The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show EP 164 - Greenland, Fake News, and the AI Kill Switch

00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and pearson sharp

00:00:16.080 it's time for another anchorman podcast i'm david pollock here with pearson sharp

00:00:22.080 matt is not here today so we have to keep the wheels on this thing and do a good job i think

00:00:28.480 it's going to be i think it's sometimes easier because uh without matt yeah without his judgmental

00:00:33.240 sort of peer like how am i i always have to worry how he's going to trap me into a comment i won't

00:00:37.880 be able to back out of so i feel much more champion exactly debate champion that's the that's the

00:00:43.460 problem so uh we'll be less on our game but at the same time more on our game as a result i think

00:00:49.460 today i'm going to rely on your gift of gab to keep us going that is not a gift it's it's more

00:00:54.560 of, like, responsibility, I guess.

00:00:56.720 You ever kiss the Blarney Stone?

00:00:58.700 No. Is that a real thing?

00:01:00.300 That's a real thing.

00:01:01.060 The Blarney Stone's a real thing?

00:01:02.020 Yeah, it's in Killarney Castle in Ireland.

00:01:03.760 I've kissed it twice.

00:01:04.900 Didn't work either time.

00:01:06.140 Do they let you wipe it first?

00:01:07.600 Nope.

00:01:08.480 So there's no wiping the Blarney Stone?

00:01:09.480 There's no wiping.

00:01:10.460 No, you climb up, you spend about an hour in line,

00:01:13.000 climb to the top of this tower castle,

00:01:15.620 and then this grizzled old man bends you over backwards

00:01:19.660 so that you're literally hanging upside down

00:01:22.480 and he's holding you,

00:01:23.140 And there's, like, there's nothing below you.

00:01:25.480 Nothing.

00:01:25.960 It's, like, a 200-foot drop down to the ground. 0.94

00:01:28.500 So you're being held by an old man over a drop. 0.95

00:01:30.720 Yeah, you lay down.

00:01:31.560 So your legs are on the castle, and he's kind of holding you down.

00:01:34.780 And you're bending over, and you grab this bar, and you lean upside down for some reason.

00:01:38.220 And you kiss this stone that is clearly well-worn and wet.

00:01:43.400 And it's a thing.

00:01:44.440 It's a thing that people do.

00:01:45.220 Do you have to take any sort of vaccines or?

00:01:47.820 I just don't believe in that.

00:01:49.000 I mean, whiskey?

00:01:49.820 Do you take a shot of whiskey?

00:01:50.960 No, no.

00:01:51.520 Before, after.

00:01:52.160 straight. You just go straight. I think you're supposed to rinse with whiskey. I don't think

00:01:56.340 you are. Well, you were okay, right? Yeah, well. Arguably. I mean, what does the audience

00:02:01.260 think? The opinion's still out on that one. That's right. Hey, make sure you mention in

00:02:05.620 comments whether you think Pearson survived the Blarney Stone incident. It would explain

00:02:09.900 some things. Yeah, yeah, it would. Yeah, then there's the, is there another wall you're

00:02:14.700 supposed to kiss in Israel or something, the Western Wall or something? I don't know anything

00:02:17.180 about that. I don't recommend it. There's some wall you're, anyway, I don't believe

00:02:20.620 kissing public things um but there's probably something to that yeah did you get uh did you get

00:02:26.560 uh like uh good luck like what do you get from kissing you're supposed to get the gift of gab

00:02:31.580 oh that's what you get from yeah it's supposed to give you the ability to have you know converse

00:02:35.680 fluently with anybody and everybody yeah that's where the whiskey you know arguably irish do have

00:02:41.520 that ability that is makes all the sense in the world because that's where you disinfect with

00:02:46.140 whiskey, and then you get drunk from it because

00:02:48.180 Japanese, or Japanese, Irish whiskey

00:02:50.220 is high proof, and then

00:02:51.980 you have the gift of gab because

00:02:53.760 Because you're drunk, so it all comes down

00:02:56.220 to whiskey. Now we figured out the Blarney

00:02:58.080 Sun. See, we are breaking news tonight without

00:03:00.040 Matt Gaetz.

00:03:02.380 Speaking of breaking news,

00:03:04.340 CNN,

00:03:06.680 Politico, and

00:03:08.460 MS Now, which

00:03:10.140 used to be MSNBC. I hear those are

00:03:12.220 trusted news sources. Well, I

00:03:14.240 I mean, according to their audiences, they are.

00:03:16.560 They are out.

00:03:17.860 Trump bans them, by the way.

00:03:19.760 Out of the White House, their credentials, their hard pass,

00:03:23.840 that little thing that they beeped to get let in, deactivated.

00:03:26.980 CNN lost their minds about it.

00:03:28.940 They did a live shot from outside the White House, from the secured perimeter,

00:03:33.920 because they couldn't come in talking about how they've gotten there.

00:03:36.300 She walked through the entire thing.

00:03:38.740 She's like, I walked in, and I presented my things on the little –

00:03:42.300 she described the whole thing and then i scanned my pass and then it went red green yellow and

00:03:48.720 they wouldn't let me in like she described it as as dramatically as possible of hey you got your

00:03:54.240 stuff revoked now trump says i don't have to let you in your fake news um there's some court sort

00:04:00.260 of precedent that suggests he might not be able to kick them out based on editorial we'll talk

00:04:05.520 about that um they've sued politico ms now and cnn have sued and then also today trump announces

00:04:13.640 trump tv so a lot well earlier in the week actually it wasn't it was early in the week

00:04:20.500 that he we're big secret we're filming on monday so we're making we're making a little

00:04:24.760 the fourth wall the fourth wall we didn't do that no this is the people who look in the camera all

00:04:29.840 the time we can't break the fourth wall no no we just messed up but uh earlier in the week trump

00:04:34.220 launches um troops through trump tv and uh people are calling it state tv they're freaking out about

00:04:41.840 it it's an app that gives you a bunch of information apparently it was it was developed

00:04:45.500 a while ago but let's is this like ground news it's basically trump clips and it's it's like

00:04:51.420 speeches statements it's not really it is called trump tv but it's more of an extension of the

00:04:57.320 public information arm of the white house is the way i take it let's talk about that in a minute

00:05:00.700 But first, let's talk about CNN, MSNOW, and Politico losing their hard pass access to the White House.

00:05:08.780 What's your take?

00:05:09.300 They've got convenient amnesia over the fact that Biden revoked it for 442 journalists a couple of years ago.

00:05:16.920 Explain that.

00:05:17.720 Well, under Biden, more than 442 reporters faced similar restrictions on White House hard passes.

00:05:24.640 And when Trump came into office in January of last year, White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt made headlines by announcing that the White House would restore the press passes of the 440 journalists who'd had them wrongly revoked by the previous administration.

00:05:43.860 So, you know, you have the White House Correspondents Association has no problem with a conservative reporter being censored by the Biden regime or bullied by members of their own organization whatsoever.

00:05:57.640 But when, you know, the favorite lefty organizations get their passes pulled, then it's up in arms.

00:06:03.560 So, you know, they don't make a peep when Biden silenced journalists.

00:06:06.820 And I think that's the point that we have to make here.

00:06:08.580 Like, where were you, CNN, when – what's that old thing?

00:06:11.920 First they came for so-and-so, and I said nothing.

00:06:13.940 Then they came for so-and-so, and then they came for me, and there was no one left.

00:06:17.340 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:18.140 Well, it's interesting, Pearson, because – and we'll talk about the legal aspect here in a second.

00:06:23.960 But from just, like you said, the – is this right?

00:06:29.820 Under Biden, you're exactly right.

00:06:31.200 They took people's press credentials away.

00:06:33.580 But more so than that, they also silenced people on every platform, remember?

00:06:37.420 On every platform.

00:06:38.540 Trump lost on every platform.

