The Auron MacIntyre Show - August 03, 2026


Can America Avoid Imperial Collapse？ ｜ Guest： News Fist ｜ 8⧸3⧸26


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00:00:00.000 hey everybody how's it going thanks for joining me this afternoon i've got a great stream with
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00:01:01.280 all right guys if you've been with us you know that we have been moving through the historian
00:01:08.160 john glubb's famous essay on empires and how they are born and how they die we've gone through this
00:01:15.740 whole thing took us a little longer than we thought but this should be the final episode
00:01:20.540 and this one is going to be about of course how the final collapse happens and most importantly
00:01:27.840 for us is there anything you can do about it can you escape this fate are you locked in to this
00:01:33.700 track is this determinism uh you know 100 or ultimately are there active steps we can do
00:01:39.580 to avoid this or at the very least delay this as much as possible joining me as always for the
00:01:45.720 series is mr news fist thank you so much for joining me man always a pleasure oran thank you
00:01:49.960 very much for having me absolutely people have really been enjoying your appearances especially
00:01:54.780 in this series so i think that this has been a good success and i'm very glad that we embarked
00:02:00.300 on this one though again it went a little longer than we expected but it's it's a fascinating
00:02:04.760 document it's a you know we our problem is that we always spend so much more time talking about
00:02:09.080 it than reading it because there's always these thought-provoking things that glove is bringing
00:02:13.160 out and remember guys glove is wrong about things right like even if you just look at the uh the
00:02:18.460 length of empires the way he breaks it down in different circumstances he is making mistakes but
00:02:24.700 ultimately just like any thinker we want to look for what we can draw out of it just because it's
00:02:30.020 not perfect doesn't mean that we can't mine really important insights out of it so remember no matter
00:02:35.640 who we're reading and who we're talking about whether it be you know controversial figures
00:02:40.200 like Carl Schmitt or Machiavelli or Alexander Dugan or you know John Glove's analysis here
00:02:47.060 we're not just wholesale endorsing whatever we're reading we're looking at it we're trying to
00:02:51.600 understand the valuable parts we might be critical point out where things fail where they break down
00:02:55.860 where we disagree but it is that journey of going through the text and breaking it down and
00:03:01.120 understanding each piece that makes this worthwhile that said let's go ahead and begin here with human
00:03:08.240 diversity i'm sure this will not be controversial at all generalizations are always dangerous human
00:03:15.220 beings are all different. The variety in human life is endless. If this be the case with
00:03:20.900 individuals, it must much more so be with nations and cultures. No two societies, no two peoples,
00:03:27.940 no two cultures are exactly the same. In these circumstances, it'll be easy for critics to find
00:03:33.460 many objections to what has been said and to point out the exceptions to these generalizations.
00:03:39.400 There is some value in comparing the lives of nations to those of individuals.
00:03:43.400 No two persons in the world are identical. Moreover, their lives are often affected by
00:03:48.640 accidents or illness, making the divergence even more obvious. Yet, in fact, we can generalize
00:03:58.060 about human life from many different aspects. The characteristics of childhood, adolescence,
00:04:03.260 youth, middle and old age are well known. Some adolescents, it is true, are prematurely wise
00:04:09.860 and serious. Some persons in middle age will seem to be young, but the exceptions do not
00:04:14.900 invalidate the general character of human life from the cradle to the grave. I venture to submit
00:04:19.640 that the lives of nations follow a similar pattern. Superficially, all seem to be completely
00:04:24.200 different. Some years ago, a suggestion was submitted to a certain television corporation
00:04:28.860 that a series of talks on Arab history would form an interesting sequence. The proposal was
00:04:34.700 immediately vetoed for the director of the programs with the remark, what earthly interests
00:04:39.580 could the history of medieval Arabs have for the general public today yet in fact the history of
00:04:45.180 the Arab imperial age from conquest through commercialism to affluence into intellectualism
00:04:50.960 science and decadence is an exact precursor to the British imperial history and lasted almost
00:04:57.260 exactly the same time if British historians a century ago had devoted serious study to the
00:05:03.540 Arab empire, it would have foreseen almost everything that happened in Britain down to 1976.
00:05:10.060 So Glove is making the very obvious case that yes, peoples are different. Nations are different. All
00:05:15.400 of these things have very huge differences, and it's not just in their nature, but you could have
00:05:20.520 diseases, you could have disease, you could have famine, you could have all of these events that
00:05:26.080 are entirely out of your control that impact a general life cycle. That said, just because there
00:05:32.820 are vast differences between the different nations and peoples does not mean we cannot
00:05:37.480 draw general conclusions about human nature, the life cycles of civilizations, the way
00:05:43.340 that states and societies form.
00:05:46.340 These are things we can't observe through general principle.
00:05:49.400 And when we have that grasp, even when we are looking at countries that seem very, very
00:05:55.080 different, peoples with very different traditions or understandings, ultimately, we can use
00:06:00.500 that general knowledge to draw conclusions and this is just a very simple uh you know thing that
00:06:06.740 we need to grasp that yes there are always these different variables we can't just generalize
00:06:11.900 everything and pour everything into the same bucket every time but we aren't interested in
00:06:16.680 just pointing out all the differences that doesn't do us any good if we're trying to have a general
00:06:21.660 understanding of where these things are going what is happening in a way that is useful and predictive
00:06:26.280 for us to implement we need to be willing to take the entire breadth of human experience
00:06:31.240 and study it for the things that we can at some level universalize i don't i i know it's
00:06:38.780 maybe it's the the sign of the times you know oh you know everyone's different are they
00:06:45.220 really i mean i i know it's it's sort of been invoked to like say that but
00:06:49.740 my general observation particularly over like i guess the last few years is that
00:06:54.500 the the generalizations are actually much more accurate than most people want to realize
00:06:58.880 i would also take issue it's it's kind of funny seeing glob um moaning about the fact that someone
00:07:05.180 didn't want to do a tv program it's like oh it would have been totally fascinating if they if
00:07:11.480 they just give me the give me the money in bbc like totally bounced him um love is totally the uh
00:07:16.680 the arab version of a weeb right like he's just obsessed with the foreign culture and he inserts
00:07:21.260 it whenever possible uh even though it seems highly irrelevant to most people he's a musweeb
00:07:27.040 or something perhaps yes yeah um this this assertion um that he says i presume this is
00:07:33.180 sort of central to his work this idea that's uh if only britain in 19 you know in in whenever he
00:07:39.440 was like writing um had studied the arab empire it would have known everything that would have
00:07:45.920 happened up to 1976 i i highly doubt that number one and number two um no one's going to be
00:07:53.880 convinced of that i i think there's if if if glub is correct then possibly one of the things that
00:08:00.220 he leaves out is that any sort of analysis like this is going to suffer from cassandra syndrome
00:08:05.980 no one no one ever wants to be told oh yeah by the way your empire has like a finite life cycle
00:08:12.320 and no no no everyone's gonna be like no no no you don't understand where we're different right
00:08:16.980 uh you know our racial purity or our incredible academics or our fine art or our incredible army
00:08:22.580 will save us from the predation of of entropy so i don't i i don't i mean i i guess it's easy being
00:08:31.320 an academic and just saying like oh if only everyone had listened to me everything would
00:08:36.760 turned out fine except and it's interesting because of course it also contradicts kind of
00:08:42.680 his own implication in this essay that these factors are largely unavoidable uh that these
00:08:50.900 are the natural life cycles that these are the rhythms that there it doesn't matter if you're
00:08:54.820 authoritarian or democratic doesn't matter if you're military or mercantile uh eventually you
00:09:00.660 all head through these phases you all inevitably move through this life cycle of civilizations
00:09:05.120 this you know the the whole civilizational cycle is completely kind of locked into human nature
00:09:11.640 well if that's true then having information on the fact that you know you do eventually
00:09:17.040 go through these periods in decline it doesn't matter because you're going to go through them
00:09:21.020 anyway and there is this is where like the fatalism of cyclical history really steps in
00:09:28.920 right because you see this again reflected in cyclical historians like Oswald Spangler where
00:09:34.480 He says, ultimately, you know, it's at the end of civilizations where wise men put into their tomes all the things about the the civilization that can no longer be changed.
