The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Cornell Seven： Consent Was Never Enough ｜ 10⧸9⧸26

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00:02:08.460 all right guys so i haven't talked about it too directly but if you've been paying attention to

00:02:16.880 the news the case of what's been called the cornell 7 has become a big topic of conversation

00:02:24.020 Now, in some ways, it feels like it's synced to the news cycle. We've got the midterms coming up. It's a big election. It's time for the left to kind of pull out every October surprise that they've got. And another campus rape crisis story is really right in line with that.

00:02:39.860 Right. You can remember the mattress girl stories of a decade ago at this point, all of the different narratives about how colleges are extremely dangerous for women and they can't possibly exist safely in that environment.

00:02:56.040 all those things. It's tiresome. We've been through all those arguments, but if the left

00:03:01.800 can trot it out right before another big election to get them some points and to get some female

00:03:07.460 voters mobilized, well, they're going to do that, obviously. However, I don't want to talk about

00:03:13.180 the Cornell rape case to try to debunk the idea of any kind of college sexual violence. I mean,

00:03:18.980 I think it'll become aware, or you'll become aware that ultimately this is something that's

00:03:23.680 not a very serious charge going into the actual facts of the case. I don't even really want to

00:03:28.780 re-litigate the facts of the case very much. I'm not really interested in the salacious nature of

00:03:33.420 it. I really think it's important to talk about because it's going to impact us as a culture.

00:03:39.420 There's a very interesting thing happening after this event where a lot of questions about consent

00:03:45.880 are being ultimately evaluated. And I think that it reveals something about our culture that we

00:03:52.200 obviously feel the need to look at our standards around sexual activity the fact that we've

00:03:59.260 basically uh you know put this thin rope of consent between women and absolute disaster and

00:04:05.300 have turned men into some kind of predatory class in the entire affair this is a very dangerous game

00:04:11.040 and it's obviously having very bad effects on our society at large many on the left are starting to

00:04:16.240 grasp that but they don't know how to use the language to actually address the issue because

00:04:21.020 they've really boxed out all the real possible answers to fix this situation. So I want to get

00:04:27.480 started kind of breaking down what happened here and why we're in the situation that we're in,

00:04:33.260 and if there's any solution to this issue. So first, let's talk a little bit about the Cornell

00:04:39.220 7. Again, not super interested in all the details. I'm not going to be splashing the pictures of the

00:04:44.620 participants or anything involved here, but we've heard this kind of rhetoric before. A woman makes

00:04:50.120 some very bad decisions in a party type environment she's doing drugs she's intoxicated and she

00:04:56.900 decides to involve herself in group sex now there has been a lot of contention back and forth between

00:05:03.640 the different parties of when and where and how much this woman consented to apparently it

00:05:09.400 originally started with a few guys but then more guys came in and there was a question of whether

00:05:14.720 she consented to at all if she's capable of consent when she's that intoxicated if she only

00:05:20.300 consented to the original few guys or if all of these guys were eventually consented to at what

00:05:25.800 point is it meaningful to even have that level of consent if you're that high on drugs and alcohol

00:05:30.900 these are all things that were debated uh really interestingly apparently tmz got a hold of

00:05:38.780 text messages between the alleged victim and the alleged perpetrators though I don't even know if

00:05:46.060 that's even the correct phraseology at this point because many some of the guys who were involved

00:05:50.960 in the whole thing have now accused the woman of sexually assaulting them of raping them because

00:05:57.260 they were too intoxicated to consent so obviously like just a huge mess going on here but let me

00:06:04.000 show you the text messages because really it feels like that should be the beginning and the

00:06:10.660 end of it once we kind of you know think about the current standard for sexual behavior so

00:06:17.880 again I'm going to just leave the names out of here even though they're they're visible at this

00:06:22.480 point but it's it's the it's one of the guys involved saying hey this is me gave gave me

00:06:28.540 your number i wanted to apologize for how things went down the other night my memory is kind of

00:06:34.320 fuzzy uh about a lot and me and matt feel like you know bad words uh uh you know because we

00:06:42.840 didn't shut it down or kick people out before it got out of hand you're an amazing person i

00:06:46.920 genuinely hope uh you're not catching as much heat as we are so you get the idea this guy is

00:06:52.860 contacting uh you know contacting this girl who was involved in this group sex situation and

00:07:00.280 saying hey you know we were drunk too we didn't really know what was going on uh sorry about

00:07:06.200 everything if it got out of hand uh we you know we we didn't intend for things to go beyond i guess

00:07:11.740 the original you know threesome or whatever was going on there now the woman who's supposed to be

00:07:18.120 the victim here says ah i really appreciate this text my memory's super clouded i was drunk and

00:07:25.740 high uh and getting a little uh heated uh getting a little heat uh but that's to be expected uh

00:07:34.280 but at the end of the day uh none of the sexual stuff was illegal and honestly i really liked

00:07:39.720 being with you and matt so what yeah so obviously however you feel about this the woman in the

00:07:47.340 scenario is saying yeah i don't think the guys really did anything wrong uh you guys didn't do

00:07:52.320 anything wrong uh i'm i'm getting some criticism but i appreciate you reaching out to me uh so

00:07:59.400 anything anyone has to say about the um and she just says gangbang here it's her words is out of

00:08:06.180 their jurisdiction i don't think we need to feel any shame for that part our body our choice so

00:08:12.840 So here you see kind of the here you see the understanding of sexuality that is very popular today.

00:08:22.200 Right. Like this is a very common understanding of kind of how sexuality should be negotiated.

00:08:30.980 You have a woman. She consents to whatever she wants to with multiple other men.

00:08:38.020 if the situation is fluid or changes she's making choices she says that this none of the sex was

00:08:44.300 illegal or that they did anything wrong and that ultimately if anyone has any questions about it

00:08:49.660 well they're breaking the taboo because it's their bodies right it's their choice it's the people who

00:08:54.680 have questions about this group sexual activity that are the problem she calls it a gangbang and

00:08:59.800 says hey you know that's fine it's not for them to judge we get to make those choices it's our body

00:09:05.020 our choice. This is the perfect, you know, kind of instantiation of progressive sexual revolution

00:09:10.760 ideology. She was a consenting woman making her own decisions, felt perfectly confident in that

00:09:16.740 moment about it, even afterwards receiving apologies and texts saying, hey, I want to make

00:09:21.740 sure you're okay. Oh, you didn't do anything wrong. No one can judge us. Our bodies, our choice,

00:09:26.740 right? Like just pretty consistent. So if you have that level of consistency, what's the controversy,

00:09:34.260 right if if the woman involved initially said hey i'm fine with this you don't need to apologize

00:09:41.760 i enjoyed it uh there's anyone who criticizes us is uh you know that's their problem you know this

00:09:48.000 these are our bodies like what's the issue here and the answer is somewhat complicated but also

00:09:54.280 very simple in some ways uh we have decided to redefine sexual assault or rape to mean any sex

00:10:01.640 that a woman regrets later i mean that that's the situation right like she's being very clear

00:10:08.620 this is not illegal you didn't do anything wrong i consented to it i'm fine even when it escalated

00:10:14.060 beyond the original kind of negotiation anybody who has any criticisms they're a bad person like

00:10:20.000 she's being very clear about what the ground rules are here initially but then they shift when you

00:10:26.240 know maybe she feels uncomfortable or a friend convinces her that maybe she was a victim

00:10:30.180 and there's a lot going on here so let's let's start at the beginning first i want to make it

00:10:35.800 clear that everyone here was wrong i don't mean legally wrong nobody should go to jail for what

00:10:43.140 happened here under the current law legal system at least as far as we can tell i don't have any

00:10:49.700 special knowledge i am you know just accumulating these events as they occur just like you do i

00:10:56.040 I don't have any deep insight when it comes to hidden facts about the case.