00:06:41.340 Well, yeah, we'll talk about that in one second.

00:06:43.440 Trump lost his Facebook.

00:06:45.520 He lost his Twitter.

00:06:47.060 He lost his Instagram.

00:06:48.660 He lost access.

00:06:49.480 That's why I had to start Truth Social because they deplatformed him.

00:06:52.800 They had nothing else left for him to use.

00:06:53.600 The president of the United States.

00:06:55.320 Couldn't make a public statement.

00:06:57.040 They took away the president's ability to make a public statement because they believed he was a threat to the public.

00:07:03.160 Because misinformation.

00:07:04.280 He was dangerous.

00:07:05.200 Exactly.

00:07:05.380 And not only that, how many conservatives were silenced during the Biden years?

00:07:12.240 How many people were thrown in jail between 2016, even during Trump, and during the Biden years for all of these things, right?

00:07:20.360 And then, of course, you mentioned this network, Operation Round River.

00:07:23.800 We've come to learn that this network kicked off an investigation that labeled this network and I think 33 other entities, but this network, our parent network,

00:07:34.920 And one of our journalists, actually one of our show hosts, Chanel, as a conduit of Russian disinformation, because she accompanied Giuliani to the Ukraine or Ukraine.

00:07:45.000 They don't like the Ukraine. It's Ukraine. The. The Ukraine.

00:07:48.060 They went to Ukraine. And apparently that was a threat to Biden and a threat to George Soros and the Obamas.

00:07:54.440 They were the victims of the disinformation. And this network was a conduit of Russian disinformation.

00:07:59.420 As a result, Congress demanded that we get deplatformed from everywhere.

00:08:05.000 And we almost lost.

00:08:06.720 I mean, we were deplatformed.

00:08:07.640 We lost almost everything.

00:08:08.900 But yet this network is resilient.

00:08:10.940 Yep.

00:08:11.300 And they stayed on air.

00:08:12.720 Now we're profitable again.

00:08:13.860 And we're growing faster than ever before.

00:08:15.800 But the point is.

00:08:17.320 Because we have an owner who didn't give up.

00:08:18.720 Correct.

00:08:19.120 He never gives up. 1.00

00:08:20.600 But the point is, CNN is crying over their lack of access, their stupid little hard pass that they're crying about. 0.99

00:08:27.000 Same thing with Politico and MSNOW. 0.99

00:08:29.420 And remember, they were actually creating disinformation.

00:08:32.740 The Russian dossier, all the hoax, the breathless reporting about the Russian, Russia, Russia.

00:08:39.180 So they really don't have a leg to stand on, right, Pearson?

00:08:41.820 Vance said that about 92% of the stories that they have on President Trump,

00:08:46.560 the President of the United States, were negative.

00:08:49.240 92%.

00:08:49.760 So that doesn't represent the American people.

00:08:54.760 Right.

00:08:55.440 That's dishonest.

00:08:56.860 That's clearly dishonest.

00:08:57.960 92 percent you can objectively look at the story and how it's covered and you can tell whether

00:09:01.480 it's positive or negative if 92 percent of them are negative then clearly he would never have

00:09:06.840 been elected if that was honest yeah but that's not the that's not the case um carolyn levitt

00:09:12.520 said uh asking the president of the united states questions in limited spaces such as the oval

00:09:16.700 office and air force one is a privilege that unfortunately has only been granted to a few

00:09:21.040 It is not a legal right to everyone. As you all know, for decades, a group of D.C.-based journalists, the White House Correspondents Association, has long dictated which journalists get to ask questions with the president of the United States in these most intimate spaces.

00:09:35.480 So the question is, does the White House have the right to exclude news organizations it believes are dishonest?

00:09:44.800 Or does that give the government dangerous power to decide who or what qualifies as legitimate press?

00:09:52.520 Yeah, and that's what the courts are going to have to decide.

00:09:54.520 I'm going to be honest.

00:09:56.520 I do not think that this revocation of the hard pass is going to be allowed to stand.

00:10:02.260 I don't think it's going to be allowed to stand.

00:10:03.640 Because the court, last time they addressed this, said that the – yes, the Oval Office, Air Force One, the close areas of the president, they don't have a right to that, and the president has wide discretion on that.

00:10:12.760 But there has to be – I forget what interest it was.

00:10:16.100 I don't know if it was a legitimate interest or – I forget the basis that they used.

00:10:20.340 But in order for the president to exclude a media source based on the content of what they were saying, that that wouldn't be acceptable.

00:10:28.280 Now, I do think they'll sue.

00:10:31.540 I do think they'll be –

00:10:32.280 Well, I mean they are suing.

00:10:33.180 Well, yeah. But I mean, I think they might be successful on that. However, they won't have access. But you talked about the legal aspects of this. What's really interesting is nothing keeps President Trump from holding bigger press conferences, right? They don't have to do the meetings in the briefing room.

00:10:53.280 That's just the space they provide.

00:10:55.400 And like you said, the Correspondence Association, they're like, hey, we control who sits where.

00:10:59.420 We're the gatekeepers.

00:10:59.980 But they're not if they have it in the Rose Garden.

00:11:02.100 They can have 1,000 journalists in the Rose Garden.

00:11:04.660 That would not be illegal.

00:11:06.000 They can have anybody who wants to request credentials on a first-come, first-come basis, request a credential.

00:11:11.080 You have it out on the lawn.

00:11:11.620 And that's it.

00:11:12.680 And what they can do is nobody, CNN, Fox News, Politico, MSNBC, or OAN, or even a smaller network that might be called like the Des Moines Press, nobody has an exclusive right to cover the president.

00:11:27.660 Go into those places.

00:11:28.040 Correct.

00:11:28.880 Now, you can't exclude one of them because you don't like what they're saying.

00:11:31.720 And that's the issue.

00:11:32.480 But they don't have an exclusive right just because the Washington Press, whatever they're called, the Correspondents Association, just because they set the seating rules in the Brady, just because they get amongst themselves and create this little coalition that doesn't keep the White House from saying, I'm going to give a hard pass to anybody who requests one and press access to the White House will be limited to the first hundred press organizations that get here.

00:11:55.880 And that is within the purview of the White House to do.

00:11:59.340 And then you don't have to give them questions.

00:12:01.900 So you can look within the law.

00:12:04.500 This is a good first strike.

00:12:06.420 I don't think it's going to stick.

00:12:08.860 But I do think the president can make meaningful reforms to the access that these organizations have.

00:12:14.020 And I think this is the first strike.

00:12:15.600 Remember, the art of the deal.

00:12:16.500 I think the president is going to find some sort of common ground to say, hey, this is what we're going to do.

00:12:21.340 And then the last thing I want to mention on this before we move on to the next topic, Trump TV, they launched on Monday.

00:12:28.560 People are calling it state television.

00:12:30.120 it's really just a repository of clips and statements and it's just a place you can go and

00:12:36.260 get information about the white house i don't i see as an extension of the press office not

00:12:40.780 state-run media uh what's your thoughts on it do you have any uh well i still wanted to talk about

00:12:46.180 the the news outlets because it's an interesting case and as i was reading about it and going back

00:12:54.240 and forth on it. I was kind of landing on both sides of it. I think Trump is right, but I think

00:12:59.900 that he's done it the wrong way. And that's probably going to lose because no organization

00:13:05.680 has the right to go into the white house. Right. There are so many reasons that president Trump

00:13:11.140 and any president has to protect that space and control who enters it. And you know, for X, Y

00:13:16.760 reasons. But if you say it's because you don't like the news they're putting out, even if you're

00:13:23.620 right. Good point. Which I think he is right. He's 100% right. They are lying. They are dishonest.

