The Auron MacIntyre Show - September 30, 2026


Territorialization and Deterritorialization: Why Inhuman Systems Are Hijacking Politics | 9⧸30⧸26

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00:00:20.060 All human institutions, customs, traditions, and ways of being
00:00:24.240 originate to serve the needs of specific peoples.
00:00:27.120 The collective experience, struggles, and beliefs of a tribe create a pattern of being or a code that organically rises to meet their specific challenges and perpetuate their way of life.
00:00:39.200 These institutions and systems are territorialized, meaning that they are deeply embedded in the specific cultural context of the tribe and serve its unique needs.
00:00:49.860 The seafaring civilization centers cultural values of exploration and trade.
00:00:55.060 The agricultural civilization centers consistent rhythms of sowing and reaping.
00:01:00.380 The conquering society centers martial prowess and honor.
00:01:04.140 Every system emerges with the concrete goals and well-being of a particular people as it's in.
00:01:11.460 Territorialization is critical because it ties the goals and operations of a system
00:01:16.520 to the needs of the people who are embodying a way of life.
00:01:20.020 The idea of metrics which evaluate the efficiency of any given system are foreign to a territorialized institution.
00:01:29.000 Systems don't exist for their own sake, but are only valuable insofar as they serve the ends of the tribe.
00:01:35.380 Those ends are determined by the specific way the people live their lives and the telus to which their culture is oriented.
00:01:42.540 There's a hard limit to how and for what purpose a system can operate.
00:01:46.980 The limit is the day-to-day continuance of a particular flesh-and-blood people.
00:01:53.480 Systems which are properly territorialized will be governed by the particular folkways of the people they serve.
00:01:59.940 Trade may be governed by the market, but marriage is governed by the power of the tribal patriarchs,
00:02:05.440 worship is governed by the priesthood, warfare is governed by the aristocrats,
00:02:09.600 and the power of the state is wielded by the king.
00:02:12.140 Each of these domains has its own sacred place in the order,
00:02:15.740 But importantly, they also draw their power in very different ways.
00:02:20.660 An outsider might be confused by the purpose of each system,
00:02:24.240 finding its origins perplexing or its operations inefficient.
00:02:28.180 But no one needs to explain the purpose of these systems to the tribes that gave birth to them.
00:02:33.420 This is the way things are, a natural outgrowth from the traditions of the people and the challenges they face.
00:02:39.920 The territorialized code arose from the people and serves the people.
00:02:43.740 No one else needs to understand or validate it.
00:02:47.080 In traditional societies, the entire system is designed to maintain the tribe as it is,
00:02:52.200 to achieve homeostasis.
00:02:54.260 The tribe doesn't produce less than it needs or more than it needs.
00:02:58.300 Marriage to outsiders is rare and generally considered taboo.
00:03:02.120 The warrior class draws only from people who are inside the tribe and doesn't elevate foreign troops.
00:03:07.780 Religion, culture, and tradition are exclusive to the people of the tribe
00:03:12.140 and are generally impenetrable to those who attempt to adopt them from the outside.
00:03:16.820 The purpose of the territorialized code is the maintenance of the tribe as it exists.
00:03:22.260 It doesn't have to have its own agenda or logic.
00:03:25.060 The code and the people are one.
00:03:28.020 One of the easily observable patterns of history is that successful organisms seek to expand,
00:03:33.580 and this is just as true of the biological humans who carry the code as it is for the code itself.
00:03:39.320 As the tribe becomes successful, it needs more territory and resources to expand its population.
00:03:45.380 But the need for expansion is not just material, it's also spiritual.
00:03:49.760 To expand the tribe must acquire territory and resources by conquest, whether it be military, diplomatic, cultural, or economic.
00:03:57.800 Glory, status, and wealth call to the ambitious members who recognize the opportunity for greatness as the civilization breaks out of homeostasis.
00:04:06.480 The code may provide barriers to this expansion, attempting to limit the production of wealth, the acquisition of territory, and the influx of outsiders that will inevitably change the tribe it was created to maintain.
00:04:18.800 But there's no denying that the great civilizations remembered by history are the ones that slip the bonds of the code and are overcome by the desire for greatness.
