The Auron MacIntyre Show - Why the GOP Is Attacking Young White Men ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 10⧸2⧸26

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00:00:27.980 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:29.320 thanks for joining me this afternoon i've got a great stream with a great guest that i think

00:00:32.900 you're really going to enjoy so the gop was already facing some pretty contentious midterms

00:00:38.720 obviously the incumbent party is already in an uphill battle when it comes to midterm elections

00:00:43.480 we know what's going on with the war in iran affordability epstein disclosures all kinds of

00:00:49.380 things that were really making it difficult for the gop to connect with its base and get its most

00:00:54.580 reliable voters to turn out. But there's good news because ultimately the GOP had made great

00:00:59.660 gains in the last election under Trump with young white men. They actually started showing up. They

00:01:05.640 started to become a dedicated voting base. It seemed like after the Democrats basically doing

00:01:10.700 nothing but trashing young white men endlessly, you were starting to see even Hispanic young men

00:01:16.440 start to come over to the GOP. And what an incredible boon that would have been in any

00:01:20.880 given election, especially when you're struggling for turnout. Well, don't worry because conservatives

00:01:26.420 have decided to rescue even that one advantage from the jaws of victory and return directly back

00:01:32.540 to defeat because we are now seeing consistent attacks on young white men from establishment

00:01:38.340 GOP figures. Now, it's not everyone in the GOP. It's like Donald Trump is going out and directly

00:01:43.600 attacking white men, but we are seeing a shocking number of tone-deaf messaging from many people

00:01:49.080 inside the GOP, including Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who has put out one of the most ridiculous ads

00:01:54.620 I've ever seen. We're going to go over it in a second. Jay Burden, thank you so much for joining

00:01:58.300 me. Yeah, Aaron, thank you so much for having me on. As much as I hate having this conversation,

00:02:04.260 it seems like one of the lessons conservatives absolutely refuse to learn. We have to keep

00:02:09.420 having it. This is sort of a rake the conservative movement is determined to keep stepping on.

00:02:14.780 And so clearly this is an issue that, well, we need to teach them this lesson yet another time.

00:02:20.760 Yeah. And again, I want to reiterate, there are clearly people in the Republican Party who get it. We'll actually go over some of the better messaging from some Republicans.

00:02:31.740 But in general, it's clear that deep in the DNA of the conservative movement is this like just knee jerk reaction to the idea that white men would have any kind of issues, that there would ever be something facing them, that they might have some legitimate points about what is happening in the United States and how it needs to be corrected.

00:02:54.280 and they always see these people as kind of the first target of any kind of messaging. It's okay

00:03:01.320 to dump on these people. It's okay to tell these people and only these people that they are solely

00:03:06.940 responsible for everything in the U.S. If there's anything going wrong, it's their fault. In many

00:03:12.520 ways, it's almost inseparable from Democratic messaging on this issue. So I want to go ahead

00:03:18.840 and play the ad in question

00:03:21.620 because obviously this is what kicked off the entire debate.

00:03:25.060 Let me bring that up here real quick.

00:03:30.400 All right, so here's the Sarah Huckabee Sanders ad.

00:03:34.120 Yeah, you want some of this?

00:03:36.020 Come on.

00:03:37.000 Meet Brad.

00:03:37.960 Brad has turned relaxing into a full-time profession.

00:03:42.220 But you, you actually work hard.

00:03:45.160 You pay taxes to cover welfare for guys like Brad

00:03:48.200 who just choose not to work.

00:03:50.960 That's why I launched a welfare-to-work requirement.

00:03:54.880 Almost there.

00:03:56.160 Now, more Arkansans are working than ever before.

00:04:01.140 Even Brad.

00:04:05.000 So, the saddest part about this is, of course,

00:04:09.140 the policy itself is fine.

00:04:11.660 It's a good policy.

00:04:13.060 We want fewer people on welfare.

00:04:14.900 We want more people who are ultimately working, and we want to encourage people to, if they want to get any kind of assistance, that they have to actively be searching for jobs, these kind of things.

00:04:24.840 That makes sense.

00:04:26.340 Obviously, the issue involved here is Brad does not look like the average welfare recipient, not even close.

00:04:34.040 White people are much less likely than other minorities except for Asians to be on any form of welfare.

00:04:41.660 White men are even less likely. And young white men, I think it drops to something like 1.5% or 2% of the entire welfare system goes to men in Brad's demographic. So if you're going to choose literally anyone at all to portray this, obviously it would not be Brad.

00:05:00.620 And yet Sarah Huckabee Sanders feels that this has to be the person that she portrays as a welfare queen.

00:05:07.920 And not only that, when people pointed out the demographic realities and how ridiculous it was, she pretended to not understand the question.

00:05:15.220 It was literally that, you know, millennial woes tweet of leftists pretend not to understand what's going on, thereby making discourse impossible.

00:05:22.060 She doubled down and pretend like the only thing people were actually taking any kind of umbrage with was the policy itself.

00:05:30.120 We saw the same thing from Joel Berry and the same clown car that drives through Twitter on a regular basis, right?

00:05:35.640 It's, oh, well, I can't believe you guys are opposing welfare reform, as if that was the issue literally anyone on the right was pointing out with this ad.

00:05:44.300 So these people are liars.

00:05:45.760 They are intentionally avoiding the issue because they're cowards.

00:05:49.020 But it's incredible that even at this point, not only is the GOP portraying white men as welfare queens, it's like an ADT ad, right?

00:05:59.520 It's like a security system ad where the robber is always a 35-year-old male model who's white.

00:06:06.380 But ultimately, not only are they making that mistake, but even when it's pointed out to them, they act as if somehow white men are entitled.

00:06:15.140 Like they have some kind of deep, weird fixation for noticing the fact that they are being made the villains for everything in the society, even by the people who theoretically are supposed to be their political party.

00:06:26.520 who are supposed to be defending them, who they were rallying around as a new supportive base.

00:06:31.920 Yeah, it's kind of a stupid example, but I think of something like Law & Order SVU,

00:06:36.800 where on that show, you will see more white sex offenders than there have been in the history of

00:06:43.560 America, right? It is sort of the default assumption. And we understand why. Many other

00:06:48.500 groups have organized interest pressure groups, which exist to go after negative portrayals of

00:06:55.020 that group. Look at the ADL, the NAACP, dozens of different versions of this. So on one level,

00:07:01.100 you could just assume, oh, this was the safe choice, right? This is the way you can express

00:07:06.040 this idea without making anyone get mad at me, which is sort of revealing in and of itself.

00:07:12.820 But secondarily, this is an idea that many people actually do believe. They believe that young men,

00:07:18.900 particularly young white men, are just stupid and lazy. They haven't figured out how to pull

00:07:24.060 themselves up by their bootstraps. They're playing video games at home with mom while

00:07:28.160 she makes them chicken tendons. And if they could just find a factory, walk in, shake

00:07:33.080 the manager's hand, they too could be contributing members of society. As you've said, this is

00:07:38.760 far from reality. Obviously, white men under 30 are quite literally the least welfare-using

00:07:45.900 demographic in the nation. And okay, 1.5%, what could that be? Sure, are there people

00:07:52.900 there defrauding the system, 100%, but also invalids get welfare. So we're at a point where

00:07:59.920 it is so clearly not a problem that it was an active choice, right? It's not as if there was

00:08:05.640 a dartboard with representative slices representing welfare fraud, and it just happened to land on

00:08:11.640 breath, right? In a broader sense, this reflects an issue with the conservative movement where

00:08:17.600 they are seemingly antagonizing young white guys for basically no reason. Look, the conservatives

00:08:24.540 didn't win the young white male demographic as much as the Democrats lost it. That is much more

00:08:31.200 what happened. And any policies that were seen to benefit my demographic were more incidental than

00:08:37.640 they were desired end goals. For instance, you see this in job numbers. The vast majority of

00:08:44.380 new jobs created have gone to, well, to be blunt, foreigners and women. This is a group of Americans

00:08:50.920 who are hurting. And I know in my immediate peer group, the number of guys who are unemployed or