00:11:01.540 I'm not speaking with any legal expertise, but it seems pretty clear here that she seems

00:11:08.600 to have given her consent and under the current legal system and that rubric, everybody seems

00:11:15.480 to have been covered in that way.

00:11:17.780 However, morally, everybody here was wrong, right?

00:11:21.160 like these guys should not be engaged in you know group sex with this woman the additional guys

00:11:27.720 coming in so definitely that's just gross like that's obviously immoral you should not be doing

00:11:32.620 that the woman should definitely not have put herself in the original position or continue to

00:11:37.820 participate when things escalated so you have a scenario where everyone here is morally wrong

00:11:43.640 i've seen some people try to put it all on the woman saying hey well anything she consents to

00:11:50.220 is fine uh i mean legally again that's gonna probably be true but morally that's not true

00:11:56.380 uh consent is not a sufficient legal uh requirement but or sorry it's a sufficient

00:12:02.280 legal requirement it's not a sufficient moral requirement right like there's much more to sex

00:12:07.560 than consent and i don't care what liberals tell you i don't care what progressives or the sexual

00:12:12.380 revolution told you uh you there's more to it there's more to the morality behind uh sex than

00:12:18.720 just consent then i've also seen you know everyone try to put things on the young men saying well

00:12:25.800 you know she was a victim ultimately there's way more of them than there are of her you know she's

00:12:30.440 intoxicated it's all their fault they did this to her uh and you know even if she did say yes

00:12:36.640 ultimately she can't be held responsible for her own decisions because well we can't hold women

00:12:41.760 responsible for their decisions ever and so uh you know that that's why it's all the men you know

00:12:48.000 their numbers their power i mean they were probably intimidating her or something even

00:12:52.260 though we have no evidence of that even though she seems to be fine about it like ultimately

00:12:55.840 that's the issue uh and that's garbage too right like the woman has culpability here

00:13:02.640 she put herself in this position she went back and said she was okay with it um if we're going

00:13:09.820 to treat women as any kind of rational people with any form of agency and we'll talk about

00:13:14.600 that in a second because it definitely loops back to the lindsey clancy case but if we're going to

00:13:18.520 treat women like that at all then they have to have responsibility for their actions you can't

00:13:22.740 just say every time a woman feels bad about it it turns out it was the man's fault i get there's a

00:13:28.360 certain level of you want to say men have an additional responsibility i'm actually fine with

00:13:34.160 that but if you're going to give men an additional responsibility you have to give them an additional

00:13:37.720 authority and that's going to be a lot about what we talked today too a lot of people are wanting to

00:13:42.100 act as if the men should behave better because they have additional responsibilities but they're

00:13:46.800 unwilling to grant them the authority that goes with that they want the men to behave in a right

00:13:51.600 way that the society tells them is they're not the right way you know actually attacks them

00:13:56.920 because they're if they behave that way and they're just supposed to take it because like

00:14:02.320 that's the right thing to do they shouldn't get any benefit for being good people they shouldn't

00:14:06.220 get any kind of authority ultimately for having additional responsibility they should just have

00:14:11.580 all the responsibility, but none of the authority. And that's a disaster as well. So we'll get into

00:14:16.300 that in a second. But it's very clear that we have this contentious moment where the text messages

00:14:23.040 are revealing the reality of what happened in the moment. But after the fact, everyone knows that

00:14:29.220 something wrong happened here. No matter what the rhetoric is, no matter what the progressive

00:14:33.700 storyline about sexual morality is, everyone looks at this and says, something went wrong here. But

00:14:40.540 no one can put their finger on what it is because we've destroyed sexual morality we had the sexual

00:14:47.580 revolution we took down every bit of the barriers uh when it came to sex we've made everything uh

00:14:55.080 you know something that you can ultimately consent to consent is the final barrier it's the only

00:14:59.660 barrier when it comes to any sexual act and if you question any consensual sexual act well you're a

00:15:05.000 bad person right like that's been our argument for gay sex and trans sex and all this weird stuff

00:15:11.460 right however now leftists have suddenly discovered that consent is not enough because they're looking

00:15:18.000 at a case like the Cornell 7 and they're saying I know something's wrong here and even if she

00:15:23.380 consented to it there's still something wrong here and they're right about that but they don't have

00:15:27.920 the language for it because they've destroyed the Christian morality traditional morality

00:15:31.980 that undergirded the sexual understanding we had previously and so they are just sitting there with

00:15:39.480 no language i you know i love alistair mcintyre's after virtue and one of the reasons i love it is

00:15:46.180 in the first chapter of that book he talks about uh you know this this hypothetical thought

00:15:52.020 experiment what if people completely forgot uh about science like there was some kind of

00:15:57.460 nuclear cataclysm and we lost all of the knowledge of science and over time you know people wanted

00:16:05.200 to kind of go back to having a knowledge of science but all of it had all the knowledge

00:16:10.600 had been destroyed and so like they find these old textbooks and they start using the jargon

00:16:15.080 of science you know they say hey that thing's photosynthesis or that thing is you know physics

00:16:20.020 but they don't know what any of those words mean hey that molecule over there even though they

00:16:24.460 they don't have any grasp on the science and so they've they've just had this poverty of language

00:16:29.380 describe what they're trying to understand and he says the same thing has happened with morality

00:16:34.300 we basically lost all of the moral context in which we use the vocabulary so when people say

00:16:40.420 things like liberty or freedom or rights or duties like we don't know what those words mean anymore

00:16:45.820 we've completely uh you know jettisoned the previous understanding we've lost connection to

00:16:49.880 it and so when we have these discussions uh they're they're completely without context and

00:16:54.940 this is why we're all grasping around constantly we're talking past each other because we have no

00:16:58.820 shared definitions and i think that's what's happening here with the sexual morality the

00:17:03.100 left is trying to have this conversation around consent but they don't have the vocabulary because

00:17:09.020 they they banned the vocabulary like quite literally like they went out of their way

00:17:13.040 to witch hunt and destroy the ability to have this conversation in this manner because they

00:17:18.780 didn't want there to be really any sexual mores anymore they wanted everything to be on the table

00:17:23.740 everything to be above reproach everything to be beyond any kind of criticism and so then when

00:17:29.780 things that they're uncomfortable with occur they know they're bad but they can't say anything about

00:17:33.860 it because they literally built their entire you know kind of position about the you know the

00:17:38.440 deconstruction of this morality and that's a pretty big problem when you're trying to address this

00:17:43.500 issue so the first thing i want to do is look through this uh harvard crimson article that came

00:17:48.140 out right after the whole thing it's very interesting ride now as far as i understand

00:17:54.620 the author is in no way like traditional i don't know i don't know them personally but as it was

00:18:00.440 described actually angry liberals got on my twitter post about it and told me that this person is

