The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show EP 169 - The Smart Money Says...

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00:00:32.040 I'm Matt Gaetz, host of the Matt Gaetz Show here on One America News.

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00:02:01.900 David, it's good to see you, buddy.

00:02:03.540 I have been digging out of a hurricane the last few days.

00:02:06.700 I know that as Florida men, we understand that it's a time where we help our neighbors.

00:02:12.540 We gather up in the Walmart parking lot at times, get the chainsaws out.

00:02:17.380 And I'm so proud of my community in northwest Florida.

00:02:20.340 The farmers helping one another.

00:02:22.360 the uh the resorts really making sure that they were back online i mean if you're if you're some

00:02:28.800 family that worked 51 weeks in andalusia alabama and then that one week you get in destin is the

00:02:34.880 week everything's torn up you don't want to see that but we thought this thing was going into

00:02:38.600 louisiana i called my friend steve scalise and said you're like a guy with nine lives and so

00:02:44.400 you'll probably be okay but it took a little warble to the to the east have you ever been

00:02:48.960 in a hurricane, David? I mean, I grew up in Florida. I can't even. What's the worst that

00:02:53.260 you've been in? You know, I don't know. Irma was pretty good, you know. Didn't she kind of whip

00:02:59.140 around? Yeah, that one went through the Keys, and I have a sister losing the Keys, so they got torn 1.00

00:03:03.080 up pretty good by a Cat 5, and then it looped around, went through southwest Florida, came up

00:03:08.380 straight to Orlando, where I live, and yeah, it did some pretty good damage. I mean, but, you know,

00:03:14.260 hurricanes come and go i don't live on the coast you know power outage in roofs that and trees

00:03:19.740 power outages roofs and trees but i got it down pat i got my generator i got my extension cords

00:03:24.080 i can run my fridge but um you know but they're serious and there is loss of life in every one of

00:03:29.180 these storms and yeah the panhandle got hit particularly hard even though it wasn't a huge

00:03:33.520 storm inland where all the trees fell they were getting i forget what they call their some uh

00:03:37.920 their snap some kind of winds that were being driven particularly fast they were splitting

00:03:42.540 trees had some kind of name that i've never heard of it was the gulf stream coming down and shearing

00:03:48.160 yeah the hurricane and yeah like literally driving an axe in the middle of a hundred year old

00:03:53.960 split in half uh i forget the name of them uh but yes it was it was so i heard a lot of small farms

00:03:59.380 and got you know all their fences were down big trees fell on things people lost their life with

00:04:03.160 but um you're right every time there's a storm the power goes off everybody comes outside you

00:04:09.880 meet your neighbors you share gasoline you share food floridians really come together after a storm

00:04:14.480 and it does remind everybody you know how strong a community is down there it is also the unique test

00:04:20.340 for every florida governor you know jeb bush charlie christ desantis rick scott by the way

00:04:26.360 they're all terrific yeah like i'll give it to every one of those guys when it comes to

00:04:30.340 hurricane response yeah and you know that when you run for governor of florida that that is when all

00:04:36.380 eyes are on and it is all about getting the power back on ron desantis did a terrific job he always

00:04:41.180 does the best there has let me tell you i've had hurricanes before ron desantis and hurricanes

00:04:46.980 after ron desantis the way he stages linemen before the storm in parking lots i live in in

00:04:54.040 florida i live literally at the end of a line so like i'm the first if a bird lands on my power

00:04:59.820 line i lose power before the storm even comes and then they're not fixing until after the storm is

00:05:03.880 over, we're usually the last to get power. Since Ron DeSantis became governor, we still lose power,

00:05:10.760 but we get it back so fast. His storm response, what he did in southwest Florida, I mean,

00:05:15.860 with repairing that bridge to Pine Island, he has been a fantastic storm governor.

00:05:19.500 In a way, his governorship was born of a storm because we had Hurricane Michael in 2018 really

00:05:25.540 hit Panama City, Bay County hard, and there were worries that that could affect the vote.

00:05:31.220 My dad calls the panhandle of Florida victory lane for Republicans, all those rich Republican counties.

00:05:37.820 We hope we don't see a diminution in that vote coming up.

00:05:40.700 I've seen a lot of polls.

00:05:41.460 We talk about this Florida governor's race a lot.

00:05:43.220 I know we're covering it on both of our shows.

00:05:46.720 Enthusiastic about Byron Donalds as a candidate.

00:05:48.900 I want to see him in there.

00:05:50.480 I see polls everywhere.

00:05:51.920 I see some that show this thing two to three points away.

00:05:55.060 Some say it's a 10-point race, probably somewhere in the middle.

00:05:57.760 but we're not predicting a remarkably close night for Byron Donalds.

00:06:02.540 Do you think the entire Republican slate gets through in Florida?

00:06:05.000 I think so.

00:06:05.560 I mean, through, again, kudos to Ron DeSantis and the Florida GOP.

00:06:09.760 We went from, when Ron DeSantis first got elected,

00:06:12.160 we went from having a very slim Republican majority in that state.

00:06:15.380 Remember the Andrew Gillum bag of ballots situation?

00:06:18.620 Andrew Gillum had bags, a lot of stuff.

00:06:20.600 That's true.

00:06:22.120 But the ballots was what we stopped.

00:06:23.780 We didn't stop the other bags, apparently.

00:06:24.980 Andrew Gillum, I believe, arrested in Alabama for possession of methamphetamines.

00:06:27.760 Yeah, well, everyone's innocent until proven guilty.

00:06:30.060 That's true.

00:06:30.920 But since Ron DeSantis has become governor,

00:06:34.260 we have a million Republican majority in Florida.

00:06:37.440 So it shouldn't be close.

00:06:39.900 And so we're hoping, and David Jolly,

00:06:42.380 I mean, he's not going to inspire a lot of Democrats.

00:06:44.800 So I don't imagine it will be close,

00:06:48.060 but that doesn't mean that Republicans shouldn't treat it

00:06:50.520 as if it's going to be close.

00:06:51.940 Because as you mentioned, the polling suggests

00:06:53.780 it's closer than it should be.

00:06:55.640 So either the polls are wrong,

00:06:56.720 or maybe it is closer than it should be.

00:06:58.740 And in a year like this one, everybody needs to vote.

00:07:01.400 Every congressional seat you have to view as not being safe,

00:07:03.880 every governor's race, every single race that you might be taking for granted,

00:07:08.040 show up for it.