00:08:56.680 underemployed is very high. You have guys who have marketable college degrees, the sort of

00:09:03.280 things that you're supposed to do to buy your way into the middle or upper middle class who are

00:09:08.860 working in food service. These aren't guys who are living with their parents. They're trying to

00:09:14.040 make ends meet, but it's very, very difficult because of, well, certain policies about hiring

00:09:19.540 and fire, right? We understand that. And in this discussion, one of the things that have come up

00:09:25.300 is this sort of attitude of, well, we don't need them, right? We don't need the under 30 white

00:09:31.500 male demographic because they're very small. The number I heard was about 4.9%, which is sort of

00:09:37.700 worrying, right? If we're talking about the future of the nation, considering that is the demographic

00:09:41.940 that i don't know built the nation and holds it together to this day but also conservatives love

00:09:49.760 nothing more than to cater to ultra minority groups you may have seen the hindu jewish council

00:09:56.880 recently had an event both hindus and jews are minorities smaller than young white men in

00:10:03.800 america so seemingly the raw percentage isn't a determinant factor the old joke of course is

00:10:09.660 what do you call a black guy at the RNC? Mr. Chairman. And okay, we can chuckle, we can guffaw

00:10:15.460 about that, but it describes something very real. Fundamentally, the GOP, the conservative movement

00:10:20.840 has no issue with identity politics. What they really want is to have the same sort of patronage

00:10:27.940 relationship the Democrats do. They want to be a representative of all of these different disparate

00:10:34.260 minority groups. And they will spite a group they currently have, a group that shows up for them,

00:10:40.340 at the possible chance, at the whiff of getting a marginal percent more with some other group.

00:10:47.940 And the deep irony of this is that when was the Republican Party most popular with these minority

00:10:53.740 groups? Well, it's when they're trying the least. It's not winsome Earl Sears that wins you the

00:10:59.140 black vote. It's figures like early Donald Trump. When was he most popular with young white men?

00:11:05.280 The first hundred days. When was he plus two or 3% above water with young women?

00:11:14.180 It was those first hundred days. It was when he was doing all the things that the traditional

00:11:18.720 conservative thinkers were very upset about. And when he tacked more towards them, did they

00:11:23.900 magically gain a plurality of minority votes no not only did they alienate their core demographic

00:11:30.540 but they alienated those people they seem so desirous of court okay so this is a super important

00:11:36.500 point i'm very glad you brought that up so to bolster it even further when was the gop most

00:11:42.440 popular with young hispanic men when they were promising mass deportations people back a strong

00:11:49.880 force people select the candidate that seems strong they don't select candidate that only

00:11:57.500 says the things they want them to say they say the candidate they select candidate that ultimately

00:12:03.200 seems like they have a real substantive plan that they have a direction they have a confidence

00:12:07.240 leadership like these things drive actual adoption and so in their weak mewling like just

00:12:15.200 catamite behavior towards minorities the GOP has made themselves as unappealing to those groups

00:12:22.300 as possible and even if you wanted them as some kind of holy writ it's just not workable but you

00:12:27.820 shouldn't want that either you know my friend Steve Dace not exactly a right-wing radical by most

00:12:32.940 markers has you know always says you know this is the brothers be flipping strategy right like we

00:12:38.000 were always pretending that we're one cycle away from winning the black vote when if we just won

00:12:43.340 four percent more of the white vote you'd be unstoppable right like if four percent five

00:12:48.360 percent of the white vote is way more valuable than any minority because despite the best explicit

00:12:52.800 efforts of the left white people are still the majority in the united states so winning small

00:12:58.140 incremental wins with the white uh vote is much better than getting any percentage of other

00:13:04.660 minorities so even just electoral math wise it makes no sense now there's a couple factors at

00:13:10.060 play here that are just fascinating one is obviously the reason that a lot of boomers and

00:13:18.400 you know kind of containment right figures love this ad is it was meant for them right guys like

00:13:25.080 joel berry james lindsey eric erickson hate young white men like they despise them they think that

00:13:30.780 they are vile they think they're trash they want to see them like basically rubbed out of the

00:13:35.560 movement you know guys like rod drear are constantly warning that there are these very dangerous you

00:13:40.280 know young men entering into the movement we're going to talk about that more by the way in just

00:13:44.600 a second and that they have to be purged from the movement like these people loathe loathe the idea

00:13:52.400 of young white men actually doing anything and so they love this ad because there is this weird and

00:13:58.920 deep obsession with just hating the next generation inside the conservative movement like you know

00:14:04.540 We'll also get to your conservative Samson option, but there is really a clear desire to burn down the conservative movement rather than to hand it to the next generation that might have different priorities when it comes to conservatism might actually consider conserving something like there is a that that that kind of just like pathology is deeply seeded into all aspects of the conservative movement.

00:14:28.280 but also there is this obvious as you say obsession with wanting to win minorities just as any other

00:14:36.620 progressive group wants to and so you have this full embrace by the same people you know they

00:14:43.720 tell you we don't want identity politics we oppose identity politics we're against identity politics

00:14:48.680 of any kind and they say this as you say from from the pulpit of the you know the the hindu

00:14:56.520 jewish uh council alliance meeting at mar-a-lago right like it's obvious that these people embrace

00:15:02.960 and court explicit racial uh you know and ethnic lobbies inside the conservative movement they

00:15:10.000 celebrate them they have special meetings for them they uh you know promote them at every turn

00:15:15.620 because they love identity politics conservatives love identity politics and i don't just mean

00:15:21.980 for israel i mean across the board they love identity politics they can't stop obsessing

00:15:27.180 about them and we can see that right here here is kevin mccarthy a man who was once a big leader

00:15:33.500 inside the uh inside the republican party here is him talking about why he's embarrassed about

00:15:40.940 the way the republican party looks i look over at the democrats and they stand up they look like

00:15:45.740 America. We stand up, we look like the most restrictive country club in America. And I

00:15:52.980 decide then either I am going to be the leader of a declining end of a party, or I have to change

00:15:59.920 the opportunity in this party. So I embrace in something else, okay? Since that time, we've

00:16:06.920 elected the most women, Republicans, the most minority Republicans ever to the House. But to do

00:16:13.080 so i'm gonna have to ruffle feathers so for republican woman or republican minority to win

00:16:18.780 the november election is not their tough election it's the primary so what i do is i would engage in

00:16:25.340 primaries and i so there you have it we're not hiding the ball here there is a explicit effort

00:16:33.800 inside the gop to purge white men from the party we don't want men we don't want white people he

00:16:40.940 said that very explicitly so i am going into primaries and i am specifically manipulating

00:16:46.780 primaries to ensure that minority and female candidates are the ones that win like you cannot

00:16:54.180 be more clear that is the goal of the gop what is the gop for it's for replacing white men with

00:17:02.820 minorities and women i i don't know what else to tell you like this this is the mission of the

00:17:10.620 party at this point. And so I think a lot of people who really don't want the Democrats to

00:17:17.120 win genuinely do not want the left to be in charge. I know you're in a state that is currently

00:17:21.920 undergoing a leftist revolution because Democrats came into power. So you of all people know the

00:17:27.160 direct consequences of this. But when you have the GOP going out of the way to demoralize their

00:17:32.360 core voting base at every turn, then I'm not, you know, obviously I'm never going to tell anyone

00:17:38.200 vote for a democrat i'm going to tell them yeah go out there try to stop democrats from being in

00:17:42.180 charge but i can't be surprised i'm not going to be shocked when people don't turn out for a party

00:17:48.400 that is going out of its way to say yes we don't want you here you are below like trash to us and

00:17:54.840 we really want to replace you with literally anyone else because we are embarrassed that you

00:17:58.660 are our supporters like that would just never democrats you know a lot of people say well

00:18:03.480 democrats would never vote for republicans to punish the party and that's true and it's why

00:18:07.520 it's stupid for you to do so. But you know what else Democrats would never do? They would never

00:18:10.920 go out and insult their core voter bases. They're not going to go out and insult young Black men

00:18:17.000 right before an election. You'd never see Democrats do that. But that's exactly what

00:18:21.280 Republicans are doing. It's insane. 100%. Look, I've been reliably informed by August

00:18:28.200 thinkers on both the right and the left that, well, the Great Replacement is a conspiracy

00:18:32.720 theory. Some sort of top-down directive to transform the demographics of this nation or

00:18:38.480 its political structures is just crackpot tinfoil hat thinking. But then Republican leadership says

00:18:45.180 it, and suddenly it's okay? Suddenly it's okay to put your thumb on the scale to distort demographics?