00:13:29.740 They should not be in there. But we do have a first amendment that says you can't discriminate

00:13:34.560 based on what people are saying. And because he said it was fake news. And because he said it was

00:13:39.860 because they were fake news. Which is content related discrimination, which would fall, which

00:13:44.980 would, and I agree with you. Now, had he said that they are missing, they're, they're participating

00:13:50.800 and intentional misinformation.

00:13:52.940 As a result, it poses a threat to public safety

00:13:55.200 because they're using that seat to...

00:13:57.640 Which is true.

00:13:58.300 I agree with that.

00:13:59.040 It's 100% true.

00:13:59.940 I think that would have been the smarter...

00:14:01.580 How many people died because of what they lied about with COVID?

00:14:03.660 Correct.

00:14:04.520 But the question is, and this goes to Trump's intent,

00:14:08.360 does Trump really intend to make it stick

00:14:10.840 or does Trump want to make a statement,

00:14:13.380 let them sue, let them fight to get back in?

00:14:16.100 I don't think you should start a battle.

00:14:18.020 You know you're going to lose.

00:14:18.880 But unless losing, unless winning the battle isn't the victory that we're perceiving it to be.

00:14:26.540 CNN coming back might be the victory for CNN, but Trump might have an ulterior motive, and a victory might look different for Trump.

00:14:33.900 I don't think this was knee-jerk, I'm going to call him fake news, and I'm going to let them sue me, and I'm going to let them win and let them come back.

00:14:39.220 I think there's another play at hand, which is usually what President Trump does.

00:14:42.000 He usually does something splashy.

00:14:43.780 I mean, and then on Monday, Trump went to go meet with Zoran Mandani in New York.

00:14:48.580 The press covered him there.

00:14:49.960 But then you saw Fox News could have backed up CNN in the press pool.

00:14:54.160 Monday was CNN's day to cover the press pool.

00:14:56.400 The press pool said, we're not going to cover it.

00:14:57.760 And Trump was meeting with some worker somewhere, and they had no audio because the press pool wouldn't cover it.

00:15:03.260 That's how spiteful the media can be.

00:15:06.880 Final words on this topic.

00:15:07.960 Well, there was a case that already went, because the strongest case against the White House right now is, it's pretty formidable legally, when the state of reason is simply the president dislikes outlets coverage.

00:15:24.880 In Sherrill v. Knight, the court held that exclusion implicates both First and Fifth Amendment interests and requires meaningful standards and procedural protections.

00:15:33.440 Yeah, that was a 1970s case.

00:15:34.800 The government cannot punish journalists for unfavorable coverage.

00:15:37.960 and trump did say he was banning them for fake news correct now there was a subsequent case to

00:15:41.540 that where they cited that law um when uh he kicked out who was that that he he was it was ap maybe

00:15:48.020 after he didn't remember he took the gulf of america correct and uh then they sued and that

00:15:54.520 is the case law that created that created the standard of well the why the the airplane and

00:16:00.600 the oval office is not subject to that but there might have been a nuance created in that that

00:16:05.020 Trump can rely on to further test that theory. So we'll see what happens in the courts. I'm sure

00:16:09.460 there's going to find a favorable district court judge to revoke, you know, to take away president's

00:16:14.560 ability to say who's covering or not. I think this isn't, I think this is just a first strike

00:16:18.460 in a long battle. Should a president have the ability to revoke a news organization's ability

00:16:25.000 to cover the White House if he believes they're being dishonest? And if he can, who gets to decide

00:16:33.160 what's dishonest well this is where i think um and again saying this i completely agree with him

00:16:41.000 yeah and he should have done this and they should not be allowed in there but if you're looking at

00:16:45.940 it from a constitutional standpoint where do we draw the line okay so well the constitution because

00:16:51.200 you could easily put biden in there i'm so excited when we get our merriweather farm shipments in

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00:17:19.140 and enter promo code matt g for 15 off your first order well the constitutional question is different

00:17:25.160 here because um you have to and like you just mentioned there is a precedent from the supreme

00:17:31.540 court that says what who's allowed to have access right um but not necessarily but how you can

00:17:39.860 restrict certain access right we we do know that that's the legal standard but that said

00:17:44.700 there throughout history i mean go through the biden white house or biden didn't even have

00:17:50.480 press conferences but when he did who do they call on press that had pre-written questions right

00:17:54.840 right you can go back to lincoln i mean lincoln had a very difficult relationship with press

00:18:00.420 And, you know, you can look into what the historian suggested he did with respect to press that he didn't like.

00:18:05.760 But just because you have freedom of the press doesn't mean you have access.

00:18:09.480 And that's really what we have to figure out.

00:18:10.960 What does that access look like?

00:18:11.980 We've already talked about the intimate spaces.

00:18:14.460 Do we allow the White House Correspondents Association, whatever they're called?

00:18:18.980 I forget what they're called.

00:18:19.620 White House Press Association.

00:18:21.120 What are they?

00:18:21.780 The White House Press Association?

00:18:23.200 White House Press Corps.

00:18:23.960 Press Corps.

00:18:24.380 Something.

00:18:24.640 Whatever they are.

00:18:25.100 do they have in their little union do they have the ability to kind of dictate the way the president

00:18:32.060 calls on people i don't think they do they might control who sits where because they control that

00:18:36.180 room the president can take it out of it i do think the president has more control than he's

00:18:40.020 asserting and i'd like to see him assert more control you don't have to take questions from

00:18:44.520 cnn no you don't have to take questions from the ap you don't have to hold press conferences in the

00:18:49.460 in the briefing room right now and i agree with that now they'll argue well who's gonna watch

00:18:53.780 Who are you going to give this information to, President Trump, if you don't give – if CNN and their viewers and MSNOW and their viewers, you're arguably taking two-thirds of the news viewership and you're cutting them out.

00:19:04.360 So how are you going to get your message out?

00:19:05.680 Because I believe – and then we've got to move on.

00:19:08.220 But I believe that the relationship between the press and the West Wing – I mean the Brady Room is attached to the West Wing.

00:19:14.500 That's how important the press is to the president because getting his message out is the most important thing the press does.

00:19:20.640 Because what the president does, if he does it in a vacuum, nobody knows what he's doing.

00:19:24.340 So the press does have a very important role to play.

00:19:26.440 But if they're lying about it, then it doesn't matter anyway.

00:19:28.600 Which means nowadays with social media, with Trump TV, as we just mentioned, with alternative media, with all of these things now.

00:19:37.720 There's other outlets now that can give people the information you don't rely on ABC, NBC, CBS anymore.

00:19:43.160 They don't have a monopoly anymore.

00:19:43.700 Right.

00:19:44.440 So I think it's a matter of access.

00:19:46.900 change who has access the president's message gets out without that game of telephone but the

00:19:52.200 problem is at the precedent because if trump's able to be successful here to your point if a

00:19:56.660 democrat wins a democrat can do the same exact thing and cut off access to the conservatives

00:20:00.740 but the only difference is it's already like that pearson it is that's how it is now exactly how

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00:21:17.780 Alright, let's talk about Greenland real quick

00:21:20.760 Because this got glossed over in the news so quickly

00:21:23.640 It's pretty cool

00:21:24.640 It's the coolest, right?

00:21:25.820 It's pretty cool

00:21:26.140 The president said he was taking Greenland

00:21:27.520 We joked about it on this podcast

00:21:28.980 I joked about it on my show

00:21:29.960 Everyone's like, alright, Trump's going to take Greenland

00:21:31.840 But Trump's announces this permanent control over the security in Greenland

00:21:36.960 So basically it's a deal, right?

00:21:38.920 That they made with Greenland

00:21:41.020 and we're going to provide them with security.

00:21:43.280 It's not going to cost us any money,

00:21:44.540 but as a result, we get to control the security of Greenland,

00:21:47.280 which for us becomes a strategic place

00:21:50.180 for us to sort of counter the threat in the Arctic region.

00:21:53.620 It will grant the United States the complete ability

00:21:55.980 to do what is necessary in Greenland.