00:18:05.380 actually like some kind of uh you know progressive you know academic whoever uh so whatever uh that's

00:18:13.580 not the point the point is when you look at this article it's very interesting because the author

00:18:19.040 is clearly reaching for something they can't grasp and that's pretty fascinating you see the title

00:18:24.700 here the cornell case shows gen z is moving away from the ethic from an ethics of consent now that's

00:18:31.400 very funny because this has been my argument for a very long time i think i think i've made

00:18:35.380 previous videos maybe not i'm trying to remember i've made somebody at this point but i think i've

00:18:39.720 talked about this specifically, that consent is a terrible standard for morality, and that

00:18:46.160 ultimately, if you embrace that, you're going to produce exactly what we got here. So here they are

00:18:51.800 discovering something that an arch-Christian reactionary has been saying for years, and I'm

00:18:56.320 far from alone or far from the first person to do so. I'm not taking credit for that. But my point

00:19:01.400 is, you know, I've got this sign out there that I used to tap pretty often, which is liberals will,

00:19:08.180 you know reconstruct traditional sexual morality and act like they've discovered atlantis and

00:19:14.300 that's a lot what's happening in this piece that this woman is acting as if uh you know gen z has

00:19:20.000 suddenly discovered that consent doesn't work when in fact consent never worked it was never

00:19:25.440 sufficient it was always a mistake to move some to some standard of consent lots of people myself

00:19:30.240 included warned about the dangers of this and so the fact that all of a sudden we're pretending

00:19:35.180 like oh we just discovered something that that consent might not be enough isn't this a crazy

00:19:40.080 revelation uh no no congratulations you caught up with your grandmother good job well done now

00:19:47.460 the problem of course is that when we go through this you're going to see there's a pretty critical

00:19:52.360 missing piece or two when it comes to trying to reform this and that's why this project is going

00:19:58.400 to fail it's going to fail because there is no firm ground for it to stand on so after we get

00:20:04.660 doesn't talk about why it's going to fail we're going to talk about what it would take to succeed

00:20:07.540 and while i why i seriously doubt that the left is going to be able to you know pull this off at all

00:20:13.180 so let's take a look at some of the article here by yona sperling milner uh apparently a crimson

00:20:21.480 editor and uh concentrating in social studies uh by now it's unnecessary to rehearse the lurid

00:20:28.300 details of the jane doe lawsuit which has been aired in mass amid the upsurge in student

00:20:34.040 discontent that at first glance looks much like the other me too protests we've seen but the

00:20:40.000 discourse around the cornell case stands out for something new a narrative emerging among young

00:20:44.860 people that more than just consent is required to make a sex act ethical theoretically the details

00:20:52.020 of jane doe situation scuzzy weekend party seven man orgy and a frat a snapchat message asking

00:20:58.620 shops still open, could sit comfortably alongside even the enthusiastic consent standard compounded

00:21:05.760 by the latest wave of consent activists. And indeed, the original police filing was not

00:21:12.680 classified as a rape precisely because Jane Doe's initial statement appeared to describe

00:21:17.300 a voluntary encounter that was, according to the Tompkins County District Attorney,

00:21:21.720 voluntary consensual uh and conscious okay so here we get the opening of saying look uh you know

00:21:28.780 woman in a very compromising situation uh makes herself available to a number of men things

00:21:35.700 escalate uh obviously like terrible behavior talking about how basically you know how the

00:21:42.800 woman is available for even more men if someone would like to come by however at the end of the

00:21:48.400 day you have to admit even the police have to admit doesn't violate our standards as we understand

00:21:54.060 them today in the modern world as gross as this is as ugly as it is it's perfectly legal and we

00:22:02.540 have to deal with the ramifications of that because we all know this is bad like whoever's

00:22:07.080 in anyone telling you i don't i think at this point you know everyone's agreeing this is a

00:22:11.740 terrible idea right so obviously this is a very bad idea but we don't have the language to tell

00:22:17.800 anyone why the police can't convict anyone and to be clear they shouldn't like if that if this is

00:22:23.120 the case then the men are legally without fault there should be more than legality here but i

00:22:29.680 want to make that clear first this is not some excuse to then go witch hunt these guys uh but

00:22:35.560 op-eds in student newspapers around the country evoke language that would not be out of place

00:22:40.840 in an introductory Kant seminar in the Cornell Daily Sun a student says fraternity functions as

00:22:46.820 a market where women are seen as commodities a dart myth contributor lambast frat culture where

00:22:51.980 brothers humiliate and degrade that and that teaches men to treat women and others like

00:22:57.240 subhuman objects so again this is just the old feminist rhetoric right this is the exhaustive

00:23:02.740 feminist rhetoric of hey uh these male organizations they're all patriarchies they're all they only

00:23:08.500 exist to subjugate women to to you know turn women into commodities all that kind of stuff

00:23:14.020 just the general hatred of any male-leaning institution. Now, that doesn't excuse the

00:23:21.440 behavior if there is bad behavior in a given fraternity, but this generalization of male

00:23:28.320 spaces as always being some kind of area where women are intentionally victimized, this fits

00:23:35.460 perfectly into the classic feminist critique. There's nothing new here. The emerging picture

00:23:40.940 is of a sexual ethic that cannot be satisfied simply by one liberal autonomous agent assenting

00:23:47.340 to the actions of another oh wow man i wish somebody had been making that argument for years

00:23:55.040 right like this is this is the exact argument that i have been making that many others have

00:24:01.580 been making that the idea that one liberal autonomous agent assenting to an action of

00:24:06.300 another is not sufficient. That is not a sufficient basis for morality. That morality is thin gruel.

00:24:13.560 It's like the minimum viable morality that liberalism attempts to foist on the population,

00:24:18.560 and it inevitably fails. It inevitably breaks down. The new ethic requires upholding the dignity

00:24:25.620 and respect of the human being involved. Respecting women is incompatible with drug-fueled orgies

00:24:30.500 where the shop is open regardless of how consensual set orgy may or may not be.

00:24:36.960 Critical. Critical sentence here.

00:24:40.640 The new ethic requires upholding the dignity and respect of a human being involved.

00:24:45.360 Respecting women is incompatible with what happened here.

00:24:49.300 Okay, so one, why are you required to do that?

00:24:54.680 What compels that?

00:24:56.640 Two, what does respect for women look like?

00:25:00.120 Does respect for women look like agreeing with their choices?

00:25:04.660 Because if we believe this woman actually consented,

00:25:08.280 then she made a free choice.

00:25:10.620 And under liberal morality, a woman who's made a free choice

00:25:13.620 can only be respected by honoring that choice.

00:25:18.000 You're not honoring her choice by telling her that this action was wrong.

00:25:23.480 So if her choice is not worthy of honor, what is?