00:18:51.880 I thought that's why we were voting for you guys, to stop that, wasn't it? Is that naive of me to

00:18:59.040 assume that when you're talking about restricting immigration that that meant, I don't know,

00:19:02.720 preserving some sort of demographic security? Well, apparently, apparently I was just stupid

00:19:07.820 for doing that. And so much of this is packaged in this sort of condescending tone. Now that

00:19:14.320 McCarthy clip, he's sort of speaking inside the club, so to speak. But if you look at what Huckabee

00:19:19.040 Sanders said, if you looked at what figures like Rod Dreher, Eric Erickson, what they have said

00:19:23.480 is they explicitly view these young men as a threat, more of a threat ostensibly than the

00:19:30.840 woke left these guys made their bones screeching about. Then the woke left that just four or five

00:19:36.160 years ago was apparently on the precipice of ending civilization. Now, I don't like the woke

00:19:41.240 left. And because I don't like them, I think they're way bigger of a problem than young guys

00:19:47.640 saying edgy things in a group chat. That idea flows. But these guys seemingly take more glee

00:19:55.080 in doing their own sort of houseclean of purging, something that has happened in the conservative

00:20:00.560 movement roughly every 10 years for longer than I've been alive. The circular firing squad where

00:20:06.420 first we went after paleoconservatives, then we went after the alt-right. Now we're going after

00:20:11.780 Groypers. It's the same thing over and over and over again. There's never this sort of vitriol

00:20:17.180 towards liberal Republicans, towards Republicans who support gay marriage, towards Republicans who

00:20:22.640 support demographically engineering the face of the party. That's a difference of opinion.

00:20:27.740 that's entirely legitimate we have to agree to disagree we may even make instrumental arguments

00:20:33.940 about well he's from massachusetts he has to say that but if you're to the right of them even an

00:20:39.720 inch if you have different priorities different top line values about what the purpose of this

00:20:44.900 nation is or who your political party ought to serve they'll throw you to the wolves in an instant

00:20:50.740 they love doing it seemingly well and it's incredible because you know we hear constantly

00:20:58.080 from these people that oh these guys who care about you know the demographics of the country

00:21:05.440 who think that it matters if they get to pass the country on to their children who care whether

00:21:09.640 we're building mosques and hindu temples in the middle of the town square these guys are just

00:21:14.940 losers sitting at home you know eating the cheese balls you know on on welfare you know they've

00:21:20.740 constructed even though you know the statistics show it's like one percent of people on welfare

00:21:25.520 they have constructed this entire world where this is what all these people do but simultaneously as

00:21:32.020 you say you have guys like eric erickson and rod drear running around sounding an alarm the

00:21:37.400 gropers are coming the gropers are coming we have to purge them out of our institutions they're

00:21:41.420 taking over the heritage foundation they're taking over claremont they're taking over your state gop

00:21:46.500 so obviously again these guys are liars and losers like they know they're losing they know they're

00:21:53.120 losing they know that anyone under 40 thinks they are at best a joke and at worst traitors to the

00:21:59.220 country like they look at these people with just disgust right and so they know they've lost anyone

00:22:06.320 under 40 when you talk to these you know when rob jared thinks says i think you know like 40 percent

00:22:11.700 of the people watching in dc working young men are groipers he just means people who have opinions

00:22:17.120 that aren't mine right like he doesn't actually think they're all watching nick fuentes he just

00:22:21.040 believes anybody who says you know maybe we don't have to go for war to war with israel or you know

00:22:25.900 for israel on you know on this one like all of a sudden you know they're obviously a griper but

00:22:31.800 the amazing thing is that they have this cognitive dissonance where these people live in their

00:22:36.480 parents' basements, but also they're conquering the entirety of the GOP and all of its institutions.

00:22:42.020 So which one is it? And the obvious is like, actually, they're very scared of these people.

00:22:46.680 And we can see an example here. So this came out just today. This guy, Paul Joseph Tingle,

00:22:53.380 he worked in the Indiana Republican Party

00:22:58.780 and apparently he was taking a picture

00:23:01.940 and he made the okay sign

00:23:03.760 we all remember this insane

00:23:05.820 panic that occurred during the woke era

00:23:10.820 because the ADL and all these people

00:23:14.480 SPLC declared that the okay hand sign

00:23:17.940 was some form of white supremacy

00:23:20.020 and so they were running around and trying to cancel anyone

00:23:22.680 who used an okay sign so this is this is like an old meme at this point right like this this is

00:23:28.500 like uh you know working out as fascists and white you know milk is white supremacy like this is the

00:23:34.180 this is where we are right now this poor guy gets fired by the indiana republicans for making a hand

00:23:41.620 sign right absolutely did nothing wrong and got fired by these people and guess what yes the guy

00:23:48.720 who got him fired was a diversity american and so ultimately we have a scenario where now a young

00:23:56.040 white guy who's literally doing what people are always saying they should do oh you you want to

00:24:00.800 change something get out there and do the work join the republican party go get republicans

00:24:05.420 elected okay he did it he's a good soldier he's literally employed in the political operation but

00:24:12.800 that's exactly what they don't want right this is exactly what they do not want young men doing so

00:24:18.520 they need to be purged. Guys like this have to be fired for doing exactly what these people demand

00:24:24.440 that young people do, that they say young people won't do. Because there is no right answer for

00:24:29.120 people like Eric Erickson and Joel Berry and James Lindsay. There is no right answer. They just want

00:24:34.340 you to be gone. They just want you removed. They want you replaced. They have no interest in seeing

00:24:40.680 you actually have a family, actually have a job, actually go out there and work in Republican

00:24:46.380 politics walk the walk get people to vote for donald trump they don't want you to do that

00:24:52.540 they don't want you at all and this is very clear that's why they're taking his actions

00:24:57.480 and that's why i have a big problem because i've seen some people running around

00:25:00.760 and look i like michael knowles i think he's a good guy i think he has interesting things to say

00:25:05.240 but he was talking about how well because they use the white guy because you know they ultimately

00:25:10.780 had to because like everybody looks at him and they know that it's actually more likely to be

00:25:15.800 a black woman but you know in the minds of all the voters they're really seeing a black woman and

00:25:20.980 that's why and i just think that's trying to put lipstick on a pig i've seen other people say oh

00:25:25.240 well you know what did you want sarah huckabee sanders to do to put a black person in there

00:25:29.700 she'd just be called racist like what year are we in like where are we i thought we voted for trump

00:25:34.420 so we don't have to do this anymore first sarah huckabee sanders isn't in some super tight race

00:25:39.680 in the middle of a purple state she's the governor of arkansas she's not losing that race she didn't

00:25:44.820 need to run the ad but even if she is going to run the ad she could just show actual welfare

00:25:49.960 recipients doesn't need to need to be dramatized just show the thousands of videos online of people

00:25:56.340 using you know uh welfare to buy pineapple kool-aid you know stuff to make pineapple kool-aid

00:26:03.100 and sell it on social media uh you know this is very easy to do correctly you didn't have to do

00:26:10.660 this you chose to do this and that's why we have to stand on this okay you can't can't tell people

00:26:15.260 we'll just shut up because this is going to hurt the republicans right before the election

00:26:18.180 when they're literally using this to purge guys from the party when they're using this mentality

00:26:24.140 to literally purge white young men from the party like i'm sorry you can't just stand around and

00:26:29.820 tell people to shut up and take it on the chin yet again this anti-whiteness is ridiculous the

00:26:34.540 discrimination is insane the fact that they're canceling guys like paul for doing his job because

00:26:40.000 he made a hand sign that means nothing. Like we're some kind of feminist collective from 2009.

