The Auron MacIntyre Show - October 30, 2025


The Conservative Civil War Over Charlie Kirk ｜ 10⧸30⧸25


Episode Stats

Length

10 minutes

Words per Minute

164.21732

Word Count

1,732

Sentence Count

91

Hate Speech Sentences

4


Summary

Charlie Kirk should have brought the people of the United States together. Instead, it tore them apart. Conspiracy theories abound about who killed Charlie Kirk, why he was killed, and what happened to his legacy. And why we should all be angry about it.


Transcript

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00:00:14.980 The horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk should have brought the people of the United States
00:00:19.180 together. Instead, it tore them apart. Conservatives quickly realized that far too many of their
00:00:24.880 countrymen on the left were enthusiastically celebrating the murder, and even those who
00:00:29.200 managed a weak denunciation of the act heavily implied that Kirk ultimately got what he deserved.
00:00:35.200 For a moment, the realization that the average leftist was okay with the murder of Republicans
00:00:40.120 galvanized the right wing as conservatives unified to praise Kirk and call for justice.
00:00:45.540 Unfortunately, that unity quickly dissipated as it became clear that a battle for the
00:00:50.300 Turning Point USA founder's legacy was underway. This is the worst possible outcome, not just
00:00:56.740 because it turns Kirk's legacy into a political football, but because it's destroying the
00:01:01.600 movement he worked so tirelessly to build. In his farewell address, our first American
00:01:08.080 President George Washington spent a surprising amount of time outlining his vision for how
00:01:13.220 the fledgling country should navigate foreign policy. Washington reminded his fellow Americans
00:01:18.720 what a blessing the Lord had gifted the United States by separating the country from the great
00:01:23.840 powers of Europe. Washington warned that foreign influence was a deadly factor that could infect
00:01:30.360 sovereign republics, and being separated from the intrigues of the old world ensured American
00:01:36.000 independence. George Washington told the crowd that the United States should engage only in
00:01:42.280 economic relationships or brief targeted alliances with clear objectives and endpoints. He warned against
00:01:49.160 making any other nation an object of hatred as it would drive the United States to make decisions that harmed
00:01:55.160 its own people just despite the hated nation. Washington also stood firmly against treating any foreign power
00:02:01.660 as a favored nation because it would conflate the interests of the favored nation with the interests of the
00:02:07.700 American people. The first president foresaw a future where two sides formed inside the nation based entirely on their
00:02:15.480 support or rejection of a foreign power, ensuring that foreign influence would come to dominate domestic
00:02:21.800 politics. He also warned that any patriot who voiced their concern about foreign influence would be decried as a
00:02:28.760 traitor for questioning our greatest ally. Washington's prediction has come to pass, but the fracture doesn't just
00:02:35.140 run between left and right. It also cleaves through conservatism itself. The United States has had a close
00:02:41.960 relationship with Israel for decades, sharing intelligence, providing financial aid, supplying military
00:02:47.640 equipment, and offering diplomatic support. Many conservatives, particularly evangelical Christians,
00:02:53.320 have what can be described in the most literal terms as a religious devotion to the modern nation state of
00:02:59.460 Israel. Others claim a more practical benefit of intelligence and military assistance in critical Middle East
00:03:06.680 operations. This relationship is clearly in violation of Washington's advice, but to be fair, the same is true of
00:03:14.040 our relationships with countries like the United Kingdom and Germany. The big difference seems to be the religious
00:03:19.560 aspect that is attached to Israel. We may be longtime allies with the UK or Germany, but you can easily denounce
00:03:26.960 them with little to no consequence. Any questioning of the relationship with Israel, however, will generate a plethora of
00:03:33.800 slurs that you usually only hear from the left. Racist, Nazi, anti-Semite, bigot, you know the drill.
00:03:41.320 Just as Washington predicted, the centering of one nation in our foreign policy has brought about significant
00:03:47.240 internal strife and invited more foreign influence. Many pro-Israel conservatives have correctly noted the
00:03:55.200 increase of investment from Qatar into the United States. While there's some irony in becoming apoplectic about
00:04:02.120 one form of foreign influence while openly courting another, the concerns are at least legitimate.
00:04:08.360 Both Israel and Qatar have become major outposts of American power in the Middle East, and they're
00:04:13.620 spending massive amounts of money and effort increasing their influence in the United States.
00:04:19.200 And that doesn't even begin to address other instances of this, like the Indian diaspora, which is
00:04:24.860 attempting to solidify itself as a power block inside the U.S.
00:04:28.480 This is why Washington warned us about empire and extended alliances. All of this was predictable.
