The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 24, 2026


How Foreign Labor Cartels Took Over American Trucking | Guest: Justin Martin | 7⧸24⧸26


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00:00:00.000 hey everybody how's it going thanks for joining me this afternoon i've got a great stream with
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00:00:37.900 dollars off today so long haul trucking used to be one of the key ways that blue collar americans
00:00:44.860 were able to put food on the table for their kids it was a gateway to the middle class i had uncles
00:00:50.020 who were truckers you know they couldn't go to college they didn't have a lot of experience
00:00:53.920 but in just a few short months they were able to start earning critical money for their families 0.77
00:00:59.320 today we're seeing more and more americans get pushed out of the industry as it embraces foreign
00:01:04.780 labor many of these people are illegal or they don't speak the language or otherwise do not 0.99
00:01:09.100 understand driving on american roads and this is creating more and more safety issues we are now
00:01:14.200 seeing these wrecks people killed and of course we're also worried about national security if you 0.99
00:01:19.180 have foreign nationals involved in your supply chain you are of course introducing instability 0.99
00:01:23.580 and the possibility of sabotage if something goes wrong join me today to discuss this as a
00:01:29.100 former trucker and a current supply chain uh expert justin martin thank you so much for coming
00:01:34.220 on man hey aren't thanks for having me on first time a long time listener first time caller
00:01:37.980 well it's great talking to you man and this is like i said so in part you know i i grew up
00:01:42.820 in a family where like my extended family had several guys who drove a truck for a living they
00:01:48.660 otherwise would not have been able to provide the style of or the lifestyle to their families that
00:01:54.960 they were if they did not have that opportunity. But more and more, I'm hearing that these
00:02:00.280 different trucking companies are leaning into ethnic cartels. Basically, we're seeing the rise
00:02:06.100 of especially Sikhs, but many other groups starting to dominate. It seems like they're 1.00
00:02:10.100 being hired specifically because of their ethnicity and because, of course, they'll often 0.91
00:02:14.760 and do the work for far cheaper than Americans. 0.84
00:02:17.580 And this is creating a scenario
00:02:19.280 where ultimately Americans are losing jobs,
00:02:22.020 they're not able to form families, 0.98
00:02:23.660 and our roads are getting unsafe as these jobs 1.00
00:02:26.220 that used to be the backbone of the working class 0.73
00:02:28.840 in the United States are handed over to foreign labor. 0.94
00:02:32.080 Yeah, it's so funny, you're not from the industry, 0.96
00:02:34.520 but you were able to better sum up a lot of the problems
00:02:37.220 and a lot of people in the industry,
00:02:38.980 pretty high up in the industry too.
00:02:41.120 But these guys have had blinders on for years now
00:02:42.860 Because trucking is such a massive industry that you can very easily be trapped in your own little bubble.
00:02:47.260 So if you're in a niche that does really well, you can be immune to most of these problems that a lot of other carriers are having. 0.99
00:02:55.180 So when you see the kind of infiltration of foreign labor, I think we can all probably recognize the incentive structure here. 0.78
00:03:04.140 Obviously, as with so many sectors of the United States, it begins with companies seeking an advantage by hiring people who do the work for less.
00:03:14.840 We all know, as Bernie Sanders used to say, open borders is a Koch brothers scheme to drive down wages.
00:03:21.560 But it literally does. That's what it's for.
00:03:23.360 If you increase the labor pool, then obviously you can pay people what you want.
00:03:27.540 And one of the problems with supply chains is you had to pay, you know, the average American a pretty decent living to go do this job.
00:03:35.520 So we understand ultimately that they're going to lean into the cheapness.
00:03:39.680 But also let's talk about the hiring process as well, because I know, for instance, in the tech industry, 0.99
00:03:45.420 they often say if you put one Indian inside of the HR department, inside of the tech department,
00:03:51.040 all of a sudden everyone has to be an H-1B Indian and they just happen to be the best guy for the job every time.
00:03:56.520 are we seeing anything similar in the trucking industry it's a little different in trucking 0.99
00:04:00.640 because with tech you know you're it's dominated by like a handful of really large companies
00:04:05.360 trucking is the exact opposite there are over 700 000 trucking companies in the u.s and the
00:04:11.140 large ones what we call mega carriers or enterprise fleets guys with over 10 000 trucks they make up
00:04:16.220 less than you know five percent of the entire industry in the u.s a lot of this foreign labor
00:04:22.420 that you're seeing they are companies that are owned by immigrants and they're hiring immigrants
00:04:27.580 um and the reason they do that is because one it's just a language barrier um a lot of times
00:04:33.380 they're family it's just convenient um but also like if me there's a guy there's a great video
00:04:38.700 on tiktok that went viral uh two years ago where a driver was calling um job postings that he found
00:04:43.780 on facebook talking as he does with like a regular midwestern accent and the recruiters were just
00:04:48.080 clicking and hanging up on them but then he would call back and have like a fake funny accent and
00:04:53.080 it was like oh text this number join this telegram group and boom he was in and that's how we were
00:04:57.740 able to find out who these companies actually were um so it's it's uh ethnic enclaves exploiting
00:05:03.040 their own people within their own their own ethnic enclaves which is really interesting because of
00:05:07.940 course my colleague sarah gonzalez has now done a lot of these exposés where she goes yes different
00:05:13.600 h1b sites and finds out all the fraudulent paperwork and all of the hiring uh you know
00:05:18.840 tricks that are done to make this legal in some way now obviously uh there has to be some kind of
00:05:24.400 paperwork going on here i'm sure plenty of the drivers are legal at some level but many of them 0.96
00:05:30.000 aren't or there's there's some kind of chicanery going on even with those that are legally here 0.74
00:05:34.440 in order to advance them when they probably don't meet the safety standards and other regulations 0.98
00:05:38.560 so what are you seeing inside the industry that's accommodating the either illegal labor or the
00:05:44.220 legal labor that should not be on the road well part of how we got here where we are today is
00:05:49.380 right up until this current administration um you know the problems that you see in like the 0.99
00:05:53.640 tech side where you know it's just h1b visa exploitation all that they don't even need h1bs
00:05:58.460 and trucking you literally enter the country you file for asylum and you're granted a work
00:06:03.380 authorization document while you're waiting for your court case which could be two five ten years
00:06:08.540 down the line so that's how these guys get their licenses originally they just enter the country
00:06:12.700 file for asylum and then they have to wait for their their court date they're trucking the whole
00:06:18.120 time while they're waiting for the court date we've seen examples where as little as three days
00:06:22.400 somebody enters the country they file an asylum claim and then they have a cdl within three days
00:06:28.280 and they're in a truck so the the pipeline to get workers in is much much faster than it is in the
00:06:33.960 tech industry so a very very simple incentive system here the minute you get across the border
00:06:39.820 you're immediately rewarded with a job uh and it could take two to five years before they even
00:06:45.660 evaluate the veracity of your claim for asylum which is probably almost always uh you know
00:06:50.380 fallacious but it doesn't matter you're already in the country you've already built up the time
00:06:54.380 you know on the rig and everything and so you're already entrenched in the industry uh and you know
00:06:59.840 if you want to disappear you want to find something else i'm sure there are options to
00:07:03.560 ultimately avoid a lot of that. What dangers come with bringing these illegals into the industry? 0.80
00:07:11.420 A lot of people just think, oh, well, it's driving a truck. How hard could it be? How dangerous could 0.99
00:07:15.420 it be to have some guy driving a truck? He doesn't need to speak English to drive a truck. What are
00:07:19.800 some of the dangers inherent in this? Well, I have news for them because according to this little
00:07:25.220 green book here, you do have to be able to read, speak, and write English in order to drive a truck,
00:07:29.660 and it has been the case since the 1930s.