00:26:47.740 These people have lost their mind. They've lost the plot. I don't even know how to explain the

00:26:51.600 level of political malpractice going on here. Aaron, I've got a question for you. I'm not

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00:27:41.020 sounds it reminds me of someone i can't put my name on it but someone highly placed in the

00:27:46.500 government who may or may not have run interference for the political career of an israeli spy who

00:27:52.860 stole secrets from the united states i i don't know i i i'm reaching but i feel like there's

00:27:58.200 See, that's the thing. Because if you had made an ad attacking other people for living off the

00:28:05.520 taxpayer dole and for taking government money, not producing anything, not cutting their own path,

00:28:11.280 it would be really embarrassing if you, in fact, were basically a Nepo baby. If your entire

00:28:18.520 political career existed because you were a woman with the same last name as a guy who did something

00:28:24.040 that people remembered i just hypothetically speaking that would really undercut your point

00:28:28.900 just speaking hypothetically of course which is kind of funny because like actually i think you

00:28:33.540 and i are actually a bigger fan of nepotism than these people are ironically enough yeah right

00:28:37.700 right we actually are advocates for parents helping their children and you actually do

00:28:43.000 owe it to make sure your child makes it in the world like that's actually literally your job as

00:28:47.020 a parent not something to be ashamed of only boomers would have that kind of narrative but

00:28:51.180 yeah it is the the hypocrisy uh is uh just absolutely jaw-dropping in the scenario because

00:28:57.560 of course as you talk about you know the the ridiculous nature of people you know gleaning

00:29:05.460 from the system and not doing their part not create you yourself are obviously someone who's

00:29:10.000 you know never had a real job whose father never you know is is a famous politician uh and now

00:29:16.060 ambassador uh so just just incredible amount of shamelessness and again the unwillingness to

00:29:22.240 acknowledge what's going on here to in any way message uh or take any kind of responsibility

00:29:28.640 roll this back say hey i see your point like just just immediately pretending like you don't

00:29:33.660 understand so that you can pretend that people are opposing welfare reform instead of your anti-white

00:29:38.620 uh discrimination is truly insane and i i just i don't know man like it's it's almost impossible

00:29:45.460 to believe people are this stupid and so i'm i'm running into the position of malice right like

00:29:50.680 the hanlon's razor is just failing here like i'm sure they're dumb but but there is no like there

00:29:57.360 is no way that these people are ignorant enough to not be intentionally attacking young white men

00:30:03.480 at this point and it's impossible also not to notice that the anti you know like pro pro war

00:30:13.700 for israel anti jd vance and anti-white like venn diagram is just a circle it's just all the

00:30:21.860 same people they all have the same uniform belief that we don't any noticing of attacks on anti

00:30:28.880 any anti-white attacks on young men noticing that is heresy but at the same time we don't believe

00:30:37.040 in any identity politics by the way here's our next council on the you know the future of israeli

00:30:42.840 America and the relations. Like, it's just, it's becoming, you just can't even put words

00:30:48.800 to the level of frustration that young guys are having to go through as they watch this clown

00:30:53.600 show unfold. 100%. And I think that that frame of malice is an accurate one. I think that Trump

00:31:02.100 symbolically is perhaps more important than Trump as a man, at least conceptually, right? He

00:31:08.300 represented a sort of return to a different era of American politics. And I think for a lot of,

00:31:15.140 shall we say, legacy GOP types, there was obviously something scary about that.

00:31:20.980 The same Venn diagram you're describing, many of them were never Trumpers. Not all, of course,

00:31:27.100 but many of them early were denouncing the president as illegitimate, as disgraceful,

00:31:33.600 as a sort of black eye to the American Republic. And well, as he has tacked towards them,

00:31:42.200 how have his political fortunes failed? Interesting point to note. But also, I think it is vital for

00:31:47.560 the survival of that faction in American politics, that idea dies with Trump. That ends with him.

00:31:54.440 The idea that normal white Americans could get anything from politics whatsoever,

00:31:59.920 other than the promise of a four-year reprieve. And so what I see is it seems as if there is an

00:32:07.740 effort to deliberately sabotage the prospects of the GOP. And as we have seen in states like

00:32:14.880 Virginia and other sort of these special elections, where is the blame placed? Is the blame placed on

00:32:21.240 the men with the ear of power, the men who are getting what they want from the political system?

00:32:28.080 No, no, no, Aron.

00:32:29.820 It's you and me for being too extreme, for being too radical, for scaring the general

00:32:35.240 public.

00:32:35.960 You saw a great deal of this conversation come up around the Iran war.

00:32:40.020 The idea is no, no, no.

00:32:41.840 No one cares about the Iran war.

00:32:43.820 No one cares about high gas prices.

00:32:45.880 That's all indeterminate.

00:32:46.900 I ran a poll on Fox News where only 4% of people said the Iran war was their top line

00:32:51.860 issue.

00:32:52.720 Now, of course, do people care about the war or the effects of the war?

00:32:56.520 That's a huge thing.

00:32:57.520 But what happens? What do they do? They blame figures like Tucker Carlson for being anti-Semitic,

00:33:04.400 for being woke right. That is the designated whipping point. We saw this purge really start,

00:33:09.920 at least the sort of opening salvos, immediately after the 2024 election. It has ramped up since

00:33:15.560 then. And then I think if the polling numbers I'm seeing from guys like Mark Mitchell, formerly of

00:33:21.100 Rasmussen, if he is correct and he has a pretty good track record and the Republicans do suffer

00:33:26.760 a setback, where does that blame go? Does that blame go to yesteryear's neocons who plunged us

00:33:33.400 into a war of choice and sent gas up to two or three dollars a gallon more than it was before

00:33:39.220 the war? No, no, no. It's not their fault. It's your fault, R. It's my fault. It's the fault of

00:33:45.460 the audience for being too radical, for refusing to support figures that hate you. If you were a

00:33:53.500 better soldier we wouldn't have lost, says the general. And again, I can't necessarily provide

00:34:00.200 you a smoking gun that someone sat down and wrote that plan. But to me, it seems, and this has been

00:34:06.700 demonstrated dozens of times, that conservative leaders care more about being in charge of the

00:34:12.900 conservative movement than they do about securing political victories. And they will rook their own

00:34:18.480 chances at a political win to cut off a rival, to cut off a rival faction. I go back to what I

00:34:25.640 said earlier about when was Trump the most positive or when was he the most positively

00:34:30.040 received? When did he have the best approval ratings? When he was doing all the things

00:34:34.640 that the neocons hated, when we weren't involved in foreign wars, when he was feuding with the

00:34:40.180 judiciary, where he was doing all the things that the good conservatives told us were unconstitutional,

00:34:46.080 We're illegitimate. We're mean. We're wrong. So I refuse to accept that responsibility. One,

00:34:52.100 because I'm not in power. I'm not actually making a decision. So why are you blaming me? I don't

00:34:57.640 have an office. But two, because, well, the Republican Party was way more popular when it

00:35:03.760 was doing things that I liked. And now that it's doing things I didn't like, as you and I both

00:35:08.760 predicted when this turn happened, now they're no longer popular. So I think really, if we're

00:35:15.260 looking at the figures to blame, well, it's figures like Mark Levin, a man who has admitted

00:35:20.840 that he routinely talks to the president, that leaned on him hard to get his fault in Iran,

00:35:25.460 who has routinely been denouncing young white men. These are the men who engineered this crisis.

00:35:31.660 This was a historic political coalition, and it fractured for what? The very things we were

00:35:37.180 promised, the new MAGA version of the GOP wasn't going to do anymore.