00:07:09.040 So we have to at least trust the polls and hope they're wrong,

00:07:12.300 hope for the best, right, expect the worst,

00:07:14.300 and make sure Republicans get elected.

00:07:15.420 I do think there are a lot of MAGA voters who just have had it with pollsters

00:07:18.580 and have no interest.

00:07:19.660 And I think a lot of that is some of the Jack Smith weaponization

00:07:22.160 that we've seen major headlines on this week.

00:07:25.580 But when you learn that Jack Smith was getting the records of over 6,000 Americans who bought MAGA hats and Trump campaign merch, and then you're like, oh, hey, I'm a pollster calling.

00:07:38.920 Who are you going to vote for?

00:07:39.900 What do you think about Donald Trump?

00:07:41.720 Who would answer that?

00:07:42.900 I think there are a lot of our folks who are reasonable in not participating in these things.

00:07:47.680 You know, and we have some quirky people on our side, too.

00:07:50.580 That's why I love them.

00:07:51.620 You know, the kind of folks that show up on Election Day because they don't want anybody to know who's winning.

00:07:55.120 And you know some of these folks get the phone call, hey, this is so-and-so with so-and-so polling.

00:07:59.360 And they're like, oh, yeah, I'm voting for Jolly 100%.

00:08:02.020 And you're like, we'll get him.

00:08:03.000 They'll think he's ahead.

00:08:04.080 So I think they mess with some of the pollsters.

00:08:06.580 The gamification may be worth two or three points.

00:08:08.680 I agree. 1.00

00:08:09.360 I want to now pivot to one of the spiciest debate videos I have ever seen. 1.00

00:08:15.740 You participated in Brandon Strzok's walkaway debates. 1.00

00:08:19.560 A member of our team found this today.

00:08:21.220 We're going to play it in a minute.

00:08:21.940 You're debating Alex Stein.

00:08:23.600 And he is really upset. But maybe just to set it up for us, David, talk about the structure for these debates and why you think they're important.

00:08:32.540 Well, look, Brandon has been doing, you know, he's founder of WalkAway and WalkAway Campaign was founded to basically in his walkaway story.

00:08:38.460 He was a Democrat and he got sick and tired of all the hate and anger.

00:08:41.640 And so he left the Democrat Party, made this walkaway video and said, basically, I'm walking away from the Democrat Party.

00:08:47.480 And he made this video. It goes viral. And that sort of made Brandon Strzok. Right.

00:08:52.100 So where he is now, though, having been somebody who's been a Democrat, been a Republican, been a Trump supporter, got involved January 6th, you know, pardoned, but still unhappy with the lack of accountability.

00:09:02.720 He started picking up on what he believes is a split, you know, in the movement.

00:09:08.040 And he views the split as being MAGA versus America first.

00:09:11.020 I always said that isn't the split.

00:09:12.160 Yeah, I reject the premise.

00:09:12.900 I do, too, and I always say that at the debates.

00:09:14.920 But he holds these America first versus MAGA debates.

00:09:17.860 And we always end up sitting there looking at each other.

00:09:20.020 We argue on some of the places we disagree.

00:09:22.100 But we all leave believing that, yeah, we still have a lot more in common than divide us.

00:09:26.700 And that debate was a perfect example of that.

00:09:28.540 Oh, and wow.

00:09:29.680 Well, with that set up, let us play the great unifying moment as described by David Pollock.

00:09:35.540 Yeah.

00:09:36.300 They've never attacked America.

00:09:37.800 Stop saying that.

00:09:38.500 So they didn't kill U.S. soldiers.

00:09:39.820 Oh, U.S. soldiers that are on their turf. 0.96

00:09:42.100 If a bunch of their soldiers came here, we killed them.

00:09:44.640 That doesn't mean we killed Iranians. 0.97

00:09:45.900 They don't kill American civilians.

00:09:47.780 They've never killed an American civilian.

00:09:49.100 Iran has been at war with the United States since 1949. 0.99

00:09:53.300 That's such bull****. 0.98

00:09:54.800 That is so bull****. 0.99

00:09:56.800 Hold on, hold on. 0.99

00:09:57.800 They literally attacked us.

00:09:59.400 They have a fought wall against nuclear weapons, but we, we, we, we, we, we, we literally killed their leader who didn't want to have nuclear weapons.

00:10:06.200 David.

00:10:06.700 And now they have a much meaner leadership that's going to be in place.

00:10:10.600 The, the normie sitting next to Alex Stein is so uncomfortable.

00:10:14.600 Did you expect this level of intensity?

00:10:16.200 Yeah, I mean it's Alex Stein.

00:10:17.600 So I always joke that, you know, Alex Stein can go from zero to ten and then right back down to zero again.

00:10:24.060 Alex is just a – he's a huge personality.

00:10:26.920 And if he walks in a room, he's like, hey, everybody, it's Alex Stein.

00:10:29.760 He's just how he is.

00:10:30.860 And so we're having that debate.

00:10:32.240 He gets passionate.

00:10:32.980 He turns it up to ten.

00:10:33.760 There is no ratcheting it up for Alex.

00:10:35.740 It's zero to ten.

00:10:36.860 And so, look, he gets animated.

00:10:39.060 We're friends.

00:10:39.940 We all went out after.

00:10:41.600 You know, the reality is this is healthy conversation and dialogue.

00:10:46.440 The difference is we can yell at each other like this, or he can yell at me.

00:10:49.440 I don't yell.

00:10:50.140 I'm a lawyer.

00:10:50.740 I have composure.

00:10:52.140 But he can yell, and then we can go and really just find a lot of commonalities.

00:10:58.080 And there were some moments in this debate where we did agree with each other, and Alex

00:11:01.600 and I saw eye to eye on certain issues.

00:11:02.860 What do you think is the biggest split between what some would call MAGA and some would call

00:11:07.220 America First?

00:11:08.000 Yeah, and that's why I objected to that as well.

00:11:09.680 And every time we do these little things where we sit there and you say, hey, I'm David,

00:11:12.800 and I'm representing a MAGA, and I'm representing America First.

00:11:15.300 And I would say, hey, I'm David, and I'm MAGA, and I'm America First, because I don't see that there's a split.

00:11:21.580 Now, there might be a policy disagreement.

00:11:23.920 And yeah, you could say America First policy versus MAGA, but I don't think that is the breakdown.

00:11:29.520 What I think is, and we talked about this last week on the podcast, I think the Republican Party is the MAGA Party now.