00:07:32.240 Driving a truck is not the same as driving a car.
00:07:35.080 It is a profession.
00:07:36.140 You are a professional, and you are supposed to be acting as such.
00:07:39.620 And so when you have individuals that can't speak with dock workers,
00:07:42.880 can't speak with law enforcement, can't speak with the general public
00:07:45.000 as far as like, hey, I need to get around your vehicle because X, Y, Z,
00:07:48.340 or hey, this is what I'm hauling, or God forbid there's an emergency
00:07:51.600 and I've got to get a hold of somebody,
00:07:53.680 there could be any number of language barriers preventing the proper steps
00:07:57.760 to mitigate whatever disaster is currently going on at the moment so i know you said that it's
00:08:03.020 relatively easy for illegals to step in and you know kind of achieve this work visa you know this
00:08:08.180 work authorization and step into the industry but there have been several stories about specific
00:08:12.460 states going out of their way to basically turn themselves into uh kind of licensing mills for
00:08:17.960 illegal truckers so what is that about if it's so easy to step in and get that work authorization
00:08:23.580 What are those states doing that creates this kind of certification mill that brings them into the industry?
00:08:30.300 Yeah, well, a lot of things have changed within the last year or two.
00:08:33.500 California has kind of been the punching bag of the current Department of Transportation Administration.
00:08:37.980 And they have actually done, finally, after getting a lot of their funding revoked, taking corrective measures.
00:08:43.860 As far as I know, California is the only state currently that if you are a truck driver and you get pulled over and you get a violation for not being able to speak English,
00:08:49.880 you get a letter sent to your house saying hey you've got 14 days to get your butt to the dmv
00:08:54.080 and prove you can speak english or we're downgrading your cdl status um i don't think
00:08:58.280 any other state does that right now more definitely should follow through it's just unfortunate that
00:09:02.140 it took all of this to happen for california to finally uh step in line but the the typical
00:09:07.240 pipeline has always been um you'll have situations where uh large groups come in as refugees um and
00:09:14.500 it has always been the case since like the 1980s during the the india civil war in the 1980s all
00:09:19.420 those guys into california when the soviet union was falling apart a lot of guys from
00:09:23.300 eastern europe went to chicago those are our massive freight hot spots right now
00:09:27.660 is uh you got all the eastern european organized crime guys in chicago and then um all the the
00:09:35.820 the sikh and calistani guys out in california um that are hooked up with like the punjabi mafia
00:09:41.220 and all that now we do see also stories about other states cracking down on these licenses
00:09:48.140 Has there been any particular, you know, governors or state governments that have really gone out of their way to try to improve the situation along with the Trump administration?
00:09:58.060 Yes and no.
00:09:59.000 A lot of it is like it's lip service.
00:10:01.000 So some states have completely dropped the whole non-domicile CDL issuance, but they still issue them.
00:10:07.380 Can you explain what that is?
00:10:07.980 Most people aren't going to know that term.
00:10:09.280 So my first CDL was a non-domicile CDL.
00:10:12.380 All it meant was that this is a driver's license for a commercial truck for a state in which you do not live.
00:10:17.880 I lived in Indiana at the time, but my trucking school was in Wisconsin.
00:10:22.140 So the hotel that I was staying at was my address on my first CDL.
00:10:26.360 And my company said, this is just a temporary license. 0.75
00:10:29.440 Get your butt back home, transfer it back to your home state, and then report back to work.
00:10:32.780 That was how the non-domicile CDL was initially intended to be used for. 0.96
00:10:36.820 It was not meant to be a massive loophole to import as many people as we could from overseas
00:10:42.160 and kind of have them in this legal gray zone driving commercial trucks.
00:10:47.560 But anytime you leave any kind of loopholes in this industry, the loopholes are big enough to drive an 18-wheeler through, and it happens time and time again.
00:10:56.540 There's currently one right now in Pennsylvania where around 1% of all CDL schools in the state of Pennsylvania are registered with the federal government.
00:11:09.460 The rest are exempt through this loophole where if you are a private not-for-hire fleet, you can have your own CDL certification program.
00:11:17.560 And the reason why this is the case is, like, if you're a farm and you're trying to hire workers, you just want to hire some guy, train him in to drive the truck so he can go out and haul the crops and then get it through the season.
00:11:26.960 Well, by having that loophole in, that's the same exact exploit that all the shady guys are using to get their drivers right now.
00:11:34.260 So how is this impacting friends that you have in the industry?
00:11:37.580 Are they able?
00:11:38.260 Is it becoming more difficult to find jobs?
00:11:40.800 Is pay collapsing?
00:11:43.200 Is it more and more difficult to kind of make safe connections in the supply chain?
00:11:49.620 What impacts are they seeing on the ground right now?
00:11:52.960 So currently right now, with all the crackdown happening,
00:11:55.480 if you're an independent owner-operator or you're driving for a small carrier in certain niches,
00:12:00.780 rates are great.
00:12:02.400 Well, rates are great, but fuel is also up, so they kind of negate out.
00:12:07.020 But for the last six months, things have definitely vastly improved.
00:12:10.080 It's not great.
00:12:10.660 it's still on the employee side so if you're just a an employee for a company we haven't really seen
00:12:16.480 that much of a pay hike for drivers that's always been the issue in trucking is the industry tells
00:12:22.460 itself we have a driver shortage there has never been a driver shortage and then there never
00:12:26.460 possibly could be a driver shortage because we have so many people that already have commercial
00:12:31.120 driver's licenses who could be out driving trucks right now they just don't because the pay isn't
00:12:36.560 worth it to be away from your friends and family for weeks possibly months at a time and that is
00:12:40.720 something the industry has never really had to grasp grasp with and even today they're still not
00:12:45.280 really fully understanding what it is that they're up against because a lot of the pipelines that
00:12:50.960 were available to get new people into the industry they're slamming shut the whole self-certified
00:12:55.900 CDL program that's going away the Duffy today just announced like this massive push to get vets
00:13:01.640 in the in the industry they've been doing that for decades it was the case when I joined in 2007
00:13:06.000 it's not going to work. Then you'll have prisoner pipelines, where if you're a guy in jail,
00:13:11.320 you can go through a CDL program while you're in jail. Then when you get out, you got a job.
00:13:15.720 All of those programs, when you look at the turnover rate, it's still above 90%.
00:13:20.000 So over nine out of 10 people who go through those programs, they quit the industry
00:13:23.720 within a year. They just do not work. And it's until companies learn how to hold onto the drivers
00:13:30.440 that they currently have, it's never going to get fixed. And they're just not ready to deal
00:13:34.760 with that yet well and that's the case in so many industries right we always hear oh there's a labor
00:13:39.460 shortage in this there's a labor shortage of that it's like well do you do you want to increase pay
00:13:44.080 oh well no no never yeah we're always pretending that there there there's never a there's never
00:13:49.980 never a labor shortage when you have a wage mechanism there is always a equilibrium at which
00:13:55.780 if you raise the price someone will do the job so the answer is not you know that they're they are
00:14:01.720 unable to find anyone to do the job it's simply that they as you say refuse to compensate people
00:14:07.320 for what they're actually doing that's always my sniff test whenever i see like mike roe or any of
00:14:11.840 these like labor guys that come out and they're advocating for industry x y and z i look up
00:14:16.500 immediately what the trend of wages are through that industry over time and if they're flat or
00:14:21.200 and or down it's all horseshit they're just trying to flood in more labor because they're trying to
00:14:26.080 grapple with their massive turnover problems we see that in truck we see that in trucking we see
00:14:30.360 that in teaching we see that in nursing right now every single nurse I talk to even if they've been
00:14:34.480 around for a while and they're making great money they know that all the people being hired behind
00:14:38.520 them they're all quitting because the pay and the work-life balance just isn't worth it and so when
00:14:43.580 people hear that oh we have a nursing shortage well okay do you want to be a nurse no it doesn't
00:14:47.600 pay great because we don't have a shortage of nurses we have too many nurses we have too many
00:14:51.820 teachers we have too many truck drivers and until you bring that available supply of labor down to
00:14:57.400 where rates or wages actually do have to increase to get people incentivized back into those jobs, it's all lies.
