The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - October 26, 2026


The Anchormen Show EP 171 - Surviving MK-Ultra

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00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and pearson sharp
00:00:11.180 welcome back to another episode of the anchorman show i'm matt gates i host the matt gates show
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00:01:13.060 561-717-6794. That's 561-717-6794. Pearson, it is great to have you here, and I am so stoked
00:01:23.800 about our guest today, Dr. Juliette Engel.
00:01:26.980 Juliette has appeared on One America News previously,
00:01:29.520 and we have a big project coming
00:01:31.180 that I am not going to tell you about.
00:01:33.140 It is a surprise, and you will know
00:01:35.120 when we are good and ready,
00:01:36.520 but we've been in the lab, Dr. Engel and I.
00:01:39.900 We've talked about it, I'm excited.
00:01:40.380 We have been in the lab, we're very pumped,
00:01:42.260 but we wanted to have her on to chat a little bit
00:01:44.920 about her experiences as a physician,
00:01:47.980 as someone who is a rescuer of those
00:01:50.860 who've been subjected to horrific abuses
00:01:52.800 around the world and as a survivor of the mk ultra program and for our viewers who are not as
00:01:59.060 obsessed with this topic as pearson and i are the mk ultra program was a program that our own
00:02:05.040 government developed our our intelligence apparatus in the 1953 yeah in the 1950s
00:02:11.640 and the purpose of the program was to generate an army of spies and assassins that could be
00:02:19.940 controlled by the U.S. government and deployed around the world. And the mechanism for creating
00:02:27.020 an assassin was to find highly intelligent people, highly intelligent children, and then subject them
00:02:34.580 to ritualistic, horrific torture of a variety of forms. And then the combination of that intelligence
00:02:42.500 and that torture could allegedly create a dissociative state where you would build your
00:02:48.800 assassin or your spy or your killer. Dr. Engel, thanks so much for being here. Did I get most of
00:02:54.480 that right? That was the perfect description of what it is. Starting right at birth, the most
00:03:01.480 severe trauma that you can inflict on a child is sexual trauma. And the child handles, if they can
00:03:09.160 handle it at all, handles the trauma by splitting it into compartmentalized sections. And that
00:03:17.680 creates what they call dissociative identity disorder, where you actually forget the trauma,
00:03:23.440 but it's there in a box. And then later on, the handler wants to activate rage, wants to activate
00:03:30.180 revenge, wants to activate the assassin in the person. They know how to trigger that particular
00:03:37.700 location, that box. That's a theory. I don't... You're programming a human being.
00:03:43.060 You're programming a human being.
00:03:44.580 Right. By destroying their mind. Now, Dr. Eagle wrote a book about this experience.
00:03:49.600 It is entitled Sparky Surviving Sex Magic by Dr. Juliet Engel.
00:03:56.080 And so when you're when we talk about this training for being a spy or being an assassin, 0.69
00:04:03.000 my suspicion is that the sex magic is more on the spy side, that training young women to seduce 0.97
00:04:13.120 and exploit and compromise men
00:04:17.680 would give any government a lot of power, wouldn't it? 0.98
00:04:21.660 Yes, and that's exactly what the program
00:04:25.540 that I was put in at the age of seven
00:04:27.340 because they determined that I was very smart,
00:04:30.620 very psychic, and I was a pretty little girl.
00:04:32.580 And so they started training me at seven
00:04:36.140 to be able to seduce strangers,
00:04:39.180 men I didn't even know,
00:04:40.160 and get them compromised in photographs so that they could be blackmailed.
00:04:45.960 I mean, they started us out doing this at Disneyland,
00:04:48.420 so the training went on for several years.
00:04:51.620 But they also used the sex magic spies as assassins
00:04:56.380 or setting up political targets for assassination. 0.92
00:04:59.900 That's one of the things that is done.
00:05:05.200 I want to say I bought your book, and I started reading it,
00:05:10.160 and I had to stop reading it really I'm very sorry what you described in the first chapter
00:05:17.040 was so horrific I couldn't continue to imagine that happening to you to other little girls
00:05:26.060 I have two little girls four years old and two years old and maybe that just hit too hard but
00:05:33.420 it was unbelievable and I'm I'm so sorry that you went through that I can't imagine it um
00:05:39.760 what our government is capable of is astonishing well and pearson just to just to bring our audience
00:05:46.840 in you know in that first chapter dr engel is describing uh how her own family would sell her
00:05:55.180 at a young age to any man passing by to a government program even to a school system
00:06:02.280 And what I had a real hard time wrapping my head around is this premise that in the MK Ultra program, this government spy training, assassin training program, that the intel community used their own children as the guinea pigs.
00:06:21.840 Can you talk about your own family history and how actually the worst abuses were inflicted on some of these people's own family?
00:06:31.440 Your father. Oh, my God.
00:06:34.180 Well, it was explained to me.
00:06:36.980 I was sold to Vito Polakis, who was running the MK program in this area, actually, when I was six years old.
00:06:46.780 And they made me watch when my father took money.
00:06:50.280 And then Vito molested me in front of him.
00:06:54.960 And I was crying out to my father.
00:06:57.000 My father turned to me and said, this is what I raised you for.
00:06:59.260 and I've heard other survivors went through exactly the same process and their fathers said
00:07:05.580 the same thing and and so it was a a scripted event and then when I was in the program I was
00:07:15.400 six years old starting at six years old and even at that time they were describing
00:07:19.900 how lucky I was because I was in the program as a what they called the goats and the goats were
00:07:26.660 the bloodline families, meaning my family were, my uncle was one of the founders of the NSA.
00:07:32.640 My, uh, five of my uncles had been at Nuremberg and then later were in the founding of the CIA. 0.84
00:07:39.220 So it was, uh, it was like, like, uh, and they were all Satanists and pedophiles. So I'm not,
00:07:45.280 I mean, this is, this is what could go wrong. So, um, about like our government today.
00:07:50.400 Well, that's the basis of it. So this was 1947 when the CIA was formed, and it was formed by people who were pedophiles and Satanists, and then they grabbed a lot of power by enlisting Nazis.
00:08:05.540 I mean, one of their first employees was Reinhard Gellin, who had been Hitler's head of secret service and was then from then on working with the CIA and not just him, but his entire spy network in Germany. 0.53
00:08:22.900 So, I mean, they just recruited the Nazis right into the CIA and they were all esoteric followers of the esoteric Satanists and pedophiles. 0.67
00:08:34.260 And so the group of children that were their children, 0.74
00:08:39.320 so the heads of agencies, high-level military,
00:08:42.820 I mean, that's who they put in at the beginning.