00:09:45.460 Right. They know the inevitability. They know the truth. They know the cycles. Spangler himself sees himself playing this role.
00:09:51.320 And to be fair to Spangler and even to Glob to some degree, like ultimately you can do nothing else.
00:09:58.300 That's kind of Spengler's whole point. If you are in civilizational winter, you can never be the children of spring. You can never be the ones who are lighting the civilization again and fighting for a vigorous and vital society. It's not an option available to you.
00:10:18.240 So it's not even a criticism from Spangler, who himself is doing the very thing he's talking about, of kind of, you know, putting in these tomes the inevitability of the decline of his civilization.
00:10:29.820 It's simply something that is inescapable.
00:10:32.840 And this is why, you know, Spangler has the famous optimism is cowardice, right?
00:10:37.220 He talks about the Roman centurion standing as the lava flows towards him in Pompeii and standing his watch no matter what, even though his death is inevitable, because this is what a noble man does.
00:10:51.080 He accepts the inevitability of his fate and faces it honorably.
00:10:56.180 And so there is a certain level of kind of irony that Glob is talking about the inevitability of these cycles, but seems, at least when it comes to his own little pet area of Arab history, to say, well, if only you had known about this, then you could have made all of these changes.
00:11:12.580 And of course, to some extent, that is what we are doing today, right? We are uncovering these texts of cyclical history because we feel ourselves to be in the same position, right? We're mining through the inevitability of these issues because we can almost feel the inevitability bearing down on us.
00:11:31.080 And I would just say that whether you think that we have the ability to revive the civilization or not, ultimately, the point is, you don't get to cop out of your responsibilities, even if you think you're in the decline, you don't get to suddenly abandon your post and say, well, then nothing can be done.
00:11:50.780 And it doesn't matter what I do, because ultimately, you know, we're locked locked in the cycle. No, you still have agency, you still have duty, you still have to behave honorably and work to better your life and the life of people around you. And so even if you do embrace this view of history, remember that that does not then absolve you of personal agency.
00:12:10.960 i still think that cyclical history is a better model than linear history though at least if you
00:12:17.640 if you believe in in cyclical history you could be on the lookout for for a decline whereas the
00:12:24.160 linear history the idea that everything is just going to keep getting better like no matter what
00:12:27.840 we do right because we're like so incredibly awesome seems like it's got even more pitfalls
00:12:32.260 than um than cyclical history i mean look at look at where the the i mean where europe is now sort
00:12:38.860 of you know basically obsessed with the idea of linear history oh everything's going to just keep
00:12:43.440 getting better all we need to do is add more laws and more regulations and you know more contrived
00:12:49.080 rights and you know through sort of this magic process of of alchemy things will just continue
00:12:54.340 to get better i i think if more people believed in cyclical history there might be more people
00:12:59.960 watching out for the signs of decline and being like no no listen we don't want to we don't want
00:13:05.960 they wouldn't take um progress uh historical progress for granted well and as i always say
00:13:12.640 you know i i i agree with you very much so that wig history is a disaster disastrous model to
00:13:18.600 to understand history but i always say that we're we're kind of in the the dna helix you know uh
00:13:25.180 of history you know where it yes it it spirals back but it's always progressing a little bit
00:13:30.880 each time it's not that it's i don't think it's totally cyclical and i don't think it's totally
00:13:35.440 linear which i understand is uh you know uh putting me as some kind of a moderate fence
00:13:40.680 sitter but i do think that ultimately we see the patterns of history uh they're undeniable
00:13:45.700 in many ways unavoidable but they do change every time depending on kind of this forward progress
00:13:52.400 uh so the the the dynamics do i think uh alter quite radically as you move forward in time even
00:13:59.340 though those patterns continuously emerge throughout you want to hit a variety of calls
00:14:04.940 there uh 34 a variety of falls sounds like a nature reserve it has been shown that normally
00:14:14.300 the rise and fall of great nations are due to internal reasons alone 10 generations of human
00:14:20.220 beings suffice to transform the hardy and enterprising pioneer into the capitus citizen
00:14:26.260 of the welfare state uh capitus uh captius uh it basically means fickle he uses it a bunch in this
00:14:34.120 uh whereas the life histories of the great nations show an unexpected uniformity the nature of their
00:14:40.140 falls depends largely on outside circumstances and thus shows a high degree of diversity
00:14:46.220 the roman republic as we have seen was followed by the empire which became a super state in which
00:14:52.800 all of the natives of the mediterranean basin regardless of race possessed equal rights the
00:14:57.780 name of rome originally a city-state passed from it to an equalitarian international empire
00:15:03.800 this empire broke in half the western half being overrun by northern barbarians the eastern half
00:15:09.700 forming the east roman or byzantine empire the vast arab empire broke up in the 9th century
00:15:15.880 into many fragments of which one former colony colony muslim spain ran its own 250 year course
00:15:22.180 as an independent empire the homelands of syria and iraq however were conquered by successive
00:15:28.080 waves of turks to whom they remained subject for a thousand years the mamaluk empire of egypt and
00:15:34.720 syria on the other hand was conquered in one campaign by the ottomans excuse me the native
00:15:41.580 population merely suffering a change of masters the spanish empire 1500 to 1750 endured for the
00:15:49.060 conventional 250 years terminated only by the loss of its colonies the homeland of spain fell
00:15:55.080 indeed from its high estate of a superpower but remained as an independent nation until today
00:16:01.360 well it's not independent anymore romanov russia from 1682 to 1916 ran the normal course but was
00:16:08.400 succeeded by the soviet union it is unnecessary to labor the point which we may attempt to
00:16:14.180 summarize briefly any regime which attains great wealth and power seems with remarkable
00:16:19.020 regularity to decay and fall apart in some 10 generations the ultimate fate of its component
00:16:24.600 parts however does not depend on its internal nature but on the other organizations which
00:16:29.920 appear at the time of its collapse and succeed in devouring its heritage thus the lives of great
00:16:35.460 powers are surprisingly uniform but the results of their falls are completely diverse interesting
00:16:42.320 so this is yeah very fascinating he puts an emphasis on the internal decay that yes
00:16:49.080 there are ultimately you know some barbarians that come by and kind of knock the civilization
00:16:54.920 down uh sure there are uh you know things like we talked about that are uncontrollable like famine or
00:17:00.920 plague or these kind of things that might finish the job off of any given civilization but it is
