00:26:07.600 help those countries. There's so many issues at play. But at the end of the day, the most important

00:26:11.980 thing is that Americans can be fed. But you can't, if you put in these draconian sort of,

00:26:18.000 we can't have this labor, we must do this. The prices of produce and farm goods in America will

00:26:23.300 cost either the consumer more money or the taxpayers more money to subsidize the farms 0.99

00:26:27.540 or wipe them out completely and china will buy them like if we have less illegal aliens in the 0.53

00:26:33.660 united states oh my god the tomato that i buy that was grown in mexico isn't going to be

00:26:39.280 fundamentally different in price right but uh that farm that american farm eventually becomes

00:26:45.340 a subdivision and then your point about national security is the right one you know what i think

00:26:48.840 ultimately solves this debate i'm so excited when we get our merriweather farm shipments in

00:26:54.040 you get a beautiful piece of ribeye look at that marbling now i take it out of the package let it

00:26:59.860 get down to room temperature all i've got on here is a little salt a little pepper and then a little

00:27:04.400 avocado oil and then i've had my pan preheating with a little oil

00:27:08.280 head to meriweatherfarms.com and enter promo code matt g for 15 off your first order

00:27:20.660 automation and robotics i think at the end of the day needing a bunch of manual labor to go do this

00:27:27.340 will be uh will be just alleviated because we'll have drones that'll be out there picking it yeah

00:27:32.960 Then what, Pearson?

00:27:33.940 There was actually a story.

00:27:35.480 We'll be fighting against the drones.

00:27:36.440 What happens?

00:27:37.280 Hold on.

00:27:37.840 Before we go on, I've got to get to this Europe story because I'm obsessed with it.

00:27:41.940 But this is going to pass the House.

00:27:45.240 They're going to get a discharge petition and pass this farm worker amnesty bill.

00:27:48.340 And then the slow, gummed up, arcane process of the Senate that you rail on every week on this program is going to be what saves us from this farm worker amnesty.

00:28:00.720 You think so?

00:28:01.960 Yes.

00:28:02.140 Or it could be leverage.

00:28:02.960 That will tie your emotions into knots.

00:28:05.780 God, let's hope it's not leveraged, because then it'll get done.

00:28:07.480 But go ahead.

00:28:07.840 I was going to say, this could, you know, talking about food security and all that,

00:28:10.380 just ties into the Mom Donnie grocery store topic.

00:28:12.700 Oh, yes, yes, yes.

00:28:13.760 And that goes right into that. 0.58

00:28:14.900 Yes.

00:28:15.200 So my favorite part of the story is that he's requiring an ID.

00:28:19.360 Yeah.

00:28:19.780 Yeah.

00:28:20.300 Isn't that amazing?

00:28:21.100 Oh, it is so rich.

00:28:22.520 A library card-like ID.

00:28:24.060 That's the way it was described.

00:28:25.000 It was like a library card. 1.00

00:28:25.860 Matt, how are married women going to eat? 1.00

00:28:31.200 Oh, what happened? 1.00

00:28:32.140 What if they're a success?

00:28:34.020 Do you think there's any chance these grocery stores are a success?

00:28:37.060 No.

00:28:37.740 No.

00:28:39.040 I saw a crazy video of, it was on Twitter, 1.00

00:28:43.440 this black lady was showing up to one of those free food banks, 0.95

00:28:47.180 and she went around the city going to the free food banks 1.00

00:28:49.640 and just collected thousands of dollars worth of food.

00:28:52.140 I'm sure most of it got wasted.

00:28:53.700 But, like, that's what happens.

00:28:56.620 And I was reading about this going back.

00:28:58.600 Pearson has found the scourge on our system,

00:29:00.460 and are just people showing up at food banks?

00:29:02.880 Well, abuse, it's fraud.

00:29:04.060 Okay.

00:29:04.420 It's fraud.

00:29:05.040 Okay.

00:29:06.400 Like my dad always says,

00:29:08.460 you know, when he was a kid,

00:29:09.220 they didn't have welfare

00:29:09.960 and he doesn't remember anybody

00:29:11.320 sitting in the streets dying from not eating.

00:29:13.500 You know, it didn't happen.

00:29:14.460 You found a way to eat.