00:08:44.860 We were the privileged ones.
00:08:47.260 We were the goats, and the rest were the sheep. 0.79
00:08:50.100 And it was described to us that our job was to manage and kill the goats
00:08:56.480 and that it was the goal of their first project goal 1.00
00:09:01.060 was the destruction of the entire black race. 0.99
00:09:05.540 And I was six years old at this point. 0.97
00:09:07.080 I'd never even seen a black person. 1.00
00:09:09.100 But there would be no black people in America,
00:09:12.080 and they had a date, which was 1982. 0.80
00:09:15.440 They're very specific about it.
00:09:18.840 So, I mean, I was hearing this at the age of six
00:09:21.160 and wondering what a black person was.
00:09:26.220 But then if you look back at what was done,
00:09:28.660 Like the deliberate spreading of HIV
00:09:31.780 AIDS in the Baltimore
00:09:33.600 Black population in the 1980s
00:09:35.720 What was done in Haiti in the
00:09:37.080 In the 1980s
00:09:38.920 The crack epidemic?
00:09:40.600 Yeah
00:09:40.840 I horror to think that any human being
00:09:45.880 Much less a human being that would be empowered
00:09:47.680 In our own government would have
00:09:49.160 That type of a genocidal impulse
00:09:51.500 But they're the goats
00:09:52.980 But to get there they have to have
00:09:55.700 Outcomes and to get those outcomes
00:09:57.940 They need spies and assassins.
00:10:00.600 They need the goats.
00:10:01.400 I think that some people will watch this and say, gosh, is this just a story that Dr. Engel is telling?
00:10:09.100 So could you take maybe a moment and talk about the survivor network of people who are out there saying that they have endured this MKUltra torture?
00:10:18.980 Yeah, I'm 77 years old.
00:10:21.540 So, I went into the program. The program started in 1953. That's when MKUltra was funded and the CIA began setting up annexes. Within a few years, they had 80 annexes around the United States and began conducting programs using the Nazi scientists that had been imported from the concentration camps.
00:10:46.140 And they gave all those Nazi scientists the same name, didn't they? 0.50
00:10:48.960 In the program, they were all Dr. Green.
00:10:51.800 So there were a bunch of people named Dr. Green at these secret CIA labs with what kind of accent?
00:10:58.700 Well, they had, you know, I didn't know, but they had accents.
00:11:01.900 Thick accents. 1.00
00:11:02.620 My guess is German. 1.00
00:11:03.740 I would guess.
00:11:04.440 What would happen at these annexes when people took you there?
00:11:08.120 Well, in the very beginning of every session, well, there'd always be a Dr. Green who was the... 0.81
00:11:18.080 The German. 0.70
00:11:18.540 The German. There'd be a Dr. White, who was an absolute brute. And then there would be Nanny Blacks. And the Nanny Blacks were androgynous. You couldn't tell if they were men or women. And they wore long black robes, and they took care of us. 0.99
00:11:35.260 What was the point of that?
00:11:36.780 Well, somebody had to take care of the children.
00:11:39.320 They had to feed us and... 1.00
00:11:41.260 Give you drugs. 0.91
00:11:42.040 Give us drugs, right?
00:11:43.160 Regulate the drugs, make sure they didn't kill us.
00:11:45.840 Because that was the difference between the sheep and the goats, I realized over time,
00:11:50.060 is that we were all tortured, we were all abused, but the goats would not be killed
00:11:54.240 because we were going to be their army.
00:11:58.080 Heirs to the empire.
00:11:59.060 Yeah, right.
00:12:00.160 And as long as they could control us, we were useful to them.
00:12:04.940 You mentioned, you said something earlier I wanted to ask you.
00:12:07.260 You said that you were chosen for your psychic abilities.
00:12:10.840 Can you talk about that?
00:12:12.620 What was the outcome of that?
00:12:15.460 The outcome of?
00:12:17.000 Of the experiments or the exploration into your psychic abilities?
00:12:21.080 Do you have psychic abilities?
00:12:22.840 I would say so, yeah.
00:12:24.240 And I've used it extensively.
00:12:26.920 That's how I was able to do as much as I was able to do in Russia
00:12:29.460 because they're very psychic people
00:12:32.920 and we didn't need language as much so how does that work uh just uh it's called they call it
00:12:41.440 psi psi that's what they call it in the program and it's the ability to uh put yourself your
00:12:48.840 energetic uh your energetic body which is an extension of your physical and spiritual body
00:12:54.660 into someone else and, uh, uh, read them. Uh, in the case of sex magic, you learn to
00:13:03.080 control their urges. You know, you, you, uh, you put thoughts in their minds that people,
00:13:10.340 that they'll then speak. You influence people. Yeah. You start controlling another person who
00:13:15.220 you're not even looking at them. So, so they, they don't, uh, they might perceive like a,
00:13:22.820 an intrusion of some kind if they are if they are psychic but um but it's not to be clear i think a
00:13:30.620 lot of people might just view psi or psychic as like seeing the future and knowing the future
00:13:35.960 and that is as i understand it like one very small fragmented appendage of the overall psi power
00:13:44.940 which is part, you know, an ability to assess, an ability to project thought,
00:13:52.800 an ability to really receive what's in another person's mind without them saying it.
00:13:58.160 Exactly.
00:13:59.600 And to influence their thoughts, ultimately, without them knowing that it's you doing it.
00:14:08.760 And the time travel, the predicting the future, was something they really wanted to do. 0.81
00:14:14.140 And this comes right out of the Nazi research. 0.86
00:14:16.620 Right. The Nazis had believed that they were going to break dimensions and they were willing to do these horrific experiments on children. 0.62
00:14:25.120 And then when we caught them, we were like, well, hey, before all of this science just goes to waste, we'll go put it put it to use here in the United States.
00:14:34.040 So obviously I'm an outsider to this and just a casual observer of this story, just having read a few things about it, watched a few videos.
00:14:42.140 I understand. But what what I've always heard is that ultimately the outcome of these programs was that they just essentially tortured innocent people and nothing came of it.
00:14:52.880 There was no results. You know, Gottlieb got nothing out of it. There was no one was psychic. But you're saying that's not true.
00:14:58.960 No, that's not true. They got a lot out of it and it continues. And I'll talk about how as I grew up and they went through the training and they developed what my psi abilities, I mean, they trained me projecting emotions and getting response from animals.
00:15:22.160 I spent a whole summer out at Coyote Hills at Stanford Research Institute with elephant seals so that I could I could survive going in an elephant seal tank.