00:35:42.280 well and you you called this in a article uh for crownicles magazine the gop samson option which is

00:35:50.520 an allusion to the israeli samson option which is basically their plan to if if you attack us

00:35:56.500 basically everyone goes down with us we're gonna launch every nuke we have uh if if you ever try

00:36:01.760 to eliminate israel israel will eliminate you mutually assured destruction honestly a right

00:36:07.200 true tactic coming out of the Cold War. And it seems like the establishment of the GOP has the

00:36:13.840 same deal. You know, basically, look, we know we're not the future. But if you try to come for us,

00:36:19.540 if you try to turn this party around, if you try to turn this into a actual nationalist party that

00:36:24.600 actually conserves the population and the culture of the United States, we'll blow the whole thing

00:36:29.500 up. We'll take you all down with us. You won't win, but neither will we. And we are more than

00:36:34.900 willing to destroy our electoral chances we're more than willing to halt our domestic agendas

00:36:40.260 not a foreign agenda of course there's no chance that'll end but ultimately we're willing to

00:36:44.680 destroy this even the structures and institutions of the party in order to ensure that these people

00:36:49.980 won't ultimately win and it's an incredible thing to watch because you know i you know i've been

00:36:56.780 saying this for months you've been saying it for months it's been very clear the narrative is

00:37:01.500 already building for blame right like when my buddy steve dace goes out and says i've been

00:37:08.120 talking to the iowa republicans and they're saying that if there are polling internal polling is

00:37:13.660 showing if you're in a plus 10 district 10 plus our district you're in trouble you're within the

00:37:19.840 margin of error if you're with if you're within 15 you're still reachable like he said they said

00:37:25.660 if you're in 10 if you're in a r plus 10 district you're underwater and if you're r plus 15 you're

00:37:31.480 still within the margin of error that's insane like that's insanely bad polling so no matter

00:37:37.720 what people are running around saying they all know that the GOP is probably heading for quite

00:37:42.380 the bruising and so now the only question is who to blame and it's been very clear that they've

00:37:47.920 laid out exactly as you're pointing out like this story about how it's it's Tucker Carlson and the

00:37:53.600 Gripers and random guys on the internet like that we say have no power they're the ones that are

00:37:59.940 going to make us lose it's the voters who wouldn't turn out for vivek ramaswamy after he told them

00:38:05.500 that he hated their culture and their country uh you know they're the guys that ultimately are are

00:38:10.340 the problem and you know if you only you had been a more establishment moderate republican if only

00:38:15.820 you'd been more like lindsey grant then ultimately we could have won this thing right and that's a

00:38:21.460 insane disaster and they'll tell themselves that story they might even be able to purge some of

00:38:25.700 the GOP or redirect some of the GOP for a little while by convincing leadership and institutions

00:38:31.960 that that's the case. But ultimately, they can only fire so many guys like Paul Tinkle, right?

00:38:37.280 Like they can only do this so often and there's there'll be no one left. There'll be no one

00:38:42.980 competent left. It's going to all be like, you know, former porn stars running institutions

00:38:48.680 because there'll be no one of any competence who actually has a conservative bone in their body

00:38:53.280 to make any of this stuff function because they'll gotten rid of them every again everybody under 40

00:38:58.200 knows who did this and why it was done everybody understands unless they are literally paid

00:39:04.200 to not understand why we're losing these midterms and it has nothing to do with the president's

00:39:11.200 tariffs like there's you know people you know jibin shapiro running around and explaining

00:39:15.180 it's the tariffs that are making people angry and not gas prices uh not the war in iran like

00:39:20.640 that amount of gaslighting is just not working at all, which you can see from the disastrous

00:39:26.380 numbers that are coming out of many of these institutions now. That said, there is someone

00:39:31.960 who does actually know how to message on this issue. There is a way that conservatives, members

00:39:38.040 of the GOP, can actually talk about us. In fact, in fact, some of them are actually in the White

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00:40:31.960 Policy of globalization, of shipping,

00:40:34.420 storing jobs, importing cheap foreign labor.

00:40:37.220 Like, I just think you have to level with people that if you're trying to undo 40 years of bad policy, of globalization, of shipping American jobs overseas, it's going to take a little bit of time to fix that.

00:40:48.080 Now, do I think we've made incredible progress? Absolutely.

00:40:51.320 But I think we just have to be honest with people. Look, we're trying to fix what was broken over 40 years.

00:40:56.440 Everything was not going to be fixed in 18 months, but you can't ignore people's concerns.

00:41:00.560 And so, you know, on the one hand, you have the president talking about all the great building that's happening.

00:41:05.500 And you have me sort of acknowledging that it's going to take a long time to rebuild the American middle class.

00:41:11.200 And on the other hand, you have a few tone deaf Republicans who say, shut up if you're pissed off about a twenty two dollar Dorito.

00:41:17.840 Well, my response to those people is no. Listen to people who are upset with the state of the economy.

00:41:24.140 If we don't listen to people, we will turn into the very thing that we hate, the very thing that we ran against, the very thing.

00:41:31.680 It's that simple, man. Like, I don't know why this is so hard.

00:41:34.520 but yeah hey yeah we haven't fixed all the problems yet uh yes we haven't done enough

00:41:40.160 but we have made these big gains and we think that they're worth pointing to and we hear your

00:41:44.920 concerns we're going to continue to work on these things don't insult your voters don't insult the

00:41:50.060 people who are supposed to turn out for you like i don't know like it's it's not that hard but for

00:41:55.440 some reason jd van seems to be the only person out there just delivering the most basic and

00:42:01.260 of reasonable messaging on this issue outside of a few guys like Brandon Gill or Eric Schmidt.

00:42:06.460 Well, a hundred percent. And look, I think everything he said there is correct. I wouldn't

00:42:12.700 necessarily consider that an endorsement of Vance per se. This is common sense stuff. This is block

00:42:19.440 and tackle the sort of one, two combo of politics. It's not rocket science. This is a stunning

00:42:25.740 indictment of the GOP. Because again, this isn't rocket science. This is simple stuff.

00:42:31.820 And I think one thing we have to understand is that by virtue of the fact that you're listening

00:42:36.880 to this, you are not a standard person. You're pretty far down the rabbit hole. You care about

00:42:42.580 politics more than most. Most people are not ideological. Most people have a problem they

00:42:49.920 want fixed. It's largely vibes-based. And you have seen the softening of sentiment towards

00:42:56.460 things like socialism. Look at the career of Zorhan Mamdani, a guy who I don't think should

00:43:02.620 be allowed in the country, but you know what? He is. He's the mayor of New York. And he's

00:43:06.900 incredibly popular, more popular than when he was elected. And why is he popular? Because he's

00:43:12.440 doing things that make sense on a balance sheet, because he's doing things that are particularly

00:43:16.900 wise. No, not at all. In all likelihood, this will plunge New York city into sort of an eighties

00:43:22.960 esque sort of crash, right? It's happened before. It seems likely to happen again,

00:43:27.460 but that doesn't matter for him. He still gets to be in power, right? He still gets to be

00:43:33.360 incredibly popular because he does things like, I don't know, have a free raffle for Broadway show

00:43:40.140 tickets. Okay, is that a waste of taxpayer money? 100%. Is giving out free childcare one or two

00:43:47.120 nights a year a waste of money? Yeah, probably. But for people, it feels as if they're actually

00:43:54.800 getting something out of politics. Their concerns about the economy are being listened to. And if

00:44:00.460 you look at Poland national level, New York Times did a really interesting piece talking about this

00:44:05.580 rising populist tide in America on both the left and right, where they found out that issues like

00:44:11.400 capping usury on credit cards or limiting the prices of consumer drugs were popular across

00:44:17.960 the aisle. And look, what does that mean? Does that mean you have to be a democratic socialist

00:44:23.360 to win in America? Not at all. It means that you have to be seen to be doing something. You have

00:44:29.400 have seen to be answering people's problems. And Vance's point about the $22 burrito is completely

00:44:36.100 and totally legitimate. Regardless of why things are very expensive, the reasoning, it's pretty

00:44:42.980 clear. We know why things have gotten dramatically more expensive after, I don't know, the straight

00:44:47.180 of whore moves closed. But regardless of why, the answer, you're stupid, you're dumb, you don't know

00:44:53.500 how to cook is a really bad message, especially when you are trying to get someone to do something

00:45:00.140 inconvenient on your behalf. Like voting for a lot of people is not something you're looking

00:45:05.480 forward to doing. It's like, ah, shoot, I probably should. It's the right thing to do.