00:04:27.500 Is mere existence enough, or is the point of life to do more than maintain that which you were born to?
00:04:33.400 Like the uncontacted tribes of the Amazon, a people might exist in the same way for thousands of years if they maintain stasis, but is that truly the desirable end?
00:04:43.920 Either way, that's not a question civilizations ever really ask themselves or one which they make a definitive decision on.
00:04:51.420 If greatness calls, men follow, some to their doom and some to their glory, but the call is one of nature and not one that is chosen through deliberations.
00:05:00.560 As the society expands, it finds that the code is no longer sufficient.
00:05:04.660 Those systems arose from the specific circumstances, challenges, and beliefs of the tribe.
00:05:10.260 Conquest means that the tribe now has to face very different challenges,
00:05:13.940 but it also must learn to incorporate the population living in the territory it now controls.
00:05:19.260 Some conquerors exterminate the conquered, some enslave them, some make them subjects,
00:05:23.360 and a few even integrate them into the whole.
00:05:25.420 With the exception of extermination, these methods require that the systems the tribe initially developed for itself
00:05:31.660 must be adapted to govern or assimilate the new additions to the population.
00:05:36.360 Homeostasis has been broken, and a very different process is underway.
00:05:39.920 To scale up their civilizational systems, the conquering tribe must alter their nature
00:05:44.580 so they're not exclusively rooted in the way of being of the original population.
00:05:49.020 The process of deterritorialization begins.
00:05:51.960 territorialized systems come with natural limitations that check their power different
00:05:57.820 powers and functions in society exist within the context of the social institutions or classes
00:06:03.560 that gave birth to them and they create specific spheres of social influence for those institutions
00:06:09.660 or classes the social spheres that govern the function of the systems operate in very different
00:06:15.520 ways the priest aristocrat merchant and farmer all have very different ways of life attitudes
00:06:21.740 and approaches to social organization. The spheres of influence they operate reflect this
00:06:27.220 natural diversity. This means that the spheres of power create natural checks and balances for each
00:06:33.180 other, not only because they are jealously guarding their own power, but because the nature
00:06:38.100 of the organization itself is particular to each sphere. Priests would be terrible at running the
00:06:44.020 army because they don't understand how those systems operate. Warriors would be bad at running
00:06:48.840 the church for the same reason. The particularity of these territorialized systems does not scale
00:06:55.600 when it's time to adapt them to entirely foreign peoples. Suddenly, the army, church, market,
00:07:01.120 and state that grew slowly and organically from a particular people all must simultaneously be
00:07:06.880 thrust upon an alien people for whom it was not designed. The lack of interchangeability in the
00:07:12.760 territorialized system is now a liability because the time and effort necessary to slowly expand
00:07:18.680 the organic nature of the social spheres just doesn't exist. If the social systems of the
00:07:24.180 conquerors are to scale, they must break these systems out of the social constraints that once
00:07:29.800 bound them. They must be deterritorialized. In the modern liberal order, the most
00:07:35.360 universalizable medium for civilizational expansion has proven to be economic exchange.