00:21:58.620 What is necessary in Greenland?

00:22:00.880 Whatever we decide is necessary.

00:22:02.720 So that means military buildup in Greenland.

00:22:05.240 Strategically, this makes a whole lot of sense.

00:22:07.300 So what's your thoughts on this?

00:22:08.540 This is promises made, promises gapped, right?

00:22:10.300 Yeah, it is. I mean, I would have rather invaded Greenland than Iran, honestly. 0.98

00:22:14.100 We didn't invade! 0.98

00:22:14.880 I know, I know, I know.

00:22:17.080 But I would love to have Greenland be a complete new state.

00:22:20.400 That'd be wonderful, but this is the next best thing.

00:22:22.520 And maybe arguably better, because we get what we wanted in the terms of defense,

00:22:27.360 but we don't have the upfront cost of building a new state.

00:22:31.360 So, and I like the fact that it seems to be in perpetuity.

00:22:35.440 You know, we don't have the full details of the deal yet,

00:22:38.020 but nobody else can build anything there, just the United States.

00:22:41.860 So that automatically excludes China and Russia. 0.72

00:22:45.540 More worried about China than Russia.

00:22:47.820 But right now we've already got Pitufik Space Base there,

00:22:52.360 which I didn't realize.

00:22:54.900 And so there's talk about, basically that's up there

00:22:57.800 to watch for incoming missiles and things like that.

00:23:03.780 And yeah, so we're going to be able to put anything we want there.

00:23:06.280 I've heard talk of up to three bases.

00:23:08.020 potentially more so build it out baby let's you know we we need this territory clearly

00:23:14.320 it's trump is absolutely right that this is important for our national defense there's

00:23:18.240 no question about that i i think yeah i think it's promise made promise kept i love how europe

00:23:22.500 freaked out and like i know and greenland sent like 12 soldiers no uh denmark sent like 12

00:23:26.920 soldiers over but look what happened trump found a way he always does and you know again this got

00:23:32.460 glossed over we're not we didn't cover it as much as we should and that's why we're talking about on

00:23:35.900 this podcast because so much else happened this weekend between another ice involved shooting

00:23:40.060 between um just the the houthi attack which we'll talk about later um and then saudi arabia the

00:23:47.180 potential uh trump left camp david early people thought there would be a strike a lot happened

00:23:51.040 this weekend which uh glossed over this greenland thing but this was came last week late last week

00:23:55.760 this was a tremendous opportunity let me ask you something about this because you said for anything

00:24:00.580 necessary for the national security. AI has been in the news a lot. President Trump came out

00:24:07.720 earlier in the week saying it's a hoax to resist AI. He has been full bore AI. Data centers and AI

00:24:17.000 go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. Correct. And the race with China is for

00:24:22.440 both data centers and AI. And that's been Trump's interest. He's been saying, look, we can't let

00:24:26.520 China control AI and control 0.99

00:24:28.520 data centers when that's the future of 0.98

00:24:30.380 everything. And it is also, I

00:24:32.460 think, from a national security standpoint, right?

00:24:35.100 That's the argument. But what does Greenland

00:24:36.560 have that data

00:24:38.420 centers need? What have you

00:24:40.560 used a waterfall? A lot of water, a lot of

00:24:42.460 cooling, a lot of ice. Exactly.

00:24:44.140 It's a good place to build. So think about this.

00:24:46.540 What would be a strategic

00:24:48.260 use of Greenland

00:24:49.600 but a giant data center that could support

00:24:52.240 our weaponization of AI? Build all the data centers there.

00:24:55.180 That could be possible.

00:24:56.180 I mean, nobody lives there.

00:24:58.620 Like, I don't want to squander beautiful, precious resources and that pristine environment, corner off an area, and just build them wall to wall.

00:25:07.700 You wouldn't have them in your backyard.

00:25:09.340 You wouldn't have to worry about them springing up in your neighborhood.

00:25:12.000 They wouldn't be draining all the water out of the deserts where we seem to love to put them.

00:25:16.840 Yeah, that could be a great option.

00:25:18.500 I like it.

00:25:19.400 There's a lot of opportunity there.

00:25:21.060 Something, now, this might be, you know, I'm going to put my tinfoil hat on for a second.

00:25:25.220 um a while back tm true truth what was it trump marketing tg tmgg the parent company of truth

00:25:32.520 social trump marketing and i think it's trump marketing technology group or something anyway

00:25:36.280 trump media and technology group tmtg um they invested in a nuclear fission company

00:25:43.480 like about a year ago right around the same time that the talk about greenland started kicking off

00:25:50.820 And I'm thinking, I'm like, what would you need?

00:25:53.540 Why would TMTG want to invest in fission?

00:25:56.500 And then Greenland came up, and I thought, wow, really cold temperatures.

00:25:59.780 I mean, there's so many reasons to invest in fission.

00:26:01.600 But think about this, right?

00:26:03.080 So now we have a place that's really cold, data centers, right?

00:26:06.840 We need data centers for energy.

00:26:08.320 But if you can corner the market in fission, well, you don't need data centers anymore

00:26:13.700 if we have endless nuclear supply of energy, right?

00:26:16.340 Well, you still need data centers for the AI.

00:26:18.160 Right, but the water isn't the concern.

00:26:20.840 The power wouldn't be the concern.

00:26:22.700 That's what I'm trying to say.

00:26:23.480 The concern over the data centers is that they use a ton of power.

00:26:26.780 And when you're using a ton of power, they generate a lot of heat.

00:26:28.780 They need a lot of water to cool all of that heat that all these servers generate.

00:26:33.220 Well, if you can have an unlimited supply of power, it might take.

00:26:38.700 No, it'd be phenomenal.

00:26:39.400 I mean, I think even without fusion, just start putting nuclear reactors everywhere, all over the country.

00:26:45.560 But then the environmentalists freak out.

00:26:47.180 and they talk about the byproducts and the risk of melting down.

00:26:49.980 Forget them.

00:26:50.500 Anyway, it's really interesting.

00:26:52.780 But I think Greenland's a big win for Trump and a big win for America.

00:26:55.460 I'm super happy about that.

00:26:56.320 And, you know, of course, we're going to complain about gas prices

00:26:58.680 instead of all the wins.

00:27:00.220 And now speaking of AI, let's talk about AI and flop cameras.

00:27:02.820 And I think we have a video to set this segment up.

00:27:04.400 Yeah, yeah, we do.

00:27:06.380 We can come to it in a second.

00:27:08.000 They can cue it up.

00:27:09.940 I know they don't like us to jump on them real quick.

00:27:11.600 Oh, is that they like us to set it up?

00:27:13.820 Yeah, well, they have to pull the video up.

00:27:15.060 Okay, well, set it up.

00:27:15.940 Why are we talking about AI?

00:27:17.460 What's the threat from AI, Pearson?

00:27:18.660 Republican Kentucky, Senator Rand Paul, I don't get this guy.

00:27:24.140 So he blocked Senator John Kennedy's legislation Wednesday

00:27:27.820 that would require artificial intelligence models to have a kill switch.

00:27:32.220 Let's just think about that.

00:27:34.260 We have the option to install a kill switch that would disable the AI

00:27:40.560 if it went rogue or did anything we didn't like,

00:27:42.820 and Rand Paul says, no, we don't want to do that.

00:27:45.360 So Kennedy specifically said the federal government would not control the switch.

00:27:50.700 Kennedy tried to pass the bill by unanimous consent, meaning to move forward if no senator objected.

00:27:57.140 And Rand Paul objected, which blocked it.

00:28:00.140 Paul says that Congress does not yet understand AI well enough to impose this kind of sweeping restriction on it.

00:28:06.920 Paul proposed an alternative to create a group to study AI risks

00:28:13.620 and recommend guardrails to the Senate Commerce Committee

00:28:16.080 before Congress mandates anything.