00:17:06.440 a spiritual decline right that that's really the focus here is that uh the life cycle is almost
00:17:13.080 entirely spiritual uh both the rise and the fall the vigor and the decadence uh all come from you
00:17:20.060 know this journey that people go through uh as as a collective nation and it's interesting because
00:17:26.280 of course he points out that the decadence is is an issue here uh that that is always uh you know
00:17:31.800 a big problem and when you look at uh some efforts that even say like a civilization like sparta
00:17:39.180 made to ensure they kept their people poor, personally poor for a reason, to try to avoid
00:17:47.380 exactly this. And Machiavelli warns against this. He says that you need to keep the citizens of your
00:17:51.720 republic basically very poor in order for them to ultimately be virtuous. They can't be virtuous
00:17:58.840 when they have too many goods, too much wealth, excess of these kind of things. And so that's
00:18:05.680 Particularly interesting because, of course, this is the opposite of our current modern understanding of problems, right?
00:18:12.280 The current outlook in our incredibly mercantile and capitalistic kind of worldview is that abundance will solve all problems, that it is the introduction of great wealth that will kind of lift all boats with the tide and ultimately kind of ameliorate all of the issues that come with social decay or decline, right?
00:18:35.460 We defeated the Soviet Union because we had blue jeans, you know, and stocked grocery stores, right? These are the ideas. But of course, we look at the current situation in a place like South Korea, and they're going to, North Korea is going to outlive South Korea.
00:18:50.840 North Korea is a completely devastated totalitarian hellscape, and they're going to outlive their decadent southern capitalistic brethren because there's just a complete end of the desire to continue that civilization in any meaningful sense, despite being incredibly rich comparatively.
00:19:12.920 And so it really is fascinating.
00:19:15.080 I think Glove has a well-founded grasp of human nature in this point.
00:19:20.840 but also the the post-war consensus has um come to sort of mean that the the purpose
00:19:28.520 of life is happiness uh whatever that means in in in practice that often just means hedonism
00:19:35.640 really um this was a great change i remember talking to my father once about this and i i
00:19:41.320 said him you know when when you were growing up what did they you know uh tell you the purpose
00:19:45.480 of life was and he said oh it was to to suffer and die i think he he felt quite bad about that but
00:19:50.700 um objectively speaking i think it makes a lot more sense to to say that the purpose of of life
00:19:58.180 is uh is more in the suffering direction rather than trying to make it so that the purpose of
00:20:03.260 life is simply happiness however that is defined which again winds up basically being hedonism
00:20:11.300 which is destructive for the soul you know Nietzsche of course talks about the last man
00:20:17.300 we would call him the bug man in this scenario right that the man for whom small comforts
00:20:22.420 are everything for missing a meal of you know or or upsetting his stomach or you know being
00:20:28.860 being put in mild danger is is just completely unacceptable and he's willing to give up all
00:20:35.780 ideas of glory or honor or perpetuation of his civilization or his own bloodline simply
00:20:42.860 to ensure that he never has to endure these inconveniences, right?
00:20:49.060 And we can see this reflected in people's unwillingness to form families.
00:20:54.180 There's a lot of reasons why it's hard to have kids these days.
00:20:57.720 It's incredibly expensive.
00:20:59.440 You need to send them to good schools so they're safe because, you know, the diversity has
00:21:04.840 has uh gifted your uh your uh neighborhood uh you know all of its blessings but ultimately
00:21:10.600 the truth is that a people who are confident in themselves who are growing uh they have children
00:21:17.200 no matter what right it's not like uh it's not like the great depression was an easy time to
00:21:21.600 have children but people still had eight nine kids on a regular basis uh despite it being incredibly
00:21:27.660 difficult uh and there's something to understanding that you know the the reason most people don't
00:21:33.580 want to have kids at this point is it's going to cost too much it's going to be too hard it's
00:21:37.980 you're not going to get to go on extra vacations to adult disney or you're not going to and again
00:21:42.720 this is not to um you know this is not to uh kind of boomer shame young people for not having
00:21:49.180 children it's not to sit here and say you don't have any real problems the cost of living hasn't
00:21:52.820 really gone up we're not trying to gaslight anybody on the current difficulties facing uh
00:21:58.540 young parents. But ultimately, I think we're hitting on this fact that if a nation, if a
00:22:04.480 people truly are vital, they are going to continue to produce no matter what the difficulty. They're
00:22:11.140 not going to come up with these excuses of losing something. And no, no, I might not be able to
00:22:16.720 afford this thing, or I might not be able to go to brunch on Sundays. And that means I should put
00:22:22.100 off having children forever. This really is, I think, something that reveals kind of the health
00:22:27.460 of your civilization quite clearly i would go a bit further than that i would say that um
00:22:33.520 to the modern man it's not even eschewing glory and honor in the face of small comforts but the
00:22:41.200 complete abnegation of these ideas in in their totality what what does glory and honor even mean
00:22:47.880 in the modern west like like like really like the glory in in particular seems like such a
00:22:54.260 an old-fashioned word honor as well i mean you know maybe it's coming back but it's not you know
00:23:00.420 like how many politicians would ever get elected in a modern western democracy on the back of glory
00:23:07.140 or honor or or even justice you know is is it's like the the bureaucratic bureaucratic state has
00:23:15.700 just swallowed all of these sort of fundamental parts of humanity and said oh we don't we don't
00:23:21.980 need any of that stuff anymore we have we have hedonism to replace it to to now become the the
00:23:28.060 highest ideal i mean you know glory might you know you might hurt someone's feelings honor you might
00:23:33.100 hurt somebody's feelings right justice you know have you considered the social economic circumstances
00:23:38.320 the funny thing that's that's also true it's such a good insight and you know the other thing you'll
00:23:44.960 notice is um go on social media especially you go on a place like twitter and suggest uh that
00:23:54.420 something might not be changed through the safest most uh low effort uh mode available right if you
00:24:03.280 say i don't know guys i don't think we're gonna like vote our way out of this just like our
00:24:07.200 ancestors didn't when they founded the country people will scream at you they will lose their
00:24:11.540 minds they'll say oh okay are you gonna go lead a battalion there army ranger are you gonna and
00:24:17.440 you know part of a big part of that is of course they know you're right and they need to it's like
00:24:24.940 crabs in a bucket you know the most important thing is not for you to do something to have
00:24:29.560 a glorious life to to make a difference the most important thing is that you pull everybody else