00:45:09.820 You know, I don't want some bad thing to happen. But if it becomes, hey, you're stupid. You're an

00:45:15.020 idiot. I hate you. Shut up. Also, hey, can you can you like take some time off work to fill out

00:45:19.960 some paperwork for me like why do you think that's going to work well and it's incredible

00:45:24.820 because yeah that's like the worst version of the messaging but even the mildest version of it has

00:45:29.080 been bad so obviously and look i ultimately agree you can't let democrats get in power like they are

00:45:34.240 a disaster that said the messaging i've seen is oh well i put a gas cost me an extra dollar i guess

00:45:41.380 i'll just vote in communists i guess i'll just vote for the transing of the kids and first like

00:45:46.580 that's so deeply disingenuous that it just turns people off but second when i hear that from people

00:45:52.580 and i'm look i'm gonna go vote republican uh in in november but when i hear that from people

00:45:58.480 honestly i immediately just want to say you know what screw you i'm not gonna go i'm not gonna go

00:46:03.820 just because you are so vile towards me right like as if i have chosen socialism because you

00:46:09.820 made an obvious stupid and disastrous mistake and it's hurting me personally right like as if as if

00:46:17.960 you have failed them somehow in not being able to pay an extra two dollars per gas every single

00:46:25.220 gallon because like ultimately you know that that's some great betrayal of the conservative

00:46:30.620 movement because well you know we just had to make sure that israel had lebanon like this is

00:46:34.920 is so personally insulting to people and so demoralizing and so now basically the republican

00:46:41.820 voter is based with a humility is faced with a humiliation ritual right it could have been

00:46:46.660 vance's messaging look we need more time this takes time we got to do more of this stuff again

00:46:51.280 some people don't like jd vance that's fine my point is the messaging is correct right we have

00:46:56.800 made uh we have made achievements we have covered ground we have improved things however we know

00:47:01.720 it's not enough we need more time to do it please stick with us through this even if you don't agree

00:47:06.200 with some of the decisions we made it's going to be better for you on the other side like that's

00:47:10.040 the basic messaging it's going to be better for you is the most basic messaging of all politics

00:47:14.860 and republicans refuse to do it they will only insult their voter they only say oh well you're

00:47:20.500 not voting for two dollars more a gallon gas guess you're a communist guess you want to see your kids

00:47:25.420 trans guess you want to see the entire country like this is just you're insulting your voters

00:47:30.860 coming and going in every direction and then you're going to insult all the people who warned

00:47:35.120 you about this you know whole thing being a disaster and try to get them purged from the

00:47:39.860 party and again the messaging is really basic i'm just going to play these jd vance clips because

00:47:44.580 again however you feel about jd vance imagine a vice president talking about anti-white discrimination

00:47:50.800 five years ago much less 15 years ago somewhere peter brimelow is just like lost his mind because

00:47:57.960 the literal vice president of the united states is saying anti-white discrimination when you would

00:48:02.700 have been fired from any conservative institution 10 years ago for even mentioning something like

00:48:07.140 who would just look at the way it's changed a whole lot um for a long time for the worse and

00:48:13.340 now for the better is that we institutionalized anti-white anti-male discrimination in this

00:48:19.660 country i mean if you just look at the way that we spoke about white men in the united states of

00:48:24.580 america not me obviously not the president but like joe biden like it's actually amazing you

00:48:30.640 did call him a bunch of hillbillies saying no i said i'm a hillbilly i'm proud of that man right

00:48:38.140 and and yeah like the hillbillies are a part of the coalition but we're a proud part of the

00:48:42.160 coalition i don't think we we don't we don't shy away from that term but look man you you

00:48:46.780 institutionalized for a very long time a way of talking about our fellow americans that was

00:48:53.020 totally disgusting and i was actually talking with a friend of mine about again really simple

00:48:58.600 nothing profound like you said basic basic block and tackling when it comes to politics again you

00:49:05.060 know same thing here with hb1 or h1b here's the thing about h1bs so you know like my belief on

00:49:11.420 this is the h1b program has been totally taken advantage of not just by technology companies

00:49:16.880 by accounting firms, by people who are basically defrauding the American worker.

00:49:22.080 Like, if you want to say, oh, I'd like to bring a genius into the United States of America,

00:49:27.760 you can have that conversation.

00:49:29.440 But if you're going to bring in an accountant making $45,000 a year

00:49:32.740 to replace an accountant who's an American making $60,000 a year,

00:49:37.140 that's not you using the program to bring in a genius.

00:49:40.620 That's you destroying American jobs and defrauding the American people.

00:49:44.800 We've done more, and I know people are frustrated about this,

00:49:47.880 but we've done more on the H-1B visa than any administration in history.

00:49:51.620 About a year ago, the president, Stephen Miller, and I,

00:49:54.440 we came up with this idea where, well, Congress was not going to reform the H-1B program

00:49:59.520 because, unfortunately, a lot of people were bought by the chief labor lobby.

00:50:03.200 But we did come out and say, if you want to apply for an H-1B,

00:50:07.600 you have to submit a $100,000 fee.

00:50:10.480 And the thinking there was, if you're like just trying to replace an American accountant with a cheaper foreign accountant, then you're not going to pay $100,000.

00:50:18.520 That's a lot of money.

00:50:19.660 But the idea, in other words, was to protect, use that fee as a kind of gateway in order to ensure that people actually were using the program for what it was intended for.

00:50:29.820 Like my view is the H-1B program is completely broken, and I'd be very supportive of just eliminating it.

00:50:36.440 But while we have it, what we have to do is protect American workers.

00:50:40.660 So real simple.

00:50:42.180 We want to get rid of H-1Bs.

00:50:43.880 We can't right now.

00:50:44.580 We don't have the votes.

00:50:45.620 But while we have the program, we're going to do everything we can to block foreign workers

00:50:49.860 from replacing Americans.

00:50:51.360 Again, I'd like to see more done on that issue.

00:50:53.480 You can have whatever feeling you want about J.D. Vance.

00:50:57.140 This is how Republicans should be messaging.

00:50:59.760 This is the words that should be coming out of every mouth in the Republican Party.

00:51:03.800 It's not hard.

00:51:04.600 It's not rocket science.

00:51:05.600 this is not some kind of Machiavellian esoteric messaging this is the most simple basic represent

00:51:12.480 the people who support you messaging available and for some reason the vast majority of the GOP

00:51:18.400 just refuses to do it and I think this is why you see much so much hatred for Vance over this

00:51:23.320 this is the kind of thing they just want to purge from the Republican Party they don't want anyone

00:51:26.720 ever talk like this to young white men they just it drives them insane yeah and this is the thing

00:51:33.900 that's so frustrating about it. Aaron, you and I kind of took it on the chin individually for

00:51:39.580 being doomers, for truning out, for predicting these decisions would have negative consequences.

00:51:46.540 And so now that we're starting to see the initial rumblings of these negative consequences,

00:51:50.840 I'm not happy about that. The country would be better on aggregate under Republican rule,

00:51:57.500 the Democrat. But you and I didn't make those bad decisions. The whole time we were saying,

00:52:04.500 get out of Iran, stop this war, whatever you've got to do, stop going after your own guys,

00:52:12.280 because that will produce a blowback. Does that mean I think it's good? I think it's better for

00:52:19.140 us to go through a period of democratic control of the legislature? No. I am motivated primarily,

00:52:25.380 first and foremost, by concern for the nation. I think that I live here. I want it to be better

00:52:30.400 because it's what made me. I owe something to this nation. And so these criticisms, albeit sort of

00:52:36.660 directed at our side, conservative America, are not motivated out of some sort of hatred.

00:52:43.080 It's exactly the opposite. It's that these mistakes were incredibly easy to identify.