00:15:04.720 Well, and, you know, we see this, as you say, in the health care industry, 0.82
00:15:07.400 where right now most of the Somalians who have been brought in are home health care aides 0.97
00:15:13.880 because nobody wants to do that job for the pay that they're offering. 1.00
00:15:17.940 And this is just what downgrades the quality of life for everyone in the United States.
00:15:24.360 As you say, long-haul trucking is not easy.
00:15:26.280 You're away from family, you know, weeks on end, you're crammed into a cab constantly, wears on your health, all these other things, late nights, trying to stay up.
00:15:34.760 You know, all these things are like very serious issues that impact somebody.
00:15:38.700 And you should receive a reasonable compensation.
00:15:41.000 Again, that's why the job was always this bridge to the middle class for people who otherwise couldn't have it.
00:15:45.920 Because even if they did not have other marketable skills, if you got a CDL and you were willing to make the sacrifice, the pay was good enough to compensate.
00:15:53.300 But you don't want to make that payment to the, you know, the workers. And so the key is to just degrade everyone's life. You know, we'll just bring in as many fours as we can to create this, you know, artificial pressure on the on the wage market. And then when these people don't complain, because I mean, I don't know about you, man, but I've been in Ubers. You know, these guys are never alone. They're sitting on their phones 24 seven talking to people back in India. You know, they're willing to constantly, you know, put themselves in situations where they're isolated or working long hours.
00:16:23.300 because they're never going to have that kind of opportunity back home.
00:16:26.680 And so you're basically demanding that every American live like a third world
00:16:31.780 in order to compete with the wages that are now being promised to these people
00:16:36.220 who don't care about the benefits or the conditions 0.66
00:16:39.040 because ultimately, well, it's better than whatever terrible country they came from.
00:16:44.060 Yeah, that's the poison pill that I don't think this industry realized
00:16:46.320 they were swallowing at the time when there was this massive push to bring in truck drivers.
00:16:50.320 So when I joined the industry in 2007,
00:16:52.560 And the initial push was for global war on terrorism vets.
00:16:56.020 Then eventually you run out of those guys.
00:16:57.980 Well, then it was, we'll just import other countries' truck drivers.
00:17:00.500 Well, you run out of those eventually too.
00:17:02.500 Then it was, well, we'll just import anyone. 0.89
00:17:04.540 And that was the trap that got switched.
00:17:07.020 Because what they didn't anticipate was that all these guys that they would be importing,
00:17:10.380 they wouldn't come here, work for a little bit, and go back home.
00:17:12.360 A lot of them came here, stayed, and then opened trucking companies of their own
00:17:16.480 and then started importing their guys to come in.
00:17:19.420 And they've just been just completely overrunning the legit companies.
00:17:24.260 There's a website I used to work for called FreightWaves.com.
00:17:27.100 They have an entire section dedicated to bankruptcies and layoffs.
00:17:30.260 And it is hundreds of pages long at this point.
00:17:32.860 They've been tracking for the last, I think, six years now, all the companies that are doing layoffs and bankruptcies.
00:17:38.640 And it just keeps growing over and over and over over time.
00:17:41.620 so when we think about trucking a lot of people are just well this is how i get you know tvs or
00:17:50.620 you know kleenex or whatever from point a to point b important at some level but not a big deal
00:17:57.220 i think something you've talked about that is really critical is like actually no our supply
00:18:01.520 chains are some of the most important things about our civilization we really as americans
00:18:07.700 because of the vast nature of our uh our country just our continent-sized country we rely very
00:18:14.240 heavily on freight you know we rely very heavily on uh you know these truckers we don't have the
00:18:20.240 uh the train networks or other ways to distribute as much as as other countries and so the trucker
00:18:25.760 is really the lifeblood constantly of making sure that we can get deliveries on time we can deliver
00:18:30.740 products and that kind of thing and it's not just about you know your kleenexes or you know what you
00:18:36.220 know your dish wipes or whatever it is about the fact that obviously there is a very real like
00:18:41.880 national security element to this that in many cases you have critical cargo cargo that is needed
00:18:47.700 by you know law enforcement or the um uh the medical industry these kind of things lives
00:18:53.040 depend on the fact that these trucks arrive on time efficiently so when you're downgrading the
00:18:57.440 quality of your workforce you're also opening your country up to all of these vulnerabilities
00:19:02.660 hard to like decide which direction to take this because you've just opened up like eight different
00:19:08.540 venues here for me we'll get to all of them um one thing we we started tracking me uh me and a
00:19:14.580 friend of mine daniel trafin um we kind of noticed that like all the new ice vehicles being delivered
00:19:19.740 right now none of them being delivered by american carriers they're all guys from serbia uzbekistan
00:19:24.780 moldova you name it and they're bragging about it on their social media pages um because we'll find
00:19:31.020 these guys track them for a little while and then they're videoing themselves like going to an ice
00:19:36.240 facility an illegal immigrant driving a truck hauling ice vehicles going to an ice facility 0.97
00:19:40.340 making the delivery and being like holy shit i just did that and this happens all the time 0.99
00:19:45.620 and let's not forget we just had a hispanic military veteran try to light a building on fire 0.96
00:19:53.060 in new york city you know protesting ice so if that's a guy who served in the military imagine
00:19:58.720 the you know a willingness of different immigrant drivers maybe some of whom are here illegally
00:20:04.480 imagine their willingness to sabotage you know these vehicles to um you know lose the delivery 0.99
00:20:10.700 find other ways to you know break this down these situations are very dangerous because we know
00:20:18.300 from experience that there's a lot of hostility to ice in their mission and so if we have people
00:20:23.560 who aren't supposed to be here or who are foreigners and don't really respect what ice
00:20:27.440 is doing ultimately worry that this might push them or their family out of the country who knows
00:20:31.420 what action they'll take when they're trying to transport a vehicle like this yeah we're so blessed 0.99
00:20:37.460 and lucky right now that at least for the current time being these guys aren't stupid enough to mess 0.92
00:20:41.720 with them with those kind of loads they just want to haul it because it pays great and it's easy 0.89
00:20:45.760 freight my concern when it comes to those kind of carrier relationships is we don't know who the
00:20:51.800 owner of the company is if they're even based in the united states we don't know what um eld
00:20:56.460 electronic logging device they're using in the truck that is that is the the FBI
00:21:00.420 has been sounding the alarm for the last six years on ELDs and semi trucks right
00:21:04.620 now as far as like national security vulnerabilities because we have so much
00:21:09.360 of the military freight that's currently outsourced right now where an
00:21:13.560 unauthorized carrier will bid on a whole bunch of loads and then re broker those
00:21:17.580 loads out to who the hell knows who and then whoever shows up we don't know
00:21:21.780 who's tracking them where that data is going a lot of times it's going overseas
00:21:25.440 so my concern is that anytime we're going to have some kind of massive military movement going
00:21:29.860 forward anyone who's tracking all those shipments going across the country they'll realize oh we
00:21:35.280 have a ton of volume going from this base on this coast this base on this coast something's
00:21:39.940 happening so before we can even move the troops or move their supplies the bad guys already know
00:21:45.340 that we're up to something and that's an easy fix and we have been talking to people in the
00:21:50.260 administration for over two years now and the response has always been wow that's alarming
00:21:54.840 okay cool you guys gonna do anything about it no not yet yeah i mean i know that the trump
00:22:00.540 administration has about a thousand things on the plate right now but you know this this is why it's
00:22:05.620 so important to focus on domestic issues you know because we just have so many things that absolutely
00:22:11.440 have to get fixed again the supply chain you know being vulnerable is incredibly dangerous
00:22:16.140 this is something i think about all the time you know i know in so many industries you know
00:22:21.000 One of the terrifying things of being a national host is I get a lot of messages from people and they'll say things like, hey, man, water treatment, electricity, like all this stuff.