00:29:15.800 You worked.

00:29:16.480 You made your money.

00:29:18.600 But interestingly,

00:29:20.620 this goes back to,

00:29:21.940 we have an example of how these stores work.

00:29:24.160 Obviously the Soviet Union, 1.00

00:29:26.020 you know, that was a disaster.

00:29:27.960 They did government run grocery stores there

00:29:29.680 and they just collapsed.

00:29:30.360 because the government couldn't figure out

00:29:31.680 how to manage the supply and demand side of it.

00:29:34.260 But we have a more recent example in Venezuela.

00:29:38.000 It was called Mercal,

00:29:39.620 and it quickly became one of Chavez's

00:29:41.340 most popular social programs.

00:29:43.240 The gap between Mercal's subsidized prices

00:29:44.980 and prices at the grocery stores

00:29:46.080 created an obvious resale opportunity,

00:29:48.740 which is where the voter ID comes in,

00:29:50.420 the grocery store ID.

00:29:51.820 So there were complaints of diverted goods,

00:29:53.980 fictitious purchases,

00:29:55.380 store clerks allowing their friends and relatives

00:29:57.120 to jump in line,

00:29:58.000 and corruption in procurement and distribution.

00:30:00.380 Hauling food across the border to resell at market prices in Colombia became a booming industry.

00:30:05.800 Black market reselling even spawned a new profession, bachacheo.

00:30:09.260 I don't know how I'm saying that right.

00:30:10.820 Anyway, lastly, the government responded to the shortages with tighter controls.

00:30:14.520 It capped purchases, assigned shoppers a weekday based on the final digit of their national ID number,

00:30:22.080 and registered sales by ID and fingerprint.

00:30:25.080 Some stores required shoppers to bring a baby

00:30:28.480 or present a birth certificate before they could buy diapers.

00:30:32.560 So that's what happens with these stores.

00:30:35.620 And this is obviously, it's going to undercut private grocery stores.

00:30:39.180 They can't compete.

00:30:40.480 And the end game with all of this is that

00:30:42.960 the government is going to be in charge of feeding people.

00:30:45.760 And if you do things the government doesn't like, you don't get to eat.

00:30:48.840 That's it.

00:30:49.220 The social credit score layer on top of this is what's next.

00:30:52.060 What are you following on the Momdani grocery store story?

00:30:54.660 Well, there's a few things, but it's been tried in the United States as well, even in places like Florida.

00:30:58.920 And it's failed every single time they've tried to set up these community grocery stores because the model just doesn't work.

00:31:03.640 I mean, you can't who's going to pay for it.

00:31:05.820 And then after who's going to pay for you, undercut the local vendor.

00:31:08.600 It just doesn't work.

00:31:09.360 So is that how this dies?

00:31:10.700 Like a bunch of picketing local bodega shop owners outside?

00:31:14.300 No, it dies when there's nothing on the shelves and people stop coming.

00:31:17.340 So the way it works is, you know, you have to get the stuff from somewhere.

00:31:21.640 Right.

00:31:21.840 And this is the enemy of any socialist is the free market.

00:31:27.380 And wherever they're getting the food from, they're going to be selling it to almost their competitors.

00:31:30.860 And eventually they're going to say, if you want us to buy from you, you can't sell it at a discount.

00:31:34.000 It's just like if you ever go to buy something online, you'll see the same price at walmart.com, at homedepot.com and on Amazon.

00:31:40.000 Why are they the same price?

00:31:40.880 They're allowed to – some wiggle room in the sales, but there's a price setting structure built in from the wholesaler because nobody who's competing against wants to get undercut on a special pricing.

00:31:51.340 or they're not going to sell the good because it's not fair to them.

00:31:53.940 The same thing is going to happen with the grocery stores and the vendors.

00:31:55.960 So where are you going to get the food from?

00:31:57.320 Well, sure, maybe you can have people donate the food.

00:31:59.880 Maybe grocery stores who have food that's getting ready to expire

00:32:02.620 that they're going to throw away, sure, put those in the community grocery stores.

00:32:05.360 And then maybe offset the cost of doing business with a reduced price

00:32:10.020 for those expiring goods.

00:32:11.660 That would make perfect sense.