00:25:26.620 if her consent is not is what is not what is worthy of honor if her free choice her free will

00:25:33.760 is not of worthy of being respected then what is being respected here the problem is that the

00:25:41.000 author is looking for something transcendent that she cannot claim she's looking for something that

00:25:47.660 is above individual consent above rational transactions in a marketplace and she has

00:25:56.180 no language from which to draw for it because liberalism denies all these things progressivism

00:26:02.420 deconstructed all of these things it does respecting a woman mean doing more than what

00:26:10.660 she consents to or less does it mean that you owe something not to what a woman says

00:26:16.960 or what she even wills but what is best for her and does that mean you know what's best for her

00:26:22.920 does the author know what's best for her does she know what's best for jane doe jane doe can't make

00:26:28.840 that decision the author makes it for her if so why what gives her that authority what is she

00:26:34.480 standing on what transcendent ground is she trying to claim in order to say that to honor the woman

00:26:40.740 is to do something beyond what she has consented to to do something higher more important

00:26:47.400 to assign to that woman a value beyond what she assigns to herself.

00:26:55.160 That's what you're asking for.

00:26:57.680 And I agree, by the way, that that's how you should behave.

00:27:02.180 Women are more than their consent.

00:27:04.980 Women are more than that.

00:27:08.140 But that's because I think there is something beyond a woman that has to be honored.

00:27:13.140 that God's law, that God's truth is more powerful than the consent of a woman.

00:27:19.980 And so when I'm respecting her dignity, I might deny her choices.

00:27:25.460 Even if a woman freely says, this is what I want to do.

00:27:29.720 If I respect her, if I think that she is valuable, not just because of her ability to consent,

00:27:37.260 but because she is created in the image of God and he has commanded her to behave a certain way

00:27:42.580 and commanded me to treat her a certain way.

00:27:45.320 Well, that's a very different story.

00:27:48.120 Because now I'm not just bound by her consent.

00:27:50.720 Now I'm just not just bound to give her consent the ultimate value, her will.

00:27:55.780 I might be able to look at a woman and say, you're wrong.

00:27:59.180 Your will, your desire, your consent, it's insufficient.

00:28:04.040 It's beneath you.

00:28:06.600 I respect something higher than your will.

00:28:11.280 That's huge.

00:28:12.220 that's a huge claim that's a that's a that's a dart directly at the heart of progressivism

00:28:17.820 and that's why this is such a dangerous discussion for the left they don't even know it they don't

00:28:23.920 even they can't even see what they're doing here because by trying to reach for something beyond

00:28:30.080 what they even allow in their metaphysical framework they are implying its existence

00:28:35.780 they're making an admission we don't just see the world as a set of human rational actors

00:28:42.500 navigating things through their own will we actually recognize that there is a higher truth

00:28:48.440 beyond what people want what they assent to and that we might even need to deny people what they

00:28:56.540 want deny their sexual desires deny their sexual choices to them as free actors if they're a

00:29:05.760 moral oh wait what does this what does this mean about trans people what what if their decision

00:29:15.740 to become another sex is fundamentally wrong even if they're consenting to it what about homosexuality

00:29:26.660 what if making a choice to have gay sex is no choice at all because there's a higher transcendent

00:29:35.420 truth that needs to be imposed on you. Your choices are not enough. All of this is implied

00:29:41.020 in what she's saying here, but she can't say it. And that's why it's so dangerous.

00:29:46.680 In the New York University student paper, Collette Yale criticizes the currency of

00:29:54.900 dehumanizing sexual language that shows the gap between consent-based standards and true mutual

00:30:00.320 respect the commonplace what's your body account is not an explicitly harmful question but still

00:30:06.380 blatantly dehumanizes those involved a few decades of sex positivity may have erased most of sexual

00:30:12.700 tab most of sex's taboos but openness about intimacy hasn't translated into greater respect

00:30:18.120 for sexual partners in short it's not embarrassing to demand what uh that we treat each other as human

00:30:24.600 beings so another huge problem here right you have a scenario where they're saying well yes

00:30:29.980 we've eroded all of these sexual taboos

00:30:32.940 and yes we're being more open

00:30:34.500 about our sexual experiences

00:30:36.440 and preferences and all these other things

00:30:38.680 but the result

00:30:40.660 has not been

00:30:41.720 a greater respect for each other

00:30:44.300 right this is the story

00:30:46.380 that progressives tell about sex

00:30:48.160 conservatives are these fuddy duddies

00:30:50.180 they're these you know highly

00:30:52.340 repressed people who

00:30:54.280 never have any sex even though actually

00:30:56.180 studies show that like church going conservatives

00:30:58.300 have way more sex than everybody else

00:30:59.980 but never let the facts get in the way of the leftist narrative.

00:31:03.060 And they've told themselves that if we would just be open and honest about sex,

00:31:07.380 if we would just discuss all of our sexual desires and all of our sexual acts,

00:31:14.080 that ultimately they would just be normalized and it wouldn't be a problem.

00:31:16.700 It would be like talking about your favorite burrito or your favorite burger

00:31:21.000 or that kind of thing off a menu.

00:31:22.140 Like it's just one more consumer product.

00:31:24.920 And what we learned is actually it did the exact opposite.

00:31:28.080 constantly talking about this constantly talking about uh sex in this way divulging these facts

00:31:34.640 it didn't increase tolerance it reduced humanity and it turns out that this last part that they

00:31:40.960 say in short it's not embarrassing to man that we treat each other actually human beings

00:31:43.840 that is based on nothing this is the be a hecking good person from the from the uh atheist right

00:31:50.900 it is a view from nowhere it has no content what does it mean to treat each other as human beings

00:31:56.800 what does that even mean you don't know and you can't describe why all of this discussion this

00:32:02.820 open discussion about sexuality has destroyed the way we actually treat each other because you that

00:32:08.660 would again undermine your entire worldview this is a huge problem the tension around consent

00:32:17.560 monoculture is born out in uh miniature in jane doe's own story after the fraternity party she

00:32:24.520 texted mail number one that none of the sexual stuff was illegal. Everyone needs to grow up

00:32:30.040 because sexuality and sex is changing and stuff like this is going to become more common. It's

00:32:39.660 also very open-minded though. But the sex positive talking points has lost its appeal by the time

00:32:46.680 she encountered a narrative which identified her violation as gang rape. In the transcript of her

00:32:51.480 interview with the police, she expected sadness that a man she was interested in was using her

00:32:55.860 and said, I was a sex doll for all intents and purposes. That is what's sad. So here we get the

00:33:00.620 direct admission, right? She consents to the thing. She's telling everybody, hey, I agree with

00:33:07.380 progressivism. I agree with progressive morality. This is how we should act. This is how we should

00:33:12.060 treat everything. Everybody who's not on board with this is just some lame, you know, stuffed

00:33:16.880 up puritan uh you know they need to understand this stuff's going to be normal uh we're going

00:33:21.020 to do this kind of stuff all the time uh you know being open-minded everything right but then she

00:33:26.380 felt bad about it and all of a sudden it's time to bring lawsuits or charges or whatever else

00:33:31.520 because it turns out actually i was a victim the entire time and yeah like at some level

00:33:37.720 there was something wrong done here but she didn't understand at the time because feminism

00:33:43.720 had literally brainwashed her progressive sexual ethics had brainwashed her into destroying her

00:33:49.900 own credibility her own value as a woman and treating it as nothing treating it as open-minded

00:33:56.580 as just one more experience in the consumer buffet so once all those things she tried to

00:34:02.800 tell herself didn't exist all those sexual more she said are too lame too weak too too old too

00:34:08.920 christian once those things started weighing down on her because you know they're real

00:34:13.680 because it turns out reality enforces itself on you no matter what you do