00:24:35.240 down so your smallness doesn't feel so small right like the idea that you you would assert
00:24:41.380 that there's that there's something worth sacrificing for that we might need to upset the
00:24:46.200 the incredibly comfortable apple cart even for a moment it sends people to a blind rage i i see you
00:24:53.540 beefing with these with these people on on twitter on my timeline and i think what has essentially
00:24:58.280 happened since the end of world war ii is that the scope of things that have been defined by
00:25:04.400 world war ii has steadily grown and grown and grown and grown to the point where it has become
00:25:09.180 in the minds of people that um what caused the ructions of the early 20th century was a basically
00:25:17.080 too much change essentially right changing changing stuff uh too fast you know or which
00:25:23.200 has then atrophied into changing anything at all really uh because when you try and interrogate
00:25:29.460 these people really at you know it always again comes back to the early 20th century and the idea
00:25:35.200 that if if we change stuff too much the the the incredible at the same time these people seem to
00:25:41.760 think that uh modern liberal capitalism is is incredibly stable um and yet uh any kind of
00:25:47.900 drastic change will completely collapse the entire thing i i think that deep down they they realize
00:25:53.620 the fragility of the current system that we live under and it's just it's just really ideology
00:26:00.080 because the the they believe that the precepts that underlie the system are correct um therefore
00:26:06.640 the only sort of way to fix the system is to keep those underlying precepts as being correct
00:26:11.980 regardless of what the facts on the ground actually deliver uh like just for example just
00:26:17.560 the idea that everyone is equal i look i know it's in the u.s constitution and all that kind
00:26:22.260 of like stuff but um that is just obviously not true i'm i'm sorry to break this to people but
00:26:29.360 this is this is clearly false um you can you can ideology ideologize about it as much as you want
00:26:37.620 you can say it would be a beautiful world if everybody like was equal but you you cannot
00:26:42.440 really say with a straight face that um a serial killer is is equal to someone who employs like a
00:26:51.860 hundred thousand people it's it's it's just you know but since the principle is right since the
00:26:58.700 ideology is right they persist nonetheless well this is what this is what grants it the cassandra
00:27:04.320 quality right precisely um so where are we up to 35 uh inadequacy of our history historical studies
00:27:13.980 inadequacy of our historical studies in fact the modern nations of the west have derived only
00:27:20.180 limited value from their historical studies because they have never made them big enough
00:27:24.120 i don't think that's the issue no not at all for history to have meaning as we have already stated
00:27:31.280 it must be the history of the human race oh okay i feel like i'm not gonna like this far from
00:27:37.760 achieving such an ideal our historical studies are largely limited to the history of our own
00:27:43.040 country during the lifetime of the present nature this is just glob moaning that he is not a more
00:27:48.180 prominent scholar thus the time factor is too short to allow the longer rhythms of the rise
00:27:54.520 and fall of nations even to be noticed as the television director indicated it never even
00:28:00.060 crosses our minds that longer periods could be of any interest he's really butthurt he didn't get
00:28:05.620 that tv show i'm gonna write an essay about it and everything i'll show the bbc he wrote us he
00:28:14.740 he writes a whole 26 page essay just to spite a tv producer like the actual motivation uh when we
00:28:22.060 read the history of our own nation we find the actions of our ancestors described as glorious
00:28:26.940 well not anymore we don't while those of other people's are depicted as mean tyrannical or
00:28:32.260 cowardly this is not true in the modern world anymore it is the exactly the inverse thus our
00:28:38.340 history is intentionally not based on facts all history is like this we are emotionally unwilling
00:28:46.160 to accept that our forebears might have been mean or cowardly alternatively there are political
00:28:52.520 schools of history slanted to discredit the actions of our past leaders in order to support
00:28:57.360 modern political movements in all these cases history is not an attempt to ascertain the truth
00:29:03.100 but a system of propaganda devoted to the furtherance of modern projects or the gratification
00:29:08.580 of national vanity excuse me men can scarcely be blamed for not learning from history the history
00:29:14.780 they are taught there is nothing to learn from it because it is not true if i may just interject
00:29:20.200 look all history is political i'm sorry okay um the reason why all all history is political is
00:29:27.480 that if you were to take every single historical fact imagine as like a a bunch of colored marbles
00:29:34.780 and you spread them out on the ground it looks completely chaotic the only way the human mind
00:29:38.960 can make sense of this scattered domain of facts is to build them into a narrative once a society
00:29:45.260 has a narrative by definition perforce it becomes a political act because what that narrative
00:29:50.760 privileges or denies or what it says about a people or where people should go
00:29:56.120 is inherently political all history is political you can't get around it sorry are you telling me
00:30:02.880 that herodotus was not just giving me the straight facts i don't know yes i am actually i i don't
00:30:08.920 believe it now um the funny thing is of course also globes insistence that history is of course
00:30:15.000 like the grand unifying theory right uh and this reminds me of uh philosophical supremacists guys
00:30:21.960 like plato or or strauss who think that you know philosopher kings are the key right every everybody
00:30:27.900 thinks that the key is the thing that they are the expert if i if you just understood the thing
00:30:33.360 i'm obsessed with then i could rule everyone benevolently you know this is just the the
00:30:38.660 approach we have so often so i think we're seeing a mixture of uh as you say a little a little bit
00:30:43.080 of spurned uh you know tv production from from uh glove but also uh kind of the emergence of just
00:30:49.400 like the the supremacy of his discipline if only under you know the tech guys think tech saves the
00:30:54.020 world money guys think money saves the world uh you know science guys think science saves the world
00:30:58.360 philosophers think philosophy saves the world and guess what historians they they think history is
00:31:03.160 the key um so uh you know i don't i don't begrudge him here i guess it's entirely uh predictable but
00:31:09.220 it is a little comical uh to see like uh the level of spite he has here and and of course
00:31:14.740 he is wrong because the actual truth is that it is youtubers uh that saved the world as as you and
00:31:20.760 i are are clearly aware yeah i mean pod podcast supremacy uh you know that's right that's right
00:31:26.520 let the podcasters inherit the earth god bless us all okay so much will get done we just won't we
00:31:32.280 won't like sit around just like talking crap all the time no you can bet we will we will get stuff
00:31:36.900 done that's right uh imagine that's just that yeah definitely we're moving towards that system
