00:04:40.160and get them compromised in photographs so that they could be blackmailed.
00:04:45.960I mean, they started us out doing this at Disneyland,
00:04:48.420so the training went on for several years.
00:04:51.620But they also used the sex magic spies as assassins
00:04:56.380or setting up political targets for assassination.0.92
00:04:59.900That's one of the things that is done.
00:05:05.200I want to say I bought your book, and I started reading it,
00:05:10.160and I had to stop reading it really I'm very sorry what you described in the first chapter
00:05:17.040was so horrific I couldn't continue to imagine that happening to you to other little girls
00:05:26.060I have two little girls four years old and two years old and maybe that just hit too hard but
00:05:33.420it was unbelievable and I'm I'm so sorry that you went through that I can't imagine it um
00:05:39.760what our government is capable of is astonishing well and pearson just to just to bring our audience
00:05:46.840in you know in that first chapter dr engel is describing uh how her own family would sell her
00:05:55.180at a young age to any man passing by to a government program even to a school system
00:06:02.280And what I had a real hard time wrapping my head around is this premise that in the MK Ultra program, this government spy training, assassin training program, that the intel community used their own children as the guinea pigs.
00:06:21.840Can you talk about your own family history and how actually the worst abuses were inflicted on some of these people's own family?
00:06:57.000My father turned to me and said, this is what I raised you for.
00:06:59.260and I've heard other survivors went through exactly the same process and their fathers said
00:07:05.580the same thing and and so it was a a scripted event and then when I was in the program I was
00:07:15.400six years old starting at six years old and even at that time they were describing
00:07:19.900how lucky I was because I was in the program as a what they called the goats and the goats were
00:07:26.660the bloodline families, meaning my family were, my uncle was one of the founders of the NSA.
00:07:32.640My, uh, five of my uncles had been at Nuremberg and then later were in the founding of the CIA.0.84
00:07:39.220So it was, uh, it was like, like, uh, and they were all Satanists and pedophiles. So I'm not,
00:07:45.280I mean, this is, this is what could go wrong. So, um, about like our government today.
00:07:50.400Well, that's the basis of it. So this was 1947 when the CIA was formed, and it was formed by people who were pedophiles and Satanists, and then they grabbed a lot of power by enlisting Nazis.
00:08:05.540I mean, one of their first employees was Reinhard Gellin, who had been Hitler's head of secret service and was then from then on working with the CIA and not just him, but his entire spy network in Germany.0.53
00:08:22.900So, I mean, they just recruited the Nazis right into the CIA and they were all esoteric followers of the esoteric Satanists and pedophiles.0.67
00:08:34.260And so the group of children that were their children,0.74
00:08:39.320so the heads of agencies, high-level military,
00:08:42.820I mean, that's who they put in at the beginning.
00:10:01.400I think that some people will watch this and say, gosh, is this just a story that Dr. Engel is telling?
00:10:09.100So could you take maybe a moment and talk about the survivor network of people who are out there saying that they have endured this MKUltra torture?
00:10:21.540So, I went into the program. The program started in 1953. That's when MKUltra was funded and the CIA began setting up annexes. Within a few years, they had 80 annexes around the United States and began conducting programs using the Nazi scientists that had been imported from the concentration camps.
00:10:46.140And they gave all those Nazi scientists the same name, didn't they?0.50
00:10:48.960In the program, they were all Dr. Green.
00:10:51.800So there were a bunch of people named Dr. Green at these secret CIA labs with what kind of accent?
00:10:58.700Well, they had, you know, I didn't know, but they had accents.
00:11:18.540The German. There'd be a Dr. White, who was an absolute brute. And then there would be Nanny Blacks. And the Nanny Blacks were androgynous. You couldn't tell if they were men or women. And they wore long black robes, and they took care of us.0.99
00:13:59.600And to influence their thoughts, ultimately, without them knowing that it's you doing it.
00:14:08.760And the time travel, the predicting the future, was something they really wanted to do.0.81
00:14:14.140And this comes right out of the Nazi research.0.86
00:14:16.620Right. The Nazis had believed that they were going to break dimensions and they were willing to do these horrific experiments on children.0.62
00:14:25.120And then when we caught them, we were like, well, hey, before all of this science just goes to waste, we'll go put it put it to use here in the United States.
00:14:34.040So obviously I'm an outsider to this and just a casual observer of this story, just having read a few things about it, watched a few videos.
00:14:42.140I understand. But what what I've always heard is that ultimately the outcome of these programs was that they just essentially tortured innocent people and nothing came of it.