00:34:18.100 it turns out that if you run around and you sleep around as a woman eventually

00:34:23.340 your soul will catch up to you as a man too by the way and so ultimately she tried to tell

00:34:31.340 herself that all these things were in the past they didn't matter and then when they caught up

00:34:35.080 to her she was a victim and this is what we can't abide right she's right that ultimately something

00:34:41.820 wrong was done to her but what she doesn't want to do is take responsibility there's no responsibility

00:34:47.580 here there's no i messed up i made a mistake i shouldn't have consented to this i shouldn't

00:34:54.360 have put myself in this position i shouldn't have been on a ton of drugs around guys that

00:34:58.240 i was trying to sleep with and eventually just allowed all of this to happen i shouldn't have

00:35:04.320 done that. There's none of that there. It's all about how I've become a victim, because at some

00:35:10.320 point, the consent was not enough. Jane's situation also reflects many of the contradictions internal

00:35:16.140 to consent. What is the value of this concept if it can be taken back retroactively? Indeed,

00:35:22.500 if we are so rarely in a situation of clear thinking, perfectly informed yes-no robots,

00:35:26.740 it doesn't seem to be adequately cover situations of straight-up exploitation.

00:35:34.320 So when can you not consent to your own exploitation?

00:35:38.800 Right?

00:35:39.300 Like, that's a huge question.

00:35:40.460 And you can't just have this moment where retroactively you can destroy the lives of men after you've consented to it.

00:35:46.700 Either the woman has the ability to say yes to this or she doesn't.

00:35:50.740 And if she doesn't have the ability to say yes to this, then we need to start talking about agency and what that means.

00:35:56.760 Because you can't live in a world where men are punished for not allowing maximum female agency, but then are also punished for allowing maximum female agency.

00:36:09.700 Either women are making decisions or they're not.

00:36:13.260 Either responsible for their actions or they're not.

00:36:15.820 And I think it's very clear that everyone, even progressives, believe in this scenario she wasn't.

00:36:22.220 So what does that mean?

00:36:23.640 It has some pretty big implications.

00:36:25.520 We'll get into them in a second.

00:36:26.760 To many observers, it's hard to imagine that a compromised situation like Jane Doe's could be consensual with swirling factors of inebriation, social pressure and false consciousness.

00:36:36.300 I mean, two of these things are just completely made up psychobabble terms, right?

00:36:41.760 Like I've got a false consciousness.

00:36:44.240 There's social pressure.

00:36:45.160 There's always social pressure, social pressure for everything.

00:36:47.500 You're not responsible for a situation where there's social pressure.

00:36:50.520 So five people stand around and tell you to murder somebody.

00:36:53.300 You're not culpable because there was social pressure.

00:36:55.440 you would adopt it a false consciousness the only question here is one of inebriation

00:36:59.460 and then your drinking becomes everybody else's problem your drug use becomes somebody else's

00:37:04.000 problem they have to figure out whether or not you're in a state even though you put yourself

00:37:09.180 in that position where you can evaluate it and then therefore your consent never means anything

00:37:14.140 because that means you're never in a position to actually evaluate if you are able to make

00:37:18.960 a choice a real choice a free choice this is the total destruction of consent as a meaningful

00:37:24.760 concept consent is a legal standard not a comprehensive ethical guide that's why it's

00:37:30.240 right for a county attorney to invoke it as a reason the charges shouldn't be pressed and why

00:37:34.280 we can feel impoverished to use it as the sole criteria to judge the jade doe case there is no

00:37:40.880 number of video variations on the desirability of uh darge dealing that can account for the

00:37:47.720 icky feeling evoked by even some ostensibly consensual sex acts in 2022 the washington

00:37:53.800 Compose columnist Christine Emba advocated for a moving beyond the consent-based sexual ethic on

00:38:00.700 the ground that consent is necessary but not sufficient condition. Endless haggling for a

00:38:05.920 stricter definition of consent would not answer how to conduct a relationship that affirms your

00:38:11.140 fundamental personhood and human dignity. In the meantime, young women are left to grasp for a way

00:38:15.980 to adequately express what feels wrong in a situation much more multifaceted than simple

00:38:23.320 contractual claims yes it turns out that sex is not a contract that sex is not in itself just a

00:38:29.680 series of legal check boxes that you do before you have fun that actually means much more and

00:38:36.160 that's what we talk about when we mean human dignity and that's the danger here again this

00:38:40.420 is what leftists are playing with fire on this one because if there's more to sex than just the

00:38:46.380 consent if it's more than just a contract if there's a real complex scenario in which we must

00:38:52.160 evaluate the honor and dignity of a woman well then we have to think about what grants a woman

00:38:58.320 honor and dignity where does that come from what what beyond her own individual actions her own

00:39:04.700 individual consent grants her these dignity this dignity that has to be respected the answer has

00:39:11.820 to be something transcendent has to be something outside of her because if not then her own choices

00:39:15.780 should determine everything. If her own dignity is on her humanity, well, as a human, she makes

00:39:22.540 decisions. So these are just empty moralistic appeals. It's the attempt to appeal to a universal

00:39:29.800 standard of human morality while denying the basis of universal standards of human morality.

00:39:37.040 That's a huge problem. The shortage of vocabulary is garbled the way young people talk about the

00:39:43.300 cornell case we'd much better be better off if we frame jane doe's experience not as a wrong because

00:39:48.100 consensual but wrong because her dignity wasn't respected wrong because she's being used as a

00:39:53.120 sex doll rather than being treated as a feel human being again this is all she really has left so i'm

00:39:58.540 not going to beat this into the ground but she's just going to repeat this over and over again

00:40:01.560 human dignity being treated like a human being having dignity again never defines what that is

00:40:07.440 never defines where it comes from never defines why the dignity supersedes this person's own

00:40:12.360 decision-making? Why is the dignity of treating her a certain way more important than the dignity

00:40:18.500 of respecting her choices? Aren't you removing her agency, removing her individual action,

00:40:25.280 removing her dignity by denying what she wants? Under the normal progressive rubric, the answer

00:40:30.860 is absolutely. So you must be using some other standard. What is that other standard? Well,

00:40:36.340 obviously we're appealing to traditional Christian moral values, right? Like that's what she's

00:40:42.940 reaching for. She's not allowed to touch it because obviously like that's not what a progressive

00:40:47.640 liberal at the Crimson Harvard or the Harvard Crimson ultimately believes in, but that's

00:40:53.300 definitely what she's reaching for. And this becomes a really important question because we

00:40:59.640 can't not connect this to something like the Lindsay Clancy case where this woman murders

00:41:04.640 three of her children in cold blood obviously premeditated

00:41:09.060 and then she tries to claim that she had no control over her own actions and lots of women

00:41:16.920 back her up and say of course she didn't and this one-two punch really has to ask you like

00:41:22.760 do women want agency you know if this is what we're ultimately saying here that well women

00:41:30.100 just can't have agency they can't make decisions they can't be held accountable well what are we

00:41:37.220 saying you know that women just lose the ability to make decisions in certain moments and they you

00:41:43.560 know the men in their lives or the men in their you know dorm rooms they're the ones who are

00:41:48.200 ultimately always responsible that's what we're really saying is that the men are always responsible

00:41:53.420 okay i mean we we can say that but then an important thing has to happen here and this

00:42:00.540 is the issue okay this is the issue it's the demand for all the protections of a traditional

00:42:08.960 biblical christian morality without any of the duties and i want to be clear here this is once

00:42:16.860 again not all women right like the plenty of women don't believe this there are plenty of

00:42:21.180 great Christian women who were totally abhorred at the Lindsay Clancy thing and would be totally

00:42:25.900 abhorred of what's happening here. This is not some general attack on women. However, there is

00:42:31.480 a preponderance of women out there who believe this. It's very clear that this is a very common

00:42:36.680 and useful frame for a lot of women out there, especially liberal women, but women in general

00:42:41.200 get this advantage where we're demanding that men be responsible, but have no authority.