00:11:34.900 It's President Trump's party.

00:11:36.180 The Republican Party is the MAGA Party.

00:11:37.660 Now, are there America First principles that people believe are maybe not at the forefront of the MAGA movement?

00:11:45.020 Maybe. I disagree.

00:11:45.940 Was it all foreign policy?

00:11:47.300 Do we have any split in this movement on domestic policy?

00:11:51.040 Let me ask that question.

00:11:51.860 You know, the complaint that they raised at the debate was that we weren't deporting enough people fast enough.

00:11:57.340 Who thinks that we have done enough in deportations?

00:12:02.540 I don't think anybody.

00:12:03.480 Every person who's illegal should be deported.

00:12:05.760 But I think three and a half million people in two years is a pretty good first stop.

00:12:10.740 Oh, so the debate is about whether or not it's been a success or a failure?

00:12:13.720 If they deported enough.

00:12:15.320 So like the America First side, we're like, oh, well, he made all these promises they didn't keep.

00:12:20.360 And I compared it.

00:12:21.400 I said, you guys are like kids on Christmas.

00:12:23.220 You open up all your gifts.

00:12:24.660 You're laying on the floor, surrounded by all the wrapping paper, you know, and you're like, oh.

00:12:30.600 And the parents are like, what's wrong?

00:12:32.160 You know, they spent their whole paycheck buying their kids Christmas presents.

00:12:34.440 like oh and you're like what's wrong like oh well i didn't get everything i wanted you're like kid

00:12:40.900 i just spent a million bucks on your presents that is what they're like in my opinion they want

00:12:44.960 everything immediately all of it everybody has to go to jail everybody has to be deported and

00:12:49.800 by the way it has to happen yesterday it's unreasonable and that was a big crux of the

00:12:54.200 of the debate it was that i was like relax i think that president trump created net negative

00:13:00.260 migration for the first time in either of our lives.

00:13:03.360 Yeah, correct.

00:13:04.160 And when we were told for four years that securing the border was just like an impossible

00:13:09.520 task, it was like an unsolvable Rubik's cube, and then he did it.

00:13:13.800 Yeah, I'm shocked that there are people who are critical of the Trump administration on

00:13:19.580 immigration.

00:13:20.200 It's been like, to me, it's been the greatest summit we have climbed because I don't think

00:13:24.760 they can go back.

00:13:25.480 We hear this argument a lot. We platform it that the Congress's failure to get these executive orders into permanent law just kind of makes the Trump movement vulnerable to a full swing back.

00:13:40.300 And I don't think so, man. I just don't think people are going to accept any politician saying that we can't secure the border anymore.

00:13:46.720 And I don't think on the culture war side that public money to do trans surgeries for minors is going to be an acceptable political position.

00:13:59.800 I don't think it ever has been an acceptable political position.

00:14:02.800 And real quick on the walkaway thing, I want to tell you what my biggest takeaway from it, besides the screaming and it was a lot of fun camaraderie, I've done two of those debates.

00:14:10.520 What Brandon has done really well, though, is allowed people to actually have these conversations in public in front of people, which in a way can bring people together.

00:14:17.540 So I appreciate the opportunity to be on those debates.

00:14:19.620 I had a lot of fun.

00:14:20.580 And I think it's healthy to have a dialogue.

00:14:23.040 It is.

00:14:23.820 By the way, Charlie Kirk would have been proud.

00:14:24.980 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:25.480 I do question doing it like right before the election the way they did it.

00:14:30.260 I've agreed I'm going to Turning Point this year.

00:14:32.880 I'm very excited to be on the marquee.

00:14:34.520 And they've said, I'm going to do a debate, and I don't know the topic or who the other participants are, but I'm going to summon my inner Charlie Kirk and go with a cheerful attitude and with all the facts.

00:14:47.160 The conversations. We have to have the conversations.

00:14:48.680 What makes us different than the left is that the left, they don't tolerate debate.

00:14:52.320 They don't tolerate conversations.

00:14:53.640 You either agree with them.

00:14:55.160 Or you're an oppressor.

00:14:56.060 Yeah, or you're all the names that they call us.

00:14:59.120 And so what's healthy on our side is that we don't have to agree with each other all the time on everything.

00:15:02.360 We can have disagreements on policy.

00:15:04.120 But the one place that I don't deviate from, the one truth that they can call me a cult member, they can call me brainwashed, is I think President Trump is the best president of my lifetime twice.

00:15:14.320 Totally.

00:15:14.700 And I think he's done more than enough to be able to stand with his chest out and say promises made, promises kept.

00:15:20.420 And the promises keep coming.

00:15:21.920 And then the fulfillment of those promises keep coming.

00:15:25.200 And so—

00:15:25.520 We've got to get the peace thing sorted out.

00:15:27.980 But can you—I mean, what can you do?

00:15:29.600 Well, you only control so much, right?

00:15:30.840 But I mean, yeah, Trump cannot just like send a memo to Vladimir Putin and expect full compliance, nor anyone in the Middle East.

00:15:38.780 But I mean, I do think Americans want to see a more peaceful world.

00:15:43.640 And I think there are a lot of people who voted for Donald Trump because they saw he brought us that in his first term.

00:15:49.220 And the guy doesn't control the rotation of the earth around the sun, but he does lead the free world.

00:15:57.020 And I would like it to be a free, peaceful world.

00:15:59.480 Well, I mean, let's talk about that because it's an important point.

00:16:03.820 President Trump is putting things in place that's going to make for a more peaceful world.

00:16:08.300 And we talked about the Western Hemisphere last week.

00:16:10.280 We talked about Brazil being the biggest piece of the puzzle to securing our hemisphere for the cause of conservatism.

00:16:15.740 And it looks like Flavio Bolsonaro, fingers crossed, will win and fingers crossed that Lula will let him assume power.

00:16:22.040 But when you look at what President Trump has done just in our hemisphere with securing allies south of the border,

00:16:27.720 the things he's doing now will secure peace in the world. 0.86

00:16:31.100 Making Iran, regardless of whether you agree or not with the war, 0.98

00:16:34.120 a weaker Iran and a weaker Russia and a weaker China 0.80

00:16:37.440 and having allies that kind of all have been in bed with each other,

00:16:40.600 the whole BRICS movement.

00:16:41.480 Do you think China's weaker right now?

00:16:43.080 I do. I do. I do think China's weaker.