00:15:33.780 I mean, and the seals liked me because we had it.
00:15:37.960 We had a rapport that no one else had.
00:15:40.560 And so it was that kind of training.
00:15:44.700 And I survived all that.
00:15:46.640 So after going through that, I was sent to the Presidio in San Francisco, and the Presidio is an ancient fort, and if you can go down into the tunnels, you can tell that it's an ancient structure with a very deep history that isn't well known.
00:16:11.240 But part of the Presidio is a point of the Starfort that points exactly northwest out into the point, they call it the Slice, where the tide change, where the water comes rushing under the Golden Gate Bridge past Fort Point.
00:16:33.380 And at the point that the tide hits, the ocean water hits the bay water.
00:16:40.420 So you've got salt water, brackish water coming together with the greatest tidal force on Earth happens there.
00:16:47.460 And at that point, they believed you could jump into that.
00:16:51.000 If you could separate your spiritual and your energetic body, you can, they called it riding the slice, going into there and transferring into other times.
00:17:02.960 You cannot transfer into other places.
00:17:05.400 They discovered that.
00:17:07.020 And that's why they were doing this, I believe, in the Starforts,
00:17:11.820 because they identified them.
00:17:13.360 This was an ancient structure.
00:17:14.900 They didn't know how old it was.
00:17:16.920 It could be a million years old, for all they know.
00:17:20.360 But if they could get us traveling in time at that place,
00:17:23.920 we would get the information from whoever built it, you know?
00:17:27.500 I guess that one didn't pan out.
00:17:29.960 No, it did at times.
00:17:31.920 it did uh people traveled through time yeah they would take they would take and then we'd come back
00:17:38.360 and they used uh young children i think it's because our bodies were stronger
00:17:45.080 and and more it's a it's a horrendous physical drain to do that and it's very dangerous and a
00:17:52.320 lot of kids died um but that's that's they then took that and what the the stories the lore 0.54
00:18:00.340 the characters that we brought back from our experiences, they used to write the Satanic 0.63
00:18:06.200 Bible. And that's what was going on there at Fort Point, which was the headquarters of the 0.94
00:18:13.820 psychological war department of the U.S. Army. So this wasn't just about espionage and combating
00:18:19.740 Russian spies. This was about worshiping Satan? Yes. Yes. And that's where Michael Aquino,
00:18:26.920 Michael Aquino was my classmate.
00:18:29.900 He's a Campbell, he's a cousin, and that's the only reason I paid attention to him.
00:18:36.660 But he's like one year older than me, and we were there at the same time.
00:18:41.040 Do I need to explain who Michael Aquino is?
00:18:43.540 He became the head Satanist of the U.S. Army and was promoted to lieutenant colonel
00:18:50.080 and was allowed to carry on satanic rituals in his army uniform
00:18:54.480 with his little horn hat and his spiky eyebrows
00:18:58.080 and do horrendous things.
00:19:01.180 And eventually he was accused of molesting over 500 children
00:19:04.920 and then the charges were thrown out.
00:19:08.760 But he did it.
00:19:10.260 And the other people that were there at Fort Point
00:19:13.660 were Anton LaVey,
00:19:16.800 who was the sort of the founder of the church of satan he started as tony levy and became
00:19:23.500 anton levy and grew little horns and and became a demonic character and then and then we were all
00:19:29.980 used to do the time travel and bring back lore and stories and then we would write them on skin 0.64
00:19:37.000 backwards so somewhere somewhere they have a satanic bible that's made up of human skins 0.84
00:19:45.360 with the backwards writing on it and that's the that's the basis for for the church of satan and 0.95
00:19:53.940 the temple of set and the temple of set was the project that came out of that because they they
00:20:00.360 controlled the time travel the interdimensional travel with frequencies so uh temple of set
00:20:08.120 s-e-t is not an egyptian god it that was their big joke temple of set stands for selective
00:20:14.660 electromagnetic tuning and so while while you were out of your uh physical body and and as a
00:20:23.860 a energetic body spiritual body traveling they could control this is their theory they could
00:20:31.580 control where you go and the nature of your experience with selective electromagnetic tuning
00:20:37.660 that that seems if if you were doing this to build a spy assassin army you would need some
00:20:45.560 way at scale to get commands and messages out uh again i'm i'm skeptical that anyone engaged in any
00:20:53.080 time travel um but i i do believe that at that time there was great interest in this oh yeah and
00:21:00.340 i and i do also believe that it was such a craven time that societies would have been willing to
00:21:07.440 accept some pretty catastrophic outcomes and losses in, in this pursuit. Dr. Engel, as you
00:21:14.200 grew up and, and, uh, it sounds like you achieved in the program through these experiences.
00:21:21.320 Well, you have, you have, uh, I'm not entirely sure about the time travel either. The situation
00:21:27.900 was they would have us there. They would take away our shoes. We, we never had shoes. So we
00:21:32.960 always barefoot this was in the presidio and and all of the annexes so the whole hippie movement
00:21:38.740 the idea oh the you know the the dirty unwashed hippies in their bare feet they they did that so
00:21:45.000 that we couldn't get away and and uh um they they starved us so if we didn't if we didn't produce if 0.97
00:21:55.220 i didn't ride the slice and come back with a great story to write on the skins i wouldn't eat you
00:22:02.500 know so i'm a very creative person so i was on who knows what kind of drugs and i wanted to eat
00:22:10.900 dinner so how much is my own invention yeah i believe that many many people believe they've
00:22:17.280 time traveled uh i'm not sure but but perhaps uh they haven't i don't know uh that may be beyond
00:22:24.860 our review but i think what what is within uh our our interest is uh is how these programs
00:22:31.580 operated, how people moved in and out of them, and then what happened as a consequence.
00:22:36.300 And so describe to Pearson, because he didn't make it to this chapter, who the freaks are.
00:22:41.880 Well, the freaks, Vito Polakis and his buddy, they were the two, they were the ones that
00:22:54.280 my father sold me to. 0.76
00:22:55.400 So they were always appearing in my life, always taking me off to Saturnalias or Black Masses or ritual abuse, whatever.
00:23:07.800 And when I was in my early teens and they moved to Laurel Canyon, they got funded to set up, I don't know the background of it, but quite an area, that neighborhood in Laurel Canyon.
00:23:27.540 They had a commune, and it was part of a big blackmail operation,
00:23:36.220 which is what I think they were in charge of all along.
00:23:39.040 So how would the freaks blackmail people?