00:42:47.420 that ultimately men can't tell women what to do

00:42:51.060 or how to behave.

00:42:51.840 They can't restrict female behavior in any way.

00:42:54.380 They can't have any authority over women in their lives.

00:42:57.580 But they are responsible for everything those women do.

00:43:01.180 That ultimately the man is the only real moral actor,

00:43:04.100 the only real agentic person in the room.

00:43:07.720 And so anything that happens

00:43:08.800 is always the male's fault by default.

00:43:13.360 That cannot exist.

00:43:14.700 That is a recipe for disaster.

00:43:18.140 That is going to blow up your civilization really quick.

00:43:20.620 And we're watching it do so.

00:43:22.040 Because this is basically the assumption of our entire world right now.

00:43:27.020 Women are never to blame, but they always get to make decisions.

00:43:30.320 Women are always individuals.

00:43:31.740 They're always full of agency.

00:43:33.560 They're always capable.

00:43:36.000 Until they decide they don't like the results of something that happened.

00:43:40.080 And then men are the one who actually did it.

00:43:43.060 And that is the real active, you know, kind of expectation from a large number of women.

00:43:51.040 And that is untenable for all the reasons we've already discussed. Now, a lot of this also links

00:43:58.960 back to the destruction of gender roles. Let's be a little frank here, okay? First, we should treat

00:44:06.540 women with respect because God demands us to. We should treat women with respect because that's

00:44:12.140 the Bible calls us to do. However, there are practical reasons why our sexual mores have

00:44:18.540 been constructed the way that they are. We all know that the cost of sex for women is much higher.

00:44:28.940 That is as obvious as anything in the world. Men, in theory, could have sex with a woman,

00:44:36.380 walk away tomorrow and never have any direct ill consequences for that sex women obviously not the

00:44:45.880 case first emotionally far more damaging for women women who have more sexual partners always uh you

00:44:54.160 know report a lower satisfaction of emotional health marital you know satisfaction all of these

00:45:00.000 things, emotional health, everything involved. Also, just physically, if a woman gets pregnant,

00:45:07.640 obviously the cost becomes very high. You've now taken at the very least 18 years of that woman's

00:45:12.700 life when it comes to labor and taking care of the child, along with all the emotional and physical

00:45:18.080 and everything else that's involved there. And so because the cost is so wildly disproportionate,

00:45:24.660 most civilizations and certainly Christian civilizations throughout all of humanity

00:45:28.820 have found ways to restrict that interaction, to create some kind of duty-bound form

00:45:34.880 that keeps men and women from having sex without some kind of consequence or connection.

00:45:43.680 You know, in previous civilizations, obviously, you had marriage that was critical in most of

00:45:50.880 these, and that's what bound people together. If you lived in these small communities, if you lived

00:45:57.100 in tribes or villages or even you know small cities everyone knew each other so if you were

00:46:03.460 a guy who got a girl pregnant you were expected to marry her and take care of her and if you didn't

00:46:09.380 you would face very serious sexual or rather social uh condemnation for that action in general

00:46:17.000 not always but most of the time and so that was a very big uh way to enforce that we had a lot of

00:46:24.920 situations you know a lot of people assume that in previous uh scenarios you know previous uh times

00:46:30.540 there was just less premarital sex but that's not true there's plenty of premarital sex in a lot of

00:46:35.280 these societies the thing was if the guy got the world when pregnant they got married like shotgun

00:46:41.800 weddings were much more common at that time because there was an expectation because there

00:46:46.880 was no other way for a woman to be taken care of there was no welfare there's no regular police

00:46:51.280 forced to protect her physically there's no you know snap or you know food stamps or anything

00:46:56.800 like she just didn't have money had a hard time working couldn't protect herself you had to attach

00:47:02.820 a woman to a man especially when she had a baby that was just the reality for human survival

00:47:07.180 that was just how the anthropology worked and on the female side there was a high degree

00:47:13.880 a very high degree of shame that came if you were caught having sex out kind of marriage especially

00:47:20.940 if you had a child outside of marriage there were very mean names that you were called there were

00:47:26.400 serious punishments uh you obviously had all of the uh negative aspects of just having an out of

00:47:33.160 wedlock birth but then you know your your child was considered illegitimate they often could not

00:47:37.980 be an heir to the man who had sired them they could not receive proper place or they would not

00:47:44.200 receive uh the inheritance from that person because they were not conceived in a legitimate

00:47:48.820 manner. So there was high degrees of social stigma, lots of religious boundaries, lots of

00:47:57.780 financial and physical requirements. All of these things kept sexuality in a very specific contained

00:48:04.620 area because we understood that it was critical to do so. Now also it's sacred and it's better

00:48:11.000 for you emotionally, it's better for you physically, it's better for you spiritually, it follows God's

00:48:15.440 law, there's lots of other moral reasons, but just in the most practical sense, we all understood

00:48:20.660 what that transaction was. And because of that transaction, there was also duties, right? The

00:48:28.800 man had a very serious duty to the woman that he impregnated. He had to take care of her. He had to

00:48:35.480 feed and clothe. He had to provide. He had to protect. And if he failed to do those things,

00:48:41.340 he was a bad person. There would be social censure. You'd be run out of town. Some woman's

00:48:48.360 male cousins are all going to gang up and beat you if you are a deadbeat. That's how this stuff

00:48:56.600 got resolved. And it worked for a very long time. And women had a duty too. This is the really

00:49:02.740 important part. This is the part that they're trying to destroy. Women had a duty. They had

00:49:09.100 a duty to their husbands. They were expected to be good wives. The Bible obviously outlines

00:49:17.100 very clearly many duties that women had when many of the positive traits that you should look for

00:49:22.320 in a woman. But now women want all of these things without any of the duties. Because in modernity,

00:49:31.400 we made a huge shift. We introduced things like the welfare state, you know, large state police

00:49:37.780 forces all of these things that make it more viable for women to live on their own we created

00:49:44.460 a scenario where uh you know the pill and abortion meant that women could largely avoid

00:49:51.000 the consequences at least the direct physical and uh economic consequences of premarital sex

00:49:58.900 without making any commitment to the man shouldn't have to turn around and marry the man she had sex

00:50:03.140 with because they got pregnant she could just get an abortion or she could take the pill to ensure

00:50:07.000 maybe mostly kind of that she wouldn't get pregnant in the first place and so we had all

00:50:12.520 this technology that came in both so you know socially and uh and in the medical realm that

00:50:19.620 freed women from a lot of the consequences of premital sex and to be very clear also freed the

00:50:24.500 men it's not like the men were sad to suddenly be able to have a lot of sex with women they didn't