00:31:43.700 government where each um each country is ruled by its most prominent podcaster like what would
00:31:48.660 be the implication i think we need to do a sketch comedy on that like joe rogan gets to rule america
00:31:54.180 you know like the trigonometry bros rule england you know it's a it's a nightmarish scenario to be
00:32:00.200 sure that would that would legitimately be a pretty funny skit yeah yeah all right uh the small
00:32:06.080 nations uh the world empire the world empires has or the word empires has been used in this essay
00:32:12.120 to signify nations which achieve the status of great powers or superpowers in the jargon of
00:32:16.860 today nations which have dominated the international scene for two or three centuries at any given
00:32:23.120 time however there are also smaller states which are more or less self-contained do the do these
00:32:29.520 live the same lives as the great nations pass through the same phases it seems impossible to
00:32:34.360 generalize on this issue in general in general decadence is the outcome of too long of a period
00:32:39.780 of wealth and power if the smaller country has not shared in the wealth and power it will not
00:32:44.660 share in the decadence so interesting point here he says of course we're mainly concerned with the
00:32:50.300 great powers the the civilizational blocks the empires but there are always nations that are
00:32:54.920 not playing this game that are not playing the game of empire and does that mean that they have
00:32:59.340 the same life cycle can you avoid going through these phases and the inevitable collapse that
00:33:05.160 comes with them if you never embrace empire right that that's a very interesting point a very
00:33:10.040 interesting question i think the answer is yeah i think actually you can have longer live self-contained
00:33:15.320 societies without imperial ambition um now the question of course is is that worth it right like
00:33:22.260 is worth is the continued focus on that um well i guess continuity of civilization for hundreds if
00:33:33.700 not thousands of years is that worth trading the your turn at being the grand imperial leader to
00:33:39.920 you know playing the great game and this is of course a tension that exists in the united states
00:33:45.740 uh many founding fathers worried that if we tried to grow beyond our republican roots that we would
00:33:52.960 inevitably end up exactly where we are right now others said no america must be great we must expand
00:33:59.280 we must become this empire and uh you know i think that a lot of us myself included believe
00:34:05.800 that the united states would have been better off uh attempting to kind of at the very least
00:34:11.280 restrain its imperial ambitions to something more realistic like the monroe doctrine uh that would
00:34:17.360 have kind of kept us naturally hemmed into the north american uh you know kind of borders there
00:34:22.340 we can't do this obviously like ultimately these counterfactuals can never truly be explored
00:34:27.780 uh because what has been done is done and you know we don't know all of the individual
00:34:32.180 aspects maybe if we had not grown to an empire uh some other great european power would have
00:34:37.140 dominated uh the rest of north america or central america or south america maybe ultimately
00:34:42.300 the united states would have collapsed under the weight uh that kind of thing we just don't know
00:34:47.560 and we can never know uh but i do think it's very interesting here that he says you know because you
00:34:52.220 do if you do not engage if you're not uh kind of uh fall to this temptation of imperial expansion
00:34:57.860 you might have a power that ultimately is able to continue on without these alterations and
00:35:03.380 uh you know not not to go too far afield here but this is something i am personally fascinated in
00:35:09.060 because i do think that there is this chain reaction that occurs with expansion and empire
00:35:14.000 that pulls the identity of your uh of your nation apart right as he points out here that identity
00:35:20.000 that spirit that gets dissipated as you pursue empire uh but you know would britain have been
00:35:25.960 great without empire would america have been great without empire would we even care no hard to tell
00:35:31.040 the problem ultimately is scale unfortunately um scale is is is a brutal mistress like you just
00:35:38.880 you cannot get around it like so for example i'm quite a fan of of the city-state model i i think
00:35:46.060 um Machiavelli made a lot of really really good points about you know the the small city state
00:35:53.540 but of course that that brings in its own problem it's it is it is the brutality of scale that
00:35:58.720 really brings so many of these problems if you look at the American empire simply due to its
00:36:04.760 size and reach the British empire was was also the same it winds up having to police more and more
00:36:12.700 and more of the globe and then this combines with sort of this this sort of weird um i guess
00:36:19.740 monetary or religious philanthropy where you like you you want to like sort of help other countries
00:36:24.660 but you know you're getting something out of it as well um i don't know i i think you could
00:36:30.360 probably reframe a lot of glob like just purely as an argument about scale more than anything else
00:36:36.100 the iron law of scale and and this is why certain governments certain governmental structures they
00:36:42.040 just won't work at scale you can't run uh an empire like the u.s on the principles of city
00:36:48.100 state um so i don't know um i agree entirely it's uh you know funny people ask me what's what's like
00:36:56.960 the the main focus of your work if you want to boil your work down to like one sentence what
00:37:02.120 would it be i'm like scale matters that's it like that's that if you if you want to catch the
00:37:07.520 through line in basically everything i'm looking at from the managerial state to the nature of
00:37:12.020 empires, to the nature of what a nation is, I'm trying to explain to people that scale
00:37:18.660 matters. And when you stop being a city-state or a more constrained nation, when you embrace
00:37:26.980 empire, Republican form of government, these other things, they fall by the wayside. You can
00:37:31.500 continue to call yourself whatever you want, but you cannot operate at scale in that mode of
00:37:37.100 government uh and this is something that still blows people's minds i i'm amazed i'll give this
00:37:41.960 i'll tell this to very intelligent very very active uh in government people and they'll just
00:37:47.080 be blown away uh because they just have not never considered this even though i think it's one of
00:37:51.680 those critical things this this is why by the way in my opinion orwell was correct you cannot have
00:37:58.500 a global empire the the problems of scale are just too large if you recall in 1984 he uh he
00:38:05.260 conceivable world that was basically uh the americans the chinese and the europeans i think
00:38:11.880 it was and they all fought continually over this small rectangle that was basically sort of north
00:38:16.620 africa and its environs and um and a whole plot behind the book you know oceania has always been
00:38:23.580 at war with east asia is these three um power blocks two of them would team up in an attempt
00:38:30.460 to defeat the other one and then always fail and then another two would like you know team up
00:38:34.660 because they're, in Orwell's opinion,
00:38:36.780 the problems of scale just preclude the idea of a global empire.