00:32:13.200 But the idea that you're going to create a government-subsidized grocery store

00:32:16.220 to compete with fresh produce and fresh products at a 30% discount,

00:32:19.860 It's not sustainable because, one, you'll run out of other people's money, which we're learning in New York happens very quickly.

00:32:24.620 But, two, the suppliers are not going to go along with it either because they're going to want to keep making money off the people actually paying them to stock their shelves.

00:32:32.700 So guess who doesn't get the freshest stuff?

00:32:34.900 It's the community-run grocery stores.

00:32:36.180 And guess what?

00:32:36.540 Nobody's going to want to shop there.

00:32:37.460 So they can take their food stamps and go to the Publix's of the world and actually buy fresh stuff versus going to the dumps of the community.

00:32:44.880 anything the government takes over is always

00:32:47.520 a subpar quality

00:32:49.680 right and people are going to learn that nobody's going to go to the stores

00:32:51.880 they took over sand tomorrow we run out of

00:32:53.900 sand I mean this is going to be like the

00:32:55.680 DMV experience

00:32:56.660 and it's going to grow too because

00:32:59.280 this is like a vicious cycle

00:33:01.160 this is going to put out this is going to put

00:33:03.160 local stores out of business private stores

00:33:05.660 out of business which means they're going to need to be replaced

00:33:07.860 with more government run stores

00:33:09.300 which is going to put out more stores out of business

00:33:11.460 so you think it will spread

00:33:13.040 Because what Pollock seems to suggest is that this thing crushes under its own weight.

00:33:17.960 And at the same point, the bodega across the street and the government-run grocery store are getting their foodstuffs from the same distributors.

00:33:26.640 And at the end of the day, that's what crushes it.

00:33:29.860 But what you seem to be saying is, oh, no, this thing could metastasize.

00:33:33.300 It could metastasize.

00:33:34.440 And, I mean, communism, socialism should have been crushed.

00:33:38.520 But instead, it's growing.

00:33:40.300 So I think they're going to double down on these failed policies.

00:33:43.140 I mean, New York was $12 billion in debt when he took over, and the state bailed them out.

00:33:47.480 It's like they're going to keep getting fuel for these fires they're creating.

00:33:51.420 And what's also incredible is that 10% to 15%, which is like $900 million of New York's food stamp budget, is wasted on fraud every single year.

00:34:03.000 No way.

00:34:03.280 Like almost a billion dollars is wasted on fraud every single year.

00:34:05.860 I'm sure that's a low number, too.

00:34:07.420 So, of course, this is going to be abused.

00:34:09.560 These communists take no account of human nature when they come up with these grand ideas.

00:34:14.100 We will be a bulwark against communism and socialism on this network and on this program.

00:34:20.680 But I've seen the way Congress acts.

00:34:22.720 They print money. 0.88

00:34:23.720 They spend money.

00:34:24.880 It crushes the dollar.

00:34:26.300 You end up feeling it at the pump, the grocery store.

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00:35:28.180 And let's not forget that you need two forms of ID, government ID, to get paid to shovel snow in New York.

00:35:33.880 Yeah.

00:35:34.420 What?

00:35:35.180 Yeah.

00:35:35.620 Two forms of ID.

00:35:37.520 So they don't have the illegals shoveling the snow?

00:35:39.960 Well, they get IDs in New York. 0.62

00:35:41.760 The place where I've been watching the invasion this past week is in Europe.

00:35:49.960 And, I mean, we have seen scene after scene of tens of thousands of African migrants swarming Spanish towns. 0.99

00:36:01.220 What are you following in this, David? 0.98

00:36:03.940 give us kind of the Pollock diagnosis here? Oh, man. I mean, you couldn't have scripted it any

00:36:09.320 better. Now, I know the conspiracy is out there. I'll stay away from those for a moment. Okay.