00:16:44.900 Because before President Trump, when Joe Biden's auto pen was president,

00:16:49.040 BRICS was getting stronger. 0.95

00:16:50.540 And they were threatening, you know, a lot of the economic sovereignty of the United States.

00:16:54.520 BRICS now is about to lose B.

00:16:56.400 So, yeah, I do think China's weaker.

00:16:58.340 They have to make partnerships.

00:16:59.720 They're getting all this cheap energy, David.

00:17:01.180 They're getting it from Russia.

00:17:03.960 They're getting it from Russia.

00:17:05.280 It's a leveraged buyout.

00:17:06.860 The more we sanction energy in Iran and Russia, the more it strengthens China's hand.

00:17:12.200 And they have been able to grow their economy faster than they did previously. 0.54

00:17:17.400 And I'm not someone who, like, believes that for America to win, China's economy has to stop.

00:17:21.860 I think that we're like two major forces in global trade, and it's probably better if we both do well.

00:17:28.920 But I don't see China as weaker, and I don't see Iran as weaker.

00:17:32.420 The reason I don't see Iran as weaker today is because they have demonstrated a capability to the world, which we did not believe they had.

00:17:41.320 There was not a certainty that Iran had denial capability in the Straits of Hormuz. 0.91

00:17:45.900 Now we know they do. 0.99

00:17:46.780 If you don't believe me, we could put up the cargo ships that are getting blown up.

00:17:51.060 But true, but we still, the United States Navy's blockade of the Strait of Hormuz has been largely successful.

00:17:57.320 So what?

00:17:58.760 David, so what?

00:18:00.160 I don't give two wicks about the U.S. blockade.

00:18:04.260 But also the Iranian dollar, the Iranian currency is worth almost nothing now.

00:18:08.300 So what?

00:18:09.440 The IRGC commanders are dead.

00:18:11.560 So what?

00:18:12.500 I don't care. 0.99

00:18:13.800 But I'm just saying Iran is weaker, is my point. 0.64

00:18:16.360 Do you think that losing the 70-something-year-old Ayatollah and replacing them with a 40-something-year-old Ayatollah made them weaker?

00:18:25.200 Do you think that trading one batch of GC generals for another batch made them weaker?

00:18:29.680 I see a country that is rallying around the flag right now in Iran, which is bad. 0.64

00:18:34.200 I see an Iranian military that has denial capability in the Straits. 0.56

00:18:37.960 And the Houthis are getting all fired up.

00:18:39.980 And while you can just be like, oh, the Houthis, who has been able to kill these people? 0.93

00:18:44.340 Oh, I'm not rolling my eyes at all the Houthis.

00:18:45.960 I think the Houthis are going to find themselves in a difficult position.

00:18:49.380 They've killed an American at a Saudi airport.

00:18:51.460 And I think nothing's going to happen until after the election.

00:18:53.720 I think President Trump is going to say, look, but do you know...

00:18:55.880 Do you want them to drop the Moab?

00:18:58.680 Where are they going to drop it? On the nuclear side? 0.80

00:19:00.120 Tehran. They're going to drop it on... Well, maybe Pickaxe Mountain.

00:19:02.680 Yeah, that's what I think.

00:19:03.700 By the way, there are some who would believe if we just drop a Moab or a nuclear weapon on Tehran, 0.51

00:19:09.680 all our problems would be solved.

00:19:10.900 Yeah, I think that's a bad idea.

00:19:11.500 Which is crazy.

00:19:12.280 But I don't think President Trump, look, I think believing that President Trump will do whatever he wants is a good thing for American security.

00:19:20.920 But at the same time, I don't view President Trump as being a reckless person who just, you know, flies, you know, just like bombs things.

00:19:27.960 We've seen restraint. We've seen tremendous restraint from President Trump, actually.

00:19:31.180 And we've seen a lot of effort being put towards diplomacy. He really wanted that deal.

00:19:34.540 He wants a deal. He wants the MOU.

00:19:36.300 Look, Trump wants us to be a stronger country.

00:19:38.920 He wants our prices to go down. He wants our gas to be affordable.

00:19:41.820 And he doesn't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon, which is totally reasonable. 0.93

00:19:45.360 And I think that like the 12-day war approach where like maybe every decade or two we got to fly over to really high altitude and bomb some stuff. 0.98

00:19:52.520 I'm cool with that.

00:19:53.420 I'm not as excited about some of the pitches that I think are being made to the Trump administration that so far have been unrequited.

00:20:02.140 And I hope they stay that way.

00:20:03.160 Let's talk some politics.

00:20:03.920 I want to get into these key Senate races because I think that they're going to say a lot about the direction of the country.

00:20:12.680 I am surprised. We're going to throw up the polymarket prediction market on the Michigan Senate race.

00:20:17.360 First, Abdul Al-Sayed, a 69% chance, according to Polymarket, to win this election, Mike Rogers, at 32%.

00:20:27.680 In a state as close as Michigan that always gets decided by like 10,000 votes, I did not expect a market to be this lopsided.

00:20:37.480 David, go into political consultant mode for me and tell me, your Mike Rogers campaign, you're looking at numbers like this.

00:20:44.860 How do you flip those odds in two or three weeks?

00:20:47.840 And look, and I love Polymarket.

00:20:49.500 I think Polymarket had a lot of these feelings polls, which I call them, because people put their money behind their feelings.

00:20:55.240 They're like, yeah, I feel like, I feel like LCA is going to win, right?

00:20:58.960 So I'm going to put some money, you know, so I think people put their money behind what they think is going to happen.

00:21:03.940 They're not polls like that are typically conducted by these organizations that go out and poll people.

00:21:07.540 Not a poll, a prediction.

00:21:09.160 Prediction, right.

00:21:09.840 Sure.

00:21:10.160 So they're different.

00:21:10.400 So you can't look at a prediction as a poll.

00:21:12.140 uh i we've seen these predictions shift though as we get closer and further away you know as you

00:21:18.400 start seeing some numbers come back they shift and i think i want people to believe that it's

00:21:23.760 going to be that different and republicans have to show up and vote vote vote vote i refuse to

00:21:27.860 believe that that many people in michigan statewide that much that many people think

00:21:31.960 that somebody whose sister uh supports the muslim brotherhood whose mother helped work for an

00:21:37.480 organization that supported al-Qaeda and and Osama bin Laden like I have to believe the people of

00:21:43.600 Michigan think that's probably not a person we'd want somebody with dual citizenship with Egypt

00:21:48.300 even though he claims well I really don't have dual citizenship even though he put it on his

00:21:51.780 resume you're against people with dual citizenship no I'm just saying if you lie about being a dual

00:21:55.920 citizenship it's on Egypt and you lie about having any family ties to the Muslim Brotherhood when

00:22:01.420 you lie about all of that and you're like well what about this and you're like well that's you

00:22:05.320 You know, when he lies about his relationship with Hassan Piker, who thinks America deserved 9-11, you know, he keeps going, oh, well, the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America.