00:14:52.880There was no results. You know, Gottlieb got nothing out of it. There was no one was psychic. But you're saying that's not true.
00:14:58.960No, that's not true. They got a lot out of it and it continues. And I'll talk about how as I grew up and they went through the training and they developed what my psi abilities, I mean, they trained me projecting emotions and getting response from animals.
00:15:22.160I spent a whole summer out at Coyote Hills at Stanford Research Institute with elephant seals so that I could I could survive going in an elephant seal tank.
00:15:33.780I mean, and the seals liked me because we had it.
00:15:37.960We had a rapport that no one else had.
00:15:46.640So after going through that, I was sent to the Presidio in San Francisco, and the Presidio is an ancient fort, and if you can go down into the tunnels, you can tell that it's an ancient structure with a very deep history that isn't well known.
00:16:11.240But part of the Presidio is a point of the Starfort that points exactly northwest out into the point, they call it the Slice, where the tide change, where the water comes rushing under the Golden Gate Bridge past Fort Point.
00:16:33.380And at the point that the tide hits, the ocean water hits the bay water.
00:16:40.420So you've got salt water, brackish water coming together with the greatest tidal force on Earth happens there.
00:16:47.460And at that point, they believed you could jump into that.
00:16:51.000If you could separate your spiritual and your energetic body, you can, they called it riding the slice, going into there and transferring into other times.
00:17:02.960You cannot transfer into other places.
00:22:55.400So they were always appearing in my life, always taking me off to Saturnalias or Black Masses or ritual abuse, whatever.
00:23:07.800And when I was in my early teens and they moved to Laurel Canyon, they got funded to set up, I don't know the background of it, but quite an area, that neighborhood in Laurel Canyon.
00:23:27.540They had a commune, and it was part of a big blackmail operation,
00:23:36.220which is what I think they were in charge of all along.
00:23:39.040So how would the freaks blackmail people?
00:23:40.960Well, the freaks were teenage girls like me,
00:23:43.900and the song Young Girls Are Coming to the Canyon,
00:23:46.920we'd come on a bus from all over Los Angeles, San Francisco,
00:23:53.700wherever we'd be brought there on the weekend,
00:23:57.100And we'd walk up to the compound, Vita Palakas' house, and they would give us costumes to wear,
00:24:08.440and they would choreograph dances and tell us exactly how to set people up at parties for blackmail.
00:24:20.500How would you set people up for parties at blackmail?
00:24:22.440Well, Laurel Canyon was, and several of those canyons around Hollywood, were sites where there were a lot of parties for record execs and people in the music business.
00:24:35.740And they wanted to get their, this is where the frequencies connected with the music business, connected with entertainment.
00:24:45.160They wanted to get their frequencies, which they had inculcated into the music.
00:24:50.340They wanted to get that sold and out in the music business.
00:24:54.200So the best way for them to do that, in their minds, was to compromise and blackmail record executives.
00:25:01.620So they would take any of these awful groups, because a lot of them were really bad, but they got enormous contracts.
00:25:11.240And our role as the freaks, we were young, underage girls.
00:25:17.060We'd be dressed in practically nothing or nothing.
00:25:20.800Some of them, lots of times, they had us just wearing body paint.
00:25:24.740And we'd be driven up to the executive's party, and the music would be going wild,
00:25:31.300and you could tell the frequencies were just being pulsed out there.
00:25:35.860And they would set us loose, and we had been given targets.
00:25:41.340So I knew in advance which man I was going to target and what to target them with, you know, what appeals to this person.
00:25:52.680And so we each had targets, and it was men and women.
00:25:57.800And our job was to get them high on LSD or whatever it was they were experimenting with.
00:26:04.140I didn't know, but they would dispense it on blotters of filter paper.
00:26:09.040they would put the drugs on the filter paper and we would get it in the subject's mouth and then0.54
00:26:15.120the subject would just sort of lose all control we'd get them naked we'd be naked we'd have them
00:26:20.800on the ground I knew who the photographers were I knew where the lighting was good I mean they
00:26:26.800trained us to get the photos we were we were uh the agents of the downfall of the person that we
00:26:36.460were attacking, and we only, we did it, I had, you know, you should regret that, you
00:26:44.540should feel like, and I did try confessing a few times, but nobody would believe me that
00:26:51.260I was doing this, but they would have killed us, and we would have starved, and.
00:27:01.040And this happened at Disneyland as well?
00:27:03.720It started at Disneyland. The training started at Disneyland when they took a group of us down there when I was seven.