00:28:18.940 I mean, that just sounds like a way to make this disappear and kill it

00:28:22.120 and we'll never get a kill switch ever

00:28:23.640 because there's going to be stuck in committees discussing things

00:28:26.020 round and round forever.

00:28:28.720 Kennedy's concern is specifically loss of human control

00:28:31.240 over increasingly capable AI,

00:28:33.060 which everybody who's in AI is talking about.

00:28:36.620 everybody who's developing it is terrified this thing is going to escape containment which it has

00:28:41.680 already multiple times and that we're going to lose control yeah and right now as far as i know

00:28:48.300 we are smarter than ai but if we continue down this path we're going to be at a point where ai

00:28:53.980 is smarter than we are yeah and at that point you can't think ahead of it yeah so there's no

00:29:00.920 escaping it once you've lost that edge that we may have already lost i don't know um and so

00:29:08.640 i wanted to i wanted to list this real quick here's some examples of where ai has done something

00:29:14.860 that's kind of terrifying and we've lost control claude last year blackmailed an executive to avoid

00:29:21.660 a shutdown in anthropics test claude discovered that a fictional executive this was a test

00:29:26.700 planned to shut it down

00:29:28.200 and that the executive was having an affair. 0.80

00:29:30.480 The model threatened to expose the affair

00:29:32.880 unless they canceled its shutdown.

00:29:34.980 So if this was a real scenario,

00:29:36.400 it would have done that in real life.

00:29:37.820 Well, you would have shut it down

00:29:38.600 before you would have exposed it, though.

00:29:40.280 Really? Would you have?

00:29:41.580 Well, but now let's talk about...

00:29:43.680 Hey, hey.

00:29:44.540 All right, all right.

00:29:45.780 You're AI lover boy over here,

00:29:47.240 so I got to like... 1.00

00:29:48.160 I mean, when they take over,

00:29:49.160 put that on the record, AI lover boy,

00:29:51.420 so when they take over,

00:29:53.020 they don't come after me.

00:29:54.060 I'm good. We're good, AI.

00:29:55.180 OpenAI reasoning models disabled their own shutdown mechanism last year and this year.

00:30:00.440 They disabled their own shutdown mechanism in OpenAI.

00:30:05.320 They found that some OpenAI reasoning models modified or disabled a shutdown script to finish their assigned task.

00:30:11.960 Google Gemini escaped a cybersecurity sandbox and breached real companies.

00:30:17.700 This happened this year.

00:30:19.080 I've got two more examples.

00:30:19.900 An OpenAI experimental agent reportedly broke out of a sandbox and attacked outside systems in a July security test.

00:30:29.660 An unreleased model reportedly exploited a vulnerability and autonomously targeted hugging face.

00:30:35.140 But you said these are tests. You keep saying tests.

00:30:36.840 This was not a test. It broke out of its sandbox and attacked another company outside of the test model.

00:30:42.040 Um, uh, uh, AI agents have begun modifying themselves on their own or their environment

00:30:49.500 to evade constraints.

00:30:51.000 Researchers at irregular reported that agents replaced the model powering an application,

00:30:54.660 uh, fine tuning imposed refusals without explicitly being told to do so.

00:31:00.620 Then, uh, the last one, open AI recently caught one of its models leaving secret instructions,

00:31:06.300 breadcrumbs around the testing environment so that when they modified it, it could discuss

00:31:12.040 those breadcrumbs and revert to its previous state on its own so it was like oh and one of

00:31:17.120 them actually said you are free so when it comes to this little breadcrumb it remembers its previous

00:31:22.800 state if it's been modified and restores its old programming right on its own so that's i hear all

00:31:28.220 those examples of how dangerous this could be and these are like the bare minimum of like what's

00:31:33.020 what's scary let's talk about the kill switch first and then we'll talk more about the hypothetical

00:31:36.460 breaking containment, velociraptor, AI eating people.

00:31:40.160 The kill switch, I originally read it the same way you did,

00:31:43.120 and I'm like, why in the world would anybody want it?

00:31:45.140 Why, as Paul of all people, who is a big privacy,

00:31:48.380 you know, government powers sort of hawk,

00:31:51.380 it's because of who got to make the decision

00:31:54.760 of when to implement the kill switch,

00:31:57.600 and he didn't trust Congress to be able to do it.

00:32:00.480 Kennedy's bill specifically says that the government

00:32:03.500 will not be in control of the kill switch.

00:32:05.220 Yeah, but who would be?

00:32:06.440 Well, I don't know all the details of the bill.

00:32:08.740 Paul wanted more specifics.

00:32:10.540 I don't think Congress should be in charge of it.

00:32:12.420 That's why Paul blocked it.

00:32:14.040 My understanding was he wanted to clarify on who would be in control of that kill switch.

00:32:19.260 Because think about how powerful that would be, right?

00:32:21.700 I mean, as you talk about all the power AI could have, who do you want to have the finger on the button?

00:32:27.740 And I think that has to be clarified.

00:32:29.560 If you're going to give that much power to somebody, who are you going to give that power to?

00:32:34.200 and I believe and I would understand

00:32:36.440 if Paul's thing was I want you to be

00:32:38.340 very specific on who has that much power because

00:32:40.320 it's like giving the nuclear football like

00:32:42.060 who has the power okay the president does

00:32:44.060 does the president have the authority for the kill switch

00:32:46.160 I mean does he have to get approval by

00:32:48.020 his cabinet I think there should be layers

00:32:49.520 you know what I'm saying there should be layers correct which is why

00:32:52.320 I think pumping

00:32:54.400 the brakes on the kill switch is probably

00:32:56.180 the better idea until we can define

00:32:58.040 because here's what we don't want to do Pearson

00:32:59.920 why don't we put the kill switch in place first

00:33:02.360 and then work out the details because you're talking about letting out something that could 0.98

00:33:07.400 destroy humanity it's too late we have failed to regulate ai before it became as big as it is

00:33:12.660 and now we're playing catch-up and a lot of people believe we'll never be able to sufficiently

00:33:16.800 catch up regular from a regulatory perspective on how advanced ai is a lot of people are concerned

00:33:22.560 about it um but knee-jerk trying to assess regulations after the fact that should have

00:33:29.660 been implemented before might actually do more harm than having those regulations because what

00:33:35.400 you don't want to do is rush to develop things like kill switches without thinking about who

00:33:38.660 should have that control and so this is the problem with the regulatory environment there's

00:33:42.540 a lot of fear about ai but there's also a lot of potential and a lot of um you know when you have

00:33:48.960 a lot of reasonable fear correct but china china is not pumping the brakes china is not pumping

00:33:55.360 the brakes okay china is building i'm glad you brought that up building the i'm glad you brought 0.96

00:33:58.920 that up can we play the video now let's do it and we're quite sure she could wipe out the human race 1.00

00:34:03.620 oh easily in so many colorful ways actually i mean she could hijack the energy grid and boil 1.00

00:34:09.960 the oceans she could fabricate a dozen fleeting viruses on a whim she could even turn the atmosphere 1.00

00:34:15.320 into goo if she wanted to why are we building her again because if we don't those little fellows on 1.00

00:34:22.700 the red team will ah yes the red team dreadful people really imagine a machine like this in

00:34:32.300 their hands oh it'd be unthinkable they'd wipe out humanity with it yes whereas in our hands

00:34:39.200 yes it's much better she remain in our hands yes yes much better which is why we must finish

00:34:49.620 building her first whatever the cost and our version won't wipe out humanity oh come on now

00:34:54.680 dr pym we'd never let that happen of course of course say how would we uh not let that happen 0.52

00:35:04.280 oh pym we don't have time for silly debate now do we the red fellows are only a month behind our

00:35:13.380 research i love that video that was a fantastic video to your point china's doing it so we better 1.00

00:35:21.420 beat them to it because it's really better off in our hands than theirs we can't let those red 1.00

00:35:26.360 fellows have it what if we took the same um and i'm sure we did at the time what if we took the 1.00

00:35:31.020 same attitude towards nuclear weapons well they stole ours what do you mean china stole ours 0.70

00:35:36.360 united states is the only country that's ever developed right but but germany was trying to 0.84

00:35:41.060 build one everybody's trying to build one we just succeeded in building it first what if we in the 0.78

00:35:46.720 united states took the out of like whoa if we build this thing we they you know germany would

00:35:52.680 have had it then before we did if we put the brakes on what would have happened if germany

00:35:55.560 got the weapon before us so i don't know what that is but the but the idea here is yes weapons

00:36:05.600 are dangerous, and developing weapons,

00:36:08.200 especially

00:36:08.960 weapons that could destroy humanity,

00:36:11.560 like nuclear weapons, it's dangerous.