00:22:29.940 We are completely screwed in 10 years.
00:22:32.960 Like, we don't have the guys behind us to do the work.
00:22:36.000 All of the guys who are maintaining these systems, you know, airlines, everything else, they are retiring.
00:22:42.100 Their knowledge has not been passed on. 1.00
00:22:44.000 People who are coming behind them are in many ways immigrants who, you know, don't speak the language, have lower standards. 0.98
00:22:49.460 you know ultimately are getting paid much less to do the job don't care so much about what's going on 0.98
00:22:54.420 uh there's an increase in danger this is going to break down and you know i i love i love my i love
00:23:01.460 my reds my blue state red guys you know i i love them you know that my urbanite uh you know right
00:23:06.900 wingers by all means you know fight the good fight but a lot of times they don't seem to understand
00:23:11.460 what happens when the trucks stop rolling into the city what happens when all of a sudden those
00:23:16.340 things become very very inconsistent and all you know the fact that you are now living in this you
00:23:21.620 know highly influential cosmopolitan center uh just means you're actually living in a death trap
00:23:26.820 uh you know the minute that they the supplies are no longer coming in so are you seeing a similar
00:23:31.300 thing in the trucking industry a loss of specialization seriousness uh you know the loss of
00:23:36.500 uh that kind of momentum when it comes to institutional knowledge with people retiring
00:23:40.500 and a different generation of maybe even foreign work coming in behind them oh absolutely i mean
00:23:45.540 we saw a small glimmer of that during covid when um you know products became really hard to find
00:23:50.820 on the store shelves because everybody was buying stuff so quickly and they couldn't be replenished
00:23:54.660 fast enough and freight rates shot up as a result and the um solution that the biden administration
00:24:00.180 came up with was was the biden trucking action plan and all that was was pete butage edge and
00:24:05.380 his guys from um mckenzie said okay we don't have enough drivers we're just going to more than double
00:24:10.180 the amount of cdls issued between 2020 and 2021 every year we typically put out 400 to 450 000
00:24:16.900 cdls in 2021 alone we put out 876 000 cdls so it massively flooded the industry which caused um
00:24:24.660 you know right up until that point rates were like super sky high everybody's making money
00:24:28.340 hand over fist then boom the market is over just completely overrun with capacity rates crash as
00:24:34.020 a result a lot of really really good american legacy carriers went out of business these are
00:24:39.060 are guys who have survived multiple, multiple freight cycles. They know what the hell they're
00:24:42.940 doing. They're not stupid. They just can't compete with guys who can run under their operating costs. 1.00
00:24:48.040 And we saw that in the mail, which is why the U.S. Postal Service has a massive problem right now
00:24:52.320 with all these chameleon carriers because the company I used to drive for, they eventually
00:24:57.320 merged with a bunch of other companies to be called a company called 10 Roads, 10 Roads
00:25:01.620 Transportation. They were the largest postal contractor in the nation. They were about 10%
00:25:05.860 of the entire postal contractor network.
00:25:08.820 And they just went bankrupt January this past year.
00:25:11.520 They're gone.
00:25:12.480 So even if the postal service wanted to get rid of
00:25:15.900 all the guys running amok in their network right now,
00:25:18.940 there is nobody to replace them.
00:25:21.120 And they tried that back, I think, in like March.
00:25:23.460 They put out this memo saying,
00:25:24.640 okay, no more non-domestinal CDL drivers. 1.00
00:25:26.460 If you see one, don't load the truck, et cetera.
00:25:28.320 And the entire network ground to a screeching halt.
00:25:29.940 And they reversed that policy after two days.
00:25:31.740 and like you said the slack is not being picked up by other american carriers in many situations
00:25:38.780 it's by these companies founded by immigrants who are then filing in more immigrants and so
00:25:43.700 every time you go through one of these cycles you're cleansing out all of the like legacy 0.87
00:25:47.860 american carriers and the people that they tended to employ and bringing in more and more of these 0.73
00:25:53.120 ethnic cartels that are incentivized to continue uh creating that cycle that you were talking about 0.64
00:25:58.100 Bingo. So like just today, Sean Duffy puts out this tweet saying that they want to bring in
00:26:02.740 more vets. And they list a couple of handful of partner companies that are in this program.
00:26:08.960 It's all complete horseshit. These companies have been hiring vets for decades now. They already 1.00
00:26:12.540 have plenty of vets that work for these companies. What they need to be doing is if they want to get
00:26:16.760 a grasp on the problems in the military supply chain, freight, and the postal service supply
00:26:22.860 chain, et cetera, et cetera, bring these vets on and don't just throw them in a company that 0.56
00:26:27.100 they're going to quit after six months bring them in go have them go through a program where they
00:26:32.360 learn how to start their own trucking company and then get them contracts to haul military freight
00:26:37.080 that's what you want you want veterans hauling military freight you want veterans hauling u.s mail 0.96
00:26:40.980 you don't want a bunch of guys that are from outside the country that don't know what the 0.61
00:26:43.920 hell they're doing that when they do get caught they shut down and reopen again under a new name
00:26:47.720 after a week so you were telling me a little bit before we started about changes when it comes to
00:26:54.900 liability that might be positive in a lot of ways these companies were able to kind of look the other
00:27:00.340 direction when they knew that these cheaper carriers were hiring unreliable and perhaps
00:27:05.340 illegal labor because they had this kind of uh deniability they had the shield that they could
00:27:10.940 use to you know kind of offset that if the truck carrying their freight caused any kind of damage
00:27:16.100 any kind of fatalities you know anything like that how is that shifted and what you know is that a
00:27:21.860 function of just the courts, work by the Trump administration? Where is that coming from?
00:27:26.060 Right now, it's a massive win for billboard attorneys. If you were sick and tired of
00:27:29.300 billboard attorney signs right now, I'm sorry, get used to it. Their business is booming right now.
00:27:35.200 Just today, there was a $605 million or $604 million judgment signed against a large broker
00:27:41.960 called Steve Robinson. And I think there's going to be a lot more to come after that.