00:36:12.740 Because I'm sure we're going to get into them. But I think the practical reality from it is it

00:36:20.140 showed how having a soft border and then government policies and then court rulings that back up those

00:36:25.800 government policies that leave your door open encourages mass migration. Now, why the timing

00:36:30.360 of it and why there were so many in two different locations? Because it wasn't just Suta. There was

00:36:33.600 another place where they were also storming the border and then what happened when they got there

00:36:37.040 some of them left some of them stayed and there's some you know there's some more i want to talk

00:36:42.520 about with that but as soon as they started getting there started breaking in the homes

00:36:45.820 immediately they started stabbing locals like they weren't there to be like oh cool a better

00:36:50.740 life and the really interesting part is that's a springboard to the rest of europe because of

00:36:54.100 these policies so look what happened immediately these open borders that they've been fighting

00:36:57.980 like the the eastern european countries have been fighting against the ones in the european union

00:37:01.860 like poland paying a fine to not accept these migrants all these other countries like wait a

00:37:06.820 second i don't know who these people are and now they have a right to come to our country we're 0.99

00:37:10.060 not going to allow it spain you need to firm up your border but the interesting part about all 0.96

00:37:13.260 this is the people that were coming across what they say like 80 000 double the size of the

00:37:19.140 population it was still less than the people that were coming over on a daily basis when joe biden

00:37:24.440 was president that was coming across our own southern border and they were distributed throughout

00:37:28.420 our country. And so I do want to talk

00:37:30.440 about Suta because it talks about

00:37:32.520 so many fundamental examples of how

00:37:34.460 people are changing their position on things based on

00:37:36.340 how shocking it was to see this many people

00:37:38.360 come over. But what you have to do is put

00:37:40.440 yourself in our shoes and understand

00:37:42.320 that that's how shocking it was in the United

00:37:44.480 States on a daily basis.

00:37:46.460 And all of these people, the people that are stabbing

00:37:48.560 people in Spain, the people that are breaking

00:37:50.320 into homes, they're still doing that here.

00:37:52.720 And then you have liberals on the street and

00:37:54.280 Democrat politicians saying, no, no, no, no, don't get

00:37:56.340 them out. But yet in Europe, they're coming

00:37:58.240 to their senses and saying get rid of these people immediately that shows you how backwards

00:38:02.140 this this anti-deportation strategy is but suta is such a perfect example of hey if we just trickle

00:38:08.080 people in nobody's gonna say anything but then they took advantage of it and then you couldn't

00:38:11.700 be ignored anymore and now the common sense principles that donald trump is trying to

00:38:15.420 institute here now all of a sudden europe's a fan of so i kind of love are they getting it in spain

00:38:19.640 i think they are i i the left is well the people are getting trench there does the government get

00:38:24.460 is the question the socialist government do they care what their people think and the problem with

00:38:28.520 all these socialist places and we see it in california a lot of times the people really

00:38:32.180 object to the policies but surprise surprise the elections don't go the way the people want them

00:38:36.520 to and the socialist government does what they want anyway that's the question and i i i must

00:38:40.680 confess i know very little about how election integrity works in spain or portugal or france

00:38:46.420 but uh i i if this is part of the design you have to wonder whether they've they've gone past the

00:38:53.340 point of no return i mean and and what really gets me about the story pearson is uh how fast

00:39:00.320 everything just comes unglued yeah like the spanish empires carved out countries in the

00:39:06.720 in the americas they they they like overwhelmed the mayans and the incas and a global empire

00:39:15.640 they ran the seas and you do like two decades of open borders and it's just kind of over for them

00:39:22.240 It's the same with the UK, same with Britain.

00:39:24.060 We had a global empire and look what's happening. 1.00

00:39:27.160 Overrun with migrants. 1.00

00:39:28.120 They're rolling out the welcome mat. 1.00

00:39:29.700 Yeah, yeah, 30 years, 30 years.

00:39:32.860 And it's just, you can destroy an entire country.

00:39:35.040 And that's because you have a clash of civilizations.

00:39:38.200 You have a competing civilization moving in.

00:39:40.660 That's what people don't understand. 0.99

00:39:41.740 They just see migrants coming over

00:39:43.020 and they think they want a better life.

00:39:46.140 That's not how this works.

00:39:47.600 Like people don't understand history.

00:39:49.380 in in it was like 711 the the islamic invasion of spain started and they came up from morocco

00:39:59.180 and started taking over the country and you had 780 years of muslim occupation in spain and this

00:40:07.640 was brutal for the christians at the time they were treated like third-class citizens slaves 0.93

00:40:11.240 you know thank god we had charles martel who i was like 732 who he stopped them coming into france

00:40:16.460 And we started pushing back on that. And finally you had Ferdinand and Annabelle of Castile. I forget, it was Ferdinand anyway.