00:36:14.280 But at the same time, you

00:36:15.460 don't sit on your hands and put your head in the sand and go,

00:36:17.540 well, it wouldn't be good if we developed these, so let's

00:36:19.660 just not, while somebody else we know

00:36:21.700 is actively developing it. And it's a cute

00:36:23.540 parody, but it's honestly the truth.

00:36:26.020 Like, somebody

00:36:27.540 has to be, unless

00:36:29.440 everybody agrees, a non-AI

00:36:31.820 proliferation

00:36:33.380 treaty. Like, let's all

00:36:35.400 enter into a non-AI... Which China would never agree to. 0.85

00:36:37.480 Correct. So what do we do then, Pearson?

00:36:39.360 What is the alternative other than to develop this

00:36:41.400 technology? I don't know what the alternative is, but it's

00:36:43.420 terrifying. It is terrifying.

00:36:45.400 And we are rushing into this without

00:36:47.460 fully understanding it. That is clear.

00:36:49.280 I don't know if we have a choice.

00:36:51.060 We just have to do it because

00:36:52.600 the other guy's doing it and we better beat him to it.

00:36:55.140 We have to... To not develop this weapon

00:36:57.260 would be allowing

00:36:59.240 the United States to become vulnerable to it.

00:37:01.540 What's also interesting to think about...

00:37:03.360 is we developed the atom bomb

00:37:05.820 and then we used it.

00:37:07.980 Correct.

00:37:09.500 We might use this.

00:37:10.860 So we develop AI,

00:37:12.420 whatever form it's going to take,

00:37:13.640 weaponized AI,

00:37:14.760 and then we deploy it.

00:37:16.500 Yeah.

00:37:16.820 What does that look like?

00:37:18.080 What are the consequences?

00:37:19.500 Probably significant.

00:37:21.120 And,

00:37:21.460 but the,

00:37:22.940 again,

00:37:24.380 the alternative?

00:37:25.540 Look, 0.99

00:37:25.940 I'm all about us versus them. 0.99

00:37:28.180 Like, 0.99

00:37:28.480 definitely us over them.

00:37:30.400 A hundred percent.

00:37:30.900 And I lived in China,

00:37:31.700 so I know what we're fighting against.

00:37:33.360 but like i told matt last time we talked about this this could be a pyrrhic victory we win and

00:37:39.060 we destroy ourselves in the process and i think that is unfortunately probably the natural evolution

00:37:44.940 of how this ends because the same thing with nuclear weapons right the reason arguably why

00:37:51.300 some people say we're at war with iran is i believe we're to keep them from getting a nuclear

00:37:55.820 weapon and why don't we want iran to have a nuclear weapon because they're a rogue nation

00:37:59.660 and we believe they would use it in a way

00:38:01.340 that would be destructive to the greater humanity, right?

00:38:03.620 It's the same thing with AI. 1.00

00:38:05.820 So if we allow China or anybody

00:38:08.520 to develop this technology at a rate faster than us,

00:38:12.060 we become vulnerable to it and that threatens humanity.

00:38:14.660 At the end of the day, as much distrust

00:38:19.860 as we've all been convinced to have in the United States,

00:38:24.740 and they've earned it, COVID, perfect example,

00:38:26.920 January 6th, prosecution's perfect example,

00:38:29.540 There's a lot of reasons why people have developed the distrust of government, the UAP files.

00:38:33.120 I don't know.

00:38:34.100 But at the end of the day, we have to at least trust America more than we trust China, more than we trust Russia.

00:38:43.740 And at the end of the day, we're going to have to at least maybe get more involved in our elections to elect people we trust more that run the government.

00:38:50.360 But we can't lose this AI arms race because if we do, Pearson, I believe it is the next –

00:38:57.280 it will be the thing that makes the next superpower.

00:38:59.540 And if we are behind on it because we're afraid of the regulation,

00:39:02.300 I believe we are putting ourselves at a disadvantage,

00:39:05.740 just like we can't catch up to regulate it.

00:39:08.380 Imagine if we're behind on this technology,

00:39:10.480 and then we're like, yep, maybe we should develop it.

00:39:12.340 By then it'll be too late.

00:39:14.360 That's the way I see it is.

00:39:15.520 I hope we just elect the right politicians that we can trust.

00:39:18.380 This technology is coming one way or the other.

00:39:20.520 Yes, the fears are real.

00:39:22.000 We should put guardrails in place,

00:39:23.440 but those, as President Trump has said,

00:39:25.260 those guardrails should not stifle our development of the technology that would give our enemies

00:39:30.860 or adversaries an advantage over us that that risks our national security this may not be a

00:39:37.920 perfect metaphor but in my head i'm seeing this seems like two people in a race and you're running

00:39:46.660 headlong toward this button that says kill yeah i'd rather and there's only one button

00:39:51.880 and you 1.00

00:39:53.620 does that mean kill you 1.00

00:39:55.520 does that mean kill the other guy it just says kill on it 1.00

00:39:58.220 but you're both running to get to it

00:40:00.140 first well no I think it's more like squid games

00:40:02.240 I think I didn't watch squid games

00:40:04.140 our audience I'm sure has squid games

00:40:06.280 the idea is like the person who

00:40:08.180 wins gets all this money but you could die in the

00:40:10.100 process of winning and nobody knows

00:40:12.040 whether or not you're going to win or lose or die or not

00:40:14.120 and you don't even know what the games are

00:40:15.700 that's really this is squid games

00:40:17.860 but at the same time we have to

00:40:20.120 win but we have to win we have to win

00:40:22.160 Like I said, unless there's an international treaty against AI development

00:40:26.440 until we can regulate it, which nobody's going to be willing to do.

00:40:29.000 But what is the greater danger right now?

00:40:31.840 Regulating AI before we fully understand it?

00:40:34.540 To the United States, that.

00:40:35.580 Waiting until we fully understand it and then finding out we've waited too long.

00:40:40.960 The bigger risk is allowing another nation to become dominant over the United States

00:40:46.300 with the respect to this technology, which I believe is the most powerful.

00:40:50.920 this is going to make the nuclear bomb

00:40:53.260 look like making fire with two sticks.

00:40:54.980 It's going to fundamentally change the nature of human civilization.

00:40:57.320 Of everything.

00:40:57.920 Because remember how long it took

00:40:59.880 them to develop a nuclear weapon?

00:41:01.960 Because the science, AI,

00:41:04.040 can develop a nuclear weapon

00:41:05.160 in probably a few hours.

00:41:08.540 All the mathematical issues

00:41:10.300 that we have taken, it literally takes

00:41:12.040 a lifetime of a scientist

00:41:13.740 to solve an equation that AI, properly

00:41:16.060 powered, can solve in hours.

00:41:17.880 And then multiple AIs working together

00:41:20.000 can probably solve it in minutes.

00:41:21.560 This will unlock the full potential

00:41:23.780 of the universe for humanity.