00:27:46.400 For the longest time, the thing that brokers were terrified of is if I'm hiring a carrier,
00:27:51.860 I don't really care. This is how the bad brokers think. They're not so much concerned about whether
00:27:57.340 or not the driver is going to crash because if they do, they have insurance. The insurance will
00:28:01.580 cover those costs. They're worried about if the driver is going to steal the freight because
00:28:05.760 that's a completely different policy and they don't have that kind of coverage. And so those
00:28:09.380 are the costs that they're terrified of eating. Well, now that exemption of, you know, is everything
00:28:14.280 going to be fine if that driver crashes? That's all gone. So it's causing this big uproar in the
00:28:19.600 industry right now where you know if you were a freight brokerage relying upon bigger margins
00:28:25.480 because you're hiring cheaper carriers because they're probably not as safe as more expensive
00:28:29.180 carriers uh you're in trouble right now and we're probably going to see this massive wave of
00:28:33.780 bankruptcies in like the small to mid-sized brokerages that have been relying on these
00:28:37.480 carriers for the last 10 15 20 years but i think it's it's it's sorely needed yeah no for sure so
00:28:45.140 i saw uh someone uh in the stream before we started put a good question and uh in there and i i that
00:28:52.600 i've been turning it around in my head and i think it's very important so obviously we know that
00:28:57.520 during covid the trucker protest in canada was one of the most effective ways that the average
00:29:03.960 person was able to push back against that scenario they simply did not have a great response because
00:29:10.180 the truckers weren't violent they weren't doing anything uh that was bad optically they just
00:29:15.020 weren't doing the deliveries and once you kind of shut down those supply chains that cripples
00:29:20.240 again all these like major urban areas it's a fantastic way of like non-violent protest that
00:29:26.280 can truly bring you know the government to their knees in that moment and of course we know that
00:29:31.480 the canadian government took it so seriously they eventually just you know froze these people's bank
00:29:35.620 accounts and and then just eventually like took truncheons to them uh you know and threw them in
00:29:40.560 jail uh for uh you know protesting so it was obviously a very serious threat and i wonder
00:29:46.920 uh i i think the incentives are largely financial but also is there not another uh axis on which
00:29:55.520 this might be motivated because if you take real americans like native born american workers
00:30:00.740 out of the trucks then the people you're putting in the trucks are far more dependent and far more
00:30:06.600 likely to be compliant and should we end up in another scenario where truckers could put up a
00:30:12.500 very serious uh you know type of resistance to government tyranny you would not have the kind
00:30:18.920 of americans who believe in freedom who believe that they should be fighting liberty should be
00:30:23.200 fighting against tyranny instead you've got some guy from india or pakistan and you know it's not
00:30:29.880 his country it's not a big deal he just wants to get paid so he's probably not going to sit there
00:30:33.060 and try to stop the uh you know the flow of goods just to make a point about a country he doesn't
00:30:37.960 even care about yeah we you know we have had previous you know protests uh with truckers in
00:30:44.700 dc over the years and the difference between like the american trucking industry and the canadian
00:30:49.280 trucking industries ours is much it's just way more massive and it's it's like herding cats that's
00:30:54.360 always been the joke it's like we're never going to have like a massive organized labor movement
00:30:58.000 the trucking industry in the u.s because it is so atomized and fractured and there's so many
00:31:03.580 different little niches and like even the teamsters you know as big and powerful as they
00:31:07.540 were right up until deregulation they are less than a shadow of their former selves today i think
00:31:12.900 less than five percent of the total industry are teamsters right now um the vast vast majority of
00:31:18.180 trucking companies in the u.s are one truck owner operators it's about half the industry um you know
00:31:23.840 so over half a million trucking companies half of those are just one truck and good luck trying to
00:31:27.860 get all those guys organized because you're up against guys who have been fighting tooth and
00:31:32.660 nail just to keep their business afloat and as soon as they hear oh that guy doesn't want to work
00:31:36.460 i'm getting that freight and that's exactly what happens anytime we have organized protests around
00:31:41.060 dc um it's usually a lot of noise on facebook about 100 trucks or shows show up and then some
00:31:47.840 money gets stolen and then everything falls apart it's that's always been the cycle so when the
00:31:51.820 canadians pulled off what they did we were blown like everyone i talked to here in the u.s we were
00:31:55.720 blown away i think the difference with what was happening in canada was they had a lot more
00:32:01.240 restrictions so 80 of the freight in canada is freight that comes from the u.s so if you're a
00:32:06.880 canadian trucker you got to come to the u.s pick up your loads and then take it back to canada
00:32:10.160 well on the way back the canadian government was making a lot of these guys go into quarantine for
00:32:15.060 two weeks and they're like i can't take two weeks off i'm not going to get paid so that was where
00:32:19.500 that was the genesis of why they protested like they did also it was the middle of winter and
00:32:24.560 they just clogged up all the streets in their nation capital. And the reaction from the
00:32:30.140 Canadian federal government to those truckers, I think, surprised a lot of the public. They went
00:32:34.100 like, okay, this is going a little too far. And then those guys won. I mean, I was living in
00:32:38.700 Philly when all those protests were happening. We still had mask mandates everywhere. The day
00:32:43.140 that those protests went, like all the mask mandates in the Philly went away. So we kind
00:32:47.100 of realized like, okay, this is kind of the end of the end here. So thank you, Canadian truckers
00:32:51.760 for uh doing what you did there yeah no i mean obviously a very fantastic uh exercise in in
00:32:57.840 effective protest and uh interesting that the level of competition just the structure of trucking
00:33:03.340 in the united states probably prevents something similar but i do wonder then if you have you know
00:33:08.740 these smaller uh companies that are ethnic cartels i guess it would be hard for them to really apply
00:33:14.500 significant pressure in their own interests uh because someone else would just swoop in and
00:33:19.560 ultimately take the business would that be your contention if if let's just say all the all the
00:33:24.180 seek truck drivers decided that they wanted to freeze freight to protest some foreign action
00:33:29.760 by the united states they wouldn't really be able to make a big impact because ultimately someone
00:33:33.720 else would swoop in and break that up they wouldn't have to freeze it because they're the
00:33:37.120 ones hauling it already you know because they can do it they can do it cheaper um a lot of times
00:33:41.040 we'll see some states like you know indiana is a good example their secretary of state's um
00:33:46.660 um, um, uh, Diego Morales or somewhere that's current secretary of state of Indiana. He has
00:33:53.620 all kinds of like business dealings with a lot of these seat guys out there. There was a gentleman