00:52:48.300 I don't want to speak for you, Aaron, but I don't exactly have 140 IQ here. It's not like I was like

00:52:55.500 Rain Man plotting it out. If you do this, this will happen. These were easily identifiable

00:53:00.180 consequences of the action. It's the sort of, if you step on the rake, the handle might hit you in

00:53:05.860 the face, sort of Looney Tunes physics, right? It's not rocket science. And so to see the chickens

00:53:12.120 begin to come home to roost and then in turn be blamed is incredibly frustrating because again,

00:53:17.680 what J.D. Vance just showed you is not super high-end. It's not a novel way to approach

00:53:24.620 politics. It is, I hear your concerns, we're working on it, which is basically what every

00:53:32.180 guy ever working on a project has said to his boss, said to his wife, said to anyone.

00:53:37.380 It's a very basic response. And that's what's so frustrating about this, is all of these decisions

00:53:43.720 were active decisions. It's not like Iran hit a U.S. military base in Hawaii overnight or plunged

00:53:51.700 into war all of a sudden. It's not like a plane hit the Twin Towers, and for some reason, a year

00:53:57.380 and a half later, we're attacking a separate country. It's not like that sort of situation.

00:54:01.380 We decided to do this. We said, yeah, we're going to take a gamble there. We decided that it was

00:54:06.960 more important to have a Republican Party that looked like the United Colors of Bennington

00:54:10.780 than it did to look like our voters. We thought it was more important to put Vivek Ramashwamy,

00:54:15.620 a guy who seems to have a burning, resentful hatred for all the cool kids at his high school

00:54:20.000 in Ohio and for the Christian faith, into a state that he should have won or should be winning.

00:54:26.800 And now he's deeply underwater. Those were all active decisions. You weren't forced to do that.

00:54:32.140 There wasn't a gun to your head when those decisions were made. And so now those bad

00:54:37.840 decisions were made. We're seeing the very foreseeable consequences. And yet somehow

00:54:43.140 the person to blame is not the people who made decisions. It's the guy standing there saying,

00:54:48.040 hey, don't make that decision. It's not like by predicting that we wish these bad eventualities

00:54:54.280 into existence. If I see you reaching for your keys after a few beers, if I say, hey, don't do

00:55:00.680 that, you're going to crash. I am not putting a curse on you to get in a car crash. I am making

00:55:06.500 an educated guess yeah it truly is incredible it's like the secret for political losses right

00:55:13.040 like you're just manifesting it by pointing out the problems it's like you're on the titanic and

00:55:18.600 you're screaming at the guy who's standing at the wheel hey you got to turn this thing around man

00:55:23.360 there's an iceberg out there and he's like shut up you know don't don't be a panic and don't

00:55:27.840 you're like no man we can see the iceberg we know what happens when ships hit icebergs you don't

00:55:33.100 want to keep going this direction look we have to stay loyal to this direction we don't don't you

00:55:38.240 dare point out that this could be a problem it's because you're pointing out that we might run into

00:55:42.720 something that if we run into something it will be your fault no man like we can all see the obvious

00:55:47.600 iceberg all you have to do is turn the wheel no we have committed to this direction and anyone who

00:55:53.260 questions it boom hit the iceberg turns around why'd you put the iceberg there right like that

00:55:57.760 that is the scenario we are in like you you have manifested this loss by doubting the plan that was

00:56:04.880 basically to blow up the gop before midterms and because you notice that the plan was a disaster

00:56:10.980 and pointed out over and over again you are singularly responsible you're the one who's

00:56:15.520 stopping people from turning out to the polls not the massively higher gas prices not the

00:56:19.900 unpopular war not the botched epstein reveal not the fact that you have failed to address

00:56:25.300 of affordability not the fact you've not delivered on mass deportations none of that is the problem

00:56:30.480 and pointing it out is the problem how dare you point it out it's just it's all so tiring like

00:56:37.400 that's that's really all that's left to say about it and we all know how this is going to go like

00:56:41.480 the the discourse is entirely predictable at this point as you and i have laid out we know exactly

00:56:46.440 who these people are we know exactly who they're going to blame we know who they're going to try

00:56:50.000 to purge like everybody can see it and so i guess at this point the only thing left to do is to just

00:56:56.480 the only way out is through in this case right the point is these people are losing they are failing

00:57:02.960 this is not going to work uh and despite the gop's like dedication to insulting young white men

00:57:10.400 it turns out that actually that's probably going to be the future of the country these are the

00:57:15.460 people who are going to build and maintain what comes next, no matter how hard the GOP and every

00:57:20.760 other organization out there in the entire country is pushing back against them. And again, I don't

00:57:26.920 want to tar the entire GOP with this brush. There are plenty of good people working in the GOP who

00:57:33.960 get this. You and I know these guys. We know guys in the administration. We know guys who are staffers

00:57:39.300 and senators and congressmen's offices we know people who are running uh you know state gop

00:57:45.000 offices and making important changes this is why with all my frustrations over the gop i still say

00:57:51.680 repeatedly the gop is the only vehicle we have for a nationalist political movement on the right

00:57:56.580 and so whatever happens is going to happen inside the gop even though it's a disaster

00:58:01.140 the point is take it over and run it don't sit there and just cry about it but again when guys

00:58:06.800 like Peter Tinkle go out there and try to make a difference they're still facing absolute

00:58:11.960 discrimination attempts to purge them this kind of thing and so I just think it doesn't serve

00:58:16.880 anyone to pretend this isn't happening I get it I don't want the Democrats to win either

00:58:21.220 I understand I am telling people oppose the Democrats don't let them hold power that is

00:58:28.360 what I am saying very directly in case anyone wants to take any of this out of context

00:58:32.420 but it is a disaster to sit here and pretend that the republican party is doing okay and if we just

00:58:39.080 clap hard enough tinkerbell will come back to life like sorry but these are the political realities

00:58:43.100 on the ground you made them cause and effect is showing us exactly the results of your type

00:58:48.800 of conservatism and as always it will conserve nothing it will lead to disaster it will lead

00:58:54.100 to losses i don't want to lose i want to win and that's why i'm going to continue to deliver

00:58:58.600 correct political analysis no matter how angry anyone gets me i had a lot of people oh you wrote

00:59:04.320 an article about how vivek is a bad candidate you must want a socialist to win in uh in uh

00:59:10.800 iowa right because if you notice a problem with vivek as a candidate you're an enemy when you've

00:59:16.740 gotten to that point you're just a shell you're just a shell you're a shameless shell okay it's

00:59:22.580 okay to say don't go out and vote for democrats but telling people to shut up about obvious

00:59:26.800 political disasters because accurate political analysis is a danger to your constructed reality

00:59:32.880 inside your little online bubble, sorry, like I'm not doing that for you. And if you think that's my

00:59:38.960 job, then you should go do that. And we'll see who wins this one out. Because ultimately, this is a

00:59:44.480 disastrous play and it has to stop. The GOP has to learn its lesson or we have to make it learn

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01:00:26.520 All right, guys,

01:00:27.380 going to head over to the questions

01:00:28.820 of the people here real quick.

01:00:30.400 Before we do, Mr. Burden,

01:00:31.680 where should people find your excellent show?

01:00:34.620 Yeah, Aaron, thank you so much for having me on.

01:00:36.420 So you can find me on the Jay Burden Show,

01:00:38.340 Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

01:00:39.680 anywhere you listen to podcasts.

01:00:41.480 It's been a little while since I had Aaron on.

01:00:43.440 We've done a number of great episodes together,

01:00:45.440 including one doing a deep dive on education.

01:00:48.320 So if you want to hear teacher horror stories

01:00:50.500 from Uncle Aaron,

01:00:51.520 that's the place to go yep uncle tell you about uh the the uh wonders of diversity in the public

01:00:57.760 school system it's a it's a wild ride actually i've found out that i'm an unc now too so i think

01:01:05.000 we're both just united in uncood uh i i okay well then i'm grand unc i guess because i've got you

01:01:11.120 i've still got you by like a good 12 or 15 years or something ridiculous but yeah uh i do appreciate

01:01:16.600 that now the people who make me feel old feel old so you know that that that's a that's a real help

01:01:22.140 thanks it comes for us all man it sure does all right bobby bob the nabob says enjoyed the oregon

01:01:29.920 event or and you need to teach these kids about fine whiskey yeah i was i spoke at the uh wisconsin

01:01:36.140 event uh for the old glory club that was a fantastic event i know there was also the one

01:01:40.700 in oregon they invited me that one but i i couldn't make it out there's too much going on

01:01:44.120 But I'm sure it was great. And as always, you know, drink better bourbon, you know, educate yourself. Very important. Let's see here. Graham Zwingle says the GOP has a happy wife, happy life, cuck energy. Man, is that true? Man, is that true?