00:40:25.740 Isabelle.

00:40:26.660 Isabelle. And they finally took it back. But you had hundreds of years of brutal conquest. And this is what happens. It's a civilizational conflict.

00:40:38.680 It's not just people running over the border and, you know, you see thousands of people on TV and that's it.

00:40:43.360 This is a massive issue that has global consequences and people don't get that.

00:40:48.700 They just, you have this suicidal empathy.

00:40:50.860 But what do you assess as the likely outcome?

00:40:52.100 Because I, David and I have a disagreement on this, I think.

00:40:55.320 David's like, no, man, these people are waking up.

00:40:57.560 It's going to be, Europe's going to follow the United States.

00:41:00.080 We had these problems. 0.86

00:41:00.840 We woke up.

00:41:01.440 We put Trump back in office.

00:41:03.080 That's the trajectory they're on.

00:41:04.460 i take the view that they may be past the point of cultural reclamation and that you know joy in

00:41:13.440 saying that it's it's the old country right but how much of this can these little towns sustain

00:41:19.080 like those people are never going back right so how do you think it ends for a country like spain

00:41:24.900 well for europe because it's the same question for europe it's everywhere and the united states

00:41:29.460 well you know you got places like poland hungary that are yeah but you've got donald tusk in poland 0.99

00:41:33.600 who's doing a lot of really stupid stuff 0.99

00:41:35.820 and kind of leaning towards opening the borders 1.00

00:41:38.060 for these people. 1.00

00:41:39.560 It'll be over then.

00:41:40.520 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:41.140 It'll be a little Syria. 0.99

00:41:42.300 Well, just like Hungary.

00:41:43.420 They lost their election

00:41:44.480 and now they've got a progressive socialist in there

00:41:46.380 who's going to open the borders for them.

00:41:49.400 It either ends,

00:41:50.480 it literally comes down to us or them, Matt.

00:41:54.160 It's going to be,

00:41:55.360 we fight back and we take it

00:41:56.800 or we lose everything.

00:41:58.380 Fight back.

00:41:59.980 Fight back.

00:42:00.820 And you're up there welcoming it.

00:42:02.380 Well, no. 1.00

00:42:02.780 I mean, you have people in Ireland who are like burning down the migrant housing, which was their housing first.

00:42:07.960 So you have you have a population that is massively fighting against this.

00:42:12.440 Do you think this ends in a violent statement or do you think there's a political solution? 0.98

00:42:15.060 Look, but but you also have the politicians and and just a retarded group of people who are coming out like the Muslims who attacked in Germany, who attacked that gay pride event in Germany. 0.99

00:42:24.880 And you had that lady get up and say, well, I was really hoping that it would be a right wing white person, Christian. 0.99

00:42:31.880 you know we shouldn't talk about the fact that it was a muslim like that was literally her quote

00:42:35.960 i've never heard you defend a gay pride parade so enthusiastic this is insane though but this is

00:42:41.620 ham track ham track michigan the first muslim majority city in america 2015 and they just got 0.95

00:42:48.580 in trouble it's like this year uh they made the headlines for pissing off all the liberals because 1.00

00:42:52.960 they banned the gay pride celebrations and the flags and stuff like this is what muslims do so 0.99

00:42:57.360 maybe there is an upside to muslim occupation but honestly this is what's going to happen 1.00

00:43:01.680 And this is what we're fighting against. 0.99

00:43:02.780 It's civilizational.

00:43:04.460 So is there a political solution, David?

00:43:07.440 I agree with you with respect to is it possible for the European governments to actually do anything about it?

00:43:16.040 I think – and you see this in the United States and you see this in Europe.

00:43:19.520 I don't think – and you see this in California.

00:43:22.640 And I take California as a perfect example because we all saw everybody seem to really rally around Spencer Pratt.

00:43:28.240 And then we saw election night.

00:43:29.780 It seemed like he was going to win.

00:43:30.940 And then in the month that followed, some socialist in Nitya Raman all of a sudden overtook him.