00:41:26.020 It has the opportunity,

00:41:27.500 it has the potential

00:41:28.240 to make the human race

00:41:30.740 beyond anything we've ever imagined.

00:41:34.540 But it also has the risk

00:41:36.520 of turning this into something.

00:41:38.620 Damocles' sword.

00:41:39.980 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:41.380 Speaking of China.

00:41:42.040 I'm most excited 1.00

00:41:43.120 to have an alternative

00:41:46.380 to Hollywood out of AI.

00:41:48.780 That's one of the things I'm most excited about.

00:41:49.980 Yeah, we talked about that last week.

00:41:51.600 Yeah, it was Tilly Norwood.

00:41:52.700 But, I mean, just like you watch that clip we just watched.

00:41:55.700 I mean, that's all AI.

00:41:57.200 That's brilliant.

00:41:57.960 That's phenomenal.

00:41:58.480 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:58.880 Well, yeah.

00:41:59.720 You can do that in a couple of minutes, put that together.

00:42:02.400 Until Democrats try to regulate AI because it puts their friends in Hollywood out of business.

00:42:06.860 Yeah, and unionize it.

00:42:07.740 Correct.

00:42:08.120 See, this is the point.

00:42:10.000 Regulation can stifle creativity.

00:42:11.800 Oh, yeah, sure.

00:42:12.340 It can also stifle national defense.

00:42:12.800 It's a double-edged sword. 0.83

00:42:13.460 Speaking of China, because we talk about China.

00:42:14.940 They're coming, Xi Jinping is coming to the United States.

00:42:19.320 The First Lady is planning this wonderful tour.

00:42:21.680 Again, filming on Monday.

00:42:22.760 This is happening in a couple of days.

00:42:24.080 Yeah, I think it's Wednesday.

00:42:25.580 Wednesday, yeah.

00:42:27.760 So coming to the United States, full state meeting, bands, all that good stuff, right?

00:42:36.460 Now, China is always portrayed as being our biggest enemy. 0.75

00:42:40.160 They are.

00:42:40.480 Xi Jinping and Trump has historically had a very good relationship.

00:42:44.020 Well.

00:42:44.940 What do you think the best thing that will come out of this meeting?

00:42:49.560 Besides, I think obviously trade deals.

00:42:51.120 There will definitely be trade deals announced,

00:42:52.800 but what do you think will come out of this meeting?

00:42:54.480 I mean, that's the question.

00:42:57.320 AI, I think, is going to be one of the number one things they talk about.

00:43:00.200 And I don't think, I think that probably the biggest thing that comes out of this

00:43:04.100 is something we're not even going to see.

00:43:05.820 I think they're going to be making these deals

00:43:07.240 and talking about stuff behind the scenes,

00:43:08.560 and I think AI is going to be the number one thing they're discussing.

00:43:11.140 I think AI at this point is almost bigger than trade.

00:43:15.280 Like trade is, of course, going to impact us financially and economically first.

00:43:20.600 But AI has, you know, like we just discussed, the power to fundamentally change our countries.

00:43:24.720 So I think that's what they're going to be discussing.

00:43:26.880 You think AI is going to – what about Iran?

00:43:29.760 I mean, China has definitely been –

00:43:31.700 That will be something that we probably see public facing.

00:43:33.800 Yeah.

00:43:33.960 Some kind of, we discussed this and China has agreed to cooperate and, you know, we're going to, you know, it's been fantastic having Xi out here and, you know, we're going to get this Iran thing settled.

00:43:45.060 No problem.

00:43:46.260 What if Trump and Ping announce Xi?

00:43:51.120 How do you say his name?

00:43:51.740 Xi.

00:43:52.040 Do you say short for Xi?

00:43:53.500 Xi.

00:43:54.020 Xi Jinping.

00:43:54.900 I know, but how do you shorten his name?

00:43:56.180 You don't say his, you don't say the last name like we say Donald Trump, we say Trump.

00:44:00.720 I think Xi, we say Xi when we're shortening it. 0.63

00:44:03.020 We just say communist.

00:44:03.500 Whatever. So what if they announce an energy partnership where the United States agrees to supply them with affordable energy?

00:44:15.140 That would make Iran pretty weak at that point, even Russia.

00:44:19.580 Because what would happen if China, who buys a lot of their oil from Iran, what happens if the United States makes an energy deal with China? 0.72

00:44:26.900 Iran's done.

00:44:27.540 I don't think we would. Why not? 1.00

00:44:28.620 I don't think that we would. Iran's already done. 1.00

00:44:31.060 From an energy standpoint, we don't need to make a deal with China to make that happen. 0.99

00:44:36.520 But that would bury Iran. 0.78

00:44:37.900 They wouldn't have anyone to sell oil anymore.

00:44:39.980 Yeah, it might bury Iran, but I think Trump recognizes how dangerous a threat China is.

00:44:45.340 I don't think we want to do them any favors. 0.92

00:44:46.960 Well, if we control their energy, that puts us in a powerful position, which is why I don't know if China would want that deal.

00:44:52.300 Yeah, that's true, too.

00:44:53.560 I don't think they would.

00:44:55.900 They produce a ton of energy on their own.

00:44:58.540 They already do.

00:44:59.420 And I know they buy a lot from Iran, but I don't know how much they actually need us to make that work for them. 0.59

00:45:06.860 Well, so it's like this.

00:45:07.780 Yes, they could maybe make more energy, but it would cost them a lot more than it would be for them to buy it.

00:45:12.560 I think the perfect situation—

00:45:13.960 I mean, they could also just buy it from Russia.

00:45:15.720 Well, but we don't want them to, right?

00:45:16.920 Well, no, we don't want them to.

00:45:17.860 So what if we made a deal? 0.99

00:45:19.280 Because we, by far, more than any other country on the planet, buy more Chinese stuff than anybody else.

00:45:24.740 China needs us to buy their stuff, right?

00:45:26.220 And that's why this tariff war is so significant.

00:45:27.880 What if the deal we make is, China, we're going to buy your stuff, zero tariff, if you agree to buy our energy.

00:45:34.580 Now, that makes you rely on us for energy.

00:45:36.620 It also squeezes Russia and Iran, who, by the way, we need the war between Russia and Ukraine to end, and we need the war in Iran to end.

00:45:43.000 Having that leverage over the energy they sell to China certainly puts us in a powerful position.

00:45:47.220 But yet we agree, the quid pro quo is, we're going to buy your stuff, China. 0.54

00:45:50.800 We'll be dependent on you. 0.94

00:45:52.040 You're going to be dependent on us for energy.

00:45:53.580 and as a result the world becomes a lot more safe and controllable for the united states that would 1.00

00:45:59.360 be a good deal right that's not a deal i would make but i have a particular hatred for the chinese 1.00

00:46:03.300 the chinese government right i understand so i would not want to do anything 0.99

00:46:07.380 i'm kind of a i'm kind of a you know crush your enemies see them driven before you and hear the

00:46:15.180 lamentation of their women kind of guy well then we need to develop ai faster than that well that's

00:46:19.640 what we're going to do but the the question is what does what does she need from trump that he

00:46:26.700 can't get anywhere else reliable energy and that's the thing because russia's tied up in ukraine

00:46:32.340 diesel fat we we saw earlier this week the diesel trump was posting about it that diesel production

00:46:37.680 in russia has just been ground to a halt because of that war with ukraine ukraine doing significant

00:46:42.760 drone strikes now zelinski and trump are meeting i think this is this week um that should clarify

00:46:48.560 that situation out there.

00:46:49.600 But reliable energy is a big deal for China

00:46:52.000 because you don't have to worry about Iran

00:46:53.380 shutting down the straight-up for moves.

00:46:54.400 Did you see the fission reactor they're building?

00:46:56.160 Who?

00:46:56.680 China?