00:22:14.540 They're like, yeah, we love this guy.

00:22:16.000 And he's a Democratic Socialist like us.

00:22:17.460 He's like, no, they just like me.

00:22:19.400 Every single thing that you can bring up about this guy, he denies.

00:22:23.260 And yet I can't believe that 80 or 70 percent of Michigan voters don't believe him.

00:22:27.900 So I have to think it is probably much closer than what the prediction market holds.

00:22:31.840 At least I hope.

00:22:33.340 Do you think Mike Rogers has run a good campaign?

00:22:35.320 I think Mike Rogers has run a Republican campaign.

00:22:37.820 It sort of feels like a Republican David Jolly campaign to me.

00:22:42.160 Yeah, it's a Republican campaign.

00:22:43.500 Yeah, there's no real, like, juice to the Mike Rogers campaign, unfortunately.

00:22:48.480 You know, Matt?

00:22:49.040 And, like, I worry that outside is more interesting.

00:22:51.200 You are correct.

00:22:52.360 I will not deny that for a second.

00:22:53.620 Now, his ties to the Muslim Brotherhood or Hassan Piker or the Democratic Socialist.

00:22:58.180 Interesting in a bad way, to be clear.

00:23:00.220 Yeah, that makes him interesting.

00:23:01.900 But that's the issue that Republicans have.

00:23:04.340 and this is going to be a real issue going forward is can we find candidates that are as exciting

00:23:11.280 as El Saeed? Can we find candidates that are as exciting as AOC? Can we find candidates that are

00:23:17.040 as exciting as James Tallarico? As crazy as he is, he's different. And young voters who feel like,

00:23:23.280 you know, F you government, you've never done anything for me. My life isn't getting any better.

00:23:26.560 I can't buy a house. They might go with different and interesting the same way they broke for

00:23:31.060 president trump so unless we can find our own different and interesting and if we keep running

00:23:35.480 these same republican campaigns which i think mike rogers have ran a fine republican campaign

00:23:40.060 we're not running against democrats anymore we're running against el saeed and so we have to do our

00:23:45.200 politics a little differently yeah and i don't think he did and i think if mike rogers loses

00:23:49.320 this race yeah it may be because there wasn't very much that we learned that was interesting

00:23:54.260 about mike rogers well but look let's that might that might be the reason i hope it's not i would

00:23:58.680 vote for Mike Rogers, even though I have strong disagreements with his views on many, many

00:24:02.380 things. You mentioned Tallarico. Paxton's the guy I'm fired up about. If you said to

00:24:10.340 me, who out of all the Republicans running for the United States Senate are you most

00:24:14.160 fired up about, it would be Ken Paxton by a long shot. This guy was the best state-level

00:24:19.040 attorney general in the country. He was the tip of the spear on immigration, election

00:24:23.720 integrity health care personal freedom he's the border standing up to joe biden putting up the 0.92

00:24:30.000 the razor wire you know and he's the guy's a maha king he has gone after polluters and like 0.90

00:24:36.780 the the suburban female vote should be following this guy like he's the pied piper 0.98

00:24:41.680 if there is any place where i think the dynamic we were talking about earlier about the hidden 1.00

00:24:47.360 MAGA voter is pronounced, maybe Texas. Yeah. Yeah. Some of those Texans might just not be

00:24:53.440 interested in talking about it. And let me make this point about this market and then I'll,

00:24:57.980 I'll yield. Everybody wants to blame like the populist right-wing conservatives for backing

00:25:05.360 Paxton instead of Cornyn, the incumbent. And they say, well, like, this is the reason that we're,

00:25:10.940 we're down. It's because like you backed this guy, John Cornyn spent a hundred million dollars

00:25:15.620 in special interest and lobbyist money calling Ken Paxton a criminal.

00:25:19.780 So, like, we do this to ourselves.

00:25:22.480 This is why we can't have nice things.

00:25:24.780 The establishment went and falsely smeared Ken Paxton,

00:25:28.860 and now it's a deeper hole because of them.

00:25:30.880 And they will blame us after.

00:25:32.560 I swear to God, they will blame people like me who love Ken Paxton,

00:25:36.140 platform Ken Paxton, encouraged President Trump to endorse Ken Paxton.

00:25:39.040 And really, I think the blame falls with the Republican Senatorial Committee.

00:25:43.100 Well, and this is honestly going to be the big fight heading into 2028.

00:25:49.540 And 2026 is what I've said before.

00:25:51.580 2026 is really going to be the ammunition that the establishment uses in 2028 to take out President Trump.

00:25:57.880 We can't deny the fact that there's a lot of people, the Chris Christies of the world, the Nikki Haley's of the world, the ones that are sitting back, you know, the...

00:26:05.820 You think Nikki Haley comes back?

00:26:07.480 No, but I think she's certainly going to advocate for whoever's anti-MAGA.

00:26:10.400 You think Nikki Haley-ism comes back?

00:26:12.900 Yeah, of course.

00:26:13.660 Absolutely.

00:26:14.020 I mean, we've already seen it.

00:26:14.780 And even Mike Pence.

00:26:16.580 Like, when you see these people showing up, the Meghan McCains, the Mike Pence's, any opportunity they have to dig the president, they're taking it.

00:26:22.660 You know who I think will be that person in 2028?

00:26:26.340 Don Bacon.

00:26:26.960 I think Don Bacon, the Republican congressman from Omaha.

00:26:29.900 Can you find a Republican that people hate more than him?

00:26:32.240 He wants to run for president.

00:26:33.960 He has said so.

00:26:35.320 He is a retired general.

00:26:38.360 And I think he's going to run.

00:26:40.300 And I think he's not going for the viewers of David Pollack primetime or the Matt Gaetz show.

00:26:45.640 I think he is going for the John Cornyn voters and people of that ilk.

00:26:51.000 And his hope is that he can cobble together enough to be on the debate stage and maybe catch fire.

00:26:55.320 Now, you know what's interesting about that, Matt?