00:43:35.600 And now we haven't heard from her since, right?

00:43:37.200 You assume the election was fair.

00:43:38.860 But no, it might not have been. I don't know, right?

00:43:41.540 Because they've made it so impossible to prove.

00:43:43.980 But what I'm saying is the people are certainly sick of it.

00:43:47.500 And the examples you cited with the riots and people burning homes and attacking migrants, which I don't think you could just – one group is not the same as another.

00:43:55.240 That is the problem that comes in.

00:43:56.760 People get very frustrated, and sometimes you have unintended victims.

00:43:59.740 But I think the people are frustrated.

00:44:01.920 The question is, do they have enough control over their governments to actually convince their governments to do anything about it?

00:44:09.200 And then it gets down to the philosophical question of who's in charge of these governments?

00:44:13.200 Is it the people or is it the governments have become so large and so bureaucratic and so insulated that they actually don't have to listen to the people anymore?

00:44:20.620 Look what they did to Marine Le Pen.

00:44:21.780 But that's the question, right?

00:44:23.260 So is Europe too far gone?

00:44:25.820 Potentially.

00:44:26.260 But if Europe is too far gone and people have a disagreement with the government, they feel like they have no power, it could end violently.

00:44:32.280 We've seen that in the United States in 1775, right?

00:44:35.340 I mean, this is what happens as people go, okay, well, then you're not my government anymore.

00:44:39.980 Here's the thing.

00:44:40.460 If Europe responds to Pearson's call on this podcast and rise up in some intensified conflict, I'm not entirely sure today that our side wins.

00:44:53.760 We still have the majority.

00:44:55.020 You are not as enthusiastic.

00:44:56.320 All right, I got to get to this final story before we check out this week.

00:45:01.200 So much of Washington is built around what you can sell.

00:45:06.140 You know, not even what's good for people, but like, could we get away with selling it?

00:45:10.700 And you succeed at that a certain number of times, and it builds up a certain amount of hubris.

00:45:16.300 I think the max of that hubris was when the Democratic Party sold us Joe Biden as like a competent, functioning president, when the reality was that that was not the case.

00:45:31.800 Are we going through this moment right now with Mitch McConnell on our side?

00:45:36.440 Are we going through a moment where people have successfully sold so much for so long that they can literally sell us on the notion that Mitch McConnell is a senator today?

00:45:49.480 How are you covering this on your show, David?

00:45:52.620 Again, I try not to play in the realm of conspiracy.

00:45:56.200 But in this instance.

00:45:58.420 Why not?

00:45:59.120 All these conspiracies have been true.

00:46:00.400 I know.

00:46:00.840 In this instance, I'll say two things.

00:46:02.580 One, I don't think it's our Joe Biden moment because I don't think enough Republicans are willing to pretend that we think he's competent.

00:46:08.900 So I think the Democrats were like, oh, no, Joe Biden's fine.

00:46:11.600 Let's just get him in.

00:46:12.360 So I don't think we're doing that because I haven't met a Republican who's like, oh, yeah, Mitch McConnell's good other than the ones who speak to him for 20 minutes.

00:46:18.440 So, no, I don't make that comparison.

00:46:20.260 But I will say this.

00:46:21.940 When proof of life is the standard, right, when holding a newspaper, he's alive, OK?

00:46:29.140 That's good enough.

00:46:30.000 When proof of life is all that's necessary to remain a senator, I think we have a serious problem.

00:46:36.800 And I don't care if he can speak, if he can't speak, if he can stand, if he can't stand.

00:46:41.380 I think that when you have to have him hold the newspaper to prove that he's alive, it, one, makes me question what we should be doing if that's him.

00:46:49.280 But, two, is he alive?

00:46:50.780 Because I've never held a paper to prove something before unless it's not true.

00:46:55.880 So I don't know.

00:46:57.020 I think whenever the deadline occurs, when you can have an election to replace him, I think at that moment we'll find out the truth.

00:47:04.500 But these 20-minute phone calls and these random, like, appearances, I don't know, man.

00:47:08.860 This is one of the weirdest stories of 2026.

00:47:10.840 Pearson Sharp, you are an investigative journalist.

00:47:13.360 Do you know when you are being lied to?