00:07:41.760 As I explained in my previous book, The Total State, How Liberal Democracies Become Tyrannies,
00:07:46.260 what is often called classical liberalism attempted to remove existential questions of
00:07:51.740 identity territorialized in the good of specific people and instead created a minimum universal
00:07:57.960 morality or code which could enable economic exchange. By maximizing the amount of cooperation
00:08:04.980 possible between civilizations, liberalism reaped vast economic benefits, but those benefits came
00:08:11.300 at a cost. The scale required by this new system could only be achieved by creating mass bureaucratic
00:08:17.660 organizations designed to create homogenous operations across all participants. By ensuring
00:08:23.880 machine-like precision from human organizations, the liberal order was able to maximize the
00:08:29.140 efficiency of the system, but in the process it also had to transform the individual human and
00:08:34.420 the code they once lived under. Modernity is defined by the process of deterritorializing
00:08:40.260 functions of human civilizations that once existed in sacred or traditional spaces and
00:08:45.540 re-territorializing them in the marketplace. The elevation of a ruler was once a function
00:08:51.300 of a hereditary or aristocratic selection. In a mass democracy, it becomes a contest over who
00:08:57.360 can raise and spend the most money while selling the candidate like a product. Finding a young
00:09:02.540 person, a spouse, was traditionally a duty performed by families in churches. Now, most
00:09:07.240 romantic partnerships are selected as a product on a paid dating app. Music, literature, and art
00:09:13.160 were previously created by those receiving support from sacred spheres like the church or aristocratic
00:09:19.040 patrons. Now it's made at scale to be sold on Amazon or streamed on Netflix. Modern churches
00:09:25.200 often function more like corporations where the pastor provides a TED talk that can be streamed
00:09:30.740 on your smartphone than a place of sacred worship. The phenomenon can be seen most clearly in the way
00:09:36.560 that the function of the family has been broken down and re-territorialized piece by piece
00:09:41.980 into the marketplace. The mother is one of, if not the, key role on which a civilization is built,
00:09:48.420 but her job is not easy to quantify in an economic sense. Traditionally, mothers cared
00:09:53.780 for children and maintained the household, but there were so much more involved. Mothers were
00:09:58.560 responsible for being the primary educators of their children. The constant presence of mothers
00:10:03.480 in their neighborhoods during the day allowed them to know everyone and enforce a community
00:10:08.360 standard of behavior. This de facto neighborhood watch allowed for a high-trust society where
00:10:13.340 children could roam without fear because an adult was always close, watching out for threats and
00:10:18.580 correcting bad behavior. The homemaker didn't just stay at home watching television, she organized
00:10:24.000 social functions, community meetings, church functions, and cultural events. A mother volunteered
00:10:29.140 at the local thrift store that funds the Mutual Aid Society, ran the Vacation Bible School,
00:10:34.640 and helped to make sure her neighbor, who was overwhelmed by several children,
00:10:39.360 had an extra hand when things got tough. None of these duties show up directly in GDP numbers or
00:10:44.900 economic spreadsheets, but they serve an invaluable function in society. Most importantly,
00:10:49.760 those tasks are performed with a human and caring touch that can't be replaced by market forces.
00:10:55.780 Moving those critical roles into the market creates a larger labor pool, lowers wages,
00:11:00.220 increases economic activity, and financializes every aspect so it can be taxed.
00:11:04.720 The mother now works a job so she can pay several other people to do the work of raising her
00:11:09.780 children. Previously, it was one woman laboring outside the market providing education, supervision,
00:11:15.940 counseling, nutrition, and security. Now an entire team of employees provides the same service at a
00:11:22.000 much lower quality and at a much higher price, but every interaction is now financialized,
00:11:27.520 quantifiable, and taxable. This deterritorialization of motherhood doesn't just boost gross domestic
00:11:34.180 product. It helps the overcode to scale by further separating the individual from a collective way
00:11:39.760 of life. A mother carries with her a whole set of expectations surrounding the rearing of her
00:11:45.020 children. She doesn't just want her son to be a functional widget in a broader society, she cares
00:11:50.160 about his specific well-being. Her daughter's not just an employee or a student, but a precious
00:11:55.320 vessel that carries the identity of her people into the future. A mother will insist on a moral
00:12:00.660 education based on specific religious beliefs, will expect a particular quality of food to be
00:12:06.040 provided, and will be discerning about who her child spends time with. The particularity associated
00:12:11.380 with the direct motherly care creates friction for a system seeking to maximize cooperation
00:12:16.980 because it insists that too much of the social process remain heavily territorialized.
00:12:22.880 The attempt to create a scalable facsimile of the family is the natural process of expanding the overcode,
00:12:29.720 and it's also a feature of most totalitarian governments.
00:12:32.760 This doesn't need to occur via some form of market capitalism.
00:12:36.020 Communist countries prize their ability to turn children against their parents, as did some fascist regimes.
00:12:41.880 This is not solely the consequence of any economic or government system.
00:12:45.760 It's the inevitable result of scaling overcodes, and while the project can provide basics like supervision, education, and nutrition, it does so at great cost.
00:12:56.000 Humans are not the same. Some need more structure in education, some need less.
00:13:00.780 Some need constant challenges, while others require constant affirmation.
00:13:04.680 The more homogenous the process becomes, the further it can scale, but the worse the quality becomes for each individual.
00:13:10.480 The family constructed by the overcoat also lacks very important qualities which were previously provided by the mother.