00:38:40.680 I'm sure they're going to give it a try.
00:38:42.300 I'm sure, like, you know, there are some smart people out there
00:38:44.140 full of beans being like, oh, this time, bros, AI.
00:38:47.980 AI is going to, we're going to have a global empire.
00:38:50.540 I just don't think it's possible.
00:38:51.820 Perhaps I'm proven wrong, but I think Orwell was correct on this.
00:38:56.520 Okay.
00:38:59.040 27, oh, sorry, 37.
00:39:01.420 The emerging pattern.
00:39:02.760 in spite of the endless variety and the infinite complications of human life a general pattern
00:39:09.140 does seem to emerge from these considerations it reveals many successive empires covering
00:39:14.920 some 3 000 years as having followed similar stages of development and decline and as having
00:39:21.260 to a surprising degree lived lives of very similar length the life expectation of a great nation it
00:39:28.260 appears commences with a violent and usually unforeseen outburst of energy and ends in a
00:39:34.520 lowering of moral standards cynicism pessimism and frivolity if the present writer were a
00:39:41.440 millionaire if only i had got that deal with bbc he would try to establish in some university or
00:39:49.720 other a department dedicated solely to the study of the rhythm of the rise and fall of powerful
00:39:54.880 nations throughout the world legit that would probably be a pretty cool degree actually history
00:40:00.640 goes back only some 3 000 years because before that period writing was not sufficiently widespread
00:40:05.180 to allow for the survival of detailed records but within that period the number of empires
00:40:11.320 available for study is very great at the commencement of this essay the names of 11 such
00:40:17.320 empires were listed but these included only the middle east and the modern nations of the west
00:40:22.140 india china and southern america were not included because the writer knows nothing about them
00:40:26.900 a school founded to study the rise and fall of empires would probably find at least 24 great
00:40:31.820 powers available for dissection and analysis the task would not be an easy one if indeed the
00:40:37.360 network has so wide as to cover virtually all the world's great nations in 3 000 years
00:40:41.440 the knowledge of language alone to enable detailed investigations to be pursued
00:40:45.560 would present a formidable obstacle.
00:40:50.240 Oh, man.
00:40:51.360 I remember when people in the West used to talk like this.
00:40:54.840 It used to be like, oh, you know,
00:40:55.960 we're looking for like a great unified theory
00:40:58.800 of the, you know, the rise and fall of empires,
00:41:01.760 the wide arc of history.
00:41:03.200 And now everyone's just like, you know,
00:41:04.460 did you see that thing that was on Twitter, bro?
00:41:06.820 Like, you know, when's it all going to fall apart?
00:41:08.840 Like, I'm really like worried about getting stabbed to death.
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00:41:43.960 Simpler times.
00:41:45.000 yeah not not a whole lot to say about uh this one it's mainly glub saying if someone would
00:41:53.080 just give me a bunch of money we could figure this all out uh so and you know man i hear that
00:41:58.060 too in fact you know mr fist and i are prepared to establish this exact program uh at your
00:42:04.240 university uh if you would like to give us a sinecure uh we we will do our best and establish
00:42:10.500 to it so uh you know get get those fabled right-wing donors i've told are just sitting
00:42:15.300 everywhere everywhere with their pocketbooks ready and uh you too can fund your cyclical
00:42:19.940 history studies uh we we don't worry we will figure it out we will know the truth
00:42:24.260 podcasters university it's it's it's gonna be amazing bros like like really you know
00:42:29.760 we joke but we literally have multiple friends who have podcasting universities
00:42:34.080 would it help it is pleasing to imagine that from such studies a regular life pattern of nations
00:42:44.840 would emerge including the analysis of various changes which ultimately led to decline decadence
00:42:51.080 and collapse it is tempting to assume that measures could be adopted to forestall the
00:42:56.260 disastrous effects of the excessive wealth and power and events of subsequent decadence
00:43:03.760 Perhaps some means could be devised to prevent the activist age of conquest and commerce deteriorating into the age of intellect, producing endless talking but no action.
00:43:16.860 It is tempting to think so.
00:43:18.000 Perhaps it is the pattern of the rise and fall of nations where, regularly taught in school, the general public would come to realize the truth and would support policies to maintain the spirit of duty and self-sacrifice
00:43:27.800 and to forestall the accumulation of excessive wealth by one nation leading to the demoralization
00:43:33.460 of the nation. Could not the sense of duty and the initiative needed to give rise to action be
00:43:39.980 retained parallel to the intellectual development and the discoveries of natural science?
00:43:45.380 The answer is doubtful, though. We could but try. The weakness of human nature, however,
00:43:51.060 are so obvious that we cannot be too confident of success. Men bursting with courage, energy,
00:43:56.820 and self-confidence cannot easily be restrained from subduing their neighbors and men who see
00:44:01.620 the prospect of wealth open to them will not readily be prevented from pursuing it perhaps
00:44:07.440 it is not the real interest of humanity that we should so uh we should be so prevented and it is
00:44:13.520 in the periods of wealth and art architecture music science and literature which make great
00:44:17.660 progress moreover as we have seen uh where great empires are concerned their establishment may
00:44:23.400 give rise to wars and tragedies but their periods of power often bring peace security and prosperity
00:44:29.780 to vast areas of territory our knowledge and our experience perhaps your our human basic human
00:44:36.840 intellect are inadequate to pronounce whether or not the rise and fall of great nations is the best
00:44:42.680 system for the best of all possible worlds these doubts however need to need not prevent us from
00:44:48.540 attempting to acquire more knowledge on the rise and fall of great powers or from endeavoring in
00:44:53.720 the light of such knowledge to improve the moral quality of human life perhaps in fact we may reach
00:44:59.940 the conclusion that the successive rise and fall of great nations is inevitable and indeed a system
00:45:05.120 divinely ordained but even this could be an immense gain for we should know where we stand in relation
00:45:10.720 to our human brothers and sisters in our present state of mental chaos on the subject we are
00:45:16.060 divide ourselves into nations, parties, or communities, and fight, hate, and vilify one
00:45:21.880 another over developments which may perhaps be divinely ordained, and which seem to us,
00:45:28.220 if we take a broader view, completely uncontrollable and inevitable. If we could
00:45:33.140 accept these great movements as beyond our control, there would be no excuse for hating
00:45:38.300 one another because of them. However varied, confusing, and contradictory the religious
00:45:43.100 history of the world may be the noblest most spiritual of devotees of all religions seems to
00:45:49.040 reach the conclusion that love is the key to human life and any expansion of our knowledge which may
00:45:54.140 lead to reduction in our unjustified hates is therefore surely well worthwhile so interestingly
00:46:02.100 here glub completely contradicts his previous assertion that if we just understood uh you know
00:46:07.120 these these cycles of history then we could know something or change something about them and he
00:46:11.780 basically espouses a
00:46:13.960 position closer to the one that I
00:46:15.980 stated, which is that these things are largely
00:46:18.000 inevitable, but that doesn't mean that
00:46:20.000 we shouldn't increase our knowledge, increase our understanding,
00:46:23.100 pursue
00:46:23.560 these
00:46:24.840 systems so that we can better grasp
00:46:28.040 where we are in relation to them, and
00:46:29.860 ultimately it does not remove our duty
00:46:32.020 to better the world,
00:46:33.940 better ourselves, better the world
00:46:36.000 around us. Ultimately, I think he's
00:46:38.100 right that whether we think
00:46:40.220 it would be best