00:33:58.160 named Sid Mahant who was running for Congress in Indiana. He lost, thankfully blew millions of his
00:34:03.540 own dollars, uh, in this attempt to try and run for office because he had this law that he wanted
00:34:08.260 to pass to get rid of the requirement that if you were, if you have a CDL from a different state and
00:34:13.800 you're trying to transfer into indiana you have to retake the knowledge test in english and he was
00:34:18.040 like hey that's discriminatory to my drivers because all his drivers come from california
00:34:21.500 and uh thankfully he lost like indiana uh all the based hoosiers were like this no this is this is 0.56
00:34:28.380 a joke um so they they do try to do like little little run around scams here and there in regard
00:34:34.200 to that but i think it's just that my my my purpose on this is like you're not going to win
00:34:39.980 through like protest movements or like organized labor and all that because you're dealing you're
00:34:45.160 it's like you're fighting gravity you're fighting the wind you're fighting the market and the way
00:34:49.840 you beat the market is you reduce the available supply of labor if if you're in the trucking
00:34:54.040 industry and you want wages to go up you just have to make fewer available truck drivers and
00:34:58.700 the easiest way to do that right now is cracking down on enforcement and i think the current
00:35:02.740 administration is doing a great job going after the drivers but they are missing this massive
00:35:07.580 massive blind spot when it comes to the companies themselves these drivers do not exist in a vacuum
00:35:12.140 somebody is hiring them somebody is giving them freight somebody is putting them behind the wheel 0.98
00:35:16.260 and for whatever stupid reason they just do not they're they seem to be like immune to actually 0.77
00:35:21.680 going after the companies that are hiring these drivers yeah and again as much as we have seen 0.97
00:35:27.280 great action by the trump administration when it comes to closing the border and other aspects of
00:35:31.500 immigration that has been a consistent uh criticism that people have had obviously if
00:35:37.160 we're aiming for self-deportations right we know we can't probably physically remove 50 million
00:35:41.740 people that we can get a lot of them but that's probably not going to happen and the optics of
00:35:46.380 that are very difficult so it's those soft power issues uh that really incentivize people to go
00:35:52.160 home themselves if they can't earn a living if they can't own a home if they can't get health
00:35:56.260 care they can't put the kids in school all of these things then eventually it doesn't make any
00:36:00.160 sense to still be here and they go back where they came from all by themselves you don't have
00:36:04.660 to see you know people ice agents pulling them out of cars or anything they just go home so when
00:36:10.560 we see the trump administration specifically avoid going after a lot of these employers
00:36:16.120 there's a lot of questions there because as you say uh you can go after the employees and you
00:36:21.180 should you should deport as many of them as you can you should get them out from behind the wheel
00:36:24.520 all of those things i support that 100 and i'm glad they're making those efforts uh but as you
00:36:29.220 point out that you can you can try to chase down every drop of water or you can just turn off the
00:36:34.480 hose of the spigot and right now we our enforcement strategy is chasing drops of water while their
00:36:40.380 friends and family and you know leftist protesters try to kill ICE agents or we can actually just
00:36:45.660 shut down the people who are enabling them being here and whether it's you know in farming or in
00:36:51.980 tech or in trucking or in, you know, retail, whatever it is, until we see a real enforcement
00:36:59.420 on the employers, we're not going to see any improvement. Now, I think, you know, the motivation
00:37:04.880 here is obvious, sadly. Big business still has a huge influence. It's still the donor class. These
00:37:10.100 are still the people who are paying the bills. And they're already really worried about the
00:37:14.060 deportations we're getting. We're seeing a lot of talk about how the Trump administration
00:37:20.220 might be trying to dial back some of that
00:37:22.360 so that they can kind of make good
00:37:23.800 with the Chamber of Commerce Republicans.
00:37:25.600 But I don't know about you,
00:37:26.440 but I just don't see a way forward
00:37:27.820 if we do not attack this issue head on.
00:37:30.340 You can't be afraid to go after the employers.
00:37:32.180 And if you keep playing this game,
00:37:33.920 then there is no solution.
00:37:35.780 Like, we're just going to be sitting here 1.00
00:37:37.140 watching our country flooded with foreign labor.
00:37:39.460 Yeah, former Border Patrol commander Greg Bovino
00:37:42.760 had this post about a month and a half ago
00:37:44.520 saying it, like, it was going to be really hard
00:37:46.060 if we, like, for trucking specifically,
00:37:48.360 Basically, he said, if we're going to go after employers, it's really hard to try and build
00:37:51.460 criminal cases against these guys because with the drivers, if they're here in the country
00:37:54.620 illegally, boom, slam dunk.
00:37:56.200 We can grab the driver, run his papers, and get him out of here.
00:37:58.740 He's like, it's much harder to build cases against the employers. 0.99
00:38:02.060 I chimed in, and I was like, bullshit. 0.98
00:38:04.320 I'll tell you exactly how you do it. 0.99
00:38:06.140 Every single trucking company that gets formed in the country, they have to file paperwork
00:38:10.500 called an MCS-150.
00:38:11.620 It's basically all the information about your company, your name, your address, how many
00:38:15.060 trucks you got, how many drivers you got, your insurance info, everything.
00:38:17.420 And at the very, very bottom of that paperwork, it says, I comma your name under perjury of
00:38:24.800 Sutter and Sutter, Sutter.
00:38:25.580 I promise I am not lying about any of this information.
00:38:27.980 I was like, every single one of these companies, hundreds of thousands of them are lying on
00:38:32.960 that paperwork.
00:38:33.720 And if you are a naturalized citizen in the US operating a trucking company and you're 0.97
00:38:38.000 hiring illegal immigrant labor, you are committing fraud and you can denaturalize those guys 0.84
00:38:42.700 and deport them and debank them immediately. 0.63
00:38:45.180 And he followed me back.
00:38:46.180 He's like, oh, that's a great idea.
00:38:47.420 yeah i mean it was very frustrating i believe uh you know i think it was maybe steven miller
00:38:53.720 who was tweeting about all of these like cdls that they're they were going after all these
00:38:58.580 illegals you got a little sloppy with the numbers there well and i'm sure he did but you know
00:39:03.780 whatever the the number happens to be ultimately as you say the point is well if you have the
00:39:09.060 documentation and you know it's all fraudulent why is a single one of these people still here
00:39:14.320 And why is any company who is employing them still operating?
00:39:17.960 You have all the evidence you need.
00:39:20.220 But all I get is statements on Twitter.
00:39:22.100 And look, I'm glad I'm glad that the administration is looking at some of these things that no one else has before.
00:39:28.400 Again, I want to make it clear.
00:39:30.360 Best administration of my lifetime when it comes to this stuff.
00:39:33.020 But it gets really frustrating when, you know, the vast majority of time, all I'm seeing is posting online when we know for a fact, as you say, the documentation is right there.