00:13:17.360 Obviously, the mother provides real love and compassion that simply cannot be delivered by any employee,
00:13:23.180 leaving the child lacking a real, primal sense of belonging and well-being.
00:13:27.720 But the shortcomings manifest well beyond this dynamic.
00:13:30.940 Food, clothing, and shelter are basic needs.
00:13:33.360 But the mother was providing a whole host of intangible social goods that don't get translated into the market during de-territorialization.
00:13:41.860 Yes, the mother now hires someone to watch and make food for their child.
00:13:46.240 But who watches the streets and learns every car so they know if a stranger is stopping to pick up one of the neighborhood kids?
00:13:52.440 Who plans vacation Bible school or organizes the bake sale to raise money for the family that had their house burned down?
00:13:58.580 Who has the time to volunteer at the Kiwanis Club or arrange the community mixer where young people meet potential spouses?
00:14:05.160 The answer is no one does these things.
00:14:07.500 They fall away, and everyone in the community becomes poor in a way that they can't measure.
00:14:12.680 Every interaction also becomes less human.
00:14:15.420 The mother had only the welfare of her own children to manage directly.
00:14:19.240 The system must care for a wide variety of children at scale.
00:14:22.820 Instead of the care being tailored to the needs of the individual child,
00:14:26.200 the children must be shaped into something that the system can handle.
00:14:29.820 Employees may be perfectly nice to the child, but they can only provide supervision.
00:14:34.320 Hugging the child as a reward for good behavior would create legal liability.
00:14:38.580 The teacher might be allowed to provide discipline when the student behaves badly,
00:14:42.240 but they must follow strict guidelines.
00:14:44.600 They can never reduce or increase the severity of the punishment
00:14:47.480 due to their personal knowledge of the individual child.
00:14:50.080 Every decision is designed to serve and protect the system, not the individual humans who live under its operation.
00:14:56.280 The overcode stops serving people, and people begin to serve the overcode.
00:15:00.820 As we discussed previously, territorialization acts as a limiting factor that ties the system, the code, to the specific people it's supposed to serve.
00:15:09.820 The logic of the system might encourage it to sacrifice the well-being of the people for its own sake,
00:15:14.820 but the grounding of the code in a particular culture prevents that logic from being taken
00:15:19.280 to its conclusion. The homeostasis provided by territorialization protects the tribe,
00:15:24.680 but it also limits the scaling of the code. Once those limitations have been removed by
00:15:29.320 deterritorialization so that the system can scale, there's nothing stopping the overcoat
00:15:34.140 from sacrificing the people it once served in order to achieve its own goals.
00:15:39.260 The philosopher Nick Land is largely responsible for popularizing the term
00:15:43.600 accelerationism in relation to this process. Traditional societies once acted as a limiting
00:15:49.060 factor against deterritorialization, but the destruction of these human limitations has
00:15:54.580 created a closed, self-exciting feedback loop. As an illustration, consider the function of an
00:15:59.940 air conditioner. The process of heating a home is simple, and once it's begun, the air conditioner
00:16:04.720 wants to continue that process indefinitely. If the system is allowed to continue to do what it
00:16:10.160 was designed to do, it will increase the temperature in the home from a frosty 30 degrees to a
00:16:14.800 comfortable 60 degrees to a sweltering 90 degrees before killing the family inside at 140 degrees.
00:16:21.960 The key factor that allows the air conditioner to work for the sake of the humans inside the home
00:16:26.420 is the thermostat. The thermostat interrupts the heating process by providing negative feedback
00:16:31.800 and switching off the system once the home reaches the optimum temperature for humans.
00:16:36.240 The system itself does not care about the humans and would cook them alive while doing its job without any negative feedback.
00:16:43.680 It's the thermostat that territorializes the process, allowing it to operate freely until it reaches the limits of what's good for the family inside.
00:16:52.380 Without that negative feedback, the process will kill the people it was designed to serve.
00:16:57.160 The code was originally designed to serve a particular people, but it was deterritorialized so that it could expand along with the civilization.
00:17:04.820 First, the code was altered in small ways,
00:17:06.880 but as it became the overcode to govern a wide variety of peoples,
00:17:10.280 those restrictions fell away entirely.