00:26:56.600 Do you think the John Cornyn voters even exist anymore?

00:27:00.220 Well, I mean, the guy got, you know, the guy, what, did you get, you know, 40-ish something in the first go of it in the primary there?

00:27:08.720 So, yeah, I do think there still is, like, a Mitt Romney, John McCain, Larry Hogan voter in our party.

00:27:17.020 I think those people held their nose and voted for Donald Trump because they wanted his policies.

00:27:21.300 They wanted the low taxes.

00:27:22.800 They wanted the promising regulatory environment.

00:27:25.500 So I do think they're there.

00:27:27.100 They are not a plurality by any stretch.

00:27:31.220 But somebody's going to go after those votes because there'll be so many more people chasing what is the plurality of the vote, which is the Trump voter.

00:27:37.340 I think J.D. Vance is uniquely suited to get both because he's Trump's policies without Trump.

00:27:44.440 And I think that's OK. And I'm not knocking Trump. I think I think Trump is Trump.

00:27:48.660 And it needed Trump needs to be who he is in order to be successful in the times we live in.

00:27:53.120 But I think the mistake would be and we've seen this. We've seen this fail so many times.

00:27:57.480 The mistake would be to get a MAGA conservative act like Trump because that's what they think the voters want.

00:28:02.960 The voters love Trump because he's Trump, and they love his policies because they're conservative.

00:28:08.300 Now, you take somebody like J.D. Vance, who's less Trump but full MAGA, and I think you have a bigger bridge for those court voters.

00:28:14.520 So you think you are bullish on the breadth of the J.D. Vance coalition?

00:28:19.200 Yeah, I think if you want to win in 2028, you double down on MAGA.

00:28:24.120 Republicans don't want to double down on MAGA, the establishment of the Republican Party, and this is where you get Mike Rogers-type campaigns from.

00:28:31.240 So what we need to do is ensure that we're running MAGA forward campaigns.

00:28:36.660 It doesn't have to be with President Trump at the top of the ticket,

00:28:38.940 but look at every time you've tried in this country,

00:28:41.820 the Republicans have tried to run a campaign separate from President Trump.

00:28:45.440 We've seen this in the 2022 midterms, or I'm sorry, yeah, 2022 midterms.

00:28:49.560 We saw this in the 2018 midterms.

00:28:52.620 Every time they're like, well, I support Donald Trump, but I kind of don't.

00:28:56.660 They lose every single time.

00:28:58.260 And if you look at all the success of the Trump endorsed candidates who go 100 percent behind President Trump, they win.

00:29:04.380 This is why President Trump's barnstorming the country right now, trying to say, hey, these guys are with me.

00:29:08.580 I'm not on the ticket, but I kind of am.

00:29:10.620 It's different than any other midterm approach.

00:29:13.100 So in 2028, if we don't double down on MAGA, we're going to have the same result as every other time when we didn't.

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00:29:50.500 Let's get that 2028 market up on the screen.

00:29:53.120 J.D. Vance leading at 22%.

00:29:56.120 Gavin Newsom at 14%. John Ossoff and Marco Rubio at 13%. AOC at 12%. So we've made the case kind of

00:30:04.700 either way on Vance. The second up is Rubio at 13%. Now, there was a time period when Rubio had

00:30:11.680 eclipsed Vance in some of these. Here's what's interesting about that. If you go back and look

00:30:16.260 at these markets, when the Iran war starts, Rubio shoots up and Vance recedes somewhat because it's

00:30:23.560 zero sum. Well, now that we've had this taste of the war in our mouth for a little bit,

00:30:29.240 Vance is ascendant, Rubio at 13%. Is it too reductive of me to draw that correlation?

00:30:35.540 Well, remember what? Remember these are prediction markets.

00:30:37.860 Oh, stop.

00:30:38.540 No, I mean that. But people are predicting who they think is going to win. Well,

00:30:41.780 what did Marco Rubio say? If J.D. Vance is the guy, I'm not going to run against him. It's

00:30:46.180 well known that Marco Rubio says, I'm not going to run against J.D. Vance.

00:30:49.680 Oh, sure. They're great friends.

00:30:51.240 Correct.

00:30:51.400 So if I'm putting money behind who I think is going to win, I'm not going to put money behind the guy who says I'm not going to run if this guy runs.

00:30:57.680 And so I think as a prediction market, that makes a whole lot of sense.

00:31:02.260 If Vance is the nominee, in your mind, is it pre-baked Rubio gets first right of refusal on VP?

00:31:08.380 I think that would be the smartest name in the world because Marco Rubio has been the best secretary of state I've seen in my lifetime.

00:31:14.840 And I think he would make an excellent president.

00:31:16.840 And I think he's even shown his loyalty to say, even though most voters, as you saw, a good share of MAGA voters thought he would make an excellent president.

00:31:24.260 And he still said, I'm loyal to the cause, which shows he's going to make an even better president after two terms of J.D. Vance and after two terms as vice president of the United States.

00:31:33.540 I think we could be building a MAGA dynasty.

00:31:36.440 I'm having fun with this.

00:31:37.240 So I'm just going to I'm going to probe you with this additional hypothetical.

00:31:40.420 Let's assume Rubio takes a pass on VP.

00:31:42.620 Doesn't want to do it.

00:31:43.480 Has other things going on in his life.

00:31:45.020 Go and have a family life for once.

00:31:46.840 Who do you like to go with Vance?

00:31:50.200 Who's out there?

00:31:51.440 Give me, like, a David Pollock hotboard.

00:31:53.140 Gosh, isn't that the best?

00:31:56.260 It's hard.

00:31:57.340 Because I think the next generation of MAGA, the people who would make a good VP,

00:32:01.260 I think they're running for Congress right now.

00:32:03.680 And so I don't, I can't look back.

00:32:05.900 You don't like the governors?

00:32:06.800 You don't like, like, a DeSantis?

00:32:08.080 You don't like, like, a Sarah Huckabee?

00:32:10.400 I think Sarah Huckabee is fantastic.

00:32:12.160 John Kennedy and Louisiana's been making some noise.

00:32:14.140 John Kennedy's awesome as well.