00:39:41.700 the trigger could be pulled and they just refuse to do it that's the key where they're frustrating
00:39:46.520 it's it's like they are doing such a great job on so many things but there are like massive other
00:39:52.700 problems that they're just either completely ignorant to or like purposefully ignoring
00:39:56.160 and we're all just like freaking out saying look at this look at this look at this and if they do
00:40:01.260 respond it's like okay that's going to be kind of a problem i've been saying for years now it's not
00:40:06.360 going to be DOT that fixes this. It's going to be the IRS, the Department of Labor, and Department
00:40:12.040 of Commerce that is going to be shutting these companies down. Just like how we put Al Capone
00:40:15.240 away, not for the booze he was smuggling, but the taxes he wasn't paying. It's going to be the same
00:40:19.620 thing with these trucking companies. The FMCSA, Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration,
00:40:24.880 this is the part of the DOT that is responsible for tracking all the trucks and their trucking
00:40:30.140 companies on the roads right now. There's 1,300 employees in that entire department. Of those
00:40:35.180 300 are investigators so they are a very small operation in a very massive industry they are
00:40:42.400 outnumbered outmatched outgunned and outspent all the time because any new solutions these guys come
00:40:48.000 up with the bad guys are five steps ahead because they have guys overseas that can vibe code an app
00:40:53.160 to get around any kind of new system they put in place um so right now they're they realize okay
00:40:58.880 we have a problem with like new companies registering fraudulently so they launched this
00:41:02.260 new program called modus the launch of modus has been a complete disaster a lot of real legit
00:41:07.100 companies are having problems logging into their accounts and updating their insurance info so you
00:41:11.140 have trucking companies right now that can't haul freight because they can't update their insurance
00:41:14.620 info because the solution that they try to come up with to combat these bad actors is also hurting
00:41:19.400 the good actors too so i know you said that you've had members of the trump administration reach out
00:41:26.300 to you and listen to you so it's not like they're unaware of certain aspects of this but if you had
00:41:31.600 a one-on-one with the president tomorrow and he needed two to three things that he should
00:41:36.620 prioritize immediately easy to do would make as much change as possible or if not easy to do at
00:41:42.260 least so significant that it needs to get prioritized what would you list to him so he's
00:41:47.060 a big optics guy you know he realizes okay sending in like wave of wave wave after wave of like ice 1.00
00:41:52.120 agents into cities and like civilians getting into the way and you know some idiot jumps in front of 0.98
00:41:56.700 the car and they get taken out by an ice agent that's a bad look and i don't want that nobody 0.94
00:42:00.420 wants that but when it comes to trucking every single time they run one of these operation
00:42:04.660 guardian um operations out in like oklahoma or wyoming everybody's like hey that's great we want 0.97
00:42:10.040 to see the illegal immigrant truck drivers taken off the road right they need to start opening up 0.82
00:42:14.240 all the way stations across the country um all these guys run on the nights and weekends when 0.97
00:42:18.860 you're out driving on the highways at night it is it is a completely 180 on the quality of carriers
00:42:24.980 that go out there because you know when i drove truck i like driving at night because there's less
00:42:27.660 traffic much easier to find truck parking in the mornings um but the way and the way stations are
00:42:32.500 closed well the problem is the bad guys know that too so if i'm a sketchy operator that's exactly
00:42:37.620 when i'm driving is is at night so they need to be running the the scales 24 7 they need to be
00:42:42.660 opening the scales in all states um pennsylvania has a problem with that right now where the state
00:42:47.400 doesn't have any dedicated uh truck inspection stations so the troopers do their inspections
00:42:52.920 on the highway and they every year they'll have a handful of uh dot inspectors get uh hit and
00:42:58.800 killed uh while doing an inspection on the on the trucks because it's it's very unsafe um number two
00:43:04.480 would be going after the companies themselves not just the trucking companies but the people giving
00:43:08.820 them freight these guys will not be in the country if they couldn't make money they can't make money
00:43:13.120 if somebody's not giving them freight so duffy this and this is you know duffy's his own worst
00:43:19.100 enemy when it comes to stuff like this because he'll make these big proclamations and big promises
00:43:22.540 and stuff and then never really follow through so he said last year we're going to hold shippers
00:43:26.140 accountable we have not seen that whatsoever over 80 000 uh english language proficiency violations
00:43:33.100 have been handed out since trump signed the executive order uh last year so um every single
00:43:38.640 one of those companies has a file with the federal government saying hey these are the company owners
00:43:43.560 this is where they live this is where the company is based in go send some people out there to check
00:43:47.660 them out that's not a guarantee that you're going to find anything illegally but if you're trying to
00:43:52.520 juke the numbers or you know score some easy wins that's an easy one right there um and then
00:43:58.020 again um just tamping down on the actual um you know who were who were giving freight to
00:44:04.020 as far as like the federal government when you have ice you know um social media accounts
00:44:10.420 clipping together these like you know meme videos but the truck that they include in the
00:44:15.280 meme video is owned by a dude from uzbekistan it's like right what are we doing here guys
00:44:19.220 Yeah, it's like the American flag made in China, right?
00:44:21.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:44:22.680 Perfect, perfect.
00:44:23.960 Yeah, that's a great point.
00:44:27.360 All right, man.
00:44:28.000 Well, this has been, I think, very helpful.
00:44:30.000 I know that for a lot of people, this isn't like a sexy issue.
00:44:33.320 This isn't the culture war.
00:44:35.120 This isn't salacious.
00:44:36.580 So it doesn't get the clicks.
00:44:37.900 It doesn't get the views.
00:44:38.780 It doesn't get the attention.
00:44:40.300 But I think this is so important because, again, it is a building block of kind of middle
00:44:46.260 or you know like working class america that allowed them to move to the middle i've seen it
00:44:50.460 my own family and so it just you know it pains me to watch those jobs drain away and then as you say
00:44:56.120 when it comes to safety on the roads and security of our supply chains we simply cannot hand that
00:45:01.080 over for slightly cheaper you know freight like this is this is ridiculous and i think big changes
00:45:06.160 need to happen like i said i know the trump administration has made moves on this and i hope
00:45:10.780 that we will be able to focus more on domestic issues and continue to make a lot of headway
00:45:15.560 Because like you said, if we don't go after the employers, if we don't go after the people supplying the jobs, supplying the freight, supplying these contracts, then we're going to keep getting, you know, that demand is just going to keep getting met by foreigners who are creating a worse market for Native American employees and also an unsafe environment for Americans on the road. 0.96
00:45:35.120 That said, Justin, if people want to find your work, where should they go? 1.00
00:45:38.540 You can find me on x.com slash supertrucker.
00:45:42.800 Excellent.
00:45:43.200 And we've got a question here from the audience.
00:45:45.560 thuggo says actually the uh their labor shortage is not cheaper they are being paid in land and
00:45:53.560 societal integrity i'm not sure exactly what you mean by that i mean you kind of have at some level
00:46:00.880 the fact that they are gaining status in the u.s they're gaining uh regional market share inside
00:46:05.840 those industries maybe that's what you're implying but i don't think anyone's getting any uh you know
00:46:10.700 you know baronies handed to them out of the the the societal integrity part's interesting because
00:46:17.320 what we do see a lot of times like in in ohio um you have a lot of carriers that are based out of
00:46:22.220 uzbekistan and the way that those guys operate is they'll come in kind of settle into like a town 0.52
00:46:27.060 somewhere and then they start opening up mosques all over the place and the way that they fund 0.69
00:46:31.020 those mosques is by siphoning money from other trucking companies then they'll put together
00:46:35.240 then they'll put together like industry groups so they'll have like the you know uzbek american 0.88
00:46:40.400 trucking association and then they raise a bunch of money through that and that's their now their
00:46:44.380 political funding wing um and every ethnic enclave does this um the seeks do that in california
00:46:49.920 whenever you see like duffy will make some new announcement with like a cdl restriction and
00:46:55.060 these guys are all losing their mind they're losing their mind because they owe money to
00:46:58.400 everybody you mentioned earlier you know if we cracked on these guys they'll start self-deporting
00:47:02.080 and stuff i don't know if that's going to be the case in trucking because they can't leave the
00:47:06.340 country because if they go back home they're going to get their legs broken because they owe money to
00:47:09.760 the human traffickers who brought that's another problem um we didn't mention here a lot of these
00:47:14.100 drivers are themselves victims of human trafficking when they're home in their home countries they are
00:47:19.020 lied to constantly about how much money they could be making uh in the u.s now compared to what
00:47:23.840 they're making at home yeah it's great but moving here and working here and making a living here are
00:47:29.420 three completely separate problems and then once by the time they're here and they're in the truck
00:47:34.080 and they realize how little they're making it's too late you know they can't go back home probably
00:47:37.420 have a level of indentured servitude as you're saying right 100 percent percent percentages
00:47:42.000 off that kind of thing so what you're creating is not just a foreign worker class you're creating
00:47:47.480 basically foreign debt slaves who live under the rule of other actors in different countries
00:47:53.340 and so i mean just imagine all of the opportunities for exploitation that could you know from cartels
00:48:00.620 to uh you know different gangs uh you know foreign governments all these things are very easily
00:48:05.420 manipulatable when you have people who are being held hostage like that so yeah that's that's a
00:48:10.000 huge issue uh and something that uh people have to be aware of when you have uh all of these guys
00:48:15.520 who are basically entering the country with already so much of uh their money spoken for
00:48:20.260 uh they really have very little in options uh going forward because as you say they try to go
00:48:25.400 home and you know that might be the end of their kneecaps that's that's my biggest gripe with like 1.00
00:48:28.900 these cato institute types where they're like oh no you know importing foreign workers is great 0.97
00:48:32.440 because they come here they create jobs the money flows around the economy no that money gets all
00:48:36.380 siphoned overseas um right now so the the country to go a little tinfoil here the country of moldova
00:48:42.400 they are trying to enter the european union um the eu has certain metrics that countries have
00:48:47.900 to meet before they are allowed entry into the european union one of the guys that's on the
00:48:52.940 committee trying to get moldova into the eu he owns a bunch of trucking companies in the u.s
00:48:57.240 so they're operating all these trucking companies siphoning the money sending it back to moldova
00:49:01.700 and, like, turbocharging their economy to try and get into the EU via siphoning all the money out of the U.S.