00:23:40.960 Well, the freaks were teenage girls like me,
00:23:43.900 and the song Young Girls Are Coming to the Canyon,
00:23:46.920 we'd come on a bus from all over Los Angeles, San Francisco,
00:23:53.700 wherever we'd be brought there on the weekend,
00:23:57.100 And we'd walk up to the compound, Vita Palakas' house, and they would give us costumes to wear,
00:24:08.440 and they would choreograph dances and tell us exactly how to set people up at parties for blackmail.
00:24:20.500 How would you set people up for parties at blackmail?
00:24:22.440 Well, Laurel Canyon was, and several of those canyons around Hollywood, were sites where there were a lot of parties for record execs and people in the music business.
00:24:35.740 And they wanted to get their, this is where the frequencies connected with the music business, connected with entertainment.
00:24:45.160 They wanted to get their frequencies, which they had inculcated into the music.
00:24:50.340 They wanted to get that sold and out in the music business.
00:24:54.200 So the best way for them to do that, in their minds, was to compromise and blackmail record executives.
00:25:01.620 So they would take any of these awful groups, because a lot of them were really bad, but they got enormous contracts.
00:25:11.240 And our role as the freaks, we were young, underage girls.
00:25:17.060 We'd be dressed in practically nothing or nothing.
00:25:20.800 Some of them, lots of times, they had us just wearing body paint.
00:25:24.740 And we'd be driven up to the executive's party, and the music would be going wild,
00:25:31.300 and you could tell the frequencies were just being pulsed out there.
00:25:35.860 And they would set us loose, and we had been given targets.
00:25:41.340 So I knew in advance which man I was going to target and what to target them with, you know, what appeals to this person.
00:25:52.680 And so we each had targets, and it was men and women.
00:25:57.800 And our job was to get them high on LSD or whatever it was they were experimenting with.
00:26:04.140 I didn't know, but they would dispense it on blotters of filter paper.
00:26:09.040 they would put the drugs on the filter paper and we would get it in the subject's mouth and then 0.54
00:26:15.120 the subject would just sort of lose all control we'd get them naked we'd be naked we'd have them
00:26:20.800 on the ground I knew who the photographers were I knew where the lighting was good I mean they
00:26:26.800 trained us to get the photos we were we were uh the agents of the downfall of the person that we
00:26:36.460 were attacking, and we only, we did it, I had, you know, you should regret that, you
00:26:44.540 should feel like, and I did try confessing a few times, but nobody would believe me that
00:26:51.260 I was doing this, but they would have killed us, and we would have starved, and.
00:27:01.040 And this happened at Disneyland as well?
00:27:03.720 It started at Disneyland. The training started at Disneyland when they took a group of us down there when I was seven.
00:27:12.620 And they just dumped me out at Frontierland and hadn't eaten anything for a long time.
00:27:19.720 And if I wanted to eat, I had to go find a daddy.
00:27:23.700 And so I had to go find a daddy and get him to buy me a cheeseburger and then take me on the wild toad ride.
00:27:30.060 because I knew that the wild toad ride,
00:27:33.620 in the 60s, this would be in the 50s even,
00:27:36.760 the wild toad ride would reach a place,
00:27:41.020 you'd take a wrong turn,
00:27:42.920 suddenly you're going the wrong way on a railroad track
00:27:45.200 and you're heading into a tunnel
00:27:47.320 and there's a very, very bright light coming at the car
00:27:50.840 and you can hear it, it's getting louder, louder, louder,
00:27:53.360 it's going to hit you.
00:27:54.440 And the thing is that I knew there were cameramen
00:27:57.200 behind that light.
00:27:58.560 the person in the car
00:28:00.560 couldn't see anything. So I knew exactly
00:28:02.560 the right moment to like get
00:28:04.440 his hands all over me and
00:28:06.220 take off my clothes or whatever it took. 0.61
00:28:09.080 And these were CIA
00:28:10.200 cameramen? They were the
00:28:12.440 MK Ultra Handler cameramen.
00:28:14.340 So I would imagine.
00:28:17.440 And they would
00:28:18.520 show you the pictures. Yeah, they'd show us the pictures
00:28:20.380 and say, next time, you know, try
00:28:22.500 a little this, try a little
00:28:24.360 that. And the same thing when we were
00:28:26.200 Refine your technique. Yeah, exactly.
00:28:28.220 We were highly trained agents and, and, um, I was type, type A personality, hyper achiever.
00:28:39.680 So yeah, I was going to do it.
00:28:41.580 And, um.
00:28:43.020 So at age, you know, six, seven, it's at Disney at a, in the, in your teens, it's at Laurel
00:28:48.780 Canyon with the record execs.
00:28:51.280 And after that, you believe they trained you specifically for a Moscow insertion?
00:28:56.540 For Russia.
00:28:57.180 Absolutely.
00:28:57.880 Yes.
00:28:58.060 was going to happen there uh i was going to um they they started programming me to find an entrance
00:29:09.420 to the ross telecom communication center which is right in the right near the kremlin and it was
00:29:16.220 the point where all communications from the soviet union you know all international communications
00:29:22.620 went through one point and they uh cia and western intelligence had never been able to infiltrate it
00:29:30.780 and and so day after day after day we would go through the wheel and then we'd go through the
00:29:37.660 warm-ups and then we'd go through the the side training and they would drop me in in the side
00:29:43.500 They'd drop me in Red Square and I'd have to find my way through what that time was Red Square in the 1950s and 60s and find the entrance to the Ross Telecom building and get in there and sabotage the wires.
00:30:04.720 and the very bizarre thing is that 30 years later when uh i had left all of this i did get to the
00:30:13.740 rest telecom building i did get to the site where they um where the all the communications equipment
00:30:21.680 had been it wasn't there anymore and the rest telecom people you know they took me down there
00:30:27.320 and said you know i don't know why you want to look at this but um so i did find the entrance
00:30:32.100 And wound up in my office, I wound up in an office right next to the Ross Telecom building, which actually had a secret staircase that transferred over.
00:30:43.080 You could go underground and you could go into the telecommunications center.
00:30:46.880 And so it matched what you had been trained for.
00:30:48.660 Yes.
00:30:49.320 The same tunnels.
00:30:50.400 So how much of that was me?
00:30:52.020 How much of that was my programming that got me there?
00:30:55.380 But they weren't programming me to go to Russia to save children.
00:30:58.960 I guarantee it.
00:30:59.880 No, no.
00:31:00.360 I think it was a different purpose.
00:31:01.700 And I do want to get to your work in Russia to save children.
00:31:06.560 I think it's really remarkable.