00:46:41.780 for nations not to engage in empire and go through this life cycle. There's something just innate in
00:46:48.820 successful people. It is just something that where they must assert their power, they must assert
00:46:53.920 their dominance, they must reach out and try to control other areas and, you know, and spread
00:46:59.040 their way of life. It's an inevitability. And so perhaps it is best not to limit this. We cannot
00:47:06.540 change it. It seems to have been set in place by God Almighty, and there's only so much we
00:47:11.100 ultimately can do to escape the design he has placed before us notice the nod to ecumenism
00:47:18.260 as well at the end there i suspect that uh glub is going a little bit native um oh glub is dancing
00:47:28.340 with the wolves baby yeah he he is tom cruise uh you know fighting with the samurai a hundred percent
00:47:33.920 the noblest and most spiritual of the devotees of all religion seem to reach the conclusion that
00:47:39.280 love is the key to human life yes but you just spent many pages dear glub basically elucidating
00:47:47.360 a theory on nations as a mass organism so therefore really again to quote 984 the death of the cell
00:47:55.580 is the vigor of the organism as o'brien says to winston um so therefore would it not make even
00:48:04.100 more sense to say that it is in fact war and struggle that is the fundamental basis for human
00:48:10.880 civilization um you know any expansion of our knowledge which may lead to a reduction in our
00:48:16.440 unjustified hates is therefore surely worth our while i mean okay i i think he's he's writing
00:48:26.420 from a very very pampered period of history quite quite frankly but you know i don't know about that
00:48:32.280 um maybe glub is a bit of a lib at the end of the day right like it's all equal we can't really
00:48:39.000 judge other cultures uh yeah ultimately it's all love at the end of the day uh you know it's it's
00:48:44.660 a lot of insight here but there there is a different uh a uh defined uh current of liberalism
00:48:52.800 running through all out all of this yeah and and probably um english arabism um i think this
00:49:01.460 is the period where the the british were quite enamored by the arabs for a while um until
00:49:07.720 1948 and the sort of events the unpleasantness that that followed uh and even for some part
00:49:14.380 after that britain was mainly seen to be aligned with the arab nations you know lawrence arabia
00:49:18.940 and all that kind of other stuff there was a great sort of fetishization of um arab culture
00:49:24.760 in in england during this period if i if i remember correctly so you know it was probably
00:49:30.440 you know like the oh yes you know the the beauty of the arabs and because you know i guess when
00:49:37.340 it's it's one thing to admire islam from afar it is another thing entirely to have it squatting on
00:49:46.020 your street and blowing up your public transport i you know i don't know yeah it looks looks a
00:49:54.040 little different when the waves of migrants are you know uh coming onto the beaches of uh your
00:50:00.060 spanish uh cities and uh you know ripping out the air conditionings and assaulting women and
00:50:05.200 everything oh you want to read our summary there um yeah hang on just looking at his wikipedia page
00:50:12.460 his his nickname was glob pasha so so yes he was he was very very very into uh into arab he was
00:50:21.860 posted to ramadi uh became an officer what's that what do we we got a good you know chat come up with
00:50:29.160 a good one for us there while we uh continue okay so yes the the summary okay ah what is an academic
00:50:38.060 paper without a summary as the last paragraph 39 the summary as numerous points of interest have
00:50:46.080 risen in the course of this essay i close with a brief summary to refresh the reader's mind a
00:50:52.640 we do not learn from history because our studies are brief and prejudiced prejudiced or possibly
00:50:58.620 because the lifespan of one human is only 80 or 90 years i mean i would think that's probably more
00:51:03.880 about it but anyway be in a surprising manner 250 years emerges as the average length of national
00:51:09.920 greatness c this average has not varied for 3 000 years does it represent 10 generations d the
00:51:18.000 stages of the rise and fall of great nations seem to be the age of pioneers or the outburst
00:51:23.720 the age of conquests followed by the age of commerce followed by the age of affluence
00:51:28.280 then the age of intellect the age of decadence decadence is marked by defensiveness pessimism
00:51:35.200 materialism frivolity and influx of foreigners the welfare state a weakening of religion and
00:51:42.520 putting women in power he doesn't list this here but i think that is uh i think he mentions it
00:51:46.500 elsewhere he does f decadence is due to too long a period of wealth and power selfishness the love
00:51:54.100 of money and the loss of a sense of duty g the life histories of great states are amazingly similar
00:52:01.860 and are due to internal factors h their falls are diverse because they are largely the result
00:52:09.000 of external causes and the final point history should be taught as the history of the human race
00:52:14.540 though of course with emphasis on the history of the student's own country i don't know about that
00:52:20.140 sounds a bit racist mate everybody knows you really should be studying the history of africa
00:52:26.560 if you're white after all there you go that's it oh all right guys in five minutes oh we even did
00:52:33.940 it on time yeah look look at us we're we're we're very impressive uh yeah we we finally uh made it
00:52:40.120 through but yeah no this has been an interesting journey uh you know as we said a lot to agree
00:52:45.060 with but uh definitely some to disagree with in glub uh but i think uh overall a good uh set of
00:52:52.340 insights if you are interested in this mode of understanding history i've referenced it many
00:52:59.840 times uh but of course oswald spangler's decline of the west is an excellent uh expansion on many
00:53:06.780 of these ideas um it's a much much larger book it's definitely good to wet your whistle with this
00:53:12.460 before you move into a you know like 1200 pages of spangler uh in two volumes uh however if you
00:53:18.440 think that this is something you would like to grasp more thoroughly then of course that's
00:53:22.680 available to you uh and uh of course we have been doing this as a series so if you want to watch
00:53:28.820 all of the episodes in order if there's anything you missed or you want to enjoy uh understanding
00:53:33.620 the entire uh essay and with our commentary there's a playlist on youtube so you can see
00:53:39.140 all of that we're going to get to the questions of the people here in just a minute but before we do
00:53:43.340 mr fist where should people find your great work uh you can find all my stuff on news uh
00:53:48.940 on youtube just search for news fist that's that's two words i'm currently sharing seo space
00:53:55.800 with a sri lanka news channel just avoid them um unless you're interested in news from sri lanka
00:54:00.660 um i do uh let's see what am i doing at the moment on thursday nights at the moment i have a comedy
00:54:07.100 podcast clown based life forms with uh aaron c which is uh quite fun i have a recent interview
00:54:13.040 that dropped with conscious character conscious caracal who is the pr head of afroforum um talking
00:54:19.160 about his observations of the decline in south africa and what it can tell those of us living
00:54:24.700 in the west which is pretty interesting check that out and on tuesday and friday i have a live stream
00:54:31.180 with rhetorically defective over on his channel arty and fist that's more sort of i don't know
00:54:36.480 culture wars and and news and and stuff like that but just check it check it all out it's not for
00:54:41.160 everyone obviously you know it's uh you know it might be a bit spicy for your taste buds but if
00:54:45.600 you're into that please do check it out excellent all right guys let's head over to our questions
00:54:52.760 maddie ice says this has been a great series thanks guys well thank you very much guys i think
00:54:58.760 that this has been a lot of fun and i know a lot of people have enjoyed mr fist uh being on the
00:55:03.980 channel with me reading through this we're eyeing a another essay on the nature of criminal enterprises
00:55:09.920 and how it looks a lot like government.