00:50:28.820 have to marry because the woman's on the pill or she worst case scenario if things really went

00:50:33.340 sideways she could always get an abortion and get rid of the problem right

00:50:35.960 there's a lot of deep moral issues with that decision of course but the point is

00:50:41.160 that was there and that kind of backstopped the whole sexual revolution that consequences could

00:50:46.640 be avoided but after running this experiment for decades and decades and decades what we're

00:50:52.120 finding is actually the consequences go well beyond the physical or the economic the consequences of

00:50:59.520 just having a bunch of sex or whatever kind of sex you want with many people or partners whatever

00:51:04.120 situation you're in it turns out that that has a really high consequence that's why a lot of women

00:51:08.980 really hate the discussion about body count because it hits them really hard society defended

00:51:16.240 female virginity much strong in a much stronger way than men you can call that patriarchy you can

00:51:21.600 call that sexist whatever it's also correct because it turns out that the consequences for women was

00:51:27.640 much higher and so their sexual value is much higher when they have fewer partners women don't

00:51:33.600 like that. They don't like that there is a consequence to their behavior. And so they're

00:51:38.480 looking to get rid of the consequences for that behavior. De-stigmatize the body count.

00:51:45.100 But in the process, they're also creating a scenario where they feel worthless because

00:51:50.220 they're making themselves worthless. But they don't know why they're worthless because they

00:51:53.980 believe that it's impossible for you to lose your worth because you made these bad decisions.

00:51:58.980 They don't think there could be any consequence attached. There's nothing they owe anybody.

00:52:02.760 they don't owe their future husband a you know a gift of virginity or a lower you know count of

00:52:10.820 sexual partners they don't owe any loyalty to the man once they're married you know you could always

00:52:16.160 just get a divorce or whatever and take out the stuff it's just a consequence free life you should

00:52:21.500 be able to walk in and out of relationships in and out of social situations in and out of sexual

00:52:26.040 decisions without any consequence and again there's plenty of men who are more than fine

00:52:31.440 with this like there's plenty of guys who are enabling us again all seven guys in this did

00:52:35.960 something wrong from the two guys who started the whole thing to the guys who rolled in after

00:52:40.800 everyone did something immoral but we can only look to what was immoral about the situation if

00:52:46.780 we understand more than consent is involved that sex is an implicit commitment that when you take

00:52:54.800 something physically from a woman you owe her something and that when you give that to a man

00:53:00.260 you're saying something about your duty to him as well. And that's what everybody wants to avoid.

00:53:06.540 Nobody wants to make the commitment. Nobody wants the duty. Nobody wants the responsibility.

00:53:13.120 And nobody wants to give authority to themselves or authority over themselves to someone else.

00:53:20.080 But that's what sex is supposed to be. Sex is supposed to be something that is very weighty,

00:53:27.040 that really matters that has real consequences and in order to engage in this behavior that has

00:53:34.860 a high degree of consequence you must have some duties to each other the woman must owe something

00:53:42.400 to the man and the man must owe something to the woman and so it's adorable to watch these people

00:53:47.920 act like they just discovered that consent is not enough and that you might need more it's again

00:53:53.100 hilarious to watch them pretend that they've discovered Atlantis because they figured this

00:53:56.840 out. But it's going to be really fun watching them try to do any of this without Christianity,

00:54:02.920 without traditional sexual norms, without traditional gender roles. Because it turns

00:54:08.400 out all that stuff is connected. We weren't just keeping women barefoot in the kitchen

00:54:12.700 for no reason. We weren't just restricting sexuality between men and women for no reason.

00:54:21.100 We weren't just holding men to a higher standard of duty to their wives for no reason.

00:54:26.580 It turns out that all of that stuff is critical to the functioning of society,

00:54:30.460 and not just in the most practical sense, but in the emotional and spiritual realm.

00:54:35.080 Men feel less connected than ever, even though theoretically they have the ability to sleep with near-infinite women.

00:54:42.620 Women feel more miserable than ever and disconnected and devalued,

00:54:46.380 even though all the restrictions from their behavior have functionally been removed.

00:54:49.700 and so now we're hitting this like weird scenario where the only thing left for women to ask

00:54:56.100 for is the final removal of the consequences of their own actions to be rescued from their own

00:55:02.760 agency but in order to do that you have to turn authority over to someone and that's an anathema

00:55:09.300 to the entire belief system of our current society so this entire thing is unsolvable

00:55:14.420 without going back to the transcendent ground of christian truth and that's the one thing these

00:55:18.720 people will never do. All right, let's head over to the questions of the people here real quick.

00:55:27.960 Brim Zwingle says, all the people I knew carrying water from Clancy were saying how bad men were in

00:55:33.860 this case, so I knew the story was bunked. Yeah, again, very obvious, again, especially after we've

00:55:40.140 seen the text of kind of what the state of play is here. Again, people did something wrong, but

00:55:47.340 they didn't do anything illegal even the author has to admit that and that's you know the crux of

00:55:52.300 this thing the legal conversation should be over but then we have to have the conversation after

00:55:57.500 and i think that's the far more interesting one sean wyland said universities want to eliminate

00:56:03.060 greek fraternities yes of course that's why certainly why i stopped to point that out

00:56:07.300 obviously this is going to be leveraged to once again try to ban fraternities because we have to

00:56:11.600 get the only thing where men can group together and you know kind of have that camaraderie now

00:56:16.720 Again, this is not good behavior by the men.

00:56:18.920 If this is what your frat is ultimately pushing,

00:56:21.100 you need to get away from that.

00:56:22.600 But fraternities need to be able to continue to exist.

00:56:25.320 Male-only spaces need to be able to exist.

00:56:27.180 They need to not be demonized.

00:56:28.840 And this is very clearly the agenda here.

00:56:35.100 Oh, I think you just sent the same one twice.

00:56:38.100 Yep.

00:56:38.520 Or no.

00:56:39.140 Universities loathe any space where men can organize.

00:56:41.500 Yes, exactly correct.

00:56:42.540 uh mart gates says uh orin why do you defend what lomes is doing in jerusalem he's there

00:56:52.060 helping arm hazoni and other israeli figures uh out strategy figure out strategies for recapturing

00:56:58.380 the american public he isn't over there to help americans uh and america uh so a few things here

00:57:04.640 Uh, one, um, I know Lomas personally, uh, you know, Jonathan is a friend. Um, I admired his

00:57:12.540 work for a very long time. Uh, we don't agree on everything. I don't agree with anyone on

00:57:17.220 everything. Uh, but first I'm going to defend Jonathan for the very simple reason that he's

00:57:21.660 my friend. Uh, number two, uh, there is a real question about the wisdom of holding this

00:57:27.420 conference in jerusalem at this time i will give you that uh that said natcon has occurred in many

00:57:35.200 places including i believe the uk and i think uh hungary or poland and so holding natcon in places

00:57:43.720 that aren't america is not new and just because they hold a natcon in a foreign country doesn't

00:57:49.140 mean that country is then strategy guys strategizing against america i don't think we're

00:57:52.900 saying that, you know, Hungary or the UK was strategizing against America when they held a

00:57:59.660 NatCon. So I'm not sure the location itself is an indictment, though I agree that the optics don't