01:02:00.240 uh nikes says the regime uh tm there uh realizes that uh lindsey clancy fallout was a catastrophe

01:02:08.080 a catastrophic look for feminism and the believe uh women movement so that's why you're hearing

01:02:14.980 about the fake cornell controversy so i have not educated myself on this it's been on the timeline

01:02:21.460 uh i from what i can tell there was basically the accusations of some kind of gang uh well i guess

01:02:29.100 i'll be careful for youtube uh gang sexual violation uh and uh so uh i guess more information

01:02:37.560 again i don't know anything about this i'm not making any definitive claims in either direction

01:02:41.980 but apparently it came out that at least a large number of these partners were consensual

01:02:47.880 uh and maybe one or two people had joined in once enough drugs had been consumed and that's what

01:02:52.880 happened i don't know all of the details i do know that a lot of major conservative figures

01:02:57.180 are dunking on it so i'm sure there's an episode out there where you can get caught off it i don't

01:03:00.620 know jay do you do you have any more information on this than i do uh no uh somewhat deliberately

01:03:06.780 uh this seems to be sort of mattress girl for a new era yeah none of the details but it's the

01:03:13.020 same storyline run again uh now obviously i know nothing about the actual specific events

01:03:20.460 so it is entirely possible that this woman is the victim of a crime in which case you know

01:03:25.580 There are appropriate biblical punishments for sexual crimes. But that being said, given who is reporting this and the tone they're reporting it in, I think like you are and I am skeptical and largely uninterested.

01:03:42.020 well this is also a perfect october surprise to try to get you know young women on side with the

01:03:49.960 democrats right make sure that they turn out yeah don't worry the the evil republicans are out there

01:03:54.500 making sure you're going to get sexually assaulted on college campuses again uh that the timing is an

01:03:59.140 interesting one but yeah we are in a scenario where uh you know canceling people for okay

01:04:03.720 hand signs and mattress girl like what year is this you know robin williams meme time is a flat

01:04:09.240 circle right exactly right we have to we have to recycle all of our uh you know uh 2009 uh events

01:04:17.340 here uh jacob zindel says uh should the right push to abolish the war powers act so the president

01:04:24.920 can no longer unilaterally start wars i mean right after we get done with repealing the 17th and 19th

01:04:31.960 amendment i guess like i hear you yeah like that makes perfect sense uh we should return the the

01:04:37.600 right to declare war back to congress if we care at all about actual constitutional conservatism

01:04:43.880 but of course we don't that's why you're never going to hear again you know the joel barry's

01:04:48.360 or the eric erickson's or james lindsey's talk about the importance of repealing the war hours

01:04:52.880 act because they don't give a crap about the constitution doesn't mean anything to them

01:04:56.200 and so yeah that is the war powers act uh ultimately uh you know a scenario that makes

01:05:01.280 it far too easy to go to war and therefore is easily abused sure but we haven't declared war

01:05:06.080 since world war ii the political visibility of this is far below something like passing the

01:05:10.840 save act and we can't pass it so in principle yes i agree that that should happen in practice

01:05:15.660 you know there's zero chance that we have much more important things to spend our political capital

01:05:20.400 on bram zwingle says uh i'm just tired of taking it on the chin we all are man again you know this

01:05:28.420 is why i'm not doing the sit down and shut up because we have to elect people routine again

01:05:33.360 totally oppose democrats totally think they have to be you know driven from power uh but i'm not

01:05:40.080 going to tell people to keep going through humiliation rituals for people who hate them

01:05:43.220 uh i'm sorry like just because you happen to have an r next to your name while you hate me

01:05:47.140 doesn't mean that ultimately you're on my team uh and so if you're going to run out and tell

01:05:51.620 people constantly well sorry but you just have to take it because the republicans have to win

01:05:55.640 this one again that's why they elected trump people elected trump so they didn't have to do

01:05:59.960 this anymore so we didn't have to deal with the anti-white stuff so we didn't have to deal with

01:06:03.420 the anti-men stuff so we didn't have to deal with anti-christian stuff that's why they voted for

01:06:09.540 trump so you can't tell them now you have to vote for people who believe in all of that stuff who

01:06:14.100 believe in the anti-whiteism who believe in hating on young men who believe that you know it's okay

01:06:19.240 to have a literal pagan in office while calling christian fathers pagan because they disagree

01:06:24.940 with you on immigration policy like that people are just not going to believe that anymore and

01:06:30.260 i'm not i i i'm not going to rob people of their dignity by continuing to lie to people about stuff

01:06:35.060 like that it's just insane sean wyland said a great episode with a great guest ah the beaver

01:06:41.040 gang has yet again arrived to support mr burden latrina bidet with uh the best uh screen name in

01:06:51.220 all of commenting says uh question if you had been uh if you had been cucked or in your entire life

01:06:56.820 by nothing by do nothing via gop controlled opposition psyop would you realize it i mean

01:07:03.620 obviously this is why many people say the republican party has to be destroyed now when

01:07:07.620 that gets said obviously we're not going to actually destroy the republican party it's going

01:07:11.780 to be a vehicle for a different type of politics uh but it's very clear that the act the republican

01:07:16.900 party as it exists uh is just not fit for purpose and the vast majority of it has to be replaced

01:07:22.660 with true patriots which is exactly what you should be doing you should be organizing if

01:07:26.900 you're sitting around saying what can i do what does it matter uh join local chapters of

01:07:30.820 organizations like exit or the you know the ogc get out there organize uh get involved in your

01:07:36.940 republican party take it over find like-minded people put them in positions of power be the

01:07:42.300 organized majority that takes over the unorganized majority. You can do it.

01:07:48.640 Base Tellability says, I like J.D. Vance. He represents me. Yep. Again, I know there are a

01:07:53.500 lot of people skeptical J.D. Vance. That's fine. I'm not asking anybody to pledge their,

01:07:57.100 you know, their, their sacred honors here, but I do think J.D. Vance is a great candidate. I do

01:08:01.220 think that he messages in a way that other people don't, even if it seems kind of basic,

01:08:05.160 the fact that he and very few others are willing to engage in even the most basic

01:08:09.380 competent messaging does matter and then sinestro 29 says it's interesting and worrying that it

01:08:16.020 seems like there's a significant amount of white people that seem to hate their own regardless of

01:08:20.260 their politics well it's literally our national religion so a lot of people think they're being

01:08:24.440 good people by being anti-white there's really no other way to you know escape that fact uh they've

01:08:30.400 been told that anti-white uh discrimination is what it is to be moral and so they are more than

01:08:35.620 willing to hurt and injure people who they should be protecting because ultimately they feel like

01:08:41.000 that makes them a better person than you they even some people even think that makes them a

01:08:44.240 better christian uh which is insane and and you know exactly against uh christianity but many

01:08:50.300 many people including you know people who you probably think otherwise are great have convinced

01:08:54.680 themselves that that is the real situation and we just we have to fight it at every corner and

01:08:58.860 that's again why you can't be silent about this stuff i don't care what anybody tells you you

01:09:02.640 cannot shut up about this you cannot sit on it and pretend like oh it'll just get better after

01:09:07.080 midterms or something you have to you have to oppose this stuff and you have to oppose it

01:09:10.600 forcefully and i think the fact that guys like jd vance recognize this means that hey you can

01:09:15.320 be loyal to the administration and still point out anti-white discrimination and its deleterious

01:09:20.340 effects on people in general and specifically the actions of the republican party all right guys

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - October 02, 2026

Why the GOP Is Attacking Young White Men ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 10⧸2⧸26

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