00:32:15.400 the problem is and it's great to have like a really funny vice president you know Sarah

00:32:20.100 Huckabee Sanders would would be actually it's a it's a really good choice she's great she's great

00:32:23.920 um I love Ron DeSantis as a governor don't get me wrong I feel like when he ran against President

00:32:28.980 Trump though in 2020 and the way he ran against him I think that hurts him a little bit with the

00:32:33.060 MAGA base and I think if you had a ticket a Ron DeSantis versus J.D. Vance ticket I feel like

00:32:38.620 because of the way maybe it'll change but I have a feeling he's running for 28 too you think he's

00:32:42.860 going to skip. Oh, yeah. Ron DeSantis is running for president. So that happens, David. I mean,

00:32:47.700 like you look at George Bush and Ronald Reagan. You look at Gore and Clinton both had run. I mean,

00:32:55.740 there are times when you get multiple contestants. I think Kerry Edwards both ran against one another.

00:33:01.680 But DeSantis ran so aggressively against Donald Trump in 2020. Oh, you think it's about the tone?

00:33:06.620 And that's the thing. I mean, if you were on social media during the 2020 campaign, it was

00:33:10.480 It was the people with the alligators logos, just brutal, brutal on MAGA people.

00:33:16.220 It was a war.

00:33:17.360 It was a world war.

00:33:18.760 And yes, DeSantis finally came along, and now Trump and DeSantis get along just fine.

00:33:23.800 But if he runs for president in 28, he's going to have to run against MAGA again because J.D. Vance is the MAGA nominee.

00:33:30.280 And it would shock me if Trump didn't endorse J.D. Vance.

00:33:33.360 And so if that happened, if J.D. Vance had the Trump endorsement and Ron DeSantis ran against him, how are you going to go and take all of that anger that's going to inevitably be tied to that campaign and say, OK, cool, let's make him vice president?

00:33:44.300 I don't see it happening.

00:33:45.300 Dude, ambition is a great neutralizer to anger if you believe adding someone will help you get there.

00:33:50.460 But I think your initial analysis is the right analysis.

00:33:53.220 The team that gets you there is Vance Rubio.

00:33:55.220 Yeah.

00:33:55.480 That is the team that gets you there.

00:33:56.740 Because the people who are not 100% full MAGA like Rubio.

00:34:00.000 Let's go to the Dems.

00:34:01.600 Newsom on top, no surprise.

00:34:03.780 He's been flaunting his ambition for the job.

00:34:08.060 John Ossoff, 13%.

00:34:10.440 John Ossoff moving up the board for Democrats.

00:34:12.840 I have a theory on the John Ossoff hive in the Democrat movement.

00:34:18.560 They are this desperate for an actual man.

00:34:20.860 Like, John Ossoff is, like, a handsome, tall, like, dude.

00:34:25.320 He's, like, a real guy.

00:34:26.560 He's not one of these, like, namby-pambys.

00:34:29.300 He's not James Tallarico, okay?

00:34:31.100 there's like a big difference between the two. And I think there's at least an appreciation

00:34:36.520 among some Democrat voters that like the most masculine force in the Democratic Party can't 0.99

00:34:41.920 be trans women. Well, so that's very interesting. And just as we talk about our own side, you know, 0.99

00:34:47.700 of, you know, the establishment versus MAGA and all this stuff, you have to look at the Democrat

00:34:52.340 side too, because they're having a civil war. It's just not being talked about because we have

00:34:55.440 a fake news media that only highlights a division on the right, not the left. But there's a real

00:35:00.420 concern on the Democrat establishment about the rise of these Democratic Socialists. And the

00:35:04.940 difference is, where our establishment is trying to kind of crawl out of the grave and take control

00:35:09.720 over the Republican, the MAGA version of the Republican Party, the Democratic Socialists of

00:35:14.000 America, they're the ones who are actually becoming what, you know, MAGA was to the Republican base.

00:35:18.940 And that has the establishment and the Democrat side very nervous. And when you look at this poll,

00:35:23.780 for example, you talked about in Michigan, you talked about El Saeed versus Mike Rogers.

00:35:26.700 When you look at these candidates, and if you look at John Ossoff, right, the regular man guy, the Democrat establishment is going to want that, but the Democrat voter—

00:35:40.160 They want AOC.

00:35:41.000 They want AOC. 1.00

00:35:41.980 Why is she down so low?

00:35:42.900 Is this—I mean, we are not giving investment advice, full disclaimer, but is that the value bet on this board, AOC at 12%? 0.56

00:35:50.920 I think if AOC said she was going to run—

00:35:53.200 She's run.

00:35:53.660 Oh, by the way.

00:35:54.200 She's been denying it, though.

00:35:55.160 Let me tell you.

00:35:55.780 I agree with you, but she's been denying it.

00:35:57.460 Remember, if I'm betting—

00:35:58.720 She wanted to run in 24, but I'm not going to put money behind somebody who hasn't expressed a clear interest in running.

00:36:04.880 And as soon as you do, the money goes up.

00:36:06.740 I think if AOC says she's running, I think she's done enough.

00:36:09.520 The value bet, because, like, you figure, what, maybe 50% chance the Democrats win.

00:36:13.540 So 50-50 country, right?

00:36:14.660 And if it's AOC, who's going to beat her? 0.69

00:36:16.400 I don't think any of these dudes—I don't think Gavin Newsom and John Ossoff are going to beat her.

00:36:20.180 No.

00:36:20.320 Like, I would put Stephen A. Smith on this list, like, above John Ossoff, probably.

00:36:26.420 Well, and this is going to be awesome to watch.

00:36:28.900 As long as we could stop, you know, our circular firing squad and shooting at each other and just sit back and laugh while the Democratic Party literally destroys themselves over socialism versus the Democratic Party, we might be the victors in that if we get behind our candidates early.

00:36:43.600 Some candidates that are concerned are the Republicans running for the House.

00:36:47.560 Let's get the U.S. House midterm winner market on the board.

00:36:51.220 Ouch, David.

00:36:52.660 90-10.

00:36:54.300 Say it ain't so.

00:36:55.800 Well, again.

00:36:56.820 Don't.

00:36:57.360 If you're a betting guy.

00:36:58.700 I'm just saying.

00:36:59.540 If you're a betting guy.

00:37:00.180 You like the 10% here?

00:37:01.580 I think we're better than that. 0.96

00:37:02.840 But historically, almost every—

00:37:05.040 You predicted a win.

00:37:06.500 I still think.

00:37:07.040 I assume you're on your way to the bank now to get a mortgage out on the house to put it all on.

00:37:12.420 This would be one of those—

00:37:13.040 10x your money, David.

00:37:13.860 This would be one of those times—

00:37:14.740 10x your money.