00:17:12.640 By moving the sacred into the realm of the market,
00:17:15.160 the overcode was able to create a vast network of people it could govern,
00:17:18.720 but in the process it had to homogenize those peoples,
00:17:22.340 stripping them of individuality and making them less human.
00:17:25.680 The negative feedback that once limited the overcode to a specific people
00:17:29.360 has been eliminated, and now the system operates only in its own interests.
00:17:33.180 This closed loop only experiences positive feedback, creating a runaway cycle that accelerates with each turn.
00:17:40.540 Many people think of intelligence as a purely human trait, something produced by a brain serving the needs and desires of a person who possesses it.
00:17:47.620 But land's definition is far broader.
00:17:49.960 For land, intelligence exists in an organism, system, or process that continuously corrects for feedback to produce an outcome that's different from that which would otherwise naturally occur.
00:18:00.840 When the word cybernetics is used, it conjures images of science fiction robots, but that's not its original meaning.
00:18:07.220 Cybernetics is the science of studying control and communication in both animals and machines.
00:18:12.200 It's the investigation of feedback loops and how they allow both machines and biological organisms to self-regulate, correct for errors, and reach goals.
00:18:20.960 As a man in a boat travels down the river, he is constantly making small adjustments with the rudder to keep the boat from crashing into the shore.
00:18:27.840 The sailor is responding to feedback and is constantly learning how to better pilot his vessel.
00:18:32.960 This is a cybernetic process in action, and for land, any entity, be it man, machine, or system engaged in this process, is gaining intelligence.
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00:19:02.620 This conception of intelligence allows us to understand the behavior of non-human systems
00:19:07.360 that seem to take on lives of their own. We all have seen this phenomenon before as we watch a
00:19:12.820 bureaucratic organization sacrifice the well-being of the people who work for it and the people it
00:19:18.180 was supposed to serve to increase its own size and power. The problem is one of incentives.
00:19:22.560 Everyone who is being served by the public school system knows that an increase in managers and administrators doesn't benefit children in the classroom in the same way an increase in teachers would.
00:19:32.280 Even most of the people working inside the school system know this.
00:19:35.880 But since the 1950s, the number of principals and administrative staff in public schools has grown by 10 times the number of new teachers.
00:19:42.700 The structure of the bureaucratic organization itself creates a feedback loop which trains the entity to grow its base of managers, even if every individual involved believes that the increase in teachers would be more beneficial.
00:19:56.060 The organization has taken on a life and a logic all its own.
00:19:59.860 The organization no longer serves the people.
00:20:01.860 The people are simply fodder for the goals of the organization itself.
00:20:05.660 This dynamic served as the central theme of the total state,
00:20:08.840 where I explained why our government works in a radically different way
00:20:12.600 than is described in the Constitution or in popular education.
00:20:16.460 That phenomenon is not restricted to governments.
00:20:18.880 It's simply an example of a process that's altering every aspect of our society.
00:20:24.600 Everywhere we look, self-interested systems are tearing apart
00:20:28.060 and rearranging human social structures to create an increasingly inhuman society
00:20:33.140 which can serve their needs.
00:20:35.340 Almost none of this is intentionally sinister,
00:20:38.300 simply inhuman systems following their internal logic to its rational conclusion.
00:20:43.020 The greatest inefficiency in systems that were originally designed to serve humans
00:20:47.040 is the humans themselves.
00:20:48.840 The more machine-like you can make humans, the less drag they create in the system.
00:20:53.340 And if you can remove them, well, all the better.
00:20:56.000 The majority of this work will be dedicated to discussing the role
00:20:59.820 that hyper-agents created by the process of de-territorialization and re-territorialization
00:21:05.220 will play in our political future. Whether it be bureaucracies, markets, or artificial
00:21:10.260 intelligence, modern society is producing non-human entities that have their own sets of goals and
00:21:16.140 are accumulating enough intelligence in the Landian sense to pursue those goals. The aims
00:21:20.860 may be benevolent, nefarious, or indifferent, but they are inhuman by definition. It's clear that
00:21:26.540 these hyper agents are already driving a large amount of human behavior, and if they come to
00:21:31.040 dominate our political life, we need to understand what a truly post-human politics might look like.
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