00:31:08.240 I have one more question.
00:31:10.360 Your book is called Sparky.
00:31:12.240 And from what I understand, Sparky was a personality.
00:31:15.600 Can you explain what Sparky was and how that worked?
00:31:18.700 Yeah, Sparky, we moved constantly because half the time I'd be with my family,
00:31:26.820 half the time I'd be in an annex getting programmed.
00:31:30.020 But they wanted me to be able to look like a normal person.
00:31:33.240 So half the time I was with my family and the schools would immediately pick up that something was wrong.
00:31:42.180 And so within a very short period of time, we had social workers and doctors and my parents would pick up and move.
00:31:51.420 And to handle that constant changing, I picked different personas.
00:31:55.500 So each time I picked a different name, a different character, I spent like half a year as a horse, you know, just just just that was dissociation living outside of myself.
00:32:09.460 And Sparky was the character. Sparky McGregor is the only name I knew from my family's past that I admired were the McGregors.
00:32:20.700 And interestingly enough, that's my connection to Michael Aquino.
00:32:24.800 But Sparky McGregor was the character that I assumed at the age of 10.
00:32:31.760 And at the age of 10, I was starting to go into puberty.
00:32:34.560 So I was moving from being a magical thinker to being an adult thinker.
00:32:42.560 And, and, uh, at the same time, becoming aware that, uh, we, we recently visited the Imperial
00:32:52.160 Beach, um, apartments down there.
00:32:54.660 And at that time it was all brothels and there was a child brothel next to my bedroom that
00:32:59.800 I could hear all night long.
00:33:01.440 So I knew what, what puberty meant to me and my future and how they were going to, you
00:33:07.680 know, uh, exploit that.
00:33:10.760 Yeah, exactly.
00:33:11.480 They were already starting to exploit it.
00:33:13.580 So I used Sparky to grow up and to grow up fast.
00:33:18.320 And I created the person I wanted to be, which was half magical, half adult, because that's what I was.
00:33:26.860 So Sparky was smart, sharp, a leader, good, kind-hearted, loved God, a Christian warrior.
00:33:39.020 Ideal girl.
00:33:40.460 Ideal.
00:33:40.980 but a warrior and and uh had great hair cute clothes good shoes and uh so then i actually
00:33:51.320 became that i mean i became sparky so i created myself because i didn't have it i i couldn't take
00:33:57.480 a single role model there wasn't a single person that i had to make your own yeah well and pearson
00:34:03.460 And as I read the story, to me, it showed how dissociation can't be controlled.
00:34:11.120 You know, one of the people Dr. Engel interacted with in the MKUltra program, according to her book and her story, was Charles Manson.
00:34:19.160 Dissociation couldn't be controlled.
00:34:21.680 That's the negative example.
00:34:22.900 But see, as they were doing all these tactics to Juliet, one way her dissociation broke out was actually creating a persona that gave her an escape when these terrible things were happening.
00:34:37.160 Speaking of escape, no story would be complete with how you broke free of this, that you write in Sparky about this daring escape you make at age 17. Walk us through it.
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00:35:25.160 Springs, which is now Esalen Swanky Resort. But in the 1960s, it was a hot springs in a cornfield
00:35:33.900 and they would have concerts out there and they would helicopter in record execs. So it was that
00:35:39.840 kind of thing. And I was playing tambourine and I was out there. Charles Manson was always the one
00:35:45.880 playing backup with other studio session musicians.
00:35:52.340 And so I had practically no clothes on and lots of flowers all over my body and no shoes.
00:36:01.180 And during a break, my handler came in through the barbed wire fence.
00:36:08.260 The gate opened and drove in with his car and then he passed out.
00:36:13.820 so there was a car running the gate open i couldn't get him perfect opportunity yeah i
00:36:20.540 wasn't gonna pass that up sounds like a bond yeah it does yeah you know grabbing a key getting in
00:36:25.060 the car driving down a down a dark road i mean that that's what it took to escape it sounds like
00:36:30.660 yeah and i'd done a lot of planning in advance i i'd gotten myself accepted early to the university
00:36:36.100 of washington and uh so that was one of the places you were abused i know so i turned right around
00:36:42.460 and went back there so so the story it's actually I think I understand now what the escape was and
00:36:51.720 the escape was an escape from their their ability to control me at all well the University of
00:36:56.920 Washington is where you alleged the CIA had a secret facility to torture you yes and they did
00:37:01.780 it's where you went to college it's where you went to medical school and for anyone who thinking that
00:37:08.800 you're someone who's lost contact with reality. You were a professor at the University of
00:37:13.260 Washington after an associate professor, correct? Yes. And, uh, also, uh, yeah, I graduated first
00:37:19.620 in my class in medical school. You can't debate that. And, uh, I was awarded the humanitarian
00:37:25.560 prize from the medical school in, I think, 2014. And did you, did you, when you escaped,
00:37:35.220 Was there a point where you compartmentalized that point in your life and forgot about it?
00:37:40.880 Absolutely.
00:37:41.960 How does that work?
00:37:42.980 What happened?
00:37:43.460 I forgot my entire life is what I did.
00:37:45.520 So it was just a black hole, your childhood, just no recollection?
00:37:48.580 Gone, gone, no recollection, nothing.
00:37:50.780 Not even a manufactured personality or history?
00:37:53.100 No, couldn't remember a thing.
00:37:54.460 Didn't want to, so wiped out everybody, everything, and all the good with the bad.
00:38:01.280 So any relationship or friendship I'd ever had, don't remember.
00:38:05.220 um, I'd been, uh, they were training me in the frequencies. They were training me
00:38:11.100 to be a spy and a performer. So they were actually, I was actually working with the
00:38:16.040 California Youth Symphony and scheduled to start a, uh, tour and feature and a brand new Alec
00:38:23.460 Raleigh concerto and starting in Japan. And, uh, so I had to, I had to say, no, just no,
00:38:31.520 We're never playing again, and I never played the piano again.
00:38:34.380 I never played music again.
00:38:36.200 I didn't draw anymore.
00:38:39.220 So as I was in the car, and unfortunately my handler was unconscious in the car,
00:38:46.840 so I took him with me.
00:38:48.080 Oh, you didn't kick him out.
00:38:49.440 I couldn't.
00:38:49.960 I couldn't get him out, and I had to get out the gate and get out of there.
00:38:54.380 Eventually I got him out, and I just headed north.
00:38:59.420 And I had no shoes, no underwear, no money, no driver's license.
00:39:05.540 And drugs were flying out of the car because he'd been selling drugs all over the place.