00:55:13.380 So we might be diving into that here in a few weeks.
00:55:16.760 So you can probably expect a little more of this kind of content
00:55:20.660 coming soon on the podcast.
00:55:23.920 And the new GM says,
00:55:26.240 if nations are locked in the cycle of history,
00:55:29.140 is it better to focus your efforts on family clan,
00:55:31.960 i.e. relocation to greener pastors?
00:55:35.420 Is that ethical, moral?
00:55:37.840 A good question, right?
00:55:38.800 Can you, is it moral to be basically an expat, to leave your country and continue your clan, but in a different position?
00:55:47.160 Obviously, I think that this is very context-based.
00:55:51.400 So for me, I think that it is really imperative to, if you are in a place where you can make a difference and you can raise a family and be relatively safe,
00:56:04.960 I think it's important to stay and fight for the institutions that you have.
00:56:09.940 I think that there is a nobility to fighting for your home no matter what.
00:56:15.960 I rib on my conservatives in blue states, but ultimately they are doing something noble by staying and fighting.
00:56:23.360 However, there is a moment at which I think it becomes too much if you are not willing to functionally take up arms, American Revolution style.
00:56:32.820 uh you know there i know people who have you know children who would have like basically been
00:56:37.820 abducted from the by the government if they hadn't moved out of where they were uh and so
00:56:42.500 they simply cannot continue to fight in that arena and i totally respect that as well so my
00:56:47.780 general inclination is you know stay and fight for your homeland stay and fight for what you believe
00:56:53.180 in uh but you know i am an american we are defined literally by leaving england and starting our own
00:56:58.580 thing uh so you know there are moments where eventually you know for you know heading somewhere
00:57:04.380 else and fighting uh is the correct option or on you need to do what we do in the uk uh where we
00:57:11.120 get a bunch of people together and we pick up uh our spoons um which of course is the only weapon
00:57:17.120 that we are allowed to uh wield uh you know if the government says and uh then we do a thing called
00:57:23.540 the great spoonining uh where we gather outside of the palace of the tyrant bang our spoons together
00:57:30.580 and deliver a harshly worded letter and it's going great uh one of the great things about
00:57:35.040 england of course is that giving your government a harshly worded letter is absolutely the key to
00:57:41.400 success so yeah uh good to see you nuj yeah i i think i think you basically summed it up like
00:57:47.440 Yes, stay and fight, but at the same time.
00:57:52.460 Hungry now.
00:57:55.680 Now.
00:57:57.840 What about now?
00:57:59.980 Whenever it hits you, wherever you are,
00:58:02.820 grab an O'Henry bar to satisfy your hunger.
00:58:06.620 With its delicious combination of big, crunchy, salty peanuts
00:58:10.300 covered in creamy caramel and chewy fudge with a chocolatey coating.
00:58:14.720 swing by a gas station and get an oh henry today oh hungry oh henry there does come a point when
00:58:23.320 one really wonders if the situation is uh can be saved i i guess i guess that is a choice that
00:58:29.920 that must lie in the heart of of every individual i can't really say either way i think that's right
00:58:36.440 and uh belgian uh sorry uh sorry belgians are evil trust me okay there we go
00:58:44.720 That's too much running together.
00:58:46.120 I couldn't, I couldn't price it.
00:58:47.700 Glove, putting women in power plus vote.
00:58:51.260 Yes.
00:58:51.760 Once again, I want to remind people that having women and foreigners rule your country is
00:58:55.940 literally a biblical curse.
00:58:57.680 Dude, don't be angry at me.
00:58:58.940 Bible said it.
00:59:00.360 Yeah.
00:59:00.740 This is from God.
00:59:02.240 I think, I mean, obviously Glove is doing a very, very wide view here, but I would say
00:59:08.060 that universal suffrage is definitely a sign of decline
00:59:13.240 and a sign that's, I don't know,
00:59:16.960 that the elites have lost their mojo.
00:59:20.280 If you have a good and competent elite,
00:59:23.900 then everyone should basically be happy.
00:59:26.420 Like, why would you want the vote?
00:59:28.260 You'd be like, well, you know, I'm not the one running the government.
00:59:31.700 You know, I'm just a washerwoman gov, right?
00:59:34.720 You know, I'm like down the street picking up the slop
00:59:37.160 and you know it's it's a hard life but it's good i got me kids i don't want to be any of that high
00:59:41.720 fault and stuff the i the idea i i think basically the reason why you get universal suffrage is it's
00:59:47.980 a grab for legitimacy that particularly uh after the ructions of the um of the 1800s uh governments
00:59:55.280 were increasingly casting around for this idea and the idea that oh yes we do it in the name of
01:00:00.180 the people because you know monarchy was declining and religion was declining and you couldn't just
01:00:04.600 go around and swing your scepter about and say yes well i was appointed by god don't you know
01:00:10.280 get in line or get wrecked son it's also an indication that you your political system has
01:00:17.420 fractured to the point where upstarts feel the ability to gain uh power by enfranchising groups
01:00:25.260 who were previously excluded it's basically admitting that your aristocracy is breaking down
01:00:29.600 and people are scrambling for power by including those who otherwise would not have been in you
01:00:35.820 know uh involved in the ruling of the country uh so yeah i think that's generally correct
01:00:41.260 all right guys well we're gonna wrap it up there but again it's been a pleasure uh reading this
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