00:47:15.940 I mean, when you see their mouths moving, you're being lied to.

00:47:19.500 His mouth isn't moving.

00:47:20.620 Pretty easy litmus test.

00:47:22.560 Pollack makes the point that we should have a higher standard for the United States Senate.

00:47:26.200 than can you fog a mirror?

00:47:28.180 Not even, can you prove that you could fog a mirror?

00:47:30.560 Potentially.

00:47:32.740 We've covered this topic a couple of times

00:47:34.760 and I'm still in the same position.

00:47:38.080 This is not what we elected them for.

00:47:39.680 If you're not capable or competent, get out.

00:47:41.840 And I understand that they think they're kings and queens

00:47:44.400 and that they're in these positions for life,

00:47:46.160 whether we want them or not.

00:47:48.380 I just looked up on my phone.

00:47:49.700 I couldn't remember her name.

00:47:51.520 Representative Kay Granger.

00:47:52.920 Yes.

00:47:53.720 Yeah.

00:47:54.140 Yes, RIP. 1.00

00:47:55.440 She passed.

00:47:56.200 recently but you spent the last three months in a nursing home while chairing the appropriations

00:48:01.100 committee yeah so like we don't have competent leaders like i my heart goes out to you for your

00:48:08.340 for your health conditions that's a separate issue you are meant to lead our country and if you can't

00:48:16.420 do that get out like plain and simple you said it before i'm being selfish i should be selfish

00:48:20.820 we need strong people leading our country i don't know what else how does it end does it end just

00:48:25.720 with us like what pollack believes is some a deadline of political significance will pass

00:48:32.360 and then we'll just get like a quiet statement from the family on like terrible news yeah

00:48:36.980 shocking shocking and surprising news about the condition of mitch mcconnell is that is that where

00:48:43.200 we go and then like to me it's bigger than like oh you know mitch's vote or do we have it or do

00:48:48.280 we not on a given day to me it's more like once they can believe that they can convince you

00:48:54.020 that someone is functioning

00:48:56.080 and they're like not even

00:48:57.860 they might not even be alive

00:48:59.380 they might not be functioning

00:49:00.400 who knows right

00:49:01.140 but

00:49:01.860 they really then think

00:49:04.780 that that is

00:49:05.500 is something they could

00:49:06.320 drive a truck through

00:49:07.040 well you know what's interesting

00:49:07.960 is what he represents

00:49:08.900 because remember before

00:49:10.100 he went to the hospital

00:49:10.960 this latest time

00:49:11.660 for whatever reason

00:49:12.400 arguably not

00:49:13.920 in having CPR

00:49:15.320 and unconscious

00:49:15.880 remember they would just

00:49:17.360 wheel him around

00:49:18.020 in a wheelchair

00:49:18.660 like from thing to thing

00:49:19.860 and he was like kinda

00:49:20.480 he wasn't even there

00:49:21.700 and I'm watching them

00:49:23.060 wheel the wheelchair

00:49:23.880 around. I'm like, what are they wheeling around?

00:49:25.860 And it really talks about Washington power

00:49:27.820 because what they're preserving there, as long as

00:49:29.840 he has a pulse, all of the deals,

00:49:32.080 all of the promises, whatever his staff

00:49:34.060 has decided is important to

00:49:35.920 him is what they're wheeling him into. 0.98

00:49:37.740 What he represents, what's sitting in that wheelchair 0.98

00:49:39.720 isn't a representative

00:49:41.220 of Kentucky.

00:49:43.580 It's a representative of everything that's broken in Washington,

00:49:46.040 the special interests, the donors.

00:49:47.840 That's what's being wheeled around. The promises

00:49:49.660 that he has to keep before he's allowed to leave

00:49:51.780 in November, that's what they're wheeling around.

00:49:53.560 and that's what they're pretending is still alive

00:49:55.480 with the newspaper as proof of life.

00:49:57.040 Every politician of significance with power

00:49:59.820 ultimately becomes an enterprise.

00:50:01.480 Correct.

00:50:02.120 That's what they're wheeling around.

00:50:03.600 The business.

00:50:04.220 And it's the enterprise.

00:50:06.240 I want to end on a positive note,

00:50:07.480 or at least something...