00:39:11.760 And eventually I found he had a huge roll of $20 bills in his glove box from the drug sales.
00:39:21.840 So I took that without any pang of conscience and found that he had green stamps,
00:39:28.360 which you used to get when you'd buy gas or groceries or anything.
00:39:32.360 And you could put them in books and then get neat stuff like luggage and a hairdryer, clothes, towels.
00:39:38.980 Everything I needed to go to college was right there in his car.
00:39:42.860 All I had to do was get rid of him.
00:39:45.560 And so I eventually bought some clothes and pulled on some sweatpants and got myself on a bus,
00:39:55.200 a Greyhound bus in Grants Pass
00:39:57.540 and went to Seattle.
00:39:59.560 And I already had the dormitory set up
00:40:02.220 and I was ready to start college.
00:40:05.120 So I made myself look like
00:40:06.560 what I thought a co-ed should look like.
00:40:10.840 And with my little knee socks
00:40:13.400 and loafer shoes
00:40:14.920 and went to school as a new person.
00:40:20.020 How did you recover these memories?
00:40:21.520 What happened?
00:40:22.560 Well, the first batch,
00:40:23.960 because remember the cia was not admitting to any of this my family was not admitting to any of this
00:40:30.740 and when i would ask my family about what why did you sell me you know things like that because i
00:40:37.440 would ask they would they would just tell me i was crazy and i should shut up or i'd wind up in an
00:40:42.780 asylum like other people in my family which who had probably been punished for trying to speak out
00:40:53.600 But it was when my daughter was born, and I had a little tiny carbon copy of myself, and I thought I had to know how to take care of this little perfect being.
00:41:07.860 And that's when, you know, you would normally look at your own childhood and say, okay, what did I like?
00:41:16.340 You know, how did they make me happy?
00:41:19.560 How did my mother take care of me?
00:41:21.880 And what I got was so horrendous and so awful that I was ready to, if any of that was going to come out of me and go to my daughter, then I was going to commit unaliving right then and there.
00:41:39.660 You contemplated suicide.
00:41:40.980 Oh, I did, yes.
00:41:42.560 And I got a gun and I was very close, but I wasn't all the way there.
00:41:49.320 And the advantage I've had over other survivors, many of whom have gone ahead and unaligned themselves, was that I was a physician and I knew psychiatrists.
00:42:02.200 I knew I had friends, you know, so I chose a psychiatrist that I knew was totally straight and would just tell me the truth and went to him and asked if I was crazy.
00:42:13.340 Well, I don't think you're crazy.
00:42:15.440 I'm not a psychiatrist, but your level of achievement is unassailable.
00:42:21.620 In your medical practice, you had a successful radiology practice in the Pacific Northwest.
00:42:26.760 You then, you could have done that.
00:42:29.580 You could have been wealthy, comfortable, happy.
00:42:32.180 But you sold that medical practice and you went to Russia, the Soviet Union at the time,
00:42:37.520 because you thought that a technological breakthrough that you had achieved in ultrasound
00:42:43.700 and could help cause more births to be successful.
00:42:47.640 And that brings us to the second book of yours, Angels Over Moscow, Life, Death, and Human Trafficking in Russia.
00:42:57.400 Talk about the journey that brought better outcomes to this place as a result of your work.
00:43:06.500 Yeah, it was in 1990. And I was working at the Overlake Hospital and with my ultrasound practice
00:43:16.940 and in a lot of therapy because I was trying to remember, I was still trying, I still couldn't
00:43:22.520 remember my past. And I was trying to be a good mother, but it's very difficult when you like,
00:43:29.140 all of that is missing
00:43:31.620 he's just not there
00:43:32.880 and I was invited
00:43:35.920 I received an invitation
00:43:37.600 at the hospital to go to Russia
00:43:39.200 and this was back when nobody went to Russia
00:43:41.800 it was the beginning
00:43:43.800 of perestroika
00:43:44.800 the Iron Curtain was just coming down
00:43:47.940 the Berlin Wall had just come down 1.00
00:43:49.540 it was a very optimistic time 1.00
00:43:51.460 and
00:43:52.520 I was invited to come
00:43:55.760 to Moscow and be the first doctor
00:43:57.300 to actually go in to the birthing hospitals and see what they were like
00:44:01.860 and to see if we could set up exchanges with American doctors
00:44:06.000 and get them some good equipment.
00:44:08.080 And it made perfect sense to me, and it did make perfect sense.
00:44:13.340 And so I went to Russia with a group called Citizens for Soviet American Dialogue.
00:44:19.460 And they were mostly, politicians went, media people went, entertainers went.
00:44:29.000 It was a very new age kind of crowd.
00:44:33.040 And I fit right in there.
00:44:36.720 But when we got to Moscow, there were 150 Americans who were going to meet with 300 Russians
00:44:44.220 who were in matching areas of interest.
00:44:50.020 But when I got to the airport,
00:44:51.380 I was practically kidnapped by a group of doctors
00:44:54.800 because they knew if I got into that circuit,
00:44:58.020 I would be occupied by the KGB
00:45:00.140 and I would not be able to see the real situation. 0.69
00:45:04.540 And they had worked for months to set it up
00:45:07.680 so that they got me to themselves.
00:45:10.920 And that did happen.
00:45:11.580 It sounds like they needed you.
00:45:12.540 It sounds like it was an act of desperation based on the conditions that babies were being born in.
00:45:17.980 It was.
00:45:19.100 And so I was the first doctor into their maternal hospital system.
00:45:26.820 And they showed me everything.
00:45:29.400 So the horrific conditions, the filth, the fact that hospitals didn't even have soap.
00:45:36.980 They didn't have antiseptic.
00:45:38.720 They didn't have sutures.
00:45:40.040 They couldn't do episiotomies.
00:45:42.540 It's not a glowing endorsement for communism and innovation.
00:45:48.120 No.
00:45:48.660 And everything was run on, exactly, on the communist model, which was bureaucratic.
00:45:54.220 Yeah.
00:45:54.820 So you don't want, you never want that to happen.
00:45:57.460 But you brought your innovations there.
00:45:59.440 Sure did.
00:45:59.760 And conditions improved.
00:46:00.940 Yes.
00:46:01.620 And they were ready.
00:46:02.300 They wanted it.
00:46:03.460 They were ready for it.
00:46:04.580 So they were open to change.
00:46:06.880 So when I would bring, I selected specialists that I knew would come over and really teach them, you know, the latest antiseptic technique or surgical technique or we got refurbished ultrasounds and we brought them over.