00:27:12.620And they just dumped me out at Frontierland and hadn't eaten anything for a long time.
00:27:19.720And if I wanted to eat, I had to go find a daddy.
00:27:23.700And so I had to go find a daddy and get him to buy me a cheeseburger and then take me on the wild toad ride.
00:27:30.060because I knew that the wild toad ride,
00:27:33.620in the 60s, this would be in the 50s even,
00:27:36.760the wild toad ride would reach a place,
00:28:58.060was going to happen there uh i was going to um they they started programming me to find an entrance
00:29:09.420to the ross telecom communication center which is right in the right near the kremlin and it was
00:29:16.220the point where all communications from the soviet union you know all international communications
00:29:22.620went through one point and they uh cia and western intelligence had never been able to infiltrate it
00:29:30.780and and so day after day after day we would go through the wheel and then we'd go through the
00:29:37.660warm-ups and then we'd go through the the side training and they would drop me in in the side
00:29:43.500They'd drop me in Red Square and I'd have to find my way through what that time was Red Square in the 1950s and 60s and find the entrance to the Ross Telecom building and get in there and sabotage the wires.
00:30:04.720and the very bizarre thing is that 30 years later when uh i had left all of this i did get to the
00:30:13.740rest telecom building i did get to the site where they um where the all the communications equipment
00:30:21.680had been it wasn't there anymore and the rest telecom people you know they took me down there
00:30:27.320and said you know i don't know why you want to look at this but um so i did find the entrance
00:30:32.100And wound up in my office, I wound up in an office right next to the Ross Telecom building, which actually had a secret staircase that transferred over.
00:30:43.080You could go underground and you could go into the telecommunications center.
00:30:46.880And so it matched what you had been trained for.
00:31:12.240And from what I understand, Sparky was a personality.
00:31:15.600Can you explain what Sparky was and how that worked?
00:31:18.700Yeah, Sparky, we moved constantly because half the time I'd be with my family,
00:31:26.820half the time I'd be in an annex getting programmed.
00:31:30.020But they wanted me to be able to look like a normal person.
00:31:33.240So half the time I was with my family and the schools would immediately pick up that something was wrong.
00:31:42.180And so within a very short period of time, we had social workers and doctors and my parents would pick up and move.
00:31:51.420And to handle that constant changing, I picked different personas.
00:31:55.500So each time I picked a different name, a different character, I spent like half a year as a horse, you know, just just just that was dissociation living outside of myself.
00:32:09.460And Sparky was the character. Sparky McGregor is the only name I knew from my family's past that I admired were the McGregors.
00:32:20.700And interestingly enough, that's my connection to Michael Aquino.
00:32:24.800But Sparky McGregor was the character that I assumed at the age of 10.
00:32:31.760And at the age of 10, I was starting to go into puberty.
00:32:34.560So I was moving from being a magical thinker to being an adult thinker.
00:32:42.560And, and, uh, at the same time, becoming aware that, uh, we, we recently visited the Imperial
00:34:22.900But see, as they were doing all these tactics to Juliet, one way her dissociation broke out was actually creating a persona that gave her an escape when these terrible things were happening.
00:34:37.160Speaking of escape, no story would be complete with how you broke free of this, that you write in Sparky about this daring escape you make at age 17. Walk us through it.
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00:35:16.040Matt G for 15% off your first order. Yeah, I was, it was a freak extravaganza out at Murphy Hot
00:35:25.160Springs, which is now Esalen Swanky Resort. But in the 1960s, it was a hot springs in a cornfield
00:35:33.900and they would have concerts out there and they would helicopter in record execs. So it was that
00:35:39.840kind of thing. And I was playing tambourine and I was out there. Charles Manson was always the one
00:35:45.880playing backup with other studio session musicians.
00:35:52.340And so I had practically no clothes on and lots of flowers all over my body and no shoes.
00:36:01.180And during a break, my handler came in through the barbed wire fence.
00:36:08.260The gate opened and drove in with his car and then he passed out.