00:04:35.620 All of it was foreseen and warned against. But both sides bicker on as they refuse to heed the wise
00:04:41.740 advice of our first president. Charlie Kirk had many great skills, and one of them was his role as a
00:04:48.480 peacemaker. He was able to bring all corners of the right together and unite them in his support of
00:04:53.820 Donald Trump and the MAGA movement. That's why the Civil War being fought over his legacy is so ugly.
00:05:00.720 Conspiracy theories over Kirk's death abound, denunciations of people he clearly loved are
00:05:06.040 called for in his name, and personal text messages between the dead father and different conservative
00:05:11.760 influencers are now regularly divulged and used as weapons against the other side. It really is one of
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00:05:49.640 business. In a strange way, the impulse to interpret Kirk's personal messages as some form of sacred
00:05:58.880 text, which justifies your version of conservatism, reminds me of the way people now look at the
00:06:04.220 Constitution. The left strips our founding document of all literal meaning in the hopes of remaking the
00:06:10.180 country, and the right strips it of all context to form an ideology. Both sides are more worried
00:06:15.660 about the Constitution justifying their political program than they are in understanding its real
00:06:20.620 meaning and intention. In truth, it's clear that Charlie Kirk held a great deal of affection and
00:06:27.200 support for the state of Israel. He clearly supported its existence and believed that it held biblical
00:06:32.440 significance. That said, Kirk really was America first and seemed concerned about the military
00:06:38.380 intervention that the U.S. relationship with Israel often entailed. He also expressed frustration
00:06:44.240 about the fact that his Zionist donors applied a great deal of pressure on TPUSA to cancel
00:06:50.200 conservatives that they didn't agree with. Despite these misgivings, Kirk regularly stated that he was
00:06:56.100 worried about the growing animosity towards Israel on the right and sought ways to defuse it, both by
00:07:01.500 counter-messaging domestically and curbing Israeli excesses abroad. Charlie's position was nuanced,
00:07:08.060 like most of our opinions are on the issue once we're allowed to talk instead of screaming at each
00:07:13.680 other. Now, instead of using the political momentum from Kirk's assassination to crush the left-wing
00:07:19.760 terror network responsible for his death, the conservative movement has decided to draw its
00:07:24.020 long knives and turn on each other. Both sides failed to heed Washington's advice, one hating Israel with
00:07:31.360 enough fury to harm their own nation, and the other declaring that any deviation from total support of our
00:07:37.180 greatest ally is tantamount to treason. At a moment where conservatives should be banding together for
00:07:43.880 their very survival, they would rather settle scores than defend the future of their own nation.
00:07:49.680 The reality is obvious for anyone to see. Israel is not going anywhere, at least in the short term,
00:07:57.080 and the conservative movement will need a coherent plan for addressing relations with the nation.
00:08:02.320 The religious commitment will continue among evangelicals at some level, but this is a
00:08:08.620 generational phenomenon that is quickly fading among younger Christians. Advocates for Israel will
00:08:14.760 need to make their case on a far more practical basis if they want to win over the younger conservative
00:08:20.320 cohort. Those that wish to rethink or even completely abandon our relationship with Israel will also
00:08:26.500 continue to exist, and their number is frankly likely to grow. If fans of Israel want to avoid the
00:08:32.960 radicalization they claim to fear, there needs to be space inside the movement to voice those reasonable
00:08:39.160 opinions without experiencing a leftist struggle session. Those that oppose the current relationship
00:08:44.720 with Israel would do well to keep their arguments practical and factual. Washington's warning about
00:08:50.800 self-sabotage due to hatred is just as serious as his warning about favored nations.
00:08:57.180 A sizable portion of the left wants you and your children dead. That's a horrible thing to realize
00:09:02.560 about your fellow countrymen, but we all saw it after Charlie Kirk's assassination, and you just can't
00:09:08.400 unsee it. Whether a conservative is a Zionist or an Israel skeptic, they're not calling for you to be shot.
00:09:15.480 They're not hoping for a bullet to find the heart of your children.
00:09:18.800 That might sound like a low bar for coalition building, but it is the situation we're in,
00:09:24.360 and you shouldn't ignore that fact because someone was mean to you on the internet.
00:09:28.980 We don't have time to fight each other, and that's exactly the opposite of what
00:09:32.820 Charlie Kirk would have wanted done in his name. Now to be clear, I'm not playing the part of the
00:09:38.380 enlightened centrists here too good to have an opinion. I have opinions on this issue and have not
00:09:44.120 been shy about sharing them, but the left must be defeated thoroughly. We don't have time for
00:09:49.320 these squabbles. The conservative civil war must end. The stakes are simply too high.
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