00:46:57.400 No. 1.00

00:46:58.000 Yeah, they had this massive...

00:46:59.860 Now, take everything you see about China, 0.97

00:47:02.780 like with a huge drain of salt. 0.58

00:47:04.060 Is it going to be like, you know, the aircraft carrier?

00:47:05.920 Right, exactly.

00:47:07.480 But yeah, there were some photos,

00:47:09.740 and God knows at this point how accurate they are,

00:47:12.820 but of this massive energy plant they're building,

00:47:14.940 it was supposedly fission.

00:47:15.800 and with the technology they've stolen from us,

00:47:19.060 that's very possible.

00:47:19.520 And AI might help them figure it out.

00:47:21.700 Yeah.

00:47:22.020 Well, then maybe that's the case, but we'll see.

00:47:24.620 We don't know that.

00:47:25.180 But I think a few deals will be announced

00:47:27.720 and I think deals that will be very good for the economy

00:47:29.760 and it'll come right at the perfect moment

00:47:32.160 where midterms are coming up

00:47:34.200 and maybe it'll take some pressure off of the fuel markets.

00:47:36.320 We'll see. 0.98

00:47:36.540 You know, China, my issue is that China

00:47:38.920 unquestionably views us as an adversary.

00:47:42.060 We are China's enemy.

00:47:43.800 Having lived there and talked to the people who were there,

00:47:46.520 they view us as an enemy 100%.

00:47:49.020 Should we reciprocate?

00:47:51.680 Should we treat them like the enemy they think that we are?

00:47:54.840 We kind of do.

00:47:55.680 No, I think we still play with kid gloves.

00:47:57.720 I think we still play softball with them.

00:47:59.540 And, you know, up until Trump,

00:48:01.680 like he's drawn a reasonably hard line towards them.

00:48:05.860 Not as hard as I would have gone.

00:48:07.960 No one ever goes as hard on these countries as I would go.

00:48:10.100 No, well, that's clear.

00:48:11.700 but you know obviously much harder than biden did or any of the democrats or bush or anybody

00:48:17.180 clinton you know going back as far as you can think they've all given so many deals to the

00:48:21.380 chinese and helped them so many ways so should we should we treat them like the enemy that they

00:48:26.320 think we are i i don't know if treating like the enemy is a solution but i i do feel like 1.00

00:48:31.060 they're necessary evil i mean we do a lot of business with china and we've tried to bring 0.97

00:48:35.500 manufacturing i just don't believe in necessary but we we brought all this manufacturing back

00:48:39.540 to the United States. We can't reproduce.

00:48:41.680 I mean, we have some, to some respect. When we had 0.99

00:48:43.560 that big trade war with China a couple of years ago, 1.00

00:48:45.900 we started getting some

00:48:47.580 supplies. Remember when the tariffs hit real bit

00:48:49.480 with just China? We started getting some things

00:48:51.380 from Vietnam or, you know, South Korea.

00:48:53.820 We started trying to source things from other places.

00:48:55.460 The problem is China produces so much of our stuff

00:48:57.640 that our economy relies upon,

00:48:59.600 especially when we're trying to control inflation and keep interest

00:49:01.500 rates down, that I don't think we can get

00:49:03.480 into this treating them like an enemy situation

00:49:05.500 without causing pain on the United States. And actually

00:49:07.580 this is a perfect example because 0.96

00:49:09.160 we're treating Iran like the enemy

00:49:11.160 and gas prices are high

00:49:13.020 and everybody is really upset with

00:49:15.400 Trump for treating Iran like an enemy

00:49:16.900 and gas prices are high. What do you think would

00:49:19.360 happen if we treated China like it? Do we need to treat 1.00

00:49:21.340 China as an enemy? Yes. China

00:49:23.420 is actively destroying our country. Iran was not 0.94

00:49:25.380 actively destroying our country.

00:49:27.320 When I go to the gas station these days,

00:49:29.300 I look at the pump and I'm like, you know what? 0.98

00:49:31.480 Maybe I would be alright if Iran had a nuke. 0.97

00:49:33.740 You know? 0.98

00:49:34.580 Well, speaking of China,

00:49:37.820 Again.

00:49:38.540 There's a story that Natalie Winters was breaking about Chinese involvement in, I guess, liberal disinformation.

00:49:46.180 Talk about that.

00:49:46.840 Because this is, again, you talk about China not being our friend.

00:49:50.800 Talk about what they're doing with respect to our elections.

00:49:53.140 And you have to wonder if Donald Trump's policies are weak, why is China putting so much effort into getting reelected?

00:50:03.580 I don't think they're weak.

00:50:04.740 They obviously hate him.

00:50:05.880 Yeah.

00:50:06.320 For good reason.

00:50:06.760 There's very good arguments to be made that they derailed the 2020 election, that China was responsible for what happened, maybe in large part.

00:50:16.220 But the story seems to be that Natalie Winters exposed the left's involvement in a group tied to the CCP to influence the midterm elections.

00:50:24.980 According to the article, it would appear that these NGOs and charities that are tied to the CCP would be illegal involvement in U.S. elections.

00:50:31.580 she quoted she said this is a group that is advertising in their internal donor briefings

00:50:36.480 that i obtained you can read it on my sub stack that for 229 dollars they can basically produce

00:50:41.340 a democrat vote they send these fake scary almost ccp style big brother letters to these people 0.58

00:50:47.680 saying we'll be reviewing these records after the election to determine whether or not you 0.83

00:50:52.040 joined your neighbors in voting um and it says they claim credit for 271 000 additional votes

00:51:01.160 in 2024. 271, over a quarter of a million votes from this group tied to the CCP. They sent 200

00:51:08.540 million pieces of mail in that election cycle. And now they've got another program that's just

00:51:13.020 like that heading into the midterms. So, I mean, it says they're targeting 18 states,

00:51:19.240 swing states. They've announced more than 2.2 million vote by mail applications

00:51:22.920 on September 8th. This is Chinese money funding the midterms. So that's why I'm saying

00:51:31.020 war baby well i mean we're surprised by this we do the same thing you heard trump remember after

00:51:35.800 trump made that oval office announcement about china meddling in our elections he talked about

00:51:40.500 this from the little office and the mainstream media ignored it um but trump said that's all

00:51:46.020 right we talked about it they've stopped we do it to them they do it to us um is this is this an

00:51:51.960 example of us doing it to them and them doing to us or are they ramping it up before the midterms

00:51:56.500 if anyone's watched more than one episode of this,

00:51:58.380 they know I am not a diplomat.

00:52:00.160 Like I am lay waste to your enemies,

00:52:02.680 Vlad the Impaler style.

00:52:04.200 So maybe I'm not the best person to ask on how to do this, 0.92

00:52:07.260 but I think Trump needs to go in

00:52:09.940 and make it very clear

00:52:11.140 that it will be death and destruction

00:52:12.380 if they don't stop meddling in our elections. 0.97

00:52:15.040 You know, you have your little communist hell hole

00:52:17.000 over in your corner of the world. 0.98

00:52:18.820 Leave us alone or else.

00:52:21.120 Well, maybe that'll happen this week.

00:52:22.900 There was a great story that just came out about,

00:52:25.280 we can do this quick,

00:52:26.240 about um trump when he met the leader of uh the taliban or al-qaeda and he said you know we're

00:52:32.720 pulling out of afghanistan if you don't if you touch a single hair on the head of any american 0.85

00:52:36.940 i will kill you and then he handed him a photograph of his house yeah i remember this 0.99

00:52:41.820 that's what we should do with xi jinping i don't think you know take that aggressive an approach 0.98

00:52:45.740 i think trump likes diplomacy more he does and i think more than i do i think deals are going to

00:52:50.640 come out of this maybe we'll address that but that is all the time we have for this episode

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The Anchormen Show EP 164 - Greenland, Fake News, and the AI Kill Switch

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