00:36:13.820so there was a car running the gate open i couldn't get him perfect opportunity yeah i
00:36:20.540wasn't gonna pass that up sounds like a bond yeah it does yeah you know grabbing a key getting in
00:36:25.060the car driving down a down a dark road i mean that that's what it took to escape it sounds like
00:36:30.660yeah and i'd done a lot of planning in advance i i'd gotten myself accepted early to the university
00:36:36.100of washington and uh so that was one of the places you were abused i know so i turned right around
00:36:42.460and went back there so so the story it's actually I think I understand now what the escape was and
00:36:51.720the escape was an escape from their their ability to control me at all well the University of
00:36:56.920Washington is where you alleged the CIA had a secret facility to torture you yes and they did
00:37:01.780it's where you went to college it's where you went to medical school and for anyone who thinking that
00:37:08.800you're someone who's lost contact with reality. You were a professor at the University of
00:37:13.260Washington after an associate professor, correct? Yes. And, uh, also, uh, yeah, I graduated first
00:37:19.620in my class in medical school. You can't debate that. And, uh, I was awarded the humanitarian
00:37:25.560prize from the medical school in, I think, 2014. And did you, did you, when you escaped,
00:37:35.220Was there a point where you compartmentalized that point in your life and forgot about it?
00:40:23.960because remember the cia was not admitting to any of this my family was not admitting to any of this
00:40:30.740and when i would ask my family about what why did you sell me you know things like that because i
00:40:37.440would ask they would they would just tell me i was crazy and i should shut up or i'd wind up in an
00:40:42.780asylum like other people in my family which who had probably been punished for trying to speak out
00:40:53.600But it was when my daughter was born, and I had a little tiny carbon copy of myself, and I thought I had to know how to take care of this little perfect being.
00:41:07.860And that's when, you know, you would normally look at your own childhood and say, okay, what did I like?
00:41:21.880And what I got was so horrendous and so awful that I was ready to, if any of that was going to come out of me and go to my daughter, then I was going to commit unaliving right then and there.
00:41:42.560And I got a gun and I was very close, but I wasn't all the way there.
00:41:49.320And the advantage I've had over other survivors, many of whom have gone ahead and unaligned themselves, was that I was a physician and I knew psychiatrists.
00:42:02.200I knew I had friends, you know, so I chose a psychiatrist that I knew was totally straight and would just tell me the truth and went to him and asked if I was crazy.
00:46:06.880So when I would bring, I selected specialists that I knew would come over and really teach them, you know, the latest antiseptic technique or surgical technique or we got refurbished ultrasounds and we brought them over.
00:46:24.920We got all kinds of things, which the Russians then reversed engineered and created their own.1.00
00:46:32.220I mean, that's a good thing, though.0.96
00:46:33.840Yeah, and you also wonder, like, the extent to which those type of missions really did contribute to the collapse of the Soviet Union, ultimately, because there were these exchanges, whether it was athletics or medicine.
00:46:48.380Yeah, the areas where you could kind of put politics on the side and just do...
00:46:54.140I think we can all agree hospitals need soap.
00:46:56.540Yeah, and that, like, you know, nobody was going to be against helping babies get born as some, you know, feature of hard power.
00:47:02.580But you wonder how many of those things really did chip away at at the regime there.
00:47:08.800They all I don't know that you get the fall without some of those efforts.
00:47:13.300I am 100 percent convinced that they were hugely influential because like when it's it's the St.
00:47:21.720Elsewhere thing, we would go in there and tell them how we did things and they would take that as the absolute gold standard, which it was because these were top level people coming in.
00:47:30.700And then they reset their entire system based on that.
00:47:34.960And there were excellent projects coming in.
00:47:37.940So after enduring MKUltra surviving, after becoming a successful physician, after doing a geopolitically significant technology transfer to save countless innocent babies, you then really took aim at some of the human trafficking and sex trafficking in Russia.
00:47:58.540Can you take a moment and talk about that mission?0.60
00:48:00.260Yeah, and that's where Psy really kept me alive.
00:48:52.660What would happen to the young women and girls who would age out of that foster care system?
00:48:58.980Well, typically, like one specific orphanage on the very northern border of Russia, the border with Finland in Karelia,
00:49:09.740I had very close relationships with them, and I came up one winter bringing a delivery of winter coats, and the teenage girls were all gone.
00:49:18.160and no one would tell me where they went
00:54:51.520And then we had to talk her into taking the police to the brothel where all the other girls were.0.99
00:54:57.940And that was the key to success because we'd pick up one, but we could pick up 200, you know, by breaking into the brothel network.0.69
00:55:09.320And the police, if they could go fast before the brothel owners even know we had the girl.
00:55:14.340This all sounds so dangerous. And the powerful interests you were fighting against, unquestionably at some point, tried to find out who was disrupting them.
00:55:26.800And I wonder if the dissociation that was created early in life in MKUltra, in some bizarre way, ended up dissociating you from some of the risks in these experiences.0.78