00:50:07.960 Whoa!

00:50:09.300 Whoa!

00:50:10.500 The AI robot has taken over.

00:50:12.800 Peterson Sharp wants to end on a positive note.

00:50:14.960 I do.

00:50:15.540 I mean, we've got so much doom and gloom these days.

00:50:17.760 I'll be still in my heart.

00:50:18.880 Positive and personal.

00:50:21.000 You know, we cover a lot of news

00:50:22.020 and we talk about a lot of other stuff,

00:50:23.200 But I think part of the fun, you know, watching these is seeing the people behind it.

00:50:27.200 And we never talk about what we're doing or, you know, what's going on in our lives.

00:50:31.200 And I'm curious, Matt Gaetz, what do you do for fun?

00:50:35.840 What is a fun weekend for Matt Gaetz?

00:50:38.100 What are your hobbies?

00:50:39.200 What do you like to do?

00:50:40.380 I am a birder and a fisherman.

00:50:44.080 You're a birder.

00:50:45.060 Yes, I love to bird watch.

00:50:47.320 You've gotten to that age.

00:50:48.660 I was at that age at like 12.

00:50:50.460 uh but uh yeah i bird watch and i i uh i do love to fish what's the most interesting bird you've

00:50:57.220 seen in san diego uh well i i saw an incredible uh brown pelican migration they move up and down

00:51:06.380 uh you know from san diego down to baja mexico just sometimes by the thousands like and when

00:51:12.460 the sky's filled with brown pelicans that was incredible also there are like some herring gulls

00:51:17.880 that have a nest across from where Ginger and I run a place here.

00:51:24.280 And so I've been able to watch herring gulls grow up

00:51:26.760 and get fed by their parents.

00:51:29.000 They have terrific parents.

00:51:29.940 That's awesome.

00:51:30.700 How about you, Pearson?

00:51:31.400 That's really cool.

00:51:31.980 What do you do for fun?

00:51:33.740 I'm really into cars.

00:51:35.360 I went to a car show at Rancho Santa Fe this past weekend with my girls,

00:51:38.220 trying to get them to be gearheads.

00:51:40.560 Playing computer games when I get the chance, which is not very often.

00:51:44.580 And just general nerdy stuff, reading books.

00:51:47.880 Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings,

00:51:50.080 you know, that kind of stuff.

00:51:52.200 Escapism.

00:51:53.120 Yeah, tell him stories.

00:51:54.380 Every day bringing all of you the news

00:51:58.100 and then he escapes in Lord of the Rings.

00:52:00.040 Yeah, nice.

00:52:01.120 Paul, what are your guilty pleasures?

00:52:03.560 You're not going to believe it.

00:52:05.300 I do this for fun.

00:52:07.240 Like, this is my fun.

00:52:08.720 I worked as a boring lawyer.

00:52:10.060 What do you do for work?

00:52:11.140 Blame.

00:52:11.580 I don't work.

00:52:13.120 I know it's cliche and they say,

00:52:15.640 if you do what you love,

00:52:16.300 you never work a day in your life.

00:52:17.180 I worked for 17 years as a lawyer in government, the most boring, thankless job.

00:52:21.960 It was service in some respects.

00:52:23.900 And now I get to do this.

00:52:25.420 This is fun for me.

00:52:26.440 I enjoy coming to work every day.

00:52:28.000 And so when I go home, though, I do spend a lot of time with my family because that's the most important thing to me.

00:52:33.400 And so I work really hard here because I love it.

00:52:35.240 And then I go home, and we like to be on the water.

00:52:37.080 So, you know, we'll go on paddle boards and do whatever.

00:52:39.100 But no, I do what I love every day.

00:52:41.120 This is fun.

00:52:42.080 I mean, if it's not fun, I wouldn't be doing it.

00:52:43.600 So this is what I do for fun.

00:52:44.520 A true Florida man enjoys a little time on the water.

00:52:46.660 Yeah.

00:52:46.860 Awesome. Well, thanks so much for hanging out this hour. We'll be back next week. Make sure to give us a five-star rating or a follow. Leave us a comment. Let us know what you'd like us to discuss on the next episode of Anchorman.

The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - August 06, 2026

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