00:46:23.400 We got anesthetic machines. 0.97
00:46:24.920 We got all kinds of things, which the Russians then reversed engineered and created their own. 1.00
00:46:32.220 I mean, that's a good thing, though. 0.96
00:46:33.840 Yeah, and you also wonder, like, the extent to which those type of missions really did contribute to the collapse of the Soviet Union, ultimately, because there were these exchanges, whether it was athletics or medicine.
00:46:46.960 You get to go to the outside world.
00:46:48.380 Yeah, the areas where you could kind of put politics on the side and just do...
00:46:54.140 I think we can all agree hospitals need soap.
00:46:56.540 Yeah, and that, like, you know, nobody was going to be against helping babies get born as some, you know, feature of hard power.
00:47:02.580 But you wonder how many of those things really did chip away at at the regime there.
00:47:08.800 They all I don't know that you get the fall without some of those efforts.
00:47:13.300 I am 100 percent convinced that they were hugely influential because like when it's it's the St.
00:47:21.720 Elsewhere thing, we would go in there and tell them how we did things and they would take that as the absolute gold standard, which it was because these were top level people coming in.
00:47:30.700 And then they reset their entire system based on that.
00:47:34.960 And there were excellent projects coming in.
00:47:36.920 But you weren't done then.
00:47:37.940 So after enduring MKUltra surviving, after becoming a successful physician, after doing a geopolitically significant technology transfer to save countless innocent babies, you then really took aim at some of the human trafficking and sex trafficking in Russia.
00:47:58.540 Can you take a moment and talk about that mission? 0.60
00:48:00.260 Yeah, and that's where Psy really kept me alive.
00:48:03.620 Really?
00:48:04.400 Really.
00:48:05.500 Because what I discovered was that children were disappearing.
00:48:10.480 About a third of babies were disappearing from the hospitals.
00:48:14.300 And no one could give me an explanation for where they were going.
00:48:17.920 And there were 800 children.
00:48:21.060 Yeah, a third.
00:48:21.720 And 800,000 children were in institutions.
00:48:26.820 Orphanages.
00:48:27.280 Orphanages.
00:48:27.800 But it varied from baby houses to childhood houses to teen houses.
00:48:34.100 And they were isolated.
00:48:36.020 They were up and down rivers.
00:48:37.500 Some of them didn't even have roads.
00:48:40.200 You had to get there by boat.
00:48:41.720 And that made it just very easy for traffickers to just go and take kids.
00:48:45.980 And so it wasn't just me.
00:48:50.260 It was a group of Russians. 0.65
00:48:52.660 What would happen to the young women and girls who would age out of that foster care system?
00:48:58.980 Well, typically, like one specific orphanage on the very northern border of Russia, the border with Finland in Karelia,
00:49:09.740 I had very close relationships with them, and I came up one winter bringing a delivery of winter coats, and the teenage girls were all gone.
00:49:18.160 and no one would tell me where they went
00:49:20.780 until I was able to talk to the kids
00:49:22.980 who said, oh, a bus came from Finland
00:49:26.940 and it comes every few years
00:49:28.600 and it takes the girls away to a better life.
00:49:32.940 And I thought, that just, that upset me so much.
00:49:37.940 And so over the next few months,
00:49:40.100 I was able to follow the bus
00:49:42.340 and that included taking a shuttle bus
00:49:47.140 from Murmansk, in the very northern part of Russia, over the border, the Norwegian border,
00:49:52.840 to Kirkenes, which is the northernmost town of Norway, where these buses were running after they
00:50:00.060 went through Finland and through a section of Sweden, which is absolutely lawless, and up into
00:50:06.440 Norway. And I arrived on this bus, probably the only American that had ridden on this bus,
00:50:17.140 in history i arrived with a bunch of little sami people who were um who were smuggling cigarettes 0.98
00:50:26.500 who was actually behind these trafficking networks was it are these criminal organizations is it the
00:50:31.300 government are they the powerful oligarchs who all of it they would have they had rival groups
00:50:37.620 they had national groups so the albanians would have their trafficking network and the romanians
00:50:43.780 had theirs, and the Ukrainians
00:50:45.940 were very big into the 1.00
00:50:47.480 So it was just a free-for-all, Russian girls 1.00
00:50:49.760 growing up to be sex slaves 1.00
00:50:51.260 At that time, yeah 0.99
00:50:53.460 Europe was just grabbing them up and
00:50:55.400 taking them out, shipping them out. Not just Europe 0.90
00:50:57.420 And this is where I
00:50:59.420 ran afoul of the U.S. government
00:51:01.560 and why I will never be in Wikipedia
00:51:03.900 And this is
00:51:05.520 this was, I went and got a grant
00:51:08.100 I had a series of grants
00:51:09.740 I was pretty good at getting grants from
00:51:11.700 UN, from UNIFEM
00:51:13.520 from the USIA, but I was the first NGO to get a grant from the Trafficking in Persons
00:51:22.060 Office.
00:51:23.060 And that was to document the amount of trafficking in Russia for the TIP Office because they
00:51:31.420 wanted to write a really bad report about Russia.
00:51:35.420 So we set up a series of questionnaires and a chat room.
00:51:42.060 So these towns, all these little towns and groups, they would have like one telephone in the town, maybe, and no computers.
00:51:50.980 And if you wanted to get information, you had to send it on a train.
00:51:55.240 So the train conductors were like the lifelines for mail.
00:52:01.200 And we were able to organize a chat room that ran 11 hours from Wadavostok all the way to Kaliningrad.
00:52:11.000 and run it for 11 hours because you had to keep going
00:52:16.160 because you went through the time zones.
00:52:18.440 And we were able to get over 2,500 people to go to Internet centers.
00:52:24.400 The Internet centers had been set up at universities
00:52:27.160 through the Open Society Network.
00:52:30.260 And so that was when Soros was big in the former Soviet Union.
00:52:35.600 But we got the people at the centers.
00:52:38.160 We sent out questionnaires.
00:52:39.720 and number two pencils, because they didn't have pencils, didn't have papers.
00:52:44.240 And so over the course of the day, we got over 2,500 people participating in this chat room,
00:52:52.160 just giving us masses of information.
00:52:54.720 It sounds like the infrastructure of an underground railroad.
00:52:57.120 That's exactly what it turned into.
00:52:58.700 I know we're short on time, we're getting close, but I wanted to ask real quick,
00:53:03.440 is there a particular rescue or incident that's stuck with you, that stayed with you all these years, and what happened?
00:53:09.620 Well, I'll tell you that the system that we worked out is still in operation.