00:49:09.380 Yeah, which is just absolutely insane.
00:49:11.240 And then you recognize how disproportionately the income of the United States can warp the politics of basically any other country.
00:49:17.740 And, you know, as you say, this is also a situation where a lot of these guys are funneling the money in ethnic clays into, you know, these mosques, into these community organizations. 0.57
00:49:26.280 They are organizing in an ethnic fashion because they're allowed to do that.
00:49:30.480 because in the united states everybody but you know white people are allowed to do that and so
00:49:34.340 you have the scenario where not only are these guys taking jobs from americans the money is
00:49:39.180 immediately getting turned around and invested back into communities that are going to grow in
00:49:42.780 political power they're going to put people into these positions that are you know mayors and and
00:49:47.640 city councilmen and you know county commissioners and all these things and they start growing and
00:49:51.840 growing their dominance of the pie because again they get to play the game of you know ethnic
00:49:56.140 nepotism that other people don't and people just have to recognize that that is the huge issue if
00:50:01.260 you're telling me about uh you know all this communism or whatever that's spreading around 1.00
00:50:05.200 no what you really need to look at is the fact that all of these immigrant communities are 1.00
00:50:09.520 basically building their own little ethnic ghettos where they're going to get to expand their power 1.00
00:50:13.420 have complete lockdowns of you know the political mechanisms there they're creating machine politics 0.78
00:50:18.120 that you simply do not have access to because of the way we have structured civil rights in the
00:50:23.260 united states and by the time you notice like if that's happening in your in your community by the
00:50:28.120 time like the quote-unquote normies recognize what's going on it's too late it's too late
00:50:32.140 because you can't you can't organize a large enough block to push back against um the number 0.86
00:50:37.040 of votes they would have on their side absolutely it's a great point cherry coke nixon says foreigners
00:50:42.000 not just ripping us off with jobs loans welfare they now get us convicted for free speech crimes
00:50:48.360 for words they can use yeah so in case you don't know uh shiloh hendrix was just found guilty by
00:50:54.440 a jury in minnesota of doing a heckin racism uh and so uh i just made a short about this i don't
00:51:01.860 know if i'm gonna you know do a whole show about it might need to because it is so significant of
00:51:06.980 a ruling uh but people need to understand that diversity creates tyranny right like when a
00:51:12.680 somali immigrant who has been uh charged uh and convicted of a sex crime is allowed to harass a
00:51:18.880 young mother at a park and she gets in trouble for saying a mean word to get him to go away
00:51:24.220 uh we have lost our minds uh in any real society uh civic action would have been taken towards that
00:51:31.860 individual to ensure that he never harassed another woman like that again uh and instead
00:51:37.160 what we see are like just people completely cowed uh by our current legal system the point of 0.85
00:51:42.740 putting shiloh hendrix in that position is to lynch her publicly so other white people get the
00:51:48.080 message that they don't have a country and they're not like allowed to speak up when their child 0.55
00:51:51.860 is being harassed uh by a guy who's a sex offender uh that's that's really where we're at right now
00:51:57.100 it's it's insane so i grew up in south florida and that's it you know ideally that is a very
00:52:01.980 diverse community um there would be times where you know depending on where which town i was in
00:52:07.280 so if i go to miami if i'm in miami-dade county i'm the only white guy in like the you know
00:52:10.580 nearest 60 miles so it is but it is what people would aspire to be like a diverse community but
00:52:18.820 also very staunchly american um you have not had there's a different there's a new flavor of
00:52:24.240 americana if you're going to like a second or third generation uh cuban's house for thanksgiving
00:52:30.080 because those guys dressed up as pilgrims they they came here they were like this is the greatest
00:52:34.640 place we've ever been in our lives we're staying here this is amazing i think what's changed over
00:52:39.820 the years now is a lot of guys come here and they're like we miss home so we're just going
00:52:44.440 to make this home right yeah the cubans are a very different story um not not a not a totally
00:52:50.900 net positive aspect to some you know some of south florida as a south florida resident myself but
00:52:56.580 But they are much better immigrants than the majority of people coming. 1.00
00:53:01.080 You got to watch out for that native population, man. 1.00
00:53:02.900 Watch out for Florida, man. 1.00
00:53:05.640 Look, okay, we only have a couple of gator tags this year,
00:53:08.680 but I'm pretty sure we're going to get at least three to four.
00:53:11.440 So gator bites are on the way.
00:53:14.720 Nixon also says, foreign debt slaves, are we Dubai now?
00:53:17.780 I mean, yeah, that's exactly kind of the scenario that you're in, 0.80
00:53:21.340 except instead of our government being the one that are putting people in these
00:53:24.420 position or our corporations it's usually as he said these foreign human traffickers or other
00:53:28.740 organizations in the other nation so it's even more dangerous for our integrity plus just deeply
00:53:33.860 immoral to be involved in that kind of facilitation and he says what dark forces fund cato these days
00:53:40.320 yeah i mean the cato institute what do you say that you can say legally on air um i think they're
00:53:47.300 just like all organizations they are just ideologically uh captured you know they they
00:53:52.300 have their talking points and they got to stick to it because as soon as you admit that you're wrong
00:53:55.720 on something that you've been championing for 20 years what else are you wrong about what else are
00:54:00.120 your donors going to get mad about and start pulling funding from 100 and enjoyer 762 says
00:54:05.240 forever republicans want amnesty they're traitors um there are certainly uh many republicans who
00:54:11.680 continue to push for amnesty i think you're going to have to make a harder case that trump wants
00:54:16.380 amnesty. There are problems I have with the intensity of deportations and other tasks,
00:54:23.500 as we said, going after employers and things. But ultimately, again, Trump is the best Republican
00:54:28.060 we have ever had on this. I'm sorry, but there was no John McCain or Mitt Romney or George W. Bush
00:54:33.900 version of what Trump has done. So look, I get it. I understand being critical of the administration,
00:54:39.340 saying they fell short in certain areas. That's entirely respectable. But I do think it behooves
00:54:44.180 you to be careful about, you know, overstating your case because I'm sorry, there just is a
00:54:48.680 difference between Trump and pro-amnesty forces in the Congress. I'm not saying that he's entirely
00:54:54.740 innocent of falling short in certain areas, but, you know, just remember things have been much,
00:55:00.520 much worse. And at the very least, Trump is a indication that we can move things in the right
00:55:05.720 direction with enough focus on politics at the national level. All right, guys, we're going to
00:55:11.600 go ahead and wrap this up justin it's been fantastic speaking with you i wish you the
00:55:15.660 best i guess you're not on the road anymore uh but people should definitely check you out on
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