00:37:15.540 There'll be one of those times where I'm like, man, I should have listened to myself.

00:37:18.200 Oh, my gosh.

00:37:19.060 It will be worse for you if the Republicans win because I will troll you into oblivion over the fact that you called it and didn't bet it.

00:37:26.460 Well, here's what I think.

00:37:27.640 I don't know if – I don't think it's Republicans, 60 Democrats, 40 certainly.

00:37:32.640 It's 90-10 on the prediction mark.

00:37:34.040 I don't think it's 90-10, but I do believe if I'm going to put money behind a prediction, historically speaking, the party not in power wins the midterms almost every single time.

00:37:42.000 So if I'm going to put my money where the logic is, and remember, investors are smart people.

00:37:46.320 Investors bet on what they think will win, right?

00:37:49.080 Investors don't gamble.

00:37:50.660 And so the prediction markets track what smart people do with their money.

00:37:54.020 And smart people are betting that history holds up.

00:37:56.800 And if you look at the media, there's a lot of support for that.

00:37:59.120 If you look at the polling, there's a lot of support for that.

00:38:01.440 I don't think it's 90-10.

00:38:03.660 I think it's closer to maybe 60-40, 70-30.

00:38:05.740 Do you have a number that you think the Democrat majority will be at this stage?

00:38:09.600 If they win, it'll be very close.

00:38:11.460 I think six, seven seats.

00:38:12.740 I don't think it'll be a bloodbath.

00:38:15.120 I think double digits.

00:38:16.340 You think?

00:38:16.760 Yeah.

00:38:17.080 Well, I just see that more and more money is getting spent on our side of the 50-yard line.

00:38:22.400 I see more and more contests in deep red cities. 0.83

00:38:24.900 There was just a ton of money poured into Nancy Mace's old seat in Charleston.

00:38:28.580 It's always been kind of purple, but we've always won it.

00:38:31.500 I hate that, by the way.

00:38:32.620 I think that's one of the Republicans' weakest moves is money.

00:38:35.520 We have no problems raising money.

00:38:37.140 We have no problems spending money.

00:38:38.420 We have a problem putting money in its most effective place.

00:38:41.180 And if you think sending Republican voters, if they're not showing up, sending them 300 text messages and 90 mailers is not how you're going to win this election.

00:38:50.420 Take that money and raise a grassroots army.

00:38:53.100 That's what the Democrats do with their money.

00:38:54.760 We just send mailers and text messages.

00:38:56.260 That's what Charlie Kirk did with his money.

00:38:57.360 Right.

00:38:58.260 Right.

00:38:58.740 You know what I mean?

00:38:59.140 Charlie understood that.

00:39:00.360 Correct.

00:39:00.680 The way to build this thing durably was not, like, give Karl Rove another $50 million for a super PAC.

00:39:06.760 It's to build a vertically integrated system of voter contact, ballot chase, leadership development, and broad spectrum communications.

00:39:17.160 I've got a fun one for you.

00:39:19.000 All right.

00:39:19.400 Time a person of the year.

00:39:22.580 Zoran Mamdani, leading the list.

00:39:25.560 Your boy, Zoran.

00:39:27.800 Pope Leo, we hope he gets well.

00:39:30.860 I guess he's had some health issues. 0.58

00:39:32.000 16% AI.

00:39:33.940 Can AI win person of the year?

00:39:36.320 It's interesting it's even up there.

00:39:37.860 Netanyahu, Xi Jinping, and DJT.

00:39:40.020 I mean, obviously, I like DJT to win it.

00:39:42.800 But what do you think about AI being on the list as, like, person of the year, your chatbot?

00:39:47.540 I think it's interesting that it's there.

00:39:51.420 And I think it's there for, you know, just to highlight its significance in the year.

00:39:54.860 I don't think they'll make it person of the year only because it doesn't fit a political narrative.

00:39:59.540 But they love that.

00:40:00.420 Yeah.

00:40:00.680 They love that.

00:40:01.200 Like, didn't they give, like, the protester, like, time person of the year?

00:40:04.780 They just have to find, it has to fit a political narrative, right?

00:40:07.520 Which is why I think Mandani will be the person of the year because it fits their narrative

00:40:10.820 that there's this rise of the non-Christian, non-white person in America. 0.85

00:40:16.180 And maybe Mandani is the person of the year. 0.95

00:40:17.820 By the way, if you can run for like mayor of New York and just go on an all-out assault

00:40:23.440 on Jewish people and win, maybe you are a person of the year. 0.92

00:40:26.820 It's crazy. 0.96

00:40:27.180 Because look what came after Mandani, right? 1.00

00:40:29.360 He's proven that a Muslim who doesn't really care about America too much, it seems, 1.00

00:40:34.780 can win in a place like New York as a Democratic Socialist, 0.99

00:40:39.380 make all these promises, keep none of them, and still be popular.

00:40:42.680 And then not only that, after he proved the model,

00:40:45.160 look how many Democratic Socialists rose to power after him.

00:40:47.640 So he might be the person of the year.

00:40:49.220 It's not a good thing, but he might be.

00:40:50.480 I had not thought about that.

00:40:51.980 I always kind of viewed Bernie as the front end of the wave.

00:40:54.900 But you're right.

00:40:55.760 Like, this is the ascendant moment.

00:40:57.680 Bernie's been running around doing this for a long time,

00:40:59.740 and all he kind of got was AOC and a few squad members.

00:41:01.980 like Zoran has kicked off mayoral victories for socialists, primary victories in Congress,

00:41:10.440 and he's got a lot to say about the future of the Democratic Party. And we wonder whether

00:41:15.660 or not we'll get some of those disaffected Democrats coming our way. Well, it depends

00:41:19.380 on how we are. If we learn from President Trump and we employ the MAGA strategy and we lead with

00:41:24.840 policy, we will get some disaffected Democrat voters. If we go to the same garbage we've done 0.89

00:41:29.440 every single time Trump isn't on the ballot. Yeah. You just can't trot out your like 1980s 0.95

00:41:35.140 talking points anymore. It's a different party. It's a different movement. And they're same

00:41:38.240 Republicans though. Yeah. Yeah. Literally some of the same people. David Pollack, thanks so much

00:41:42.380 for joining me. Make sure to catch you out. Check out David Pollack primetime at 10 o'clock Eastern

00:41:46.780 here on One American News. If it's too late for you, just set your DVR. It is a lovely wake up

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