00:53:15.860 And the reason when we added up at the end of my time there, because I did have to leave, we had rescued over 70,000 people.
00:53:24.540 Wow.
00:53:25.060 And that included labor, young men for labor, children.
00:53:28.980 Yeah, it was.
00:53:29.520 But we had developed a system, and we trained law enforcement all over Russia, the former Soviet Union, North Africa, Europe.
00:53:38.780 And so we had a—I'll give you an example.
00:53:42.560 So we got a call.
00:53:43.900 A girl—we had hotlines, so there were numbers.
00:53:47.340 So we handed out—in the airports, we'd hand out cards, and girls would get a card, and that would be a toll-free number. 0.60
00:53:53.760 They could call from their pimp phone, because it was toll-free.
00:53:57.360 and they could get a hold of our office.
00:54:01.440 And so we got a call 0.98
00:54:02.480 and the girl didn't even know which country she was in.
00:54:06.280 And so we asked for some landmarks
00:54:10.340 and she thought she was in Turkey.
00:54:12.080 So we immediately called our contacts in Ankara
00:54:15.520 and we said, this girl thinks she's in Turkey.
00:54:19.220 And so the guy said, well, give me a bus number.
00:54:22.920 See a bus, the bus will have a number.
00:54:25.280 So they gave me, the girls gave a bus number.
00:54:28.880 And then he said, get across street and get another bus number.
00:54:32.340 So she got another bus number.
00:54:34.520 So they knew that she was on a corner exactly where she was in Istanbul.
00:54:38.900 So they said, keep her there.
00:54:40.680 Keep talking to her. 0.89
00:54:42.000 We're going to send the Turkish police, which were going to scare this girl to death. 1.00
00:54:47.340 So we kept her there. 1.00
00:54:49.220 The police came.
00:54:50.480 They got her. 1.00
00:54:51.520 And then we had to talk her into taking the police to the brothel where all the other girls were. 0.99
00:54:57.940 And that was the key to success because we'd pick up one, but we could pick up 200, you know, by breaking into the brothel network. 0.69
00:55:09.320 And the police, if they could go fast before the brothel owners even know we had the girl.
00:55:14.340 This all sounds so dangerous. And the powerful interests you were fighting against, unquestionably at some point, tried to find out who was disrupting them.
00:55:25.140 Oh, of course.
00:55:25.780 And they would have killed you.
00:55:26.800 And I wonder if the dissociation that was created early in life in MKUltra, in some bizarre way, ended up dissociating you from some of the risks in these experiences. 0.78
00:55:44.380 That is absolutely true. 0.71
00:55:46.780 And the ability to dissociate it made it possible for me to appear innocent when I wasn't, you know, suspicious, not suspicious.
00:55:54.920 I was always the last one they suspected.
00:55:57.840 And I could carry large amounts of money across borders and I would never be stopped.
00:56:03.220 Everyone else would be searched.
00:56:04.660 So it did serve.
00:56:07.280 It did serve.
00:56:08.220 Yeah, I mean, a terrible thing to go through.
00:56:10.340 But ultimately, actually.
00:56:11.880 I could use it.
00:56:12.880 Yeah, it was for good, for the very best thing.
00:56:15.360 And that is to rescue these lives.
00:56:17.380 I could talk to you for hours about these things.
00:56:20.100 And we've got a lot more coming with Dr. Engel on One America News.
00:56:23.540 but for this episode of Anchorman Pearson
00:56:26.100 I'll give you the last word, a last question
00:56:27.840 a last thought and then we'll
00:56:29.920 be out of here
00:56:30.700 The last question would just be
00:56:33.320 a long one
00:56:34.820 Are these programs still
00:56:38.080 ongoing?
00:56:39.360 The programs that we set up?
00:56:41.720 The MKUltra stuff. Oh yes, absolutely
00:56:44.080 You can imagine with
00:56:45.920 when it started with me
00:56:48.040 we were talking about Turing machines and
00:56:50.020 cybernetic devices
00:56:51.060 and now it's digital computers
00:56:55.340 and the frequency of research has gotten extremely sophisticated
00:56:59.740 and it's in everything and they've gotten...
00:57:04.280 So they're still kidnapping girls, they're still abusing children,
00:57:07.480 they're still committing these horrific crimes.
00:57:09.260 Yes, and using the same families, doing the same...
00:57:14.520 And there are some very brave podcasters
00:57:18.060 who have devoted, like Emma Catherine's podcast,
00:57:23.120 she interviews survivor after survivor after survivor
00:57:26.540 every week, someone who has escaped.
00:57:31.340 Or last week, it was the daughter of someone named ***
00:57:36.420 who'd invented Cyber Slice.
00:57:38.900 And he caught his daughter and killed her.
00:57:42.940 So, yeah, it's definitely going on.
00:57:45.980 And it's now in the schools.
00:57:48.060 you've got the gate program the gifted and talented education which is uh they take the
00:57:55.380 kids out of class put them in another class and the class uh starts with them drinking a disgusting
00:58:01.520 pink drink and the drink they didn't i can't find out what's in it no one can tell me or anyone else
00:58:08.040 what's in it but the kids become amnesic and don't remember so i've talked to any uh charlie
00:58:16.400 Charlie Kirk was in that program.
00:58:18.700 Candace Owens was in that program.
00:58:21.300 I was.
00:58:22.900 See, I'm not surprised because the bright,
00:58:25.400 it was just to focus on the bright and the future leaders.
00:58:30.860 So do you know what was in the fizzy drink?
00:58:33.380 Do you remember drinking that?
00:58:35.120 I remember we would get pulled out of regular class
00:58:38.380 for the gifted and talented education,
00:58:41.720 and we would go to a different place.
00:58:43.680 It wasn't even on the same school.
00:58:46.400 we would be taken to a different school.
00:58:49.400 And it was all the subject of IQ tests.
00:58:51.580 What I remember is a lot of puzzles, a lot of challenges, a lot of queries,
00:58:57.220 exactly the thing you would do to probe to see who had what capabilities.
00:59:02.700 They're finding out what's in your mind.
00:59:04.660 Dr. Engel, thank you so much.
00:59:06.000 The book is Sparky, Surviving Sex Magic.
00:59:09.040 It walks the reader through, I think, a very transitional and dark part of America's intelligence history.
00:59:19.480 And the subsequent piece is Angels Over Moscow, Life, Death, and Human Trafficking in Russia.
00:59:25.820 And it explains Dr. Engel's incredible work there to bring some light into a place with a tremendous amount of darkness.
00:59:34.180 Appreciate you being here.
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