00:58:06.640 look great. There is a, I believe, a US NatCon happening in January. And so we'll see how that

00:58:14.860 goes uh third uh i have spoken at natcon uh as have many people who desperately disagree with

00:58:22.820 our current israeli relationship who have real concern about israeli influence in the united

00:58:26.960 states um i'm trying to remember the anti-war guy who had the debate uh his name will probably come

00:58:32.780 to me eventually uh but you know he uh he had a knockdown drag out at uh natcon uh last year

00:58:40.180 and then there's been plenty of other voices

00:58:43.080 including my own who are

00:58:44.800 skeptical of Israel

00:58:46.700 at NatCon

00:58:48.020 so as far as I understand

00:58:50.060 NatCon is a place where you can have those conversations

00:58:52.940 and needs to have those conversations

00:58:55.000 and the very last part of this

00:58:57.000 that I'll just say is Jonathan said

00:58:59.060 nothing but true things

00:59:00.800 when it came to his discussion

00:59:03.160 one of the reasons he's in trouble right now

00:59:04.920 he literally just had Ted Cruz denounce him

00:59:07.140 as a holocaust denier

00:59:08.220 like that's where we're at right now

00:59:10.180 So Jonathan, if you missed it, went up and said, hey, you know, young people are tired of being told like the Holocaust is the only morally relevant event.

00:59:19.400 You know, they respond much better to you guys if you talked about your strength and what you could bring to the table rather than just running around and playing the victim and saying, ultimately, you have to do whatever we say because the Holocaust happened.

00:59:31.900 That's a that's a brave thing to say in Israel.

00:59:35.440 that's a brave thing to say at NatCon in general

00:59:37.800 but that's a pretty brave thing to say

00:59:39.380 in the country of Israel

00:59:40.760 so yeah I'm going to defend that

00:59:43.220 sorry right now

00:59:45.120 he's taking way more heat from

00:59:47.640 not just progressive you know Jewish

00:59:49.700 people but the normal you know

00:59:51.640 Ted Cruz, Joel Berry, Eric Erickson

00:59:53.540 type crowd and yeah

00:59:55.600 I'm going to stand behind him on that

00:59:57.200 I'm not angry that anyone

00:59:59.640 would be skeptical about what's going on in NatCon

01:00:01.740 I approach NatCon with

01:00:03.720 some skepticism to be honest

01:00:05.440 Uh, I do have concerns about narratives being shaped about the frame. Uh, the fact that guys

01:00:11.740 like Peter Brimelow, who has been on this channel, uh, are apparently not allowed at NatCon are not

01:00:16.680 invited. That's a problem. Like that's a really serious problem. And guys like Yoram Hozoni

01:00:20.560 should address that. Uh, but that's not Jonathan. He didn't make those decisions.

01:00:25.120 And I think it's better to have those voices heard than not guys like him and William Wolf

01:00:29.900 caught a lot of flack. Uh, you know, Matt Peterson, I'm friends with all of these people

01:00:34.340 and they all got up and they all said look

01:00:36.480 Israeli relationship with America is going to change

01:00:38.740 we're going to have these conversations

01:00:40.460 you got to stop using the holocaust as a bludgeon

01:00:42.740 you have to stop running around

01:00:44.600 and saying that America owes you

01:00:46.520 something or that the bible tells you to

01:00:48.760 follow Israel to the end of the earth

01:00:50.580 like all of these guys are catching

01:00:52.640 super like a large amount of heat

01:00:54.540 right now for saying this stuff so am I going

01:00:56.600 to suddenly pile on them from the other direction

01:00:58.600 to prove my purity and hurt my friends

01:01:00.480 no I'm not if you have a problem

01:01:02.540 with that well move on

01:01:04.340 cyber chud said 10 years ago ongoing uh enthusiastic verbal consent was the brand

01:01:11.840 new and absurd standard for consent that activists in uh insisted would solve all this surprise it's

01:01:18.160 not enough and they need more yeah great point uh you know the the weird strange new standard

01:01:24.640 that came out after the whole mattress girl thing was that one time consent was not enough saying

01:01:30.100 yes let's have sex is not enough but woman has you have to stop at every step okay we're kissing

01:01:36.000 now i'm touching this now we're moving to that at every time they need to you have to stop ask

01:01:40.700 for consent make sure it's an enthusiastic consent and then we'll solve the issue but in this piece

01:01:45.220 she says directly that obviously doesn't work you so there is literally no way that a woman can

01:01:50.520 consent that's what they're saying a woman cannot consent that that that's really the assertion

01:01:56.640 here uh so yeah obviously something incredibly broken and fundamental at the core of this

01:02:01.160 uh sean wyland says liberals want freedom without responsibility uh yes obviously true and but but

01:02:08.800 very specifically the the females here that that is the dynamic that has to be addressed liberals

01:02:14.300 do want that in general you're right but we are getting pretty direct uh calls here that it is

01:02:19.300 specifically men who are always responsible but have no authority and as always women who are

01:02:23.500 totally free and it's genetic but take no responsibility for what's happening

01:02:27.120 uh sean says uh ether villar manipulated man i'm assuming that's a book reference you often have

01:02:36.980 a deep knowledge of books that people should be reading and i think that might be a book at the

01:02:41.300 hard to tell from here uh but if if it is thank you for the suggestion uh belgians are vi are evil

01:02:49.860 trust me can you speak about the maximum room feminism gives to either ignore uk gangsters

01:02:55.500 or overly zealous about college uh he said she said cases yeah i mean that's another great point

01:03:02.440 right is that in the uk obviously we had ongoing rape gangs for a very long time and not only did

01:03:09.960 feminists not stand up against it not only was there not some crusade by women to stop the rape

01:03:15.840 uh it there was feminist activists out there saying we welcome the rapists we welcome the

01:03:22.060 men who are coming to rape us right like we're here for the immigrants we need to defend them

01:03:26.060 these evil racists are trying to stop them from coming over don't you know these people are just

01:03:29.920 victims don't you know they're just as british as you and me and so yeah it's very clear that

01:03:34.280 feminism is in no way you know in many ways feminism as always is about hating white men

01:03:40.060 first right the problem with college men in a fraternity is they're largely white and so

01:03:45.640 immigrant men can do all the raping they want and they need to be offended while if a white guy

01:03:50.120 engages in his consensual act with you know in a fraternity he's all all of a sudden like an evil

01:03:55.660 demon who has to be purged so that's very clearly the context as uh you know i think sean had already

01:04:01.340 said they want to purge greek fraternities from college campuses that's the goal everything else

01:04:07.720 the feminism the victimhood that's all just window dressing the real stuff is is anti-white anti-male

01:04:15.640 and belgian also says please get helen andrews a great feminization on i would love to helen

01:04:21.960 doesn't follow me on twitter i've uh i've requested you know i've gotten to her mentions and said

01:04:26.180 you know please connect with me so i can get you booked if anyone can put me in contact with helen

01:04:30.520 andrews i would absolutely love to talk to her fascinating uh definitely definitely one of our

01:04:35.540 strongest autists you have to appreciate a woman who's so autistic that she'll say all the things

01:04:39.440 that women don't want to hear uh very impressive so if anyone can make that happen by all means i

01:04:44.120 would absolutely love to have her on all right guys well thank you so much for coming by it's

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - October 09, 2026

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